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- the story takes place in alternative history universe where the barbarian clans from the northern and western Europe have been united under a chieftain whose descendants would declare themselves kings, and later emperors as their territories expand.
- they have ideas like those on the fringe right of today, thinking that all there should be insofar as the government is concerned is only what is strictly necessary for enforcing the rule that any physical interaction with the person (body) or belongings (property) of one of their citizens must be done with their informed voluntary and ongoing consent (the obvious exception being that the government could violate citizen rights for the purposes of ensuring the citizens do not violate the rights of each other, or commit any act against their government, when it is reasonably necessary for them to do so and even then only to the most justifiable extent, this is to preserve the government and maintain stability of order by enforcing the law upon their citizens). To this end the government only involves itself in areas relating to law enforcement and the military (which includes the full justice system, especially the courts and the prisons, which are focused entirely on doing whatever could be done to turn criminals into law abiding citizens who can go back to being productive to the empire and not parasitic, this usually involved treating the victimizers as victims, like patients in a mental hospital requiring rehabilitation to recovery and reintegration, the point was reduction of criminal offenses and not in punishment for its own sake), as well as the collection of taxes to fund these functions.
- there was one law that acted as an exception to the above, which was that any citizen who had been romantically or sexually active with any other male creature (citizenship status, and any other factors aside from biological sex ie their species, age, etc. notwithstanding) would be banished, exiled, expelled from the empire and quarantined away from the rest of the imperial citizenry, along with any other male whom they had interacted with in such a manner, and with all property belonging to any of the exiled parties aside from their landholdings (these lands which could not be transported to the penal colonies would be confiscated by the empire and the banished owners would be monetarily compensated for); the free range penal colony for faggots and the recipients of their pederasty was intentionally placed on good land so that male homosexuals would turn themselves in to be sent away there, rather than hiding themselves from these laws, they would even become one of the most specialized military forces fighting to help conquer neighbouring lands and expand the vastness of the empire, to whom they remained citizens in good standing. Although any attempt to return to the empire was treated as a crime worthy of punishment as harsh as was necessary to deter any future breaches of exile by those sent of the penal colonies.
- the thing is, they have a very strict definition of who counts as citizen; those of the female sex cannot be considered citizens, and those who have yet to become capable of impregnating a female also do not yet count as citizens, leaving only the pubertal and post-pubertal males as citizens of the empire - and there are no laws whatsoever for those who do not qualify as citizens resulting in these individuals being treated as the second category of ownable property belonging to those who do have citizenship status. De jure they exist outside of the laws, de facto they are slaves, whose only legal protections come as a byproduct of the rights of ownership held over them by the citizen they belonged to; these  citizens were usually an older male relative, or a husband (in case of a female that had the ownership over her transferred from the older male relative she had previously belonged to to the man she was married to by the consent of said relative; wives are slaves to their husbands, and marriages in this empire are an acquisition contract from her family, that of female enslavement by their husbands)
- it goes without saying that non-humans entities lack any legal status, and neither would any human that did not meet the imperial standard for citizenship in their appearance; those without pale or fair skin were not citizens, those whose eyes and hair where of black or brown color also would never be citizens, only those individuals whose appearance fit a very strict category could possibly be counted as human beings worthy of legal protection or even mere consideration as afforded to the citizenry. make way for the empire to move in and take the land for themselves.
- aside from this the governmental policy was to be entirely hands off, taxes were a matter of necessity and so they would collect a percentage of the value of lands held by citizens, and further that land could only be held by those who had served in the military, police, or prison guard positions for at least one term, this was even a requirement for qualification to inherit the land from a citizen willing to transfer ownership of it to them after death (no other category of belongings would be restricted from heritability in that way). Why would anyone want to be a landholder? Because, aside from the massive benefits that came with land ownership, only those who held land and paid the tax could vote in the elections, and the elections did things like decide who would govern them locally, and what the tax rates should be set at, and it was the local representatives who vote on who would govern over them, and so on. It was made as easy as possible for any landholding taxpaying citizen to enter an election and become a representative. None could replace the emperor of king, however, as that position was entirely inherited by blood (they could not and would not ever have an empress or queen)
- all in all, there was much freedom, even the documents detailing the system at foundation used language that gave liberty to the (straight white men) citizens by default, and told the government they could do nothing except what the documents explicitly gave them permission to do.

