New Thread[×]
Name
Email
Subject
Message
Files Max 5 files32MB total
Tegaki
Password
Captcha*Select the solid/filled icons
[New Thread]


preppers.PNG
[Hide] (612.7KB, 633x475)
Say that WWIII happens, humanity somehow survives, and the only humans who survived were...the crazy American preppers who are insanely anti-government, extremely paranoid, and have insane amounts of supplies and guns.

What would that post-apocalyptic society look like?

1702213074803.jpg
[Hide] (39.5KB, 705x540)
62 replies and 14 files omitted. View the full thread
>>1385
There was this Econtalk ep recently about how EU powers are trying to make U.S. political parties like EU ones, where the right are statist with an anti-immigration corporatist bent, and the left are statist with a pro-immigration government bent; so that way they can COMPLETELY eliminate any libertarian ideology from the system.
Lot of shitty economics in that ep, but I thought that segment was interesting.
https://www.econtalk.org/two-cheers-for-libertarianism-and-econ-101-with-noah-smith/ fwiw
Replies: >>1409
9497844f7696d66f51e21570b2c7f31e80078bf061ee5ed01f6fe4382058e6f0_1-2235510970.jpg
[Hide] (85.8KB, 1080x1099)
>>1408
>the right are statist with an anti-immigration corporatist bent
>the left are statist with a pro-immigration government bent
>that way they can COMPLETELY eliminate any libertarian ideology from the system.
No combination of these things is "libertarian". 

>anti-immigration
Government arbitrarily setting rules for who can and can't enter/leave the country is not libertarian.

>pro-immigration
Government shipping in 3rd world migrants and using tax money to give them free food and housing and refusing to act when they commit crimes is also not libertarian.

>corporatist
Government giving special privileges and bailouts to favorite corporations is not libertarian.

Message too long. View the full text
Replies: >>1410
>>1409
Everything you said is exactly what 99% of the normies believes is libertarian. So, good luck with changing that public perception.
Replies: >>1414
>>1410
>Everything you said is exactly what 99% of the normies believes is libertarian.
Normies tend to think that libertarianism means anything for profit and corpos and "the economy" but that's just them projecting their own greed and lack of principles onto us. Leftists are obsessed with money for the same reason hungry people are obsessed with food.

If we could get normies to understand that libertarianism means the government is not your mommy and you need to take responsibility for your own actions then that would actually be a huge step forward.
>>558
DC is a foreign country to the dejure America I wouldn't set foot withing those 10 square miles.

513VSKN2HBL.jpg
[Hide] (35.9KB, 333x500)
How is this as an intro?
Replies: >>1401 >>1404 >>1412
>>776 (OP) 
I don't know I haven't read it.
>>776 (OP) 
In my experience, people don't get logically introduced into libertarianism. They just have experiences with how terrible government is.

Case in point, most hardcore libertarians I know are people who've been working in government with no promotion for like >10 years.
>>776 (OP) 
I recommend Konkin's New Libertarian Manifesto given that it is much shorter.

c77a8e7251835df356e240bf9e419fc12403f4ab94ae64807247e12b74025a3d.jpg
[Hide] (434.3KB, 1600x1067)
dd0962b455a21d0ab329317f51ca2c4294c61ebea0c157808a201b450fc1d688.jpg
[Hide] (1.4MB, 2000x2000)
8b749f76c8d85846800c2d0982ed0db7b74ca91d36da9e9a648bf9ab6e6a9c71.jpg
[Hide] (394.9KB, 1920x1200)
What is /liberty/'s ideal currency? Is it gold, silver, or perhaps something else all together? What does /liberty/ think of 1930's germany tying their money to labor? Is barter superior to currency?
71 replies and 22 files omitted. View the full thread
>>1347
Also, I think there's a thread on /finance/ in the webring you should look at.
Replies: >>1393
>>1311
>people just kept debts and favours because they generally traded goods within the context of their own trusted and smallish clan/tribe sized networks
Yes I've read Graeber too. So what did people repay their debts with? I give you an egg today and you give me milk next week? That's just barter with extra steps my dude.

