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John 3:16 KJV: For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.


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Matthew 22
Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 'On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.'

Galatians 5
For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another. For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; 'Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.'
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the music thread is gone so I'm posting these by themselves instead. At my assembly today it was reminded that ALL the law is fulfilled and HANGS on the commandment of love. How much do we make sure we're right with the law and doing the right thing and we ignore the actual focus of God and his will from the beginning his commandment. Death experiences have told us of the great love when in the light of God. Many of us have known moments when we have been put in front of God's love and how much we want to live in it forever and how much we will live in it forever.
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>>27975
>Anyone got any good Christmas songs?
The trick is to look for Christmas music written before the 20th century—the longer ago they were written, the better. Not everything before the "Ho! Ho Ho! Santa's comin' to town! Go shopping!" era was exclusively religious in tone, but most of them at least acknowledged God. Your mileage will vary on the quality of the renditions as there really won't be an "official" recording of anything that old.

>1939 Peace on Earth short
The version you linked is actually the 1955 remake "Good Will to Men". Interestingly, the remake is probably more Christian in that their version of the song is slightly more fleshed out, the book is explicitly identified as the Bible—with a quote from the New Testament this time—and them going to church for Christmas at the end. The original does have them sing "Silent Night" at the end, but it's indistinct enough that you can't really make out the lyrics.

Original: https://archive.org/details/peaceonearth1939_202107
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>>27979
Well, I'll be. I think I must've conflated it with the lyrics from the song In Christ Alone which I remember listening to right before watching the short a few years ago. 

I agree, and it's been infuriating me the more and more I notice it and how the commercialization of Christmas and introduction of Santa Claus and the rest has really detrwcted from the meaning of Christmas. Just the other day my fiance wanted to watch the show Amphibia and the Christmas Special really disgusted me. I cant imagine how it was anything ither than intentional malfeasance how they handled it. The characters, mostly from another world, keep asking what the purpose of Christmas is, what the reason for celebrating Christmas is, and why it exists and no less than four or five times they either give them very dismissive answers or tell them it's just about getting presents. There's one particularly diabolical scene where they ask a museum curator and she tells them that it "started in the fourth century when people burned Yule logs" and grew into Saturnalia. Now we celebrate it "by hanging tacky decorations and buying each other discount merchandise."

There's a few scenes where the fish out of water characters say Christmas seems too complicated and pointless and then we get a scene where some Thai immigrants say Christmas is the one time o
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>>27974
Unworldly Sounds 39
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3uP8GSjHOss
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>>28027
Unworldly Sounds 40
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDCmL-0Uqg0

And that's all for now! The guy in charge of this series has announced that it will cease for now. Hopefully some of you got something out of some of the songs—I know I did. I hope you all have a merry and blessed Christmas.
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>>28028

I certainly did, too. Bless you anon, and Merry Christmas.

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ITT convince me why I should join your denomination over others.
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>>28019
>zero hesitation to bear false witness
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>>28020
Only a few things get you autobanned on /christian/, and the accusation wasn't refutted. But whatever makes you feel better.
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>>28021
>the accusation wasn't refutted
That's not how it works, you aren't justified in throwing out baseless accusations because you weren't refuted. Your throat is an open grave, the poison of asps is under your lips, there is no fear of God before your eyes.
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>>28022
Nice try. Then how's this: How does one get auto-banned on /christian/? What does the word "probably" mean? What can be said about a person who can't communicate without breaking those rules? And please, just answer the questions. Hold the goalpost moving and mirroring if you want a response. You zoomers really are an emotional bunch, never to grow if the mommy and daddy issues aren't overcome.
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>>28023
>What does the word "probably" mean?
Oh that's the magic one that makes it morally permissible to bear false witness when you say it.
>And please, just answer the questions. Hold the goalpost moving and mirroring if you want a response. You zoomers really are an emotional bunch, never to grow if the mommy and daddy issues aren't overcome.
There you go again. You are incapable of treating your fellow man with respect, you have no hesitation to bear false witness against your neighbor, you have no shame when your sin is called out, you betray your pride and contempt constantly. Is there any wonder why you are enthralled with a false religious system? It is because you are unregenerate, you have not been born again, you are still in the flesh, you are still in your sins. You are on the road to hearing the words "I never knew you". My friend, when you die you will go to hell, where your pseudo-religiosity and pride will avail you nothing, you will drink the whole cup of God's wrath, and you will not be released until you pay the last penny. But the Lord provided a way out for all who believe, I tell you that if you repent of your sins and throw yourself on the mercy of God in Christ you will certainly be forgiven and saved because Jesus paid the price for all of His people, He took the curse of the law in their place, so that by His 
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What's your favorite Bible translation?
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>>27960
Yes, Jehovah's Witnesses I've spoken with were quick to dismiss "modern translations" which these particular Witnesses said were "not true translations". One scowled when I mentioned the NIV. While I don't have a complete list of which translations they like or dislike, when I asked them what they thought of the KJV, they told me that it's a good translation but their organization produced the NWT because the KJV was too archaic for modern English readers. I know this is anecdotal, but 5+ JWs I've spoken with have all had a similar take. I mostly relied on their NWT while speaking with them, as they accept that it's perfect. It just has removed every Trinitarian thing they could find (they still couldn't remove it all, though).