Apologies in advance for the way its written, I hope you could forgive me for any mistakes made, I'm not good at communicating my ideas, but I've worked very hard to come up with this specific combination of policies that I think would be the most beneficial setup for people like myself. I want to hear the criticisms so that my model could be improved upon, or at the very least so that I could make the presentation better than it is. Also I needed a pic to make the thread so I hope you don't mind if it is low quality.
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How can I make this mess more readable?
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>>320498
There is a solution to this problem... a dark solution. But if I told you, you would quake with fear

you'll have to reddit space it
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>>320497 (OP) 
M'kay so here's my critique. I'm a historian. But first here's a map of your civilization, which would be pretty amazing behemoth of an empire.

>Minarchy
Firstly, Celtic and Germanic tribes didn't have modern liberal conceptions of private property. A Germanic tribe, for example, owned land collectively and under a noble or councilor leadership. If your high chieftain wanted to enforce property law, who is he going to protect? The peasant class simply lack the concept of property outside of the home. Land was owned either by the tribe or village itself or by a noble. But not even just one guy, but his family. How do you enforce this? 

Secondly, you bring up prisons. Celts and Germans didn't have prisons. They resolved crimes in two ways
1. Dueling
2. Weregild (if you caused an injury, you had to pay a fine in kind to the victim... or his family if you're a murderer)

Thirdly, we're going to just take for granted that these many different tribes were fiercely independent. For sake of argument, they put aside their differences in a Vercingetorix kind of situation and submit to one authority. The problem is still that, once Rome comes knocking, a government that just barely has enough wealth to get by is still going to get crushed. You'd need a HUGE army to combat Rome. 

Regarding your homosexual army, this is plausible and also one of the most terrifying concepts. I would not want to get captured alive by The Gay Guard

Your sexual laws are plausible and historical. Blue or green eyes as prerequisite to citizenship would be very interesting and would lead to a strengthening of these bloodlines. I'm on board. 

>they could not and would not ever have an empress or queen
I presume you mean as ruler and not that the king is not allowed to marry. 
Assuming this, we will need to avoid feudalism since feudalism inevitably leads to female rulers for many reasons. 
Your direct democracy of male citizens will, contrary to what many on the Right believe, help prevent female rulers since normal men do not want to be ruled by females. Just look at Athens, which was stricter than medieval England with women.
If you really want to prevent females from gaining power, you need to prevent noble families from gaining too much power. If a big family amasses lots of wealth and ends up with only a daughter (eg what happened to the Hapsburgs in the 18th century), you are bound to get nobles who use their wealth to alter the laws and get females to inherit everything.
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>>320497 (OP) 
Woops, forgot my map.
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>>320507
Lazy name, change it
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>>320507
What would you do with owners of this trinket?
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>>320510
To what? No such state existed.

>>320511
Be respectful, I guess. Probably a nobleman or famous warrior.
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>>320512
Most probably an ethnically foreign nobleman or warrior.
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>>320499
reddit spacing doesn't change the readability
>>320513
Really? Where was it found? It's a very unique torc. 
Just did some cursory research as it is new to me and there's no source on the origin of the silver. With silver, often it is melted down and reused so pinning down a specific geologic origin would be tricky. However, the glyphs are pictish and it was discovered close to Pictland. 
Truly fascinating. 
My guess would be either that it belonged to a mercenary of great renown, or, more intriguing, it represents a fleeting bit of evidence of a brief Pictish occupation of a tribe or land south or their recorded territory. Either a migrating tribe that was destroyed or assimilated, or a small band of nobles who conquered a smaller tribe and ruled it for a time before being assimilated or killed.
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I'm not trying to make a work of historical fiction, and I'm sorry if it led with that, what I am trying to do is to design a society that works most optimally for my purposes.

