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Which has had a bigger impact on ending slavery
1 - The abolitionist movement
OR
2 - The industrial revolution
?
Which has had a bigger impact on limiting modern day inflation
1 - Ron Paul's End the FED movement
OR
2 - Bitcoin
?
Concluding leading question:  which matters more for furthering libertarianism
1 - Ideas
OR
2 - Technology
?
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>>619
>That's why leftists ignore banks
Go to a /leftpol/ or reddit and ask them what they think about banks or the fed. They'll say something like get lost lolbert corporations are the only enemy.
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>>624
>corporations are the only enemy.
Ask them what they think about the big pharma covid vax conspiracy.
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What libertarians actually do to become ungovernable?
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The elites have turned everyone into criminals, liars, hypocrites, and cowards.

The only good thing about living in a police state is that no one can take the moral high ground on anything.
>>626
>Ask them what they think about the big pharma covid vax conspiracy.
They say it was a government project with "scientific" oversight therefor shutup and take your boosters nazi.

>>628
>What libertarians actually do to become ungovernable?
https://medium.com/@Kallman/a-21st-century-introduction-to-agorism-5dc69b54d79f

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How would the NAP deal with noise complaints?
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>>637 (OP) 
I approve this soyjak because it's making fun of commies.
Not going to effort post a response because the op has a soyjak so the whole thread will probably get deleted by some retarded crybaby zzz mod.

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This has been bugging me for a while. I'm probably not going to say anything new, but I think a thread discussing the matter here would be nice. If we want to have perfect ethics, why should we apply the NAP only to humans? Why would one justify aggression against other animals? But in fact, why just animals? Why not also apply it to every other living being? Perhaps to non-living things as well: maybe it's atoms that have the property right, or maybe it's subatomic particles that do.
Also, all this poses a big problem. If it's true that it's not justified to violate their property right (if they have it), this makes it impossible for us to do anything without violating ethics, since merely developing the land or even just existing causes the death of some other beings or things, and it would make us aggressors by default.
This might all sound quite extreme, but I wanted to push the argument to the absolute limit.
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>>350
>I don't see why being able to argue or reason is relevant to determine rights.
It's the only secular explanation for why humans are special. Even the smartest gorillas that can be trained to use sign language are still utterly incapable of asking questions or engaging in any other kind of abstract thought.
>>360
The reason for these frameworks, however primitive they were for the times they were in, established in trial after bloody trial what the correct and "best for you" way to live was along with the rationale for why it is so, Christ being necessary after all.

What I'd given you there was some of that rationale. You will know whether that rationale is valid or not, independent of one's theology for that matter, if you test it against alternate ideas and alternate theories or rationale and see which ones function as they are supposed to.

With mine and in what I gave you, it logically follows. Whereas the "animals should have personhood status ~ they are equivalent/have as much rights as man" argument made by modern law or modern lefty liberals will not logically and consistently "follow" when a lion mauls their offspring and their response is not "I'm glad that lions have the right to be lions".
>>360
Also props to the Blood Brothers - Papa Roach
>>361
It is true that smaller animals and other living beings die during crop production, but by far the vast majority of crop is fed to livestock. Only a smaller portion is directed towards human consumption. So, almost paradoxically, being on a vegan / plant-based diet leads to way fewer deaths of not only bugs, mice, and other small animals, but also plants as well.
Omnivores don't have rights. They forfeit them everytime they buy an animal product.

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Can we talk about this?

https://archive.is/BFGt0
https://archive.is/secrz
https://archive.is/7AoSL
https://web.archive.org/web/20240227225551/https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/assange-indiscriminately-named-sources-and-encouraged-hacking-us-lawyers-tell-court/ar-BB1iF2gJ
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>>575 (OP) 
This guy's been fighting the good fight against the U.S. for more than a decade now.  I don't know what else to say other than, "It sucks."
>>575 (OP) 
Good OP.