I'll admit, sometimes I can sense the terms and phrasing are not landing with new believers, so I'm paraphrasing for them immediately after reciting the text. So, use what you think is correct.
>>27955
It really is the best Catholic study Bible. And the digital version costing $3 while the physical volumes cost hundreds (there's 17 of them) makes it a steal.
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>>27950 (OP) 
The King James Version.
>>27950 (OP) 
Either Douay or Knox. Unfortunately, neither of them managed to achieve the role of being of being a common scriptural language recognized by all English-speaking Catholics—though the former probably comes closer amongst so-called "Traditionalist" Catholics.
Whichever ones produce the fruits of hearing all of the word, and of doing the word, and of Godly charity.

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>morning service was cancelled due to inclement weather
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>>27943 (OP) 
These tires of scenarios are where being able to do a Zoom back-up service would come in handy.
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>>27966
>What does it mean to protest?
The term Protestant refers to a formally dissenting party of princes within the imperial diet of the Holy Roman Reich of the German Nation.
>What are they protesting?
The Edict of Worms, but if you want to turn it into something theological it would be the traditions of Rome, which you also reject, so I don't understand your seething.
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>>27972
That's not church. If you're not gathered together in the flesh with the people of God, it's not church.
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>>27994
I agree, but if they're going to cancel service it would be nice to hear a homily.
>>27992
Honestly he's probably an overzealous fresh convert, if I had to guess from a Pentecostal denomination, and now that he feels he's landed in the true religion the leavening of the Phariaees has taken hold and feels compelled to declare everyone else a heretic.

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>>27708
Christianity is the religion of the White European True Israelite, no mutts allowed, all others need to stick to their pagan and keep their heads down if they don't want them sliced off. The lesser races will lay down their weapons and bow to the White Man's will. Those who do not yield will be exterminated.
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>>27876
Christianity was accepted in Asia and Africa before Europe.
Anyway here's some art from the Ethiopian Orthodox.
>>27876
That's not how it works. In Galatians Paul says there are no Jews or Gentiles. We are all one in Christ. Anyone who accepts him is saved.

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Due to several threads being dragged wildly off-topic by some anons' inability to hold themselves back whenever someone says the Pope is the antichrist or that Martin Luther destroyed Christianity, this thread will serve as a pseudo-containment thread for dialogue between Catholics and Protestants. Rules still apply in here, keep the thread on topic, do not make one-liner insults or ad hominems, keep it civil and respectful. Posts that try to start fights between Churches and drag the OP off-topic in other threads will be deleted, no matter how many there are.
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>>27636
No, I accept yours. Because instead of addressing the central issue of the argument, which was that Luther was an unintentional agent of satan by unleashing the Reformation and leading to continuous fracturing of denominations, heresies, confusion, and theological innovation. You instead have danced around the central argument going on long tangents with huge blocks of text. This is the central argument, whose roots lie in the use of Sola Scriptura, which has the Protestants renounce tradition entirely, then act as if they alone understand Scripture, like literary purists tearing up the author's notes to protect the sanctity of their own fan theories.
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>>27637
Sir, you were conclusively refuted, every single thing you've said was refuted, and all anyone needs to do to see it is scroll up. You are embarrassing yourself. Your persistent references to "blocks of text" leaves me unconvinced you even bothered to read your refutation, as if your brain is too tiny to comprehend anything that does not fit into a meme. I advise you to be silent because each further whining reply has only increased your embarrassment.
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>>27638
>I won, you are refuted tee hee hee
Delusions are a sign of schizophrenia or demonic influence; you might want to get that checked out. And yes, I read what you wrote, but it doesn't address the central crux of the argument. Since you refuse to address that central point constantly aside from the very beginning where you made a short quip about how schism was lamentable and comes from pride then we can say the Reformation unleashed a lot of pride which is a sin, so I will assume you know that I and the other anon are correct and that Luther was an unintentional agent of satan because only satan would benefit from continued confusion, division, and heresy, which is a direct result of reliance on Sola Scriptura. Protestant critique of the Church through the use of scripture means very little because its exegesis is hindered by its eisegesis, which is divorced from the spiritual disposition of the Church, as lived and expressed through the Church’s tradition, worship, and theology. Again, you are like a fan club arguing against the author about what the author's book is supposed to mean. If it is your pride that is keeping you from seeing this, I can completely understand, as many Protestants see things similarly to you. At this point, all we can do is agree to disagree since this has become completely unproductive.
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It is the nature of a man not to exist in many places at once, so if Christ is physically present on every altar on earth every Lord's Day then He cannot be true man. It may be that God could cause an object to be in many places at once, but He could not cause it to be both in many places at once and human, by virtue of His logical laws which He imposes on creation and it seems a very weak and impotent god who is unable to impose his will on creation by making it logically consistent. It also contradicts those lines of the Creed, "He ascended into heaven", "from there He shall come to judge the living and the dead"; since if He is physically present today then He could not be said to have left, and if He never left then He cannot return. And they violate the Lord's warning that we should not believe those who say "Look, here is the Christ".
To believe in transubstantiation is basically to deny the incarnation, ascension and second coming of Jesus Christ.
>>18634
God blessed Israel but they still had wars from time to time.

