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Sorry, but TL;DR

>>250890 (OP) 
Industrialization is destroying civilization because it is destroying the genetic template that let us maintain and advance civilization. Capitalism is just what people do to get what they need, especially among different groups interacting, but if those people are of dysgenics, they'll do anything and everything wrong.

>>250890 (OP) 
Interesting thread and I'm replying to let you know that I'm going to be thinking about the subject because I do qualitatively discuss it.

>>250931
*want to discuss it

>>250925
I get that argument. I used to hold it myself.
Industrialization certainly makes things a lot worse. Capitalism in 1600 was not nearly as destructive as capitalism in an industrialized information economy.
However, both of the primary reasons for social collapse were established in the 17th century as feudalism was replaced by capitalism. 
The rootless worker unit was created due to the Enclosures evicting people from land they had held for centuries. Families were uprooted and forced to seek work in mills in the cities. This was stage 1 of the cancer that is "labor mobility." Being allowed to travel without your lord's consent is good. But being forced to uproot, destroying literally centuries worth of familial connections to go wage slave is not.

Furthermore, the second cause of social collapse is related to the first. In normal times, children are kept close to the family network. However, it's difficult to have "labor mobility" and also keep families together since businesses hire people, not families. And somewhere along the way we developed this weird concept that children should "just make it on their own" once they reach a certain age. So they're kicked out of the household and effectively kicked out of the family.
This mentality formed in the ~17th century but has reached a malignant state today... it will probably get even worse somehow.

I don't have (also for >>250931) a great solution to this problem because, 
1) it's a structural problem that the retard peasantry buys into. Parents WANT to kick their children out of their house. They WANT to make them go to college. They WANT to move around all the time, uprooting, divorcing, making more money so they can afford to be more in debt. How can we reason with masses of retards?
2) We are so far up shit creek that it may be impossible to establish a new system short of an apocalyptic event. Even if literally everyone on zzzchan or whatever were in positions of power, it's like when a fatass sits on a couch so long that his skin grafts to the fibers. Even if it is just industrialization and not capitalism, how do we ungraft ourselves from this poison?

Also, I'm not saying that we should return to feudalism. I don't think we can. But I do think it was a better system than this.

>>250890 (OP) 
Not to say that the way capitalism can be implemented doesn't have anything to do with what is described here, but didn't the Soviet Union shuffle around it's populace in a similar manner based on the whims of bureaucrats? Many Asians having experienced similar circumstances when their governments pulled similar shit in the name of communism instead of capitalism.
But, yeah
>Not just uprooting people, but even splitting apart families and scattering them across the country
that aspect of modernity points to life being terribly out of balance.

>modern parenting (the culture of evicting your son from the home as soon as he reaches 18)
That trend has got to go. For the love of humanity. Really. The fact that it is an American meme for a parent to say to their child that McDonalds is always hiring sort of sums it up. Are such people even capable of having families or are they nothing more than exponents of the McDonalds corporation at that point? That point of view in general is a damned sickness. At least it seems that there is still a stronger trend among Asians, some pockets of Europe, and rural places where that sentiment in general is not as strong and families are still families.

>80% of responses will either be people who only read the title, or an argument over someone using the word "based"
kek, well this is /b/ but I'm sure many of us feel this sentiment OP. Kali yuga clownworld and so on. Maybe better to be isekaid into an Amish paradise instead of living in these times. Life can be a shit.

>>250946
I was ready to kick you in the head, but I think you're right, feudalism is more in line with our biology, and capitalism is incentivized to destroy families, thus destroy communities, thus destroy civilization, ending with a bunch of rich hiding away and dying off slowly
The only solutions would be to collapse, go back to feudalism and do it all over again, or use methods to make your descendants smarter to the biological limit, and when the mean IQ is 500, their systems won't need people to work, capitalism won't have any thing to make people go into debt for

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>capitalism
I fucking WISH we lived in capitalism. As long as the government is funding arbitrary companies and projects and bailing out failing corporations and investors left and right, we're not living in capitalism. Capitalism is when shitty incompetent companies go bankrupt and better companies take their places.

