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>>5435 (OP) 
>I'll be making bulk replies here for the Q&A, so fire away with anything you've got.

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I'm an absolute retard and probably not qualified to provide any worthwhile advise on the site. The only suggestion I have is what I read in a "features you would add to IBs" from like two years ago:

Can we have add an RSS feed to the site?

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Activity can only be fixed by making a website that people want to go to. There's many reasons to want to go to a website, but zzzchan currently only has one: it's easy to access.
Does the website have fun/interesting/unique features? No it's the same thing we've had for 12 years.
Is the community fun? No it's burned out from years of everyone constantly being on the edge taking it out on others and feeling superior about it.
Is the administration doing fun or new things with the website? No it's static.
Can users do fun or new things with the website? No it's locked down and the major boards have obnoxious mods who ruin your fun or obnoxious users who ruin your fun or both, you're only allowed to post safe-fun things that won't upset anyone.
Is it welcoming to new users? No people will get upset if you post anything that originated in the current internet outside of this imageboard unless you can perfectly cherrypick the correct things.
Does it have an active or growing community? No it's dying.
Are people being creative and making things? No unless you count the 1 post per week /v/ magazine.

This is a millennial retirement home, you can't fix it because the people in it don't want the fix and the admin(s) don't have the energy to do much. I've seen imageboards that easily gain activity and they don't look anything like zzzchan, they look like a bunch of young people freely having fun just like old 4chan and nobody has even heard of the concept of "thread quality" and nobody gets butthurt by new memes. The only reason people talk about fixing this website is that it's the only website they have in the same category, but depending on what kind of person you are, there either isn't a solution, or the solution is for someone with more energy to make an alternative where they have more agency to make it a fun place to be.

>>5441
>zzzchan currently only has one
Actually it has another depending on what you compare to: freedom. However when a much bigger website has much more freedom (4chan), that seems like a moot point.

I would suggest introspection regarding this:
>I already require all mods to be in contact with me over matrix. This is done because we need some form of coordination and matrix has proven to be more reliable than other privacy focused apps.
If Matrix is superior, why even run an imageboard? Perhaps you should fix whatever makes the website incapable of serving the purpose you need Matrix for.

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Being small and mostly lacking slop was always what I've found attractive about this site. 
I'm always puzzled about this complaining about low user numbers. Low activity has been a filter from the shit that pollutes most corners of the internet today. 
Have any of you people seen what the average 4cucker post is like?

I only really lurk here so I may not be as qualified as some to speak about the state of this site but a thread like this makes me feel like maybe there's a need for a little positive feedback as well. There are plenty of problems with this site, it's moderation, and IBs in general these days, which I’m sure will be covered by others plenty but I do feel like there is also a relatively steady population of regular posters here that strive hard to make interesting posts while adhering to the spirit of the rules at least, if not the letter.
This site seems to have stayed relatively true to it's stated purpose and not died which is apparently a difficult thing to do for image boards so I think some kudos is in order for everyone involved. Posters and staff included.
Also you're all gay, Joyeuse is a fag and I hope you all die.

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!!! TRIGGER WARNING NEW AND UNUSUAL FEATURE NOT SEEN IN 4CHAN !!! This may make you scared and uncomfortable, do not look if you are of faint heart.

>I can make proper site-wide announcements/a ZZZ calendar for things like gamenights, move nights/streams etc.
Upgrade the global announcement to be more like a news feed, then put whatever is happening around a 2 week span on it, ideally it would be a list of threads and mods can stick threads to it from any board. You would have to webdev the website though.

I once used a forum that organized a weekly comic strip. Writefags wrote scripts, drawfags drew them, and then one was published on the front page every week. Personally I find that having a purpose like this is hugely motivating, I don't care about making comics for myself but I might actually get back into drawfagging if that kind of thing existed. It seems very difficult to organize in zzzchan though because everything about it is just going to sink into the depths of /b/.

>>5435 (OP) 
>still not removing jewuser
Everything you do is pointless because me and many many anons are boycotting the site because of him, and we will not post as actively until you remove him. Throughout the months of his moderation, he only made the site worse and driven off users, nobody you ask will praise him, nobody wants him, he provides nothing of value. There’s no point in an alternative for 4chan where your posts get deleted for vaguely being “pedo” or moved to a general for being subjectively low quality according to his whims.
I knew beforehand that you will never remove him because it’s obvious that he’s personally close to you, so take this post as me just shitting in him, because I hate his guts.

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>>5438
its so trivial even a retard can do it
perl -e '$url = shift;
die "RETARD" unless $url;
$_ = qx( curl -# "$url" );
die "RETARD" unless m;<title>/(.+?)/ - Catalog</title>;; 
$board = $1;
($desc) = m/<meta name="description".*?content="(.*?)">/;
open FP, ">", "zzz|$board.rss";
print FP 
qq{<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8" ?>
<rss version="2.0">
<channel>
<title>/$board/ - $desc</title>
};
@post = m/(catalog-tile.*?<\/pre)/sg;
for (@post )
{
	($id,$name,$subject,$filter,$date,$replies,$link) =  m/data-post-id="(.*?)".*?data-name="(.*?)".*?data-subject=(.*?)data-filter="(.*?)".*?data-date="(.*?)".*?data-replies="(.*?)".*?href="(.*?)"/s;
	print FP qq{
	<item>
		<title>#$id R:$replies $subject $name $date</title>
		<pubDate>$date</pubDate>
		<link>http://zzzchan.xyz/$link</link>
		<description>$filter</description>
	</item>
	};
}
print FP q{</channel></rss>};
close FP;
' [catalog url]it makes a local rss file from the catalog, just put the script in your rss reader

>>5447
Admin just posted that it's because only 1 percent of the userbase wants to mod and he actually put time into it and most would not as they are not getting paid, not even in hotpockets. What evidence do you have that he is close to someone? Sturgeon himself used to chimp out at pedo comments you realize, he just didn't have time to do it often enough to asspain you  personally. He does not even prune all such posts because nobody ever made it clear what was too much. If he wasn't overzealous he'd not care enough to put in the hours. It's a catch 22. 
>>5444
The real Infinity had like 10x the pph at it's peak. There'd be no mod problem if there were more users and also you'd not sit there thinking "I can't believe there's no one to talk to at 3am" so you'd not feel that you're surrounded by normalfags as it is likely that if they're all gone late at night especially on Fridays and Saturdays that they are absolute  normalfags. 
>>5443
Matrix pings you to get your attention and mods on imageboards stay in contact and keep things timely. 

I have a Matrix but I also sleep 12 hours a day and watch tv shows for 5 and I don't stay on the site for a full 7 hours per day usually. My shifts of work more around so I'd not be able to collaberate. Maybe after I get fired...
>>5442
Halfcuck range bans for profit it, does not count, so it is a moot point indeed. There are like 5 people at least that make OC, songs, gay images, that comic, very bad art,  and better art, though I'm not about to link five posts to prove it.  
>>5441
You can't have maximum 'fun' levels of agency when you're purity spiraling to avoid letting soyjack (tier) posters, redditor-bots, and the criminally insane from settling into a website.

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Don't have much to say other than thanks for keeping the site up fishman, and for you to try getting some joy out of it and your plans.

>>5435 (OP) 
>We need volunteers
How much do you pay?

>>5452
If the currency isn't hotpockets irl, I'll pass. The first imageboard to be ballsy enough to do that, has my respect.

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>>5453
>>5452
What if a coupon for free hotpockets were to be used? If the admin starts working for them he could get coupons from them and just copy the bardcode. Not all of them expire fast either so there should be time to use them. Many such barcodes are just copies of  the same exact barcode. There could be a hotpocket app (or just use a cell app that matrix works with) that we all  could use to get the iamges and the more hours we put in the more barcodes you get for free  earned hotpockets. This could work. In my HS we used to get Mcdonald bucks. It worked for us. We did our homework. I have a pefectly normal HS degree (they graded on a curve thoug). It's just an image to scan though so you'd have to print them yourself unless you give up your address so they can be mailed. The cashiere will want to keep them so you don't reuse them before they expire, that and they check the .expiration date as sometimes coupons work after expiring, though not often. Keeping that in mind the faster they expire the more motivated the moderator becomes. That could be a problem if they last too long. That and I suppose the admin could be jailed for hotpocket fraud. 

I'm jus' sayin'.

>>5435 (OP) 
One of the reasons thhis website is dead, is the lack of dedicated porn boards like moe. Something the puritans here refuse to understand is that a less restrictive sexual board culture allows for more activity, take moe for example, they host porn boards ranging from /cake/ to /interracial/, from /shota/ to /cuteboys/. If this website wants to survive it must embrace diversity.

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>>5455

>>5436
<3

>>5441
The purity spiraling has been an issue since before 8kun, but during the episode with 4ch going down last year we saw almost 200 anons stop by nearly without issue. The worst I saw was lower effort threads, but for the most part they integrated fine. 

>>5443
>If Matrix is superior, why even run an imageboard?
The format. Having thread-structured discussions is basically impossible, but it allows for instant real-time communication which is helpful for mods. Given that jschan already has websockets, some sort of staff communication feature would be a useful alternative. I should learn node already so I can contribute more than some css tweaks.

>>5444
We had 5-6x as many anons with fatchan through to early ZZZ and it was far livelier, fun and had a wider array of discussions going on at any one time. There are benefits to having more anons around and we can enjoy them while at a fraction of 4ch's size.

>>5446
That would be a neat feature but as I don't have experience with node.js I'm not the guy to implement it, yet. I'll need to explore options here.

>>5452
I got these cheeseburgers man

>>5439
>That's just a disaster waiting to happen.
It would not have the ability to do anything but report until I could be confident in it. It would be trained to go after only the most obvious/common crap we have to deal with.

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>>5455
>Come join our cool new Imageboard #920923145325, we have lots of porn!

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>>5454
I'm listening.

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>>5457
I don't have any advice but a meta one which I think is rather vital: be extremely wary and critical of any advice, criticism and praise that you get in this thread, because it doesn't come from your target audience / majority userbase.
As you've noted yourself the site used to have x10 the activity and users, and 8chan used to have x20 that many before that, so anyone that is still here is people who stuck around in spite of everything >>5439 >>5442 >>5444 >>5445 >>5449 >>5450 or solely to troll and finish the job >>5441 >>5455 >>5456. You can't really listen to any of these people, because that's trying to appeal to the 1%, and it doesn't take a genius to know that's not a good marketing venture. I get that the initiative of this thread stems largely from good faith but laziness and unawareness seem to play a significant part as well.