You can learn about how I think from this thread on endchan that I contributed by philosophical outlook to: https://endchan.net/b/res/70729.html#70730

I also wanted to add ideas like how elections would be held, which is by having every voter receive a ballot with multiple ranking slots on them, and being free to put any candidate in the race in any of the slots, multiple candidates can be assigned the same ranking, and any candidate the voter wishes not to rank can go unlisted on their ballot.
Then the candidates are all counted up for how many first place rankings they got from the electorate, and the one with the least is removed from the race and stricken from all the ballots, in the event where a candidate's removal produces a gap in the rankings of a voters ballot, the gap is closed by moving up all the slots below the empty one to fill it in, and thus all slots on the ballot below the one that was cleared are increased in ranking, then the process is repeated until there is only one candidate left on the ballots of the voters who included them, and this candidate is elected the winner.
Another idea I had was for an additional tax in the form of an amount of money that every citizen pays, where they all pay the exact same amount of money on a regularly scheduled  basis, as with the land value tax, this amount is voted upon directly.

I'm not trying to write history, despite how my post began, I'm trying to design an actual system that others could use as their goal.

I did of an interesting way for the warlord to conquer his neighbours and expand his empire. By sending out every even numbered son in terms of birth order from every family into the lands of the next territory over, where they would be instructed to have as many children by the local females as possible, while at the same time forbidding anyone from outside the empire to enter into it and live there, and forbidding any foreigner from marrying one of the empires own people. This conquering them by way of flooding their DNA with the empires genetics and culture over time. Once conquered and assimilated into the empire the process would be repeated to cause the empire to expand.
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>>320782
First explain why an empire would be the most desirable state of affairs for those living in it. Not for its very late descendants having another reason for dick waving far after its dissolving.
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>>321048
I'm asking because the bigger the polity, the bigger its potential fuckups.
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>>321050
And fail-safes and redundancies usually look wasteful enough to be dismantled before proving themselves needed in their absence.
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>>321051
Or they might look wasteful enough to never manifest in the first place. Like the hypothetical system mandating a second, independent study regarding any policy-influencing scientific finding before that policy being implemented. 
Look up patent scope scuffles for another source of headaches. Dueling would not help there, I guess.
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>>320782
>This conquering them by way of flooding their DNA with the empires genetics and culture over time. Once conquered and assimilated into the empire the process would be repeated to cause the empire to expand.
This is a good idea and how many successful empires expanded. Look at how Texas was conquered by this method... or how it's being re-conquered today.

I have a wild seeming, but actually quite grounded suggestion on how to get a new kind of democracy based heavily on Athenian democracy. This system is designed to max patriotism and nationalism. This system is nigh impossible to get functioning on a national scale in a pre-industrial society (eg, your hypothetical 1 million square mile country) due to how difficult it would be for normal people to travel to a single location. However, in today's world, this system would be very stable and easy once it was established.
This system is meticulously designed to absolutely maximize nationalism among every segment of the population and would make the "empire" (actually, it would likely be a ruthlessly homogenous nation) kind of terrifying to be neighbor to. It is also meticulously designed to annihilate party politics, lawyers, media manipulation, and rule by the rich.

So we take your empire and divide it into 100 Massachusetts sized provinces. Each province selects 10 random people. I mean random people via a level lottery. In America, you have a 40% chance of being a lawyer if you are in congress. That's absolute failure of government. In this system, you have an even chance of elevating a farmer or a baker, a construction worker or a rich man. Each province sends its 10 representatives to the Assembly or whatever.
1000 people is a large town. Enough to be very representative of all society but small enough for each member to get to know most other members. They serve for 1 or 2 years and receive a salary and travel expenses. You CAN opt out if you wish. 
This body conducts itself like ancient Athens, a direct democracy of Hyborians, not an oligarchy run by lawyers and politicians. 

Do you see what we have done?
There are no general elections, so party politics is broken. Men debate ideas, not party power.
You have the same chance of being selected as your current politician. Money no longer plays any role in getting elected. 
Hyper nationalism becomes the norm. Within 7 decades, every single person in Hyboria has served in the National Assembly or is related to or is friends with someone who has. With everyone having directly affected the government or being related to someone who has, there is now a sincere vested interest in preserving the nation. The nation becomes an extension of your own family. Immigration would likely be non-existent since importing foreigners who are not related to you is not only base line unpopular with normal people (this is a fact among ALL normal people everywhere on earth. NO ONE likes immigration except the rich) but doing so dilutes your own family's influence.
Laws will now be written by normal people, not lawyers. Therefore, they will remain simple and direct. Normal people also detest rider bills, so each law will be debated on its own merits.
No political class.
The government is represented by its actual people without falling prey to media manipulation through general elections.
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What do we even call hyperboria, political wise?

