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in4:
>In reality it's gnu/linux.
Don't know personally, I don't do programming, but my personal experience is that the whole "download 142.341 out of 232.422 libraries in order to achieve basic functionality" feels clunky as hell.

>Use a completely different operating system
>Have to learn how to use it
>Cry about it
Are you a woman?

>>262374
Linux programs have less capabilities than Windows programs and need to use less comfortable keyboard hotkeys because the system reserves way more basic hotkeys so the program can't use them.

Linux is for people who want to use an operating system, Windows is for people who want to run programs and do things with programs.

>>262382
Windows is for people who like to not own their hardware and have their software cuck them

I don't get why this happens. I installed artix linux (because fuck systemd) and I haven't had these issues. Maybe it's because I set everything up to my liking? What distro are you using OP?
You are changing to a completely different OS. You are used to things working in another way, so of course you will have a learning curve to deal with.

>>262386
I value my ability to get things done more than my ability to disable automatic updates and then constantly update it manually anyway.

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>normal text editing keybinds are reserved for some retarded system commands
Which keybinds do you have problems with?
Which distro?
What desktop environment have you installed?
What text editor?
>linuxfags deepthroat weird ass editors
Plenty of us use regular notepad clone GUI editors

>>262369 (OP) 
How is nano a weird editor you retard?
>>262382
I just want a personal computer that I can use for surfing the web and watching pirated media without getting digital AIDS and having to deal with corpo faggotry

>>262390
OP has to be lying or hes too ashamed to admit he got filtered by a distro not meant for newbs
>Have no real practical time on linux
>Decades of using windoze
>Fedora KDE takes 5 minutes to get used to 
>Functionally practically the same but better

>>262392
He probably is complaining about vim, which, if you haven't EVER used it anywhere, I could understand having a problem with.

>>262394
No matter what editor you name, literally no matter which one, someone will shout out how it was your fault for picking that one instead of some other one.

>>262397
Really you should be just posting a ghetto kid with a laptop he paid 4k for.
>ayo learning is haarddd

>>262398
>OS that requires you to learn a ton of things is better than OS that doesn't
An idiot admires complexity etc.

>>262400
>I'm too retarded to crack a nut so nuts are bad

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>>262401
>food analogy

>>262402
Keep eating your fruits and get cancer  from your negro  jobs

>>262373
Leenoox is for suicidal bisexual politically deranged NEETs.

>>262422
If that were true there would be more more users

i use windows 10 because linux lacks compatibility with the programs i use and games i play
and even then, Win10 has lacking compatibility with some of the older titles i like, so i'm planning on downgrading to windows 7

>>262435
There's only a handful of games that don't work on Linux nowadays and they're essentially all multiplayer kiddy kasinos outside of really obscure weeb trash that wasn't even worth playing in windoze 
>programs
Like what? there's probably an alternative you can use if it doesn't work on Linux.

>>262435
Windows 7 has very bad support for everything because all the game engines and web browsers started using Windows 10 exclusive APIs. Anything that uses one of those no longer works, which means basically everything because 99% of modern games use a game engine and 99% of modern software including Steam are just google chrome with some scripts on top.

>>262369 (OP) 
linux is for edgy autistic kids in the 90s who go around launching hadoukens and running with airplane arms
*that* is why they spend 500 hours learning vim/emacs which have no concrete benefits and the entire ecosystem is a pile of scat ADHD slop with each program having 0.5% emacs support and 0.7% vim support, or one of 5 different GUI toolkits (kde, gnome, fltk, etc). they cant even explain concretely what security is. they think prefixing commands with sudo is protecting them from getting hacked somehow but cant actually explain it because it would unwind the pile of horse shit assumptions tehy wrongly adopted from their autism club

really, theres nothing more to say than its a demographic of invalid fuckjobs
its like how the first time i heard "stop eating seed oils" without knowing who said it, i immediately knew  this is some fuckwad whose taking ivermectin and "investing in silver" or whatever such bullshit that will never make a difference in his life

>>262444
That's a lot of projection.

lmao filtered by text editing

>>262440
As someone using Windows 7 right now, you can game some of it by copying dlls around for newer directx which will work if the game demands new directx but only uses old directx functions (works for some games) but a lot of shit will indeed not work and Steam is no longer supporting if you care about that. You're better off installing (Gentoo) Linux.

