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John 3:16 KJV: For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.


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After going through some ideas in the meta thread, one that I've been considering a lot lately is creating a dedicated, stickied thread that acts as a guide for anything and everything Christianity. This includes different versions of the Bible, texts from Church fathers and scholars, literature, education material, films, TV shows, music, podcasts, everything that would be beneficial to both old and new believers alike. Each of it will be organized in one very large thread for easy browsing. And that's where (You) come in.
If you have something that falls into any category listed above (and then some), post it here.
>If you have a link, post it along with a working archive (VERY important. Once it's on the Internet, it's there forever, until it isn't.). Use a website like https://archive.fo/ to check for and make backups.
>If it's an image, document, or audio/video file, post a link to it and post the file in the thread as well. I will work on getting these archived somewhere like Mega that allows playing them back in the browser. You may download YouTube videos using ytp-dl or through various Invidious instances (https://invidio.us) that allow downloading.
I will make the actual repository thread once we have substantial material and edit it accordingly, and update it as new material is posted. This thread will be for sharing resources, discussing archive methods, and how the main thread should be organized.
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>>25083 (OP) 
>Use a website like https://archive.fo/ 
Bad idea IMO. Check into archive.today BO. I'd much more-highly recommend the venerable archive.org (AKA Wayback Machine), which has clearly stood up to the Globohomo to fight censorship.

So, I'm a student of (and proponent of) so-called Day Age Creationism, that is, science apologetics; which treats the revelation of God as being from two 'books'; the special & inspired revelation of the Holy Scriptures, and the general revelation of nature -- the handiwork of all His creative acts. (cf. The Belgic Confession [1]) This position is most well expounded by the modern organization Reasons to Believe [2].

The position I've just described, while both Biblically & scientifically sound, is nonetheless a quite controversial one for so-called Young Earth Creationists. Question: How do you plan to deal with controversy ITT BO?

1. https://www.crcna.org/welcome/beliefs/confessions/belgic-confession#toc-article-2-the-means-by-which-we-know-god
2. https://reasons.org/explore/publications/nrtb-e-zine/historic-christianity-s-two-books-of-revelation
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>>25084
What's wrong with archive.fo? They all run the same software, is each archived page only saved on that one instance, or is it mirrored across the rest of them?
As for controversial pages, I think it would be best to lean towards including it, but with a possible disclaimer* that it has been deemed controversial for X reasons. Works that are blatantly heretical or anti-Christian will not be included.
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>>25085
>archive.fo
Two words:
>cuck
>flare
Two other words:
>globo
>homo

Use archive.org. They have proven themselves combattant against blatant legal censorship demands.

'---'

As to the basic topic of my question: there's nothing at all controversial about any of Day Age Creationism from the Christian perspective. Its both completely Biblical, and rationally sound. However the Young Earth Creationists (of which there was at least one regular posting here in the past) takes umbridge at the very ideas that
>A) The universe is literally billions of years old
>B) There was animal death before the fall of Adam & Eve

Again both of these are Biblically-sound positions, and also clearly affirmed by observational evidence in the creation around us as well (the two 'books').

And since neither of these are foundational issue for the Christian faith (as opposed to say, the virgin birth of Jesus Christ, or the Triune nature of God -- both of which are foundational), then I have no issues of significance with them claiming the universe is only 6'000 years old as a fellow Christian. (But since that YEC postion eliminates the potential for Evangelism in general however, it is important issue.)
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>>25086
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Both sites use Cloudflare, and archive.org has come under a lot of pressure to remove copyrighted material and I don't need that fear hanging over my head. Several sites archiving the same content makes it harder to remove.
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>>25087
Fine, you're majoring in the minors. Do as you see fit.

