/christian/ - christian

>>27565 (OP) 
I think it is multifactorial, where you had a stable base that was able to attract a large userbase, but when that was taken away, you had a dispersion to multiple sites that had poor stability and short runs, such as Christchan and anoncafe. When /Christian/ got moved to zzzchan, the userbase took another dive, I think, because this site is constantly hit with pedo spam and all sorts of degenerate stuff that was more firmly controlled on the previous sites. Now, with the numbers so low, I think many avoid it altogether instead of attempting to revive it. It doesn't help that many squabble over denominational stuff, which is pointless for a board with a single digit userbase. Another issue is that I believe, as many of us mature in our walk with Christ, we realize that being around this stuff is not suitable for the soul (1 Corinthians 15:33).

It's hardly active here unfortunately. I wish there was more interest in theological discussion.

>>27570
Same here. I feel like the few times that we get a topic going, that one schizo shows up and everything gets derailed. He has to be JIDF. It happens too many times.

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I mean, what the hell is this AIslop?

>>27565 (OP) 
>What can we do about it?
>>27570
>I wish there was more interest in theological discussion.
If you want the board to be more active, make some threads with theological questions. All the recent posts are memes, webms, music, and other things that don't invite a response.

>>27579
I posted an essay on apologetics and the Christian worldview along with a mock monolog and received no response

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>>27565 (OP) 
I was there during the early days of /christian/ when it was handed over the new mods, but since the Christchurch shooting and the knee-capping of 8chan into 8kun.top things took a nosedive. I understood they tried christ-chan but that no longer exists. It is quite sad but I believe we may see a resurgence in the future, it is exhausting being in the wilderness like this and having the world envelope you. Stay strong brothers and sisters.

>>27640
If this board is a direct descendent of the 8ch /christian/ board then it was subverted from the start. Its only intent is to distract from the great men of the earth, divide, and not adress the principles of the doctrine of Christ.

>>27578
If you do reverse image search on it, you'll find that a lot of these exist in a couple of different image collections on some image site. It seems like it was some kind of spam campaign by someone. 

No idea who, but it was coordinated.

>>27565 (OP) 
There has been other threads discussing this very same issue, namely >>27136. The short answer is that you're stuck here forever. The only way this place grows is for others to reach us here, the only place that earnest discourse for the faithful. That doesn't solve the mexican standoff of the Orthodox, Roman Catholicism, and Baptists representing all of apostate/heretic thought.

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>>27565 (OP) 
>What can we do about it?
I think the problem with these boards is that they're more or less catering to the same "incestuous" group of hardcore, oldschool IB users. 

The problem with this is that not only is it a small community, it's "tired". If everyone here is someone from old 8ch, then come on: we've been at this for a decade. The good discussions have been had already. New blood is needed in order to keep that fire of curiosity and creativity up in order for the community to generate useful content and not just dry up in senescence. 

No new users come in basically because there's no "funnel" to bring in new users and grow the communities to the extent of having a sustainable user population. 

Oldschool /christian/'s "funnel" was the 4chan exodus itself. It was able to gather users from a large well-known site. These offshoot communities don't really have that benefit. 

So in my opinion, the solution is as follows: 

1) IB christianity needs a site, not a board, and it needs to be stable and competently maintained from an engineering standpoint. With a full on site, you have much more freedom to make executive and infrastructure decisions that don't make sense with a mere board. 

2) Formal advertising should be used as a "funnel". Sites like agora road and sheepish patio, for example, legit "inject" themselves with new users periodically by running paid ad campaigns on 4chan. Something like this needs to be used in order to rebuild and maintain a core users group, until you can finally reach a sustained size that you become a topic of word of mouth discussion due to your community being a relevant source of content creation by its discussions. 

3) Establish non-board infrastructure. A first thing would be something like a chat, either in discord, matrix or even IRC. This gives you a place where you can have more interactive activities such as interactive prayer groups, bible/theological study, etc. You would also want something like a Xitter or other super-stable means of making general communications, especially things for like up/down status and news if the site gets attacked or has other QoS problems

Other problems and expansions past this would need to be organically handled depending on the nature of the community's growth from this starting point.

>>27986
If you're here, and still don't understand the importance of gatekeeping and anonymous discourse, you are part of the problem. We don't need more useless voices drowning out the truth of Christ, we need rigorous rhetoric that inspires us all to be more zealous Christians, in order to inspire the next generation to emulate. Through reading our works, rhetorical and actual, and the intense debate that can only come from minds focused on Christ, that is the only way to reinvigorate this modern generation of gelded, feminized losers being lost to the lies of their time. The better the discourse, even if it includes a measure of internet culture, the more will be lead to come and join us here on zzzchan. For in essence: What's the difference between your propositions and just resigning oneself to plebbit/r/christianity with all the other losers? None. We already have tor here, and this is already a legacy from the good work done on 8chan. We just need to fill this board with more of the same zealous, good faith, discourse that drew so many moths to that light on the hill.

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>>27987
>We don't need more useless voices drowning out the truth of Christ

Following the 1:9:90 principle, advertising would lead to significantly more viewers than users, and board culture could still be used to gatekeep idiots who want to be in the 1:9 crew that have stupid things to say. 

>Through reading our works, rhetorical and actual, and the intense debate that can only come from minds focused on Christ, that is the only way to reinvigorate this modern generation of gelded, feminized losers being lost to the lies of their time. 

My point is who's reading you? Old 8chan was a top 5000 ranked site. zzz, great as it may be, is rather in the top 300k in the US, and in the top 800k worldwide. 

You're not exposing people to the theology that you're discussing. 

 
>What's the difference between your propositions and just resigning oneself to plebbit/r/christianity with all the other losers?

plebbit uses vote based algorithms to drive content to the top that appeals to the masses (the "90" from above), rather than bump-order based sortition that lets the most discussed (rather than mass-appealing) topics rise. Because of this, plebbit intrinsically appeals to idiots, because it gives a low effort voice (voting) to the masses. 

the structure of an imageboard itself eliminates plebbit's problems, even if it comes with its own set of issues. 

>We just need to fill this board with more of the same zealous, good faith, discourse that drew so many moths to that light on the hill.

What drew people to the old site was the gg related exodus. That got people exposed to /christian/ on old 8ch, and from that, they could be inspired by the good theology that was being taught there. 

That was the "gate", and board culture and moderation can "keep" it, but with no gate at all, you're not gatekeeping, you're immuring yourself. You're putting the lamp under the bushel. 

Were it not this, then why is there even a discussion about "why are all the boards dead" to begin with?

>>27988
I'll bite

>Following the 1:9:90 principle...
>My point is who's reading you?...
The growth will come with time. ZZZ, as small as it is, currently is the most widely used altchan on the webring, and I think its second only to the sharty in terms of all altchans. Just like with the plebbit/cuckchan migration to 8chan, it will happen in waves, but the main draw was good moderation and insightful, honest discussion as to the zeitgeist they allowed. Cuckchan caught on to how gay their were being with the 15 minute post cooldowns, but between the 2 minute cooldowns and increasingly homosexual moderation, it's a matter of time before we see regular triple and quad digit uids here.

>You're not exposing people to the theology that you're discussing. 
You're grasping at straws, I regularly post on topics that catch my interest. What probably happened, is that the more lukewarm /christian/ posters from 8chan got cold feet and returned to normie tier denomination echo chambers via message boards and plebbit. We are obviously closer to zealots than you even want to admit.

>plebbit uses...
You naivete shows. Plebbit, like most of clearnet, is a perpetual jewish consensus cracking/manufactured consent psyop where ideas they don't like are suppressed and astro-turfed ideas are pushed forward to prevent resistance to their goals. Its why one can find hardcore porn there, but guns and national socialism are "le bad."

>What drew people to the old site was the gg related exodus...
Yes, to a point. One of the largest migrations was due to gg, but prior to gg, cuckchan and plebbit were already experiencing a wave of censorship surrounding "punching down" comedy, guns, "political incorrectness" and extreme dissatisfaction with democratic systems of the west. This was leading to a resurgence of Monarchism and national socialism as diametric to current social ills. Think about how many memes one saw of "medieval serfs lived better lives that you do" and quotes of past European regents and saints explain how they dealt with the problems of their day. 