No, you can't just "hey guys tell me what do to get 9001 users XD: the thread" nor "hey guise how I fix zchans :DDDD" because the answers will be 2. A: "fix what? site is perfect for me." B: "you can't fix it, site is shit and unfixable in 100000 years, give up"
You can, at best, get some vague ideas and lightly probe, but at the end of the day, either you take a risk and make some serious decisions or you keep stagnating, and if that means losing the 30-40 people that browse this place but gaining a couple hundred that integrate just fine, then it's a good gambit. Again, need I remind you yourself have acknowledged
>during the episode with 4ch going down last year we saw almost 200 anons stop by nearly without issue. The worst I saw was lower effort threads, but for the most part they integrated fine.
I don't think anyone will disagree when I say that for the most part, the few who stuck around are terminally online obsessive schizophrenics. And I feel rather confident when I say you should not cater to them, which is all good because you don't have to.

Pic unrelated + super ez captcha.

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>>5461
Trolling ≠ being unimaginative while getting more flustered than the people you're trying to troll.

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>>5435 (OP) 
> poast/wider fedi

>>5435 (OP) 
It's good to finally see someone on the webring stepping up and saying that maybe enough hasn't been done to make it, or at least an IB on it, a successful project compared to other websites, for instance Markchan and the Sharty, the Fediverse, Discord, and Xitter. 

I don't really have any suggestions for visibility except, I dunno, infiltration of other sites through OC? For instance, 4um recently had MSPFAs based out of its Homestuck thread. They didn't end well, but a webring/8chan/ZZZ MSPFA could, in theory, garner attention, though it would be from the MSPFA/MSPA crowd, but you would need an artist and/or writer for that, though they'd just need to copy Hussie's style. Another one would be somehow making the zine also behave as a Steam curator.

Another improvement could be a tracker for ongoing and regular events, as well as their schedules (eg /vhs/'s movies for the week and current roster of TV shows).

Maybe you could group boards relationally by topic in the browser.

A webring/8chan/zzzwiki could be nice. Integration with boorus might also be good. Maybe something that lets you search boorus when uploading images.

AMAs are an obvious choice.

It's kind of difficult to get a big bang event that will urge people to join an imageboard. The Sharty has been able to keep up numbers because it's tied to Soyjak and variants, which have been adopted by culture as a whole.

Thanks for keeping this site up.

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>being unimaginative while getting more flustered than the people you're trying to troll
<actually I'm an unstoppable capeshit supervillain and here are five consecutive posts explaining why

>>5435 (OP) 
>Links to posts you have made (older the better). You will be asked to post a random string from the same IP to confirm, don't use a tor exit node.
I could help moderate the site, but this isn't possible for dynamic IP addresses.

>>5457
>during the episode with 4ch going down last year we saw almost 200 anons stop by nearly without issue
>>5469
>It's kind of difficult to get a big bang event that will urge people to join an imageboard

I don't like when people try to rewrite history. During the previous big 4chan outage a lot of people in here got typically hostile and passive aggressive towards new users, and when 4chan got back people on multiple 4chan boards noted that they didn't stick around here because people in here had their heads up their own asses. I recall it being a completely fucking botched chance of enticing anyone to want to stay.

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>>5435 (OP) 
I'm retard but as one of those le ebin oldfags who stayed out of spite I suppose I'll weight in.

>site maintenance
Nothing to say here, ZZZ is mostly fine as is with by far the best Tor support of any webring site. Only issue is that the Captcha sometimes doesn't show but I dunno if that's an issue with my machine, JSchan or a downstream infrastructure problem.

>Moderation

If there's anything that should be avoided it's overt political collusion between the ZZZ admins and particular board owners/moderators/cliques of moderators at the expense of one part of the community in favor of another.
It's my main issue with 8moe and Mork as a whole and the reason why I still hang out here in spite of sleepy's anemic userbase.
If you want to grow the userbase, please don't do ethno-political-cultural faggotry along the lines of "we are the last bastion of freeze peach on the Internet and it is our biblical duty to accept any and all oppressed communites from the vile clutches of the uhhhh idk democrats whatever now say hello to /hebe/ and /shartresearch/ I will ban you if you express your dislike of this in the gamergate thread you're only allowed to talk about this in the meta thread teehee~".
Mind that this doesn't mean zoomers, 40 year old Fatal Fury veterans and such can't have their own boards here provided they don't shit up the site or violate the global rule.
The emergence of local IRC backrooms cannot be avoided but faggotry of that degree really shouldn't have a place in the admin.

As for your proposal of a janny LLM, it could work in theory but in my opinion shouldn't ever go beyond functioning as a simple assistant for spam checks and maybe ordering reported posts by likelihood of global rule violation, under no circumstance should the LLM be capable of performing moderator actions.
Also unless you're running the LLM on your own hardware routing Anon's abhorrent posts through the likes of Anthropic/OpenAI/Jewgle/China numba wan could expose you to difficulties down the line given the political alignment training of proprietary frontier models and the content review teams at these companies.
On another note a site policy regarding AI usage should be instituted at some point as it's relatively trivial for the average not-completely-tech-illiterate retard to set up a bot that can interact with a regular imageboard through Browser MCP tools.

>Community

Nothing wrong with (You) posting on the site's boards, but alway rember to use a different browser or isolated tab to minimize the chance of Marking incidents when the capcode slips through which is embarrassing for everyone involved.
Aside from that I'd like there to be no hidden boards on the site now and in the future, they've been nothing but liabilities.

>Events

This is arguably where Sleepy could shine, it already has a reputation for Gamenights across the webring so perhaps having a section on the frontpage listing upcoming or active events would be a nice thing.
An /event/ board to mirror event postings from other boards and/or help organize larger cross-site events might help, especially if activity on it isn't restricted to the annual Christmas event.
Hotwiring Cytube into jschan for on-site livestreaming would be great but I don't know how much autism this would require.

>Advertising

It should be genuine to what Sleepy is and not target an overly specific demographic, dunno what else.

>>5435 (OP) 
Why can't all webring sites be merged into one grand IB, instead of splitting the already shrinking userbase, I never got the decentralization schtick.

>>5435 (OP) 
I'm willing to do minimal janny work like removing CP or that faggot that keeps posting OPs with the twinktuber (or whatever it is supposed to represent), though I don't intend to get more involved than that.

>>5444
I concur with this. I used to hang out on larger sites and they all went to shit due to an influx of tourists who don't bother integrating. Worse, many of them tend to inject culture war bullshit in far too many topics.
There is nothing wrong with more users per se, but I'd be careful where to market this site and a flood of new users should be avoided.

>>5476
>I'm willing to do minimal janny work like removing
>that faggot that keeps posting OPs with the twinktuber (or whatever it is supposed to represent)
Welcome back joyeuse.

>>>/v/305607

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>>5435 (OP) 
Thanks for keeping the lights on, negro. 

Random thoughts in no particular order.
As far as I know we are the only ones I see with gamenights. 
Schizos ruin everything.
I also wish we had more users, there comes a time when the lack of people to talk to limits the conversation you can have. 
We lost a lot of anons in the shuffle and never really got them back. When 4 went down an actual thread should have been made at the start instead of a gay thread we had. I guess what I'm trying to say is we are small enough where we avoid the shittiest users already because this will be "to slow" for them. 
Streaming maybe or something I dunno. 

>how to advertise
> -Set up on poast/wider fedi to start, and regularly link to threads for gamenights/movie streams as they happen.
I liek it. It's the age old question, what do the people want? A community is one I can think of. 


Uhh uhh uhhhhhhh. I dunno. I'll keep posting in the meantime.

>>5479
>what do the people want
More users and activity, but without inviting any filthy outsiders.
More fun, but without banning people who are anti-fun, without allowing fun threads outside of /b/, without allowing anything that's new and makes me uncomfortable to be posted, and without changing anything in general. People should just have more fun, maybe we can force them.

>>5475
The idea behind the webring was that the US government fucking hates imageboards and they're going to waste time and money trying to hunt them down forever. So it would be better in the long run to have a bunch of imageboards that anons can immediately hop from one to another when each gets sunk like a neverending game of Frogger.
It's an idea that made (a little) more sense at the time as a response to 8chan's death and the resulting paranoia around feds.

>>5441
>This is a millennial retirement home, you can't fix it because the people in it don't want the fix and the admin(s) don't have the energy to do much. I've seen imageboards that easily gain activity and they don't look anything like zzzchan, they look like a bunch of young people freely having fun just like old 4chan and nobody has even heard of the concept of "thread quality" and nobody gets butthurt by new memes.

This anon is right on the money. Image boards thrive on users being able to post random errant thoughts. Drafting an entire paragraph with an appropriate well thought out Title to narrowly discuss something when a one sentence op would have been sufficient is the job of traditional forums.

>>5482
I hate it here, this place sucks, I wish I could stop coming back here, but nostalgia is a deadly disease.

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literally the only reason I still use zzzchan is because I still watch BadMovieNight and make use of /bmn/ -- I moved onto poast after the 8ch diaspora fizzled out other than mark's shithole.  the only notable things happening in the imageboard space recently has been the sharty, which is just another 4chan exodus and nothing to do with anything from 8ch.  the afterglow of GamerGate is near gone now, and a stygian silence lurks in wait

>>5441
type shit, on god, fr fr this broski be bussin type shit, type shit

>>5479
>schizos

>>5460
You're right that there's a survivorship bias, and yes I'll be taking advice with appropriate discernment. 

And while we certainly have bitter elements, most of you are all right.

>>5471
>I could help moderate the site, but this isn't possible for dynamic IP addresses.
Is your IP changing constantly? Dynamic usually means you are issued a new ip if you reboot your router. 

>>5473
I don't browse 4ch, so if that's the impression we left that's going to make things more difficult.

>>5474
>If there's anything that should be avoided it's overt political collusion between the ZZZ admins and particular board owners/moderators/cliques of moderators at the expense of one part of the community in favor of another.
This has ALWAYS been avoided. One of the primary reasons the /digi/ mods eventually left is that I wouldn't budge on allowing them to mess with other boards directly.

>An /event/ board to mirror event postings from other boards and/or help organize larger cross-site events might help, especially if activity on it isn't restricted to the annual Christmas event.
This could be a great interim solution while I look at other calendar options. 

>It should be genuine to what Sleepy is and not target an overly specific demographic, dunno what else.
The biggest draw we have now is events, so a "come have fun with us" angle is what I'll be starting with. Get them in the door for a gamenight/stream and try to entice them to stay after. 