Back to the (slightly modified) question: How do you plan to deal with (unecessary & inflammatory for little doctrical reason) controversy ITT BO?
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>>25088
If there's going to be walls of text posted arguing for/against something in the archive then it will be moved to another thread where it would be more relevant. I may then add it to the archive with a small disclaimer saying why it's controversial.
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>>25089
OK, sounds reasonable. Thanks.
>>25086 
>he doesn't know about archive.org removing non-kosher content https://www.theverge.com/2022/9/7/23341051/kiwi-farms-internet-archive-backup-removal
*removed direct link
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>>25092
Haha, that one I actually agree with !  :^)
Now, please tell us all about how archive.today refused to comply and instead fought tooth&nail against their masters the Globohomo to preserve this valuable human treasure of a site.
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I don't know if this is the sort of thing that you're looking for, but I do have a torrent file of a handful of Fr. Hesse talks. I know the Internet Archive has a lot of his talks but, from what I could tell, about half of these were either not present in their archive or were present in an incomplete form.
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https://www.ccel.org/ Christian Classics Ethereal Library
https://www.newadvent.org/ 1917 Catholic Encyclopedia
https://orthodoxwiki.org/ Orthodox Christian Wiki
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http://www.sovereignredeemerbooks.com/
historic Hyper-calvinist books and pdfs
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>>25097
What makes this hyper-Calvinist?
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>>25098
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>>25095
Thank you SSPXanon. I have another mirrors.

https://archive.org/details/FatherHesse
https://mega.nz/folder/7h52AYBY#6bmPr3KwWvgvsB2yBV7fkg

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https://fisheaters.com/
>>25101
>criticizes Calvinism for things that confessional Calvinists don't hold
???
>>25083 (OP) 
>different versions of the Bible
There's one Bible, you shouldn't be promoting "versions" of it. One Bible that has been translated and preserved in many languages. 

God said he'd preserve his words, and he has, so get a real Bible.

>Church fathers
Gross. If you really /need/ to appeal to mere mortal men instead of GOD ALMIGHTY and GOD'S WORD, then call them founders or members or leaders or something. 

You have one Father and "church" is never capitalized in any of the English translations of the Bible. "chruch" is only ever capitalized in translations of "versions" of the Bible used by apostates and heretics and whores and harlots.
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>>25191
>There's one Bible
I take it then that you, yourself, have already mastered Biblical Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek then?

Ofc, then there's the minor issue that we literally have 'no' original scrolls extant.

>tl;dr
You trust the Great Shepherd to herd humanity. He's quite able to shepherd His Word 'into all the nations', friend.  :)
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>>25191
>the Holy Spirit doesn't speak through individual mortal Christians
You deny the words of the very scriptures you claim you defend
>>25193
KJV only
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>>25101
"Sometimes I worry that I have never not introspected moribundly too much enough"... This man, he hurts his cause. You either already agree with him, therefore appeals to nobody new, or you sign off the moment you see his tricky verbiage which is just that - a trick. There is no direct doctrinal rebuttal in there. What a waste if you've genuine reasons to oppose calvinism.

>>25209
To be fair anon I love KJV but I don't have the big brain IQ for transposing the original Old English automatically into modern in my head all the time... it dissuades me from reading anything. I want the real blueprint but frankly I need a version for dummer dum dums.

There is a "New" King James Version... does anyone know what the least bastardized versions are among modern English?
>>25654
Orthodox Study Bible is NKJV which honestly isn't that bad at all. It is nice to have even if not Orthodox because it also has Septuagent.
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The practice of spiritual warfare. From an Orthodox perspective, but Christians of any denomination may be able to find helpful tools here to add to their arsenal. 

https://www.unseenwarfare.net/
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This link contains one of the largest reference materials for the bible for archaeological, literary, etc. evidence I've seen:
https://pastelink.net/2w1ne 

I think ya'll would benefit from it
>>25654
>what the least bastardized versions are among modern English?
Depends. The ((( academic ))) standard is the NRSV. The favorite among Catholics is the RSV2CE. The Orthodox like OSB which is really just an edit of the NKJV. Protestants are all over the place, but the ESV is the one generally used in interfaith debates and dialogs.
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>>25903
The Berean line is pretty solid unless youre a spastic who is diehard for your denominations translation.
>>25654
I'm a KJV fan. It feels like a better investment to memorize scripture when you've got a standard, and no one in the English-speaking world is going to dispute with you that the KJV is a standard (400+ years). The multitude of new translations makes memorization of them seem futile. What if I spent years memorizing scriptures out of the 1984 NIV and now they've updated it? And furthermore, is quoting memorized NIV scripture as useful if the person I'm speaking to reads the ESV? There's power in speaking the Word of God word-for-word to someone who has the same words in his head. There might've been other English translations in existence 150 years ago, but the overwhelming majority of Christians were reading the same translation: the KJV. When someone quotes the NIV to me, I can't discern whether it's memorized or just paraphrasing.

Also, reading the KJV helps with bolstering my knowledge of English. I learn new [old] words, and learn original uses of words whose meanings have changed.
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>>25906
tell me what a besom is without looking it up
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>>25909
>"22For I will rise up against them, saith the LORD of hosts, and cut off from Babylon the name, and remnant, and son, and nephew, saith the LORD. 23I will also make it a possession for the bittern, and pools of water: and I will sweep it with the besom of destruction, saith the LORD of hosts."
Isaiah 14:22-23 KJV
From the context of something God is sweeping with, I'd guess "a broom".

Whether my answer is correct or incorrect, it still helps my learning. When I come across a word I don't know, I take it as an opportunity to look it up (which I will do after I click 'reply').
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>>25918
Nice
>>25918
Broom of destruction +1
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Christian Book Collection Downloads

https://archive.org/details/@christian_book_collection
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Richard Carrier peer review academic rebuttal. Use when that brit schizo spams his book on 4chan
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Since this is somewhat the default education thread for this board, I am going to drop this off here. This is the complete 81-lecture course from Wheaton College on The History of Philosophy by Christian philosopher Dr. Arthur F. Holmes. I have not completed the entire course, but it is invaluable, and I find it goes along well if you also read from Frederick Copleston's 9-volume work A History of Philosophy. Provided is a short clip on Hegel and German Idealism.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yat0ZKduW18&list=PL9GwT4_YRZdBf9nIUHs0zjrnUVl-KBNSM
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I see Christians posting who cannot handle the reality of the 73 races of God Almighty. It is fundamental that devout Christians understand sociology, ethnicity, and what in-group cohesion really is.

> M 𐤇
>Pictographic Hebrew Ham, or cHam- Separate Blood, Separate Intelligence
>Race and ethnicity aren’t real

Africans are my family but this truth is undeniable.

Africans/ cHam are blessed like the rest of us, and interracial marriage is not a sin. But they really do have slightly lower mathematical intelligence, but yet are more creative; and they are faster than us and we are stronger than them, as with all of the sons of Cham; this much cannot be denied. They are slightly different than other races.

Simply put, Whites, Middle Easterners, and Asians were 98% of the human population because only they have the ability to develop civilization. This is why they had such high populations and Africa could not catch up until 1650 to 1700 AD, when Europe began conquering them and giving them all their technology. Africans, Australasians, Melanesians, Indonesians, Dravidians, Berbers, Sudanese, Canaanites: they were only meant to be 2 to 5% of the population. Intelligence means farming means huge populations.

Intelligence/ Wisdom/ Depth is genetic and passed through heritage. This is the meaning of the Hebrew word MEM, or blood.
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But I could not care less about genetic intelligence. It is all about identity, cohesion, and meaning. God the Holy Trinity just made ethnic groups to be different. Black people can be sevants and geniuses in multiple fields, STEM, sports or otherwise. It is what it is. There is probably less than 100 years left before Jesus Christ returns. This is why I cannot care less about interracial sex or interracial marriage.

Now as you know,  throughout all time mathematically 1 of 8 people will have the interracial sex or the interracial marriage. I consider all mankind my family without exception.

Simply put, at the tower of babel, God the Holy Trinity divided up the races. It was He who made them, gave them their land, their language, their culture. Who made White people? Who made middle easterners? Who made Black people? Who made Asian people? Was it us? No; God molded Noah’s sons in the womb. It was God’s Will that the 73 races exist, and it is God’s will that they will exist until the last day.
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>inb4 some doofus says culture does not effect you

Where does culture come from? It comes from the slightly different mental acuities between ethnicities, families, and mating practices combined with environmental and lived experiences. It is a family memory, and that memory helps guide oneself away from sin or anything harmful/ self destructive.