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On this day 508 years ago God used Martin Luther to bring His people out of Babylon and purify His Church from all paganism.
the ensuing religious wars were a mess, but ultimately it had to be done to reclaim the Church.
thank you, Martin

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I believe in God the Father Almighty,
Maker of heaven and earth.

I believe in Jesus Christ, his only begotten Son, our Lord;
who was conceived by the Holy Spirit, born of the virgin Mary;
suffered under Pontius Pilate;
was crucified, dead, and buried;
he descended into hell; the third day he rose again from the dead;
he ascended into heaven,
and sits at the right hand of God the Father Almighty;
from there he shall come to judge the living and the dead.

I believe in the Holy Spirit;
the holy catholic church;
the communion of saints;
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Recently I've been thinking about the nature of psychology and Christianity despite psychology often being related to secular or occult ideas (Carl Jung, a famous psychologist was often inspired by ideas related to Gnosticism and "spirit guides" he would let take over him). I think this is why a lot of Christians seem resistant to psychology but I believe it might have merit with some ideas, and some ideas might even be very beneficial for Christians. I've recently been interested in the idea of the subconscious and trauma stored in the body. The idea that everything that happens to people are stored inside of the body and/or subconscious strikes me as supporting the idea that everything that happens to us is for a reason, i.e God's plan for us. I imagine when we meet Him and see ourselves in our new perfect bodies, we will see everything that would be too painful to bear consciously in a new light. 

Sin, trauma, and spiritual oppression seem related in some ways too but I'm not quite sure how to elaborate on this very well. What do you guys think?
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>>27817 (OP) 
< Carl Jung, a famous psychologist was often inspired by ideas related to Gnosticism and "spirit guides" he would let take over him

