/christian/ - christian

>>27434 (OP) 
We are not stupid, but we are sick with the disease of sin. Even the smartest fall, probably even more so. Pray for the world and for those around you and continue to carry on to the end. 
But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. Matthew 24:13

It's God's fault for putting kindness into us. That's why we didn't kill off all the blasphemers, and that's why they ended up taking over the world with the guidance of Satan.

>>27439
This statement mischaracterizes both God's nature and the purpose of human kindness. Kindness is not a flaw but a divine virtue, as Scripture teaches that kindness is part of God's character (Titus 3:4-5) and a fruit of the Spirit (Galatians 5:22-23). It reflects His grace, not a weakness, allowing evil to flourish. God’s sovereignty over human history, while wickedness may seem to prosper, Christians believe God remains sovereign and allows free will as part of His divine plan (Romans 8:28). The rise of ungodliness, though it may be prevalent, does not indicate Satan’s triumph but a temporary condition within God's ultimate redemptive design. Christ’s example refutes violent purging as Jesus did not instruct His followers to eradicate blasphemers but to love enemies and spread the Gospel (Matthew 5:44, John 18:36). The idea of eliminating opposition is contrary to Christian teachings on grace and redemption. Ultimately, blaming God for human kindness misunderstands its divine purpose. The Christian response to perceived moral decline is not violent purging but faithfulness in spreading truth, enduring hardship, and trusting in God's justice.

>>27448
NTA but I'd like to add in quickly that if it wasn't for kindness, God would have no reason to not just erase Adam, Eve, and the serpent after the fall and keep on resetting back to the 6th day until he got a world with truly righteous humans. Which means, you, as you know yourself, probably wouldn't exist if not for the grace of God. Not to mention all the kindness shown in the steps in between, especially in the redemption.

>>27449
Why didn't he make a world with truly righteous humans in the first place, is he stupid?

C.S. Lewis discussed the problem of pain at length.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LN8b5wkAEbg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPXWyfKcfkw

>>27450
In essence, God did in the beginning with Adam and Eve. God created humanity for communion with Him, not as pre-programmed beings incapable of choice. True righteousness is not merely an inherent state but a relationship, a dynamic participation in God's divine life. If humans were created already perfected in righteousness, they would lack the ability to freely choose love, obedience, and holiness. Love without choice is not love at all. Additionally, creation itself is a process of growth and transformation. Humanity was made in the image of God, but the journey toward likeness, becoming truly righteous, is one of synergy between divine grace and human will. The fall of Adam and Eve was not an arbitrary failure but a consequence of free will, which allows for both sin and redemption. Through Christ, humanity is given the opportunity to freely return to righteousness, not as automatons but as willing participants in divine life. Would a world of preordained righteousness truly reflect the depth of God's love? The beauty of salvation lies in the fact that righteousness is not imposed but offered, and that through struggle, repentance, and the overwhelming grace of God, humans can become what they were always meant to be: partakers of the divine nature (2 Peter 1:4).

>>27452
NTA. Powerful, thanks Anon.

>>27452
>If humans were created already perfected in righteousness
But, anon, Genesis 1:31* and Ecclesiastes 7:29* states they already were. And then they weren't by no one's choice but their own. I do not find fault with God for not seeing it coming. Because how can anyone forsee that which doesn't exist, which is freedom from God? And forsee that which has never happened before, which was man rebelling against God? This isn't a hard thought either. For does mankind, who was made in the image of the spirit of God, not love to justify himself with "How could I have known?" But it is only God who truly gets away with such an excuse. Neither do I believe that God would have seen it coming, because he is the Beginning and the End. God is the Beginning and the End. But not at the same time. Or else God would not have called himself two different times if he is the same time. "With God all things are possible!" you might now be thinking. But, obviously, all things being possible must also include the possibility that it's not possible. Matthew 24:24* has an example of this.

As for why man rebelled, the reason is there is no reason. Because provoking God is without reason to begin with. Is this too simple and stupid sounding to be what's happening? You bet it is! But it is what's happening anyway. And you've got to deal with it.

Lucifer has a similar stupid sounding origin story. He was once the most favored out of all the angels, with the best of everything. And then one day he suddenly and inexplicably decided try and take by force that which God was already giving him freely. Just so Lucifer could have more of what he already had. And now behold the nature of the "Great" Satan that the world fears. I can see why his ultimate end in the grave shall be to be looked down upon by all of history's dead kings he once reigned over.

These are some of the things I hear with my confessions that Jesus is the Lord. And Jesus is the Son of God. And Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. And no preacher, politician, or professor can convince me otherwise.

*Genesis 1:31 "And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day."
*Ecclesiastes 7:29 "Lo, this only have I found, that God hath made man upright; but they have sought out many inventions."
*Matthew 24:24 "For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect."