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Gulag for interesting offtopic discussions.
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>>14366
>Ruby which is basically lisp
In which way? I don't think so at all.
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>>14389
>Steve Klabnik's insane man-hating girlfriend, Ashley Williams. 
He simps for her but there's no way she's fucking him.

>>14390
>This is one of the reason why Rust isn't/shouldn't be taken seriously, as they focus on drama and politics instead of solving problems (like many other projects recently).
Rust has it worse than most because from the start they made a decision to get as many people involved with the project regardless of talent. Pull requests to fix spelling mistakes in the docs and people answering simple questions on irc were celebrated as much as people who were designing the type engine. They thought they were being inclusive and diverse and democratic and communist but of course they just got flooded with entitled talentless trannies who used the project as a soapbox for drama and current year politics.

That's why there's so much controversy about adding rust to the kernel. Trannies get a one line change merged and then they're like "now that I'm a valuable contributor I demand that we rewrite all this code in rust". To which the people who actually do all the work respond "No. Fuck off.".

But they got linus. I don't know how. Some people think it's his out of control teenage feminist daughter who is swaying his politics. Some people think they have undisclosed #metoo allegations to blackmail him with. It's probably not about money since he already has a ton of that. But the thing is, everything linus said about C++ in his famous rant also applies to rust. Whoever is behind the effort to force rust into the kernel has done a scary good job of shutting up linus.

>>14392
http://www.randomhacks.net/2005/12/03/why-ruby-is-an-acceptable-lisp/
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>>12797
This bash script should do the same. Don't have anything to test it with though.
#!/bin/bash
echo "<html><style>html {writing-mode: vertical-rl; text-orientation: upright;}</style><body><p>" > out.html
sed -e 's|\([\x{3040}-\x{309F}]+\)\(《[\x{3040}-\x{30FF}]+》\)|<ruby>\1<rt>\2</rt></ruby>|g' -e 's/|//g' -e 's/《//g' -e 's/》//g' -e 's.\n.</p><p>.g' -e 's/\&/\&amp;/g' -e 's/</\&lt;/g' -e 's/\>/\&gt;/g' $1 >> out.html
echo "</p></body></html>" >> out.html
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>>14400
Oh wrong order
#!/bin/bash
echo "<html><style>html {writing-mode: vertical-rl; text-orientation: upright;}</style><body><p>" > out.html
sed  -e 's/\&/\&amp;/g' -e 's/</\&lt;/g' -e 's/\>/\&gt;/g' -e 's|\([\x{3040}-\x{309F}]+\)\(《[\x{3040}-\x{30FF}]+》\)|<ruby>\1<rt>\2</rt></ruby>|g' -e 's/|//g' -e 's/《//g' -e 's/》//g' -e 's.\n.</p><p>.g' $1 >> out.html
echo "</p></body></html>" >> out.html
>>13038
>>14391
Put another one in the list of things people should have learned from Lisp but didn't.
>>14399
>http://www.randomhacks.net/2005/12/03/why-ruby-is-an-acceptable-lisp/
Hold it right there. You just recited some sensationalist heading without actually reading the article.
Aside from both being scripting languages they have almost nothing in common.
The author explains on Hackernews that he wrote this article after switching from LISP to Ruby.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12470715
They don't actually have anything to do with each other. It's just his personal experience.

Let me also correct a grave mistake in the article
>Of course, this is only a hint of what you can do with lambda. Languages which favor this style of programming are called functional languages, because they work with functions.
This is wrong. Languages that have lambdas are not functional languages.

https://www.geeksforgeeks.org/functional-programming-paradigm/
>Concepts of Functional Programming
>    Pure functions
>    Recursion
>    Referential transparency
>    Functions are First-Class and can be Higher-Order
>    Variables are Immutable
Ruby does not encourage or make it convenient for the programmer to use pure functions or recursion. x = x + 1 Ruby doesn't give any fucks about referential transparency. Lambdas exist but that's not enough. Variables are MUTABLE. Even strings which I don't really like.
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>>14404
You mean Python.
>>14408
>Hold it right there. You just recited some sensationalist heading without actually reading the article.
The creator of the language literally said so
>Ruby is a language designed in the following steps:
>
> - take a simple lisp language (like one prior to CL).
> - remove macros, s-expression.
> - add simple object system (much simpler than CLOS).
> - add blocks, inspired by higher order functions.
> - add methods found in Smalltalk.
> - add functionality found in Perl (in OO way).
>
>So, Ruby was a Lisp originally, in theory.
https://softwareengineering.stackexchange.com/questions/328029/why-did-ruby-creator-chose-to-use-the-concept-of-symbols/328054
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>>14422
But it is not now.
Even if it was literally LISP: Many LISP dialects and programs written with it are regular imperative programs and don't follow the functional paradigm.
Ruby is not a functional programming language.
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It's like saying an apple is a banana if the apple was softer, sweeter, yellow, long and bend and easy to peel.
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So, the banana was an apple originally, in theory.
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>>14423
>>14424
>>14425
Nobody cares about your desperate need for validation through scoring internet points. 

The original question was >>14351
>Is Lisp popular in Japan? 
And the answer is yes Japan's most successful programming language Ruby was based on lisp.
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>>14427
Ruby is clearly influenced by many languages and many other languages resemble Ruby a lot more than LISP. Most of all Lua:
variable = true
if variable then
	print("Hello World!\n")
end
while(variable) do
	print("This works in Ruby!\n")
	break
end
print("As well as in Lua!\n")
>Nobody cares about your desperate need for validation through scoring internet points. 
You should shut the fuck up, you stupid nigger. Wrote zero lines of code but masturbates about LISP machines and the PDP-11.
>>12931
jewish "?" 4chan spam thread fuck you kike
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>>14429
>>14430
What do we have here? The blackest gorilla in the jungle.
If you don't like it, don't bump it.
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>>14428
>Ruby is a language designed in the following steps:
> - take a simple lisp language (like one prior to CL).
>So, Ruby was a Lisp originally
t. the dude who made Ruby.

>You should shut the fuck up, you stupid nigger.
You should find a better source of validation than strangers on the internet.
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>>14432
More likely scenario: Slit eye lied at a LISP conference.
Everything you showed was anecdotal evidence rather than any real comparison. Even Perl resembles Ruby more than LISP does.
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*Lightweight Languages conference
And while we're at it: Ruby is anything but lightweight.
>>14433
>More likely scenario: Slit eye lied at a Lightweight Languages conference
Took me a while to figure out what the fuck you're talking about

http://www.randomhacks.net/2005/12/03/why-ruby-is-an-acceptable-lisp/
>More posts
>    Lightweight Languages 2 Conference (MIT, 2002)
>    Pair programming with ChatGPT: A simple dice roller
>    Bare Metal Rust 2: Retarget your compiler so interrupts are not evil
>    Proving sorted lists correct using the Coq proof assistant
>    Smart classification using Bayesian monads in Haskell
>More posts
More posts lol. Lightweight Languages conference was under the more posts section.

>Slit eye
Eric Kidd doesn't sound like an asian name to me.

Has anyone told you you get pretty retarded when you're angry.

>Even Perl resembles Ruby more than LISP does.
Matz did steal a lot of stuff from perl.
Symbols and using question marks in function names are two syntactic things there were directly inherited from lisp.
https://www.rubyguides.com/2018/02/ruby-symbols/
https://apidock.com/ruby/Array/include%3F
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>>14436
>Eric Kidd doesn't sound like an asian name to me.
But the creator of Ruby is and he gave the talk.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12470715
<Around the same time, I'd heard Matz speak to a room full of 'Lisp hackers at the Lightweight Languages conference'. He'd elegantly explained why Ruby was cool several years before Rails became widespread. But I don't think many of us understood what he was saying until later.
So that's where the association of Ruby with LISP comes from. He inflated it and it is not representative of the actual closeness of the two languages.

>Symbols and using question marks in function names are two syntactic things there were directly inherited from lisp.
Copying one thing from a language isn't called inheriting when there is no descendance.
Naming schemes are not part of the syntax strictly speaking.
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>>14431
>>14430
>don't call out the glowie spam goy, just ignore it. 

Fuck you kike
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>>14451
If this board wasn't dead, I'd report you for being retarded.
>>14404
>>14433
"everything you know about haskell and lisp, I know about interrupt routines, nigger. How about dem apples huh? How about dem? Fuck yourself nigger"

https://vimeo.com/525655127?share=copy#t=715.853
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>>14453
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Someone should make an Linux with all ZIP files and FILE_ID.DIZ. 8.3 filenames case insensitive file system with drive letters, and none of those stupid directory structures. Init reads CONFIG.SYS and AUTOEXEC.BAT, and starts COMMAND.COM. You can't login and you can't logout. :D
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>>14437
>So that's where the association of Ruby with LISP comes from. He inflated it and it is not representative of the actual closeness of the two languages.
Lisp was a dead language in 1992 nevermind 2002. Why would he go out of his way to lie about the connection between his language he wants to shill and a dead language nobody cares about. It wasn't even a lisp conference if it was all lies why not lie about being based on a more popular language.

>Copying one thing from a language isn't called inheriting when there is no descendance.
From the words of the creator >>14422 he started with lisp and then added/removed stuff from there. Symbols are one of the things he didn't remove.

>Naming schemes are not part of the syntax strictly speaking.
Basically no languages support question marks in identifier names expect lisp and ruby.

>>14459
>Someone should...
It's all open source my dude. Nothing is stopping you except your own ignorance and lack of talent.
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>>14464
> It's all open source
Yeah but that doesn't mean much, because the kernel is a monster compared to the 90's, and they're just going to make it worse (with e.g. Rust or whatever they come up with next). So it just wouldn't be a fun project today.
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>>14464
>>14465
I hate hypocritical "heh, be the change you want to see in the world" fags.
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>>14468
>I hate hypocritical "heh, be the change you want to see in the world" fags.
I hate literal "somebody else needs to do this work for me for free" entitled brats more.
>>14464
>he started with lisp
No, it's how he explains his language design.
The ruby interpreter was not originally a lisp interpreter.
>It wasn't even a lisp conference
But according Eric Kidd on Hackernews the people there in 2005 were mostly Lips programmers and Matz' email comparison is from 2006.
https://web.archive.org/web/20070116034916/https://blade.nagaokaut.ac.jp/cgi-bin/scat.rb/ruby/ruby-talk/179642

Coincidence? I think not.

>Basically no languages support question marks in identifier names expect lisp and ruby.
That may be but it's a rather trivial aspect. My example >>14428 should have shown you that other languages had a greater impact on Ruby.
Ruby doesn't meet enough criteria to belong to the Lisp language family or be called a functional language.
It's not even similar. Tcl is similar to Lisp. Tcl has 12 syntax rules. That's a few more than Lisp. Ruby on the other hand has hundreds of syntax rules. And that's just one aspect.
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>>14470
<he started with lisp
>No, it's how he explains his language design.
ok, in his design he started with lisp

>Ruby doesn't meet enough criteria to belong to the Lisp language family or be called a functional language.
You're just moving the goal posts again.
> - take a simple lisp language (like one prior to CL).
> - remove macros, s-expression.
>...

>My example >>14428 should have shown you that other languages had a greater impact on Ruby.
<Ruby which is basically lisp with a more conventional C-like syntax.
Just saying "muh syntax" over and over is not an intelligent counter-argument.

>That may be but it's a rather trivial aspect.
So trivial there was no reason to waste time adding it unless lisp was the main driving force at that point in the language design.

>Coincidence? I think not.
Why does it have to be a coincidence. Matz grew up in japan where lisp had a strong influence on compsci education, he used lisp as the starting point for a new language he created. He gave a talk about it at a conference because it's the truth and he still likes lisp.

Your argument is that ruby has nothing to do with lisp and the creator wastes his time lying and sucking the dicks of a dead language community for zero payoff because you have to "win" because your ego is so fragile you can't just admit you were wrong and jumped into this thread halfcocked.
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>>14472
>ok, in his design he started with lisp
You can't be sure of that. It's just an anecdote and many people make up anecdotes that sound good when it's convenient.
>he used lisp as the starting point for a new language he created
No proofs.
>He gave a talk about it at a conference because it's the truth and he still likes lisp.
If he prefers it then why did he make his own non-Lisp language?

ruby has nothing to do with lisp and the creator wastes his time lying and sucking the dicks of a dead language community
I couldn't have said it better!
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And keep in mind that 2006 was 18 years ago. During the time that passed Lisp usage has decreased relative to other languages. I wouldn't be sure Matz still claims today what he did back then.
Ruby is just Fortran masquerading as Javascript. Trust me, my dad works for Matz.
>>14473
>You can't be sure of that
Occam's razor:
>Matz used lisp as a starting point for ruby and then mentioned it because it's the truth
>The similarities between ruby and lisp is just a coincidence and Matz lied about it for no reason

>If he prefers it then why did he make his own non-Lisp language?
Because s-expression suck. 
>Ruby which is basically lisp with a more conventional C-like syntax.
> - remove macros, s-expression.

>And keep in mind that 2006 was 18 years ago. During the time that passed Lisp usage has decreased relative to other languages.
Remember when I said
<Lisp was a dead language in 1992 nevermind 2002
If anything lisp is more popular now than 2006 because of clojure and guix.
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>>14476
>If anything lisp is more popular now than 2006 because of clojure and guix.
I said relative. Everything has grown but Lisp has grown less.

We're playing this game for five days now.
I've explained in length why Lisp and Ruby are totally different while you just insist upon them being similar because the creator said so in 2005 and 6.
I'm done explaining.
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>>14478
>Everything has grown but Lisp has grown less.
So many Visual Basic 2005 programmers still around in 2024. Fuck I can't keep track of them all. When was the last scheme standard, 2013? That's definitely a growing language.

>I said relative.
Yet again you were wrong and trying to weasel out of it.

>I'm done explaining.
You didn't explain shit. All you did was write hello world in lua and throw a tantrum for 5 days. The sad thing is you don't even have to admit you were wrong, all you have to do is stop responding and move on with your life.
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>>14480
>You didn't explain shit.
What about syntax complexity? I showed you that Lisp and Tcl have few rules while Ruby has many.
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>>14481
>What about syntax complexity?
<Ruby which is basically lisp with a more conventional C-like syntax
< - remove macros, s-expression.
<Just saying "muh syntax" over and over is not an intelligent counter-argument.
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>>14482
A programming language is defined in terms of syntax and semantics.
If you don't care about syntax at all then we are left with semantics.
And since I'm done explaining, I'll pose the question to Bing Copilot for you.
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>>14483
>he resorts to AI spam now
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>>14484
Refute any point in the image.
>>14483
>A programming language is defined in terms of syntax and semantics.
The whole thread started with "ruby is lisp without the syntax". You started talking about syntax because you literally forgot what the argument was about and got distracted with being a mindless contrarian.

>i'm done explaining f-f-for real this time
ok bro

>Bing Copilot 
Didn't even know bing had an AI assistant. You should consider getting a better job if that's all they can afford.

>Refute any point in the image.
1. - remove macros, s-expression.
2. - add simple object system (much simpler than CLOS).
 - add blocks, inspired by higher order functions.
3. https://www.rubyguides.com/2018/02/ruby-symbols/
4.  - remove macros, s-expression.
5. AI has no logical reasoning, just because ruby has exceptions doesn't mean you have to use them
6. syntax again
7. ruby uses ! to mark functions that are mutable just like scheme. I forgot about that one thanks.
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>>14486
>code as data
<Ruby symbols
Retard
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>>14459
Install FreeDOS? It even has a package manager! I recommend using a VM because hardware support is not  the greatest probably (in fact HP used to offer laptops with FreeDOS preinstalled but the actual system would use Linux and Xen and boot to FreeDOS VM). 

>>14470
>Tcl
I need to learn it and make a Scheme/Forth interpreter that has Tk integration. one day perhaps....
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>>14524
>It even has a package manager! 
https://freedos.org/books/get-started/10-using-fdimples/
I'll be damned. Guess I should really go around installing both FreeDOS and one of the BSDs on one of my ancient IBM Thinkpads. I'm leaning towards NetBSD, mostly because I just need a *NIX to have an SSH connection to move files, and maybe to use it as an X11 client sometimes.
>>14487
Imagine being so petty you have to make up a strawman nobody said just to get the last word.

>>14524
>I need to learn it and make a Scheme/Forth interpreter that has Tk integration
tcl is not a good language. If you want an embedable scripting language then guile and lua are better alternatives. You don't need to use tcl to use tk and tk is not the only lightweight gui library either.
https://vanderburg.org/old_pages/Tcl/war/0000.html
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I have a tech job because i have used imageboards for vast majority of my life, tech boards spesifically. Going into tech was one of my dreams as that was what every 'happy" person was doing on the internet because it was much money for little work. 
Well was it a lie! People in tech fucking suck since they all are oddballs in all kinds of bad ways. From narcissists to people that genuinely believe only the FAGMAN can write good software.
There are also mac's everywhere, no linux in sight. Even when we use linux there is a web UI that obscures the shell soo i can't be in the comfortable place that is the shell. And using webUI's to do anything on servers(cpanel, mainly) is slowing me down extensively.

My main point is that i fucking hate every single user in every tech board, i hope congolese niggers rape your mother and you. I wasn't happier working blue collar jobs where i worked 8 gajilions hours in factories where my you could smell the rust in your nostrils hours after leaving the facility but at least i had a hobby, now my hobby is my job and i don't particularly enjoy my job.
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>>14545
>felling for tech job meme
>blames anons
Checks out. What were you thinking making your life choices from posts? You no one to blame but yourself for being retarded. Yes, most tech workers are nigger faggots who are only there for the money, especially the management above them. What you need is to grind until you have your own shop or work for better retards who will pay you for doing 5 mins of work everyday, then you have the rest of the day. Work should never play a big part of your life and if it does, you are officially a good goy. Work is the unfortunate slavery that serf like us have to do.
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>>14546
I swear myself most, don't worry about it, but all this rage can't be directed to a single person
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>>14539
Maybe that dude just likes Tcl. I like BASIC, and especially I love PRINT TAB, I just can't get enough of PRINT TAB! I'm tired of scrolling through listings full of LOCATE statements. Give me that good old PRINT TAB!
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>>14545
OSX is actually pretty cool once you learn how to use it powerfully. I don't use it because fuck Apple hardware and fuck spyware, but if your goal is just to sit down and work with minimal fuss its great. It is of course BSD based so using its terminal is very familiar.
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>>14357
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>>14404
>>14423
Alright listen you little faggots, you ever write an interrupt routine? Do you even know what am interrupt routine is? How about you try writing an interrupt routine in lisp. Everything you know about haskell and lisp, I know about interrupt routines. Fuck yourself nigger.
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>>14550
Everything you don't know about Lisp I know about interrupt routines. It's not like you can only know one language dickhead, I also did interrupts in 8086 assembly.

Also, Common Lisp is the only one of the "scripting languages" that is for white men.
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>>14547
Blame the jew and youself for failing to remove them. That's how I do it.
>>14549
OSX is pure faggotry because of its UI. Imagine not being able to turn off animation. Even windows can have its animation turned off. It suffers arguably more 'internal hiding' than windows, where when you want to debug something or when the system doesn't boot, you are shown a sad emoji and no logs. Or you have yo use some weird key combo to assess secret features.
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The only good Apple product was their 8-bit computer line. Mac was overpriced and aimed at corporate market, not hobbyists. That's also where the :-( crash screens come from.
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>>14454
>>5022 (OP) 
 Why systemd is a problem for embedded Linux 
https://kevinboone.me/systemd_embedded.html
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you now need an email to post on 4cuck apparently
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>>14623
That only makes a difference if you regularly post on that shithole. If you only have to make a post every couple months, a 15 minute timer makes no difference. And if you don't visit it at all, it literally makes no difference.
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https://github.com/yokoffing/Betterfox/blob/main/Fastfox.js
This is pretty handy, even if you don't use this User.js file, you can look at the source to see about:config options that you can change to decrease RAM usage or increase performance on SJWFox, such as "browser.tabs.unloadOnLowMemory" to "true", "accessibility.force_disabled" to "1", and "browser.sessionhistory.max_total_viewers" to "4".
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>>14620
It's interesting reading a Red Hat guy thoughts and experiences on systemd, even though he dismisses criticism of it.
He goes into how much memory it takes on his RPi3 compared to smaller software and even one his own solutions.
Further he points some design issues on systemd, like tight integration between its components making replacement harder and all the libraries it dynamically links.
Another peculiar bit in his post is how he wasn't aware of major systemd-free distros, being suprised by the demand for them.
>>14629
Thanks for sharing, seems like some of these options may be useful on Tor Browser as well.
Also:
>"accessibility.force_disabled"
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Here's a shell function that copies a file into /tmp with a new filename based on its sha256 hash. Handy when posting on imageboards that don't hash image filenames (such as ZZZchan onion service, for some reason >>4815 ), etc.
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>>14671
Quote link meant for >>>/meta/4815 ...
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>>2424
I come four years later to say kill yourself for posting blacked gangbang shit even if it's non-explicit and part of a joke.
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>>14689
You brown puritans are annoying, it's just a joke get over it. Why do you even care if niggers fucked White characters?
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>>14690
Expected "opinion" from an Israeli puppet-worshiping namefag.
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A dude's patch for Project Reactor (something Java related) was rejected because he may be Russian, that led to some funny reactions:
>Thank you for this contribution.
>Unfortunately, as a project stewarded by Broadcom, we are unable to accept contributions from Russian sources due to Broadcom export policy at this time.
>Thanks for your continued use of Spring.
The original PR: https://github.com/reactor/reactor-core/pull/3897 (https://archive.is/TUjjq , unfortunately not archived elsewhere)
And a repost of the PR by the same guy under a different account: https://github.com/reactor/reactor-core/pull/3921 (https://web.archive.org/web/20241107135936/https://github.com/reactor/reactor-core/pull/3921 )
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>>14706
I want this clown world to end.
^
Just for Anons' information, the above poster is gay because that's a picture of a trap.
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>>14716
^ He doesn't about the shell's trap command, or SIGTRAP.
>>14716
Meant for >>14715
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TL;DR is just human-made lossy compression for text.
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Good thread OP.
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I didn't have much luck with my upgrade. Now some daemons get Killed at boot. This time it was smtpd and sshd, but also it happened with syslogd at the previous boot.
I guess this is the result of mitigations, but it's gone out of control or something. Also the smptd shows an error in logs.
Nov 22 04:32:15 arm64 smtpd[41851]: info: OpenSMTPD 7.6.0 starting
Nov 22 04:32:15 arm64 smtpd[24263]: scheduler: imsg_wait: No such file or directory
Nov 22 04:32:15 arm64 smtpd[98310]: queue: imsg_wait: No such file or directory
I'm not doing anything custom, just the default local mail. I didn't even install any packages yet. Only ran syspatch to install the 5 updates.
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>>14872
Run smtpd on its own in debug mode with verbose.
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>>14873
It kinda sounds like some socket or such is missing, and then the smtpd is exiting on its own. But I'm more concerned about this Killed business. Pic is just a simple ls|grep (alias v='ls -l').

arm64# smtpd -dv
debug: init ssl-tree
debug: init ca-tree
debug: init ssl-tree
debug: using "fs" queue backend
debug: using "ramqueue" scheduler backend
debug: using "ram" stat backend
info: OpenSMTPD 7.6.0 starting
debug: init ssl-tree
debug: init ca-tree
debug: init ssl-tree
debug: using "fs" queue backend
debug: using "ramqueue" scheduler backend
debug: using "ram" stat backend
setup_peer: lookup -> control[28426] fd=4
setup_peer: lookup -> dispatcher[7617] fd=5
debug: init ssl-tree
debug: init ssl-tree
debug: init ca-tree
debug: init ca-tree
debug: init ssl-tree
debug: init ssl-tree
debug: using "fs" queue backend
debug: using "ramqueue" scheduler backend
debug: using "ram" stat backend
debug: using "fs" queue backend
debug: using "ramqueue" scheduler backend
debug: using "ram" stat backend
setup_peer: lookup -> queue[67543] fd=6
setup_peer: control -> crypto[39015] fd=4
setup_peer: queue -> control[28426] fd=4
setup_peer: control -> lookup[18494] fd=5
setup_peer: queue -> dispatcher[7617] fd=5
setup_peer: control -> dispatcher[7617] fd=6
setup_peer: queue -> lookup[18494] fd=6
setup_peer: control -> queue[67543] fd=7
setup_peer: queue -> scheduler[87458] fd=7
setup_peer: control -> scheduler[87458] fd=8
debug: init ssl-tree
debug: init ca-tree
debug: init ssl-tree
debug: using "fs" queue backend
debug: using "ramqueue" scheduler backend
debug: using "ram" stat backend
setup_peer: crypto -> control[28426] fd=4
setup_peer: crypto -> dispatcher[7617] fd=5
setup_proc: crypto done
setup_done: ca[39015] done
setup_proc: control done
setup_done: control[28426] done
setup_proc: lookup done
setup_done: lka[18494] done
queue: imsg_wait: No such file or directory
debug: ca -> parent: pipe closed
debug: ca agent exiting
debug: lka -> parent: pipe closed
debug: lookup agent exiting
debug: control -> scheduler: pipe closed
debug: control agent exiting
arm64# echo $?
141
arm64#
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I guess it's totally fucked. 7.3 was working fine though, and I still have that one on a different SD card.
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Maybe I can try this instead!
> Linux 6.6.6
> face unlock works perfectly
>>14875
>SD card
Have you checked it for bad blocks? I had a number of SD cards dying suddenly.
>>14875
Can your SBC boot from other media? SD cards are known for having low quality flash.
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It looks like the USB flash key I was using to transfer disk images to another computer was the problem. This time I zipped the file and got a CRC32 error when unzipping on the other computer.
So I switched to a USB HDD instead. But I can't use USB HDD on the target SBC because its power supply is much too weak. The only options there are SD and USB flash.
Anyway I got this installed, if it works maybe that's good enough for now.
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AI is fake and gay until we can recreate hollywood films and remove the niggers
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Had to fiddle with ifconfig/arp/ping/telnet to find the magic media/mediaopt setting that kinda works (not at the full speed the hardware can handle). I was hoping that would be the finish line, but it turns out firefox just crashes. Unfortunately they don't have a chromium package, and I can't imagine building that myself.
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Well it looks like this is the end of the road. I tried all their firefox packages. 129 and 128 segfault at startup (even before reaching the getopt parsing code).
Core was generated by `firefox128'.
Program terminated with signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
#0  0x0000f0b3e77a2dbc in ?? ()
(gdb) bt
#0  0x0000f0b3e77a2dbc in ?? ()
#1  0x0000f0b3e77a2db8 in ?? ()
Backtrace stopped: previous frame identical to this frame (corrupt stack?)
The older versions (115 and 52) actually start but they also have their own problems (crashing tabs). Even on OpenBSD, I had many such problems with firefox, whereas chromium ran pretty well.
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>>14894
Is Palemoon available? I think it has better old hardware support.
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>>14895
There's this (palemoon-33.4.0) and it seems to start ok. For some reason is crashes (segfault) when exiting from File menu or closing the last remaining tab, but that's not a big deal. So yeah, I'll try this one!
Description:
A customizable, privacy-respecting web browser derived from the
independent Pale Moon(tm) codebase, in turn derived from community
code from the Mozilla project.
This package is an UNOFFICIAL build and not to be confused with
official Pale Moon software available from palemoon.org.
No support is provided from Moonchild Productions - all
responsibility for this package falls on the pkgsrc community.
Pale Moon does not support NetBSD and this software has been
modified to enhance NetBSD compatibility.
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>>14929
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>>14930
Spam.
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>>14931
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> hey look, we recovered the source code for a really obscure old game!
> and now instead here's some binary we compiled for Windows and Linux
http://8bitag.com/info/weird-wood-ii.html
mfw the source code was doomed all along
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>>14958
least mentally ill collectorfag
>>14958
<Please give the game a go... you can send any feedback to Mark at mark(AT)awe.com
Well you know what to do.
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WTF is going on here.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Cover_art_for_Citadel_board_game__board_game_1976.jpg
> Source: My own copy
> File: 250 x 328 pixels. No higher resolution available.
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I need a windows 10 vm for some program that doesn't work under wine. What was the name of that project that removed spyware and auto update crap and whatnot from win10? I swear search engines are becoming more useless each day.
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>>14984
There's privatezilla and (thank you for the name, Reddit) privacy.sexy. There was also ShutUp10++ but it itself is proprietary...
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>>14963
there's nothing there
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>>14986
I fatfingered the URL, should have been this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Cover_art_for_Citadel_board_game_1976.jpg
But anyway it's the same story in other pages as well. For example this photo is also for ants:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citadel_of_Blood
But the thing is, it says in the photo page that the uploader is sending a picture of his own copy. So why is wikipedia downscaling it to ant size? Makes all their media useless.
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>>14991
They've been doing that since forever, I assume it's copyright related.
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>>14992
But the photo isn't copyrighted, some user took a photo of the cover of his game and uploaded it so there can be a pic on wikipedia. Then they fucking downscaled it to ant size.
It's not like they grabbed the photo from another site. No, a wikipedia user uploaded the photo that he took himself.
I bet you go to sites like ebay, amazon.com and tons of small independent shops and you see full size covers of books and other media. Then you go on wikipedia on you get useless ant-size. What's even the point to have a pic then, just don't have one instead of this mockery.
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>>14985
Hmm, I seem to remember something else. It was a full on guide with some powershell scripts. Maybe it did some debloating too.
>>14991
>>14993
Because of jew copyright laws. A scan/photo of a copyrighted object can be copyrighted too. It doesn't matter that you took the photo, taking a photo in itself is not copyright worthy.
If it's on amazon, they probably have permission from the publisher to use their art. So goes for other shops. Hint: most webshops just display the image they got from the manufacturer, they won't make their own photo.
Ebay probably just says it's user uploaded content, not their problem.
If you see it on some other site, that's probably just the site authors don't caring about it, which is fine until some fat lawyer decides to fuck up someone's life because that will give them a few more bucks to spend on whores.

Uploading a small resolution picture falls under "fair use". What is small resolution is debatable, if you ask me anything under 300dpi, but lawyers would probably disagree with me. Wikipedia tries to play it very safe with their thumbnail sized images. And they do it with everything, software screenshots are so low resolution that they are worse than useless.
Also, if you go to the nippon wikipedia, where the laws are even more bullshit, you'll see that like 99% of articles have 0 images.
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>>15000
> most webshops just display the image they got from the manufacturer
For the 1970's - early 80's era stuff I've been looking at, most of those manufacturers are long gone, and the products are effectively abandonware that almost nobody knows or cares about. And so they will be forgotten, and in time become totally extinct, rather than public domain.
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Why aren't you using the official weeb format instead of pleb tier stuff like ZIP and RAR?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LHA_(file_format)
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>>15002
But the law generally states death of the author + 70 years (or first publication + 120 years, in case the corporation owns the rights). And just because the manufacturer is gone, doesn't mean the IP rights wasn't purchased by some corpo for pennies when the original company went bankrupt.
Yes, total bullshit, but it's not me who is making the laws. It's especially bad with software, stuff made in the 50s-70s are still under copyright protection, when maybe you can find one computer on the whole world (probably in a museum) that could still run it (if we don't count emulation).

>>15003
ZIP works everywhere unlike LHA.
But I have no idea why would anyone use RAR. If compression matters, use tar.xz (or 7z if you're a winfag). Maybe tar.zst if you want to look like a hipster fag.
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>>14993
>But the photo isn't copyrighted, some user took a photo of the cover of his game and uploaded it so there can be a pic on wikipedia.
Copyright is more complicated than that.
For one, unless you make an explicit statement otherwise, everything is assumed to be all rights reserved. It doesn't even matter if you gave someone the photo, it's still copyrighted by you unless you say otherwise. Also, if you take a photo of a copyrighted work, your photo carries the original author's copyright, and you don't have copyright over it, and then you get into legal grey areas about fair use and derivative works which can dictate when your photo can be used and when the copyright over the photo belongs to you or the original author of the contents of the photo.

It's just jewry all around. And normalfags are propagandized to think it somehow benefits creators when creators are the people most harmed by copyright, because it's people who are doing stuff-writing software, lyrics, etc-that get struck with the copyright hammer.
There's almost nothing you can do without stepping on someone's copyright. In fact, companies deliberately copyright as much as possible and the smallest possible units of work so that if another company ever accuses them of copyright infringement, they can find a way to accuse them back, it's mutual assured jewry.

Reminder copyright was literally invented by the British royal family to censor books.

>>15002
This is another big one. With copyright, history doesn't exist. We have history because scribes copied stuff. None of Aristotle's writings survive, nothing from Plato, and almost nothing from their era, not even the bible survives. What we have are copies of copies of copies made hundreds or over a thousand years later made by scribes. And these days a scribe would be called a pirate and made to pay a gajillion dollars to shekelberg.
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>>15005
>Reminder copyright was literally invented by the British royal family to censor books.
Where we can read more about this?
>>15004
>xz
Lost all trust after the supply chain attack. zstd provides comparable compression ratio and is faster.
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Maybe I'll just go with the old CP/M stuff.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LBR_(file_format)
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>>15007
Well, if you trust something directly out of faceberg better, go with it...
And no, zstd is only really faster to decompress, on higher compression levels, zstd is way slower, and only rarely compresses better.
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>>15010
I don't trust zstd either, but xz even less. What else can you use for high ratio? p7zip?
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>>15014
This 7z shit sounds too complicated for its own good.
> arbitrary code execution
> arbitrary code execution
> arbitrary code execution
> severe Remote code execution
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P7zip#Security
>>15003
>>15008
Neither of these formats are standardized or open, plus they don't enjoy the same support ZIP has. The ZIP format is already simple enough that you can cook up a reader/writer for it in an afternoon (minus DEFLATE).

>>15004
>I have no idea why would anyone use RAR
It still beats 7z/LZMA in some cases. 
According to wikipedia the first RAR release was in 1993, so any patents should have expired by now. Yet there are no FOSS readers/writers for it unlike e.g. MP3.
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>>15024
LHA was standard on Amiga before Linux even existed. The format is open, always has been, and there's a modern/portable *nix version (lhasa).
LBR & friends were standard on CP/M before GNU even existed. I don't know if there's an "open source" modern version, but basically back then a lot of stuff was open/free code, shared via user groups and magazines like Dr. Dobbs Journal (and its predecessor publication from People's Computer Company). A lot of "open source" people don't understand there was actually a thriving code-sharing scene before Stallman got angry at a printer driver.
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>>15025
>LHA was standard on Amiga
>LBR & friends were standard on CP/M
That's not what "standardized" means.
https://www.iso.org/standard/60101.html
https://standards.iso.org/ittf/PubliclyAvailableStandards/c060101_ISO_IEC_21320-1_2015.zip
https://www.loc.gov/preservation/digital/formats/fdd/fdd000354.shtml
Standard on those platforms at the practical level (driven by grassroots adoption), not standard according to some ivory tower industry bureaucracy (driven by academia/big money).
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>>15029
Standardized means that the algorithms and file formats are specified in a document outside of the code and the document should be detailed enough that somebody can write their own version of the program. You don't need to dig around in the GCC codebase to write a C compiler for example because everything you need to know is in the standards document. If I have to dig around in the codebase of your boomer IBM Amiga 1950s magazine compression program to write my own version then it's not standardized.
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"Truth nuke", as the kids say.
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>>15031
C works just fine giganigger. Now, Linux on the other hand is an abomination.
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>>15032
Let me guess, you use OpenBSD and suckmore '"'software'"'.
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>>15030
Who cares if there's no official ANSI/ISO document, the compression algos on those old software are simple and don't need a  1000-page RFC. :D
Granted they're probably not great for compressing your 150 GB modern game, but I'm not interested in those or much of anything modern at all. Doom (1993) is like one of the last games I was into, and I don't even care about the modern remakes/ports. Also fun fact: they used LHA to compress the Doom install disks. Yeah, so it was even used by one of the most successful PC games ever, not just Amiga and older computers.
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>>15034
>the compression algos on those old software are simple and don't need a  1000-page RFC
Having a simple format definitely helps its adoption and eventual standardization, but if it's closed/proprietary then it's a nonstarter.
>LHA
Was the format ever publicly documented anywhere à la ZIP's appnote.txt?
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>>15038
I don't know what that appnote.txt is, but if there's any kind of formal document for LHA then it's probably in japanese. And I've not seen it anywhere, although I didn't look hard. Otherwise there's the old DOS source code from the late 80's, and some basic infos like here: http://justsolve.archiveteam.org/wiki/LHA
They extended the format quite a bit, and even on Amiga probably not very tool supports all compressors. I guess that probably most of those compressors aren't even widely used anyway. Some random sampling of a large number of files would tell you which are the most important ones.
Anyway that's not very interesting to me. I'm not actually a weeb (I only played a couple JRPGs on NES long ago), and don't even have an Amiga anymore for 30 years. And also that scene kinda sucks now, and quite frankly I'd have been better off to never upgrade and stay on 8-bit system forever. That's the real hobbyist zone, where one dude can realistically do it all himself.
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>>15039
>I don't know what that appnote.txt is
https://pkware.cachefly.net/webdocs/casestudies/APPNOTE.TXT
Literally the first search result for "zip appnote.txt"... Come on now.
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I went back to using more as my pager. Take that less bloatfags!
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>>15063
Imageboards are bloat, you should talk to the wall.
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>>15064
There are no doubt better options.
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>>15065
Those aren't still around are they?
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>>15063
>more
Which version?
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>>15066
They're still around (even FidoNet too!)
https://www.telnetbbsguide.com/lists/new-bbs-systems/
So are MUDs for that matter, and gopher, and various other non-web things. I even found a finger server that displays weather data (graph.no)

