/tech/ - Technology

>>17612 (OP) 
The one (you) personally make yourself because it has everything (you) ever wanted and has nothing (you) never wanted.

>>17612 (OP) 
Ubuntu.

>>17614
I don't have time.

>>17615
Why? Ubuntu has spyware, sends data to Amazon and has systemd.

>>17618
>Why? Ubuntu has spyware, sends data to Amazon and has systemd.
<implying you have to use exactly ubuntu and not exactly it's spin offs with different DEs
It werks.

>>17620
Mint is arguably the successor to Ubuntu, unfucking so many upstream packages the entire distro may soon reach the level of distinction held by their Cinnamon unfucking of Gnome.

>>17612 (OP) 
In order of least technical proficiency required to most: Devuan, Gentoo, Slackware, Void.

Devuan is the comfy option. It has a massive package manager and you can easily install whatever you like. It has solid autoconfig, solid configuration GUIs if you need 'em, runs well and is stable. If you want a "it just works" distro, go Devuan.

Gentoo is the fast and more advanced option, that still has a very large support base because its more technically-inclined users do a good job of putting a lot of Gentoo-friendly material out there. It's usually the favorite distro of /tech/ and /g/ boards across the various imageboards.

Slackware is the oldschool option, if you like doing shit through the command-line all the time. It's more for people who want to do shit manually, and because it's actually designed to be used that way, it's more comfortable doing that when you're on Slackware. I do, and I like it.

Void is the more lightweight, DIY option, short of making your own distro. If you like Slackware but need something more barebones, simple, and even more manual, Void's your jam. It feels closer to running a BSD than Linux.

>>17621
>Mint is arguably the successor to Ubuntu,
Maybe for people who don't use it for anything but basic stuff but if you play games or have recent controllers and don't want to run the latest broken distro? Nope.

>>17612 (OP) 
Usecase in important. For stable light computing/office work with ddr4 or older systems: Debian. For workstation/gaming with modern components: Fedora. Only advanced users/tinkerer should bother with derivatives, as the time sink gets worse the further one goes from the dichotomy.

>>17612 (OP) 
Arch Linux because it's hard to use so only nerds can use it and also has an arm version for those cool handheld consoles for retro gaming emulation

>>17612 (OP) 
Gentoo because you have the most choice.  Everything is built from source by default but you also get binary packages, if you want them. You can also use distrobox or something if you need something that's not yet packaged. But honestly, contributing to GURU is easy.

>>17684
Couldn't agree more.
Gentoo is the only distro that you have much more degree of control over your computer than most other OSes.

>>17684
It's honestly eerie how so few other distros aside from Gentoo let you swap distinct versions of packages/applications at will like emerge does, that feature alone has made my 75IQ setup way more stable than any other supposedly "stable" rolling distro using precompiled niggerware.
More people need to put themselves into a buckbreaker mindset rather than a buck's regarding the computing hardware they supposedly own.

I am increasingly coming to the conclusion the distro to end all distros (at least on desktop) is Fedora. Ideally a desktop distro should
>have recent packages
>great support
>predictable releases that don't lead to 'libasscheeks.so.5 not found' errors
Fedora is the only one I've found that satisfies all 3. If Arch Linux had this style of release schedule I would have never considered switching from it, but alas!

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>>17615
This, Ubuntu is the perfect middle ground between Linux and Windows in my eyes, with the freedom and lightweight nature of Linux, but accessibility and capabilities of Windows, all into one.

>>17645
Lemme revise that, now that I've discovered Gentoo does not have an installer: Gentoo is the one that requires the most technical proficiency... to install. Slackware is easy to install, but running it is more technically involved since you can't just emerge your way to success.

linux is complete fucking faggot garbage, worse than windows. it was a complete fucking waste of my time to learn this os, you can even pwn every linux box without knowing a single thing about unix. linux distros are for suckers who cant do anything themselves, but linux doesnt make it any easier to do anything your self unless you like memorizing a million irrelevant commands and shell trivia
merely remembering how the process arguments work is insufferable, and thats before even getting into getopt etc
in shell the number of args is the number of args
in C the number of args is 1+the number of args because the first arg is the program name which for <billins of layers of irrelevant autistic reasons> can be redefined and needs to be passed in as an argument and has all kinds of boring meta around it. in programming language 1, the number of args is the number of args. in programming language 2, the number of args is 1 + the number of args. etc


>devuan
your shits so retarded its not funny

>>17764
i think it would be cute to shrink you down put you in a jar and fill it with my cum <3

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> pkgin ug
> 28 packages to upgrade:
> (...) libass-0.17.4nb1
Does ur distro even libass?

