/liberty/ - Austro-Libertarianism

>>1123
>Except you have nothing objective granting those rules
You set the conditions for other people to use your property. That's what property is.

>You just have an arbitrary set of rules that everyone is supposed to get on board with.
Libertarians just want to be left alone, nobody is forcing you to go with them.

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>>149
>the webmaster should be allowed to dictate how you can access the site

>>1168
>the webmaster should be allowed to dictate how you can access the site
If you are so weak you get addicted to stupid shit like youtube then that is your problem, not mine and certainly not the government's.

>>13
Why do the biggest assholes use this phrase?

>>1206
Accidentally highlighted over my copypasta. This phrase:
>just really curious

Do regulations ever REALLY get enforced?
>You have to go through a 28 year apprenticeship to become licensed to be a plumber.
O.k., you do the work yourself, and then throw a $20 to the only 90 year old clueless plumber in the area to sign off on a legal form by having him do something way simpler and don't tell him you did the other work.
>Nobody can exhale any air.
O.k., everybody takes an airplane ride to China whenever they need to exhale.
>Add a 1520% tariff.
O.k., the product goes through New Timor Guaminian Islands to get relabeled, and then that doesn't have the tariff there because we can classify refrigerators as a "human edible product."
>Ban carcinogenic mega-aids virus flavoring agent.
O.k., we'll just sell it as a separate seasoning packet.
>90% income tax on billionaires
O.k., but we don't make any income because we borrow against our income.

I know I love my hyperbole, but where I work is basically doing the tariff example. I've had to help my father do some electrical work and did that to get around state licensure restrictions that stopped him from working on his own property. Whenever I hear about some onerous regulation, it seems like it never actually does or stops anything, all it ever does is just shuffle around where or when it gets done at best. Regulations just feel like

https://youtu.be/HchNA3a9L5E?si=Jml-3KqvnZAg2Q0t
What a confusing, tired, and terrible response to wtfhappenedin1971.com . It reads like the FED got scared of that website and paid of a Youtuber to give the tired, "Ackshually, more government intervention is needed" answer.

>>1330
Now that I think about it, it seems more likely that it's a poor, poor attempt at trying to keep gold prices from blowing up and destroying confidence in the entire system.

Will we ever get an actual audit of the Fed in our lifetime?

>>1338
I really think them repeatedly screaming about the mere possibility of being audited is better for the cause of liberty than if they were audited. C.f., the Pentagon failing their audits every year and nobody batting an eye.

The fact that they dig their heels over the most basic and elementary of oversight and even have the audacity to claim that it somehow harms their "independence" (who really believes they're independent?), tells you all you need to know.

>>1319 (OP) 
Populism has too much emphasis right now. If Trump doesn't get his head out of Israel's ass soon and starts shit with Iran, then I could see another Libertarian upswing.

>>1320
Only Boomers support Israel.

>>1321
Tell that to everyone else who voted Trump in. Whether they support Israel or not, a vote for Trump was a vote for Israel. I just think that an escalation with Iran with bring out the antiwar crowd which has large numbers on both the right and left, which could bring another resurgence in Libertarianism that we haven't seen since Iraq/Afghaniatan fiasco.

>>1323
It looks like all age groups trending together except on housing, Canada, and Trump. A weird trio, but our timeline has really been off the rails since the Kennedy assassination.

>>759
They might have said it should be illegal to stab someone not watch someone be stabbed. 
>>1329
Not him but cops are all mentally ill anyway; they just don't have mental disorders. *taps head* Big difference there. You can be ill and still make and or be part of order. They are all sociopathic, violent, judgemental, weirdos  that nobody liked in k-12 except for other weirdos just like them that planned to be bullies for hire. Bullies hate dweebs so of course they hammer strange geek places online up the ass.  Would they break the law while upholding it? Very untouchables, they always did that. They speed to catch a speeder. They post cp to catch a pedo. They kill to kill a killer. It is their mode of operation. Nobody catches a criminal without thinking like one. It's why they profile the same as the mafia.

also why the mafia had 'muder incoroporated'. Mafia killing mafia.

>>1329
>Occam's Razor here makes me think it's the feds.
ITT we don't understand Occam's Razor.

>>759
>old Usenet cryptoanarchist posts
How old?
>I wonder how those visionaries would've responded.
Bringing that up because at the height of ye olde newsgroup days there were still jurisdictions where even overtly publishing such things in print and video existed in a legal gray area or was not being prosecuted. Those old visionaries probably assumed that would remain the case and they would have the option of hosting in such places without having to worry about potential legal repercussions from false flag attacks.

>>1335
>jurisdictions where even overtly publishing such things in print and video existed in a legal gray area or was not being prosecuted.
The cyphernomicon book would've been banned in some jurisdictions in the 90s?

>>1300
I'd love to refute you, but I've never been to Joe Rogan's studio.

