/christian/ - christian

Discussion of Christianity, the Church, and theology


New Thread[×]
Name
Email
Subject
Message*
Files* Max 5 files32MB total
Tegaki
Password
Captcha*Select the solid/filled icons
[New Thread]


John 3:16 KJV: For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.


OIP-2291376661.qCAIrG9uzS-_jPBQwcVbZwHaHS.jpg
[Hide] (41.6KB, 474x466)
Recently I've been thinking about the nature of psychology and Christianity despite psychology often being related to secular or occult ideas (Carl Jung, a famous psychologist was often inspired by ideas related to Gnosticism and "spirit guides" he would let take over him). I think this is why a lot of Christians seem resistant to psychology but I believe it might have merit with some ideas, and some ideas might even be very beneficial for Christians. I've recently been interested in the idea of the subconscious and trauma stored in the body. The idea that everything that happens to people are stored inside of the body and/or subconscious strikes me as supporting the idea that everything that happens to us is for a reason, i.e God's plan for us. I imagine when we meet Him and see ourselves in our new perfect bodies, we will see everything that would be too painful to bear consciously in a new light. 

Sin, trauma, and spiritual oppression seem related in some ways too but I'm not quite sure how to elaborate on this very well. What do you guys think?
Replies: >>27823 >>27828
>>27817 (OP) 
< Carl Jung, a famous psychologist was often inspired by ideas related to Gnosticism and "spirit guides" he would let take over him

Are you serious? This is going to be something I bring up in conversation with people a lot, Anon, do you have a source by chance?
Replies: >>27830
51lE7qrp27L._SL1050_.jpg
[Hide] (52.5KB, 703x1050)
61+lKbWe-ML.jpg
[Hide] (69.1KB, 328x500)
91QZMSwttLL._SL1500_.jpg
[Hide] (162.5KB, 1019x1500)
61AugVioiQL.jpg
[Hide] (68.6KB, 342x500)
>>27817 (OP) 
As someone that is studying to go into a psychiatry related field, I know that some Christians are rightfully weary of secular psychology. Secular psychology is an inversion of Christian understanding of human nature. Secular psychology and psychiatry can only frame the person from a materialistic view. The Orthodox tradition has a far more holistic view, and if you are interested, I recommend the following books if you are a book nerd such as myself. I would start with Orthodox Psychotherapy as the initial read. It is a bit dense though.
Replies: >>27830
>>27823
Yes, this link has a lot of information about MBTI in particular (of which his theories inspired) and his "spirit guide" was named Philemon.
https://www.intjs.org/mbti-occult-ties-exposed/
I looked up "Philemon" too and this came up: https://philemonfoundation.org/about-philemon/who-is-philemon/
>>27828
Thank you! This seems like a good and informative approach so far and I will finish reading it tomorrow.
My opinion of psychology is that properly the term refers to the descriptive study of human behavior. So in and of itself, it could not be illegitimate, in fact every one of us is engaging in psychology when we impute motivations to another person. However, the state of modern psychology is obviously ungodly and illegitimate, not so much because it is psychology, but because it is thoroughly secular. If you read modern psychology papers they are absolutely marinated in the secular worldview and it is the influence of their secular presuppositions which causes their obscene beliefs and behaviors eg sanctifying drag queen story hour and other crimes. Normally you get the impression they are unaware any alternative even exists and take their presuppositions completely for granted, revealing a lack of self-awareness and leading to a tendency to arrogantly think they are merely correct and no rational argument could exist (ironically, it is the secularists who blindly follow established dogma). They also have a tendency to arrogantly exclude themselves from their own theories, reinforcing their misplaced faith in their own ideas and lending towards their confusion of their own field with ethics (which is the prescriptive study of human behavior; whenever you hear a psychologist saying we have a "duty" to do this or that, or that we "must" do this or that, i.e. to accept unrepentant homosexuals, you are hearing such a confused psychologist). These are a few of the fundamental error
Message too long. View the full text

akko_shocked.gif
[Hide] (1.2MB, 500x281)
The Majority Standard Bible - MSB (www.MajorityBible.com) © 2023 by Bible Hub and Berean.Bible.
https://biblehub.com/msb/matthew/1.htm

The MSB is the 'Byzantine Majority Text version of the BSB,' including the BSB OT plus the NT translated according to the 'Robinson-Pierpont Byzantine Majority Text' (byzantinetext.com).

