I've migrated and fixed a bunch of shit along the way, but if anything is broken please use this thread to report it. I've locked the previous thread to focus new issues here.
Two known issues:
- Favicon didn't fly so good
- Need to set up a new tor socks5 proxy for webring
Both of these will be fixed shortly.
EDIT 9/17: APPLICATIONS ARE NOW OPEN FOREVER. FEEL FREE TO SUBMIT ONE AT ANY TIME.
I will leave the rest of the post intact, please ignore the special stipulations.
Hello and welcome to the fist round of BO applications for zzzchan. I will outline the application process below, along with some special stipulations for this first round.
To apply for a board, you must submit your answers to the following questions:
1. What will the focus of your board be?
2. What will the rules be?
3. How would you handle the following hypothetical scenarios:
A. A user who is only breaking the rules of your board has a substantial post history that is perfectly fine up until the single instance you are reviewing. What do you do?
B. A spammer posts CP. What do you do?
C. A spammer has slid your catalog and all unpinned threads are gone. What do you do?
4. What time range(s) would you normally be able to keep an eye on the board?
5. If your board becomes active enough, do you agree to look for one or more vol(s) to help you? Do you know anyone already?
6. Why do you want to be a moderator for this board?
STIPULATIONS FOR ROUND 1
- I will be taking applications for up to three boards, two of which are reserved.
- The 2 reserved boards are /b/ and /tech/, the third can be anything else, though I'd prefer to hold off on porn boards.
- Applicants for /b/ do not need to provide answers to questions 1&2 or hypotheticals A&C. /b/ will be global rules only.
- /b/ & /tech/ will only be added if I get a good application for them. A lack of applications for either will not open another slot for a different board.
STIPULATIONS FOR ALL ROUNDS
- I am not looking to add /pol/ at this time. If this ever changes I will announce it.
- I am also not going to accept boards dedicated to more extreme fetishes. Nothing akin to /abdl/.
- I am not looking to poach certain boards that exist elsewhere on the webring. For example: as much as I'd love to have /k/ here I do not wish to split what's left of 8/k/ between here and anon.cafe.
- If I like you application but do not add your board in a given round, I will let you know and may even reserve a slot in the next round. Obsolete rule
- If your application falls a bit short I may prompt you to fill in the gaps.
- I reserve the right to not accept boards based purely on their focus. This does not mean I will deny boards I have no interest in, such as /r9k/. I think variety is important for imageboards.
STIPULATIONS FOR ORPHANED/MIGRATING BOARDS FROM OTHER SITES
- All Migrating/orphaned boards will be considered outside of the application cycle and should contact me at the same email address listed below.
- I will require proof that you are/were the BO/mod on another imageboard, or that the moderation team for the board in question has fallen apart.
- You must agree to follow all global rules for this site.
- You must agree to actively moderate the new board.
- If accepted, you must notify anons on the old board if it still exists. I do not mind If zzzchan is used as a bunker until a migration can be coordinated/ anons are comfortable making the switch. The new board will be unlisted in this type of scenario and will not be announced until ready.
Other than all that, I am now accepting applications at [email protected] , I look forward to your applications!This is a long overdue state of the site address. ZZZ has been languishing for a while now and as its admin I can only take responsibility for this and work to address/reverse it. I will not be making excuses, I can only offer this and future changes as a mea culpa.
With that said, here is the plan for changes going forward. All feedback and suggestions are welcomed, I just ask that you stay on topic and keep the shitposting light and tasteful.
Site Maintenance
- I will be updating jschan this Sunday evening and I will be performing monthly updates going forward. I will look into properly automating this but you'll have to excuse my paranoia when I've had debian fucking brick itself updating because I tried to install a more recent version of ffmpeg. Consider this the initial shit test for the rest of the plan.
-I'll be paying more attention to /meta/ in general, specifically bug reports. The current bug thread will be edited with a guide on submitting a helpful bug request.