>>5476
Anyone who only wants to act as a watchdog for illegal shit and not lift a finger otherwise is welcome. Just email me.

>>5478
>Honestly, I'd help, but I'm hardcore tor, uninterested in Matrix / logins and uninterested in gayfaggot rulings / committee (I'd only really sweep ads or 'P honestly) 
I'm willing to work with you on this, but you do need a zzz account to janny.

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I don't have the time or the keyboard to respond to the entire thread but there are a few points my phoneposting faggot ass wants to make before the thread gets derailed too badly.

Sturgeon continues to be the sanest site owner in imageboard history. Please keep it up.
I am sick to fucking death of doomers in every meta thread. Any decline in the webring/diaspora is mostly your fault at this point.
I strenuously disagree with the idea that /b/ has to be a moderation-free zone. Two of the original rules of the internet were "/b/ has no rules" and "this also goes for the moderation". My experience from using 8chan, endchan, julay and tangentially smug's cafe thread is boards with no moderation beyond deleting spam and CP rapidly become unusuable shitholes because they attract the most deranged posters imaginable. That's because they always get banned on sight for being incapable of making anything other than the most abhorrent posts... except when there's nobody willing or able to ban them. This doesn't mean enforcing "quality discussion" like KC or tolerating mods that ban just because they don't like the topic, but on the modern internet I feel like you have to have at least a minimal level of quality control or you end up drowning in AIDS rather than piss.
To solve the new blood problem anons just need to talk to people. Srsly. Learn to trust other human beings enough to share this crazy wonderful shitshow with them. For the longest time I've been thinking of printing stickers with zzz related stuff on them and leaving them around town too. Increasingly I get the feeling zoomers are frustrated with the weeping sore that is social media but don't know where else to go. Give them a place to go, haze them properly so the ones that internalized cancer will leave, and you'll get your new blood.

>>5488
>I strenuously disagree with the idea that /b/ has to be a moderation-free zone. Two of the original rules of the internet were "/b/ has no rules" and "this also goes for the moderation". My experience from using 8chan, endchan, julay and tangentially smug's cafe thread is boards with no moderation beyond deleting spam and CP rapidly become unusuable shitholes because they attract the most deranged posters imaginable. That's because they always get banned on sight for being incapable of making anything other than the most abhorrent posts... except when there's nobody willing or able to ban them. This doesn't mean enforcing "quality discussion" like KC or tolerating mods that ban just because they don't like the topic, but on the modern internet I feel like you have to have at least a minimal level of quality control or you end up drowning in AIDS rather than piss.
 
My thoughts exactly, /b/ is better off being somewhat trashy but usable and not a literal septic tank. 8ch /b/ was always nothing but garbage porn which just seemed like wasted potential.

This is the best way I can help. Wishing you good luck!

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>>5481
That was part of it but another big part (even if it wasn't said at the time) was the Infinity Never debacle (let alone the revelation that 8chan was just a vehicle for /qresearch/ in Jim's eyes) had proven that investing all your autism points in one set of admins hoping they won't turn on wasn't a great idea, and arguably it never was. Distributing the community between multiple sites in theory meant natural selection would come into play, admins could actually engage with their communities like Sturgeon is doing right now instead of trying to be ## God and in the event of a board or entire site having a meltdown anons already had a menu of where to go next and could coordinate there instead of going through the trauma of yet another exodus like the ones in 2014 and 2019. That was the theory, of course.

>>5489
That's great but it clashes with >>5487
>Anyone who only wants to act as a watchdog for illegal shit and not lift a finger otherwise
/b/ is still filled with threads from the same half dozen schizos making repetitive depression posts, repetitive posts whining about jews, brown people and/or women, etc. that make trying to use the overboard like sticking your head in a truck battery - it just fills you with agony and retardation. I see a similar pattern with any board that has some mention of politics or news in its title, though I expect some anons will recoil on hearing that.

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I only really have a couple of requests: 

1: I wish there was a cool default /b/ theme. The default /b/ theme is generic and I wish zzzchan would do more to differentiate itself. I do like the little mascots on some of the boards, though, including /b/. 

2: I wish this site would stop being so butthurt about non-heterosexual things that are spoilered. I don't even really post anything NSFW, but I find it insane that another anon who spoilered a futa post got it deleted. It's literally spoilered. How sensitive can you be? I even had to bitch about spoilered pictures of SFW men that I posted in a relevant thread being deleted and I'm glad we've progressed from that absurdity, so I'd just like it if we could use a little more sanity on that front. 

Anyway, I know I've been at odds with the moderation here, but it's not a bad site and I do want imageboards to succeed in general.

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>>5489
I wish to be paid 8 hotpockets a week, you in?

You won't

Thank you OP for caring about the website and for making this thread. I'm more or less happy with the way zzz is but I'll post some quick thoughts for now:
>matrix
I tried using it (again) a few weeks ago and it's impossible to send/receive DMs due to the dreaded "Unable to decrypt" error. However it works fine for public unencrypted chatting. Ideally JSchan would have its own simple private messaging system but I don't know how feasible that would be.
>moderation and volunteers
I'm considering volunteering to remove spam and CP at the very least, but due to my work schedule moderation will be infrequent. I feel that a lot of anons on zzz are working and/or have families so having a "dedicated" janny may prove difficult, on the other hand a large number of infrequent moderators may eventually get the job done. 
>LLM
Sure but don't give it any permissions to perform actions (bans, post deletions).
>advertising
Plenty of OC has been made on zzz, just share it. The zzzine for example was spread across the webring back when it was active, nothing is stopping anyone from spreading it outside of the webring too.

>>5491
>Distributing the community between multiple sites in theory meant natural selection would come into play
It didn't pan out in practice because far too few people are capable and willing to host an imageboard, I suspect in large part because when you go buy a server from any server provider, they'll immediately give you a huge form where they demand all your personal details and home address and phone number and shit. It didn't help that nobody ever made an easy-to-follow walkthrough for getting a server and setting up an imageboard to it. The odds of you having the knowhow to host an imageboard by yourself AND being a good admin are too low.

The webring also has a design flaw that I think nobody expected in the beginning: the websites are too separated and too different, the biggest is probably the lack of a cross-webring overboard. Using the webring is a very clumsy and inconsistent experience compared to having a unified interface to all boards, which leads to people having a favorite site and wanting all boards to be there.

Is "lurk moar" useful enough to work in long term? Because someone getting a surprise ban for doing something accidentally and the same someone who gets a ban due to crossing some declared rule would lead to different outcomes regarding their intent  to stick around. Make a sticky with board-specific things that would make you banned if posted. If posting is a minefield, who would want to cross it?

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>>5487
>One of the primary reasons the /digi/ mods eventually left is that I wouldn't budge on allowing them to mess with other boards directly.
At last, I am vindicated.

>>5446
I like these ideas. I have wanted to drawfag more as well but it's hard when everyone's a jaded 30 something who aren't impressed by the same silly doodles anymore.

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As someone who went into lurking mode 2-3 years ago, man time flies, it's great to see you still keeping this place running. I admit my main concern at the time was that there was very little optimism outside of the zzzine and /agdg/ and while that still seems present, it evidently did not spiral as much as I feared.

From what I've read so far I'd agree with most points, you get people by having fun, interesting events or posts. I think you should really get creative with ways to get a good overview of what happens on this site and maybe even the webring so people get to see threads they would have otherwise missed, again this can be totally simple "trending" kinda type stuff or even something that also works with some serendipity.
In terms of advertising, use OC or maybe just something cryptic, that way you get the curiosity of someone without really pre-defining what they expect. The old "if you don't like it, it's probably too cool for you" type stuff always works.

Being a bit more meta, really think about kitbashing features from other sites/mediums and see if it might be cool, running around the web anything is a scrolling conversation now with a constantly changing timeline while places that have curated information on topics becomes ever harder to find.

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As an outsider who has only been in the webring for a few months, all I'll say is that the people in this thread seem very insular. Whoever brought up survivorship bias first was right. Still, sturgeon seems like a nice guy to me and I hope things work out here.

>>5496
>It didn't pan out in practice because far too few people are capable and willing to host an imageboard, I suspect in large part because when you go buy a server from any server provider, they'll immediately give you a huge form where they demand all your personal details and home address and phone number and shit.
Use Incognet or BuyVM, pay with crypto.
>It didn't help that nobody ever made an easy-to-follow walkthrough for getting a server and setting up an imageboard to it.
People who need that shouldn't be running imageboards. If you don't have the technical competence to clone and build a git repo, you're not going to be competent enough to protect your users from hacks, loss of service and CP spam.
>The webring also has a design flaw that I think nobody expected in the beginning: the websites are too separated and too different, the biggest is probably the lack of a cross-webring overboard. Using the webring is a very clumsy and inconsistent experience compared to having a unified interface to all boards, which leads to people having a favorite site and wanting all boards to be there.
This is true, but also it seems that very few people are even willing to explore other webring sites unless they have issues with their current favorite one and are on the brink of leaving anyway. Even then I suspect most of them just check out silently.

>>5501
>pay with crypto
Now you need to give your details to a crypto exchange, photo ID depending on how you trade.
You can just put some bullshit instead of your real details when renting a server, but that's not obvious if you're not from a country where people routinely scam and bullshit other people.

>People who need that shouldn't be running imageboards
Most things in the world are not hard to do, but are hard to learn without guidance. Setting up a server is so uninteresting that it could unironically be automated, but the context surrounding it (Linux in general) is so complicated that you'd need a months long course to know what to do and how to do it.

>>5502
Just photo of the card with exchange site on the background most often, as per KYC guidelines.

>>5502
>Now you need to give your details to a crypto exchange, photo ID depending on how you trade
If you already own crypto it's generally not hard to find a way to swap into monero without KYC. Swap monero to monero if you're paranoid.
>the context surrounding it (Linux in general) is so complicated that you'd need a months long course to know what to do and how to do it.
Knowing linux is not really important for running a web server, understanding the source code you're running is critical important, to discover and fix issues, to add new features and to protect the privacy of your users. Having a basic understanding of the network stack helps too. Anyway, imageboards start stagnating from the top down. I'm invested in the tech, format and community of Homurachan and I'm constantly working to make things better for my users. If an admin checks out or isn't really interested in one of those, the whole project is doomed.

>>5502
>Setting up a server is so uninteresting that it could unironically be automated, but the context surrounding it (Linux in general) is so complicated that you'd need a months long course to know what to do and how to do it.
Admittedly bait and a shit meme, but
<he doesn't know

>>5504
If site admins have to fix the imageboard engine then you have a different problem.

