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'Useful programs'
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/list_of_applications

'Wikis'
4/g/ Wiki
https://wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php/
8/tech/ Wiki
https://wiki.cloveros.ga/Main_Page (link dead)
Linux distro wikis (can apply to all distros)
https://wiki.archlinux.org
https://wiki.gentoo.org

'Tech article sites (need to add more)'
https://digdeeper.neocities.org/ [ onion: http://digdeep4orxw6psc33yxa2dgmuycj74zi6334xhxjlgppw6odvkzkiad.onion/ ]
https://spyware.neocities.org/ [ onion: http://spywaredrcdg5krvjnukp3vbdwiqcv3zwbrcg6qh27kiwecm4qyfphid.onion/ ]
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Secure Scuttlebutt is the answer to unfucking the internet. Nobody knows about it because it's a ten year old JavaShit frankenstein made by europeans who got cold feet and abandoned it when they realised they were creating a free speech weapon.

But the mechanism of how SSB functions is very very strong. We need to bring SSB back to life and use it to build a bullet proof network now that the internet is having its throat cut.

SSB is an HTTP-equivalent protocol that has been redesigned and reimplemented here in about 1000 lines of python. If you don't like python, good news: you can reimplement it in your favorite trans or retarded language of choice with little effort.

http://lfxii7ummavpv4da4o4m6fydbrxns5q3lrp2u7qzuexzdkko7sw32aqd.onion/

Nostr and at proto were both created as shitty corpo versions of the original ssb protocol. SSB is not an alternative to them, it is their originator, and it's better because it isn't designed to be broken on purpose.

In its current state it needs hackers and application developers. If that is not you, ok. It is fully functional as a social network on the command line only. It turns out application development fucking sucks. But on the CLI it does chat, messaging and posting, and file sharing.

proof of concept ib built on ssb:
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>>18863
It doesnt work....
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>>18961
Fixed it for you.
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I was getting aggressive scraping on the ib webserver so I programmed it to 404 all requests from people running Windows. Maybe that's the problem. There isn't any reason to run something like SSB on Windows anyways since Microjeet will spy on your files directly.
I realized almost no computer users will run a prgram from bash so I am working on GUI now.
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Looks like the original book is in German, and the author is a certain Christof Hafkemeyer, and searching for his name brings up a higher resolution picture.

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I think this is big enough deal to merit pulling it out of the 'news' page into its own thread. If you don't know what's going on, a bunch of states have pulled a fast one on us and are trying to/have passed age verification laws in various states in the U.S. on the operating system level.
- Lunduke's Journal has been having a spree providing updates on it ( lunduke.substack.com )
- I made my own page to try to keep track on what you can do. Please think about sharing it (or something): https://websitereview.neocities.org/ageverification
- Reclaim the Net has a campaign trying to counter it https://reclaimthenet.org/age-verification
- The EFF has a campaign https://www.eff.org/issues/age-verification .
I've included some minor links suggested by >>18007 and >>18008 . Please keep in mind I'm a moron and don't know what I'm doing, but felt something should be done here. Please share your own sites, updates, and thoughts on the situation.
THANK YOU F
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>>18946
What the actual fuck does this have to do with social media? This is requiring you to register yourself to USE YOUR FUCKING COMPUTER AT ALL!
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>>18955
Calm down, sperg. That's exactly what that anon was saying. He was saying social media is already gay and kiked to hell, so requiring it for that is one thing, while making hardware (which is not gay and kiked to hell) require it is infinitely further down in the hellfire apparatus of jewish tikkun olam censorship and control.
>>18946
You are part of the problem. Once this gets on OS level, you'll be whining about it like a little bitch. I would care less about social media and shit, but this is a threat to anonymity and our safety.
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>>18957
Did you guys ever think about about what the jews are actually saying with this law though, it means that they really intend to intimidate and jail everyone including normies for disagreeing on the fucking internet just like what the USSR did because they're so buttmad about the suppsedly powerless g*yim writings on the internet,
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>>18958
Pretty much it. They will push the "think of the children" bullshit in order to get more control over things we speak. It works because most of the parents won't do the bare fucking minimum of policing whatever their kids do online, so the government doing it for them sounds like a win. In the end of the day, children still won't be safe, except no one won't be able to object once it gets too late.