The MSB includes footnotes for translatable variants from the modern Critical Texts (CT) such as the Nestle Aland GNT, SBL GNT, and Editio Critica Maior.

Major variants between the Majority Text (MT) and Textus Receptus (TR) are also noted. For a few passages not included in the MT, the TR translation is denoted with [[brackets]] and also footnoted.

This text is a first version draft and is open to public comment and translation recommendations. please send all corrections and recommendations to the Berean Bible Translation Committee through the contact page at Berean.Bible.
46 replies and 3 files omitted. View the full thread
>>27882
>Your move, heretic.
It is a heresy to suggest that salvation comes through a specific biblical translation. Salvation comes from following Christ, doing what He asks of us, and living a life of repentance. This can be accomplished even without ever reading the Bible. If you have a particular translation you like, good, read it. But do not come around here condemning others with your heretical beliefs.
>>27884
>Yeshua, the Messiah, taught obedience to his Father's commandments, you don't get to eat pork, break the Sabbath, and do pagan idolatry now.
Jesus kept the Mosaic law in order to be a flawless, perfect sin offering on our behalf. While the New Testament admonishes us to keep ourselves from idols, there's nothing similar regarding pork or the Sabbath. The Mosaic law was given to a specific people group: the Jews. It was not given to the gentiles. Abraham married his half-sister in violation of Leviticus 18:9, yet Abraham is called a friend of God. You will say that the law didn't exist yet when Abraham was alive. This is because the law is not eternal.
>"But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster." Galatians 3:23-25
>>27884
It would be helpful if you would not cherry-pick scripture without understanding the context. Also, your interpretation regarding paganism and idolatry hinders the exegesis you are attempting to put forward. The onus is on you to show how God hates His people kissing His image and His saints. That is your claim. As for God hating the kissing of pagan gods, absolutely, and nowhere is that done. We already know that God allows images to be depicted, because the Temple itself was full of realistic depictions, and the earliest Churches and Synagogues had images, so obviously it can't be that. Perhaps think on it a bit more, and you will understand what God is really upset with. This post might give you a hint >>26911. 

As for Sunday, the Church, as the continuation of the 2nd Temple Israelite religion, turned the focus upon Christ as it should be, and began commemorating the resurrection of Christ on Sunday. It doesn't mean that Saturday is no longer the Sabbath; in fact, it still is with many Orthodox communities serving Divine Liturgy on both days, but the greater focus is on Christ and the Resurrection now. You should already know this, I mean, it is mentioned in the New Testament, in Acts 20:7. This isn't a new thing. 