>>15067
BusyBox, so it doesn't even make sense to use it over less (also in BB). I just wanted to see if it works better, beause the /pattern search stuff in less is wonky ('n' key starts from the last displayed occurence rather than your current position in the file). But BB more doesn't even have a search.
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>>15068
>But BB more doesn't even have a search.
Into the trash it goes
where the hell are the imageboards fedbait spambots even coming from has someone traced the source yet?
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>>15074
Your ass
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this is now an "uptime" thread show me what you got /tech/ i know a lot of you are into this old school /g/ challenge
i will now poweroff my computer as i make this post due to a very bad system malfunction i dont know why lubuntu suddenly shat itself and now firefox refuses to play any form of video and downloading gives me "forbidden" but works fin on others now the desktop wallpaper is blank and chrome refuses to launch due to "failed to create process singleton" then sounds are absolutely broken and keeps saying connecting to pulseaudio however virtualbox and RDP still works at this very moment meanwhile on my other PC notepad just refuses to copy paste text forcing me to just save as new txt but was fixed by fully relaunching it but this time it says "root" instead of the current user IDK did it just auto update behind my back? has anyone ever experienced this or did SNAP just suddenly fail for no reason? though lastly whats a good use practical use for a cramped mini pc with soldered 8GB ram i want to scrap this entirely but didnt want to waste hardware
also does anydesk still work in china these days? im heading there in three days and need to phone home some family files upon landing
Speaking of old networking, I have to wonder how much more we could bring out from a 56kbit connection with all these fancy new compression and file sharing methods. I'm not even sure what I have in mind, other than how much I hate how bloated the internet is.
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>>15076
Right now about 2 days, because something in the PSU/Motherboard/SSD is dying and crashes every few days
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Has Stallman ever said anything about video game ROM emulation?
>>15076
Right now it's 6 days, because I accidentally turned off the UPS 6 days ago.
My highest score is 80 something days.
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>>15076
114 days on my "desktop" (an old 32-bit ARM SBC) and I guess it would run forever if power didn't go out. My other computer is a newer ARM with < 1 month uptime because I just installed NetBSD 10 on it.

>>15077
Here we don't even have copper lines anymore, it's all fibre.

Oh but all this talk about flaky hardware reminds me that gopher.su is down again. He had some kind of gopher textboard running on there, a bit hackish but fun to post on sometimes. The hardware was a  ps3 game console or similar.
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>>15082
Well, with the right equipment you could still make a local network, although that really is more of a fun project than a serious alternative to anything. Maybe applying some effort to ham radio would be a better alternative. But now that I think about it, you could have a bunch of local dial-up networks connected via radio for some real prepper /tech/.
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>>15074
Read about that "Mining The Chans" paper by some random soy think tank. CIAniggers unironically think that a bunch of NEETs are a national security thread (or they just want more money and power, like usual). I think blocking Azure and Amazon AWS IP addresses would be a good thing because they are likely using them. Another way is to require mkproof.
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>>15091
v3 and v4 were nearly identical in practice for many people, because they couldn't afford new computer, or because their ISP only provided dialup shell account (no SLIP/PPP). There's also the matter of costs. In many places, phone calls were billed by the minute, so jumping on the Mosaic/Netscape bandwagon was a bad idea, especially considering not everyone could afford latest modem. I was stuck on 28.8K for years, and one of my relatives was using an old borrowed IBM PC clone from the 80's with even slower modem, 512K RAM, two floppy drives (no HDD), and CGA screen. But it was enough to connect to ISP and run the common program like Pine and Lynx.
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>>15092
To be fair, if someone summed up the current situations in a few sentences 30-40 years down the lane, then it would sound like that all of us are either buying overpriced GPUs to run LLMs locally, or spend most of our time chatting with big tech's latest bots.
Hey anon, is it worth "upgrading" from a 2600 to a 5700? I've got a shit mobo (asus b350m) and only a single stick of ram. My current build runs everything I'm interested in... except emulating some PS2 and most PS3 games.
Given the high taxes in my country, even secondhand the 5700 is for like 160 USD. I want to upgrade but I don't see myself actually using the CPU since work is going to eat up most of my time but I also would like the opportunity to be able to play something I haven't played yet at decent framerates on some sunday I find myself free.
Usenet is sometimes brought up as this cool alternative to the internet, but after a bit of research it looks like this is how it works:
>large company hosts posts & files on its server
<you need to pay the corpo for the privilege of accessing the server
>posts & files are kept for a while (5400 days seem to be the standard)
<files can be DMCA'd, because they are hosted by corpos
>companies share the data between their servers, so that accessing one server is the same as accessing all
<but it doesn't always work, so you might need to also pay an other corpo if something is missing, because they might have it
Can't you just start a server locally, dedicate as much storage space to hosting as you want, and just subscribe to newsgroups? Sure, you'd only access posts that have been made after you've started your server, but that still beats this nonsense. And maybe you could even let others access your server, and in turn they too could subscribe to a bunch of different newsgroups. Although I guess you wouldn't see any of the posts uploaded to corpo servers, but maybe one person could subscribe to one of them, and just propagate the posts to others.
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>>15104
After some more research I've found this:
https://www.eternal-september.org/
If you look up usenet then most hits in most search engines are either directly from the big corpos, or from fucking plebbit, and the latter bunch is only interested in usenet as an alternative to torrenting. So it would be possible to just one brave soul to register there, and then provide a connection to others. Of course, the more the merrier, but registering for free is still better than paying a subscription.
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>>15106
>So it would be possible to just one brave soul to register there, and then provide a connection to others. 
Or to be more precise, one could request to peer a server with eternal september, and then others could peer with that server, but if I understand correctly those peer'd servers then could add other hierarchies and even enable file sharing if there is an interest in that. But then again, is anyone actually interested in usenet?
>>15104
Those subscription servers you're talking about, they're mostly used by warez d00dz and not much else. In the 90's it was different. Every ISP managed their own local Usenet server, with whatever newsgroups and data retention period they could afford with their resources. Actually some ISPs still have their own servers to this day, so if that's the case you don't have to pay extra to another company, unless maybe you're a warez d00d.
But you don't even have to be a part of Usenet proper to use NNTP. You can just as well run your own independent network. And it doesn't have to even be on the Internet, because it was common to route that over UUCP in the early days. And there were also FidoNet<->UUCP gateways that routed newsgroups to dialup BBS's. Then again maybe FidoNet is good enough on its own. It's probably simpler and less resource-hungry considering that BBS's were originally designed to run on 8-bit micros with only floppy drives and slow modems.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fidonet
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>>15115
>And it doesn't have to even be on the Internet, because it was common to route that over UUCP in the early days
From what I can gather modems don't work with telephone systems that compress the sound digitally, and by now that is the standard in most places, not to mention that long-distance calls are not exactly cheap in this age and day either. Packet radio is not reliable enough for the job, and I don't think that laying our own cables is realistic either.
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>>15117
>Laying cables
Launching satellites is more realistic, but still not cheap. Satellites need to be replaced every so often and there is only so much room in the orbit.
Still, it's the easiest way to build your own layer 1.
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>>15122
How about balloons? And what wireless tech would they have to use?
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>>15126
Balloons cover less area and I assume will go down faster.
Amateur radio, UHF
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/CubeSat
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>>15127
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datacasting
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blockstream
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Othernet
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toosheh
>Digital content and data is embedded in a standard TV video stream as .ts files and transmitted over a satellite TV channel.[3][4] “Audiences record this video stream from their common satellite TV receiver to a USB drive, transfer it to their smartphone or computer, and use Toosheh software to decode this video stream back into text, audio, or video files to be made available for viewing."[5] In short, content is hidden inside video files and can then be extracted for users with the Toosheh software. 
Interesting, although it also sounds quite expensive.
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>>15076
My last uptime on gentoo was 1/2 a year and I only rebooted it to run a new kernel.
>>15082
Did you actually post this from your netBSD SBC?
Which browser do you use?

>posted from my jewgle android(tm)
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in other news
ubuntu (and fedora, etc. any gnomeshit) r the stupidest fucking faggot os ive ever seen
its so pathetic im mad just cus it exists
when you install it, it makes you setup a cute little
>account user password address email gmail facebook previous address name dob age aoc gender moms maiden name frequent flyer #
so you can larp that you are doing a security thing and login to your single user system every minute where the term "login" means preciesly nothing cus u can just literally edit the ram and hdd howeer u want at any time
and you can larp that niggercorp has ur back and has an intimate relationship with u like theyll just ask u to confirm what fleshlight  you used last and they care OH so much about you and will verify ur identity cus "only u know this answer"
THEN, whenever you leave for 1 minute it goes to the lock screen
then the monitor shuts off after 5 seconds
monitors take 5 seconds to turn on, these faggots never used a monitor?
i had one of these on a throwawy box beside me
move mouse when the screen is off. no reaction after .25 seconds so i just assume its broken and  look away and go bakc to other work
then screen turns on 5 seconds later but im busy back on other work and dont notice
then i look over again
screen is off
move mouse
repeat same thing 10x
this new hypothesis appears in my head that maybe it shuts monitor after 5 seconds of inactivity (no fucking way, ive never heard of something this retarded nor this level of ecosimping)
move mouse and wait staring at screen this time
it unlocks
okay  maybe im rite 
enter pointless throwaway password like kysnigger43
oops muscle memory wasnt tuned to that, pass is wrong
no reaction after .25 seconds . since i m used to un*x i know that means the pass was wrong and it will now sit there doing nothgin for 18 seconds (pretending that bruteforce deterrance matters. on a single user system, where u can only PHYSICALLY, that shouldnt even haev a password by default)
go back to work then look back 2 minutes later when i can give a fuck again
monitor is off, forget what i was doing
after 3 hours i finally realized whats happening (its indeed shutting the monitor on the lock screen after 5 seconds of inactivity, and going to the lock screen after logging in and being inactive for 5 minutes) and was able to log in to it
literaly broken to fuck os that just wasted an hour of my time in total if u add up all the time i spent turning my head and doing something on this nigger os. the os is provne garbage b4 u even log in. gnome is complete garbagee and not even a valid product, to ANYONE. the devs should just kill themselves. it doesnt support an expert like me, it doesnt support a layman like it claims. it doesnt support ANYONE

linux community fucking morons every single person in it. this form of autistic fuckjob design is not nearly unique to gnome, its in ALL UN*X adjacent garbage
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>>15148
No, I posted that from Links browser on my 32-bit board (Linux). On the NetBSD board, I just have Palemoon. There's no Chromium, and Firefox is slow and/or buggy.
>>15167
>THEN, whenever you leave for 1 minute it goes to the lock screen
i bet it's trash lock screen that can be unlocked too. anything that isn't xscreensaver is pozzed
https://archive.is/1ZT7y
I knew they are bad, but not this bad until I read that.
I'm just fucking done. The secondhand market is fucked as shit and there's no advantage in buying a deadend platform at this point in my country. I found a 5600x with only one month's warranty left and the fuck wanted 90% the price of a brand new one.
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>>15185
What do you want on your new computer? ddr5, pcie4?
I have seen good deals in my country on threadripper and other stuff. Usually things still with warrenty are too new for second hand.
>>15185
This is a bad time of the year to buy pc hardware. I used to see 5600Xs going for $90-100 in october-november. They go for $130 brand new here. 

Try making offers to them. Sometimes you can knock $5-10 off if you ask nicely.
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it's so tiresome to deal with botnets
people are selling 4060 at my place for 400e
>>15215
>What's your opnion on Haiku OS?
Nonfree
https://www.gnu.org/distros/common-distros.html
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>>15227
An ideological cultist isn't a free man, is he?
https://web.archive.org/web/20241211205834/https://digdeeper.club/graves/freetardism.xhtml
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>>15228
GNUfags are even more retarded than your meme gives them credit for because they don't even recognize firefox as "free".
https://wl.vern.cc/wiki/GNU_IceWeasel
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>>15229
To be fair Firefox contains a lot of shit it shouldn't and slowly tries to take the users' freedoms away. Shit like implementing DRM in the browser instead of saying NO to platforms like Netflix.
>>15228
>>15229
"Freetards" aren't the enemy because they don't force you to do anything. Contrast that with modern proprietary software that has EULAs that prohibit tinkering, modifications, alternative clients (like Discord) and even spy on you. But if you use EULA or don't release the source, "freetards" will just say that your software is not libre software and they won't use your software. But no one is forced to do what Stallman or the FSF says. The choice is up to you.
Today I learned that all flash drives, SSDs and SD cards have a CPU inside of them!
>https://media.ccc.de/v/30C3_-_5294_-_en_-_saal_1_-_201312291400_-_the_exploration_and_exploitation_of_an_sd_memory_card_-_bunnie_-_xobs

This means that a ((( malicious ))) flash drive could store files even if you "delete" or "overwrite" them or it could switch your file (like your encryption key) to a forgery.
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>we're not your enemy because we're not directly forcing you to do anything
>but we will try to socially shame you aggressively and at every turn
>but we're not your enemy
yiddic-gynic word games in full swing here
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>>15260
More like
>free software users gloat about their freedom
<how dare ANYONE use anything that I don't like
<proceed to argue and lose
<REEEE free software is my enemy
Didn't know free software means free rent.
>>15260
Is it hard to understand? If you use proprietary software, you must accept the EULA. It's legally binding document.  It can say that you can't use the program for certain purposes (like commercial use) or you need to accept that you can't try to remove telemetry/spyware features from the product. But when you use free software, you aren't forced to do anything. Because you are free to use the program for any purpose you wish. You can also make modifications and tinker with the source. You just need to distribute the source code of your fork to the users of your derivatives (because without the source, they wouldn't have the same rights).
>>5022 (OP) 
WPAD  is still used and it's bad.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwsykPWa5Lc
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Why is archive.today unanimously treated on imageboards as the "based" alternative to archive.org when unlike the latter, it forces you to solve diabolical ((( ReCuckptchas ))) on Tor/VPN even just for viewing it?
Feeling like I should upgrade, any recs?
>Current build
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/h4D7v4
>>15277
What do you use your computer for? Or to put it differently: are you sure that what you really need is not a downgrade instead? You could get a SoC or an old Thinkpad and see if you can live under the principle of more is less.
>>15277
You already have a high end computer with recent parts. There's no point in building something more powerful, it won't be much better. The most you can do is get more memory.
>>15277
You don't need to upgrade anything. The only thing that's maybe worth is to get more RAM.  You could add another HDD if you need more space.
>>15276
I think it's because a few years ago it worked with no captcha, no js, and even had an onionsite
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https://github.com/konamicode9/nntpchan
it is being actively developed or if anyone here would like to try nntpchan and peer with my node feel free to
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>>15291
Not joining your discord bud
>>15291
The problem is you have an imageboard added on top of a nice simple old protocol. It's like taking a healthy meal and dumping HFCS and other crap into it.
nigger
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rule #1: if you suggest installing a plugin, you are a tranny
>tor browser search defaults to duckduckgo
>puts their gay redirector in front of every link so you have twices as much of a chance of it failing on already slow connection
solution: nothing good. currently add 10 instances of searx/librex/librey to your bookmarks with keywords (s1, s2, s3.. s10) so you can type "s1 how to kill matthew prince" then "s2 how to kill matthew prince" if it fails
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Quit shilling sites that work as well as invidious.
Also sturgeon you faggot,I like the crazy range bans.
Did the egyptians put you up to it?
>>15310
>HN needs google captcha to sign up which records your mouse movements to uniquely identify you and report back to the NSA
solution: about:config javascript.enabled false
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>>15310
>rule #1: if you suggest installing a plugin, you are a tranny
Do you mean that modularity is bad?
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>retarded consumer faggot digital arts wigger on a forced webshit (aka no value prop) platform has a crises when he discovers the platform is indeed forced and his idea of "community" was always fake and gay
>https://medium.com/@sergevanneck/the-case-against-unsplash-ac27e75f094a
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>>15330
if you had even the one year of programming experience you insinuate, you would know that modularity usually doesn't work, because it's actually just Modularity which some CTO faggot came up with after reading some spam on a webshit (aka bad advice that looks good to naive people). what you wigger think modularity is actually is usually just some dumb fucking shit like a shared mutable object that 50 different (programs, plugins, etc) access with no guarantees of anything. and that's exactly the problem with web plugins and how they are modular yet don't work when you install more than 2 or 3 of them.

on top of that, every fucking plugin, noscript etc break pages and cause security vulnerabilities by introducing XSS and breaking whatever special snowflake countermeasures the website depended on by inserting random shit in the DOM.

but none of those are even the problem. i don't use webshit for anything that needs to be secure, however it would be nice if my boxes didnt get rooted because a plugin allows them to, but oh wait, thats exactly what plugins do, they are developed by the worst fucking programmers on earth, and firefox allows them to unwittingly allow malicious inputs to use the privileged browser API to do stuff. im aware the new plugin api tries to fix this or some shit but i don't fucking care, you can go dildo yourself with your gay tech that asymptotically approaches a concept of acceptable while i have moved on 15 years ago
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in fact, i only browse the web through VMs and isolated boxes, so i'm not too concered about webshit causing my boxes to get rooted which is already to be expected with just any bare browser even before plugins. but im gonna tell you the ACTUAL problem with plugins
THEY ARE FUCKING SLOW
THEY ARE HORSE SHIT AND BUGGY
every fucking plugin ever had some obnoxious side effect like now the browser just pauses every 10 seconds.
noscript is made by a lunatic script kiddie schizo who doesn't actually understand security. merely doing anything in that horse shit (which is forced into Tor Browser) causes the autistic warning about "possible XSS attack possible XSS attack!!!1111"
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>buy cheapest cooler on the market
>cpu now runs 20 degrees cooler
AMD coolers are literally trash.
>>15331
>>15332
>>15333
>wigger
Yeah, yeah what ever you say favela trash. How does it feel to be brown.
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>>15310
it's a good era for no js. just 5 years ago every site was completely unusable cus the "we use popups" autism didnt close without js. but the autists finally figured that out and whined enough to fix that. now the web is 1% more usable. all you need to do is turn off js (javascript:enabled false in about:config) and the web instantly becomes usable
>>15337
sorry, not white trash enough to know whatever your obscure racist insult means, also you posted da j00z therefore you are invalid. also ive been on chans since before you (2004), so knock yourself out with your upcoming spergout "you dont even know what fvela is???!?!?)
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>>15339
Kys kike lover. You don't know what you are talking about.
If you have used Linux, then chances are you are using modules. inb4 all built-in kernel
>>15330
Disregard trolls and niggers.
>15339
>Brown favela monkey screeches like a dying macaco, before being put to death by the conquistadors.
>15339
<sorry, not white trash enough
What you really meant to post was, "I am a newfag hapa/indian nigger retard, but I read KYM saar, and I should kill myself".
>>15339
you don't belong here.....
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>microsoft minecraft
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>default skin
>>15361
And I can't fucking change it
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After fucking around with ventoy a bit, I have concluded that the best way of making installation media is to just download the usb image and use good old dd to write it onto an usb stick.
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>Interested in array languages
>check out APL
>symbol soup I can't type with my keyboard, need to click individual symbols in the sidebar instead (fuck that)
>check out J instead
>compile from source, launch ./jconsole, "file name error"
>? let's check the C code https://github.com/jsoftware/jsource/blob/master/jsrc/d.c
lol nope
I can see a benefit in languages designed to be terse, but writing C like that is objectively braindamage.

I guess I'll just work my way through APL, see if I pick up anything useful then drop it. And GNU APL's source code at least appears to be readable.
>>15377
>an usb
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>>15415
>Turning off OS verification is basically re-imaging the lappy with an "unsecure" version of the OS so that sleazy ren'py games can be played
<playing ((( western "'"'VNs"'"' ))) in 2025
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>>15416
Eat rocks, weeb.
>>15276
Because literally the second thing that happened in the entire GG shitshow was the huwite knight SJW trannitors who run Wayback m'lady'ing LW on request from a single eMail by deleting the Wayback archive of our article that LW had its ISP similarly deplatform hours earlier.

Since then, Wayback has similarly deleted, sometimes unilaterally, tons more shit for SJW reasons. For instance, all their archives of fullchan had their images deleted and CSS fucked up.

In contrast, archive.today has never deleted anything that doesn't violate burgerlard law (e.g.: CP.)

For this reason, Wayback can not be trusted, and anything "archived" via Wayback must also be ACTUALLY archived for verifiability via archive.today.
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>>15441
>the second thing that happened in the entire GG shitshow was the huwite knight SJW trannitors who run Wayback m'lady'ing LW on request
GG is gamer gate? Internet drama for 10+ years ago? LW is Less Wrong? Have they deleted anything recently?

>>15276 has a point, archive.today put their entire infrastructure behind cloudflare including the damn onion site. Wayback lets you do whatever from Tor/VPN with no questions asked. It's clear which one is cucked.

>>15416
<playing (((  western "'"'VNs"'"'  ))) in 2025
>trying to do anything with a chromebook
Motherfucker is trying to hammer a nail with a dildo. Use the right tool for the job.
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>>15276
>Why is archive.today unanimously treated on imageboards as the "based" alternative to archive.org
IBs were infiltrated and subverted a long time ago by the suspected agents.
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recent change in firefox tos receiving a warm reception on github
https://github.com/mozilla/bedrock/commit/d459addab846d8144b61939b7f4310eb80c5470e
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>>15276
And it doesn't work with cloudflaredns because archive.today wants dns extension that violate your privacy in order to regionblock people better.
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>>15468
N-NIGGERS?
>>15468
Why did he have to spend an entire minute being a faggot instead of just saying nigger balls?
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>>15471
He posts his videos on jewtube, so I guess that's why. Still, I'm more surprised no one tried to bring down his channel based on this.
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Niggers is not a real test. Nobody cares about niggers, beyond virtue signaling. They just don't want you talking about the jews at all. That's how you can tell if you actually have free speech or not.
And now I'll leave you a funny quote I read today on https://www.zerohedge.com/political/trump-warns-hell-block-funding-any-colleges-have-illegal-protests
> U.S. Health Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr., one of the administrators tasked with reviewing Columbia University's grants, said in a statement that "anti-Semitism ... is a spiritual and moral malady that sickens societies and kills people with lethalities comparable to history's most deadly plagues," adding that "making America healthy means building communities of trust and mutual respect, based on speech freedom and open debate."
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Searx/searxng instances have been pretty fucky for some reason.

Either google is blocking them, or something, I don't fucking know, I just wanna search shit up and it's not fucking working
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>>15482
>anti-Semitism ... is a spiritual and moral malady that sickens societies and kills people with lethalities comparable to history's most deadly plagues
Oy vey... never forget the 6 quadrillion telepathically killed by anti-semitism.
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>>15483
Google blocked all of them, enable duckduckgo and other engines.
>>15484
Is it possible to learn this power?
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>>15363
what do you mean you can't
>Fabric API + Fabric Tailor mod
there, it takes 2min
>>15458
>Internet drama for 10+ years ago?
Yes, we still live in CY10+, because that's when once-principled libertarians' brains imploded.
>LW is Less Wrong?
Literally Who, you filthy secondary.
>Have they deleted anything recently?
Yes, two more infamous recent examples were MSM journo Taylor Lorenz getting her Twatter posts censored by her uncle who's an exec at the Internet Archive, and Wayback itself blacklisting foxdick farms during the Byuu/Keffalz drama. This is aside from their longstanding practice of obeying direct takedown requests (not just email, even a 3rd-party Twatter callout!), DMCA strikes, and robots.txt applied RETROACTIVELY. On top of censorship, they've also started tagging "disinfo" with faggy warnings and requiring a logged in account to view it.
>Wayback lets you do whatever from Tor/VPN with no questions asked
Because Wayback is a normieweb site with a gazillion dollar pipe that can tank a DDoS face first. The only other choices are to be small and obscure enough you aren't constantly under attack (e.g.: this board we're chatting on) or to use a mitigator with a CAPTCHA/pseudonymous token of some kind. If it wasn't Cloudflare, it would be something else.

>>15485
>duckduckgo
Is basically a Bing frontend. The only major indices still doing their own crawling are Bing, Google, Yandex, and Baidu. "Other" search engines are just a frontend for one of those, with a handful of exceptions like Brave and Mojeek that still run their own crawlers.
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>>15507
I watched Mushoku Tensei (the two seasons) and to be honest I found it quite cringe. But granted, I generally don't watch isekai, so maybe my standards weren't low enough.
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>>15492
cope and seethe
>>15508
You posted in the wrong thread.
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>>15518
No, I posted it here on purpose because this discussion is off-topic to the employment thread.
If discussions get too off-topic the mods moves the posts here himself anyway.
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>>15519
he might not see your reply though.
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>>15520
>he might not see your reply though.
It's not showing up in the replies for >>15507 so yes he probably won't see it.

>>15519
>If discussions get too off-topic the mods moves the posts here himself anyway.
You fucked up you fucking retard he will never respond now it's over. You should of posted in the correct thread and let the mods move it. Mods are subhuman anyway your kindness is wasted on them.
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>>15522
>should of
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>>15523
what's you're point bruv?
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What software do I use to troubleshot networking?
I basically only know how to use ping and speedtest-cli right now, reticently there was strange outage on provider side (I think?) where I could ping just fine to any website but I couldn't access any of them (with ether firefox or lynx) so I had no idea what problem it was.
>last pic
ids habbening again
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>>15546
A logging firewall and wireshark can help. But mostly it's about knowledge of your network setup and (in your case) how http requests work.
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just noticed I've been running a severely outdated browser for over a year.
is there some way to achieve similar security to qubes with firejail?
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It is almost pretty much always a faggot that does not even have a backing to any of his arguments as to why it is bad and always results in if You pirate You are poor and stealing, especially stealing part but they always include any kind of shaming part to solidify their horrible and downright wrong arguments, why is this the case now more than ever?
>hardly relevant to the board subject "question" and ramblings stemming from irl butthurt
>completely unrelated smut pic
s+h+reported
>>15580 cry faggot baby :3
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Damn that picture… i have to fap.
>>15580
I bet you're just a racist and angry that it's a picture of a nigger.
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I like to pirate because how attainable and accessible it is, it doesn't stop me from buying either, but I buy what I really value.
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>>15579
stop posting porn, faggot
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>>15595
Maybe you would've enjoyed it more if it was a picture of a boy.
>>15599
or just maybe it's offtopic on /tech/
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>>15615
Attaching unrelated images is a staple of imageboards, my newfriend. But you only seem to be "triggered" when it's a picture of a cute sexy girl. Hmmmm, what could that say about you?
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>>15579
>why are people with no virtue so obsessed with appearing virtuous?
The question answers itself.

>>15574
>is there some way to achieve similar security to qubes with firejail?
The security of qubes comes from taking the linux kernel out of the trusted computing base. The linux kernel doesn't need to be secure for qubes to be secure. All of firejail's security does depend on the linux kernel being secure.
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>>15599
touching your own dick is technically gay and if you whack off regularly you get closer to faggotry than you can even realise.
science(tm) shows all trannies started off whacking off to cute girls and eventually ended up becoming the "cute girl" 
lack of impulse control and escalating promiscuity is one central marker of faggotry.
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>>15703
Being gay has almost nothing to do with touching your own dick. just faggots do it all the time.

>>15579
Because they're retards who are fine with owning nothing and think everyone should be on their level. the average person is ultimately too afraid to pirate because they think they will get aids or worse  they think plastic is a sign of status.
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I work in a call center for one of the largest telecommunications companies in the USA. You already know about it. I'll answer any questions you have and will provide some advice of my own:

1) If you can, make use of a companies/organizations web site, mobile app, and/or IVRs (automated voice systems) instead of interacting with live agents. It can be much faster and more effective. When you interact with a real person you don't know what their level of competence/training is, and you may very well be interacting with an identity thief. I have access to SSNs, DOBs, as well as payment information, and they do as well. The less people interact with your account, the better.
2) Being patient and nice goes a very long way. Most call center work is very stressful and boring. Its unfortunate that some calls can take hours, but that's reality sometimes. Multitask by cleaning or playing a game while the call is in progress. Letting the agent take their time and relax reduces the chance that they'll get something wrong or that they'll fuck with you in retaliation. The systems can be very slow sometimes, have lots of steps, and agents often have to consult internal articles and other information, which takes time to search for.
3) Big companies may have hundreds of departments. The company which I work for does. Some departments can be only reached internally, and only by specific departments at that. You may need to be transferred many times to get what you want. Its unreasonable to expect the average agent to handle billing, fraud, sales, tech support, account support, legal support, and the litany of other subjects that exist. When you DO manage to get to where you need to be, see if you can receive a call-back number, or if the agent can call you themselves.
4) Agents are trained to look out for social engineers, and are required to authenticate callers when accessing accounts or performing specific actions. The internal systems are designed to look out for red flags and may force fraud analyst reviews to proceed. SIM swap scamming is known enough at this point that it has its own response team. Don't be stupid.
5) Differentiating a real employee from a highly skilled scammer can be EXTREMELY difficult. Real call center experience, unauthorized access and abuse of company tools, phishing resources, data leaks, and caller ID spoofing are all techniques that scammers can use to fuck you. When in a call, ask for an agents user/employee ID, an outbound e-mail/text, confirmation of the information on the account, and/or for a supervisor. Doing these will dissuade the majority of scammers.
6) Calls are recorded for quality assurance, and interactions are logged. Document the date and time of contact, the actions performed, and the name/ID of the agent. If anything goes wrong you can resolve it later. Escalation DOES work, and for my specific company, the premium customer support team(s) will have individual agents remain in contact with you for days until a conflict is resolved.
7) The promotions are real. Yes, you will get a free year of Netflix or a $300 card if you (re)order the service. Make sure to document the procedures to receive the promotions, and ask to have a supervisor recap the call to make sure you're actually getting what you've been guaranteed. BE WARY of retail locations and the real life salesmen.
8) Agents talk to dozens, if not hundreds of people in a day. Its unlikely anyone remembers who you were or what you said. Going back to point #1, the environments are paperless and phone-free. Exfiltrating your personal information is difficult but not impossible for agents.
>>15579
>>15580
>>15581
>>15599
>>15616
god coomers are such unsufferable degen faggots
everyone got fetishes just fucking chill we come here to talk about tech and trying to make it into a cultural aspect of imageboards is so pathetic get a life
then kys
>>15585
I like to priate becuase I grew up poor and they can't really benefit from me rebuying something. I don't rent shit like netflix as it's not in my control, paying for something I can't touch is silly. I also don't pay for insurance, 1 reason I don't have a car. Above all that though: they didn't make it 'for me". Let others buy what was made for them. The cars are ugly. The shows are immature. The video games are hard work. Hell, just transferring these files and fixing my compute when they break, I ought to be paid just for the sake of calling myself a librarian. They should be paying me to keep this goyslop alive. 

Your image got my attention to be honest. I didn't get a gun either simply because a permet was required so I got a cap and ball, far less regulations. Later on I did get a newer model gun, but only after laws changed. I wish more people were like me and did not bend the knee to dystopian kikeshit. With all this tech and money someone should make a game that I told them to make. Me. MY GAME. I paid for it? Why did you make it for THEM? WHy can't I buy a steamer and run it with solar panels? I want a desiel motorcycle. Fuck society. My gaycycle having more than 750w is not going to make a problem. 

then I remember how ironic I am as I'm on tech posting this from an ((( android ))) just because they are the chepest and easiest computers now days. I got tired of that underpowered and hard to use Pi chip bullshitery fast, of which costs more than a tablet anyway while being too clunky. *sigh* one of these years I'll make that 5v dream computer and put a Linux on it... so it can have systemd and shit so I'll feel cucked anyways.
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>>15579
Kill yourself.

>>15716
>(((  android  ))) just because they are the chepest and easiest
I've always been an active actor of the second-hand market, first because companies and corpos are literally Satan, and also because the idea of people selling AND buying instead of just being consoomers aligns more with my idea of a better society. Back then I quickly learnt to recognize the brands that were so sturdy I would accept the risk of buying second-hand (Toshiba everything, Samsung HDDs and micro SD, Toyota and Honda cars)
I think this is what the Thinkpad craze was about, but anyways I also do that with Google Pixel phones as they can be found for less than half the price and offer the ability to use GrapheneOS
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So 4chan got hacked, and it turns out they were using FreeBSD. I kind of hope that this will make a tranny or two kill himself. Not that FreeBSD is inherently tranny central, but they definitely have their fair share of faggots.
>>15744
I'm glad these retards use specific software and brag about it.  because how else would I know they are retarded and faggots if not they could had been just normal and used something like kubuntu or mint and no one would know unless they rice their shit with rainbows.
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>>15744
I thought 4chan was tranny central.
>>15745
https://www.freebsd.org/releases/10.1R/announce/
>Date: November 14, 2014
>The FreeBSD Release Engineering Team is pleased to announce the availability of FreeBSD 10.1-RELEASE. This is the second release of the stable/10 branch, which improves on the stability of FreeBSD 10.0-RELEASE and introduces some new features.
I don't think they ever bragged about what software they use, otherwise they would have at least considered upgrading it once every few years. Although it would be funny if the whole thing happened because of a security flaw that got fixed years ago.
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>>15747
It has less to do with them bragging about the server running it but rather that their choice of software. They chose the special retard software so they can brag about using despite never once giving a shit. 
It's like a fresh install of arch with neofetch in a screenshot only to be never used again. they just only want attention.
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>>15748
What makes FreeBSD a special retard software? It's used even by big business, and although no self-respecting anon should engage with those companies, but you rarely hear about them being hacked.
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>>15749
It's simply by just not being something not the average person would use that it attracts them. anyone who is remotely serious with something like FreeBSD would only recommend that you use it for specific scenarios and would never bother mentioning that they use it unless it's actually related to the conversation.
It's like someone randomly shouting in a movie theater that they only drink fancy liquor that  they left skittles in for half a hour they simply  being too stupid or just autistic to notice that no one gives a shit.
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>>15749
>What makes FreeBSD a special retard software?
Ten years ago there was some drama when they added a code of conduct from the "geek feminism wiki" and were pressured into changing it. Plenty of people who follow culture war bullshit will only know freebsd from that.
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>>15750
>would never bother mentioning that they use it unless it's actually related to the conversation.
Anon, I'm pretty sure nobody running that shithole mentioned using FreeBSD, and we've only learned about it from the hackerman who posted that screencap of the login message.
>>15753
I know, but I also know that it is used by a surprising number of corporations, even if mostly because they think of it as a drop in replacement for Linux with a different licence. I'm trying to figure out why that anon seems to be slightly upset over their choice of operating system.
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>>15755
>it is used by a surprising number of corporations
If "surprising" means more than 0. I don't think it's that many to be honest. ZFS used to be a big selling point when it was only available on freebsd and solaris, who the fuck would pick solaris. ZFS is a linux project now though. Sony probably used it for the PS3/PS4 because of licensing. Netflix uses it because they've apparently made big improvements to the networking stack. Microsoft uses it because they bought hotmail. Anyone else worth mentioning? I wish freebsd was better but I lost hope at this point.

>I'm trying to figure out why that anon seems to be slightly upset over their choice of operating system.
I think it's a misunderstanding. Either >>15745 or the people replying to him got the wrong idea.