>>5506
No, it means you have good admins. Hosting any kind of public facing server means dealing with issues and getting feature requests you didn't expect. I'm sure jschan has bugs or incomplete features that go beyond the current issue tracker.
https://gitgud.io/fatchan/jschan/-/boards

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>>5501
>As an outsider who has only been in the webring for a few months, all I'll say is that the people in this thread seem very insular.
That might have something to do with meguca being full of social media addicts and people mostly come here to get away from that crap.
>>5496
>It didn't help that nobody ever made an easy-to-follow walkthrough for getting a server and setting up an imageboard to it. 
The guy in charge of anon.cafe actually did though and nobody gave a crap. The main problem is really that running an imageboard is a big investment of time and energy, especially when you don't have mods. I remember endchan had a lot of promise at the beginning but the admins basically didn't exist; the site would keep going down from "someone" spamming CP reports and eventually performance just shat the bed so everyone left.

>>5507
I agree that it's important, but the reasons are different. If you want your website to be better, being able to modify the technology is very valuable. But if you want webring to be better/bigger, you can't expect every one of them to develop their own imageboard engine.

>>5508
>guy in charge of anon.cafe actually did
If I recall correctly, it was both too late and too complicated. Writing a good tutorial isn't as easy as it would seem.

>>5508
>That might have something to do with meguca being full of social media addicts
Lying about other sites is just proving my point.
>>5509
>if you want webring to be better/bigger, you can't expect every one of them to develop their own imageboard engine.
They don't need their own engine, but they do need to understand the code of the engine they use or have a tech guy on staff who does. It's frankly irresponsible to your users to host them on a black box because it's "good enough".

>>5511
>It's frankly irresponsible to your users to host them on a black box because it's "good enough".
That's kind of like saying that it's irresponsible for a non-programmer to run any business where any software is used.

>>5512
>saying that it's irresponsible for a non-programmer to run any business where any software is used.
If they don't have a tech team, yeah.

>>5511
>Lying about other sites
That's just my personal opinion, you can take or leave it. I've peeked in before and it's always felt like it's had this undercurrent of ADHD that other imageboards mostly lost but is still alive and well in places like twitter.
>It's frankly irresponsible to your users to host them on a black box because it's "good enough".
People do it all the goddamn time and it almost never bites them in the ass, especially if the demands on the engine are very small like with the webring.

>>5514
>it's always felt like it's had this undercurrent of ADHD that other imageboards mostly lost but is still alive and well in places like twitter
Liveposting is about 14 years old. I get why people don't like it, but you don't have to make up stuff about twitter to explain it away.
>People do it all the goddamn time and it almost never bites them in the ass
Endchan was hacked two months ago and the attack got access to raw poster IPs. 
https://endchan.org/operate/res/29851.html

>>5491
>repetitive posts whining about jews, brown people and/or women
In a way the psyop worked, genuine frustration, revolutionary thought and anti-establishment sentiment was managed, filtered and transformed into into low-iq spam. Which ironically turns truth seekers away from the truth which is displayed in front of them.
>>5492
>I wish this site would stop being so butthurt about non-heterosexual things that are spoilered. I don't even really post anything NSFW, but I find it insane that another anon who spoilered a futa post got it deleted. It's literally spoilered. How sensitive can you be? I even had to bitch about spoilered pictures of SFW men that I posted in a relevant thread being deleted and I'm glad we've progressed from that absurdity, so I'd just like it if we could use a little more sanity on that front.
Futa, niggerporn and even some form of fag porn used to be allowed here, but due to bad actors using them as spam, posts containing the aforementioned material have been relegated as shill material.
>Anyway, I know I've been at odds with the moderation here, but it's not a bad site and I do want imageboards to succeed in general.
I mean the average zzzigger is 35yrs old, you better accept that the age of Imageboards is over. We'll never get back to the glory days, as long as young blood is not injected. IBs are destined to slowly rot and decay into irrelevance.

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>>5515
>Liveposting is about 14 years old.
So it's younger than twitter. If you didn't talk like you treat complaints about board culture as a personal attack, maybe people would be more willing to get past that initial reaction. I remember livechan (which didn't have as-you-type) and it didn't have the same rush to engage as meguca forks do, or the same level of disdain from traditional imageboard fags. Make of that what you will.
>Endchan was hacked two months ago
Fucking wew. Doesn't exactly prove your point through they hadn't updated in more than five years, which is just negligent.

>>5517
>So it's younger than twitter. If you didn't talk like you treat complaints about board culture as a personal attack.
Don't make this personal because you think that every format that didn't ape 4chan is made for twitter users. I post on several webring boards because I know that liveposting isn't a great fit for many topics and board cultures, and I actively try to get detailed feedback from new and returning users about all aspects of the site, even liveposting. The point I was making about insularity is that other webring sites have very little visibility on individual sites, because it seems most webring site users just navigate to their favorite boards via bookmark instead of using the plugin. For example, two weeks ago I made some posts on smug/tg/ and they had no idea we were in the webring for over two months at that point. People don't seem to use any of the tools to find where the activity is across the webring or proactively look into what events are going on and where and when.

>Doesn't exactly prove your point through they hadn't updated in more than five years, which is just negligent.
This site is running a version of jschan that's about a year old and who knows when the hundreds of nested nodejs dependencies were last updated.

>>5435 (OP) 
>It has always been the case that if all ZZZ servers were to vanish overnight I could rebuild the site within 24 hours
I hope you have actually tested this and won't be finding out your ultimate backup system has a fatal flaw that could have easily been fixed if you had known about it before you actually needed to deploy the damn backups.
>We need volunteers, and we need to vet them better.
You could take a few ideas from Lambda+JS. Their moderation system is perfectly transparent so the admin literally just accepts everybody who applies because he knows they can't do any real damage.

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>>5511
>>5512
>>5514
>>5517
There's a difference between software that is (quasi-)certified to work properly / be secure and software that is made to fulfill a certain purpose but has never been thoroughly tested. Not unlike the difference between tools certified to have certain qualities and ones that may kill you if you hold it wrong.
Certified IB software is unrealistic of course, but using appropriate tools to secure the environment can go a long way.

>>5520
AI picture.

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>>5435 (OP) 
Try being as smart at handling zzzchan as Acid is at handling 8moe. The webring memes about the jew on /v/ but a retard glosses over their admin inventing new server tech just to protect anons on his site https://8chan.st/t/res/26320.html
He did this because of spam in one major thread. Just to make us happy. He also posts regularly and you can talk to him and the other admins outside of the meta board. You wish you were half as dedicated and it is not a shock that so many 4fugees stuck around 8moe and not here. At some point your stupid pride has to get out of the way doesn't it?

>>5491
>/b/ is still filled with threads from the same half dozen schizos making repetitive depression posts
I'm not claiming that /b/ has been managed well, if anything /b/ is going to warrant a purge if thats going to happen.

>>5492
>I wish there was a cool default /b/ theme
wee need zzz themes in general. I know eniough CSS these days so I'll add that to the todo list.

>>5495
>I'm considering volunteering to remove spam and CP at the very least, but due to my work schedule moderation will be infrequent
Please apply anyway. I should stress, there is no minimum time commitment for mods. I just ask for some idea when you can be around so I know about coverage gaps. If you can only cover for 30 minutes past midnight on tuesdays that's still helpful.

>LLM
>Sure but don't give it any permissions to perform actions (bans, post deletions).
Like I said, it would spend a long time only making reports before it got any permission to actually moderate

>>5499
>it's hard when everyone's a jaded 30 something who aren't impressed by the same silly doodles anymore.
I always enjoy the silly doodles. Don't let the curmudgeons ruin it for you.

>>5500
>Being a bit more meta, really think about kitbashing features from other sites/mediums and see if it might be cool, running around the web anything is a scrolling conversation now with a constantly changing timeline while places that have curated information on topics becomes ever harder to find.
I'm just gonna have to learn node. It's the only way to implement all these ideas.

>>5501
>As an outsider who has only been in the webring for a few months, all I'll say is that the people in this thread seem very insular
We've all been through a lot, so try not to hold being jaded against anyone. Hopefully bringing more fun to the site in general will lighten them up.

>>5502
>Most things in the world are not hard to do, but are hard to learn without guidance. Setting up a server is so uninteresting that it could unironically be automated, but the context surrounding it (Linux in general) is so complicated that you'd need a months long course to know what to do and how to do it.
I mean I DID start ZZZ with literally zero experience, and I've had help from a friend managing/updating thigs as we go (thanks spaghetti). The biggest hurdle for the way I'm doing things would probably be nginx, but anyone dedicated enough can learn what  I've done here.

>>5506
>>5507
We're lucky to have Tom as jschan's developer, he's done a fantastic job. God help us if I'd gone with lynxchan that shit's a nightmare to work with.

>>5518
>I hope you have actually tested this and won't be finding out your ultimate backup system has a fatal flaw that could have easily been fixed if you had known about it before you actually needed to deploy the damn backups.
It was tested from the start and it's what saved the site when debian bricked itself during an update. We've already survived worst case scenario.
>you could take a few ideas from Lambda+JS. Their moderation system is perfectly transparent 
What do you mean by that? we already have logs, does Lambda have additional features?

>>5435 (OP) 
Shit. I thought zzzchan was p. comf and doing alright :(. This thread basically tells me it's going to be like every other site I've had to nope out of. I'll miss this place when it's gone.
>Growth and Advertising
If it happens, then it happens, and if it doesn't, then it doesn't. Right? What's the rush for?
>I am opening applications for /b/
>(you will be put into contact with the respective BO to finish with them).
>Anyone who would like to apply should...
>Have prior experience
>Voluntarily agree to corporate meetings over Matrix and a work detail.
>Answer suck-up interview question such as "How would you make ZZZchan a better place?"
Do you WANT to only get power hungry Redditor-tier moderators? Because this is how you get power hungry assholes.
What's wrong with a few chill, half-assed, 3 posts moderated a month, volunteers?

>>5523
>try not to hold being jaded against anyone
I don't mind it.

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>>5491
>wanting to ban racism, misogyny, and depression posts from /b/ 
>>5516
>antisemitism, masculinity, and complaining about anything in general is a psyop

>>5523
>site features
It's retarded and probably not possible without Infinity Nexting yourself, but some form of Cytube integration or the ability to embed external livestreams in-thread would be cool.
Come to think of it why doesn't Sleepy have YT embeds enabled anyway?