>>1347
>When should I start buying gold and silver?
Fiat is only going to get more and more worthless. It's like falling out of a plane and saying when should I open my parachute.

>>1348
>just get more stocks instead.
The stock market is as fake and rigged as the money supply. If you have inside connects then sure, otherwise you're just another chump spinning the roulette wheel.

>>1349
>a thread on /finance/ in the webring
They have a shitty captcha which prevents Tor posting.
Replies: >>1395
>>1393
>The stock market is as fake and rigged as the money supply.
At least it's less gay and rigged than C.D., bonds, and monopoly money by at least being linked to a business.
Also, ffs, I didn't say you shouldn't buy gold. You want to complain so much you can't even see what we agree on. But then again, that's kind of par for the course for us libertarians. Try and be positive and say what you do.
>They have a shitty captcha which prevents Tor posting.
Fair enough. What chans are left for the Torposters, anyways? Must be very few places you can even be on anymore.
Replies: >>1397
63d5fe4748d3b935bc3d0958a4f4eed58267ed51fcea9fb5f013700a247e95e9.jpg
[Hide] (72KB, 598x549)
>>1395
>At least it's less gay and rigged by at least being linked to a business.
But there are many businesses that don't make money and provide no value to anybody and they only exist because of investor hype and government subsidies. How many entertainment companies should be dead and buried but aren't because they put a rainbow flag in their shitty game nobody plays and blackrock gave them 6 gozillian dollars for it.

I don't think this is an environment where you can effectively judge investments on business merit.

On the other hand Tom Woods just put out an episode shilling some options trading process he has been following and claims to be making $3k per week with it so who knows.

>I didn't say you shouldn't buy gold
Well you said gold is only useful in a doomsday situation. I disagree with that, it is a way of storing wealth long term without getting fucked by inflation. This >>693 holds for other stuff too like cows have been valued at around 1oz of gold for 100s of years.

>But then again, that's kind of par for the course for us libertarians. Try and be positive
Fuck you commie I'm the only _real_ libertarian here.
Replies: >>1405
>>1397
>Fuck you commie I'm the only _real_ libertarian here.
You're supposed to crash out with "You're all a bunch of socialists!" and ragequit.

24f71517e459e8c7992da6b30e01e1dcb5aa1d975dcff24de17781fd5e04de0c.png
[Hide] (472.9KB, 576x576)
I'm just curious how anyone here could make the case that the US was ever freer than ancient rome especially when looking at the USA. Having local laws on top of federal laws just leads to tyranny as a lot of local laws end up contradicting or eradicating constitutional rights (which are supposed to be guaranteed). In ancient rome, you could believe what you wanted to believe as long as it wasn't disruptive/destructive to society. America from the very onset did not allow you to believe what you wanted to believe. All US states had a law against homosexuality at one point and if your religious views allowed sodomy, then you have been stripped of your supposed right of religious freedom. The US has never been a free country and modern day America is proof of how much of a failure it is at being a free country. State laws being piled on top of federal laws only makes it so that people are always committing crimes even if those crimes are totally harmless. People should not have to look into laws from county to county and state to state just to see what they are allowed to do
10 replies and 2 files omitted. View the full thread
Replies: >>1383 + 3 earlier
>>251
>Local states have done virtually nothing against the federal government infringing on their rights in America.
Drugs, abortion, guns, pick one. Any combination of issues has been pushed at the federal level and resisted by some state or another.

>None of the "distributed power structures" have done anything significant against the federal government 
Not since the civil war no.

>The federal government has ultimate authority of what is allowed to happen state to state
Yes but your influence on the federal government is microscopic. The president can do whatever he wants with executive orders but the chance of you being president are the same as you shitting a unicorn egg.

>Modern day America is tyrannical and you'd still have to do something to this affect to make any meaningful difference.
You just need a state to succeed from the union without triggering another civil war. Texas seems to be the most likely.
https://mises.org/library/common-sense-case-independent-texas

>>252
Message too long. View the full text
Replies: >>259
>>253
>Everything in the US is taxed, such that the lowest tax you'll pay is 60%.
The modern state doesn't live on taxes. They print money through the central bank and just give it to themselves. The point of taxes is to control inflation by removing the excess money from the economy after the important people have already spent it.