>I kind of hope that this will make a tranny or two kill himself. 
Benno Rice is a woke faggot freebsd dev who will probably be upset to hear that the evil 4chan was using it.
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>>15757
Why  is it always when it comes to 4chan people are completely oblivious as to the reality of the site?
it's been the exact opposite of what people been saying for over a decade. Katawa Shoujo is literally sjw bs and it was created from none other than 4chan

The whole game basically treats the player like a retard  not giving them really any choice in what they say unless it gives them  a different ending. And basically forces you into the mentality of to tread on eggshells.
>>15744
>>15750
Don't really see how this would free-BSDs fault if they didn't updating their server for almost a decade.
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>>15759
>not upgrading
nigger
>freebsd
faggot
4chan admins are niggerfaggots
>>15759
When was last time anyone even tried dunking 4?
>>15753
And now, 10 years later, almost everything has a CoCk. So it's silly to still single out FreeBSD for that (it also used to be considered bad for security, but I heard they fixed all that, taking in changes made by HardenedBSD, and maybe OpenBSD stuff too), at this point, and it's not like Linux people are any better in general. Though 4chan WAS using a version also from a decade ago... technically. Not necessarily. 10 came out in 2014, but was supported until late 2018.
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>>15765
FreeBSD and Linux are basically equivalent at this point, except for the license. In the 90's, FreeBSD was arguably a bit better than Linux. Today I don't really want to run either of them, but I have Linux on my 32-bit ARM SBC because of drivers. But even there it's become a problem, as Linux has dropped support for some of my devices, so I'm forced to run an old release (3.4.x kernel).
I miss the 90's, when you could build a cheap, simple computer with very common hardware like plain old VGA card, IDE drive, 28.8K modem, and run Lynx browser pretty much everywhere. You didn't even need X, so 4 MB RAM was enough for Linux. A fast 386 or low-end 486 was plenty enough.
I think all this started to change for the worse when some dumb cunts started doing projects like Gnome/KDE/Enlightenment and trying to compete with Windows, instead of just doing the *nix thing.
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>I’ve already told /v/ that I plan to resign if someone else were to bring me on since 8chan doesn’t pay the bills and I’m basically at the mercy of my benefactors who kicked me out of their home and put me into an autism home, and while I understand their concerns since I wasn’t exactly a conscious spender as I put myself into about ten thousand dollars into debt when trying to figure out an ebike situation, I also think that they could better help me by giving me real job opportunities rather than just throwing me in a home with a bunch of retards and saying that I have to dig myself out of a thousand yard hole with a spoon.
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>>15780
Now I feel bad for him, though I have no idea whether his faggotry has diminished over time or not. But to be safe, I won't suggest living in his Nintendo cardboard box instead.
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>>15781
that's from a year ago and again he lied about "I'm gonna leave the internets forever I swear" for the nth time just for clout
>I feel bad for him
feel bad for a lying jew? you're fucking gullible, this guy is scum through and through
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Hardest Problem of Linux Programming — Tsoding Daily
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKAnDcqInb4offf

I must be the smartest man on earth then.

#!/bin/ruby
require 'dbus'

# Connect to the session bus
bus = DBus::SessionBus.instance

# Access the desktop portal service
service = bus['org.freedesktop.portal.Desktop']

# Access the FileChooser object
file_chooser = service.object('/org/freedesktop/portal/desktop')
file_chooser.introspect
chooser_interface = file_chooser['org.freedesktop.portal.FileChooser']

# Call the OpenFile method and capture the handle
app_id = ""          # App ID can be left empty for simple scripts
parent_window = ""   # Optional parent window ID
options = {}         # Options like filters, multiple selection, etc.

handle = chooser_interface.OpenFile(app_id, parent_window, options)
handle_path = handle[0] # The handle should return a valid object path
puts "Handle Path: #{handle_path}"

# Access the request object using the handle
request_object = service.object(handle_path) # Ensure the path is valid
request_object.introspect
request_interface = request_object['org.freedesktop.portal.Request']

# Listen for the 'Response' signal on the request object
request_interface.on_signal('Response') do |response_code, results|
	if response_code == 0
		puts "Selected file(s): #{results}"
	else
		puts "No files selected or the operation was canceled."
	end

	# Exit the program once the response is received
	exit(0)
end

# Start the main loop to wait for the signal
main = DBus::Main.new
main << bus
main.run
>>15781
I wouldn't feel sorry for him even if he were raped to death by niggers. In fact, I'd celebrate. Not sure how you can fall for some fat jew sperg's (also a sellout by the way) sob story. He deserves everything bad to happen to him and then some.
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>>15782
>>15789
Don't know anything about him. My last experience with him was getting banned for making fun of Nintendo, during the cardboard days. I improved in some ways since then, so I like to delude myself into believing that other people also have. One of those ways was growing an even bigger disdain for Nintoddlers, though. I assume he would be very displeased with that, maybe a little mad?
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>>15797
He's the same lying jew he's ever been, he hasn't changed or matured one bit, the kike blood in him physically prevents him to do so.
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>>15798
Well, guess that's not surprising. Doesn't affect me, though, not going there anyway. Mostly just a lurker these days.
>>15797
I hope rust+ubuntu fails so gnu+linux will never die
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>>15800
Or at GNU Rust becomes a thing, so it's still at least GNU+Rust/Linux. We're all doomed either way, but at least it would be GNU/doomed.
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>>15801
In daydark 40k there is only grinux.
You should go back
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>>15805
There's nothing to go back to. It's ogre.
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Is there a serious justification for why free software fags are such soulless philistines?
>>15832
>disgusting western 2d imitation
Get a job bum or worse actually become a basement dweller.
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>>15832
Because you are a fucking nigger who pretends companies don't just pay some artists to pretend to be soulful.
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>>15833
Blindbro? While the artist is Chinese, his art is far from what one would call western-looking.
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>>15833
>>disgusting western 2d imitation
>mods hate loli and logic
sasuga zzz
>>15836
it's what you're asking for illiterate retard
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>>15832
Only Amiga makes it possible. xD
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>>15832
Counterpoint (you turbo nigger)
https://desuarchive.org/_/search/text/integrity.wasm/
what's up with the sharty and this shit?
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>>15867
Any website can do this. websockets don't have cors and discuck listens on localhost.
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>>15868
but I visited that site and solved their captcha did it install any malware in my pc?
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>>15869
WASM/JS doesn't install anything, it just uses the preexisting rootkit capabilities inherent to all modern browsers.
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>>15869
If you think the website is malware, you have it running when you browse it. It shouldn't keep running after you kill the browser.
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>>15870
>>15871
I got paranoid for a second. Those soyteens are fucking cultists, and their cult revolves around shitty drawn wojaks, it seems humans can be controlled via anything. It's really enlighten to see.
tor is officially shit now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ml99dXffRXk
Replies: >>15912
>yes goy, tor was deanonymized, you can only be private on the internet with nordvpn
This exact same thread was on 4chan 2 weeks ago and OP got much more advice QQ
Is that an underage ban I smell?
if you had to repair the 4chan fuck-up, how would you do it? 

asking for a friend
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>>15901
Modifying an opensource engine to look like 4chan, that's the most sane and labor efficient method probably.
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>>15903
There is no reason to NOT do this, other than licensing issues maybe.
why doesn't Tor use randomized fingerprint instead? also would't using gecko engine make you more finger-printable instead of using Chromium like everyone else, why haven't they switched yet?
Replies: >>15911
>>8993
>thread started 2 years ago
>49 replies
>last reply was today
bring back 4chan asap, i feel like a lost lil pupper
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>>15908
lurk 9001 years
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>>15909
no, im not a meme enjoyer.
>>15906
>why doesn't Tor use randomized fingerprint instead
That's what the anti fingerprint measures do, as far as possible. Javascript will always have ways around it so turn it off.
>using Chromium like everyone else
Most Tor users use Tor Browser. Chromium would make no difference because servers can tell you're from Tor by the exit node ip
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>>15887
>tor is officially shit now
Can someone summarize?
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>>15911
I'm pretty sure Tor just tries to make your fingerpritint as common as possible, it's only brave and palemoon who randomize it.
What if I'm using a bridgr to browse surface web, wouldn't chromium be better in that case?
>>15912
Tor removed http browser ID spoofing. The dev who did so argued that it wasn't worth supporting. The dev is retarded and browser ID spoofing is still helpful especially in cases where you are using an uncommon OS. I don't think the entire Tor project has turned malicious, but that dev is a either a fucking idiot or a bad actor and should have his changes reverted.
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>they put a pseudo captcha from invidious on https://trac.ffmpeg.org
For what reason.
>>15921
The shitskin catgirl vill mine shitcoins with your CPU as a sort of captcha and you vill be happy
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>>15921
It's supposed to stop AI bots from jamming up the internet tubes with their incessant requests. It seems to work based on reports, but do note that the developer is some sort of a furry, and he/she/it/whatever said it wants to implement a system where these computations are used in one of those scientific public computing projects on the long term. Also, the UN uses it on one of their subpages.
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>>15932
>wants to implement a system where these computations are used in one of those scientific public computing projects on the long term
>tfw >>15923 was kinda right
>Also, the UN uses it on one of their subpages.
What's the specific subpage? It would be funny to see the DeviantArt wannabe animu on a UN website (unless they stripped the image).
Replies: >>15934
>>15933
https://policytoolbox.iiep.unesco.org/
You do get to see an UNESCO approved wolfgirl.
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Does proof of work really work? I used to browse imageboards that used it as spam protection and it never worked 15 years ago, why would it work now when computation is so much cheaper?
https://github.com/TecharoHQ/anubis
Here is github of it if you are interested.
Also you WILL fund his SRS https://www.patreon.com/cadey
>>15934
That's amazing.
>>15935
>he still thinks it's about whether a solution works or not
A solution is heavily shilled + adopted in any capacity whatsoever (even testing) by a notable project or two?
Then it starts to be called an "industry standard" and quickly gets adopted by any big corpo project, because they're desperate to delegate every little bit of responsibility they can.
>>15921
>>15932
It's real purpose is to ban people without javascript from the internet.
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>>15935
Proof of work works, but it only makes massive spam expensive, regular spamming is still cheap, so it's pointless. Post per second limiter on the server would work the same.

Long PoW (10 minutes 20 threads for one post) would actually do something against street shitter troll farms but it would also effectively ban phonefags and poorfags, so sites won't do that. Also spammers will bypass the inefficient JS code, they'll run accelerated solvers.

>>15940
Websites could provide a no JS command line alternative, copy this command, copy result back when done.
Replies: >>15943
>>15935
That PoW implementation in particular is designed to block scrapers which make massive amounts of requests, like those of OpenAI and other LLM companies.
It won't help against regular spammers or even spambots.
Replies: >>15955
>>15941
>Websites could provide a no JS command line alternative, copy this command, copy result back when done.
It has already been done and it worked well, they are refusing to do this because stopping AI scrapers was never their real intention.
Replies: >>15955
>>15942
>block scrapers which make massive amounts of requests, like those of OpenAI and other LLM companies
I don't buy it. This would imply these companies can't afford a smartphone's level of compute (close to nothing) for each site they're scraping. It's also hard to believe serving a file with CDNs and everything is more expensive than serving these crypto challenges. If it is, use rate limits, problem solved.

Either it's some tunnel vision soy dev or the true intention is >>15940 >>15943
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>>15955
From what I gather it is actually a very nontrivial amount of resources being wasted on serving LLM scrapers.
Just one example https://pod.geraspora.de/posts/17342163 (70% of all requests)

>In the last 60 days, the diaspora* web assets received 11.3 million requests. That equals to 2.19 req/s - which honestly isn’t that much. I mean, it’s more than your average personal blog, but nothing that my infrastructure shouldn’t be able to handle.
>
>However, here’s what’s grinding my fucking gears. Looking at the top user agent statistics, there are the leaders:
>
>    2.78 million requests - or 24.6% of all traffic - is coming from Mozilla/5.0 AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko; compatible; GPTBot/1.2; +https://openai.com/gptbot).
>    1.69 million reuqests - 14.9% - Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10_10_1) AppleWebKit/600.2.5 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/8.0.2 Safari/600.2.5 (Amazonbot/0.1; +https://developer.amazon.com/support/amazonbot)
>    0.49m req - 4.3% - Mozilla/5.0 AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko; compatible; ClaudeBot/1.0; [email protected])
>    0.25m req - 2.2% - Mozilla/5.0 AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko; compatible; Amazonbot/0.1; +https://developer.amazon.com/support/amazonbot) Chrome/119.0.6045.214 Safari/537.36
>    0.22m req - 2.2% - meta-externalagent/1.1 (+https://developers.facebook.com/docs/sharing/webmasters/crawler)
>
>and the list goes on like this. Summing up the top UA groups, it looks like my server is doing 70% of all its work for these fucking LLM training bots that don’t to anything except for crawling the fucking internet over and over again.
>
>Oh, and of course, they don’t just crawl a page once and then move on. Oh, no, they come back every 6 hours because lol why not. They also don’t give a single flying fuck about robots.txt, because why should they. And the best thing of all: they crawl the stupidest pages possible. Recently, both ChatGPT and Amazon were - at the same time - crawling the entire edit history of the wiki. And I mean that - they indexed every single diff on every page for every change ever made. Frequently with spikes of more than 10req/s. Of course, this made MediaWiki and my database server very unhappy, causing load spikes, and effective downtime/slowness for the human users.
>
>If you try to rate-limit them, they’ll just switch to other IPs all the time. If you try to block them by User Agent string, they’ll just switch to a non-bot UA string (no, really). This is literally a DDoS on the entire internet.
>
>Just for context, here’s how sane bots behave - or, in this case, classic search engine bots:
>
>    16.6k requests - 0.14% - Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; Googlebot/2.1; +http://www.google.com/bot.html)
>    15,9k req - 0.14% - Mozilla/5.0 AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko; compatible; bingbot/2.0; +http://www.bing.com/bingbot.htm) Chrome/116.0.1938.76 Safari/537.36
>
>Because those bots realize that there’s no point in crawling the same stupid shit over and over again.
>
>I am so tired.
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https://www.nitrokey.com/
>open source yubikey alternative
>goyphones
>routers 
>tablets
>laptops
How come I've never heard of them before? Granted, I see no reason to trust them.
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>>15958
>don’t give a single flying fuck about robots.txt
>they come back every 6 hours because lol why not
>If you try to rate-limit them, they’ll just switch to other IPs all the time.
>If you try to block them by User Agent string, they’ll just switch to a non-bot UA string (no, really)
wow okay, also how is this legal
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>>15967
it is a mystery yet at the same time  a torrent is considered a hazard to keeping your internet.
>maybe a proxy would work lol
This should be legally considered denial of service
>>15958
There's nothing wrong with this.
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>>16002
What am I supposed to take from this except for every browser is crippled and you are better off using the terminal?
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What are the tentacles supposed to represent?
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>>16018
A love that tightly embraces
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>>16022
I was expecting a /tech/-relevant response like "systemd" or "GNOME" or whatever, considering that's the unofficial Arch Linux mascot.
>>16018
A system that's about to be broken.
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Finally, now I know which desktop environment and programming language to use.
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>>16116
>Apple users
Not even once
>>15901
Keep my deps up to date with the distro's package manager, if an update breaks something, actually fix it instead of drowning in bitrot. Seriously, it's not fucking rocket science.

>>15963
Because they're shit broken by design made by retards who don't understand the potential of their own hardware:
https://www.devever.net/~hl/smartcards
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How can I mass download JPGs from yande.re, as opposed to PNGs? I can't find an option for that on either gallery-dl or Grabber. On gallery-dl I tried "quality": "jpg" but it didn't do anything.
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>>16121
I don't use any of those, but is this a bandwidth problem? Mass converting pngs is very easy.
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>>16121
wget -nd -w 3 --random-wait -A jpg,jpeg -rH -D files.yande.re -e robots=off "https://yande.re/post?tags=pool%3A163"
Follows the stars under the thumbnails which are direct links, always to jpegs I believe. It reports 1 extra file downloaded, the html, which gets rejected by specifying -A jpg,jpeg.
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>>16128
It's half a bandwidth problem but also half an autistic thing of wanting to have "correct" JPGs that are exactly the same as on the booru.
>>16129
Thank you, that seems to work, although it doesn't crawl multiple pages. But I can automate making ?page=X links with a text editor macro and stack a bunch of these wget commands together, I guess.
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>>16131
Okay, did some more tinkering and reading because I always forget the intricacies of commands.
curl "https://yande.re/post?page=[1-7]&tags=shirow_masamune" | sed -n 's/.*jpeg_url\":\"// ; s/\",\"jpeg_width.*// ; /^https/p' | wget -w 6 --random-wait -i -
First curl downloads and outputs the html of every page number in the given range, in this example page 1 to 7. Then sed removes the gobbledygook before the https of every full jpeg url, removes the gobbledygook after the file extension of every full jpeg url, and prints lines that begin with https, which after those edits are lines containing only the full jpeg url. Finally wget reads the edited output to download everything. I bumped the wait time between downloads in hopes of avoiding the ire of the webmaster, lower it if you want. This example took ~16 minutes over Tor (don't know if that includes wait time), downloading 247 images. It reports the correct number of files downloaded because wget isn't downloading any html files to find the images.
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>>16135
Of course that didn't include wait time. I'm a dumbass. Looks like wait time added ~26 minutes, so ~42 minutes total.
>ubuntu replaces sudo with an alternative written in rust
Not that I use ubuntu in the first place, but good to know that OpenBSD's doas is still around.
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>>16152
I don't understand who would actually use ubuntu in this day and age not even an fork like kubuntu at least.
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>>16153
It was supposed to be Lubuntu, but they used rust and now it's Rubuntu, so it sounds more japanese.
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>>16155
lol
>>16152
Debian netinst doesn't even come with sudo by default so I installed doas because sudo is bloatware apparently and I don't need it on my NAS for personal LAN usage
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>>16160
For a local system where you're the only sysadmin, you don't even need the sudo/doas stuff. Just login as root on a tty (over serial port if there's no monitor/keyboard attached). But if you can't do that for whatever reason, there's still /bin/su that probably exists on every distro, no matter how small (it's even in BusyBox, so probably available on all those Linux routers adn other embedded stuff...)
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I swear, it's getting so fucking hard trying to take people who call out political hypocrisy and disingenuity when the person calling it out is no fucking better.