-I'll be fixing the text errors across the site as well.
- I have a WIP custom docker image for jschan that I have picked back up, this will ease automation of updates and other management tasks once complete. Current progress is around 80%. This would also speed up a full redeployment if needed as it would handle redis etc.
- All recent (last ~6 months+) hiccups in site performance have been downstream of the proxy hosting provider (although some were due to massive attacks on major infrastructure). I use this provider because they explicitly state that they do not care about cartoons in their TOS. If anyone is aware of any provider with a similar policy (and preferably accepts monero) please let me know so I can set up a proper failover.
If I can brag about one thing, ZZZ has always had a robust backup system. All site data and configs for all parts of the infrastructure have encrypted backups. It has always been the case that if all ZZZ servers were to vanish overnight I could rebuild the site within 24 hours (would mainly be waiting on upload to the new server).
Moderation
This has been a consistent pain point for us since day one. Recruiting is difficult when each moderator represents 1% of the board or more and this put us in a 'take all comers' position by necessity, for better or worse.
-I have not been able to spend as much time as needed moderating the site. All I can say is that I'm going to have more time available going forward.
-We need volunteers, and we need to vet them better. I already require all mods to be in contact with me over matrix. This is done because we need some form of coordination and matrix has proven to be more reliable than other privacy focused apps.
-We've had a consistent pattern of one anon really stepping up for /b/ on his own and eventually burning out. We need multiple active mods at once to both lighten the load AND keep each other accountable.
-I am opening applications for /b/ specifically, with other board applicants welcomed too (you will be put into contact with the respective BO to finish with them). Anyone who would like to apply should email me at [email protected] with your ZZZ and matrix account name (you can make one via either app.element.io or app.cinny.in) and your answers to the following:
-Links to posts you have made (older the better). You will be asked to post a random string from the same IP to confirm, don't use a tor exit node.
-Do you have any prior moderation experience?
-What window/time zones are you able to cover?
-How would you make ZZZchan a better place?
-Did you back up your matrix password/recovery key?
-Do you agree to enforce ZZZ global rules and refrain from editorial decisions outside of very clear line stepping/evasion? You will be expected to run these cases by other mods when starting out.
-Applicants will be kept under watch for a few weeks by other mods. They'll be expected to sound off on exactly what they're doing in matrix.
-I'll be setting up a dedicated moderation feedback thread here on /meta/ for disputing moderation action. All parties will be expected to be civil in this thread but it will serve as a sort of courtroom watched by all globals. Any mod other than myself that deletes posts in this thread will be reprimanded, and I will only clear out blatant spam. You are welcome to use archives to hold me to that.
-For things like getting wrongly word filtered, please appeal those bans when letting us know, it makes cleaning out the filters and lifting the ban much easier.
-I will be cleaning up the rest of the pinned /meta/ threads.
-I am considering a very basic automated janny, some self-hosted LLM doing a basic check on the live global feed for known spam patterns which would be more sophisticated than current string filtering. This is still in the idea phase but I'd like to hear any concerns from you and any proposals for checks and balances on such a system. I am not proposing anything as "active" as hoihoi.
-Global reports can be used if you feel something really needs my attention, not just moderation action. I just ask you use this sparingly and do not spam it. Reporting something multiple times doesn't increase visibility.
-And finally, Joyeuse. Yes, he is often overzealous but he is also consistently putting in the work, especially during off hours for US timezones. If you want him doing less, take work from him by volunteering.
Community
-I have always been a lurker, and this has led to very minimal interaction between myself and all of you. I will be creating Quarterly Q&A threads here on meta going forward where I will answer questions about the site (with fun allowed and maybe guest appearances). Consider this thread to also be the first proper Q&A, with another being scheduled for late may and the proper quarterly ones starting in august (ZZZ's birth month). That's today, ~5/31, August, November etc.
-The most recent Q&A will be left up and open in the interim.
