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>>27943 (OP) 
>Morning Service
The churches where I live will keep liturgy during snowstorms and hurricanes alike, but every single one of them cucked to da varus. It comes with the territory, heretic.

 >>27944
How is he a heretic?

>>27945
Who else calls a Divine Liturgy by any other name?

>>27948
Oh, you're just a delusional Orthobro. I wish this board was moderated.

>>27949
What you think is an ad hominem, is actually the point. What you think is a point, is just an ad hominem. Just as with works: A faith, without the Church's tradition, is just as dead. Attack the point or just stay quiet, heretic.

>>27951
NTA, but...
>A faith, without the Church's tradition, is just as dead.
"Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do. And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition." Mark 7:7-9

Let's stop the infighting. Calling someone a heretic because they don't follow your church's traditions is exactly what the Pharisees were doing, which Jesus rebuked:
"Then the Pharisees and scribes asked him, Why walk not thy disciples according to the tradition of the elders, but eat bread with unwashen hands?" Mark 7:5

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>>27943 (OP) 

>>27957
>>27959

Case in point: You heretics throw out your entire professed faith when you make retarded arguments like "pharisee are men, the Apostles and their successors are men, ergo the Apostles and their successors are pharisee!" and pat each other on the back like you accomplished something. 

How's this: How are you not a heretic if you have no tradition, no liturgy, no history, and declare yourself an authority solely because someone 500 years ago told you that you could, despite no ecumenical agreement? 

Even more simple: What does the word "Heretic" mean? Does it apply to you and your argument?

>>27962
You have no understanding of proper Protestant (not Evangelical or nondenominational) history. It's plenty rich with tradition and liturgy.

>>27962
The claim I was challenging was: "A faith, without the Church's tradition, is just as dead." There was no argument put forth for that claim.

Regardless, I think you're treating the similarity between the two situations too lightly. The Pharisees were criticizing the disciples for not following longstanding religious traditions, which were not in the word of God, but were instituted at some point in the past by an apparent authority.

Today, there are many Christian traditions that are not in the word of God, but were instituted at some point in the past by an apparent authority. You're now criticizing fellow believers for not following these traditions.

Apart from Baptism and the Lord's Table, "ritual" wouldn't have been a word Jesus' contemporaries would've used to describe his life and message. Granting that, can you not coexist with fellow believers that Christ died for, just because they see the Catholic/Orthodox rituals and regimented worship and don't think it matches what's seen in the New Testament?

>>27964
What does it mean to protest? What are they protesting? What does the word "heretic" mean? Is Arius a heretic? Is Donatus one? By the same definition: How about Martin Luther?

>>27965
What was written is "Just as with works: A faith, without the Church's tradition, is just as dead." The statement is axiomatic. One doesn't know that they're wrong if they don't know what wrong even is. You don't even know your own creed, what else don't you know? Spare us all your solipsism.

>>27951
>>27962
>>27965
The rock that Jesus established his church upon was the revelation that even though everyone was telling Peter that Jesus was this or that and not to believe him that when he prayed to God for the answer God answered that Jesus Christ was the Messiah. That's what he founded his church on and the church of Christianity, that is the church which teaches the gospel of Jesus Christ that For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. That Jesus Christ died for our sins and rose again three days later and ascended to Heaven and will return come Judgement Day, that church in whatever form it takes will endure forever. 

The Catholic's claim to fame is that they're based out of Rome and as such must be the best church because that was the capital and most powerful city in the world. Likewise the Orthodox claim to fame is being the churches Paul founded and those they e established since but all of those things are earthly boasts. The Bible has many stories but an overarching trend is God exalting a man to lead his people with his Word and then that person or the next generation of people falling astray and doing wrong in the sight of the LORD leading to punishment until someone realizes how far astray theyve been lead and leads them back onto the path. There's no reason why that couldn't be the case for Protestantism and even now that most of those churches are falling astray. 

What's most needed is for all of us to read the Word of God so that we know the truth and so that the wicked can't make things up to shake our faith or lead us astray. Hardly a week and sometimes not even a day goes by that I don't see someone lying about what's in the Bible and what God would want us to do, and if you don't read the Bible you may not be able to recognize these lies for what they are, either.

>>27943 (OP) 
These tires of scenarios are where being able to do a Zoom back-up service would come in handy.

>>27966
>What does it mean to protest?
The term Protestant refers to a formally dissenting party of princes within the imperial diet of the Holy Roman Reich of the German Nation.
>What are they protesting?
The Edict of Worms, but if you want to turn it into something theological it would be the traditions of Rome, which you also reject, so I don't understand your seething.

>>27972
That's not church. If you're not gathered together in the flesh with the people of God, it's not church.

>>27994
I agree, but if they're going to cancel service it would be nice to hear a homily.

>>27992
Honestly he's probably an overzealous fresh convert, if I had to guess from a Pentecostal denomination, and now that he feels he's landed in the true religion the leavening of the Phariaees has taken hold and feels compelled to declare everyone else a heretic.