>See some video in my feed calling out sloptubers who push out lazy useful-idiot agendas.
>See some youtubers I like and other I had issues with because either their content sucks or their opinion sucks
>"alright. I might have to deal with some reality checks here, but that's okay, I can let it slide."
>disagree with a few points mid video, but hey, that's fine.
>cherry picking some really stupid statements that could be seen as shittalking, but hey.
>cites page 13 of 3 world Shlaim that effectively states that Anisemitism in the middle east didn't exist until hitler happened.
I'm like, "Hey. Indians hated jews before it was cool bro, don't you read Sir Richard Burton?" and in retrospect, I'm pretty sure there would've been just as much conflict elsewhere.
>continuously one-sidely paints the jew/arab war as being one of victims vs perpetrators when it's a bloody conflict where there are no heroes.
>Points out how "all the sloptubers hate this guy (hasan piker)", and conveniently ignores all the other times he shows twitch's little golden boy that gets away with shit that gets other people permabanned.
>He outright FUCKING DENIES that twitch IP-banned israel (I mean it's comical, but it was stupid from a business standpoint).
>He fucking DARES to say that Frogan's hate-rant against soldiers has validation because of any trauma she from the war when she's up there in being an actually-fucking-evil steamer.
>Namedrops the "Poverty Draft" buzzword.
>continuously calls america imperialist while ignoring the imperialism of almost everyone else.
>admits he's canadian too.
"What the fuck is this guy?"

>check his channel.
>pics related

It never fucking ends... Political Youtuber calling out people for being politically-biased and hypocritical while being a flaming fucking politically-biased hypocrite himself. It's just fucking tiring is what it is.
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>>16167
I forgot the other pics. sorry.
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I might give it a try, although I'm not sure what could I do with a PDP-11 emulator running real UNIX. I mean, I could try running some games or maybe write a document in vi, but I have a feeling the journey will be more exciting that the destination.
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>>16173
There is also this thing:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xv6
>xv6 is a modern reimplementation of Sixth Edition Unix in ANSI C for multiprocessor x86 and RISC-V systems. It was created for educational purposes in MIT's Operating System Engineering course in 2006.
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got most idea jotted already, but anything on keyboard or not +-/ (this one was older) just annoys me. i even have all the idea jotted down. sigh. i even, still, imagine myself named as "game programmer" even by a margin of "well, he did the first 6 games" kind of thing. now its just annoying. just the left side of the whole thing. what goes. or just go for this https://zzzchan.xyz/v/thread/279988.html#279988
Best cameras that aren't monitored by a company like google or amazon?
>>16214
You should tell us what kind of a camera you want and for what purposes, otherwise I recommend that you buy one that uses 16mm film.
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>>16220
Cameras for your door or around your place
>>16214
Any webcam, usb camera or even dslr + capture card, connect it to a linux machine.
>>16214
make one out of rope
>>15921
because they are autistic trannies, which is what that pic is supposed to represent. you just delete their instance and use the next one as always
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SARRR!!!
PLEASE HELP US REDEEM OUR SACRET BHARAT REPO SARR!! THAT BLOODY BENCHOD BICH HAS HACKED AND TAKEN OUT OUR CODE SARRR!!
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Twitter profile images lacking 400x400 before the extension, which Nitter opens upon clicking one, are actually bad files. View a hex dump and they're bloated by spaces after what should be the end of the file.
>>16380
>devastating and deeply targeted cyberattack
Probably their own employee felt like taking a few weeks off, leaked from the password.txt on the network share. It'll be a VPN IP and their little investigation will be over. Superpower 2030

https://www.reuters.com/sustainability/boards-policy-regulation/coinbase-breach-linked-customer-data-leak-india-sources-say-2025-06-02/
>Coinbase breach linked to customer data leak in India, sources say
>At least one part of the breach, publicly disclosed in a, opens new tab May 14 SEC filing, opens new tab, occurred when an India-based employee of the U.S. outsourcing firm TaskUs was caught taking photographs of her work computer with her personal phone, according to five former TaskUs employees.
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>>16383
>U.S. outsourcing firm TaskUs
Lol. Lmao even.
Cloud computing is like evil twin of timesharing.
https://github.com/Speykious/cve-rs/tree/main
>cve-rs allows you to introduce common memory vulnerabilities (such as buffer overflows and segfaults) into your Rust program in a memory safe manner.
>Rust is an amazing language. You can program a lot of useful things while ensuring that your program will stay safe. Unfortunately, safe Rust is quite limiting. For example, you cannot introduce code that could corrupt the program's memory. Now, with cve-rs, you can corrupt your program's memory without corrupting your program's memory.
>We are very committed to making sure cve-rs is memory-safe. We know that unsafe code can have unintended consequences, such as memory unsafety that causes bugs like segmentation faults, use-after-frees, and buffer overflows.
>That is why cve-rs uses #![deny(unsafe_code)] in the entire codebase. There is not a single block of unsafe code (except for some tests) in this project.
>cve-rs implements the following bugs in safe Rust:
<Use after free
<Buffer overflow
<Segmentation fault
>cve-rs also contains safe reimplementations of:
<std::mem::transmute
<std::ptr::null()/null_mut() but for references
I am too /tech/ illiterate to judge it properly, but does it mean that you can in fact write memory unsafe code in rust, and basically everyone pushing it should be thrown into a woodchipper?
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>>16414
>does it mean that you can in fact write memory unsafe code in rust
There's this comment in https://github.com/Speykious/cve-rs/blob/85545ccd7845e90a64546a27344b72ae69d690e0/src/lifetime_expansion.rs
This is the cursed witchery behind all the bugs we have implemented so far.

# How it works

There is a soundness hole in the Rust compiler that allows our domain expansion to work.

In the [`expand`] function, we use [`lifetime_translator`] with [`STATIC_UNIT`],
which has a `'static` lifetime, allowing us to translate an arbitrary lifetime
into any other lifetime.

`rustc` *should* infer that one of the lifetimes does not outlive `'static`, so
that we can't use [`lifetime_translator`]; however, for whatever reason, it doesn't,
so this exploit works.

See <https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/25860> for this bug's bug report.
It's been open for multiple years!
So it seems that they're implementing that bug in an ironic fashion.
>I am too /tech/ illiterate to judge it properly
I don't know Rust either, but looking at the language's syntax in repo's source code is painful. They really doubled-down on one of the worst aspects of C++.

Also:
>Commit 85545cc
>https://github.com/Speykious/cve-rs/commit/85545ccd7845e90a64546a27344b72ae69d690e0
>Add ability to transmute girl to boy
>>16414
>does it mean that you can in fact write memory unsafe code in rust
With enough effort. These are very contrived examples not like C where you declare a variable as singed instead of unsigned and now you are suddenly copying 4GB of data into a 10 byte buffer.

>and basically everyone pushing it should be thrown into a woodchipper?
They should be woodshipped for other reasons. Like trying to infiltrate and subvert long term stable projects like the linux kernel. Or for making a language so complex that there is only 1 compiler and 1 project team who decides the fate of everybody stupid enough to use rust for anything important.
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https://jasonatwood.io/archives/2033
THIS GUY
FUCK THIS GUY in particular
always jerking off with some "lint" or other stupid metric for dumbasases fucking bullshit. i hated this guy since the very first day stack overflow was made, when faggots just wanted "make work" and no actual intellectual discussion (because THEY CANT DO THAT CUS THEY WORK IN TECH)
this guy in the 90s was an ironic geek the most cringe thing to be
they would just tape together some retarded reged based xml parsing horse shit every minute
then when its breaking, pull in some dumb fucking shit with a name like "crashlytics", which itself crashes and even if it worked 100% it would not be a net gain for the product quality
https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/so-long-xorg-thanks-for-all-the-fish-hello-xlibre.98054/page-13
https://lists.x.org/archives/xorg-devel/2017-October/055022.html
It looks like there was already a patch for X11 that adds HDR in 2017, it was just not merged. On that note, should we have a window manager thread? We could discuss X11 and Wayland, and also show off our cool dwm setups.
Can someone give a quick rundown of the XLibre drama?
All I know from skimming Moronigs and this board is that some Jewish-sounding X11 maintainer got fed with what he perceived as Red Hat deliberately rejecting PRs amid other things in order to artificially push muh Wayland, made his own fork and thus became the biggest Hitler in the open sores scene since Kent Overstreet and in a UNO sense byuu/Near, with Michael Larabel feebly trying to censor away the bad goy drama only to create Gamergate-esque forum discussions he didn't lock the threads unlike during the Asahi linux tranny drama for what it's worth.
Freedickstop is apparently purging every single commit the guy made as a maintainer from the standard X11 repo which according to the wise and well-established independently financed pro-vaccination advocates on Moronix is totally normal and extremely necessary since all his commits are bad code of low quality which justifies everything, clearly not a Stalinist purge now shut up and patch those out-of-tree Rust additions in the Kernel goy.
Will there be sudden, completely explainable deaths with no motives for murder?
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>>16522
>Jewish-sounding 
He is a German man noted as being doubleplusnotgood for having ”alternative views” regarding the world wars. He also posted in a Linux mailing list that RNA vaccines will create a new breed of humans, and that made Linus Torvalds post a very angry reply. Other than that, you've got it down, the only thing I'd add is that Lunduke is fueling the drama a whole lot simply by reporting what is going on. It is pretty much a classic upward spiral where they call a literal kike a gnadzee who then tells everyone that they are calling him a gnadzee, which then makes the trannies even angrier and so they call him a gnadzee even harder, and so on and on.
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>>16523
This is what sucks about the modern Linux scene. It's just one big fucked-up bureaucracy. Bullshit like systemd and rust doesn't just come out of nowhere.
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>>16525
I don't think systemd and rustfaggots are caused by bureaucracy. Rather, they are both caused by groups of people with interest in getting foss into the current state and the predictible future where things are systemd-rustd. The motive of such people could be jewish in nature, who are genetically compelled to squeeze freedom from users with well-rubbed hands; or commercial economic reasons; ego, the idea that it's MY vison gets to be realized and I get to force my shit down everyone's throat; or even just plain retarded misguidedness.
This is where important people's opinions matter, if Linus isn't auch a fag and admit vax are poison, things like rustniggers creeping into the kernel wouldn't happen so quickly.
>>16525
>It's just one big fucked-up bureaucracy. Bullshit like systemd and rust doesn't just come out of nowhere.
People don't realize how corporate the linux world is. People think that home PCs are the only computers that have operating systems and there are a 1000 smelly fat guys who don't like microsoft and that's what the think the whole linux community is.
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why is un*x for retarded faggots?!!?
let me rephrase this: the thing that "free people" are meant to use, why is it trash for faggots?
free ppl =
hackers
warez d00ds
retard LARPers, "privacy enthusiasts" 
"journalists" (TM)
etc
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is therr alternative to coding things like vkey or onclick press? i get epic annoyance at this few particular codes.
Haven't read a word of your post and already can see that it's AI drivel.
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>>16609

Didn’t read it.
Called it drivel.
Turns out you were half right.

But not for the reason you think.
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It seems like 4chan was unblocked in russia. For some years now boards subdomain was blocked, yet sys subdomain (responsible for actual posting) wasn't, so in order to post on 4chan you had to be tech savvy to know what split tunneling is to only proxy one domain, but not the other since 4chan hates proxies and bans them all. Now I suspect the place will be filled with actual normalfags, like actual russian trolls/shills the very meme people often cite that of russians, except true this time. What's up with that? What russian government needed 4chan for to suddenly allow the floodgate to open? zzzchan still banned, but has ech support instead, and I suspect 4chan's sudden revival is why my russian thread here didn't have any russians, getting ech to work a bit involved, normalfags will go to 4chan instead
why are cniles the biggest cancer on earth
faggot ass mouthbreathing boomers who learned a thing and then think their smart
every day i wake up and think about how i want to grind every cniles head off, i spent hundreds of hours memorizing pointless implicit conversions and weird pointless syntaxes that modulate when those apply so i can fluently read c shit just so i can hack it too i dont even want to run this insecure cancer on a real box
and these faggots defend their broken horse shit like "hurrrrrr durrrrr u just dum c is simple" while being the same faggots whose code all broke after 32-bit -> x64 jump as predicted. while being the same faggots who wrote openssh which has rce vulns. while being the same faggots who cant spot backdoors in their overly complex pile of scat they call a build system.
every time i use this gay shit i have to stop and think for a second if this syntax has this or that precedence. you can learn the entirety of x86 (thousands of pages) by the time you memorize the operator precedences in C. cniles are too fucking dumb to understand this, they only ever read their own code. retard droolers from the year 2000 think its not an issue for a language to have bad features or 10 ways of doing the same thing. it is because auditing exists (just not to them, they just run valgrind at most). they think their big shots cus spent their life to write a window manager for x11
c is a dog shit language, worse than assembly. assembly is 1000x more tolerable, actually, even if you have to reimplement for on 3 instruction sets
the only thing i can think of more autistic pants shitting boomer than a c programmer is a bash slinging sysadmin
DAY OF THE SEAL SOON
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>>16627
I tried to translate your mush, illiterate, ungrammatical, Zoomer stream-of-consciousness "English" into Boomer English.

Why are people who code in C such jerks who think they're smart? Every day I think of C coders and they upset me. I spent way too much time memorizing arcane implicit conversions and syntaxes that have to be applied on a case-by-case basis. I did this just so I can understand C code so I make small, efficient hacks; but it feels so insecure that I only run it in VM.
Meanwhile, C coders claim that it's simple, but fail to reply about how much of their codebases crashed when we went from 32 to 64 bit, or gave us all massive cybersecurity vulnerabilities like in openssh. If it was simple, shouldn't they be able to properly audit their code for backdoors?
I'm constantly second-guessing C operator precedence as well. The number of operator precedences in C rivals base x86 assembly, so it makes me wonder even how much of an advantage C is over assembly.
I jest, but I doubt that C coders can even understand the cogent points that I'm making here, since they're all spending time trying to read their own code. There does not appear to be proper criticism of fundamentals in the C language, like bad or redundant features in the core language. A lot of this criticism just falls on deaf ears because of all the post-processing C auditing that exists, even though in practice C coders are just running Valgrind and nothing else. Further, most C coders have an overly inflated ego since they spent an inordinate amount of their life writing a single window manager for x11.
C is a pretty bad language, and it's a wonder it was ever considered better than assembly. Assembly is at least tolerable, even if you do have to redundantly keep making basic reimplementations on multiple instruction sets. The only thing I could think of that's worse than someone coding in C is a Bash sysadmin.
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unix programmers use strings because they dont know how to program. the only way they can understand what the computer is doing is if they see text. strings arent actually useful for programming, though. even c structures convey more structured meaning. with a c struct i can tell where field a is. with unix slop i can maybe parse it out, then email the author of the tool or file to ask him if its meant to be parsed and what the grammar is. then he has to check if the string changes from his locale. he also has to learn what metacharacters are in the string that could break whatever string shit hes using to parse it, lel

imagine if you have a data structure like a linked list (the most basic possible structure). a unix nigger cannot comprehend this. they even get mad when they first learn about it because its not an array which is all they can understand and spew copium about muh cache trashing while having never have touched asm in their life. they cannot understand actual semantics. car/cdr, .next, .head. these concepts are incomprehensible to them. how do you grep the .next? how do you awk it? how do you sed it? UNIX niggers are pretentious idiots who should have been left in the dust over 40 years ago (literally 60)

and note i said "even c structures" for a reason, dont go writing a paragraph about the shortcomings of c structs thinking your smart
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>>16638
Something seems...off here...
>>16610
...Ohhh, it's an ESL poster using an LLM to help write their posts.
>>16671
You can't tell me zzzchan is any better than Spotify. I got banned from >>>/b/ yesterday for posting a song in the music thread.
You'd think people would be grown up enough to listen to music without freaking out when the lyrics don't suit their taste.
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This whole world is gay af. I can't enjoy anything anymore. It's like I've been born in the wrong time in the wrong place.
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>>16673
I'm noooooooooot ooooooooookay
I'm not okaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayaaaaaaaaaayaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayeeeeea
>>16672
>posting song lyrics
that's why you got banned
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>>16678
And your reasoning is?
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>>16679
There is a circuit in the homosexual brain that misfires when it is exposed to visual depictions of song lyrics. Researchers have yet to determine the pathophysiology behind it.
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>>16680
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>>16681
You have to be at least 2.19% gay to understand.
bump
He got banned for posting a song about fucking a minor and mentioning the grotesque VN depicting real children that the original KC produced, by the way.
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>>16685
It's a song by the famous German band Die Ärzte to whose songs I and my childhood friends listened together when we were kids. Good memories.
BTW the age of consent is 14 in Germany, so that part is completely legal but incest is illegal and persecuted by the government (ESPECIALLY when you're adults) unlike in many neighboring countries like France where incest is legal.
Basically you're suffering from culture shock.
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>>16686
This website doesn't operate on German law, retard. Good cover, though it's too bad you also mentioned the VN. Moronic pedophile.
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>>16685
>mentioning the grotesque VN
I mentioned it due to the music uploaded by someone else with a background melody most likely taken from that VN which did not get deleted.
>>16687
By American law the text is also legal. You have free speech. In theory there are obscenity laws but they haven't been applied to texts about sex in like two decades.
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>>16689
Promotion of pedophilia isn't welcomed here, period.
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>>16690
Am I or have I merely mentioned it?
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>>16691
Recall that you weren't forthcoming with specific details until I chimed in.
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>>16692
I was very upfront and even translated the lyrics when I posted the song. I should receive thanks.
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>>16693
Not in this post you made to start concern-trolling on another board you weren't: >>16672
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>>16694
It was very related since it's about what music you're allowed to listen to at what age. I first listened to Die Ärzte when I was about 6 yo. Of course I didn't buy such CDs at that age and put them in my room but my friends had them and we already had internet. I got my hands on a laptop pretty early and was obviously unsupervised.
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>>16695
I didn't ask about your lack of supervision during your childhood and it has nothing to do with this discussion. I said you were being deceitful by omitting details as to why your post on another board earned a ban when you initially mentioned it above. Deny and talk in circles to your heart's content.
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>>16696
I feared if I spelled it out again, I'd get banned again. Simple as. My ban on /b/ has been retracted or passed because it was a short ban.
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I got banned for posting this on /kohi/. I get banned everywhere.
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Some people are... sensitive.
>>16698
No one wants to see soyjacks all day faggot.
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>>16703
This. Even if you had mocked the poster verbally and compared him to a weak man who is smug for no reason you probably would not have been banned. Soyjacks are disgusting.
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>>16703
>>16704
Its a beautiful soyjack and the only soyjack image I posted on that day.
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>>16707
You're autistic in the same sense as that of a dog or nigger.
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>>16708
Fine with me. Dogs get hugs, kisses and sex with women.
>will
I bet we're still dollar signs to social networks. We'll be shadowbanned so we can't infect their cash cows but they'll happily serve up ads to us.
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>>16711
Assuming of course the party is over and we all get the boot from here.
>>16698
Maybe try not posting like you're a retarded nigger from cuckchan everywhere then.
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Is there a search engine that filters out garbage results and provides results in a serialized format?
Just don't use 4chan easy as that
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>>16715
You mean an exemplary contributor who courteously admonishes anyone for uploading unwieldy 20-megabyte images pasted from the clipboard?
>>16705
>What will
You mean what ““HAS””
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>>16757
Man fuck this js
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>>16758
zzz works without js
>>15117
>modems don't work with telephone systems that compress the sound digitally
Ackshually they will work even over crappy VoIP like Discord or whatever, though it may drop to 9600 Baud.
>and by now that is the standard in most places
On-site PBX for a corporate campus or something? Sure, though almost all of those have some means of accommodating modems (e.g., MoIP for fax machines) when correctly configured. But if you're paying the PSTN yourself, you'll still get a direct POTS connection.
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Elon, please:
Make it a more feminine shape.
Put it inna maid outfit.
Give it anime hair.
Put cat ears on it.
Make a video of it doing household chores like laundry, making a sammich, and vacuuming.