-For news, we need more events. Not giving Tengu the ability to write news was a missed opportunity, but a /news/ thread for submissions might be fun (gamenight exploits, recap of the week's movies between >>>/vhs/ & >>>/bmn/, anything). What say you?
-I will need to do some footwork talking to respective organizers for this but I can make proper site-wide announcements/a ZZZ calendar for things like gamenights, move nights/streams etc. Open to ideas here.
-I have also set up a dedicated ZZZ streaming server that has been tested by c0de over at >>>/bmn/ for a few months now. As it's proven to be stable enough I can start opening this up to interested parties, it just needs a little work to handle endpoints with multiple users. Email me if interested.
I'd love to host another VintageStory server
Growth and Advertising
First of all, word of mouth advertising clearly did not pan out. This was evident years ago and I should have been active from the get go.
There are some major difficulties here. A majority of the old 8ch diaspora have moved on to twitter/poast/fedi as well as very insular discord enclaves. The brutal reality is that we likely aren't going to win these anons back with just the IB format, but we might just win them over with events.
The good news is that there are enough of them that if even a fraction are enticed back, we'll be booming. The hardest part is going to be clawing back to a self sustaining userbase.
Here's some ideas, I need your feedback here more than anything:
-Set up on poast/wider fedi to start, and regularly link to threads for gamenights/movie streams as they happen.
-Twitter seems like either too much or the wrong kind of attention.
-Tongue-in-cheek propaganda/adverts featuring ztan.
-Some boards have enticing OC, will be talking to some BOs about using it.
-Anything you guys can think of, this is my weakest area.
This is what's going to require the most work on my part, and while I'm not a very good salesman I'm willing to put in the work if you'll work with me a little bit. Pitching ZZZ is ultimately pitching you, the anons that post here. Help me by making that look like something worth joining.
I'll be making bulk replies here for the Q&A, so fire away with anything you've got.This thread is for handling boards from other sites that wish to migrate here/have been orphaned if public thread creation is locked on /meta/. If public thread creation is open you are free to make a dedicated thread here, otherwise I will make one for you.
The rules for migration are :
- All Migrating/orphaned boards will be considered outside of the application cycle and should contact me at the same email address listed below.
- I will require proof that you are/were the BO/mod of the original board, or that the moderation team for the board in question has fallen apart.
- You must agree to follow all global rules for this site.
- You must agree to actively moderate the new board.
- If accepted, you must notify anons on the old board if it still exists. I do not mind If zzzchan is used as a bunker, the new board will be unlisted in this type of scenario and will not be announced until ready.
Feel free to ping me at [email protected] in case of a happening. I'll come right here.
Hello and welcome to zzzchan! I will be using this thread to explain how this site is set up and answer the initial wave of questions. Thread creation on /meta/ will be locked initially, I will explain how this will be handled going forward below.
Now, to answer some initial questions:
>Who the fuck are you? Who are the other mods?
I am sturgeon, I was a mod back on fat/v/ and later z/v/. fat/v/ was my first role as a moderator in any capacity. I'm happy to say that Pasta and seagull have also stuck around and will be managing /v/. r9k's BO will also be back.
>Nice namefagging
I intend to only use my name & role tag when posting something relevant to my role or the site.
>Why have you set this up?
Because zchan was doing fairly well before the admin pulled the plug without warning. I'd been considering making my own IB since fat died but once zchan went down I decided I had to make the effort.
>Will you abandon this after x amount of time?
I've gone through the effort of setting all this up after losing 2 previous boards. I'm doing this because I want it to, and I plan to keep this place running as long as I can.
>why zzzchan?
It's new, but familiar. Also Pasta worked very hard on the new logo, be sure to say nice things about it to him directly.
>How is this any more secure than the last jschan iterations?