>>17764
Nah cranky what you need is a bigger dragon dildo up your ass and more HRT

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>>17612 (OP) 
It's Android actually, most specifically OneUI.

Linux a shit. Torvalds is a nigger who didn't write his own cumpiler.

>>17612 (OP) 
I just mint not only because i'm a newbie on linux, but because I just config my I3WM and riced my neofetch, i'm not going anywhere for the next year (at least on my main PC).
But I want to try TailOS someday.

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> try out devuan, write the installer to  my sd card
> the installer doesn't right in serial console (display is corrupt/unusuable because debian shit doesn't have any simple dumb terminal option like back when I first installed in in the 90s?)
> fuck it, u-boot is functional, so maybe I can load another OS over tftp/bootp
> turns out it's not that simple
I miss booting from BIOS and floppy disk. Everything was so much easier.

>>17857
That's because ARM is practically the only ISA that doesn't have a conventionally universal boot firmware. Practically every x86 (BIOS/[U]EFI), 68k/PPC/SPARC (OF), MIPS (ARC[S]), and RISC-V (U-Boot) device has the same standardized firmware ready for use, whereas ARM is a mishmash of jury-rigged horsecrap where you're LUCKY if it's even CAPABLE OF RUNNING U-Boot from external media, let alone has some kind of documented onboard firmware!

I have no idea why one of Acorn or Apple's favored firmwares wasn't standardized on back in its early days, but it wasn't, and in more modern times Google in particular has totally failed to impose any such standard on typical Android ARM licensees either.

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>>17864
The bootloader is working though. It's not ARM problem. I picked a board that's well-supported and has run u-boot fine since I bought it. I didn't buy a mystery-meat ARM hardware from shady chinese vendor on alibaba. I bought an industrial quality board from Olimex.
It's other things failing because they made them more complicated. Debian installer is completely shit now, their scripts are using the crappy slang library and they didn't provide a simple dumb terminal fallback, because those bozos never did any real work and just sit all day in front of x86 hardware with latest video screens. These are likely not even the same developers who started Debian in the 90's. These guys are fucking morons. They are not on the same caliber as OpenBSD and NetBSD, they're not even playing in the same league. They're kindergarten baby league nerf software faggots! Fuck this shit, man. I'm never trying a Linux crap again.
Also the PC itself moved from simple ROM BIOS (by real men at Digital Research) to fucking shit EFI that needs installed on your HD. Yeah it's not as simple as before, and it's another place for things to break, or CIA niggers to get their hands into. Well that obviously wasn't enough, because they had to also add management engine later on. And they will keep making things more complicaded and shittier.
I'd have been done installed the OpenBSD in under an hour if I had BIOS + floppy disk. Now I have to fuck with EFI shit and network boot shit.

>>17867
Ah yeah, having U-Boot onboard from the start makes things a lot better. Now all you've got to contend with is piles of out-of-tree drivers, like probably your GPU & NIC.
>a mystery-meat ARM hardware from shady chinese vendor on alibaba.
I feel seen
>simple ROM BIOS
BIOS was a wobbling heap of shit, only uniformity of implementation made it as practical as it was. OF was much better, a nice powerful FORTH environment to fall back on whenever anything unexpected was necessary.
>EFI that needs installed on your HD
Wut? EFI is still sitting on your mobo's ROM on a typical wintel PC, that's why it works without any media plugged in.

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I got farther, but now I'm stuck at the same spot as this guy:
https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-arm&m=152383224122452&w=2
I was first trying to just load everything over the network via tftpboot:
setenv ipaddr 10.0.0.2
setenv serverip 10.0.0.1
tftpboot BOOTAA64.EFI
tftpboot 0x43000000 allwinner/sun50i-a64-olinuxino-emmc.dtb
bootefi $loadaddr:229585 0x43000000
But that wasn't working, so I decided to first save those files to the sd card (via fatwrite):
fatload mmc 0:1 $loadaddr BOOTAA64.EFI
fatload mmc 0:1 0x43000000 dtbs/allwinner/sun50i-a64-olinuxino-emmc.dtb
bootefi $loadaddr:229585 0x43000000
Well, same result! The EFI can't access sd0 that it booted from, and it doesn't even try to access the network in their case (tcpdump doesn't even show ARP traffic...)
So I don't have any solution now. It's fucking hosed.