We could call it "nationalist" because of its racism and imperialism, but the level of misogyny here alone would make the other nationalists on /fascist/ reject it as degenerate.

It gets even worse when we see that this system not only permits p3d0ph174 (fuck the mods and their autobans), incest, cannibalism, necrophilia, bestiality, and other extreme fetishistic activities, it in fact encourages them to become commonplace by how its design was engineered.

Its a gooners paradise, OP admits to be a gurochan gooner, so thats likely intentional, the far right would never accept this.

We could call it "libertarian" then, it certainly has some of the elements of what /liberty/ endorses such as the night watchman state minarchism, the nonaggression principle, the land value tax, and the separation of state from markets.

But all the rest of this shit is stuff the atlas shrigged reading ron paul worshipping libertarians would never even entertain, and would definitely scramble to do damage control on anyone calling this sort of place libertarian.

Its definitely not conservative or liberal, not traditional or progressive, most certainly not communist or anarchistic. It fits nowhere on the political map as far as I could see.

So, what is this hyberborean empire concept? In think its an idea with its roots in addiction to the most depraved and sadistic pornography, being presented as a real political ideology. (The chomo chud straight up admits his inspiration comes from the marquis de sade on his endchan post).

Should we even be taking this gurofags gooner fapping fantasy seriously?
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>>321114
The word you're looking for is Libertine or libertine, rather than libertarianism. Marquis de Sade was libertine, Rapture (which is a manifested form of Atlas Shrugged) was a Libertine city in Bioshock, and so on.
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>>320498
>How can I make this mess more readable?
A good start would be by putting a space between each section that begins with a '-'
No Pl*bbit-spayzing necessary.

That's really all it takes.
>>321114
Misogyny is bad? What?
Sure, women are effectively slaves in this society, but honestly it doesn't seem that bad or unreasonable for them. Women become what children are now: property of the head of household. It's just that in this society, the head of household is one man rather than a man and woman.
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>>321111
>a new kind of democracy based heavily on Athenian democracy. 
<HEAVY DIGITS!

While a true democracy has been tried many times and found faulty, the old Ombudsman system where each smol village has a representative, that meets with a larger regional body, that in turn selects another set of reps for an even larger contingent, and so on... May be a truly scalable method of representation for something like this.
The Greek Kleroterion was a good model for rndomized democracy, but while this had excellent safegaurds against conterfeiting or tampering, this was later found faulty since you always run into the possibility of retards or pay-offs for the elected.
The Greeks took this up after the 
Peloponnesian War, since the danger of populism can steer whole masses to ruin.

https://youtu.be/PbAMAMXCUqU

Our current "purported" Republic system is compromised as well, but if it utilized the Ombudsman system more effectively, and dissallowed the ((( Party ))) system, as well as legislated that ALL Television and Radio broadcasts for a specified time, (2 weeks?,) were dedicated solely to allowing all those who wished to run a platform both to express their positions in an equally given amount of time, and also participate in debates.

NO commercials would be allowed during this election period, and the ONLY other broadcasts allowed would be established educational programming and a brief news report for local areas including weather and other necessary info.
NO punditry, NO commercials, No fluff peices, just a running list of upcoming candidates.
Companion websites would hold saved, UNEDITED, videos of past speakers, as well as debates.

Economic tampering would be tantamount to Treason and those found engaging in it would be HANGED publicly.

Just a thought...
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>>321123
And the desperately poor fathers selling their newborn daughters (who he and his wife had produced for the purpose selling) to a wealthy old man as his "wife" to rape as he pleases and use as a baby factory once she gets old enough to breed?

Ah, just like the good old days. I'm sure the natsocs would be positively thrilled at that. 

The fucktard OP is a gurofag map who likes to touch little girls, he's admitted it in his endchan rant. 

OP is due for the woodchipper, I'm so out.

PS: His idea for white supremacy worldwide is "racemix globally" the BLEACHED meme is a psyop, this is bullshit. MODS!
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>>321124
Thankyou very much for the lecture, I'll listen to it while I work.

I must make a major caveat tho.
Many people say, "Athenian democracy failed" but never elaborate. People have this idea that Athenians had a democracy, then because of demagoguery, it just collapsed and either transformed into perpetual tyranny or that Athens was conquered. Closer examination of history shows that this is only true if you squint really hard.