>>262465
>copying dlls around for newer dx
>a lot of shit will not work
That's a lot of effort for a worse experience than both Linux and Cancer 11 Open Pilot

>>262444
Nice retard trips.

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>>262422
Dubs of Truth.
>>262444
Trips of Wisdom.
>>262451
Sage of Seethe.

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Which keybinds do you have problems with?
Which distro?
What desktop environment have you installed?
What text editor?

>>262439
>there's probably an alternative you can use if it doesn't work on Linux
none of which suits my interests. and i don't want to troubleshoot any more than i do with already win10 if something inevitably goes wrong.
>because 99% of modern games and programs will not be accessible 
thankfully, nothing of value will be lost.

>>262508
*Especially with programs i have far less familiarity with over those I've used for years.

>>262369 (OP) 
>linux
>reserved system commands
Changing your OS won't cure your brain damage

>>262522
Sadly the truth, Linux isn't even remotely hard to use it's like using inverted camera controls it takes 3 seconds to get used to unless you are just brain damaged which then it takes months.

>>262474
It's a better experience than Cancer 11 Open Pilot you fucking faggot. And I have some legacy Windows shit that lets me OC with my old-ass motherboard that needs Windows for some fucking reason. Windows 7 is okay, but also I'm contemplating installing Gentoo over Slackware as the other OS on my rig. I'm kind of fed up with slackbuilds.

>>262523
>bro you can change 15 years of programming muscle memory in 3 seconds brooo
I can tell that you don't do anything useful with your computer.

>>262529
All the choices in the world and you still chose to be a niggerfaggot who failed at step 1

>>262528
What will you do when your old hardware expires? You will be forced to run new one on w11, maybe also a virtual system with 97, xp or w7 just to play old games, like dosbox does for dos games.

I'll be honest, i gave up on setting up mint the moment external drives got involved

>>262530
Step 1: lower your standards by 5000%

>>262534
Woman mentality just complain and cry until   someone spoon feeds you as to why you are a retard and still dismiss it

>>262535
Just like a woman chooses a superior man over you, I choose a superior OS over Linux.

>>262536
>chooses 
>a superior man
They choose a cat.

>>262538
>cucked by a cat
Lmao

>>262541
>Make up game with insane and retarded rules
>Rage quit when you start losing when the other player refuses to play
>Even when other game creators play by optimal meta
All in all  it is just sour grapes.

>>262544
>game with insane and retarded rules
But enough about Linux.

>>262556
You can't even read let alone figure out what we're talking about
I would suggest going back to school but you might end up even more retarded

>>262531
This PC is over 12 years old and still running great.

Also, I will either run Linux or OpenBSD. Ain't no way in fucking hell I'm installing Win11. I'd sooner install fucking ReactOS (an open-source Windows clone that is still in fucking alpha after 30 years of development).

>>262593
Mine begins glitching after a decade. I wish you luck.

>>262596
If I get a new PC, it won't be because the old one broke down but because I felt like splurging on a high-end machine. It still does everything mid-end machines do great.

>>262369 (OP) 
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>>262529
Most of the basement dwellers here use computers for either gaming or Web surfing, these twinks don't get that many of us are forced to use proprietary software for our jobs.

There is no point in arguing with actual homosexuals.

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>>262369 (OP) 
>anon wants to be a programmer
>but he can't even learn how to use a fucking text editor
Anon, I've got bad news for your aspirations of being a programmer. You're gonna end up Pajeet-tier and replaced by ChatGPT.