This site is being run on 2 dedicated servers, one running the application and the other functioning as a proxy. All traffic to and from the app server is being routed through the proxy server. The app server is also set to drop any connection that is not from said proxy, so even if you knew the app server's ip you'd have no way of proving that it's running this site. the app server is also forcing ipv6, which should keep it safe from crawlers like Shodan and the like while also making it harder to ddos. This is a much simpler setup than what I initially outlined on /geimu/ but it covers all of the important functionality. I can also still decouple the db into it's own server if I want to, and I can add extra proxy/app servers if needed (though spare proxies will go farther).
tl;dr : the only real attack surface is the proxy server, the app server simply goes invisible if there is no proxy, and I can spool up more proxies/have a hot spare if anything happens to the current one.
>Is all of this working perfectly?
Not quite, there are 2 bugs right now:
1. Real-time post updates are not working. I still need to work out how to get websockets to go through the proxy properly. you will see the error switch back to timed refresh after a few seconds, so auto update is still semi-working.
2. Geoip flags are all inheriting the proxy server's location. I've already solved this issue with post IDs so I have a rough idea of what I need to do to fix this, but it is not high priority.
I also fully expect shenanigans immediately after launch, so if anything happens I will be working to fix it as fast as I can.
>Are you going to add new boards? How are you going to handle adding boards?
I do not plan on adding new boards for at least a couple weeks, until things stabilize. I plan on having an application process for prospective BOs. I have not fully written this process out but here's a rough outline:
1. I will announce that I am accepting applications for new boards. All applicants will be directed to a specific email address where they will submit their answers to a few questions, such as:
A. What would the focus of your board be?
B. What would the rules be?
C. How would you handle xyz hypothetical scenario?
D. There may be more questions, I still need to decide.
2. I would review and pick a handful (likely 3) of the best applications and talk a bit with the applicants directly to get them ready to launch their boards. Launches would likely be staggered by a day or two.
3. I would announce the new board prior to launch and give the new BO a dedicated thread on /meta/ to talk to you all directly. This is so the BO can answer questions/recruit vols.
4. The new board goes live and I will help the new BO manage it for x amount of time. Boards that get over a certain amount of activity will be encouraged to have at least 1 vol.
I reserve the right to deny any board for any reason, but I do not plan on turning boards away simply due lack of interest on my part. I think variety is important. The real purpose of this entire process is to prevent first come/first served situations like back on 8chan and to not have a list full of dead boards. It's experimental, so if something about this process isn't working I'm open to discussing it. If you would like to apply for the first batch of new boards then I encourage you to make a quick draft but hold on to it until I make an announcement.
>How are you going to handle updating/fixing the site and downtime?
If the issue is not critical I will wait until slow hours to work on fixing anything. For anything that might cause noticeable downtime I will make an announcement at least a few hours ahead. Keep an eye on the news and /meta/. If it's urgent, I will make an announcement but it will be very short notice. I should look into making some kind of external display for them.
Feel free to ask any other questions/make suggestions in this thread, I will create another thread for identifying any bugs that may not have been caught in the testing period. This is my first time as an admin and I'd like to not fuck this up, so I'm counting on all of you to point out when something isn't working be it software or policy.
Admins! MODS! Fellow Cuntymen!! Lend me your...
Ah. Anyway, I throw myself to the benevolence of the MODS here.
I'd like to run a thread in /b/ just for fun.
I know that in other chans this has been a possible datascraping gambit by glownogs, but I'm not that.
I appreciate the bullshit you guys have to put up with, having deep involvement with both FChan and OChan, and while I also support keeping Anonymous boards Anonymous, there are times when individual thread Namefagging or even Tripfagging is desirable.
I assure you, I won't (intentionally, ) ever use the above namefagging in any other thread
Since there isn't a /ck/ board here,(not that this chan has a large enough base to warrant one,) I figured I'd post it in /b/
I wanted to clear it with you guys first, since I hold no real umbrage with a MOD enforcing the RULES by B&ing several of my posts, but I wanted to make sure we are all on the same page if you allow this thread.