First, let us consider Athenian Democracy itself: Simply put, 'Athens was fucking jacked'. Athens was able to mobilize on a scale that wasn't rivaled until the Roman Empire or even Republican France. They regularly raised massive armies and fleets. Even during their darkest hour (which I'll go over soon), they could just rebuild their entire military and go on to crush the enemies. Athenian democracy was one of the most fearsome forces in history. Furthermore, it was very popular among non-elite Greeks. Athens frequently was able to stage revolutions in neighboring states and take over their government. Athens repeatedly took on the entire Persian Empire and won. Even when they lost, their campaigns were absolutely ludicrously huge in scale for a small city state. And Athens underwent losses that would have destroyed Sparta or Thebes and just bounced back like it was nothing. For example, Athens once got a force of 50,000 men fucking obliterated and they were like, "yup, raise another army." 
Meanwhile, Sparta would frequently sue for peace after even tiny losses. They were incredibly fragile while Athens was able to just field army after army with no issue.

Secondly, let's address what "failure" even means. 
Athens was a pretty radical democracy for most of the early Classical era and dominated Greece. Sparta was the traditional Hegemonic power and after a war where Athens experienced privation that would have broken Sparta 10 times over, they surrendered and got their government replaced by the Tyranny of 30. There's more nuance but effectively, the death of Athenian Democracy was like the death of National Socialism. It was imposed by enemies upon Athens.
But instead of remaining dead, pro-democracy forces literally regained control after only a single year. Athens remained a democracy, more or less, until they submitted to Macedon but even then, the Athenians ended up ousting the Macedonian dictator and ruled themselves more or less until Rome conquered Athens and the democratic government gradually died.
What failure?

Third, I'll actually highlight major failings of Athenian democracy so that we may see if they're really all that ridiculous.
1. They were absolutely war crazy. The Athenian electorate (Male citizens) frankly were overconfident in their ability to sustain campaigns far from home. Particularly their campaigns in Egypt and Sicily were just bonkers, but it goes to show just how confident its people were.

2. Sicily. "Alcibiades was a slick talkin' southern lawyer and he convinced the dumb Athenians to declare war on Sicily while they were already at war with Sparta. What dweebs"
Yes and no. Alcibiades was definitely a demagogue. However, Athens was at truce with Sparta at the time and given the fragility of Sparta and the dynamism of Athens, opening up another front was not as insane as it is often put. It's certainly no less crazy than Germany declaring war on the USSR in 1941. 
But that campaign did end poorly, very poorly. And for that, we may judge Athens and its fickle public. Perhaps they should have focused their energy on wiping out Sparta first, then conquered Sicily. Maybe Napoleon should have wiped out the UK before attacking Russia. Hindsight is cruel like that.

3. The Arginusae Incident.
Yes, it seems pretty clear in hindsight that voting to execute 6 of your top commanders after a victorious battle is pretty stupid. This is a great example of democracy producing bad results. But we must remember that people are naturally very conservative and what these commanders did was the equivalent of sacrilege to the public. 

4. Their lack of interest in peace treaties.
Athenians liked war. Sparta would have just surrendered after suffering major defeats but the Athenians were like Germany or Japan or Napoleonic France. They just would not surrender. Perhaps they should have accepted Sparta's many offers of white peace. But if they had won the war, as they easily could have, we wouldn't think that, would we. Frankly, I think this speaks highly of Athenian Democracy and how jacked it was. I think that Athens just had bad diplomats. They were blunt, haughty, and demanded either total surrender or eternal war.

5. They killed Socrates! 
Yeah, that was pretty savage, ngl. We must remember that Socrates was executed for essentially being an annoying atheist. Not a good look but he was a rebel. Sparta would have executed him WAY before Athens though. In fact, consider this: Virtually all the great philosophers you can name were Athenians. Can you name a single Spartan? Nope. They didn't produce any. I wonder why.
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>>321124
Oh wait, this isn't a full lecture. I'll find the full one.
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>>321131
>"it doesn't matter how old she is when you start, within two years of consistently stretching out her cunny she's safe to take an adult size dick. It's best to begin the process when she's young enough not to remember the initial penetration and her healing factor is maxxed" - OP ITT in another post on a different site.