As for holidays, they have been taken and sanctified. That is what we as Christians are supposed to do with creation. So, no apologies for establishing our dominion to celebrate our Lord on a previous pagan holiday. If you have beef with the secular decay of Easter and Christmas, take it up with the atheists, but traditional Christian Paschal and Nativity services are far from pagan celebrations. I can tell that you are entirely unfamiliar with them. These videos should help edify you. 
Christmas is not Pagan (Scripture)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ca_Yx3aMCiE
Christmas is not Pagan (History)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfcvJWPTY64
Easter is not Pagan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IffNsK_fdoY
Halloween is not Pagan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fu-5BmAzbrU
Valentine's Day is not Pagan
Message too long. View the full text
Replies: >>27895
Reminder that protestantism is heresy and you should read the full bible not that crap of the NKJV. I suggest the Bible of Jerusalem that was what people of the clergy who studied theology used back in the day, or the bible of Navarre. 
Good afternoons.
>>27884
You are a genuine judaizer, and it is very unfortunate this necessary message comes with such errors. 
1. The Christian Sabbath is not the 7th but the 1st day of the week. I will disregard all allusions to "sun worship" because it is merely absurd. Your criticisms in that respect could equally apply to the apostles, whom we see met and worshipped on the Lord's Day (Acts 20:7, 1 Corinthians 16:2, Revelation 1:10). God is Lord of the Sabbath and has the right to move it to whatever day He desires. The 4th commandment does not mention the seventh day of the week, but the seventh after six days of labor, which would be true of any day of the week. The ancient fathers called the Lord's Day the eighth day of the week, because on this day the Lord completed the new creation and rested at the right hand of God. The Reformed churches keep the Sabbath but we do so on the day which God has appointed under the new covenant to which alone we are bound.
2. All dietary laws were ceremonial laws attached to the Mosaic and Noahic dispensations of the covenant, respectively. These ceremonies were types and figures of Christ and were abrogated in Him, whom we no longer know under a shadow (see Acts 10:10-15). This distinction is not a novel invention of Christian theology nor an attempt to pick and choose from the law, it is in fact retained even by the Jews of today, whose rabbis say no gentile is required to keep 
Message too long. View the full text

Vitamin_K.webm
[Hide] (1.4MB, 1280x720, 00:11)
Post Christian video clips. Hymns, sermons, memes, or anything else you find is allowed as long as it's /christian/-appropriate.
196 replies and 226 files omitted. View the full thread
>>27801
>projection
I will pray for you, anon

So that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
""Philippians 2:10-11
Speakers_Corner_-_Bob_Hugging_Tariq_After_Hearing_Him_Say_He_Is_Christian_Now.mp4
[Hide] (12.7MB, 854x480, 02:57)
500_Crusaders_DEFEATED_40,000_Ottomans_in_1565....mp4
[Hide] (27.9MB, 854x480, 11:35)
Bro_Pre-leased_his_spot_in_Heaven_😂_#funny_#trending_#memes_#viral_#love_#funnyvideos_#subscribe.mp4
[Hide] (2.4MB, 480x854, 00:48)
The_Forgotten_Logic_of_Christianity_Explained_in_3_Minutes.mp4
[Hide] (5.5MB, 854x480, 03:39)

Jesus_fren.jpg
[Hide] (156.2KB, 1200x1439)
Please don't let this one die.
443 replies and 486 files omitted. View the full thread
>>27852
DARK SIDED
I have to go back and watch that episode now lmao
1760276149168.webp
[Hide] (46.9KB, 736x1067)
VID_20251013_182956_295.mp4
[Hide] (2.9MB, 800x720, 00:09)
IMG_1157.webp
[Hide] (504.7KB, 1115x847)
VID_20250923_020142_463.mp4
[Hide] (8.4MB, 480x854, 00:33)
EvenIfOnlyYou.mp4
[Hide] (5.5MB, 720x1280, 00:15)
Reformers_Visit_America_😂✝️.mp4
[Hide] (754.2KB, 470x854, 00:10)
Reformers_Find_Orthodoxy🙏_☦️.mp4
[Hide] (774.7KB, 470x854, 00:10)
redditor_religious_trauma.mp4
[Hide] (1.4MB, 480x640, 00:15)
services-instagram-post-DP9tDPHj3KE-0.mp4
[Hide] (2.1MB, 720x1280, 00:15)
VID_20251019_093129_642.mp4
[Hide] (6.1MB, 480x854, 00:24)

ClipboardImage.png
[Hide] (433.2KB, 830x468)
>And they worshiped the dragon, for he had given his authority to the beast, and they worshiped the beast, saying, “Who is like the beast, and who can fight against it?” (Revelation 13:4, ESV)

TOKYO: An upstart Japanese political party said on Tuesday (Sep 16) it will install an artificial intelligence as leader after its maverick founder quit following a disastrous showing in recent elections.