I'm also well aware that there are bad actors that use bullshit arguments like Muh FreezePeach in order to try to shove boundaries that should be non-negotiable.
I won't do that.
You guys say NO, and I'll respect that.
..As always.. Mods drink for free, and the coffee's always hot and the beer's (almost,) always COLD
Just got a 10 day unappealable auto ban for "pedo". No idea what word even triggered it as I wasn't even attempting to discuss the subject. Here's a cap of the post for reference. Is some word here filtered? Or did I just get hit with a ban for something someone else did on the same VPN?
Can sturgeon deal with the newfaggot moderator and her recent false ban? My posts 15466 15467 on k were banned for outing the resident shitskin(yes he's an actual iranian sandnigger). This website is increasingly becoming more and more anti White. I hope this doesn't devolves into another *** situation.
The post contained a photo of mayar tousi and some other Iranian shitskin, will not post since xhe is watching.
I posted 4 SFW images in the micro-fetish thread that were deleted. It was 2 female faces and 2 shirtless male bodies, all with scars as my contribution to the subject of the thread. I know you guys don't like "fags" like me, but that was excessive, especially since recurring bestiality, nigger fetishization and loli are all permitted. I also find it weird as you have a sleeping gay porn star as a banner.....
So, I know you guys never answered my other question:
>>5150
but I'd like you to answer this one. I'm not going to cuck and accommodate your fragility over SFW images in a post that was on-topic to the thread. If you want me to leave since my preferences are so big an issue to you all, I will. You don't even have to ban me. Just let me know and I will respect your decision.
So what the hell is this now? ((( Hidden User ))) is going way too far with xher shiny banhammer toy. Get that nigger out ASAP.
The reporting captcha is broken, it is invalid no matter what I do unlike post captchas such as the one I filled while posting this.
The bug reporting thread is getting slow to load. Discuss issues with the new version here.
Add an I2P address pls.
I2P doesn't have some of the vulnerabilities of Tor (see Dread DDoS) and has better, more reliable performance for hidden services. Oh and it supports torrenting. In fact it's integrated to default I2P client, so unlike on Tor, fun is allowed. Finally, unlike Tor, it does not rely on centralized directory authorities. The network is truly decentralized. It makes for a different set of pros and cons. If nothing else, it's good for hedging your bets with Tor, but generally, I2P is just better for hidden service use. That's what it was designed for. Meanwhile Tor is first and foremost a proxy system to clearnet.
For website hosting, you can use i2pd which is a more performant C++ implementation without the bells and whistles.
Some chans that already have I2P support:
http://kohlchan.i2p/
http://kohlchanvn6vtsujobyw4pt5naaszmxqutd5hsdatmxfe2qaqhya.b32.i2p/
http://kelvinchan.i2p/
http://6s72dyf6jwlvk2u455lksvcs5r7deafc3iniwo5kp4ssm777noma.b32.i2p/
http://bitchan.i2p/
http://waycuw2c27ruakfblkf5tcegwmt3ot445dlfoypil6bzmm4yxg7a.b32.i2p/
As you can see, you have an option to have a domain name registered on some volunteer servers (they act more like address books to which people subscribe), but if you don't trust them, you don't have to.
Any chance to allow lossless music formats (such as flac and wav)? I'm sick of compressing everything to mp3
Please make an even worse captcha, thanks.
I brought this issue up in the /v/ gamergate thread and was told to repost it here. For reference, I'm >>>/v/26109.
To summarize, I wanted to know why minor shitposting was deleted in the gamergate thread even though other threads (like the first FPS general) had much more and much worse periods of shitposting/calling OP a faggot at the start.
The reply I got from Seagull (presumably; no capcode) was >>>/v/26199, which claimed that deleting bitching about the threads was not preferential treatment because these threads are allowed under the rules - even if the rules literally refer to them as "special" threads, and no other threads get scrubbed like that. Yes, I'm aware that the rules put ""special"" in quotations, which somewhat diminishes the strength of the word, but the fact remains that they are exceptions to rules like "effortless threads will be met with ridicule."