>>5527
>Come to think of it why doesn't Sleepy have YT embeds enabled anyway?
Please don't, it's very annoying when I try to open what looks like a picture but instead loads a shitton of scripts for ((( Google )))'s video player. It doesn't work with the Redirector extension I have either.

>>5523
>we already have logs, does Lambda have additional features?
Lambda's logs go beyond any other IB engine I have seen. It doesn't display just the post ID, it displays the entire post. On top of that, posts aren't really deleted, only moved to the hidden /spam/ board. Files can be deleted and text can be redacted, but that's only reserved for extreme cases. This means that even if a janny starts acting too overzealous, users can still see exactly what was removed and posts can ultimately be restored by the admin or another janny. The limited damage a malicious janny could cause lets the admin get away with an extremely lax recruitment policy with no screening whatsoever.

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>>5529
Meguca has had the same features for a decade. The only difference is that mod actions on posts are irreversible. I support the general idea of turning post deletion into post hiding though.

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>>5531
Meguca is an imageboard engine.

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Your major, or better, your number one concern right now should be getting users. Everything and anything you decide to do or change should be done in order to achieve that one objective. You need users because as it stands the autism + free time combo is THE rule of your website. One (1) dedicated malicious autist with just enough time and dedication can ruin every single board with a tsunami of diarrhea and there's nothing you will be able to do because it's literally your time against theirs and you're at a disadvantage since shitting the place up is much easier than having to fine comb through post to delete stuff.
On 4chan or really any place that is moving quick enough, one such bad actor has no power whatsoever because of the old adage, "pissing in an ocean of piss". Even one should spend all day shitting up threads, it gets drowned out by hundreds of users and thousands of posts and makes up for an insignificant part of everything. As it stands, one guy can willy nilly slide a big chunk of any catalog if he feels like it, I would know, I've done it both here and sites with similar activity. One guy can spend months with some less than obvious shitposting and derail every single conversation, you should know, it already happens and you have multiple elements who do or already did this in the past, think all the "xyz schizo" and the "xyz spammer" and all the named niggers that get thrown around as bogeymen on a daily basis, they'd all become irrelevant, a minor nuisance at worst, overnight if you had say, 300-400 users. The retards going "we don't need more users" are absolutely shortsighted and don't understand that it's literally a vulnerability, on top of a generic, universal want.

>>5533
I don't mind getting more users, but I don't want the lowest common denominator and end up turning sleepy chan in another 4cuck, twitter copy.

>>5533
Why don't you just post on 4chan? What'd be this place's comparative advantage?

>>5526
They post anti-semitism, racism, misogyny, and depression here because it's banned everywhere else. My god, let the kiddos have ONE outlet in this world.
>>5516
>I mean the average zzzigger is 35yrs old, you better accept that the age of Imageboards is over. We'll never get back to the glory days, as long as young blood is not injected. IBs are destined to slowly rot and decay into irrelevance.
Just like irc chatrooms. It's a shame because IBs are pretty much the only place where  you can have anonymous speech.

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>>5523
>We're lucky to have Tom as jschan's developer, he's done a fantastic job.
This.

We should capture and lock up this tom guy and make him develop all the features that we need.

>>5539
This put him in a dungeon and feed him cum oatmeal only!

>>5540
Whoa whoa whoa, let's not give him TOO many luxuries!

>>5541

A way to improve organization of community projects that is low effort to implement for everyone involved would be to allow OP posts to be edited by using the password, or perhaps "append only" so you can only add text to the end. This would allow the organizer(s) to keep the OP up-to-date with relevant information as things develop, so interested users won't have to dig through 500 posts to get up to speed.

I'm pretty sure jschan already has post editing, but maybe that feature can't be controlled this precisely. It just needs a little tweak from a developer, and then the admin/BOs need to enable it.

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>>5544
+1 on this, it would be very useful

Just ran updates, we are up to date across the board. some of my text changes didn't carry for some reason, I'll be doing a pass across the site shortly.

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>>5546

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>>5533
Spammers are victims of their own inhibition and delusion. Only counterproductive individuals initiate counterproductive behavior so they don't have what it takes to actually impact anything in a meaningful way besides making claims that they can like you self admittedly just did or resort to circle jerking in their private discord servers to each other.

>>5547
The [x] button on my reply window looks different and hovering over something does not show a popup of who it is replying to anymore.

>>5523
>Please apply anyway
Sent

>>5447
>me and many anons (also me)
ftfy

>>5551
I know this is you jewuser, so if both you and sturgeon aren’t disingenuous, prove to us that the activity hasn’t changed since the start of your moderation. Pretty easy to do but I know you won’t.

>>5552
It's on you to prove your own claim, retard. Keep impotently spreading FUD until then.

>>5524
Having prior experience isn't a requirement, it just helps.

>>5529
We can display posts as part of a ban, it's just off by default and most of what's removed is complete garbage anyway. 

>>5533
Spot on, we are a small garden right now and it's much easier for weeds to choke out the space.

>>5534
I won't be shilling on reddit or anything. We won't be sacrificing the culture outright, just trying to be a bit friendlier. 

>>5539
You can also give him money, he has a crypto address on the repo: https://gitgud.io/fatchan/jschan/

>>5544
So some sort of joint post edit permission/method, got it.

>>5550
Received, replying.

>>5554
>We can display posts as part of a ban
Think they mean deleted posts would be viewable from the public log pages. The display post option only allows the moderation and the banned user view the post AFAIK. An obvious workaround is to just rely on deletions less and bans more.

>>5555
>Think they mean deleted posts would be viewable from the public log pages.
Nice numbers, I think this is a good idea. Posts that are sfw and not CP should be visible for the log viewers, it would help in restraining the powertripping from a certain moderator.

>>5435 (OP) 
Where were you while joyeuse was going berserk on /v/ calling anons pedos and deleting any mention of a game? That severely damaged my trust in the site and I haven't posted since, since the issue was never really resolved.

>>5497
Especially consider the possible goal of once leaving messages "user was banned for this post" instead of just sweeping everything without a trace, done from time to time in the past. That's meant as something easier for lurkers to figure out about the local moderation habits. Of course "global ban and delete by IP" as an answer for first offense is less workload.

>>5473
I think much of that was trolls trolling trolls. As most of the normal users wanted a home, as did most of the shitposters. It was also a ripe opportunity for Sharty to raid adjacent boards. They had an operation for that while the outage was taking place.

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>>5557
It's been years pedowheels, your endless slew of csam spam, schizophrenia, and spreading FUD is getting tiresome. Get a fucking life.

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Fucking proxy host had to hit me with their asynchronous v6 routing nonsense a second time. Shopping for a second host is now top priority, sorry for the downtime.

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Sincerely Fish,

The captcha is extremely gay and filters users. Not because those users are bots, but because it's different. Not different in a "niche, interesting way," either, there are roughly zero captcha otaku in existence.

People use a website because they have a reason to use a website. 4chan was not alone and it was not a monolith. 4chan made a culture of the banned and the soon-to-be banned taken from an already highly creative and cultivated website and mixed this with foreign features. In the early 2000s, banking on lolishota content and weeb ingroup to poach a userbase was not an unsafe bet. At least in theory, we live in a very different era in terms of scrutiny on websites and the content that people will tolerate on them. 

Why would I come to sleepychan?
It's slower, seedier, and they aren't sending their best.
There are some great site feature in terms of updating, stability, and secure anonymous posting. These only matter if you have users. If you get users again, the site won't be moderated well enough to keep them. 
What is sleepychan about?
It's not an anime website. 
It's not a furry website, or about weed, or weird internet games. 
It's not even a shitty nu/pol/ bunker like Watkins forced 8chan to become. The diaspora you've mentioned is fractious - weird internet people and weird politics people have a limited overlap and have always been incompatible at heart. You aren't catching either
Why would I come here? Today, following my weird internet person heart, I visited because I wanted to check on another webring site's board (/hgg/), only to find that it is dying, and then I wondered how sleepychan was doing
I have visited sleepychan in the past periodically for the legacy 8chan servers on byond games, /bmn/, clans and guilds, shitting around on Smogon even, community events and relays. Most of these are gone or diminished, so I have lapsed. A whim and some nostalgia got me here. You can't court whimsy, and nostalgia for anything past the explosive exodus and growth 8chan and subsequent implosion is a miniscule target demographic. 
Before you begin to advertise, I would find a product to sell. You barely have one - you aren't japmoot or moot or even the feds, probably. That's it. Who else is left? 20 uid/week to generate OC? Be more brazen.

Here are some observations:
8chan.moe has grown mainly by name recognition but it also successfully poached users in 2025 when 4chan was unstable. This completely reversed previously declining PPH. Sleepychan generally filtered these users long-term and the webring was overall not prepared to handle them, though I think there wasn't much issue here server wise. I would expect some amount of user drain from the webring is migratory to 8chan.moe as a byproduct of it achieving moderate activity levels (4-5 digit PPD), which matches the preferences of users of og slowboard users and 8chan posters. Some is certainly also deliberate poaching, because that's how it works. That being said, by a huge margin, these are the largest topics on 8chan.moe currently:
>gacha games
>vtubers
>videogames in general
These would have been a huge opportunity, as for many years there was literally no consistent place to discuss mobage in the English sphere, and there is a culture of being very anti-dox or highly moderated in the vtuber sphere that makes it rife for advertisement as a "free forum" for discussion. I would not chase these opportunities necessarily as there is already a seller in place, but they serve as a decent case study. The webring does not have a good, pushed alternative for gacha or vtubers, what else is missing that would have caught the next wave? You may need to refactor your current approach to board management. Namely, what communities are looking for a home, and who would benefit from use of an imageboard?