The Path to Rebirth party, which was launched in January by Shinji Ishimaru, a former mayor of a small city in western Japan, does not have a policy platform and its members are free to set their own agendas.

Ishimaru unexpectedly came second in the 2024 Tokyo gubernatorial election thanks to a successful online campaign, but he quit the party after it failed to pick up any seats in this year's upper house elections.

"The new leader will be AI," Koki Okumura, a doctoral student of AI research who described himself as an assistant to the new leader, told a news conference.

https://web.archive.org/web/20250917160053/https://www.channelnewsasia.com/east-asia/japan-path-rebirth-political-party-ai-leader-5351881
2 replies omitted. View the full thread
Replies: >>27797 + 1 earlier
>>27777
It is already assumed to be hacked a priori. But going offline is on another level.
Man's obsession with AI has given me a hunch this year that the beast which is, and is not, and yet is, shall be a lifelike robot with an AI. It shall be wounded to death in the head, and then "resurrected" with repairs. It will be enough to convince the simpletons which shall be in those days of a genuine miracle. And news like this makes me feel like I am not too far off the mark.
Replies: >>27795
>>27784
>that the beast which is, and is not, and yet is
<robot with an AI
What doth a rock or a thing shaped with the hands of the craftsman of metal hath to do with this verse? Can you not read? It is a beast, not a rock or a peice of metal. A rock and a peice of metal are something that is. It is not something that is not as it actively exists.
<It will be enough to convince the simpletons which shall be in those days of a genuine miracle
Hast thou not read the scriptures? Only the "very elect" shall not be fooled by the deceptions of the great men of the earth. The only thing fitting the description is light. It is something that is as you see it, yet is not as light is only seen when it hits something, yet is as it can be given shape. So how could light be a beast....
Replies: >>27796
>>27795
Maybe. And maybe not. I'll believe differently while also keeping a watch on whatever it could be so that I might not be amongst the deceived by saying "I see." If you think I have been presumptuous then forgive me. Though I forgive your presumptions either way.
>>27770 (OP) 
John saw the image of the beast and he witnessed it blaspheme against God. Back in the day, there was no context in his society for an occurrence like this, now we have finally come to the moment where an image shaped by human hands can take life through AI. Just one more step closer to the fulfillment of the prophecies.

Whoever controls the AI systems that will take over governments (after all, no country wants to rely on limited human thinking when important (military) decisions are to be made if they could instead let ultra-intelligent AI do it for them) is the one who will control the world.

If you make a checklist of biblical end times prophecies and then look around these days, you'll find there has never been a better time to start checking each of them off, except for tomorrow that is.

ClipboardImage.png
[Hide] (73.3KB, 249x175)
Christian author Frank Turek, who was standing beside Charlie Kirk when he was assassinated and was in the SUV with him on the way to the hospital, shared some heartbreaking details on his podcast Wednesday. Turek will be speaking at Sunday's memorial service, and said that Charlie's wife, Erika, asked him to relate the story then as well. Holding back tears, Turek described the chaotic moments after Charlie was shot, as he and the security team got Charlie to the SUV to speed to the hospital, starting with why he jumped in the vehicle: "This is going to be the hard part, but maybe also the comforting part. Charlie Kirk was literally like a son to me. I have three sons. He was, like, my fourth son..."

https://redstate.com/jenvanlaar/2025/09/18/frank-turek-describes-heartbreaking-moments-after-charlie-kirk-was-shot-n2194076
Replies: >>27780
>>27778 (OP) 
What a thing to witness up close, God have mercy. Knowing he is already gone, but doing everything you can until you get the official word to stop. Pray for Frank, Charlie and his family, and may Charlie rest in peace.