>>262818
You won't even have a job soon enough that you can even bicker about muh proprietary software
like who honestly gives a fuck and even so using your home computer as your workstation is niggertastic

>>262369 (OP) 
Install a real ide like vscodium

>Windows user
<Yankee Buck
>Linux user
<Southern Buck Breaker
>Mac user
<European nobility ostensibly using the same principles as the Linux user, but they moved into a mansion on the east coast in a quiet neighborhood of similarly wealthy clientele when >emigrating to the new world for the >adventure and "liberty" from wealthy European customs or something
>BSD user
<European nobility that headed westwards and embraced the frontier lifestyle, now acts much like a Linux user but with a much higher baseline education and training for skills not found in most selfmade frontiersmen.
>ZX Spectrum user
<The war for independence ended over 100 years ago and the UK did not emerge as its victor.

>>263123
<nobility
>comparisons ignoring the hardware performance problems
Fits with the idea of later generations of nobility losing any touch with the qualities that made them nobility in the first place.

>>263124
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdFnfcxhNnA

>>262506
>didn't name the file "nyonsense"
Missed opportunity

>>263140
>not nyasense

>>263124
>hardware performance problems
Did Crapple shoot itself in the foot there as well?
Everyone knows Windows 10+ runs like absolute dogshit on anything that isn't some proprietary NvidAIfaggotry that can't be run on Linux due to DRM, but I thought the Apple clubs still kept their climate-friendly reusable dildoes largely smooth if not entirely clean.

>>263575
Apple PCs are designed to break down on you and require you to buy in to the Apple ecosystem, which for a variety of reasons many people are not into these days.

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I recently upgraded my PC substantially, migrating my Linux installation to a new board amounted to plugging in the drives then reconfiguring the bootloader via live image chroot, after that was done everything just werked.
How does this compare to doing the same on Windows 10/11?

>>263606
It's easier to install Linux than Windows because there's no online nonsense or having to uncheck spyware options then having to still use extra software to undo the cancer
>hardware unsupported if you have an old computer despite it being functional
>having to bypass online account requirements by some means

>>263606
>reconfiguring the bootloader via live image chroot
Why do you need to do this autism? If you install Windows it just works.

>>263707
>Why do you need to do this autism? 
Because the UUIDs of the partitions changed and he has more than 1 disk. If that weren't the case, he could have just pressed the power button and everything would have worked (without having to use Live environment or doing reinstall).

>If you install Windows it just works.
According to Microsoft, you need to reinstall Windows if you upgrade your CPU. You don't need to do that, if you are on GNU+Linux because Linux won't get confused.

>>263707
>If you install Windows it just works.
<If you install Windows it just works... against you.

>>263730
>mp4
And that's not even including installing windows without a Microsoft account or installing GPU drivers without bloat.
>Mouse acceleration is still something you have to check if it's on
Can someone just take the monkeys who update windows in the shed back doors and scream ol yeller

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>>263720
>you need to reinstall Windows if you upgrade your CPU.
When was that put into practice?
I did a CPU upgrade back in CY+1 and W10 at the time didn't complain about anything.

>>263744
He probably replaced his motherboard which set it off.

>>262369 (OP) 
because they're autistic hipster who need to feel special

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the quality of open source can be summed up by looking at foobar2000 vs the non-existent open source bullshit alternatives. they can't even write a music player

>>263744
w10 is just pure malware, meanwhile xp or one around that time would fuck up if you change any hardware or 2 hardware items without asking bill gates if its okay

>>263793
reddit ass anime

>>263707
Because you're setting up multiple operating systems on your computer. Otherwise you can just autoconfig it and not give a fuck.