It's not just companies either, remember when the gamestop thing happened and some kike investors who were trying to short stocks got fucked over? Instead of just letting them get fucked, the entire stock trading system was manipulated to bail those guys out and then small investors got fucked instead.

It's also arguable whether the current patent/trademark/copyright laws are compatible with capitalism or not. You can just make a thing by yourself and then out of nowhere get sued by some trademark jew corporation because they trademark literally everything under the sun and can keep those trademark forever. It's one thing to be able to patent a new invention so some fat fuck corporation can't beat you to the market and basically treat competitors as free R&D, but as soon as the patent lasts for longer than 5 or so years, it starts to break the whole idea of capitalism. There's also shit like Red Cross suing game developers for putting a red + symbol into their videogame, there should be some kind of minimum complexity requirement for designs.

There's one big flaw even with real capitalism, which is that investors and corporations can do the same thing as the government: they can buy and fund and bail out shitty failure companies. A great example of this is Mozilla. Despite being completely incompetent and at the brink of bankruptcy, they're still paying their CEOs and managers who don't do any actual work millions in salary, and this is only possible because they're being funded by Google. They should just crash and burn because it would motivate people to do something, such as Firefox developers leaving and forking Firefox or just developing it independently. I'm sure Firefox or some other alternate browser project could get enough funding for it's developers if A) there wasn't an absolute tumor called Mozilla attached to it, and B) you didn't have to compete with a browser that's funded by one of the biggest corporations in the planet. Google has their own browser and that's fine, but when they're also funding the "competition" it becomes very difficult for anyone else to survive in the "market" in a normal capitalist way.

>>250977
>red cross
Another similar example is Bethesda suing game developers for having the word "Scrolls" in their game's name.

>>250958
>didn't the Soviet Union shuffle around it's populace in a similar manner based on the whims of bureaucrats?
I am not a fan of the USSR. Firstly, yes, Stalin intentionally employed the age old tactic of forced population transfers. This is the kind of thing Assyria or Rome did to fuck up its subjects... and is of course what jews are doing today.
But the USSR was a relatively okay time for Russians. When it collapsed, the country became capitalist and Russia is now in one of the worst demographic declines of any country in history. Its only consolation is that at least it isn't importing niggers.

More importantly, we must ask ourselves: Do Chinks have frens?
I honestly have no idea if things are as fucked up in China as they are here. We've all seen those videos of Chinese getting eaten by their most dangerous predator: the escalator. However, if you needed to borrow butter or rice or whatever they eat from your neighbor, could you do that? Would a Chinaman have actual real friends after graduating highschool?
I don't know. But I suspect that, given how successful Chinese are at taking over areas in my country, they probably have a lot of social cohesion. 

>it is an American meme for a parent to say to their child that McDonalds is always hiring
I see this a lot. Humans are supposed to help their child get on his feet. Not to rag on boomers any more, but boomers have created this cancerous culture. They raised only 2.5 children each, so they should have have an easy time ensuring that they got great jobs in their own field. Instead, they abandoned them like baby turtles to shuffle towards the sea.
At least Millennials and Gen Zs can claim that we're poor as dirt, not that that's a real excuse. But boomers were comparatively rich and to this day, reasonably well connected. It's bizarre.

>>250977
>Capitalism is when shitty incompetent companies go bankrupt and better companies take their places.
Is it?
But the intelligent thing to do with money is to invest it in cut throat anti-competition policies.

>>251000
I guess his angle might be "the real capitalism was never tried".

And for you, are nepotism and bribery really the things to miss? Central and eastern Asia is full of them, and it doesn't look like it serves them any good. This pseudo-capitalism at least separates retards from positions of power faster than any other social system present.

>>251003
>real X has never been tried
This is a retarded argument for 2 reasons.

The first reason is that there's literally no infallible system. If you think this then you'll also have to think that every other system including your personal favorite is shit, because there's always some weakness that can be exploited to make it work less the way it was supposed to work.

