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No.15628
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The modern internet is absolute cancer, so here's some old-school alternatives to some of the major aspects of the modern web. If you have any others you'd like to mention and discuss, feel free.

Instead of social media and forums, try using Usenet and BBSes. There exists many a BBS to choose from, and you can even create your own. Usenet newsgroups exist for many, many topics, and if you wanna create one (ideally based on a topic with some decent amount of appeal), you can even present your idea to the folks at alt.config and they *may* create a newsgroup for you.

Instead of blogging on sites like Tumblr, Myspace, and all those sites with period blood smeared all over them, try running a Gopherspace. It's text-only and uncluttered, and there's no JavaShit to bog down the experience.

Instead of GitHub, host all your code on an FTP site. And instead of posting videos to JewTube, you can make the videos downloadable on that same FTP site, along with anything else you wanna offer up.

Finally, instead of insecure messaging applications, use encrypted email.
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No.15629 
>>15628 (OP) 
Your points are correct, but you might want to update your copypasta. You mention Tumblr, Myspace, and Jewtube as the modern web, when it's really Substack, BlueSky, and TikTok.  It's like listening to a boomer complain about these new T.V. shows and when you ask him which ones he hates he says Space Patrol and The Fatman.
Also, you say old-school alternatives like FTP, Gopher, and 'encryption', but why not newer stuff like Zeronet, Gemini, and mailinabox?
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No.15631 
>>15628 (OP) 
>And instead of posting videos to JewTube, you can make the videos downloadable on that same FTP site
How about peertube? Granted, I don't have any first hand experience with it, but the basic idea is that anyone watching the video also uploads it to anyone else watching the same time. Also, you could share your videos as normal torrent files too.
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No.15633 
>>15629
>>15631
Yeah, those are all perfectly valid choices, and I even use the Fediverse, Gemini, and occasionally ZeroNet, I just especially like the more "retro" old-school networks/protocols. 

I should've also mentioned various "dark web" protocols like I2P, Freenet, and Tor. Oh well, hindsight's always 20-20.

I'd especially love to see a text-based chansite that you can run from a terminal browser and browse over I2P.
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No.15636
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>>15629
Zeronet sucks, I tried running it after cuckflare blocked 8ch.net, but the web interface is just awful and slow.
Anyway OP forgot about IRC, finger, MUDs (and related shit), and PBEM.
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No.15640 
>>15633
You could go really old school and talk about sneakernet dead drops.

There used to be a wide community across 4chan/etc. that used a browser add-on that allowed steganographic comms. It was pretty neat as when it was at the height of its popularity, there was essentially a completely uncensored "second channel" of comms going on on all the chans. Over time, it was basically used entirely by Russians.
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No.15642
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>>15640
Test w/PassLok. This isn't the extension I remember. The one I remember was completely integrated. It'd make a little box in the bottom-right of the screen pop up with the side-channel discussions going on in a thread.
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No.15643 
>>15640
>>15642
There was something like that to come out of Lainchan awhile back.
No.15644 
Oh, I just remembered after taking a fat shit. It was called DesuDesuTalk or DesuDesuChat. Something like that.
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No.15647 
>>15644
Yeah, that was it!  DDT!