Here are some notes, in no particular order:
There is a large and basically uncoordinated community dedicated to game modding spread across Nexus, Loverslab, ATF, etc. A board dedicated to the art, creation, display, and discussion of game mods might be popular or useful particularly as a general board for specific subsets of mods. Obviously this leans towards NSFW in terms of creating a niche. Heroine Rumble 2 doesn't even have a subforum on Loverslab yet but gets new content eclipsing anything put out for Fallout in 5 years every week now.
The last infinity cup was 2022. That being said, where even is /sp/ on the webring? Livestreaming events "very legally" and directing discussion this way causally is a great way to poach users. I say this for non /sp/ stuff, too. There are cults of personality on certain 4chan boards that exist solely around people who reshare payperview events. Throw up a share chat and make it clear where the stream's really coming from. Especially if it's clear that "lowly halfchanners aren't wanted," reverse psychology never fails. Is it plausibly deniable? Yeah, if you do it right.
Foreign language boards are always useful to bunker
Here are some 2chan legacies that were lost in translation,
>a board... where you propose new boards, and discuss their logistics
>Nearly every major board has an "underground"/"backside" version that segments off NSFW & shitposts
>there's a board just for webms, mostly full of porn (webring doesn't really have a /gif/ equivalent yet)
>there's a board called "Upload"/uppu where you can directly upload, 50 pages of shit up to 10 mb and 300 pages of shit up to 3 mb archived
The theme of all three of these is that they give people a reason to regularly use your site aside from liking boards or content already present on that site = this drives retention and growth long-term. There's nothing about uppu that forces you into the rest of the site - it just happpens naturally. 
Roblox remains the largest game of all time but no one is brave enough to give the generation of "Roblox Adults" a home, I do wonder how fucked the community would get if literal thousands of semi-human Roblox players swamped /v/ though
Winning people back from Discord is a practice in giving them an identity and something they WANT to say publicly, active highly visible guilds or servers in games is really the cheatcode to drawing in new users these days. Look no further than the autism around Hytale in this regard

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>>5563
>The captcha filters users.
Working as intended.

>>5563
>>5563
>The captcha is extremely gay and filters users. Not because those users are bots, but because it's different. Not different in a "niche, interesting way," either, there are roughly zero captcha otaku in existence.
The bisexual wignat and his /cuteboys/ brigade have no problem solving the captcha. Being unable to solve a simple chess captcha shows that you're racially challenged.

>>5435 (OP) 
>    -Set up on poast/wider fedi to start, and regularly link to threads for gamenights/movie streams as they happen.

I'm a little late to this whole topic (I'm one of those anons who has moved onto group chats and fedi shitposting), but my only piece of advice is to find a fedi instance other than poa.st, assuming that's what you're referring to. poa.st is probably the worst instance I've seen aside from the actual CP honeypots; it's full of whom I can only describe as people who think internet discussion begins and ends with rare pepes. It's like the culture of /b/ and the tastes of facebook.

Stereophonic.space and outerhaven.club are better instances with sensible cross-federation lists so I'd recommend making an account there if you want to help advertise the site.

Regardless, thank you so much for all your work keeping the site online. I have always thought that napchan was the best of all the altchans, despite the increasing levels of salt in the general userbase.

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>>5562
Good job, idiot!
>Fucking proxy host had to hit me with their asynchronous v6 routing nonsense a second time.
And still there was no easy way to find out about what was going on because you decide to use some snowflake obscure whatever site nobody knows or gives a shit about, idiot. So what 99% of the users did was A go to another, better site, potentially not ever coming back tired of having to deal with your shit ever again, or refresh the site page at random seeing if it works. All because you refuse to have multiple off site communication channels or some kind of separate bunker hub as a secondary bunker, idiot. You really are a fucking idiot and you haven't learned anything. The fact this comes just a few days of this whole wall of text nonsense only servers to prove you're all talk and no walk, idiot.
Good job, idiot!
>>5563
>The captcha is extremely gay and filters users. Not because those users are bots, but because it's different.
+1, but it's not because it's different but because it's a buggy mess and very often literally doesn't work or load at all, nevermind when it's so distorted and scrunched that you get those half filled pieces which are literally impossible to tell whether it's supposed to be full or not. Furthermore, judging by the glaring bot posts and CP spammers it's not really doing much other than filtering would be legit users.

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>>5563 >>5567
>The captcha is extremely gay and filters users
Unironically skill issue.
It's weird the first few times but the pattern becomes obvious enough as a regular.

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>>5563
>>5567
>hello I am an obvious outsider, this is why your site sucks and you should let me destroy it also 8moe is totally cool and I love BBC
Why does he even bother?

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>>5569

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>>5563
>gacha
Those threads are 99% botspam or brainrot, nothing of value lost there.
>vtubers
It could work in theory but given how things went down over at marked.gov a "successful" vtoob board has a high likelihood of /qrresearch/-ing the extant community of /v/ideo gamers, on top of potentially bringing in spiteful giga autists with a few botnets on hand to spam the site to death because Sturgeon said something that was heresy against a certain Oshi.
On 8chan at its peak the general userbase was big enough to handle something akin to it but here it's a complete no-go unless the regular userbase were to grow organically or the vtuber board's users themselves are an insular splinter that doesn't want to bother others and has strict rules a la Smug.

>2ch legacies
Legacy for a reason, most of these don't work without a given minimum user and more importantly moderator base.
You can bet your ass a board dedicated to random webm uploads would end up as a hive of CP and niggatry in the current climate because Sleepy doesn't block non-Japanese IP addresses.

>captcha bad
Even LLMs and niggerpill can solve that shit, the flying nigger are you ((( people ))) on about?
Do you want a JS PoW captcha to get rid off the TTY web browser community instead?

t. has been posting and lurking regurarly since day 1 of ZZZ and so far not found a reason to stop no gay anti-loli disclaimers to appease muh gobbermint, no schizophrenic refugees welcome projects from the admins regardless of the community (or even the global rule as the whole faggotry with the blarchniggers during 4um outage showed), no permanent shutdowns (F anon.cafe) or an over-insulated culture (Smug is alright if you're used to it and has by far the most competent mods in western IB history, but you really have to learn the local board culture lest the janitors through you out for littering which seems to be something many younger men with shortened context windows have little eagerness to undergo).

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I agree that advertising is necessary but make sure that the community is not full of unfun hotheads before advertising.
PS.
Don't listen to those who say that the captcha is bad.

>>5572
>but make sure that the community is not full of unfun hotheads before advertising.
No. I prefer my IB filled with schizophrenics and jaded senile boomers. Thank you. Bye.

>>5564
>Working as intended.
>>5565
>The bisexual wignat and his /cuteboys/ brigade have no problem solving the captcha.
So it isn't filtering faggots and it's working as intended (to reduce the site's userbase), got it.

>>5571
I looked at gacha and it seems to be generals with lots of dedicated content and people discussing the games including some OC periodically. I don't know what else you expect from a moderate speed board, really.
I don't consider chasing vtubers or gacha now as a viable option because someone has already done that (although it still looks like the vtuber board is overly moderated, which is why there are various discords or forums that eat into that userbase). The point is that there's always people looking for a bunker or a place to bring private discussions to a public space. Just jump on the next big wave and let the growth follow.
>most of these don't work without a given minimum user and more importantly moderator base.
All of those types of boards increase userbase. Having NSFW and SFW boards cleanly split and catering to both explicitly broadens appeal, not the other way around. Serving as a catbox style website to dump a temporary file without sweating a registration has driven tens of thousands of people to use futaba in Japan passively over the years. webm threads were always popular and /gif/ is still a fast board on 4chan iirc.
The moderation problem is, obviously, pre-eminent. Part of why 4chan succeeded where most of the other SA splinters died is that it pursued edgy content but had an already-established moderation team on the second attempted go live date. You need to be able to moderate quickly and uncontroversially (or at least with a decent amount of good humor) if you want to grow. 

Incidentally, as shown with >>5569 the taboo about literally even mentioning other websites as if they exist or you have viewed them was by a mile the worst invention for 8chan's lifespan. All of the most successful splinter sites including 4chan itself were born in large part as raid sites. You need to be able to talk about, point at, comment on other websites if you are going to make funny OC that shits on them, or to do something explicitly different from them. 
I never used 8chan.moe because anything aping the 8chan name after the 8kunt.fed catastrophe relay seemed like a gay waste of time, but the fact I am aware the website exists and not terrified to mention it makes me an "outsider" t. tryhard newfag. How are you supposed to draw people if you can't even set yourself apart? 
Particularly with anon stock of that caliber. You are talking about people who see someone who has potentially been on posting imageboards longer than they have been alive and their first instinct is to go "what a BBC-loving outsider !1!1" -- how do you prune around that sort of tumor festering in your garden? In general you can get a lot of these people to self-select out with word filters and pointed bans but the site is already so diminished that feels like it'd kill what's left.

We're back? Okay. 
>>5497
Lurk Moar worked on old 4chan because there was nothing else like it on the internet. If you wanted actual old otaku weeb culture board in English, that was it. I think maybe there were some anime shrines or Anime News Network's forums, but ask yourself: Would you want to post with the population of ANN? Or Gaia? Or any other anime shrine online at the time? No randomly dumping out of context hentai screenshots or pictures of panties on those boards, most of them didn't even like Japan just the anime.

Nowadays, there are alternatives to 4chan and tons of altchans, so demanding every lurker "lurk moar" will just result in them leaving. There needs to be some tolerance for newfags without outright surrendering board culture to the equivalent of election tourists or chanology cancer.

>>5572
I kind of like the new captcha but only because I like seeing unique captchas instead of the same 2-3 cloudflare/google ones take over the internet (and thus become impotent to the real bots).

I don't think Captchas are inherently bad, I think the annoying ones absolutely are and stacking them doesn't work. I remember captchas being a thing on 00s internet to stop the bots back then and it was the same story.

Slight update: Making threads on 4cuck is currently broken, you make a thread and it gives a 500 error in return. So this could be the next surge of altchan interest people are looking for.

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Some boards have bled users since their inception, which in turn made people leave, and repeat in a vicious cycle. There's no recovering it unless something drastic happens which probably won't happen. Trying to get people to leave other sites for this one is like trying to get someone to leave their house for a smaller house. Not trying to demoralize just telling it how I see it. It's too slow on places like /v/ for anybody to ever get any meaningful/timely discussion there at this point so it's only really good for gamenights.

>>5578
and this is a sad fact too, we're not just competing with 4cuck but every altchan that also has a video game or a /pol/ board, which is almost all of them. Going by what other people know of this chan that I've seen: the only thing zzz has been known for is that it hosts the natsoc board.

>>5574
>So it isn't filtering faggots and it's working as intended (to reduce the site's userbase), got it.
See the entirety of this thread >>5329 the homo got a banlift and permission to post.

>people resist any suggestions of change (again)
>4chan goes down (again)
>nothing happens (again)
See you in a year or two when we repeat this cycle (again).

>>5580
I haven't been banned for over a year, retard. I've been posting the whole time.

>>5583
I'd rather this site die and be infested with sodomite spammers, than it be allowed to gestate into actual shxrty cancer.

>>5585
>sodomite spammers
Textbook dishonesty. Nobody is spamming.

>>5586
Sure.

>>5587
What spam? Prove it.