>Ancient Rome before the collapse had a tax of 1 day's work out of the entire year.
I don't know much about ancient rome but I'm pretty sure they debased their currency to the point of worthlessness at some point near the end.
>>257
>The president can do whatever he wants with executive orders but the chance of you being president are the same as you shitting a unicorn egg.
Authoritarians always assume that "their guy" will be in charge. You'd be a fucking retard if you helped build a totalitarian superstate if you thought there was any chance that some violent psychopath could take it over and use it against you.
Replies: >>1377
>>259
You're an idiot lol
>>234 (OP) 
The fundamental principle of liberty is the limitation of government. The state, when it exceeds its proper function, becomes a force of oppression rather than a protector of freedom. The United States, despite its foundation on constitutional rights, has drifted towards interventionism, where laws, layered by federal and local governments, shackle individuals rather than safeguard their liberties.

Rome, in its republican and early imperial periods, operated under a legal framework where personal beliefs were not regulated unless they threatened public order. Compare this with the United States, where laws have been historically weaponized against certain personal freedoms, contradicting the very essence of liberalism.

True liberty requires a system where property rights and voluntary exchange are respected above all else. Government should not dictate morality, nor should legal codes contradict one another to entrap individuals in a maze of bureaucratic tyranny. If the states contradict the federal principles of freedom, the system is flawed, as arbitrary governance undermines the fundamental principles of classical liberalism.

Screenshot_20250110_153810.png
[Hide] (269.7KB, 1920x1080)
>You didn't build that.
4 replies omitted. View the full thread
Replies: >>1364
>>1159 (OP) 
In the grand arena where minds collide,  
The libertarian stood, filled with pride.  
Freedom his banner, markets his sword—  
Against the fascist, his voice roared.  

But the fascist, cold and sharp as steel,  
Spun his rhetoric with ruthless zeal.  
Facts like shackles, tightened tight,  
His opponent faltered in the fight.  

Words turned weapons, logic a trap,  
The libertarian stammered, caught in the gap.  
His ankles grabbed, his cheeks were clapped,  
A brutal defeat, his pride untapped.
Message too long. View the full text
Replies: >>1365
>>1364
idk, sounds kinda Jewish.
In the context of India's linguistic diversity, how might a libertarian approach to language policy fare against a fascist, centralized language policy? Would the freedom to choose one's language of instruction, administration, and communication prevail, or would a forced, unified language policy dominate?
Replies: >>1368 >>1369
William-S-Burroughs.jpg
[Hide] (59KB, 400x564)
>>1367
Well now, step right up, see the grand parade of tongues—libertarian whispers crawling through the streets like stray dogs, and the fascist boot stamping out syllables like cigarettes on a bar floor. India, a seething linguistic jungle, where words twist like opium smoke and histories collide in the bloodstained bureaucratic ink.

Libertarian language policy? A roulette wheel spun by the people, words loose, free to evolve like gutter slang or highborn verse. Choose your own dialect, script, sound—no central master puppeteering their tongues. It’s chaos, sure, but there’s rhythm to it, a jazz band of a thousand voices riffing off history.

Now, the fascist—oh, he loves a tidy narrative. He wants a singular tongue, disciplined and marching in lockstep, a tongue that cuts and flays and binds a nation in syllabic chains. Efficiency, he whispers, unity, strength—but what’s unity without friction? What’s strength without resistance? A dull blade.

The battle? It rages beneath flickering neon signs and ancient temple stones. Will the street slang win out, soaking into the bones of a billion souls, or will the bureaucratic hammer mold them into a singular steel mold? The verdict’s still out, baby. History’s watching, smoking a cigarette in the alleyway, waiting to see which way the dice roll.
Replies: >>1369
>>1367
>>1368
Stop ChatGPTposting