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 Discuss alternative OSes that are not Linux, Windows or Mac OSX. 
Also post your criticism of UNIX, Windows and Fag OSX design ITT.
If you want to discuss GNU/Linux distros, there is already a thread for it: >>>/tech/530
The package manager thread can be also useful: >>>/tech/4739


Some hastily written notes...
* everyone thinks UNIX (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tc4ROCJYbm0) is still the state-of-art. Ignorants praise Windows, not knowing it's originally a dumbed down clone of VMS that has some patches ported from OS/2 (https://www.itprotoday.com/compute-engines/windows-nt-and-vms-rest-story). Some say that Windows is also still mainly a single-user system that emulates a multi-user system. I think we are living Higurashi tier time loop when it comes to operating systems...
 (and CPUs: X86 is relic from the times of Vaxen. ARM, PowerPC/Power ISA, MIPS, RISC-V are more modern and better. Even modern X86 CPUs converts CISC to RISC in the microcode!)
* Plan9 (9front? Also, see plan9port and 9base), BeOS (Haiku) and TempleOS were the last innovative operating systems that I know of. Even the OSDev people imitate UNIX.
* It's awful that a misbehaving device driver can take down the whole system. Microkernels (e.g. MINIX, GNU Hurd, seL4) or muh """hybrid kernels""" (e.g. DragonFly BSD, Haiku, ReactOS I don't know if modern Windows has a hybrid kernel.) should be the norm. MINIX is incidentally perhaps the most used OS because ((( Intel ME ))) uses it as a basis for the CIAware that runs on our fucken CPUs!
* Nearly all criticism of UNIX is historic stuff: The UNIX-HATERS Handbook (https://web.mit.edu/~simsong/www/ugh.pdf a joke), Multicians (https://www.multicians.org/) and LispM (http://fare.tunes.org/LispM.html) users...
* Worse is better or do the right thing? https://www.dreamsongs.com/RiseOfWorseIsBetter.html & https://www.dreamsongs.com/WorseIsBetter.html
* Some modern UNIX-related innovations: 9p, DTrace, Solaris Zones & FreeBSD Jails, Nix & Guix...

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>>18949
>a full blown kernel
Note Linux's seeming complexity largely stems from its unusual insistence on putting drivers in tree. The core kernel itself is actually quite small, even moreso excluding arch-specific HALs and other arguably external subsystems like storage or networking.
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>>18950
https://krzysztofjankowski.com/floppinux/floppinux-2025.html
>Think of this as Linux From Scratch but for making single floppy distribution.
>The final distribution is very simple and consists only of minimum of tools and hardware support. As a user you will be able to boot any PC with a floppy drive to a Linux terminal, edit files, and create simple scripts. There is 264KB of space left for your newly created files.
Both FreeBSD and NetBSD has a thing for compiling a kernel with only the drivers you need, although the basic installer provides everything you might or might not need. Meanwhile OpenBSD pretty much follows the Linux philosophy of installing everything and the kitchen sink to make sure that the user won't screw himself.
>>18949
At least in some cases (such as glibc's borked static linking), GNU's questionable design decisions seem to be at least partially a attempt at pushing users of GNU software towards having an entirely free or permissively-licensed operating system. I sort of get it, especially since they came out of the hyper-modifiable Lispfag culture, but it does seem a bit misguided. It definitely bites them in the ass sometimes.
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>>18950
The Linux kernel bundling all drivers is a blessing, I absolutely hated manually installing drivers back when I used Windows. Anyone who bought a new printer/webcam/controller and had to spend the afternoon installing, and sometimes debugging, drivers will agree.

>>18952
>pushing users of GNU software towards having an entirely free or permissively-licensed operating system
LMAO.
<compile FOSS program dynamically linked to glibc
<program works fine
<glibc updates 
<program stops working 
<have to re-compile program for the new glibc
<glibc updates again 
<program breaks again
<give up and install WINE to run the Windows version 
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>>18953
>If anything, glibc has pushed users away from running FOSS on Linux, and discouraged developers from releasing FOSS for Linux altogether.
>Look at the state of software distribution today; Snaps, Flatpaks, AppImages, debs and rpms. All trying to solve the same problem and all failing in different ways. None of this would have happened if glibc supported static linking and/or got its shit together.
Yeah, if that was their plan, then it definitely didn't pan out.