>>5474
>If you want to grow the userbase, please don't do ethno-political-cultural faggotry along the lines of "we are the last bastion of freeze peach on the Internet and it is our biblical duty to accept any and all oppressed communites from the vile clutches of the uhhhh idk democrats whatever now say hello to /hebe/ and /shartresearch/ I will ban you if you express your dislike of this in the gamergate thread you're only allowed to talk about this in the meta thread teehee~".
lmao this is part of why my community back on 4chan refused to move to it despite being shat up by the same schizo daily

You should turn /fit/ into /fitlit/ so tusslers of the physical and intellect can have a place to retard. It would also creat a "self-improve" place, which is popular on the internets and might develop a decent poomunity.

>>5590
The point being that, if we want an active community, we need to provide things that develop active communities, and forms of self-development will always be very popular.

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>>5549 (obviously me)
Works in a different browser. Probably an issue of me:
>never updating browsers software
>never deleting cookies nor cached data
>computer slowly dying 
>Chrome being more supported than Firefox
All those liked porn videos though... I don't want to make an account. :(  That and all the hidden threads. The [x] is still different though in either browser. 
>>5590
>>5591
I've used imageboards more than any other website in my whole middle aged life and I've never used a /fit/ even once even when I was improving except maybe once when I was baiting them with a starter image I made that had some filename like perfection.png. It had lemon pepper in it, rice and beans, self rising flower, and nothing else. I think I had trailmix in it though with candy and made a bait-point of how  the lemon pepper is literal crack to which some anon was all 'tHat'S beCauSe uR liTterALly STARVING" while he freaked out at the lack of meat in the image. There may have been canned or evaporated milk. I lost over 100 lbs in less than 11 months.

>>5563
>The captcha is extremely gay and filters users
Yes, and it's kept a LOT of undesirables out over the years. Endgame stays.

>There is a large and basically uncoordinated community dedicated to game modding spread across Nexus, Loverslab, ATF, etc. A board dedicated to the art, creation, display, and discussion of game mods
>The theme of all three of these is that they give people a reason to regularly use your site aside from liking boards or content already present on that site = this drives retention and growth long-term.
These are extremely good points. I'm going to need to think about more potential communities to potentially reach out/cater to but zzz was always intended to host a wider range of groups (we have fascists AND lolberts etc)

>Winning people back from Discord is a practice in giving them an identity and something they WANT to say publicly, active highly visible guilds or servers in games is really the cheatcode to drawing in new users these days. Look no further than the autism around Hytale in this regard

Best we've got right now is gamenights, the recent monhun groups might also fit the bill the old 8ch monhun group was a riot and got huge. 

>I do wonder how fucked the community would get if literal thousands of semi-human Roblox players swamped /v/ though
Yes, some selectivity is warranted here.

>>5567
>+1, but it's not because it's different but because it's a buggy mess and very often literally doesn't work or load at all 
I have an very hard time replicating the issues that get reported on the captcha. My best guess is my caching system is messing with it, but testing is next to impossible without details. The reworked bug thread will have a guide specifically for this. drafts are mostly done for /meta/ threads

>>5568
He doesn't mean the grid, sometimes it does bug out and display nothing/not accept the correct answer. 

>>5572
Endgame is literally the quickest captcha system I've ever used, personally. Warped text/grainy photos take me WAY longer to solve.

>>5578
I think courting underserved/disparate communities like >>5563 said may be a potential path for us. It may not be the traditional board lineup we're used to but if we get enough populated boards more boards can come into being from mutual interest.

>>5594
>courting underserved/disparate communities like >>5563 said may be a potential path for us
NOOOOO THAT'S NOT THE SAME AS 4CHAN I'M LOSING MY MIND 4CHAN DOESN'T HAVE THOSE SO WE MUST ABSOLUTELY NOT HAVE THEM GO BACK TO REDDIT TOURIST TOURIST TOURIST FAGGOT GAY

>>5563
>The captcha is extremely gay and filters users.
The WN gays have no problem bypassing it, you're just too brown for this place, ahmed.

Goddammit I had 2 proxy backup candidates lined up to test Saturday and the current host has to make a fool out of me.

1st proxy host is hard down due to updates going wrong on their end. We are currently on another host, and when the first is online we will have proper redundancy. Hopefully this doesn't happen again, once I have the two working together I'll go for a third just to be sure.

Again, apologies for the downtime, the timing could not have been worse.

>>5598
Well, thanks for getting it back up and running. Frustrated or not, I must commend your willingness to keep the boat afloat.

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>zzz wuz ded again in rapid succession
>wanted to check if it was something serious this time just in case
>look at recent archive of frontpage for any clue of somewhere to see
>external comms link
>pleroma instance that died two years ago
>look for any mention of zzz on random search engine results
>stumble over active thread on some board i've never heard of, junkuchan/shelter
>ancient op refers to maybe trying minds
>actual current posts say what's going on
>my ip is on some gayop blacklist
Thx bro

Might want to link some external comms that you actually use

>>5600
Yes, next step is fixing text around the site

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>>5598
What's up with that proxy and why does it go down so often? IME most hosts don't suffer downtime that frequently.
>>5602
>>5604
>>5605
Usecase for demoralization?

>>5609
> IME most hosts don't suffer downtime that frequently
I don't know what they're doing, hopefully they can fix their shit. They've promised a blog post explaining what happened when they're back up but the first bit of instability should have been my cue to set up a backup proxy.

>>5611
I've noticed that too, I post something then someone replies, but before I can even respond some strange third party hijacks the conversation and pretends to be me. Issue is the mods are genuinely a part of the problem, they know who's subverting(moderator tools) but remain silent, or even ban/delete you with a false charge you if you point the subversion out.

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I noticed ALL my posts got MEMHOLED...Huh..
I was not the person Impersonating me.This is a META thread, isn't it?
You would reject input from other Chans just on the basis of...?

>WHAT HAPPENED?

>WHAT CAN I DO?

We had problems with a kikezoomer named "DOGE" who was foolishly given a MOD position, and then he pissed off a questionable, but erudite anon who became 
THE NIGGERDICKSPAMMER
At the same time, some faggot who was riding the notoriety of FrensChan was playing "little Cæsar Clown" was both drama-farming in other Chans&Channels AND playing a foil to the several disinfo/disruptor faggots there(Telefed)

IDK what is going on here exactly, but from what I can glean, this chan has had similar bubble-ups and collapse of the user group.

While I personally believe that Drama-bombing is a wonderful waste of time /s, I don't think that wholesale memholing of posts serves anyChan.
> "If you don't know your history, you are BOUND to repeat it until you get it right..." 

Funny thing...
They broke my ability to use captcha® as well at the time.
Good thing I had IRL shit to do.

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>>5629
Typing out /s is reason enough all on it's own to get pruned. Then there's posting a nigger for no reason of which is another single reason to get pruned. On top of that you pretend to be the victim after trying to bait people via your obnoxious perosnality, a third reason to be pruned. A fourth is being such an outsider that you use chan but everyone recently lets that one slide it seems. 

If you had something better to do you'd not come back after censored to cry about it. You were craving (You)s as you have no friends irl and that's due to your being obnoxious. You cope with your lack of a social life through using bait tactics to get (You)s on the Internet and you are so bad at it that you were banned all the way to this dark corner of the Internet.  

inb4 I'm the schizophrenia induced tulpa that is spoofing your IP address.

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>>5630
Truthnvke. This was all evident when fagporn, nigger porn, shotaporn and loliporn were spam in quick succession one after the other also the lolispammer was caught posting pro-fag propaganda and shota.
>>>/b/317922
>>>/b/317931

>>5631
stopped reading at truthnvke tbh

Would a userbase survey be useful at all? Take all issues ITT, list them and have people rate how urgent they are from 1 to 5, so Sturgeon-kun can see whats important from the aggregate scores?

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>>5435 (OP) 
>blah blah blah
>words words words
and almost a month after nothing at all has changed except the site going down again and having zero communication whatsoever. how and why do you expect to "reverse" anything when you've shown time and time again you're all talk and no walk? updating the software does nothing and hardly even crosses the "bare minimum" of the maintenance aspect of managing a site like this and you've only done it after literal years and only because you were pressured. fuck you stupid nigger faggot.

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>>5635
I've also been in these kinds of situations before.

>>5635
And yet you won't leave.  How shameless.

Does it even go down? I never see it down hardly at all from a year long perspective.  
>>5636
>being ashamed of expressing yourself
Only normalfaggots are effected by gaslighting.

I think general threads should be banned. Some board are completely barren and have a general that is relatively active, those posts could have been new threads.

>>5638
The other boards are not barren due to "general threads". A lot of new traffic at this point just doesn't attempt to use other boards, period.

>>5639
It's because when you enter a board and see bunch of threads that are years old - you leave. 
I think /tech/ and /fascist/ just have one general thread that is active. With that approach It's like a chatroom more than a board.

>>5640
>It's because when you enter a board and see bunch of threads that are years old - you leave. 
This is a problem with your own attention span more than anything.

>>5640
>threads that are years old
That's intentional and desired by zzzchan's userbase. People here HATE anything new. But that makes me wonder what the point of this thread discussing potential changes was.

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>getting new users is impossible!
It's because no imageboard really does too much risque shit anymore and in fact, most imageboard views and politics have long entered the normalfag sphere. I'd argue 70% of the shit we say here is considered "moderate" nowadays.
This is absolutely not an invitation to fedpost nor am I fedposting, merely reporting actual news that is going on, but the latest normalfag activity is breaking and entering the Scientology building in California and recording "speedruns" of it and manually mapping it out.
That's the kind of stuff a very, very old 8chan/4chan effort 10 years ago would have done.
And yes, it's been 10 years.
Now it's easy to figure out why exactly no imageboard is doing risque shit anymore, and I am not advocating for it, especially considering what nuked the old 8chan, just giving a viewpoint. Closest thing was the sharty nuking cuckchan for a while but even then things resumed like nothing happened.
Now it's normalfags doing most of the risky shit.
This is not to say imageboards are dead, for anonymity will always have its place, it's just that we're also the remaining 30%. And between the sharty raping your CPU just to access the site and cuckchan wanting your real email the webring feels like one of the only real places left for it that isn't JUST schizos.

As far as policy changes and the like go, just quit taking bait. It's all trolls trying to troll trolls, and in my shoes I would nuke whatever reply chain of trolls shitting up the thread was there. If you want an example of that left unchecked, take a stroll through cuckchan's own /vp/.