dont-jump-jump.gif
[Hide] (210.2KB, 220x165)
>Cost of living crisis hits its stride
>Continues for another decade.
>Youth milestones for billions "on hold."
>No family formation, no household ownership, no roommateless apartments, no independent living, jobs cover staples and nothing else.
>Many continue out of hope of "Will get promoted" or literally winning the lottery.
>Economic Depression hits.
>Hundreds of millions across the world lose their employment.
>Suicide rate increases slightly.
>People see the trends, and hopelessness increases exponentially.
>Accelerates as people who held on only because others held on commit suicide.
>A literal death spiral emerges.
>One day someone snaps, and suggests a mass suicide day.
>Governments try vainly to stop it to prop labor supply up.
>You could never stop it.
>Hundreds of millions off themselves on a single day.
Message too long. View the full text
Replies: >>1310 >>1325
>>1309 (OP) 
>Accelerates as people who held on only because others held on commit suicide.
That's when this prediction falls apart. If anything more people will hold out on the hopes of others killing themselves.
>>1309 (OP) 
>Governments try vainly to stop it to prop labor supply up.
Oh no muh labor supply. Labor is so irrelevant to the western economy that nobody is even lobbying against higher minimum wages. Try reading an economics book from this century.

yaaaymoretaxesyaaay.png
[Hide] (1.8MB, 1485x832)
Smoot-Hawley 2.0: Electric Boogaloo?
1 reply and 1 file omitted. View the full thread
>>1266
>big line goes down
>big infographic goes red
and many p/e ratios are still crazy
goodluckpresidnttrumpu.png
[Hide] (1.1MB, 660x867)
Replies: >>1273
>>1271
He should be extra trolly and call it "The Second Boston Tea Party."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l61nO1LQ3Hg
One thing that the tariffs have made apparent to me is how protectionist tariffs never actually went away. It just got hidden in regulatory compliance and fines, and that’s a perfectly O.K. form of tariff by the literati, and nobody ever talks about them.

Why did libertarianism die so fucking hard since '08?
124 replies and 20 files omitted. View the full thread
>>1248
I like the early 2000s as much as anyone else but Ron Paul's peak was objectively around the late 2000s. That was his run for president.
Replies: >>1275
>>1274
O.k., it should say:
>The early 2000s when there were a shitton of libertarians on the internet and it felt like by late 2000s Ron Paul and the Mises Institute were king. 
Does that correction really mean that much? What's your point?
Bend_It!.jpg
[Hide] (176.5KB, 1080x1225)
>>1263
It would be great to see it more active again. I have always thought that a decentralized monarchy with a feudal structure, mixed with some Distributism and a dash of Georgism, would be a nice flavor.
Replies: >>1302
>>1279
If we were going to make a zzz/monarchy/ might want to do so quick seeing as cuckchanners are infesting moe due to the recent hack. Make a /his/ while you're at it too please!
Replies: >>1303
>>1302
Probably more fruitful to ask here: >>>/meta/137

DouchebagBLS.png
[Hide] (22.8KB, 532x237)
Let me start off by saying:
- I know about Shadow Stats. I know about libertarian statistics alternatives. I have my issues with those, but I'm not going to bring them up here, and I hope you understand by reading this that that is not what I'm talking about.
- I know about how poor government statistics are. So, while this post may be of the same kind, I'm talking of a completely different degree. In my experience, it's always been bad, but not THIS bad.
With that said...
Price statistics have been getting really, REALLY bad recently. Yes, it was 'bad' before, but it's getting to a different level now, and I'm surprised there aren't more outlets talking about it. From what I can see, this includes pricing statistics both over the past few years, but ESPECIALLY across cities. The cost of living calculations being brought up by the various federal bureaus is really going off the rails.
My mother lives in Florida like every other old person in existence, and I live in what the government calls "flyover country." If I look up on a federal website what the cost of living difference is in--say--food, it says it's even. When I call up my mother about the price of eggs, she tells me in all the grocery stores in Florida it's at least 3x my price. Onions are 2x. Like this isn't "Oh, we're off by a couple % or even we're off by 30%." Most of these food prices are orders of MAGNITUDE off. Like they're WAY off. If I compare rent prices, cost of living calculator says it's 10% less w
Message too long. View the full text

Show Post Actions

Actions:

Captcha:

Select the solid/filled icons
- news - rules - faq -
jschan 1.7.3