Every women in the world will reee to the heavens, but you will be an order of magnitude richer than you already are.



Anyways, are these things actually going to do anything one day? Or are they fated to just be one off Boston Dynamics-esque neat tech demos?
>>17100
I don't really see the use of a fully humanoid robot, but a set of arms that can mimic human movement quite well while having more strength and resistance would be excellent for assembling guns. I guess they would work for other similar items too, but that's the first thing that comes to mind.
>>17101
the world and everything in it was and is shaped by humans for humans, it's only logical a robot would have to be humanoid in order to perform human tasks and navigate human environments. specific purpose robots that only perform one and only one task excel at it but are also limited by the shape of their construction.
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Elon is an elite so he only cares about robots because he thinks he's one day going to have an army of robojeets to make his McDonalds. It's just another flavor of the "no lower class" eternal pipe dream. Sorry OP, you'll never get your waifubot out of him. He wants to murder you, your family, and your neighbors, and still have a functional society.
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>>17101
>a set of arms that can mimic human movement quite well while having more strength and resistance would be excellent for
/monster/clang/?
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>Haiku was my main operating system for a couple years
>As previously mentioned, I kept busy for a while with Haiku’s community and software ecosystem.
<Ultimately, I moved back to LiGNUx from Haiku because, well, it was too nice. I know it sounds silly, but it’s true! Sure, Haiku gave me some paper-cuts, but it’s an otherwise ideal system with a beautiful community. And because of that, I started feeling like I was living in a bubble. While I was enjoying a lovely system, the majority of Free Desktop users were still crawling in the muck of LiGNUx and BSD; and I didn’t like that. 
<Instead of isolating myself in a pleasant bubble, I’d rather try and make the muck more palatable; I’d rather try to improve the software ecosystem in small ways that bring it in line with my (admittedly opinionated) taste.
What...? Why are trannies so nonsensical? How can you move away from a supposedly superior OS to a supposedly worse OS because the former one is "too good"??
I don't get it if that's just a very retarded excuse for moving back to Linux because it is better than Haiku, or if he genuinely found Haiku to be ''too good' for him.
>>17116
>> I’d rather try to improve the software ecosystem in small ways that bring it in line with my (admittedly opinionated) taste.
He is butthurt the people aren't living their lives the way he wants them to. Typical wannabe tyrant behavior.
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>>17116
Is Haiku really better than Linux though? Design-wise maybe, but I expect a lot of missing features (less programs, less drivers, less updates...etc).
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>>17118
And wannabe tyrants never intend to follow the same rules they crave imposing on everyone else because they are too weak and frightened to stand on their own two feet. Moralfag busybody control-freaks are all the same, leftist and rightoid.
>>17104
Recall what the Georgia Guidestones said about keeping total human population below 500,000,000. That SHOULD register to everyone as a threat.
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>>17100
Fuck you for even bringing up that irrelevant paid zogbot Internet troll.  If he was really what people thought we'd have moon domes and aptera would be helped out by him rather than him clearly just sit  and do nothing but annoy people. 
>>17126
Do you also watch Jewtube videos about jet streams being spooky?
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>>17116
>failing to recognize obvious corpospeak
Maybe there was some real pressure dissuading him from posting his actual reasoning, maybe he's just mindfucked himself into never saying anything negative ever, who knows and who cares.
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>>17128
>implying it's not far more drooling farting donkey behavior to be a conspiracy denialist
If you're not a "conspiracy" "theorist" this late in the game, you're a lobotomized cockroach fart with down's syndrome and alzheimer's. There's no hope for you, boomerbrain.
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>>17126
The problem isn't keeping the population under 500,000,000. The problem is that it promotes the continued existence of niggers and jeets.
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>>17134
The thirteen richest families matter but one mother fucker that is famous of whomst is spammed never does matter. He's a mascot at the football game and not a real player. You'd think next the coach matters but the game itself does not matter as the refs are all paid off, paid off with your shekels that they get becuase you were dumb enough to care about a fake and gay sport. While you're afraid of shit like smart dust taking control of your brain your fear itself paralyzed you more than any creepy technology could have all becuase you think like  a propagandist rather than a libertarian that'd not care if he were being gassed or watched or etc. He'd still break the law anyway, even if called x bad names. Especially if called names. The libertarian's only weakness is reverse psychology as I'm tempted to do all the banned drugz and also dye my hair blue and transition to female. Tyrant if you don't!
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>>17116
I was about to complain that any attempt to "bring the transcendent enlightenment of Haiku to the suffering eunuchs masses" would be impossible because best part of Haiku is its kernel and scheduler being correctly designed for PC use rather than a perverted timesharing mainframe, and unfucking that would require throwing the entire OS in the trash for a rewrite.

But reading the link, it appears he's mostly enamored with the userland environment, especially the FS & filebrowser. Replacing eunuchs' FS with something more BeOS inspired so far as metadata/RDb features (indeed, ZFS/Btrfs is already a few steps in this direction) would  actually be feasible if difficult, and replacing the filebrowser and adding a few APIs for an enhanced app suite would be trivial, because default desktop Linux apps are themselves trivial piffle.

>>17123
It's most of the good ideology of the classic Mac, but updated from the '80s to the '90s. So yes, about a trillion times better designed than eunuchs.
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How the thread started:
>>17100
How it's going:
>>17141
>>17137
There is overpopulation, but the excess biomass isn't of human flesh. And all the true Israelites must do is cut off all gibs and build a wall, then adopt the following policy: "if you attempt to cross the border, you will die like a dog", and let natural selection take its course as they eat each other over such mysterious and powerful artifacts as our Nike sneakers left behind and electric generators and vending machines we didn't care to dismantle for parts.
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>>17144
Mac was super expensive in the 80's and pretty shitty for gaming on compared to C64, much less Atari ST and especially the Amiga. The market was basically rich snobs, schools (where Apple products were funneled through via government grants) and businesses who thought it might save them training costs or something. Although this last part is stupid because people still had to be trained on GUI software, and especially so the more  features and bloat they added as time went on.
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>>17157
The idea Macs were always overpriced was based on the false assumption that cheaper SKUs of other platforms were actually usable. By the time you upgraded away their numerous deficiencies (low-rez, nonsquare pixels, low bit-depth, interlaced scan, synth sound instead of PCM, too little RAM, too slow RAM, no floppy, no HDD, no busses but serial, no SCSI, no LAN, membrane keyboard, no mouse, no OS)  where they could actually deliver the sensible modern 32-bit experience Apple included day 1, competitors' prices were about the same or worse assuming such upgrades were even possible on the platform in question, many were not!. Even after that, no other system (then OR NOW in some ways, modern Apple included!) had plug'n'play that actually worked, e.g., AppleTalk, OSTypes, NuBus, ADB.

>pretty shitty for gaming on
Games ported to Macs always replicated the features of those other platforms with aplomb (usually with much enhancement!), in spite of Macs having no dedicated AV ASICs. This was because Macs instead spent that money on better I/O capabilities, faster busses, and faster CPUs. Incidentally, IMHO, the reliance of those other platforms on ASICs was what ultimately killed them, as Commodore/Atari/Acorn/Sharp/etc. weren't able to upgrade those ASICs fast enough to keep up with what an unconstrained 68030/80386 could do all by itself, on a fraction of the R&D budget and economies of scale Nintendo/Sega/etc. were pouring into newer console ASICs.

The actual reason Mac gaming sucked was because Apple intentionally sabotaged it and snubbed gamedevs, out of insecurity over the Apple ]['s popularity as a game machine hurting Apple's chances in the enterprise market. Well, that and pre-Mac II models all being B&W-only, plus no bundled dev tools.

>people still had to be trained on GUI software
Only slightly. Once you have the basics down, comprehensive and consistently designed GUIs (which old Mac software were, thanks to the HIG) presented an intuitive learning curve from slowly clicking on clearly labeled menus or buttons, to fast keyboard shortcuts and gestures. As opposed to a totally opaque CLI where if you can even guess what the command you want is, you have to consult the manpage (which many non-*N*Xs lacked an integrated equivalent of!) for args any time you do something unfamiliar, or worse yet editing "'human readable' data" in .CFG/.INI files whose format may or may not be completely and accurately documented.

That the fastest way to do something unfamiliar on a "modern" computer with completely crappy GUI (if any!) is cargo cult scripts Google'd off Stack Exchange, confirms the bankruptcy of these regressive days.
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>>17158
> SCSI
Most poorfags in the 80's had to make do with cassette tapes. A floppy drive was really the best a hobbyist could expect.
> ASICS suck
No they were actually very good. That's why a 7 MHz 68000 Amiga still managed to  keep up into the early 90's with 33 Mhz 386 PC for 2D games like pic-related. And the Amiga used much less RAM, and didn't need you to buy a sound card. Of course, 3D FPS games ultimately changed everything, but the PC also needed more power to run Doom (on the 386DX/33 you had to set low-detail and shink the screen to get a playable framerate, yeah I played it on a friend's computer with these specs).
> This was because Macs instead spent that money on better I/O capabilities, faster busses, and faster CPUs.
That's where they expected the user to spend lotsa money. Except in the 80's only businesses could afford it. Anyway if you did have money, you could buy an Amiga 2000 or 3000 and have the same upgrades, and even better shit like Video Toaster. Amiga kicked the ass of all Macs back then. But in the 90's the management fucked things up royally and the biggest mistake they made was not manufacturing a better ASIC to replace the old chipset. Instead of using the AAA chipset the engineers at Commodore had been working on, they used instead a much lamer version (AGA) that was barely adequate. So then nobody had any good reason to buy Amiga anymore, because it was no longer anything special.
> consult the manpage
Nobody does that at work, except maybe some techies. The end users, the ones actually using the software, they have to be trained on the system no matter what the interface is. You can give them a simple menu interface like an ATM and it will suffice. The ATM doesn't need a mouse, it doens't need icons and all that bullshit. That kind of simple interface is sufficient for a whole lotta cases, but they shove GUI everywere nowadays because it's all about marketing and using latest bullshit technologies and trying to look slick because that way the stupid fuck manager who's job it is to buy software will hand over the company credit card and buy the thing that everyone else is using, to cover his spinless ass. Because ultimately he's not doing his job, he's just looking out for himself, same as all the other corportate wage slaves. And that's why the computer industry is in the sorry ass state it is: nobody quesions anything. At most they buy "Think different!" brand instead of actually thinking different. Yep, I don't expect any of this to change, it's FUBAR.
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Did the switch from m68k to PPC in the 90s kill the Apple of old even before Steve Jewbs reality distorted it into the abomination it is now?
Was there anything JDM PC manufacturers could've done not to succumb to the Windows menace?
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>>17162
I don't think so. The Mac was popular for desktop publishing and graphics art, and the desktop publishing mostly just migrated to web format instead of physical documents. But that's just my ousider's impression. I only met one dude with a Mac (one of the low-end budget models) and that was at university in the mid 90's. That was before Win95 totally engulfed everything, and there were still a bunch of people using various computers that weren't IBM PCs & clones. Also it was at a time when most people still only had a dialup shell account (usually some kind of Unix system) and so basically everything was text-oriented, much like the BBS scene. So what that meant in practice is any computer with a modem could get online, even an 8-bit computer. This all changed when the corporate faggots pushed for Web 2.0 and now you have all this bloated shit everywhere that's centralized via cückflare and doesn't even work as good as Usenet and gopher (or even Web 1.0) did on much weaker hardware.
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>>17160
>3D FPS games ultimately changed everything
>an Amiga 2000 or 3000 and have the same upgrades
Case in point as to one of the major problems with the ASIC approach. Not only were they idle in apps that hadn't been predicted yet, sometimes limitations they imposed broke those apps, as was the case with the Amiga's weird video HW making it impossible for games like Marathon or Doom to push pixels onscreen properly even with a CPU more than powerful enough to do everything itself if given room to breath. Incidentally, the present state of vidya graphics is the result of this same problem in the opposite direction. An entire generation of vidya devs grew up in the cuckcage of fixed-function Gouraud-shaded bitmap-textured triangles, their crippled ASSumptions baked so deep into middleware, that even as reprogrammable hardware was gradually reintroduced, nobody really uses it. So ideas like fractals, voxels, NURBS, and true RTRT, are civilizational lost knowledge.
>Video Toaster
Good feather in the cap of the Amiga I'll admit, especially including LightWave. But Macs had the Spigot, which also gave us Premiere and Cinepak.
>the biggest mistake they made was not manufacturing a better ASIC to replace the old chipset
IIRC, they (like the other competitors I mentioned) tried, but in-house silicon teams couldn't keep up with Motorola/Intel/etc. cranking out faster CPUs more frequently, subsidized by way larger sales volumes.
>That kind of simple interface is sufficient for a whole lotta cases
Sure, but between a TUI and a full blown REPL, there's a ton of applications TUIs simply can't do that more powerful GUIs like WIMP add feature discoverability to. Heck, I'd argue the modern reincarnation of TUIs is in fact tablet/phone/console UIs, consume-only narrowly specific UIs for the modern dumb terminal. Nowhere in there is a legitimate use case for CLI, an abomination of the '70s that never should've existed, spawning in the shadow of better ideas. I'll admit the Lisa/Mac team's Original Sin™ was failing to carry over the REPL from Smalltalk, totally fumbling important experiments like HyperCard and MacBasic, so that when dev tools did ship they were stillborn and uninspiring slop like MPW & Think C similar to the IDEs we suffer with to this day.

>>17162 
IMHO, while getting in with IBM and souring the relationship with Motorola did plant a seed of corruption in Apple, the worst thing the PPC did was to the OTHER Motorola customers.

See, before RISC hit, essentially every non-Intel platform that went 32-bit chose m68k, from cheap PCs (Apple/Commodore/Atari/Sharp/etc.), to high-end workstations and minicomputers (Sun/SGI/HP/Apollo/etc.), some of whom had even been on the opposite side of the Z80/6502 divide, forming a sort of united front against Intel. All of this was supposed to carry over to the m88k RISC. Except Apple got cold feet over a slight delay, brought in IBM to combine m88k with POWER, and created PPC for the Power Macs. Not only did this further delay the RISC transition for Macs, it (combined with IMHO true rumors of Apple execs doing this as part of an abortive scheme to offer Apple for sale to IBM) sent shockwaves of confusion and fear throughout the other m68k users, who fled to make their own new RISC ISAs if they were rich enough high-margin pro platforms, or simply fucking starved to death if they were.

In order to maintain a credible defense against Intel, all of these tried to ally with each other and Microsoft on common platforms (ARC/Jazz for MIPS, PReP/CHRP/POE for PPC, AlphaPC for Alpha, etc.) that would all run each others' OSs. But because none of them seriously targeted the consumer mass market in addition to the higher margin pro market, there were no economies of scale like the IBM WinTel clones to motivate participation.

All this gave Intel time to unfuck the Pentium, which (especially the PPro) hobbled along well enough to cannibalize those platforms, and any survivors were eventually mopped up in the Itanium scam though IMHO that ultimately wouldn't have been necessary because Linux and Beowulf clusters were already having catastrophic effects.

All in all, if the m88k hadn't been fucked over, the contemporary OS/2-NT rift between MS & IBM could well have spelled doom for the WinTel platform in the '90s.

>>17163 
>before Win95 totally engulfed everything
It can't be overstated what a huge leap that was for WinTel, combined with the Pentium/K5 and PCI, plus new gens of sound/graphics/network/storage adapters. It instantly brought a platform that compared badly to many 8-bit micros, up to the level of a mediocre 32-bit micro. Just go on MobyGames and compare multiplatform screenshots between the early & late '90s, IBM was just absolute rancid diarrhea before Win95.
>everything was text-oriented, much like the BBS scene
There were also nifty platform-specific protocols with native clients/servers, like FirstClass and Hotline. Sadly, everything popular enough to be useful in the normalfag world is now centralized webshit, like Discord and Google Docs.
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>>17163
Oh and
>Web 2.0 
Similar to the inevitable downfall of the WIMP GUI wrought by the failure of Apple and their imitators to keep "use" and "programming" combined as a REPL like in Smalltalk, this was also a result of a failure by the creators of the web.

Originally, there wasn't supposed to be such a thing as a "browser" or an "editor," instead both tasks were done using the same software, originally WorldWideWeb (this carried over to subsequent W³C "testbed" browser/editors, Arena and Amaya, before the W³C admitted the web had become totally unsalvagable). Moreover, humans were not ever supposed to see nor touch implementation details like HTML or URLs. Instead, all of this occurred graphically, and was mediated by a standard API, Libwww.

Unfortunately, as many of the best parts of the web were tied to advanced NeXT features, crossplatform Libwww development seemed to be going a little too slow, so as a temporary stopgap measure, the browsing-only crossplatform Line Mode Browser was released.