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Looking for recs
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>>589 (OP) 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleolibertarianism
>Notable proponents and organizations
>Murray Rothbard, American anarcho-capitalist and Austrian economist.
>Lew Rockwell, associate of Rothbard, advocate of secession, and founder of the Mises Institute.
>Hans-Hermann Hoppe, German economist, anarcho- capitalist, and cultural conservative.
>Stefan Molyneux
>Javier Milei, President of Argentina
>Mises Institute, founded by Rockwell to advance Paleolibertarian and Austrian economic views.
>Mises Caucus, faction within the American Libertarian Party
These are all people I follow anyway. What other kind of libertarianism is there?
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>>598
There's Cato libertarians aka Gary Johnson/Koch people

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>Argentina
>Things get worse and worse and worse every year.
>Hyperinflation, massive unemployment, government completely corrupt.
>Argentines vote for a libertarian only because they're so sick of the current system.  Even with the current political party spending nearly 2% of GDP on advertising for the mainstream parties campaign.  Thing have just gotten that bad.
>Meanwhile in Public Education Land...
>Covid remote schooling antics have turned out kids with incredible poor metrics.
>Basic reading, writing, and arithmetic skills are absolutely appalling.
>Kids spend their time talking about gender and sexuality.
>Home schooling, fuck now even UNschoolers are performing better.
>Parents keep their kids in public schools.
How bad do things have to get?
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I kind of this the point about how hard homeschoolers have been WINNING recently really needs to be emphasized.  It's one of libertarianism's greatest wins in COVID fiasco, and I think it's going to become more and more apparent in the years to come.
The thing about libertarianism is that it makes things worse right away, but then creates a trend where everything gets better and better.

Socialism does the opposite, everything improves, but then a trend is established where everything just gets worse and worse.
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>>530
Most of the time, probably, particularly with monetary policy.  But things like cutting red tape or tax cuts most of the time just immediately make things better.
>>498
>What data do you want?
I want you to have some kind of argument that is not just "it's true because I want it to be true". Just because we're on the same side doesn't mean we should have zero standards with each other.
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>>545
I don't know about hard stats but The Case Against Education is a good book for exploring the general ideas.

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Dear new people entering the board.  Let's discuss basic economics.

#1 - Price Inflation is caused by printing loads of money.  Not because of "corporate greed."  Nearly every money supply metric showed an enormous increase in 2020, and its taken time for that absolutely insane monetary inflation to hit the rest of the economy.
#2 - Even if one country can produce everything more effectively (they have an "absolute advantage"), they still have an economic incentive to trade due to the opportunity costs in producing one product over another.  This concept is known as "comparative advantage."  This is why criticism against "dumping" doesn't make sense.

Thank you for your attention.
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>>542 (OP) 
Wrong. Everybody knows that price Inflation is caused by global warming and comparative advantage is white supremacy.

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books
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bump because I keep coming back to this
>>9
I hate this long lists of books that the poster obviously hasn't read. Nobody needs to read 20 books on austrian economics.

If you're looking for one good book for each category
Economics: Bob Murphy's Choice
AnCap/Libertarianism: Roathbard's Ethics of Liberty
Anti-Statism: Hoppe's Democracy the God that Failed
Anti-War: Scott Horton's Enough Already

For fiction, Larry Niven's non-mainstream stuff tends to be very libertarian, Anansi and Red Tide for example. And F. Paul Wilson is a full ancap author you might not have heard of. If you really like Ayn Rand's stuff and wish there was more than Stephan Molyneux has some Randian inspired fiction.
Who /Palelolibertarian/ here?

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If you had to rank the following
>Hayek
>Mises
>Friedman
>Hoppe
>Rothbard
>Bastiat
>any unmentioned
Where would you place them?
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>>411
Could someone explain to me what everything in this post minus the last question is in response to?  Is there someone else/a different thread this poster is replying to that I don't have context to?  Everything except the last sentence reads like a complete non-sequitar.
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>>412
>who is he quoting / referencing?
No idea.

>>411
>If you say that democracy has so much wrong with it, then what do you propose instead?
If you want democracy you need to weigh the votes against how much stake the voters have in the property being voted on. For example look at how companies handle big decisions. Shareholds get a number of votes determined by how much they have actually invested in the company. There's no way they would let 1000 africans walk into the board room and starting voting on shit. This is not your property, your vote is meaningless, get the fuck out.

Hoppe talks about this in What Must Be Done. One way to handle the transition from statism to anarchism is to spin off all public services as private companies but then give citizens voting shares based on how much tax they have paid in their lifetime. That also solves the immigration problem because new arrivals who have paid zero tax and purchased zero shares get no voting rights.
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>>411
>If you say that democracy has so much wrong with it, then what do you propose instead?
This is a thread for tier ranking different libertarians, not tier ranking different forms of government.  Although, that would be a cool idea for a thread.
>>416
>then give citizens voting shares based on how much tax they have paid in their lifetime.
Tax cucks > agorist chads.
>>411
I'm not fascist either but even I can see democracy is rule by mob.