Are you serious? This is going to be something I bring up in conversation with people a lot, Anon, do you have a source by chance?
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>>27817 (OP) 
As someone that is studying to go into a psychiatry related field, I know that some Christians are rightfully weary of secular psychology. Secular psychology is an inversion of Christian understanding of human nature. Secular psychology and psychiatry can only frame the person from a materialistic view. The Orthodox tradition has a far more holistic view, and if you are interested, I recommend the following books if you are a book nerd such as myself. I would start with Orthodox Psychotherapy as the initial read. It is a bit dense though.
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>>27823
Yes, this link has a lot of information about MBTI in particular (of which his theories inspired) and his "spirit guide" was named Philemon.
https://www.intjs.org/mbti-occult-ties-exposed/
I looked up "Philemon" too and this came up: https://philemonfoundation.org/about-philemon/who-is-philemon/
>>27828
Thank you! This seems like a good and informative approach so far and I will finish reading it tomorrow.
My opinion of psychology is that properly the term refers to the descriptive study of human behavior. So in and of itself, it could not be illegitimate, in fact every one of us is engaging in psychology when we impute motivations to another person. However, the state of modern psychology is obviously ungodly and illegitimate, not so much because it is psychology, but because it is thoroughly secular. If you read modern psychology papers they are absolutely marinated in the secular worldview and it is the influence of their secular presuppositions which causes their obscene beliefs and behaviors eg sanctifying drag queen story hour and other crimes. Normally you get the impression they are unaware any alternative even exists and take their presuppositions completely for granted, revealing a lack of self-awareness and leading to a tendency to arrogantly think they are merely correct and no rational argument could exist (ironically, it is the secularists who blindly follow established dogma). They also have a tendency to arrogantly exclude themselves from their own theories, reinforcing their misplaced faith in their own ideas and lending towards their confusion of their own field with ethics (which is the prescriptive study of human behavior; whenever you hear a psychologist saying we have a "duty" to do this or that, or that we "must" do this or that, i.e. to accept unrepentant homosexuals, you are hearing such a confused psychologist). These are a few of the fundamental error
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>>27882
>Your move, heretic.
It is a heresy to suggest that salvation comes through a specific biblical translation. Salvation comes from following Christ, doing what He asks of us, and living a life of repentance. This can be accomplished even without ever reading the Bible. If you have a particular translation you like, good, read it. But do not come around here condemning others with your heretical beliefs.
>>27884
>Yeshua, the Messiah, taught obedience to his Father's commandments, you don't get to eat pork, break the Sabbath, and do pagan idolatry now.
Jesus kept the Mosaic law in order to be a flawless, perfect sin offering on our behalf. While the New Testament admonishes us to keep ourselves from idols, there's nothing similar regarding pork or the Sabbath. The Mosaic law was given to a specific people group: the Jews. It was not given to the gentiles. Abraham married his half-sister in violation of Leviticus 18:9, yet Abraham is called a friend of God. You will say that the law didn't exist yet when Abraham was alive. This is because the law is not eternal.
>"But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster." Galatians 3:23-25
>>27884
It would be helpful if you would not cherry-pick scripture without understanding the context. Also, your interpretation regarding paganism and idolatry hinders the exegesis you are attempting to put forward. The onus is on you to show how God hates His people kissing His image and His saints. That is your claim. As for God hating the kissing of pagan gods, absolutely, and nowhere is that done. We already know that God allows images to be depicted, because the Temple itself was full of realistic depictions, and the earliest Churches and Synagogues had images, so obviously it can't be that. Perhaps think on it a bit more, and you will understand what God is really upset with. This post might give you a hint >>26911. 

As for Sunday, the Church, as the continuation of the 2nd Temple Israelite religion, turned the focus upon Christ as it should be, and began commemorating the resurrection of Christ on Sunday. It doesn't mean that Saturday is no longer the Sabbath; in fact, it still is with many Orthodox communities serving Divine Liturgy on both days, but the greater focus is on Christ and the Resurrection now. You should already know this, I mean, it is mentioned in the New Testament, in Acts 20:7. This isn't a new thing. 

As for holidays, they have been taken and sanctified. That is what we as Christians are supposed to do with creation. So, no apologies for establishing our dominion to celebrate our Lord on a previous pagan holiday. If you have beef with the secular decay of Easter and Christmas, take it up with the atheists, but traditional Christian Paschal and Nativity services are far from pagan celebrations. I can tell that you are entirely unfamiliar with them. These videos should help edify you. 
Christmas is not Pagan (Scripture)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ca_Yx3aMCiE
Christmas is not Pagan (History)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfcvJWPTY64
Easter is not Pagan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IffNsK_fdoY
Halloween is not Pagan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fu-5BmAzbrU
Valentine's Day is not Pagan
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Reminder that protestantism is heresy and you should read the full bible not that crap of the NKJV. I suggest the Bible of Jerusalem that was what people of the clergy who studied theology used back in the day, or the bible of Navarre. 
Good afternoons.
>>27884
You are a genuine judaizer, and it is very unfortunate this necessary message comes with such errors. 
1. The Christian Sabbath is not the 7th but the 1st day of the week. I will disregard all allusions to "sun worship" because it is merely absurd. Your criticisms in that respect could equally apply to the apostles, whom we see met and worshipped on the Lord's Day (Acts 20:7, 1 Corinthians 16:2, Revelation 1:10). God is Lord of the Sabbath and has the right to move it to whatever day He desires. The 4th commandment does not mention the seventh day of the week, but the seventh after six days of labor, which would be true of any day of the week. The ancient fathers called the Lord's Day the eighth day of the week, because on this day the Lord completed the new creation and rested at the right hand of God. The Reformed churches keep the Sabbath but we do so on the day which God has appointed under the new covenant to which alone we are bound.
2. All dietary laws were ceremonial laws attached to the Mosaic and Noahic dispensations of the covenant, respectively. These ceremonies were types and figures of Christ and were abrogated in Him, whom we no longer know under a shadow (see Acts 10:10-15). This distinction is not a novel invention of Christian theology nor an attempt to pick and choose from the law, it is in fact retained even by the Jews of today, whose rabbis say no gentile is required to keep 
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