Alright, let's give it a shot...
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No.15648 
Hrm, one more test...
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No.15652 
>>15647
>>15648
So does it work with this board software?
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No.15654 
>>15652
No. I gave up after that. It doesn't look like it posts the image. :/
No.15659 
>>15628 (OP) 
Here's an old school alternative...anyone still play any MU*s in 2025?
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No.15660
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>>15659
Even if nobody does, anyone who wants to can still start one up.
List of known MUDs here:
http://web.archive.org/web/20090820043750/http://geocities.com/mud_gallery/
No.15674 
>>15628 (OP) 
Is there something like Neocities/Angelfire/Geocities only for free gopher site hosting?
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No.15679 
>>15674
Seems like sdf.org does, but the site is a bit obtuse. Visit it in your favourite gopher browser and see if you can do a better job of figuring out the details than I've managed.
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>>15679
That SDF.org thing isn't totally free, you have to send in some cash by mail or via paypal to get "validated" or something.
I think you'd be better off to just run your own gopher server at home, it's not like it needs much hardware. The gopher.su dude was using an old playstation with Linux on it, but any old ARM SBC would work just as well, even the really low-end ones. And basically this is better because you could also run other stuff on them, like for example a telnet BBS or MUD.
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No.15691 
>>15680
If I wanted to be autistic I would start going on about the costs of running even a device you got for free versus a one time donation, and also point out that they provide e-mail and webspace too, but to be perfectly honest, I too would err on the side of running your own server. Although there is the question of how to get a permanent IP address, and also a domain if you want to get fancy, so maybe SDF is still a simpler and cheaper option than renting a virtual private server and paying for a domain.
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No.15695 
>>15691
The main attraction of doing it at home is you have complete control over the system, run any hardware, OS, server even custom ones who write yourself (it's not like gopher or text BBS and MUDs are huge and complicated).
IP address doesn't have to be static, there's free dynamic DNS services and you don't even need to register a domain name unless you want to.
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No.15696 
>>15695
Is there a good guide? What free dynDNS services are there? How do I self-host while minimizing downtimes?
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No.15697 
>>15695
You also get smtp port blocked because of isps.
>>15696
There is no good guides other than a search engine and manuals. All guides serves as introduction, you need to know what you are doing to keep your server up.
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No.15698 
>>15697
It's not worth running a mail server anyway because of all the spam.
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No.15699 
>>15698
rspamd
>t. selfhosted mail server enjoyer
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>>15699
But there's nothing fun about running a spam filter. It just wastes a lot of resources. I'd rather just let my ISP handle it, since I'm already paying them for that shit.
No.15743 
simply host your http site as txt files on tor&i2p. you can use images and video, just link them separately. gemini and gopher are bloat and memes. not just html, all markup is bloat.
>ftp
absolutely no reason for that shit. host big files as torrents (including over i2p to hide your ip)
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No.15751 
>>15743
Gopher doesn't use markup. It's really just very, very simple and small.
gopher://gopher.floodgap.com/0/gopher/tech/rfc1436.txt
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No.15976
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>>15751
So you can just use curl to get a gopher site, and then just push or pipe it to your heart's content. Neat.
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No.15977
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>>15976
Although bombadillo has built in functionality to save pages, and the formatting seems to be better.
No.16012
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>>15636
irc is absolutely dead outside of the channels that are filled with ADHD nerds that only use it as background "noise" and who are AFK most of the time, tyrannical mods and trannies
a couple cuck/g/ generals had decent channels but i think they're dead now
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No.16013
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>>15743
>all markup is bloat
Let me guess, you use NetBSD on a TTY with ed as your editor and wget as your "browser".
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No.16015 
>>16013
>((( gnu ))) wget
Go away gpl cuck.
No.16019 
>>16012
My whole life I've never understood IRC. Every time I logged on to a channel it was dead. I remember one that had a thousand people on, and it took like 15 minutes to get a reply to "Hello." The smaller ones weren't chatrooms, they were more like weirdly set up internet forums.
Now everybody has moved over to Dick Sword. You're still making a pseudonymous account, but now it gets to be centralized in one easy place for all the PRISM glowniggers.
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No.16029 
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There are some interesting proxies here, but most of them don't really want to load in bombadillo. Any browser recommendations? I've picked that one simply because it can also do gemini.
No.16032 
>yes because we are totally going to do that and it won't be a ghost town like at all 
>>15629
>knowing about the new normalnigger "services"
Ok normalfag. 
>>16012
>mods
That and spambots when there are no mods at all is why I gave up on it myself years ago.
No.16033 
>>16019
I used IRC a whole lot in the 90's (EFnet and Undernet) and it was very active. Later on in mid 2000's I hopped on another IRC network (Freenode) to get some technical help. That one too was very active. But I haven't bothered with IRC since then. And I basically never used other chat software, other than the old Unix talk program.
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No.16040 
>>15628 (OP) 
The latest browsers decided to be niggers and drop support for FTP on account of it being insecure. The idea that they should support FTPS was also quickly discarded because they're fags.

FTP is still worth using though, yeah.

>>16033
IRC is a chat protocol, not chat software. The most popular IRC client is mIRC followed by stuff like HexChat. You can also just use irssi for a command-line client or if you're bored like I have been you can just straight up telnet or netcat into an IRC session.
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No.16070 
Instead of using e-mail, couldn't you exchange GPG encrypted messages over usenet? You set up a server that exchanges news with a bunch of well-established ones, your online fren does the same, but you also forward them to each other, and on top of that you could make your own newsgroup where you can exchange these messages, or even larger files. Or you could even try to hijack some random newsgroup on alt that haven't received anything for the better part of a decade, and then your private messages would bounce around for quite a while. In either case, you'd just need dynamic DNS for the server, and it would have a relatively high amount of traffic to mask those few messages you want to exchange.
No.16096 
>>16040
Sure I did the telnet thing for fun, but it's hardly usable, and you'll get ping timeout if you don't manually do it. For clients I used ircII and then BitchX. In the early days I modified someone's Tcl bot script, as a learning exercise. Anyway whatever, I don't bother with this chat crap anymore.
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