The second reason is that you're exhibiting word-based thinking, you're not thinking about ideas and concepts, you're thinking of "capitalism" as if there's only one possible "capitalism"; the exaggerated literal version of it. "Capitalism won't work because this exaggerated exact version of it has problems". "Democracy won't work because this exaggerated exact version of it has problems". What about capitalism where companies can generate as much capital as they can, but there's a limit to how much an individual can get in personal benefits, and the lowest paid employee can be paid at minimum 10% that of the highest paid employee (i.e. if CEO gets 1M, the janitor gets 100K)? What about democracy where you need to pass an intelligence and history knowledge test and have 10 generations of ancestry in the country and own a piece of land before you can vote? It's still capitalism and democracy, but it has a completely different outcome than the ones we have right now.

>>250890 (OP) 
You say capitalism but it's not a consequence of the economic system, it's a consequence of the political system.
It is a legislative, judicial, military/law enforcement and media problem.  It doesn't matter what system you have if it's still full of jews. I know you're a stupid fucking zoomer so it can't be helped, but this is NOT a consequence of pure economics.
This is a consequence of a very organized and motivated group, mostly jews, who have worked unceasingly for hundreds of years to undermine every white nation.
Private ownership of property and unregulated private trade with money (or even currency, learn the difference because there is one, dipshit) is not the core problem.
What IS the problem is the complete capture of the government and non-governmental organizations.
The majority of leadership and middle management are racial jews, or they have "AIPAC guys" who own them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74ZA-GdeQP4
Fuck you are so fucking stupid.

But I know why you're fucking stupid.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uj8f7ycnUtU

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>>250890 (OP)  
>he needs a short-distance relationship with other males

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>>251016
>jews
>youtube
didnt read lol

WE MUST RETURN TO FEUDALISM, ((( CAPITALISM ))) AND EVERY OTHER POST ENLIGHTENED IDEOLOGY IS AN OXYMORON A FALSE PROMISE OF A UTOPIA, LUCIFER IS CALLED THE LIGHT BRINGER AFTER ALL, AS IN ENLIGHTEN!
MODERNITY IS LITERALLY THE FUCKING  ANTICHRIST!!!

>>250890 (OP) 
We can see this on the internet as well
Things like early internet Forums are structured a lot like feudalism (as in Users < Mods < Admins < Site Owner)
where as modern mainstream websites are structured like a corporation with many branches of nepo-babies who do nothing all day but still get paid a large sum for it. a lot in common with our current ((( Democracy )))

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>>251019
Unfathomably Based

>>251020
Yes. It is ironic that users on these sites have more creative freedom than users on sites like Facebook or Youtube.

>>251016
> it's not a consequence of the economic system, it's a consequence of the political system.
I am well aware of the jewish role in the decay. 
However, if only jews were removed from the equation, leaving the economic system where we cannot even get jobs in our own communities, the decay would continue.
Now, if we removed the jews, much would change that would have a positive impact on the economic situation. Jews are among the most influential forces pushing for open borders. Yet they are not alone. It is capitalists who do now and have always pushed for open borders. Open borders leads to cheap labor and the destruction of labor unions. So, assuming ceteris paribus, only removing the jews would not solve the structural problems. Families would still split apart and shitskins would continue pouring in to fill labor quotas. 

Nor am I opposing private property. In fact, I am not even opposed to normal businesses. What I do oppose is allowing corporations to take over society and destroy it. 

Here's another example: Feminism is a favorite jewish tactic to destroy the family. Yet feminism is also pushed by corporations because more women in the workforce undermines the value of labor and allows them to keep wages low and workers desperate.
Women tend also to accept lower wages because of their more obedient nature, thus further destroying the value of labor for everyone.
More women working means more women buying. We need equality of the sexes so that women can have bank accounts and buy shitty plastic crap. More profit for the rich. More cars to sell. We need each family to have TWO cars so that the woman can drive wherever she wants and spend that money on more shit.
The fact is that feminism exists because it is profitable for the rich and beneficial for the jews. 