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>>18808
>some of the BSDs are also working on their own X(enocera) successor, Arcan.
Arcan is not tied to any of the BSDs as far as I know. Or do you mean that some people try to port it to a BSD?
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>>18808
>If you surrender the ability to run your main environment on something at least competitive with modern hardware, and access modern networks with it, you've lost the game. The moment we're squeezed into retrocomputing on a dwindling supply of eWaste quarantined from the normalfags on our own LARPnet, we've been neutralized.
That's unfortunately an important point. "Just use old hardware" and "just pirate all software" are not solutions to problems, but consumer responses. They aren't sustainable on their own, as they don't create, but cling to what others make without financially supporting them. Relying on old hardware depends on that dwinding eWaste supply you mentioned, and exclusive piracy depends on the very fragile community and technical/legal context surrounding software piracy. 
Actual solutions, on the other hand, involve providing ways to create and support those who create. You also ideally want to address the problems that push people to use cancerous software or centralized web services in the first place as opposed to you just acting dismissively towards them. Think Gaben's "piracy is a service problem," but replace piracy with whatever cancer you wish: systemd, webshit, Rust, Discord, or Steam itself.

I gotta head off now, so I can't wrap this up or expand on it the way I'd like to, but I'd suggest looking into the concept of intermediate technology. Al
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>>18815
SystemD, even against Pootering's ambitions, is still being forked into separable libs, most relevantly eudev. Admittedly this means these forks are powered by a steady supply of autistic spite that could hypothetically wink out. As for Wayland itself, its Linuxisms are little worse than other freetard/*N*X stuff that has been needlessly Linuxized over the years, such as when DRI/DRM/KMS/GEM/EGL was Hoovered into the Linux source tree, or the broader implementationisms enforced by decades of convergence on glibc.

>>18816 
I mean that Arcan has made conscious efforts from the start to avoid absorbing gratuitous Linuxisms, including implementations for OpenBSD, FreeBSD, Plan 9, etc.
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>>17062
Gentoo because it had always been about your personal choice. Portage is very flexible. If you don't want to build software yourself, you can use binary packages nowadays. The next best thing is either Void Linux or Alpine Linux. Alpine Linux is very good but since it uses musl, you may need to use Flatpak, distrobox or gcompat.
>https://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/Software_management#Running_glibc_programs
>>18820
I thought the eudev project basically stopped because it was too much work for the dev to keep track of all the bullshit changes they were making? People seem to be using elogind now and running systemd udev.

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I created the Galatea Multipurpose Companion Maid Robot. It is designed to be an IRL robo-maid girl. Local AI means you can talk with her, and she has actual practical uses. She's also very customizable, you can choose the color, dress, head, hair, and even AI.
I intentionally designed her to be easy to build with the instructions.
I intend this to be the Model T of humanoid robots and robotic companions, while it is not the most complex, it is easy to mass produce and cheap.
https://greertech.neocities.org/Galatea%20v3.0

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>>18162
That's actually a really good idea. It's similar to my Galatea, but more food-based. If you put the batteries near the "feet", the battery weight can be an advantage with a counterweight. I think you should pursue it!
>>18169
It's not waiting, it's work, a lot of hard work. 
Also going schizoid can be a great time and you can hallucinate waifus at a cost to your sanity. Been there done that. miss it a bit to be honest, used to just listen and play with the music in my head, messes with getting things done and interacting in society though.
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>>17765 (OP) 
Galatea has been updated to v3.0.9. She now has a new body with more aesthetic ratios, and new accessories.
>>18170
That robot is not going to build herself, anon!
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>>18926
Exactly. It's a new frontier.
Visit /robowaifu/

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I'd previously assumed that Electron-esque garbage like Snap and Flatpak were just a fad confined to lazy commercial software, but along with a slow general decline in community packager activity, I've recently noticed more and more dev projects like GIMP and Handbrake abandoning official Linux builds for distro-native package formats. Reading a bit about it, the underlying tools and standards for packaging appear to be in general decay, and I was surprised to see some distros like Ubuntu and Fedora making noises about completely abandoning their package managers at some (usually vague) point in the future!