>but with no gate at all, you're not gatekeeping, you're immuring yourself. You're putting the lamp under the bushel...
Let's not mince words, the truth of Christ is axiomatic, but our enemies run rampant. Even here on zzz, with our meager numbers, every major board save for /v/ has an anti-Christ thread. They are trying to salt this place to prevent the light from spreading. If you want to fight and grow the light, take the fight to the enemy yourself. Just because I oppose your desire to open up this board to the lukewarm, doesn't mean I'm that enemy. Because I can tell you this: Ourchan, even with a fairly good /pol/, died on the vine because their clearly jewish mod team wouldn't allow a /christian/ but with a limp wrist allowed a "religion" board.

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>>27989
>but prior to gg, cuckchan and plebbit were already experiencing a wave of censorship surrounding "punching down" comedy, guns, "political incorrectness" and extreme dissatisfaction with democratic systems of the west. 

It doesn't matter what social movements they were experiencing, old 8ch got new members because shilling on 4ch during that time period lead people to it. 

The site was exposed to a high CPM environment and gained membership by spam-advertisement. The social dynamics on the site accelerated this, but 8ch was still pissing spam into a high CPM site and leeching members basically the same way other sites currently do so through leigitmate advertising. 

>You naivete shows. 

You didn't really give a technical response to what I said and just basically said "it's all a jewish psyop". You don't demonstrate how, though, so I don't really follow. Yes, those places are trash and psyops, but I think there's solutions to that. Plebbit is engineered to be a psyop. But imageboards as a systematic framework do not have this same engineering in place. 

And besides, if your board culture and moderation are not designed to be psyops, then it shouldn't matter if you gain new members. The levers of power would still be held by people who aren't engaged in the psyop. 

>This was leading to a resurgence of Monarchism and national socialism as diametric to current social ills.

Old 8chan's core users were tamping down on national socialism and running a deradicalization platform. Monarchism is one thing, but nazis contradict God. Putting the state above the church is not acceptable. If you want some sort of nazi christianity, you're not doing what old 8chan was aiming to do. 

>take the fight to the enemy yourself

That's the plan. Really just kinda thinking out loud to see what kind of people are out there and how people think anymore. 

>Just because I oppose your desire to open up this board to the lukewarm

I'm not talking about this board, but about other potential projects.

>>27990
>You didn't really give a technical response...
Buddy, again, how are you here if you don't understand the times we're in? Have you really not heard of the jidf, hasbara, pravda, zersetzung, their strangehold on mass media and entertainment? How they killed Christ and not only boasted, but asked to be cursed to all future generations? The only solution to the psyop is to opt out, that's why you're here! 
>Your board culture...
There it is, you aren't one of us. We don't need a psyop as again, proclaiming the truth in Christ doesn't require subversion or trickery. The truth has set us free, and we will free those to make the same pattern of choices that lead them among us. 
>Old 8chan's core users were tamping down on national socialism...
Further proof that you aren't as well versed in recent history as you think you are. Why do you think that zzzchan doesn't even bother with a /pol/ but goes straight to the fasces?
>That's the plan. Really just kinda thinking...
>I'm not talking about this board, but about other potential projects.
You're doomed to failure if you lack the necessary rigor to give any action meaning. All that's seen from you is pitiful rhetoric. Don't "kind of" think and sit down for a while and think about what made you take up the cross to begin with. That is, if you're even one of us to begin with. I will not respond if you continue with anymore pathetic ramblings. State thoughts worth debating or return to wherever you came from.

>>27991
Edify us then. What are the hasbara, the pravda, and the zersetzung and what does that have to do with discussing the principles of the doctrine of Christ?
>How they killed Christ
You see you already have been completely and utterly subverted and are apostate. The JIDF for example are not the descendents of the jews who killed Christ, for they are not jews in the first place.