>>5637
>Only normalfaggots are effected by gaslighting.
Most posters here are normalfags, look at how they laughed, mocked and berated the wanna-be-gay guy for weeks.
>>5643
>I'd argue 70% of the shit we say here is considered "moderate" nowadays.
>the latest normalfag activity is breaking and entering the Scientology building in California and recording "speedruns" of it and manually mapping it out.
My zoomzoom underage relatives yap on about kikes and badmouth jeets, only amongst the senile userbase of this website is spamming nigger or other racial slurs revolutionary. Even lolishit is spreading irl and is being normalized amongst normies(rebecca from the cyberpunk tranime). As you said IBs lost their edge, when even the rightwing neetsoc fedposters have moved to telegram.

>>5644
>when even the rightwing neetsoc fedposters have moved to telegram.
Unfortunately that is also not at all an anonymous spot considering they want your fucking phone number just to sign up with them.

>>5645
>Unfortunately that is also not at all an anonymous spot considering they want your fucking phone number just to sign up with them.
What's your solution? There are times when a post takes days if not weeks to get a reply on /fascist/, that wasn't the case back on 8chan, julay, cafe and 16chan. I could get the same shit on discord, telegram and X. No one cares about anonymity if it meant dealing schizophrenia and genuine autism.

Actual movements like Hamas use whatsapp emojis for their communication and coordination, lack of anonymity is not an excuse for inaction.

>>5646
I unfortunately can't really say I've got one other than to keep stoking the flames, so to say. So long as there's people posting, we're still alive, even if relatively small. Undeniably, at some point in time those sites are gonna crack down on communicating like that.

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>>5643
>most imageboard views and politics have long entered the normalfag sphere
>70% of the shit we say here is considered "moderate" nowadays
They're still just normalfags.

>>5646
If you just want a faster /fascist/, why not go to /homu/?

>>5649
Not so subtle advertising of a glorified discord chatroom board. Eat shit and die.

>>5650
I don't understand your schizo obsession with us. It was an actual question.

>>5435 (OP) 
Hey Sturgeon, can you deal with increasing number of bad actors on fascist? They're a threat to the site and webring in general. Constantly getting into clashes with the site userbase and administration, I feel it's better if we cut off this tumor before it gets too big.

>>5653
>dont like muh self admitted advertising? obsessed!
The more you respond, the more convinced I am you that are a legitimate tranny.

>>5637
Does self-doxing count? Why not demonstrate how unaffected one can be.

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What is the correct answer to this captcha? This answer was wrong. I'm trying to report some spam but I've tried it a dozen times by now and not gotten it right - and I was fluent in the old captcha so I know it isn't just me being dumb.

>trying to ask for help about captcha
>forced to solve captcha
Ah...

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>>5657
>the filled square within a square doesn't count as filled
>the filled circle within a circle doesn't count as filled
Oh. That's stupid.

This one was a failure. What was the correct answer?

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>>5655
<two percent of our children are mtfs I am literally shaking 
>>5656
<to prove ur not ashamed then why don't you just let everyone know where u live so everyone can attack u for being shamless? XD
What a retarded question. It's because I don't want to throw out my back digging a giant hole in my backyard. I could lose my job!
>>5654
A long time ago 'bad actors' used to mean something. The soyjacks staying up on Fascist is the only thing wrong with it, that and my libertarian posts staying up when they're off topic of which suprised me considering how...delicate Orlog's feelings have been in the past with other users that were simply being arugmentative on his board. I was not being argumentative so I suppose he was okay with the libertarian perspectives though is arguing illegal? How are you going to convince people you are right about being right wing if you never banter?  Not that I care, I hate lefts and rights for being to authoritarian and that  includes democrats and rebulicans. 
>>5649
Artificial traffic?
>>5644
WIth how vocal minorities ruin everything they may as well all be normalfags to any crowd viewing the drama. Nobody very normal would stay here for very long, they need real human interaction as normal people despite being mean do like to be around other real actual people and not just animu images and texts.
>>5646
>no one wants to be around autistics and schizophrenics abnormalfags
I'd tell ya to pick a side but I'm too prone to virtue signalling the centrism that is true libertarianism. If imageboards were 'the one percent' and 'the one percent' are being driven to commit suicide by our gay society and it's supposed need for conforming, and what with vocal normalfags bulling people for not being normal, then perhaps that's why the Internet died in general. At that point you have to become a necromancer and that is not a real solution, only time for new users to grow up and and use the Internet later on in their lives once they become and or realizae they are abnormal. Maybe cryogenics could help with that if not a blatant time machine. Far after gen alpha is adult is when the Internet's political narratives and pseudo policies will change enough for actual fun to happen that would lead to high traffic via abnormal posters. Abnoraml posters are dead so of course normalfaggot services with no anonymity are flooded. that's how it works, the abnormalfag was killed by people that hate literal minorities. Not rocket science, the elephant sized mistake in the room. 
<are you defending jews and trannies???
You have to take the good with the bad or you get nothing. Due to soyspam it's going to take at least 100 years for us to recover from a lack of maturity, and by that I do mean tolerance.

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>>5657
It's same as old one but with a ring now, so I just mentally paint the background white when solving
The square is weird though, I suspect that's a bug?
>>5658
Second pic has a weird circle, like the square

Anyway, I get the same answers as you, so... unsure. Let's try the captcha I get
>weird square and circle
<bzzt
attempt 2...
<bzzt
uh
<bzzt
...
>refreshes
damnit

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>>5660
Now I want to try again to defend my honor. If I succeed first try I'll post, otherwise not.

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>IQ filtering Captcha just went from Hard to Lunatic.
I see no problem here.

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>>5662
I concur. 
>>5661
>>5660
Nope. Still not hard enough.

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Hello, I have been working on the robo janny while also preparing to move. It's been rough.

Project Ponko is coming along quite nicely, and is able to detect spam patterns as they occur and apply bans retroactively. Currently need to improve tooling on my end as well as adjust sensitivity in a few areas. It's good about cartoons now but I need to refine other areas before siccing it on the usual suspects.

Woody kid is a faggot

>>5667
He is, and will hopefully be screaming into the void as ponko wipes his posts. Latency is currently high as im running her on my own pc but she'll eventually be moved to the appserver and see everything the instant it hits the DB.

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>>5666
>It's good about cartoons now
<trying to identify csam without getting cartoon csam identified as csam

>>5676
Personally, I am not a fan of lolishit, but I also don't believe stylized lolshit should be considered "CSAM" It isn't and trying to normalize it as being such just gives already fat and lazy federal agents an easier path to prosecute anons, And feds are the ones distributing cheese pizza in the first place.

>>5677
>lolshit
lolishit*
>considered "CSAM" It isn't
but* it isn't

>>5663
Yet it still doesn't keep out the soyjak rabble and spammers. Maybe the difficulty of the captcha isn't the problem here (anyone can hire a mechanical turk to do this shit anyways) but the method in which it is relayed to the end user. Maybe then, the admins can unban the entire VPN ranges they currently have perma'd as a fruitless tactic to rid the site of bots and other bad actors who have a plethora of other ASNs to take advantage of and post from. Yet another retarded tactic that evidently doesn't work, which is why bots like this >>5666 are necessary. 
Of course, that implies the bot won't go rogue and cause backend issues like that meido bot did back on /a/. 

Much like gun control laws, the only people truly affected by the range banning (other than range banning countries with subhumans like India or Israel) are law abiding anons who are given one more reason not to use this site in favor of other imageboards.

>>5706
The only lengthy (longer than ten days) bans currently active are for ranges that I have only seen CP posted from and a couple bans related to a bot, though none of those are permanent. Recent spam attacks were either carried out via script when the captcha wasn't active or performed manually (which is why Tor is currently down).

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POSSIBLE EXODUS SOON, FELLOW STALKERS....

https://desuarchive.org/m/thread/23803175/

tl;dr
>4/m/ poster alleges to have peeked in on 4janny discord
>4ch might be GONE by 2028 based on internal finances
>most jannies GONE, barely any mods left
>GookMoot MIA from usual streamfaggotry
>massive drop in userbase; jeets trolling jeets for all eternity everywhere
>anons mention that 4cuck may have "outlived its purpose" as a honeypot and glowies are pulling out

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>>5712
The ashes of the burnt brush finally washing away.

>suggestions
>>5720 This anon complained about not being able to post because someone posted CSAM from that specific IP. Rather than applying a ban, why not just limit that IP ability to post images for 3 months to 6 months ?

Sorry for double posting, a suggestion regarding the onion.
>The captcha must be enabled for all boards
>The user must manually request a captcha to solve
>A random timer, between 120 seconds and 480 seconds, is generated
>The user must wait for the duration of the timer
>The captcha must be solved within 60 seconds, failing to solve the captcha in time the user must make another request
>The user has two attempts to solve the captcha, if the user fails the user must make another request

>>5735
Isn't this the same shit 4cuck does to suicide their usert engagement?

>>5739
You can post on 4ddit with Tor?

>>5735
Tor should just be disposed of, it has brought nothing but trannyspammers and pedo links. Why are you scared of posting using your bare-IP, have something to hide, kike? That's what I thought, bunch-a no good rabblerousers, your lot.

>>5765
Unsure how much CP has been posted from Tor using the regular link, but very little has been posted through the onion.

>>5712
Truly more evidence that Sharty has the imageboard mandate of heaven, for lack of a better term. Dire straits indeed.

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>>5767
>Truly more evidence that Sharty has the imageboard mandate of heaven
As it should, the 'jacks shall inherit the earth as it was dictated in heaven. The anti-soyjack sentiment that is common on the webring is a reflection of the webring's inability to influence, move and direct the greater culture. The webring is inhabited by the eternally infantile, the sub-5, the delusional, and worst of all the manlet. The aforementioned are doomed to a life of digital-cuckoldry, endlessly reacting, critiquing and consuming offsite culture, while producing no culture of their own.

Total involcel death.

The torch of National-Socialism and Volkism is in trustworthy hands, the shart will be a beacon of Aryan pleromic light in a sea of jewish kenomic darkness.

>>5768
put me in the screencap

>>5768
A single issue of the zine has more creativity than every soy-focused booru combined. Soyjak shit is just post-post-ironic mockery of imageboard culture. It's pretty much /s4s/ as an image macro.

>>5768
if soy wojaks are aryan, then i'm the blackest gorilla nigger monkey.
>>5770
<A single issue of the zine has more creativity than every soy-focused booru combined.
read by no more than 50 people at best, the average zoomer shares agartha kirk reels, clash ai songs and other soy brainrot. i have been met by indifference when sharing the so called soulful "creative" work of zzzchan, no one outside of an ever decreasing circle cares about ibs or ib culture. the young ones would rather get groomed by a tranny on minecraft or radicalised into islamism on roblox.

i'm too much of a boomer to leave this dying shithole.