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>>18107
>Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: If my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence
It will be a wonder if a day comes when an objection to Christ was not known and answered before the world was shaped

>>27398
You can tell when opponents truly do not understand Christianity. They lack the vision of the Christian worldview and see things from a purely materialist position, as if Christianity is simply some movement. Even most pagans do a similar thing because they have an undeveloped worldview and are merely in a reactive phase. I think of Fr. Seraphim Rose, who saw these opponents as attempting to find an earthly utopia. That somehow man can fix his way out of his problems, not fully understanding that he is his problem, his very condition weakens itself.

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Other weird stuff going on as well. Egyptian government out of nowhere wants to take over St. Catherine's Monastery and to turn it into a tourist attraction. 
https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/264561/monks-close-doors-of-st-catherine-monastery-as-battle-with-egypt-government-continues

>>27491
>He warned that the ruling allows the state to reclaim the property if the monks ever leave — for any reason —
>“This new legal status puts the monastery’s entire future at risk,” he said.
I thought the whole point is that the monks stay?

>>27491
Insane

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>>27512 (OP) 
>I will remember the deeds of the LORD; yes, I will remember your wonders of old. I will ponder all your work, and meditate on your mighty deeds. Your way, O God, is holy. What god is great like our God? You are the God who works wonders; you have made known your might among the peoples. (Psalm 77:11-14, ESV)

We are in this together, brother. Pray for me, as I pray for you. Let us pray for one another.

Ten years ago I thought the world was gonna end, and I was reading the Bible cover-to-cover as quickly as I could. I lamented that I wasted my younger years on fruitless stuff and neglected reading His Word.

It has been a journey for me as well. There has been ups and downs, but the Lord has always miraculously provided for me. I am working on seeking Him first thing in the morning, instead of being a worldly Christian and only seeking Him out when things get bad.

I want to encourage you brother. The struggle you face, is the same struggle that the Apostles faced. That we all face. Even Jesus Christ faced Himself when He was out in the wilderness.

Be good.

>>27512 (OP) 
>get to chapter 9
>section title: THE PLACE OF ISRAEL
yeah this is rich

>>27511
>it was the evil one that had influence upon his heart and the Holy Spirit was not with him.

>>27517
Pretty sure his actions can be attributed to the evil one and not to the Holy Spirit. Unless you are suggesting that the Holy Spirit can led someone into sin.

>>27501 (OP) 
Once Save Always Saved

>>27518
The post attributed his heart to the evil one, sir.

>>27520
Absolutely, insofar as his actions are not attributed to the Holy Spirit, unless you are suggesting the Holy Spirit can lead us to sin. But never did I condemn him, as you are suggesting

>>27449
Why didn't he make a world with truly righteous humans in the first place, is he stupid?

C.S. Lewis discussed the problem of pain at length.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LN8b5wkAEbg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPXWyfKcfkw

>>27450
In essence, God did in the beginning with Adam and Eve. God created humanity for communion with Him, not as pre-programmed beings incapable of choice. True righteousness is not merely an inherent state but a relationship, a dynamic participation in God's divine life. If humans were created already perfected in righteousness, they would lack the ability to freely choose love, obedience, and holiness. Love without choice is not love at all. Additionally, creation itself is a process of growth and transformation. Humanity was made in the image of God, but the journey toward likeness, becoming truly righteous, is one of synergy between divine grace and human will. The fall of Adam and Eve was not an arbitrary failure but a consequence of free will, which allows for both sin and redemption. Through Christ, humanity is given the opportunity to freely return to righteousness, not as automatons but as willing participants in divine life. Would a world of preordained righteousness truly reflect the depth of God's love? The beauty of salvation lies in the fact that righteousness is not imposed but offered, and that through struggle, repentance, and the overwhelming grace of God, humans can become what they were always meant to be: partakers of the divine nature (2 Peter 1:4).

>>27452
NTA. Powerful, thanks Anon.

>>27452
>If humans were created already perfected in righteousness
But, anon, Genesis 1:31* and Ecclesiastes 7:29* states they already were. And then they weren't by no one's choice but their own. I do not find fault with God for not seeing it coming. Because how can anyone forsee that which doesn't exist, which is freedom from God? And forsee that which has never happened before, which was man rebelling against God? This isn't a hard thought either. For does mankind, who was made in the image of the spirit of God, not love to justify himself with "How could I have known?" But it is only God who truly gets away with such an excuse. Neither do I believe that God would have seen it coming, because he is the Beginning and the End. God is the Beginning and the End. But not at the same time. Or else God would not have called himself two different times if he is the same time. "With God all things are possible!" you might now be thinking. But, obviously, all things being possible must also include the possibility that it's not possible. Matthew 24:24* has an example of this.

As for why man rebelled, the reason is there is no reason. Because provoking God is without reason to begin with. Is this too simple and stupid sounding to be what's happening? You bet it is! But it is what's happening anyway. And you've got to deal with it.

Lucifer has a similar stupid sounding origin

>>27369 (OP) 
based, I hope he uses his platform to promote the gospel. Like how many more interviews about secular degenerations can be profitable for his soul

>>27371
Same. I just want him to take a careful approach. Like I would love to see more apologists on the show, but I wouldn't want him to go full fanatic and drive his audience away before they can be Christpilled.

>>27382
>Forgiveness is the ultimate get out of jail card.   
You seem to have a skewed view of redemption. For the person who sins, simply asking for forgiveness does not bring about redemption, but the act of repentance with a contrite heart can. Everyone sins, and so it is important that we continuously repent and always draw closer to Christ. We forgive others because just as we sin and deserve destruction, Christ says that if we truly forgive others, God the Father with forgive us. Forgiveness of others is a form of repentance.

>>27374
I don't remember where Paul said "you know what I don't want to mention that Jesus rose from the dead because I don't want to go full fanatic and drive away the areopagus". What brings people to the Lord is the preaching of the gospel and the power of the Spirit, you don't make Christians by stealth.

>>27505
Nah, it would be better if he allowed other Christians on to preach the gospel. Joe is no Paul.

>>27445 (OP) 
Blessed Feast!

Had a child born to me on this day of Holy Pentecost a few years ago. Blessed beyond words, but sharing anyway. Praise be to God.

>>27464
Glory to God!

>>25507
>to be ignorant of occult powers
There are no occult powers. Show me an occultist with powers and I will show you a fraud. Modern occultists are frauds and pimp out book after book to gullible idiots. They are no better than the self-help crowd. If you had occult powers, you wouldn't be here that is for sure.

"Satanist" is a politically correct term for a Jew or a wannabe Jew (freemason, left-hand-path occultist, whatever) anyway.

>There are no occult powers.
There exists one, and it's a terrible power. It is called Deception. Occultists (and Jews, since an Occultist is basically a Gentile who desperately wants to be a Jew) are people who are really good at swindling, lying, and cheating, which certainly does help them to get ahead in the society of liars, cheaters and swindlers.

Another good video by Jeem exposing the real origins of Jewish Kabbalah. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUOgvV3o0YU

>>25435
Which means it was satanic. Their gods were fallen angles.

>>27469
Satan was not quoting scripture in the temptations, he was challenging Jesus's self avowed role as Christ. In other words, Satan was arguing against revelation, insisting on hard proof, not unlike you.

>>27471
You sound like a false prophet

>>27472
You sound like a coward. What does it say about Christians that they would rather incessantly recite scripture, perhaps go to Church for the millionth time, for centuries, and do nothing about the injustices Jesus himself confronted millennia ago? It trivializes faith by risking nothing. It is the absence of faith. They all just wanted to have their little parking lot in Heaven after death. That is the sum of "Christianity" since Muntzer. Luther and the Protestants are the most massive hypocrites in history. I have more respect for Catholics. They don't pretend to have a fuller fidelity to Jesus's teachings.

>>27473
Injustices existed in Roman Judea. Which of these did Jesus teach his followers to 'violently' oppose? The One who raised the dead could've killed any tyrant or oppressor with a word from His lips - yet He did not.
>"And when his disciples James and John saw this, they said, Lord, wilt thou that we command fire to come down from heaven, and consume them, even as Elias did? But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of. For the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them. And they went to another village." Luke 9:54-56 KJV
If you care for the poor, no one is stopping you from giving your money to the poor. The visible Kingdom of God will come at the appointed time, and all these wrongs will be righted. Until then, live as an ambassador for Christ - preaching the good news of what Jesus has accomplished for us. Be an ambassador, not a hit squad.

>>27471
2 Peter 1:20-21
1 John 4:1

Christisking dot see see might be worth a visit, although it is anonymous-message-board-adjacent with a similar posting culture. It's less dead than this board, though. Main focus is Western Orthodoxy but they accept all denominations (and even non-Christians as long as they're not Jews or Muslims and treat others respectfully).

>>27243

See >>27137
If it requires a sign up to post, then by definition it is not an anonymous message board and expect to be swept up by the jannies as soon as you try to banter or have any fun that we take for granted here.

>>27251
TL;DR: avoid chobitsu as they do nothing but abusing mod privileges.

Did everyone move over to our chan /r/? The site is more dead than zzzchan but the religion board is more active than here.

>>27370
I also lurk ourchan, but notice that they had to call it /r/ for ((( religion ))) instead of making their own /christian/. That's how you know that they aren't on the same page as this place is. Anathema!