>>17869
> a nice powerful FORTH environment
Yes, this is the only good solution. I will have to learn Forth and write my own OS.

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>>17612 (OP) 
Ubuntu MATE... it's Ubuntu, but without the bloat in modern GNOME 3 and 40, you can even make it look like Unity, a GNOME 2 fork, it's like the history of Ubuntu all in one place, of its peak, and it feels like its peak in ease of use aswell.

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>>17645
(Yes I am replying to a 3 months old comment)
De(bi/vu)an might be easy most of the time, but if you want more recent (non-free) packages or drivers that are not included in repos (nvidia wasn't at least couple years ago), installing those can be more complicated than on anything arch-based or whatever. If it's to host something/browse the web and not GAYMING, sure.
>>17739
>'libasscheeks.so.5 not found' errors
These happen because built packages are made available as soon as they are ready and the update server might not have processed all the packages yet. If you only ever do complete upgrades/installs you shouldn't run into this problem unless a package doesn't have it's dependencies properly marked (This means not doing 'pacman -S somepackage'). This also means you might occasionally have to wait for the update server to catch up (the smart choice) OR allow downgrades (pacman -Syuu) OR install it anyway and hope nothing you need breaks.

Does the distro matter so much, isn't it more about which DE you use, x or wayland..

>>17870
> I will have to learn Forth and write my own OS.
Do it!

Install Gforth and read Starting Forth => Thinking Forth => Programming Forth, and don't forget gforth manual (you might want to also check out Factor). If you are interested in developing your own Forth, check out JonesForth and NASMjf.

>https://www.gnu.org/software/gforth/
>https://www.concatenative.org/wiki/view/Forth
>https://ratfactor.com/nasmjf/
>https://www.forth.com/forth-books/

>>18554
>Ubuntu MATE
Unfortunately the project doesn't have enough manpower. I suggest that you migrate to Linux Mint or Debian. Both offer rock-solid support for Mate.

>After starting and leading the Ubuntu MATE flavor since 2014, Martin Wimpress announced he's looking to step down from leading this flavor of Ubuntu Linux with the MATE desktop environment. He's hoping for new passionate contributors to keep it going.
>Due to lacking sufficient time to maintain Ubuntu MATE and no longer having the passion for it that he once did, Wimpress announced over the weekend that he's looking to hand over the reins of the project to new contributors that have more time and energy.
src: https://www.phoronix.com/news/Ubuntu-MATE-Needs-Leader

>>17739
>Fedora is the only one I've found that satisfies all 3
OpenSUSE and Gentoo also satisfy all three.

>>18593
It's sad to see Ubuntu MATE dying, and just as Canonical is increasing the minimum requirements for Ubuntu in a way that it's worse than Windows now, it's depressing. Does MATE in these other distros have the Munity setup that make it look like Unity did?

>>18608
Why care about anything related to Ubuntu at all?
No one should use Ubuntu anymore.

>>18611
Snap alone is reason to avoid mainline Ubuntu

>>18621
This and the fact Ubuntu now has stronger minimum requirements than Windows 11... Canonical has lost it.

The only one worth a damn is Lubuntu for being Snapless and lightweight.

>>18628
>Ubuntu now has stronger minimum requirements than Windows 11

Awww... That's sad.
N00b-lUser here, I am little better than a script kiddie, but there was a time that I kept my old Dell Attitude alive for another 4 months by installing Ubantu.
looking to find a good all-purpose image like possibly Cinnamon or a Mint fork.
I don't do big gayming anymore, so most of my needs are not high draw but for video and image editing anyway.
Since I already use GIMP, and other Open source softs on a highly modified WIN7PRO OS, I figured now that Everything Minilimp® is thoroughly jeeted, I should ought to have a backup plan.

I'm also trying to turn a few gen1 Kindle fires into exclusively e-readers for my PDF libraries, with no connections to the web whatsoever.
INB5
>GitGUd

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>>18636
It's sad indeed... I guess the alternative now is to use Linux Mint, the Debian based varient and not the traditional Ubuntu based one, or just use Debian itself.

Ubuntu used to be so good...

>>18640
>pic
Ah, Ubuntu 10... My very first Linux distro and the reason I went back to Windows for another 10 years. Ubuntu was terrible then and it's still terrible now, albeit for different reasons.

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>>18645
Fair enough, Ubuntu peaked with Unity.