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>>149
>the webmaster should be allowed to dictate how you can access the site
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>>1168
>the webmaster should be allowed to dictate how you can access the site
If you are so weak you get addicted to stupid shit like youtube then that is your problem, not mine and certainly not the government's.
>>13
Why do the biggest assholes use this phrase?
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>>1206
Accidentally highlighted over my copypasta. This phrase:
>just really curious
Make sure to buy Monero to help against 51% attack pls thx

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Are you ready for muh soggy knees, /liberty/?

Are women less likely to be libertarians because:
>Of "empathy blocking."
E.g., due to sexual diphormism differences in the human brain, female brains have a larger limbic system, causing certain logical conclusions to be less likely to reach them.  The slightly more positive way of phrasing this is "Females are so empathetic [that it blocks their cognition]."
>They are less likely to suffer the consequences of their actions.
Women are able to escape living conditions caused by policies they support either by marrying up, or otherwise using their overall cultural appreciation to make their decisions seem less bad to them on the margin.
>Both.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNKIjLLZMWs
>Women actually admire totalitarianism because they admire those traits sexually, and this manifests in the kind of government they likewise support.
Alternatively, "Because men are weaker today, they look to government to be their strong man."
>They don't have the centuries of cultural tradition that men have.
In the scope of human history, women have only received suffrage relatively recently, and therefore have been making poor decisions because cultu
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>>1621
Look up "male prenatal apoptosis" or "defeault female brain". Basically, at the end of the first trimester, male babies get a rush of hormones that kills a lot of the brain development up to that point, and encourages different development. Up to that point, the brain is largely limbic system, matching the evolutionary theory of brain development.
Some examples if you search those keywords:
https://archive.is/H7cn9
https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/Apoptosis-during-sexual-differentiation-of-the-bed-Chung-Swaab/d8a6b000d3f2dfdc7cb93a17008c8ccdd77d0a61
You'll find a lot more of the direct studies with rat (or many other animals, since it happens across a lot of the animal kingdom) research papers, since ethics boards don't let scientist cut up a first trimester fetus--yet.
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>>1623
>women have a larger limbic system but also their brains are 33 percent smaller than a male's 
>imbic system being larger means more empathy
>less brains means dumber
This is making way too much sense.
>Give women the right to vote
>Immediately legalize killing their own children.
>Immediately legalize their dark romance immigrant rape fantasies.
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>>1631
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhyTtUcujQc
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>>1631
>>1632
Yes, but not really through voting anymore, at the start yes, but voting is meaningless at this point.

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I keep reading articles about how this is greed/capitalism that's been making products worse with no regard for how bad the regulatory environment has been getting and how AFAIK it's regulations 90% of the time causing this. There is some truth to "greed causing it", because usually the regulation is being paid for by lobbyists working for big corpos, but still, the story of how regulations are pushing this is being completely ignored. I feel this is important because when I find people saying that proper government regulation will be our 'savior' for this problem, well if you think regulations caused it in the first place, then obviously it's kind of missing the mark.
So, I'm just going to make this thread to point out a case in which products have gotten shittier, and which regulation/subsidy caused that. I'll probably make a single post and leave, but I'll do this out of the hope that I actually stick around.
However, likewise, if there are individual solutions to these problems, please post them here. I made a similar thread in >>>/tech/19084 , but it seemed relevant here, too.
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>>1624
It really is as simple as removing the regulations that made it happen.
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>>1625
To spell it out:
Remove the CAFE regulations and let people import Kei trucks
Remove the car "safety" regulations and let Brazilian cars to compete with domestic nonsense.
Remove the IWF regulations and let people import foreign washers.
Remove the '92 statute limitations on showers and toilets, and let people import Canadian toilets.
Remove the AIM act that's going to enshittify A/C in the next few years that everyone's going to blame on capitalism AGAIN.
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>>1626
That'd be a good start, but you know that if a product is made too well the man that made it only gets paid once so it's really going to have to be a case of make it urself, true indendence, or get rid of money all together and not be motivated by getting paid, of which is unrealistic, both of those are. If too many people try to be a car builder then it becomes too saturated to be worth doing even once otherwise so you must have people making their own vehicles. That'd be cool actually. I fucking hate how soulless our machines are. Row of houses that are all the same and no one seems to care.
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>>1624
Make shittification impossible, unprofitable and shamable.

We can't dislike any product ads and companies will sue you to oblivion if you say the truth, make it so they can be responsible for doing shit and can't talk back to consumers.
If I buy a coffee that is cold and the cup has a hole on the bottom I should have the right to say that to everyone.
Look what happened when a Chinese company delivered something cheaper and better than an iPhone, they voted Huawei out of the country. A free market would let them take over or make Apple step up.

If the free market is even freer a shit company would break, but now they get funds from investors just to keep pushing shit or go ask for help from daddy state.
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>>1628
>if a product is made too well the man that made it only gets paid once
That's not what's going on. Companies realize that if their competitor makes a product too well, they'll only get paid once. Thus the lobbying.
One thing I despise about anticapitalist logic is how easily it's defeated by, "Why is it different now?" It's like you guys act like capitalism and greed hasn't been happening for centuries, and only now it is different. It reminds me of all the arguments that the 2008 crisis was caused by greed. Why don't cars last a single year before comically falling into pieces, then? Because of competition.
>>1629
>We can't dislike any product ads and companies will sue you to oblivion if you say the truth
It's interesting because some old car commercials used to do that, and they used to call out each other's shit. Then lawfare got involves, like you said.