In fact, capitalists literally want to break up families and destroy localism. Localism is a barrier to an open market. It is not profitable to have a region or state that "does things a certain way" because then you cannot sell them the same cheap T-shirts that you sell to everyone else. Indeed, capitalists and jews share the exact same antipathy towards racism for this exact reason. Cultural distinctiveness is a barrier to profit. Better that we live in a raceless world where the only way you can have any kind of culture is by buying the newest sweatshirts and makeup fashions. 

In short, jews are my enemy. But they are not your only enemy.

>>251017
Yes.
That'd be great.
We could go on adventures.
Maybe even overthrow the government, idk.

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>>251003
>Central and eastern Asia is full of [nepotism], and it doesn't look like it serves them any good. 
idk, man. In 100 years, Chinese will still exist. Will English? Will Germans?

>This pseudo-capitalism at least separates retards from positions of power faster than any other social system present.
Pic related is the "non-retard" who has power in this system.
I see capitalists burning millions of dollars to push transgenderism onto children. Yet they are so rich that this propaganda loss is acceptable.
This is a silly system and should be destroyed.

>>251025
But he is supported by money that is a remnant from several centuries ago cultivated to this day. The Rothschild clan is that old, even by public knowledge.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rothschild_family

>>251025
>>251027
Additionally, aren't there multiple records of literally retarded feudal rulers in world's history that as long as they stayed alive they couldn't be overturned in the open without a literal revolution taking place? You can't say that idiotic behavior is an invention of modern times.

>>251025
>capitalists burning millions of dollars to push transgenderism onto children
That's because there's a literal jewish global conspiracy to destroy white people and they're funneling money to whoever is willing to push that shit and/or buying things and then pushing it there themselves.

>>251021
>"Jews were still allowed to Usury"
Oy Vey!

>>251031
We won't make that mistake again!
*cracks knuckles*

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>>251033
>impotently posts on IBs as kikes rule the world
Yeah, that'll show 'em.

>>251025 
>that faggot in ze mortal kombat cosplay
I always wondered about him because there is that concept of the "hate sponge".

>>251037
Nailed it, kikes often use decoys or even sacrifice some of their own(low status no-name jews) to absorb genuine revolutionary feelings.

>>251038
it's all about the loosh. They need to absorb the loosh of goyim in order maintain their sustenance and power.

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>More personal freedom
>More control over property
>Less taxes
>Better justice system
WTF I LOVE THE MIDDLE AGES NOW

>>251027
> he is supported by money that is a remnant from several centuries ago
Is there a rule in capitalism against inheriting money?
>>251028
I'm not advocating a return to feudalism. However, capitalism, as it exists, is destroying every single thing that makes a country distinct, a people unique, and even the family unit itself.

>>251030
>there's a literal jewish global conspiracy to destroy white people and they're funneling money to whoever is willing to push that shit and/or buying things and then pushing it there themselves.
True. But it's undeniable that pushing transgenderism, open borders, and feminism is profitable. So it's not just jews funding everything. This shit is profitable for the rich to push.

>>251037
He probably is tbh. However, he is a retard and he is rich. Other retards are Bill Gates, Jeff Bezos, and Rupert Murdoch. Nevermind the jews empowered by capitalism.

>>251042
>Better justice system
The feudal lord was also a judge. Displease him enough and you won't have a chance to appeal to his superior lord. It's like being ruled by a local mafioso. Especially if you weren't a noble yourself. Blood price range depended on the victim's standing, so for someone wealthy enough killing a commoner would mean only losing some small change in court, relatively.

>>251050
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weregild
Here is an example list of prices.

>>251050
True. However, it's more difficult to be a tyrant to people who surround your castle.

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How do we bring back feudalism?

>>251023
The system doesn't matter if you only have white people.
Race is EVERYTHING.

>>251084
It still matters a little bit. There's a lot of degenerate whites, even when jews aren't creating more of them.

>>251084
would be the case if white niggers (poles Irish (you) etc) weren't a thing