>>321119
Marquis de Sade was a sick fuck who wrote books about newborn infant girls being raped for the lulz. He was a sick fuck who pretended to be a philosopher. When the French revolution burned his books the only ones that survived where the ones with sicko porn in them.
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>>321133
Okay, I'll admit that's not a very good look for OP.
Theoretically talking about women being non-citizens is one thing, but little girls getting raped is crass and unbecoming. Who would ever allow his daughter to be raped at 8 years old?
Nice dubadubs, btw
>>321138
>discussing cunny grabbing at 36 months out of the womb
We definitely have a talmud-abiding, Niddah 45a and Ketubot 11b loving rabbi in this thread.
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>>321133
>Marquis de Sade was a sick fuck who wrote books about newborn infant girls being raped for the lulz. He was a sick fuck who pretended to be a philosopher. When the French revolution burned his books the only ones that survived where the ones with sicko porn in them.
I'm aware. The correct term remains libertine to describe him and similar people, not libertarian or liberal. The other anon was struggling to identify the label, but correctly inferred that it was closely related, having elements of them and a similar name.
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>>321142
Did you arrive in the imageboards after 2013? Just asking.

I don't get what you are referring to, I'm guessing a part of the Talmud that says its not a crime to touch a child or something?

I'm the one you are responding to and I'm not Jewish at all. Not even a little bit, I've never read the talmud, either.

Ancestry wise I've been cleared even by a company that tells people without Jewish DNA they have got Jewish DNA as a lie (23&me).

Practice wise I know nothing about Jews aside from bagels being a Jew food, and it learned that recently. I don't like bagels and I can't get who others enjoy them.

I do know mostly about Jews in terms of what the national socialists of /pol/ have taught me, and a few things I discovered on my own.

Needless to say I'm not a fan, and would think the world would be better of without them.

But what I do know is biology and as someone with a dick that got jewd as a baby, I learned about expanding skin and muscle tissues with constant pressure.

I also know about how foids who use tampons or dildoes experience expansion as a result of the stretching.

And I know its easier to do the younger you are because you can heal better and you are more elastic and you can withstand and recover from more damage.

And I know that the first memories that last form at about three years of age, everything before that is short term only.

Pregnant women who give birth and landwhales who lose the weight end up with the excess skin because of the same principle of the body existing to accommodate expansion.

Your body grew bigger by the same principle, as well, your skeleton grew and the skin and muscles and other tissues expanded to accommodate them.

Of course I also know of trannies dilating their wounds to make sure they heal improperly, but that's not a real orifice so the same principles don't apply here.

Its all just science you'd learn in highschool biology (aside from the tranny shit).
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>>321148
I've been using imageboards before you were formed in your dad's balls. Secondly, quite the opposite: it's the passages (among many) explicitly stating that children below the ages of three or six are acceptable sexual partners for grown men. You didn't think all the talk about jews were just memes, did you?
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>>321152
Retard thinks 4chan was some pedo consensus "eutopia" back in 2003 because he wasn't actually there.
>>321154
Retard thinks that intentionally switching targets makes a good bait.
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>>321159
Non-sequitur
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>>321129
>OP is due for the woodchipper, I'm so out.
kek
>picrel
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>>321132
Yeah, I tend to try not to poast long YT links in threads, as they can often derail an active discussion.
Good luck surfing the Intarrweebs, YT is so fuggin' packed with AISLOP these days, it's like searching for an electron on the sun.
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>>321154
>...Now THIS is Pilpul!...
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>>321165
I don't know how you think it's pilpul unless you think I am addressing who I am responding to rather than agreeing with them and calling OP a retard.
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>>321166
Whomever was just sliding around, slippery like snot, changing the argument to another as soon as they had no more reasonable retort.
That is to whom I was referring.
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>>321170
I don't know what you're going on about. I'm just sick and tired of deranged pedophiles using "serious life or death political discussion" as window dressing to get a foot in the door for their real agenda.
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>>321172
>to get a foot in the door for their real agenda.
I'm sick of it too.
I don't think we're at odds here, but I leave off, as I may have misunderstood something.
>>321152
>Secondly, quite the opposite

How is that "quite the opposite" from what he said? He guessed it was a part of the Talmud that said touching kids was okay.