Seagull said to take the issue up with the BO, so here we are. I'm sure that the reply will be "stay mad faggot these threads are BASED and always allowed!" but I'm just going through the proper channels.
And before anyone tells me that this shouldn't come as a surprise, it's not the presence of gamergate threads that I'm specifically taking issue with (although I do maintain they are worthless and attract all kinds of non-vidya attention whores). My point is that if the gamergate threads are allowed to exist, they should exist on their own merits. If people want to spam dubs and shit them up - because there seems to be a tiny handful of people who actually post in them, many of whom are social media addicts and post elsewhere - then why shouldn't they? The board doesn't have a major problem with people doing that in other threads, so I don't see what the problem is. It's like a cultural immune response to a foreign object.
they banned the pedo board that was said to be the problem
Why are mods dismissing reports of blatant bot spam and CP posters ban evading with reasons such as "this is not what global reports are for" "abuse of global reports" when global rules clearly apply? Are these not global rules?
>2. Do not post child models, underage, "jailbait", social media posts of kids, etc.
>3. Do not spam, flood, (D)DoS, etc which may negatively impact site performance.
I spend my time doing the retarded fucking captcha for each and every one post I see spammed on /a/ /k/ /v/ and /b/ and you just gleefully dismiss all the reports in one go. Since both of these things are clearly allowed, I feel like I wasted my time trying to report them, I'm just gonna join the winning team and help them out reposting their shit whenever I see it, not like you can ban me anyway since I use Tor.
Admin, can you implement rss feeds so I don't need to visit the sites to view new posts? Sitewide or at least on /b/?
Would it be hard to increase the thread limit? I've seen imageboards with, like, 200 pages or something
Enable .zip or .7z or .rar or .tar.gz uploads (or all of the above). This is the third time now that I've wanted to share something but couldn't, and I can't be bothered to use a third party website.
Are you going to deal with the herdnigger spam on /b/ or will you let it become a mess beyond saving like you've done for the past months?
I've put in several global reports on their obvious and recognizable spam, and you dipshits haven't done anything about it besides leaving it up.
Do you consider zzz your home? Why do you stay here and not another place on the webring?
How many other boards on the webring do you regularly visit?
If you use tor, why come here at all instead of a tor only imageboard?
Do you think there are "better" chans for specific boards?
In terms of users/admin, what would you say is the differences between zzz, and say anoncafe?
Behold the new front page mascot and cute tank dork of the Zzzigger alliance that always should have been.
Is especially popular among the /b/ and /k/ crowd. So it's settled then.
....No I was serious, it's not fair that halfchan has Sachiko and 8Moe has the Jewcy Mark Mann.
IT'S TIME FOR FLUFF, 2023
The long awaited server migration is finally ready, I will outline the details here.
What's happening?
I am moving zzzchan to a new application server. This new server is better, cheaper, and has a 100% working jschan installation ready to go.
What has to be done?
I will have to take the site down for a bit in order to rsync files and a mongo backup into the new server. These will slot right in once the transfer is done. From there all I need to do is edit the site's DNS. I don't expect this process to take more than hour if everything goes well. The .onion service will be dormant through the whole process and switched over after the clearnet site is confirmed working on the new server.
When is this happening?
Current date is this tuesday evening but I've been sick since saturday. Watch the global announcements for any delays.
What if something goes wrong?
The current, soon to be old appserver will be at the ready to switch back to. Again global announcements will be used to announce if I have to switch back. I only see potential issues with updating DNS but thats only because its the only untested part of the process
What's changing with the switch?
A multitude of broken features will become functional, including:
- Live posting, even over TOR
- Tegaki
- All the other frontend scripts that have not been working.
The site's nginx configs have also been reworked completely for the new server, as has the backup process. We will be even more nuke resistant than before!