ClipboardImage.png
[Hide] (631.6KB, 1440x810)
>"Isaiah 26:3, You 'keep in perfect peace those whose minds are stayed on you.' Lord, fill me with strength to turn my attention toward You that I find rest and joy in your presence. Amen."

A-list actor Chris Pratt is pointing followers to the importance of seeking God during the heavy times in which we live. 

Pratt posted a video on all his social media platforms, quoting scripture and inviting viewers to pray with him, captioning the video "Be Still." 

He closed his eyes and prayed, "Lord, You say, 'Be still and know that I am God.' Psalm 46:10, 'Be still and know that I am God.' In this moment, please Lord calm my restless mind and quiet my anxious heart... help me set aside distractions and choose what gives life and gives peace."

Pratt then encouraged viewers to turn their phones off and take a break from social media.

"Ok. Now, you can continue scrolling, or you can turn your phone off and go outside. Might I suggest the latter? Go get some sunshine..." he said, suggesting other ways to spend time in a positive, productive way.

As of Tuesday, his post on X had received almost 15 million views. Millions of additional viewers saw it on Facebook and Instagram.

Countless fans expressed their gratitude for Pratt's boldness in sharing the prayer.
Message too long. View the full text
Replies: >>27775
>>27774 (OP) 
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DOlnLPBCbdN/

Charlie_Kirk.jpg
[Hide] (69.8KB, 800x1066)
>And when they had driven him out of the city, they began stoning him; and the witnesses laid aside their garments at the feet of a young man named Saul. They went on stoning Stephen as he was calling out and saying, “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit!” Then falling on his knees, he cried out with a loud voice, “Lord, do not hold this sin against them!” And having said this, he fell asleep.
Now the man who performed this foul deed was the same one who would later write the words that the Holy Spirit said, "Awake, sleeper; rise from the dead, and Christ will shine on you" and the same one who later was faithful unto death, seeing his head removed from his shoulders for the sake of the one whom he previously worked to destroy, whose servants he murdered. Make no mistake, Charlie Kirk died a martyr, not merely because he was a believer who was murdered but because he was murdered for proclaiming the Christian worldview to a wicked and rebellious generation. These people hate the gospel, they hate you, and they hate Christ; they killed Charlie, why wouldn't they kill any one of you? "All who hate me love death".

We are being given a special blessing and responsibility which has not been granted to most Christians for some 500 years. Now is the time to be focused and to make no mistakes. We must do our duty to our Lord, and to that we must be firstly bold and secondly humble. Bold, lest we should be intimidated into silence by the very real threat
Message too long. View the full text
5 replies and 2 files omitted. View the full thread
Replies: >>27747 + 1 earlier
Christian_Reacts_Charlie_Kirk_Assassinated.mp4
[Hide] (31.4MB, 640x360, 09:56)
Replies: >>27753
st_michael_chaplet.jpeg
[Hide] (412.5KB, 836x1928)
>>27736 (OP) 
RIP Charlie Kirk

In these times, remember that we are in a conflict that is spiritual as well as physical. Prepare on both fronts.
ClipboardImage.png
[Hide] (299.5KB, 581x564)
>>27745
As I was watching this, I am stunned at how far America has fallen. These adults all once grew up in a Christian household or at the very least was exposed heavily to Christianity in America, yet, we are seeing so many of them growing up not only being apathetic towards Christianity but killing Christians and celebrating Christian deaths. What a sick country we live in.
Replies: >>27766 >>27771
>>27753
It really puts things in perspective. I used to wonder how it could ever get to the point where only 144,000 people could remain faithful by Judgement Day, or how the world could have become so wicked as to require The Flood, but I can understand now. In just a generation or two of the Bible not being the driving point of morality the Western world has all but fallen to ruin.
Replies: >>27771
>>27753
>>27766
Meditate on 1 Kings 19:10-18