>>263793
Okay fubar faggot.
>non existent
>strawberry music player
>rhythmbox
>can play it through terminal
>can use vlc or mpv

>>263798
And to add extra insult
>DeaDBeeF

those are all fucking garbage.
>mpv
we're talking about music players you autistic fuck. of course you come in here with your "bro just type in the file name and path" faggotry
>vlc
what the fuck am i even reading
>terminal
that's a bad thing. you are confused because you're used to using baby shit in the web browser and terminal looks fast compared to that. 
>deadbeef
never heard of it + autistic reference ergo trash

>>263805
it's the exact same type of autistic shit you already use

>>263806
you cannot apply the autism insult correctly (to the point where im not even sure what youre saying here)
always these retarded faggots
you were already the biggest fucking moron for using rythmbox as a counterexample to open source being plagued with garbage.
youre a fucking waste of my time.

>>263809
Not my problem btw foobar 2000 is a autistic reference so die in a trash fire

>>263810
Is foobar really that bad? Never used it, but thought it was lightweight.

I like the audacious audio player.

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>>263811
foobar2000 is a perfect fully featured GUI program that linux doesn't have a lot of. It's proprietary tough which means at some point a company might buy the brand to put ads and tracking in like utorrent. That's why I like FOSS, I know there's no spyware in it and there's no way they can pull a sneaky with an update.

You know what? It's fine that you don't get it, it's not meant for you, but then leave and don't whine about it not being made for you. There is already enough turbofaggots wanting to know the best way to run Discord or Steam on their Linux systems, who shouldn't be using it anyways. Soon Linux will be in the same state of decay as Bitcoin, where all the people using it are interested in monetary gain and finance speculations, and not in having a P2P/decentralized, free as in free speech currency. The same applied to Linux is faggots running Linux because they watch a Pewdiepie/Linus Tech Tips video for any other reason than software freedom and the ability to hack the software.

Why do >people still use Jewbuntu and its derivatives?

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>>263885
The good thing about Windows software is that you can generally run any old .exe you want, so updates shouldn't affect you as much. Meanwhile on Linux you have to fight the OS to run older versions of programs, so shitty updates are an actual problem (even if they don't introduce ads and spyware per se). I know Linux users who run a lot of open source/cross platform software as .exes on Wine just to not have to use the latest shitty updates.

Fuck linux, I'm using Temple OS

>>264091
The counterpoint to this is that not even the niggest GNU/Linuchs distro ever forces (You) to install updates, some distros such as Debian pride themselves on not updating aside from minor bugfixes for muh stability.
It all ties back to Linuchs being open sores with no stable ABI so you have to recompile everytiem there's an update to a dependency somewhere.
There's software that doesn't care which exact libraries you're using as long as they're above a certain minimum version, but it doesn't preclude problems arising from undocumented autism unique to one specific version/build of the library as in dolphin's case which often refuses to finish compiling with SUSE's builds of the fmt lib, or the official Linux ports of UT2k4 which require an old version of libstdc++ no longer carried by most extant distributions.
If the GNuggers could just settle on a extendable Win32 equivalent Linus would stand at the Gates of computing hell, but as it is Atheism just isn't jewish enough for mainstream appeal.
>>264095
White.

why does vim have to store every single thing i do in 10 different files like some malware keylogger and how do autistic people justify this? whats wrong with notepad.exe?

^no@
>r forces (You) 
>(You)ing for no reason like an autist sprinkling cups of spices on all his food
stopped reading there

linux is broken (and all unixes in general) because log entries are just strings; if the lcoale of a program is set to en_US, it will be permanently logged in english. then when someone who is de_DE goes in and tries to read it later he wont be able to

>>264095
You won't last 5 seconds without the internet.

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>>264121
>complaining about free (You)s

linux is for the biggest charlatan moron cocksuckers on earth. i mean how do you even take that shit seriously when it takes years to even learn less or info so you can read the manuals. you'd have to be kidding yourself.

in less if you type ctrl+c it just truncates the manual. that's unfortunate because you often want to search for something in the ocean of text that these autists wrote. so you press / <shit to search for> but then change mind or make a typo, then press ctrl+c, then the manual is just truncated randomly; when you scroll down, there will be eventually a cut off. if you don't notice this you'll falsely conclude that you read the whole manual when you didn't and then go misconfigure your system (you still would anyway since it's helplessly complex)

and a linux autist will say you're dumb for not knowing the proper way to cancel search is ctrl+g. okay, 8 months later you're used to ctrl+g as the hidden proper way to cancel things in UNIX systems that should have been put out of their misery literally over 40 years ago. now every time you use vim you try to cancel search and this stupid ^G text appears because the proper way in vim is ctrl+c, woops

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All this butthurt over me effortlessly playing games on any vulkan compatible hardware without sucking bill gate's dick.
it just werkz.