Throughout the span of modern Linux distros, before the need to resort to manually installing every single version of a piece of software, as an alternative to waiting for the distro's repo to update from (sometimes painfully outdated) stable versions, there were pretty much always builds of whatever available from either the developers themselves or some helpful person's PPA. Without that, Linux will become much less convenient to use at best, far more bloated and broken at worst.

It has been suggested by some, such as this article:
https://ludocode.com/blog/flatpak-is-not-the-future
that the main problem which allowed such moronic software to gain momentum (aside from security flimflam exaggerating its sandbox capabilities) was Linux's not
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Millions must write PKGBUILDs to wrangle the devslop into a usable state.
>>17978
Yes. Here you go: https://youtu.be/GY0NAAVp5mE
The Gentoo devmanual and Gentoo wiki also provide all the information you need. You should start by watching the linked video and then just start reading ebuilds (start with a simple package like Bash).
>https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Basic_guide_to_write_Gentoo_Ebuilds

>>16290
>A few years ago Theo de Raadt made a statement that Windows now has better security than Linux
I haven't heard anything like that...
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>>4739 (OP) 
I miss when Ubuntu was all about Unity before GNOME, and before Snap.
Looks like the AUR is under attack via a malicicous actor via npm and updating orphaned packages with a specially crafted rootkit/keylogger
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Made a quick and dirty dark theme of the classic Leopard OSX. If anyone is interested in remaking this better let me know I can make all the resources in svg for a second go.

https://www.xfce-look.org/p/2362498

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What will happen if section 230 is nuked?
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 SystemD 261-rc1 Released With OS Installer, IMDS Subsystem & New storagectl 
>There is also now systemd-sysinstall that provides a simple, modern textual installer for an OS.
>storagectl is a new command-line tool and Varlink interface for exposing storage resources in a unified manner for use as managed user storage.
>A new subsystem with systemd 261 is the Instance Metadata Service "IMDS". This includes the new systemd-imdsd that makes IMDS services accessible to local programs. There is also a hardware database for recognizing established public clouds via SMBIOS information
src: https://www.phoronix.com/news/systemd-261-rc1


You too will be soon assimilated into the SystemDick Borg!
 Deassimilation is available for free at https://www.gentoo.org 
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>niggerctl
https://archive.ph/ZobUQ
FCC wants to strip anonymity from phone accounts even more.
Remember goy, it's always private businesses that do this, it's never in reaction to government regulation and government is always the solution to enshittification.
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>>18931
>Australia does this! Might be worth looking into how it's implemented and the negative impacts there, it has been the case there for a while, since well before I moved there (2019).
Every time I see someone talking about crazy totalitarian crap in some weird country, expecting a stereotypical target like Saudi Arabia or China, it's always the antipodes.

What is wrong with them?
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>>18869
A lot of the people behind this modern shitware should really be working on a non-Unix OS at this point. It's obvious they hold the Unix philosophy and hackers in contempt, and they'd be happier elsewhere. Instead, they try to force a fun hacker OS to become something else. They don't care to integrate their foreign influences into how Unix works and just end up creating an incoherent mess.
This shit is why we need rump kernels. There needs to be some kind of actual variety in operating system design beyond endless Unix clones so we can send these faggots elsewhere.

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Thread dedicated to Questions That Don't Deserve Their Own Thread
(but are worth asking)

Before asking a question here, please search the web first or put in effort towards answering your own question. If you put in effort but you still can't find the solution, feel free to ask here.

If you are looking around for useful applications/programs, see >>531
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>>18796
I think a lot of IT is actually what you describe. I love it and hate it. There's always something to figure out.
>>2 (OP) 
I want to use a virtual machine with a simple, lightweight, and straightforward operating system. I mainly want it for taking notes. I would also like to store images in it and, if possible, customize or decorate it creatively with images or videos, although this last part is not necessary. I have heard about Xubuntu.
What recommend me?
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>>18927
You can try anything you like in a virtual machine.