Nujabes.jpg
[Hide] (150.8KB, 640x640)
I'm just curious to hear your guys story, how and what did God do and give you to finally defeats your bad habits and the such (I don't have any files really so here's a random image)
40 replies and 4 files omitted. View the full thread
1661336640856474_Andrew_Garfield_celibacy.jpg
[Hide] (74.6KB, 640x710)
Dropping in to report 41 days of no goonery and no porn. It is possible.
Replies: >>27717 >>27718
>>27716
Keep going, brother!
>>27716
Garfield hard at work in The Phantom Menace remake.
b024857af4fe3dbe7055285be680ec86a12ac696c0a0117cfc8c0556900e0ad4.png
[Hide] (296.3KB, 591x675)
>>23460 (OP) 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDaUvVBuTpc

I typically don't like posting YouTube vids but this short testimony helped to set me straight. For context, I have had listened to other testimonies in a similar vein which lines up exactly what this author describes. Ultimately, anytime you sin in lust you are giving these entities more and more power.
>>23460 (OP) 
I would say reading the Bible daily helps. I think it should be O.K. to take off the Sabbath, though. 

It fills me a spiritual enlightenment and mindfulness that helps with some of my worse habits. Other than that it's just actively wanting to change. Even when I smoked marijuana and tobacco I "wanted" to quit, but didn't want to quit "right this second" because I was "still having fun." 

Eventually I got a good job and the marijuana started giving me panic attacks thinking about getting fired, so I quit that. Then I started approaching 30 and the thought occurred to me that I could quit "in my twenties" and that sounded like I could grow old and still be O.K. because it was "just something dumb I did when I was young" but if I kept it up suddenly it would start turning into a serious problem. 

Other than that a combination of willful change and rising prices has helped me start to curb fast food and energy drinks, though I need to do better about that (I'm hoping with my wife's new schedule it will be easier to cook at home and summon the motivation to drink home made black coffee instead of energy drinks or sugary iced coffees from the store, though.)

Lastly, it's just going to be slimming down and curbing pornography/masturbation, but like the above I think a combination of spiritual fulfillment, willful change, and my wife's increased presence will help with that
Message too long. View the full text

Calvin.JPG
[Hide] (465KB, 1421x936)
Ever since shortly after I left the church of Rome I have been drawn to the Reformed tradition as the traditional and scholarly wing of the fundamentalist movement. Calvinist theologians have been at the forefront of defining (such as in The Fundamentals or the Chicago Statement on Inerrancy) and giving the reasons (presuppositional apologetics, Reformed epistemology) for our faith in an age of "reason". I was blessed especially by the ministry of Dr. James White, especially in his book the Potter's Freedom (which I highly recommend) in showing me the doctrines of grace, though the Reformed tradition is much more than the 5 points of Calvinism. To give a short answer, the reason why I'm Reformed is because I believe everything the bible says. I would think it would be simple to just believe everything God said, but apparently the vast majority of people (even Christians today) find it very difficult. 

The TULIP acrostic is much younger than the doctrines it represents, and even those 5 points were first formally stated as such in the 17th century at the Synod of Dort. But while they can cause confusion (especially the L) the doctrines have been taught since the beginning of the Reformation, and much earlier than that. Since by far the most popular argument against the doctrines of grace is the strawman fallacy, I want to explain each point to you and help you see that you may just believe them already. 

>Total Depravity
This does NOT mean that men are as bad as they possibly could be. In fact, unbelievers are sometimes so showered in common grace that we perceive them as being "better" than many Christians. What this doctrine does mean is that there is no kernel of good hidden deep within man that enables him to cooperate with the grace of God, but that he is according to nature so far gone that he would never, under any circumstances, under his own volition reconcile with his creator and submit to the rule of God, so that when he does so it is a true divine miracle changing the direction of his heart with as much force as would change the trajectory of the earth. For "there is none who does good, no one who seeks after God, no not even one". 