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Why is the U.S. Democratic party so pro-corporatist in practice when they're able to claim that they're anti-corporatist in all their messaging?

I'mma go down the list ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_the_Democratic_Party_(United_States) ):
>Democrats support a more progressive tax structure to provide more services and reduce economic inequality by making sure that the wealthiest Americans pay the highest tax rate.
Immediately jump to increasing income tax rates in their messaging, and in practice never touch the corporate tax rate or god forbid capital gains, which is about the most pro-corporatist tax policy you could think of.  Even when they talk about eliminating tax loopholes, it's always "for the rich," not for corpos.
>They oppose cutting social services, such as Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid
>Democrats call for "affordable and quality health care" and favor moving toward universal health care in a variety of forms to address rising healthcare costs.
The biggest cost for corporations are pensions and healthcare benefits.  It's the largest corporate subsidy in the world.
>Minimum wage
This is the only one I can think of that isn't blatantly pro-corporatist.  But I believe the Democratic party just has this for looks.  I mean, it's always way under inflation growth, it's always "$15/hr" and not "lock it in with inflation," and from what I can see this is completely all bark and no bite because they never follow through on it.
>They also support universal preschool and expanding access to primary education 
To make sure corporations have less of their labor force concerned with childcare.
>They call for slashes in student loan debt and support reforms to force down tuition fees.
Gigantic subsidies for major financial institutions.
>Environment
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>>281
>"excessive centralization" can't happen without governments
Yes.

Lenin «The Impending Catastrophe and How to Combat It»

Compulsory syndication, i.e., compulsory association, of the industrialists, for example, is already being practised in Germany. Nor is there anything new in it. Here, too, through the fault of the Socialist-Revolutionaries and Mensheviks, we see the utter stagnation of republican Russia, whom these none-too-respectable parties "entertain" by dancing a quadrille with the Cadets, or with the Bublikovs, or with Tereshchenko and Kerensky.

Compulsory syndication is, on the one hand, a means whereby the state, as it were, expedites capitalist development, which everywhere leads to the organisation of the class struggle and to a growth in the number, variety and importance of unions. On the other hand, compulsory "unionisation" is an indispensable precondition for any kind of effective control and for all economy of national labour.

The German law, for instance, binds the leather manufacturers of a given locality or of the whole country to form an association, on the board of which there is a representative of the state for the purpose of control. A law of this kind does not directly, i.e., in itself, affect property relations in any way; it does not deprive any owner of a single kopek and does not predetermine whether the
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>>376
Projection.
Rules post features: Murray Rothbard with text saying "get in we're privatizing everything"
Core libertarian literature is authored almost exclusively by jews.
This entire board is dedicated to judeophiles acting as golem.

>>374
OP uses rhetorical questioning to lead posters to draw similar conclusions on ideological opponents so that he can ask a question which reinforces his intellectual superiority:
>How the fuck do socialists not see this?

Libertarianism is a distraction to occupy autists that aren't entranced by hormones and flesh shapers.
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>>380
>first pic
god fucking damn it
>>380
>Core libertarian literature is authored almost exclusively by jews.
Hoppe, Hayek, Ron Paul, SEK3, Bob Murphy, Tom Woods, Lew Rockwell....

>The Free Market will solve this
As long as government has exclusive control over money we don't have anything approaching a free market.

>OP uses rhetorical questioning which reinforces his intellectual superiority
OP asked a serious question and got serious answers (until you came along). It's obvious that you are the one who is obsessed with "intellectual superiority" and you're projecting that onto everyone else.
>>380
>Libertarianism is a distraction to occupy autists that aren't entranced by hormones and flesh shapers.
I don't know about others but understanding real economics and personal responsibility has made me far richer than the kids I went to school with. Individualism is also a nice escape from dumb partisan bullshit since I can just agree with leftists on things I agree with them on and agree with rightists on things I agree when them on. There's no pressure to be an obnoxious faggot who ignores facts and logic and just throws shit at people because they're not "your" group.

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