Every TV/Newspaper/Online newspaper is politicized or controlled by governments and agencies, so where am I supposed to inform myself on current World events? Is there a bunch of schizos in some basement producing good quality, non-politicized news?
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It’s all unknown known. Look within.
https://rumble.com/v35waq4-rt-news-livestream-247.html
It depends on the subject, for example I read cannabis and other drug-related news from marijuanamoment, gambling regulations news from iGB, et cetera.

Otherwise I just check Wikipedia's current events portal for relevant happenings worldwide.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Current_events
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>>1596
I also love the theory under Wikipedia, but it's runt by leftists mostly, nowadays. Some articles are blatant propaganda. There's no neutral point as they would like it to be.
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>>1617
Wikipedia is perfectly fine ... if you directly check the firsthand sources at the bottom. If the firsthand sources say six gorillion jews got turned into soap bars despite less than one million changed from two decades in zero source sources, then you infer that the first and secondhand sources lied. Simple inferences.

Why did libertarianism die so fucking hard since '08?
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>>1607
Having a hierarchal power structure is antithetical to libertarianism and slavery and wages and relgiion all go hand in hand. Only a fool would question this. It's not natural as we were hunters and gatherers for the majority of our existence and so this goes against our psychology, the ones that have automomous thought patterns and that can reflect anyway, the 50 to 30 percent with internal dialogs.
*autonomous 
*religion
>>1607
>The government was simultaneously operated by all three forms of government (monarchy, aristocracy, and democracy) as represented by their king, the house of lords, and the house of commons. For whatever reason, having all three function at once stopped any form from grasping full control. And it is almost like the negatives cancelled each other out, and so the nation got to enjoy the benefits of the positives of each form of government.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separation_of_powers
I don't know if you typed all that instead of just saying "we used to have a proper separation of powers" because you found most people encounter it as a novel concept so you're trying to speak to the lowest common denominator, or because this isn't being taught in schools anymore.
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>>1606
Man, this post can be aggressively summarized. Let me do that.
>I agree. I would say that people realized that libertarianism, or freedom and liberty in general, can only exist as an in-group standard, but attempting to apply it as a universal standard can only lead to bad things. And I think a lot of anons realized there needs to be some form of power structure to support and protect it which is why to drifted into authoritarian ideologies (socialism, fascism, neo-liberalism, monarchism etc.) 
Only white men support libertarianism. So you need to stop immigration and/or enforce emigration and/or stop females from voting. So that made some people authoritarian.
>And I don't think they are completely wrong. Here is an observation I made recently in thinking about England, old England, which was respected by all the other European nations for its standards of liberty, rights, and freedom. So, the question I asked myself is why did it exists. From what I could see, if the England had a government/political structure that stopped centralization. The government was simultaneously operated by all three forms of government (monarchy, aristocracy, and democracy) as represented by their king, the house of lords, and the house of commons. For whatever reason, having all three function at once stopped any form from grasping full control. And it is almos
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>>1613
I could have used separation of power, but these days, it basically means "I want your side to have no power, even when it should, and my side to have all the power, even when it shouldnt". It like how separation of church and state essentially means "there should be no church, and everything should be controlled by the state". So, I just have to write like I am introducing new concepts so there can be no confusion.

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General thread for board activity.

I'll start.  I found out about a private security firm in Zimbabwe that...has blatant Ancap imagery.
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It is as if the E.U. and the U.K. are handing their publishing industry over to the U.S. on a sliver platter at this point.
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Are there any libertarian spaces online that aren't fedded to hell, where one can discusses the finer points of liberty? there genuinely seems to be no good forums, discord servers, or imageboards of people who still believe in libertarianism, that arent atleast completely dead like this place.

On that same note, i think we should aggressively shill this board to online political spaces.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4Upf_B9RLQ
I bet you they're going to blame everything on monopolies, and not the regulations incentivizing massive centralization and enshittification.
https://storage02.forbrukerradet.no/media/2026/02/breaking-free-pathways-to-a-fair-technological-future.pdf
I fucking called it.
Nothing about the digital dots and registration requirement laws for printers that make them shitty.
Nothing about the water conservation laws that make washing machines and dishwashers have bullshit control boards and wifi to work.
Nothing about the new safety regs on cars (c.f. the automatic driving regs in the states) that make it so every car HAS to have an enormous amount of software on them. Or how they all HAVE to have remote stop capabilities.
Nothing about all the data privacy laws that require ridiculous customer data retention.
Nothing about the mere talk of age verification laws that have recently made every online site even shittier and REQUIRE logins.
ZERO TALK about that.
It's ALWAYS ONLY capitalism's fault.
They NEVER see the government's hand in this. They can't even know that this POV exists!
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Did the spoils system help limit the size of government? The thought process is if the spoils system is in place, then the next party can potentially wholesale eliminate/not staff entire agencies whereas in the Pendleton system they're from the public away from differing party opinions as an entrenched and protected bureaucratic class.
E.g., if the Spoils system existed, would DOGE've been able to eliminate more of the payroll? If the answer is that it could've gone in both directions, then would we have less payroll and bureaucrats simply because of the short-term, tenuous natures of their jobs?
>>1595
>Are there any libertarian spaces online that aren't fedded to hell, where one can discusses the finer points of liberty? there genuinely seems to be no good forums, discord servers, or imageboards of people who still believe in libertarianism, that arent atleast completely dead like this place.
I legitimately believe this is it. This dead board is all we have left.