>Unconditional Election
This doctrine is very literally named, as it means that those blessed few among the great crowd of evil whom God shall save have not been chosen (or "elected") because they rose above and satisfied some condition of being so (such as accruing merit and avoiding mortal sin, or choosing to embrace the gospel message) but only because of the good pleasure of God, who has mercy on whom He will have mercy according to His plans to the praise of His glorious grace. It does not mean His selection is arbitrary, but the reasons for His determination are never that the elect merited salvation more than the reprobate. Often this doctrine is criticized as embodying pride, or as giving the Calvinist sinful pride. Nothing could be more scandalous or further from the truth. For I know that I am absolutely no better than the reprobate, and there was nothing about me which made me more desirable than the reprobate, but I can look at every single one of them as they march happily into the maw of hell screeching their hatred of God and say "there go I but for the grace of God". 

>Limited Atonement
This is perhaps the least well understood doctrine, regrettably in large part due to its unfortunate naming to create the TULIP acrostic. The limitation which is referenced is not one of efficiency but of scope, that is, Christ's death was certainly sufficient to save all men who will ever exist, but it was not His intention do so. But this doctrine is much more about what Christ has accomplished than what He has not. To deny this doctrine is to deny that Christ saved those for whom He died, and to assert that His sacrifice merely enabled them to be saved by some other convoluted means, which seems a much more pernicious limitation. For what this doctrine really means is that Christ accomplished the salvation of the elect upon the cross, so that every one of them can say "I have been crucified with Christ. It is now not I who lives, but Christ who lives in me. And the life I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me". Can the reprobate say this? Can he climb up on the parapets of hell, scream out his hatred of God, and say "I have been crucified with Christ"? Was it for a nameless, faceless mass of humanity that Christ died, to enable them to save themselves if they so desired, or did the Son of God love me and give Himself for me?

>Irresistible Grace
This doctrine is also named literally, as it means that the grace of God cannot be resisted by the elect, that is, they do not have the power to reject His powerful resurrecting grace, but the Spirit changes their hearts to make of them sons of God. They are a new creation, not the same wicked creature which once despised his maker, but they are freed from slavery to sin, so that they may flee with tears to the mercy of Christ, and kneel without hesitation to His Lordship. This is what the Lord meant when He said, "you must be born again".
Message too long. View the full text
40 replies and 5 files omitted. View the full thread
>you purposely conflate rabbinic Judaism with Christianity
Were you looking in a mirror while writing this post? 
>understand the difference between Israelite religion, Christianity, and rabbinic Judaism
Difference between Jewish religion and the other Jewish religion (rabbinic Judaism): none
Difference between Christianity and either: infinity.

See, this is a problem. Not listening to the good man Marcion ended up with the Church being forced into a schizophrenic position where you have to truly believe that at some point in (mythic) history, Jews were good and Godly people, whereas evidence of your eyes and ears, as well as testimony of the ancient peoples who were contemporary of those mythical "Good Jews", point towards the fact they had always been a tribe of desert marauders following Hottentot morality and possessing proclivity for thieving only matched by Gypsies.
Replies: >>27053
>>26696

>APOSTOLIC AND ROMAN CATHOLIC
>Jewish Pope Francis

Who's gonna tell Anon that this isn't how it works lmao
>>26919
Meds
>>26861
>I get what you are attempting to say
But then you say 
>However, to suggest that Baptists and Presbyterian churches were present at the time of the Apostles is misguided at best and intellectually dishonest at worst.
So what you meant to say is "I don't have a clue what your point is", or "I'm maliciously ignoring your point".
>>26859
I'll reserve my judgements until I finish the Bible, but I will also say I believe it's important to remember all men, no matter how faithful, can be lead astray. Aaron, God's own elected minister, was the one who crafted the molten calf, after all.

Show Post Actions

Actions:

Captcha:

Select the solid/filled icons
- news - rules - faq -
jschan 1.7.3