>>264101
>GNuggers could just settle on a extendable Win32 equivalent
It's called WINE. Git with the times gramps.

>>264218
Console idiots are gonna console and fail at basic computer tweaking despite it's just a few simple clicks and commands.
>Easier to read my Japanese visual novels
>Games that no longer work on windoze work on Linux
>No need to reinstall OS because of software error
They're the reason why the Minecraft launcher comes with java because clicking more than once is scary

>>262439
>There's only a handful of games that don't work on Linux nowadays
<loonies actually believe this

>>262528
Consider Debian, it's as stable and low maintenance as they come. Or if you don't want systemd there's something called Devuan.

>>263793
>foobar2000
It's called deadbeef and it works great on linux, although it's missing a few minor QoL features.

>>263885
>That's why I like FOSS, I know there's no spyware in it and there's no way they can pull a sneaky with an update.
So you keep using an older version until you update your system and it unsurprisingly stops working, as the average Linux program has the same shelf life as a half rotten banana. But wait, since it's FOSS you can always just fix the program's spaghetti source yourself, and keep doing that for the rest of your life as it breaks with each system update. Muh freedumb!
See >>264091

>>264101
>just settle on a extendable Win32 equivalent
Yeah, when hell freezes over. The best workaround at the moment is statically linking as many libraries as possible "Windows-style" so the executable is as divorced from the underlying system as possible. Of course GNUggers hate static linking, because they hate everything that works.

>>264474
>Loonies actually believe this
Anyone remotely sane believes it besides manchildren who think cawwadooty isn't a kids daycare and spend upwards upto $200 on a mouse or controller

>>264474
>So you keep using an older version until you update your system and it unsurprisingly stops working, as the average Linux program has the same shelf life as a half rotten banana. But wait, since it's FOSS you can always just fix the program's spaghetti source yourself, and keep doing that for the rest of your life as it breaks with each system update. Muh freedumb!
You're not wrong, but as Win10 has shown Microsoft's efforts to embrace Linux have shown their effect with every major Wangblows feature update you have no choice to install outside of the corporate LTSC track breaking more and more older software, which on Win7 and prior versions could be partially avoided by not manually refusing to install or uninstalling specific updates, but oy vey das antisemitic and too complicated for the average user so it needs to goy.

On Linux on the other hand as long as you have the sauce, you can technically "update" a program's expiration date by recompiling with static linking for your current system at any time, even if you have to manually edit the build scripts and/or source code.
I still view this as the better option on a per-application basis compared to building an entire wrapper or emulator, especially considering you don't have to go through the tranny autism of manually decompiling everything.
Maybe AI source code edits adjusted for modern development environments will fix it.

https://archive.is/pN5B8
To those you who had their posts deleted, this is who you were responding to.
Joyeuse had your posts cleaned up.
Good on you for pointing him out as the schizo that he is.

Also, nice usage of CroxyProxy. When you made post 264627 yesterday, you used the ip 51.159.111.24.

>>264935
That archive is of a Joseph thread and he hasn't posted here in months from what I can tell. He had previously been talking about going innawoods or something prior to leaving. Joseph is a different person than who you're thinking of. First time he started evangelizing (that I witnessed, anyway) was on wizchan a few years ago. Think he has/had a board on original 8 or moe, too.

>>264936
Joseph is not the main focus here.
Scroll down to post 209542.

>>264937
Oh, okay.