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We'll see if that holds up.
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sure he does...
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>>1013
Yeah he doesn't
>>1013
I saw someone post this elsewhere like a week or two ago and thought it was a joke. Checked his website and had a good, long laugh. Hilarious to see WN dogwhistles in marketing.
>>1011 (OP) 
This didn't age well.
>JD Vance
literally who
>cellphone screenshot (of twitter?)
>bumping the news from 2024
homosexuality

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Why target Charlie Kirk, of all people? How could anybody feel remotely threatened by this guy? Were his debating skillz really that good? It just doesn't make any sense. I feel as though I am living in an alternative reality, that diverged from coherency sometime during or after the 2016 election. Or maybe, this has all been a fever dream. It just doesn't feel real, guys.
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>>1496
>>1495
Lighting
ya retard
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>>1497
Yet none of the white cops turn black dumbfuck
OMG HE GOT SHOT WHILE DEFENDING THE 2ND AMENDMENT.
>>1487 (OP) 
He's a Martin Luther King figure.
They made him to be a sacrifice. The problem is he started to go outside his programming and question certain "truths" so they may have pushed forward his martyrdom.

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Worldwide Drug Legalization is not happening, Austrian economics and Chicago school economics have been a massive waste of time. You're all bullshitting yourselves, it's been more than 50 years, free market economics cannot get through government policies or influence them. 
A "libertarian" NGO protesting every once in 5-10 years will never accomplish anything. Social conservative retardation continues with the anti-drug fearmongering. Nothing is doable, this state tyranny will continue until the world ends and no amount of voting, protesting, rioting will change it. 
There isn't even anyone to riot about it because the propaganda runs so deep into making what has been a relationship between humans and drugs for thousands of years into a taboo that any effort to push for change is either immediately opposed by the majority of the population (usually angry statist religious retards) or is eventually recriminalized and never protected by a constitutional law (like the case in Thailand). 

No amount of effort can put an end to these draconian laws or make society less retarded enough to know legalizing drugs won't destroy civilization. As long as democracy exists retardation will prevail and as long as states exist so will this repression. Worldwide market liberalization is a distant pipe dream, state repressions are a fact and they will remain as long as they see it fit to persecute drug users and dealers, ultimately this black market they create is also intertwined with th
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>Electing a politician will never give you freedom
...but like...isn't it pretty clear in Milei's case that Argentina is WAY more free and prosperous than what was happening before? Isn't there some qote from Rothbard talking about how if you have two bills you have to choose between, you choose the one that gives more liberty?
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>>1455
As long as the state exists there can be no freedom.
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>>1464
O....k.....? Are we talking about the same thing anymore? Why is your response a response to what I said?
>>1448 (OP) 
id be inclined to agree, thats why im influenced by vanguardists
>>1448 (OP) 
2 words: neurotechnology.

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I see libertarian sentiment slowly making a comeback while this culture war has been going on and reactionaries have routinely disappointed people by either going way too far or just being obvious grifts. The Mises people (Institute, not Caucus) are still going strong. This all has shades of the Paleo Strategy, which Murray Rothbard and Lew Rockwell would regret soon after the paleocons had irreconcilable differences with them and compromised on far too much.
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>>727
>did you read it?
No why would I read something that's more than 10 lines.

>libertarians can learn a lot from traditionalists something something theocracy
No. On the surface traditional values like family first, gender roles etc. are superior to progressive values like everyone should be a gay trans feminist. But then the jesusfags start talking about demons and nephilim and muh prophecy and everything-I-don't-like-is-satanism and you realize they are just as mentally ill and detached from reality as the rainbow cult.

In my mind they are equivalent at this point. If you want to cut off your dick and pretend you're a woman then go ahead. If you want to worship your childish sky daddy then go ahead. Either we work together on the principles of liberty and then you fuck off. Or you skip straight to fucking off part now. Either way I don't give a fuck about your so called "culture".

I do like your picrel though
>>702 (OP) 
The libertarian to fascist pipeline was just a psyop to get libertarians back into statism.
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"Libertarian/Fascist pipeline" was a crazy idea from the start.
>>702 (OP) 
While I've heard of the Libertarian to Fascist pipeline I've definitely heard of the Libertarian to Monarchist pipeline
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>>1562
While I've *never* heard of the Libertarian to Fascist pipeline I've definitely heard of the Libertarian to Monarchist pipeline. 
Made a mistake my bad

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