That sounds like its not in opposition to what you said at all. Maybe I'm missing something here.
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>>321142
>Baleeted

Sounds like he really rustled up some Jannie jimmies.
>>321154
Nobody thinks that early 4chan had any consensus, that was the thing that made it beautiful.
There were a lot of different groups of people on early 4chan because it was a brand new site with a brand new format, and I can absolutely confirm that one of the many groups among those were the propedo crowd.
They weren't a big group, and certainly not very well liked, but they were definitely there, the implication of your post that there weren't is a sign you don't know what you are talking about or you are being dishonest.
The sites mods here are very strongly opposed to anyone speaking of propedo points, as evidenced by their removal whenever they are posted, even though its usually only text.
A podcaster I once listened to, I think it may have been asmongold, had said that he think the gooners are going to be the new counterculture, and he made a good point in that they are the best at thinking for themselves.
But they are far from united politically, nevertheless the lost extreme of them the b&anon tend to be the most hated on the altchans, they are more despised than the ones posting ads to actual csam on /b/, mainly because of the things they say.
Trust nothing and nobody, assume your altchan is being managed by Jew aligned teams dedicated to psyoping you into holding one set of ideas and away from holding anything different inside your head.
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>>321239
I'd say 'touching kids' is not a sin (not condemned) is quite different from 'raping kids below the ages of six' is condoned. They're very different. The talmud makes it clear that it's the latter between rabbinical argument.
<but the context!
Oh fine, we'll include that along with several study editions of the Babylonian Talmud.
<but selective verses!
Fine, we'll include fourteen similar verses in their appropriate context and on the same topic as a cross-reference.
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>>321242
What do you think I'm trying to argue here?

>I'd say 'touching kids' is not a sin (not condemned) is quite different from 'raping kids below the ages of six' is condoned.

How? The guy guessed that there were words in the Talmud (which he has not read, but you have) that said it was allowed for them to touch kids.

You're saying "no, there's words in the Talmud that condone it" which sounds to me like his guess was spot on.

The rest of this post sounds like a schizo who argues against things nobody said. Perhaps you are anticipating arguments? That's a good thing to do, but you should be making it clear what you think it is that your opponent is trying to say.

In this case you got it completely wrong, he wasnt saying anything that I think you think he was saying.

He's made arguments, but not the ones you assume he's made, the arguments that got deleted never once denied that Jews were child rapists, in fact if you had read them before they got deleted, his post made that a part of the premise he was working off of.

I won't repeat them here, but they were good arguments that had to be removed because they were  perhaps convincing and the mods got upset by them, assumed there could be no adequate response to them, and purged it to give the impression nothing intelligent was said. They do this whenever the topic comes up.

I understand it makes discourse difficult. You have to make assumptions and educated guesses.
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>>321264
See >>321170
>>321264
I did actually misread it on closer inspection, you are correct. The bit about implying I was a post-2013 newnigger as an opener annoyed me, I misinterpreted it as trying to pilpul and dismiss the talmud's contents. The deleted posts about pro-pedophilia further impaired comprehension, since I didn't read the deleted ones. My fuck up.
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>>321268
>And I know its easier to do the younger you are because you can heal better and you are more elastic and you can withstand and recover from more damage.
What is here to misinterpret? What's implied is unnecessary for anyone without specific agenda.
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>>321270
I misinterpreted the section of his comment about the talmud not saying it's okay to touch kids, when in fact he was correctly deducing that's what the passages say. I don't agree with the rest of the argument, but I was wrong in jumping the gun by assuming that's what he was getting at (saying they don't and dismissing them).
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>>321271
I wish I had enough patience to spare.
>>321241
Ban-evading nigger, shut the fuck up. You are a porn-addicted freak of nature who wants to harm children. You aren't a rebel. You make posts advocating to legalize child pornography like you're Ghislaine Maxwell on Reddit.
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>>321302
Did ghlisane maxwell make arguments to legalize csam on reddit? I don't use reddit so I don't know.
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>>321489
She was a power moderator overseeing almost all the major subreddits. People forget that the two major Reddit CEOs including that one chink that got ousted had a pedophile father that fucked her / she internalized it by being pro-pedo. So, yes to answer your question.
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>>321489
Here...
This may help:
>pic 1
She was also laundering $$ through a crypto for "Payments" there.
Off-Topic, but a utopia for Whites would include NO jEWS
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>>321497
Thanks!
And I agree, my eutopia would have no Jews, the world it exists on would be free of the kikles as well.

Does not change how I feel about the way our society should behave with regard to the female sex.
The only good utopia is a utopia without niggers there the sub-sahara, sahara, and the africa continental area in general are used for lebenshraum for either aryans or Japanese.
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>its ghislghailalinane gossip hours!
no, its not. dad go to church
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>>321957
Agreed, as you could read in the op, my empire would be expansionist and carry out the extermination of the breeds and subspecies of human that carry an overabundance of eumelanic pigmentation
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>>321961
Zoomer, turn off your phone. And it's Sunday, so you ought to go with your dad to church.
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>>321979
Kek!
>so you ought to go with your dad to church.
Maybe...
These days it might just be ((( Perpetuation ))) of the ((( hegemony )))

>>321978
Appreciate the In-thread namefagging.
Makes it easier doesn't it?
>>320506
>Regarding your homosexual army, this is plausible and also one of the most terrifying concepts. I would not want to get captured alive by The Gay Guard
Mein wat de fak? Lol quirky
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>>322066
The point isn't to have an army of faggots, its to not have faggots within the empire. T

rying to kill or imprison them locally will only produce an underground that eats away at the root. You can't tell who is a fag on sight as well so you'd be stuck in reaction to crimes happening all around you.

The best solution is to find a place for them to be where they don't cause issues within society, and to make it a place they want to go to so that they turn themselves in for banishment or exile.

You strike me as a brain dead newfag.

Who am I kidding? It's all newfaggots now.

I hate to see how bad IBs have gotten.

My ideas come from one place, and that is what is of the greatest benefit to the genes I have the greatest regard for, which are low eumelanic features like pale or fair skin, purple or green eyes, yellow or red hair, along with anything else that isn't black or brown colored skin eyes and hair.

Id also want them to be not of Jewish ethnicity as well.

There's a long chain of ethical reasoning that arrives at this.

I started from a Christian morality (because that's how I grew up) and followed a trail of "why?" Down to the root of what everyone's morality ends up being, which is the biological imperative selfishly pursued by each of our genes.

Genes want to replicate, and want there to be as many copies of themselves as possible, in the same sense that an object with mass wants to follow the straightest path through the curvature of spacetime (such as a rock falling towards the earth, dye to gravitational forces) or in the same sense of a magnet being drawn towards another magnet of opposite charge.

And by zooming out from there, we have the evolutionary process itself converging towards an ultimate goal of a lifeform that is most fit to most environments. Probably one that can make themselves fit to any environment or make any environment fit to themselves.

That would be the most highly technologically advanced organisms, of which humans are the best candidate out if the species of earth, and of which the white race has shown the most promise.

And the biggest factor here (especially in the modern day) is not intelligence but looks, appearance, sexual selection. That's the most important things, and as technology improves its only going to get more important.

Even in war the things that used to benefit us like being smart or strong have lost value because we can eliminate each other from long range with little effort mentally or physically. Money too is of negligible value compared to being physically attractive.

White people are one of the most appealing looking races out there, preferred by all others (next to their own), and this is important particularly among white males, as the male sex is going to need to rely more on looks than the female sex due to how males must be the pursuers and females must be selectors.

Unless we remove the ability of the female to select. We will continue to see the distribution as it is today.

The ideas expressed here are the end state of maximal in group favoritism, the op has gone hard as he could to max out tribalism, he's clearly taken notes from bill Hamilton on kin selection.

Maximal white supremecy, maximal homophobia/transphobia, maximal misogyny, maximal xenophobia. This is the result of all "hate" being maxxed out, and applied strategically (educated by historical events)

Stability is the goal, not everyone being optimally happy all the time. Its the greatest middle finger to the modern era and its mentality.

And you all despise it because its offensive to you. You got caught up in how the misogyny when at the highest levels would naturally allow for some degenerate conditions.

Why not just make a modification to this that would limit or remove the parts you find offensive?
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>>322200
Give legal status to little girls until they turn a certain age and become women, then take it all away. Would that work?
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