The Jews/ Canaanites/ Black Wizards are trying to destroy God’s order by making everyone, white, black, or asian, a single race and culture, without any heritage or identity. Just blob beings that they can abuse however they want. They will fail of course, because people naturally want something in common with their children, whether that be phenotype, language, culture, a specific sport or martial art, something. This and the vast majority of the world does not want to mix themselves into this serf class. The world would literally end before this happens; this is actually what I believe will be the fuse for WW3.

Do you see Japan excited to import millions of immigrants, white, black, or asian? No. This is because although they have some minorities they understand what it means to be Japanese. Is Japan racist for this? I guess? What does racism even mean? Mass immigration done by the Jews is clearly punishment on the West for allowing homosexuality and transsexuality, and I know that the Europeans will repel these invaders, regain a homogeneous society, and undo the damage caused on their peoples, just in time for worldwide communism from the Jews. Great. 

I could not care less what ethnicity my grandchildren will be. I have a very simple maxim; my children will marry people with an iq of 120 or higher, regardless of ethnicity, and they share my culture somehow. Whoever reads this; if you are dating or married, grandfather in your girlfriend/ wife in and set this maxim for your children. If you are single, meet an intelligent woman. This goes for anyone who reads this; white, black, or asian. You can lower or raise that IQ requirement IRDC.
>Im a devout Christian, i dont care about nations or cultures, i only focus on how i and my family sins

But why should a devout Christian care about any of this? 

If China decided to send over to America 100 Million Chinese within 10 years, everyday life would be changed, day-to-day interactions would be fundamentally changed forever, and that changes if and how you and your family sin.

Because although there is no Jew nor Greek in the next world as there we will all have the Adamic ethnicity, culture is spiritual in the sense that your environment that you choose or make creates your choices and actions. This variance even occurs between European nations, even European nations which are the same ethnicity. Growing up in a poor American mountain town in North Dakota riddled with drugs vs. the loving surburbs in Wisconsin. I don’t judge people that come from those places, but I am not raising my kids there; I am raising my children in the best environment possible. Similarly, this includes the environment that is the nation or state one resides in. 

I’m raising my future children in the suburbs or a small town in the US or Canada unless I move to Eastern Europe or Asia, and if Africa then a small island nation or a nation devoid of conflict. I’m not raising them in fucking south Side Chicago Parkway Gardens/ O-block or Detroit because it is ‘diverse.’ Neither am I sending them to Brazil or Central India. My future children will most likely be European, so I will raise them European, and I will surround them and they will only interact with the most intelligent and kind individuals, white black or asian. To do otherwise would be retarded. Everyone should do this, white, black, or asian.
Another example; Latvia, Azerbaijan. Singapore, even Mauritius, Cabo Verde, and Kenya: these places are super traditional and conservative compared to the United States. Live here for a year and you will see how strange the United States has really become, with no in-group cohesion. Only in America and Canada do you have to play this neighborhood gamble when you move, where good and bad sides of town are cut out like a jigsaw puzzle. Nowhere else on earth has this; there are clearly defined good sides of town and bad sides of town. A corrupt nation without in-group cohesion makes it harder for people to follow the ten commandments, to follow God, to love Him; it makes it more difficult but it is possible; you will have to accept you are the spiritual minority in a sea of evil.

Homogeneous societies will always have a better in-group social cohesion than without. God always intended for homogeneous societies, as we see in the tower of babel. Societies are simply not meant to be mixed to the point where languages and cultures are mixed and there is no common underlying factor. Homogeneous societies are always without exception more peaceful, more harmonious, and have minimal crime. One only needs to compare Cyprus vs Mauritius vs Japan vs the horrid United States to see this in action. Even Russia does not have these problems; in Russia they have a nationalist bent and understanding, and the ethnicities have grown alongside one another for hundreds of years, and are much closer to each other in terms of lineage.

If you throw too many kinds of metals in a melting pot, you will fucking ruin the pot and the leftover metal is unworkable.
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