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How do U.S. libertarians cope with the fact that since most of them have been born, things have gotten worse, and it looks like it's going to get worse. I mean, people simply vote for what give them more bennies:
https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/5163193-trump-voters-oppose-medicaid-cuts-poll/
71% don't want to cut stuff that...essentially has to be cut. I mean it's so bad that:
- Debt:GDP is well past 100%.
- Deficit:GDP is scarily high, too.
- You could tax the 1% to the hilt, have wealth taxes, cut the ENTIRE defense department; and it wouldn't move the goddam needle.
Like this isn't even a libertarian thing, this is basic accounting at this point. 2/3, TWO THIRDS of the federal budget is social security, medicare, medicaid, pensions, and interest.
I don't see a way out of this. There's no way that's getting voted out. Boomers aren't going to vote against social security, medicare, and medicaid. Hyperinflationary destruction of the U.S. is absolutely 100% inevitable, and it will be the boomers who did it. How do any of you have any hope? Why isn't everyone buying the fuck out of gold and getting the hell out of everything else? Why aren't there more suicides out of despair? What the fuck is going on?

>>1315
Because libertarians are never really in positions of power. Most Libertarian candidates that run are not libertarian such as Gary Johnson. There are fewer than five in all of Congress. Libertarianism is more of an academic field of inquiry rather than a political one.

>>1315
political ideologies continue until the money runs out...

>>1288
>I think that libertarian's dogged defense of open borders has been disastrous for the movement
Which libertarians support open borders? I can't even think of any. Walter Block, the jew who got kicked out of the mises institute for being a zionist shill?

Open borders is an inherently left wing/egalitarian principle because it is rooted in the fallacy that nobody truly owns government property therefor there is no such thing as trespassing on unowned property.

Anybody with a brain understands that government property is owned by the people who were forced to pay for it.

>the people that are being imported to our lands will never have any interest in liberty
This is 100% correct. US libertarians don't realize how anti-libertarian the rest of the world is. If you import 1 million muslims or africans into your small town they will not just leave you alone and respect your property rights.

>>1300
>Smith wasn't able to defend his own position without looking like a buffoon as always.
What did he fail to defend exactly? The only thing Murray did was spend 3 hours crying about "your not a expert" and "youve never been there!!1". Smith's position that our government shouldn't be stealing our money and using it to bomb children on the otherside of the world is objectively correct.

>>1194
>>Is barter superior to currency?
there was never a barter economy, it's a myth pushed by economics textbooks.
people just kept debts and favours because they generally traded goods within the context of their own trusted and smallish clan/tribe sized networks

do any of you know much about the seizure of gold in america mentioned in the money masters documentary? they stuck the gold in fort knox but its not there any more or something, it was early to mid 20th centuyt from what I remember of it

>>1312
I don't remember if I watched that documentary, but I have been seeing more articles inquiring if the amount of gold in Fort Knox and other areas throughout the US is still there. Recently, Germany wanted the rest of their gold back from the New York Fed, citing trust issues. One could only imagine what those trust issues are.

>>1312
Are you sure you're not confusing it with Executive Orders 6102 and 6814?

>>1314
I have no idea, I watched the money masters doc a few years ago and there was some part that talked about americans having to submit their gold then questions over how much of the gold had been stolen from fort know

>>1309 (OP) 
>Accelerates as people who held on only because others held on commit suicide.
That's when this prediction falls apart. If anything more people will hold out on the hopes of others killing themselves.

>>1309 (OP) 
>Governments try vainly to stop it to prop labor supply up.
Oh no muh labor supply. Labor is so irrelevant to the western economy that nobody is even lobbying against higher minimum wages. Try reading an economics book from this century.

>>1266
>big line goes down
>big infographic goes red
and many p/e ratios are still crazy

>>1271
He should be extra trolly and call it "The Second Boston Tea Party."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l61nO1LQ3Hg

One thing that the tariffs have made apparent to me is how protectionist tariffs never actually went away. It just got hidden in regulatory compliance and fines, and that’s a perfectly O.K. form of tariff by the literati, and nobody ever talks about them.

>>1248
I like the early 2000s as much as anyone else but Ron Paul's peak was objectively around the late 2000s. That was his run for president.

>>1274
O.k., it should say:
>The early 2000s when there were a shitton of libertarians on the internet and it felt like by late 2000s Ron Paul and the Mises Institute were king. 
Does that correction really mean that much? What's your point?

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>>1263
It would be great to see it more active again. I have always thought that a decentralized monarchy with a feudal structure, mixed with some Distributism and a dash of Georgism, would be a nice flavor.

>>1279
If we were going to make a zzz/monarchy/ might want to do so quick seeing as cuckchanners are infesting moe due to the recent hack. Make a /his/ while you're at it too please!

>>1302
Probably more fruitful to ask here: >>>/meta/137