ReactOS sounds fun...
https://distrowatch.com/search-mobile.php?ostype=All&category=All&origin=All&basedon=All&notbasedon=None&desktop=All&architecture=All&package=All&rolling=All&isosize=All&netinstall=All&language=All&defaultinit=Not+systemd&status=Active#simpleresults
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>>18927
Sky's the limit, man.
Do you mean simple as in having an easy graphical interface, or simple as in technically simple? You have a lot of options beyond the usual Linux distros and BSDs either way. Haiku (a BeOS clone), AROS (open source Amiga OS, has distributions which come with a buttload of games and demoscene programs), HelenOS (some microkernel OS), SerenityOS (hobbyist Unix clone by the guy who's now making the Ladybird browser), and so on and so on. If you're talking technically simple OSes, there's some overlap with these, but your options expand even further. You have everything from 9front (Plan 9 continuation) to TempleOS (Terry Davis' masterpiece), OsakaOS (a shitpost OS), and random Lisp OSes that may or may not go anywhere.

Really, just find something that you think looks fun and mess around with it. If you don't end up liking it, you don't lose anything, and you can always try something else.

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If you decided to remake the internet from scratch, how would you avoid the centralization of authority, SEO and everything bad that plagues the modern internet?
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The fact (real)  political discussion on the internet is the most poisoned well in the history of mankind should tell you something.
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>>18917
The most valid concern I've seen is that politics is a very big stick that isn't always appropriate for the scale of your problem. The other thing is that if you aren't careful, you can give your party crazy powers to deal with one problem which then get used against you when you're kicked out.
There's obviously a place for it, but it's something you gotta be careful about. Otherwise you get crap like the current wave of tech-illiterate boomers destroying the web because they have no idea what "just make everything check your ID, how hard can it be?" implies.
I mean in general. A good example of what I'm talking about is brown people insisting to use usraeli social media like whatsapp and X while bombs are turning them into meatfetti. How stupid can people be? They had their actual dicks blown off by their sail foams a year ago and they keep using them. I saw some brown woman in lebanon say "how can kids learn without power for their phones?" INSANE. What is a pencil and paper bitch?

It's some kind of animal passivity. Animals don't plan ahead in a fight and neither do 99% of people on the internet. Nobody forces you to sit and do nothing while LLMs turn the entire web into the Truman Show. But asking people to use their own hands and brains to make their own handmade computer programs to talk to other poeple is like asking a monkey to fly to mars. Even though LLMs put this ability into everyone's hands because you can just say "HOW DO I TCP YOU FAGGOT ROBOT" and it will explain in perfect detail without having a tism rage like the faggots on stack overflow.
First off, internet /= web.

But also, the web has no practical purpose to begin with, an entire operating system specification built from several worst in class standards, possibly the worst programming language ever made (and oh boy does this title have competition), and 2 implementations that compete for worst piece of software ever written, all just to send and receive text and files in the most devious rube goldberg machine ever devised is a monumentally retarded idea from the start. 

And it's so blatantly obvious from a glance that anyone who didn't already know this before I made this post either lacks the beginner level knowledge in network protocols, programming language design, serialization formats, etc, or is not right in the head, which scares me a lot, because it means most programmers are clinically retarded if they did not form an alliance and vow to never write nor allow anyone else to write any javascript, json, HTML, etc upon first seeing those out of sheer disgust.
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>>18923
>the web has no practical purpose to begin with
To be fair, back in the early 90s it must have seemed like a great idea to give the writer of the document the power to specify the colour of the background and the ability to embed some pictures into the text. But as those horrible late 90s webpages showed, it only really gave people the power to waste bandwidth with unnecessary clutter. And by the 2000s it became obvious that you could also use it to track people and to build ever more centralized systems.

And in hindsight, the very idea that someone else should decide for you the exact appearance of a hypertext document is flawed. How could some random faggot know better my preferred colour scheme and font than I do? Not to mention that I like it when I can both read text and stare at fat 2D tits at the same time, which is not a feature supported by the average website. At least by now many websites have both a light and a dark colour scheme, but it's not standard, and many of those themes are quite horrible. Not to mention that websites have to support a practically infinite variety of resolution and aspect ratios, so the more elaborate and specific a website's design the less likely that it'll work as intended.

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