This caused retards to badly reimplement a bunch of shit they shouldn't have, including editors, servers, JS, CSS, plug-ins, and extensions. Ultimately, things spiraled further and further out of control until WHATWG usurped W³C to abort XHTML 5, marking the moment the inmates officially took over the asylum and condemned us to eternal damnation.
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>>17166
>Web 2.0
Web 4.0 when?
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>>17167
Probably when, like EdgeHTML & Presto before it, the last figleaf distinguishing the HTML "living standard" from the behavior of Chrome's Blink source tree dies.
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>>17100
>Make it a more feminine shape.
if only...
>>17165
>the Lisa/Mac team's Original Sin™ was failing to carry over the REPL from Smalltalk, totally fumbling important experiments like HyperCard and MacBasic, so that when dev tools did ship they were stillborn and uninspiring slop like MPW & Think C similar to the IDEs we suffer with to this day.
>>17166
>the inevitable downfall of the WIMP GUI wrought by the failure of Apple and their imitators to keep "use" and "programming" combined as a REPL like in Smalltalk
Could you elaborate on this?
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>>17165
So sorry anon, too busy mirin those stylish UIs.
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Cool.
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>>17171
Okay, so back when "operating a computer" could first be done, as distinguished from physically rewiring its guts to hardcode each program, the first "loadable software", computers still weren't really "interactive".

Instead, through the 1960s computers were generally operated either by toggling switches and lights on a panel to directly alter registers during execution/stepwise incrementation, or "batch" loading instructions (including the first "languages") on punchcard stacks/tapes/etc. for unattended execution.

Then came the adoption of truly "interactive" consoles, using live output such as a paper line printer or video, and live input such as a keyboard or lightpen. But mindsets changed surprisingly little, as instead of working like a modern UI, these first UIs simply combined the two earlier methods, so that the old batch programming languages were now also the entire environment and interface. Instead of a separate "OS" and "shell" with special "scripting" languages for job control of "programs" written in another language, the sole interface was a language (such as LISP, BASIC, Forth, or Pascal) in addition to inline ASM that could be both interpreted a line at a time for user interaction, or compiled to storage to produce reusable software.

As graphics came increasingly to the fore especially in the 1970s, this mindset carried directly over into pioneering projects such as the oN-Line System, Xanadu, PLATO, Alto/Star, Lilith, and Smalltalk. Sadly, when Apple went to make the first mass market version of this with the Lisa/Mac, they copied (and, TBF, improved on!) its surface level desktop metaphor WIMP GUI first while attempting to bolt on programming post-facto, failing to understand (in spite of poaching many devs straight from Xerox) how fundamentally intertwined the two must be from the start in order for either to achieve their true potential.

Further development of various graphical interactive programming solutions on top of the Mac inside Apple almost immediately stalled, and everybody else shamelessly copied Apple's approach 1:1 (Windows, X, GEM, etc.) without even the rigorously user test-derived HIG Apple promulgated. Simultaneously, a related degeneration was occurring on the text side of things due especially to UNIX & DOS, where CLIs and OSs were both gaining many responsibilities formerly held by programming languages, and losing the ability to comprehend structured data and metadata through IPC, instead just blasting around mysterious streams of text.

By the end of the 1980s, everything had gone irrevocably to shit. The standard continuing to this day of any automation from "app" "coding" to even the simplest macros mostly being done in a totally opaque CLI, while intuitive GUIs are mostly just used for running prebuilt apps without any access to even the simplest automation features, became set in stone.

There are still some actively developed platforms of this type you can tinker with today if you're so inclined, or to get an idea of what could be, such as McCLIM and Oberon/Bluebottle (arguably TempleOS is a little like this too).
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GUIs are all niggerlicious now. I just can't care about them at all. It was kinda fun back in the old days they did some fun/imaginative shit with them on Atari and Amiga. Like on Amiga, the icon to launch The Secret of Monkey Island was ridiculously huge and funny. They would never do something like that these days. It's all slick and souless now. We had floppy-disk copying programs with crazy interfaces like pic that got Christmas editions with snow and Santa Claus and presents and everything. They had some that had demoscene effects. You had cracktros and other scene stuff. Today everything is just plain boring, and somehow manages to eat up humougous resources. Ugh, count me out! My plain is just to get some 80's computers when the prices come down and then I just won't care whatever happens to the modern computer scene.
>>17182
I guess I would have to try out one of those interfaces to fully appreciate it, but do I understand correctly that a crude example would be letting the user redefine what items appear in a menu if he right clicks somewhere, or even letting him entirely redefine what the right click does in the first place?
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>>17185
Yes. The entire system is written in the same language (or languages and formats defined with it), with everything installed running as essentially one giant program, all code and data in memory and storage is logically the same pool. All of this can be freely edited, connected, appended, and deleted, with changes anywhere propagating everywhere in realtime.
Is Emacs divine intellect, or is it niggerlicious? I don't mean it as a text editor, because it is definitely too much voodoo for that, but if you use it for 90% of tasks on a computer, then it seems to be a highly customizable keyboard driven interface, even if they default keybindings are not the best for everyone. But then you can just replace them thanks to its customizable nature.
>>17192
>interface
Thinking about it a bit, that might not be the right word. Desktop environment would be also incorrect simply because it doesn't rely on the desktop metaphor, so maybe it should be called a workstation environment, with workstation referring to a computer a single user uses to accomplish whatever tasks he wants to accomplish.
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>>17192
>>17193
Just call it a lisp environment.

Anyway, depends on what you want to do with it. I think the demands of the new generation of devs is killing it. If you start adding more modern tooling to it, like an LSP server, a linter, etc, you quickly run into the problem that emacs is single-threaded, and everything starts locking up because it was never made to interface with so many things at once. So you see them coming up with cancer like https://github.com/emacs-ng/emacs-ng which completely nullifies the purpose of running emacs, which is to have a reliable lisp environment to perform your tasks, not the other way around. Single-threadedness is actually a benefit, otherwise it would be practically impossible to reason about a globally mutable state without making it prohibitively complex. At any rate I'd rather see emacs die than become some rustranny webshit abomination.

But vanilla emacs is simple enough that you can learn everything from within. F10, M-x info and C-h ? is all you need to discover new features and how to do different things. If you like being in control, don't mind tinkering a bit, using your brain, and you don't mind lisp, yes, it's like finding enlightenment. If this does not apply to you then I'm sorry.
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>>17192
Can you write an interrupt handler in Emacs?
>>17182
>Okay, so back when "operating a computer" could first be done, as distinguished from physically rewiring its guts to hardcode each program
The first programmable, fully automatic digital computer was the Z3 in Germany finished in 1941. The programs were on a punched tape.
Glowniggers needed a while to make use of the nazi technology they had stolen.
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>>17100
>more feminine shape
Xpeng has got you covered.
https://archive.is/mpimU
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>>17234
Anon why is there a bulge?
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>>17192
I use Emacs over Vim or NeoVim because of a few reasons:

* Emacs is more integrated than other editors. The keybindings follow similar patterns everywhere (even if you use extension packages).
* Emacs is a bit similar as LispM, Smalltalk systems or older Forth systems.
* You don't pay for anything you don't use. Having a ton of stuff installed doesn't slow down Emacs if you don't actively use those packages.
* native-comp (JIT via libgcc) and running Emacs as daemon fixes most performance issues.
* Emacs is self-documenting and easily discoverable. Just try typing C-h ? or M-x customize.
  * The manual is also great.
  * You can use describe-* functions to inspect Emacs state.
* I actually prefer Emacs keybindings over Vim because I learned them faster for whatever reason.
  * You can use evil-mode (vi-emulation) / map caps-lock to ctrl but I never needed to do either.
* Emacs has a few "killer apps": slime/sly, magit, org-mode, dired and TRAMP.
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>>17255
> Emacs is a bit similar as ... older Forth systems.
I'm just not seeing it, man. Forth is really, really smol. Emacs is really, really beeeg.
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>>17256
Yeah, I think I should have explained what I meant. I got this idea when I read:
>https://ratfactor.com/forth/the_programming_language_that_writes_itself.html

Forth is also pretty interesting because it's the language that writes itself. You mold the system and the language (which are the same thing in Forth) to solve your problem. Forth is low-level but it can become as high-level as you make it. Emacs is similar in the sense that you can change pretty much anything. This way you can use the elisp environment to program the editor work exactly the way you want. You can even implement extension packages that do something else besides editing text. Saving Forth system to a cassette is similar to how images work in Smalltalk or Lisp.
>>5022 (OP) 
I just found the perfect software license because gpl is muh communish and bsd is le cuck.

                        ===========================
                          BIG BILL HELL'S LICENSE
                        ===========================

                           FUCK YOU, OPEN-SOURCE!

If you're dumb enough to want to copy this software, you're a big enough
schmuck to abide by BIG BILL HELL'S LICENSE (BBHL):

| 1. BAD TERMS
| 2. CODE THAT BREAKS DOWN
| 3. THIEVES

--------------
1. BAD TERMS
--------------

If you think you're going to find permissive terms in BIG BILL'S, you can
kiss my ASS.  It's our belief that you're such a stupid motherfucker,
you'll depend on this bullshit, GUARANTEED.  If you make a derivative work:
Shove it up your ugly ASS.  You heard us right: Shove it up your ugly ASS.

--------------------------
2. CODE THAT BREAKS DOWN
--------------------------

Bring your CHANGE; bring your REPRO; bring your SPOUSE--we'll fuck them!
That's right, we'll fuck your SPOUSE.  Because under the BBHL, you're fucked
six ways from Sunday.

------------
3. THIEVES
------------

Make a hack with BBHL, home of CHALLENGE GITTING. That's right:

3.a. CHALLENGE GITTING
----------------------
How does it work?  If you submit six PRs straight into main that don't need
feedback, you get no Contributor License Agreement (CLA).


DON'T SELL; DON'T DISTRIBUTE; DON'T FORK FROM US, OR WE'LL RIP YOUR BITS OFF.

ONLY WITH BBHL: THE ONLY LICENSE THAT TELLS YOU TO FUCK OFF.

HURRY UP, ASSHOLE, THESE TERMS TAKE EFFECT THE MINUTE YOU WRITE A LINE OF
CODE, AND IT BETTER NOT BREAK, OR YOU'RE A DEAD MOTHERFUCKER.

GO TO HELL.  BIG BILL HELL'S LICENSE: OPEN-SOURCE'S FILTHIEST AND EXCLUSIVE
TERMS OF THE MEANEST (SONS OF) BITCHES IN THE WHOLE COMMUNITY, GUARANTEED.
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It's my first time seeing this "culture" URL tag. Is "language" a non-politically correct term now?
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>>17279
Maybe webmonkey in charge of it didn't know the word "locale"? Assuming it affects things like date format.
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>>17103
>shaped by humans for humans
In what world do you live? Must be really cool to be able to walk in the middle of the street without risking being murdered by 10-ton bricks on wheels.
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>>17235
A penis is a bonus for me honestly.
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>>17290
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>>17291
I'm not into men, only trannies, so I'm straight.
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>>17234
>tfw
>>17281
So when they told you to play in traffic.....
>>17103
>>17101
It's shaped by the rich for the rich and Elon is a troll implying that these will replace the poor little workers as they genocide us all. If it's human shaped it's so they can drive cars, stock shelves, fly planes, carry the rich people around hospitals when they fall and cannot get up, whipe their asses, etc. If we were to slowly automate things then you don't need to suddenly have a robot fill the goyim's shape thus it's a threat is all and the powers like trolling. They cost too much, such robots, so they'll never actually use them as the powers are rich and powerful due to never actually doing anything lest they go broke, otherwise we'd have moon domes and shit. It's a fake and gay threat to have a placeholder goyim. It typing ona  computer is the dumbest looking shit ever and so is launching a car into outer space and back when I read he did that I decided I did not like him and that was before he was an Internet troll. Stop giving him attention/power through mentioning him it's as gay as inserting the Kardashians into an imageboard. The more poor the low level workers the less likely they'd use this shit. As they imply they're getting rid of the browns and that whites will have to have blue collar jobs and lower it actually negates these things even existing as they will cost more than the goy will make in his entire life. It's a fake threat due to this and they probably won't even get rid of the browns as  white men are giving up on working hard while not being paid enough for it. Plenty will pearl clutch and get thankful they're around the browns though, that's the ultimate mind game here. "At least they didn't kill us all yet!" And they never ever will. Even if these things get cheap the rich are too lazy to program/repair them so they'll still have the goyim do it and the technologically inclined goyim is not the rich business man that owns such devices ergo the poor cannot be killed off until scientists/programemrs/engineers are paid more than anybody else of which would mean the business men sharing power/money and that's not gonna happen either. Even if they did all that the rich are pussies so they'd sit there fearing a Cylon/Terminator situation and nope the fuck out. That and they're often Christians to begin with, of which negates not only the move of mass murdering goyim but also makes the get the magical thought of the thing being basically an affront to god.  They want to be seen as good people and to be worshippped as lords they do and a soulless robot cannot worshp them. Me, I'd take the robot and so would you but these are rich people that got their asses kissed their whole life by the goyim. Why mess with that, the status quo? No sudden replacement would ever happen in any case. Also, why do these things look like they were made circa 2000? To make them stick out to get your attention. if it looked more realistic then you'd not notice it so much. What's sick is that the goyim don't even see any of this shit for what it is. A constant psyop. A gayop rather. Here we have a  LITERAL zogbot! Be afraid goyim! Be very afraid!
>>17290
Then again y'all gay so keep on gagging on his dick all over the Internet I can't stop you from being homosexual. Tell Kim I said hi
I doubt robots of the future will actually be humanoids, at least not the ones intended to do real work. While the idea that tech oligarchs want robot maids is cute, it doesn't change the fact that the human shape is much less efficient for any given task than a robot with a specialized shape. And if this brutalist society we live in has any shown us pattern, it's that industrial and economic efficiency always take precedent over beauty and aesthetic.
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>>17307
That works for me as well.
>tentavaginas that forcefully drain me of all my seed
>>17313
>emacs for irc
u r the most retarded fkin faggot on earth with terminal autism u cant b healed. emacs is not a thing, its an autist hobby. nobody fukin cares about the fac that u wired up sum retarded way of running wat would otherwise b real software insted as a plugin in ((( (((LISP ))))))) in ur editor
emacs literally has non stop rce / code execution on file interaction vulns cus its programmed by retarded lisp monkeys. ur not only unattractive to normies but fail in the realm of nerds as well
>>17280
Bing Copilot says it's terminology from .NET and means the same as locale.
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linux distros are for cucks. if you're a programmer or even an "IT admin" you should be able to run your own OS, not relying on someone too pick your packages for you like a good little pooky bear. and as you can see, once you go Linux From Scratch, it's a never ending nightmare of infinite rabbit holes, and for no real reason, it's just poorly designed uncoordinated shit with 15 implementations of what should just be the one way package management (e.g make, autoshit, cmake, ninjew, meson). hell if you want GUIs you will get 5 different GUI stacks just to have something that a normalfag could do on windows 95 (edit images, maps, multitrack editor, disassembler)

daily reminder that UN*X is made by autistic imbeciles and no matter what you do in it, even pressing a button in an image viewer, music browser, or even "less" reformats your file system or opens up a remote code execution vulnerability of some sort
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>>17467
The lack of awareness here is fascinating. Enjoy your self-inflicted suffering, I guess.
>>17161
Kobo kanaeru......
People still exist here? Good, but lol
If (You) could time travel back to the mid-1930s in an attempt to create a better future for computing, what would you do in this regard?
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>>17553
TKD TPD TND in that order
if this fucking bullshit doesnt stop
>update update update!
>OKAY FUCK
5 minutes later
>update update update!
or worse
>gah this tab just crashed
>update to continue using feceschimpanzee
im going to strap down everyone at the next un*x conf and put carrots into their fucking assholes
firefox and anything based on it is NOT REAL FUCKING SOFTWARE
fuck the web if this doesnt get fixed. there needs 2 be a mainstream supported browser that isnt cancer
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Ever watch Technology Connections? I watched a lot of his vids, but lately he's been pissing me off.

Dude has a fucking obsession with electrified vehicles and electrification of everything to the point of having gone on several tangents about  this in his videos. Turns out, he's bogstandard wokie liberal too. bonus points for living in Chicago. 

Alec needs to make less videos preaching about electricity and more on old technology.
>>18400
I literally had that exact video pop up for me a few weeks ago. I made the mistake of thinking it would be some critical takes on solar from a neutral perspective, but it was entirely apologia. I closed the video when he said that the cost was basically free. Seemed a bit retarded.
>>18400
My main issue with that solar video is that a little bit of his old channel's self is back: he's got that condescending smug.
I have other issues with that video:
1 - He's usually good about data. Was there even a single graph the entire video? For example, he mentioned that "Solar has been getting cheaper and cheap--" which is true, but then just throw up the bog standard NRES chart showing that then!
2 - He kept saying that "Now I don't think the solution is for individuals to put solar on their houses--" Why not? Your logic kind of makes that case. Wouldn't that sort of action get you what you want, anyways? Porque no los dos?
3 - Did he mention hail once during the entire video?
4a - Just in general, when Youtube tries to show me the same @$#!ing video 30 times, I am immediately in a bad mood about it. I'll go into it thinking, "GOD FUCKING DAMMIT CIA. FINE. I'LL WATCH YOUR GLOWING PROPAGANDA FOR A MINUTE SO YOU'LL LEAVE ME THE FUCK ALONE!" and generally be pissy watching it for that whole minute picking the entire thing apart.
4b - I think what he's doing here is he said #2 because that would get him upranked by DARPA Lifelog Algo bullshit. If he had an individualist message about this, NONE of us would've seen this video. But since he's arguing for corporate subsidies from the government, now we all have to see that same fucking thumbnail 30 fucking times.
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>>18408
>4
>doesn't know there's a "stop recommending this video" button

p.s.
don't waste time picking apart retarded arguments, that's the real psyop, getting ((( engagement )))
>>18400
yeah I like his videos
>>18400
He went full poltard even since he moved to bluesky because "twitter is oh-so-terrible these days". Which seems to be a common trend. I stopped watching him about that time, dude is too deep in his own bubble to provide any useful insight.
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>>18412
Poltard is a term that just never landed for me. It occured to me as I looked at your post that politard flows a bit better, but it also sounds a bit too much like baby boomer lingo for my liking.
>>18408
>"GOD FUCKING DAMMIT CIA. FINE. I'LL WATCH YOUR GLOWING PROPAGANDA FOR A MINUTE SO YOU'LL LEAVE ME THE FUCK ALONE!" 

It's commies, not glowfags this time. Dave Wiskus, the owner of Nebula is ((( friends ))) with youtube's algorithm guy, he's commie as fuck and is the reason breadtube and other leftist cancer channels get precedence on the youtube algo for no reason and get shittons of views out of fucking nowhere.
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