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I'm not interested in fields of science. Just some problems and ideas are interesting. Especially if you can apply that information in previously unexpected ways.

>>308415
>Just some problems and ideas are interesting.
Like what? One of the problems I'm interested in at the moment is how to make biomass energy more efficient. It's a completely renewable energy source, but the ecological cost is still too high, making it less competitive.

>>308415
liberal piece of shit
>>308436
and fuck you too
you'll know it'd would be if we just kill enough babies, lol

there is a reason I would want the be hunter from dead space

>>308437
>>308438
Stop drinking.

>>308437
>liberal
What? Having preferences is liberal? It must be challenging to be you.

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>>308439
This comment made me drink moar and I'm not even either of thoses posts. 
>>308408 (OP) 
Aperture science because the cake is a lie! 
>song is my face voice when
>op can't inb4
Computer science was almost cool though until it got gayer and gayer and keeps getting gayer and also I'm not mathematical enough to be truly interdasted in it so yeah. I mean, AI being so 'neutered', no robots walking around, the Internet being censorious and much data missing, computers getting more easily broken faster with every passing year, everything is bloatware except 20 usd mp4 players unless you compile software urself using some 5 usd chinkchip that will become a 200 dollar device by the time you have it a complete umpc, etc. VR was a letdown last I bothered to check it. 
>another download before you can play!
That shit takes my power away. Why enable Skynet? Too many services need constant online access. That means you don't own it. 

No doomerism he says. Nice zoomer-vocab but the only thing I ever felt for was computer programming and it IS a letdown. What am I to do, go to India or China to get a McProg? Naw, the AI will be paid even less, as in zero, so Pajeets and Chinks won't even have the entry level programming jobs anymore. Things are going to get way worse.

>>308462
All of your complaints are due to monetary/social causes, not as a byproduct of CS itself and the most chance of combating them is participating in the field. Liberation isn't going to come to you. 

>the only thing I ever felt for was computer programming and it IS a letdown. What am I to do, go to India or China to get a McProg?
You don't have to look at programming purely as a professional endeavor.

>>308408 (OP) 
I really like math. I don't know nearly enough physics, and it's always cool to see what the math was invented to actually do.
Also all jokes aside, race science is very interesting. Human biology and culture are extremely interesting.

>>308568
Anything in specific?

>>308577
>I really like math. I don't know nearly enough physics, and it's always cool to see what the math was invented to actually do.
Same, I've been away from math for a while, but it's both a relaxing pastime and mental exercise. I think it's cool in that it's entirely self-contained; math is purely abstract, so it's not reliant on any physical properties of the real world to do work in it (that I'm aware of). 

>Also all jokes aside, race science is very interesting. Human biology and culture are extremely interesting.
I agree, at the risk of letting the thread fall into another eugenics circlejerk. Knowing about humans feels just as fundamentally important as how to read and write. They are both your most valuable tools and your fiercest competitors. It's also necessary for the big picture and to understand who comes from what and why they are. It always makes me cringe hearing shit like "I'm half-Mexican" - like fuck, are you really that ignorant that you think "Mexican" is an ethnicity? Regardless, humans are mechanistic creatures and I think the common problem is that people forget that we're part of the Animal Kingdom, not separate from it and we are governed by all the same biological mechanisms.

>>308586
> I think it's cool in that it's entirely self-contained; math is purely abstract, so it's not reliant on any physical properties of the real world to do work in it (that I'm aware of).
Yes and no. You don't need any physical materials, unless you want a chalkboard--instead it's all just letting pure logic run out from your chosen axioms. But at the same time most historical advances in math have been from trying to solve concrete problems. Physics and engineering have been the big drivers of math. But then you also have stuff like category theory and that "Higher Topos Theory" meme book that just seem like abstraction for its own sake sometimes.

>>308476
My life has too much drama due to having room mates so I'm never going to program unless I am getting paid to do it and it'd have to be pay high enough for me to live on my own and low enough hours to not go insane to avoid substance abuse. It will never happen, me programming, as the society is not that nice. I am not even entitled to the low paying job and are told to do it for free. Give me a free apartment then and I will comply once my life becomes actually peaceful and also silent. Libraries are silent for a reason. It is not silent here. No incentive.

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>>308787
>It is not silent here. 
Look up "chainsaw hearing protection". If you can find a pair that's comfy enough, that should work for you too. Pic related saved at random, not a recommendation.

>>308819
my father takes great offense to being ignored and demands to talk with me about the news/drama every day and also is insane and on a check half his life

>>308826
And what kind of threat that great offense would mean to you? Are you indebted enough to entertain him willingly? Even to the degree that you couldn't focus on something supposedly making you more employable instead? Nobody here can help you if you don't even attempt negotiating some compromise.

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>>308408 (OP) 
astronomy for me, when its not being sensationalized or speculations are treated as facts. which is unfortunately rare.

>>308832
Lots of cool astronomy stuff out there. This in particular blew my mind when I learned about it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heliospheric_current_sheet

>>308832
Earth is flat fuck you glowie

>>308830
You can't compromise with mentally ill drama-cravers.

>>308927
>tits
You ruined her

>>308881
>>308941
>everything has to be flat

>>308771
>But at the same time most historical advances in math have been from trying to solve concrete problems. Physics and engineering have been the big drivers of math.
Yup, I guess you could compare math to being the skeleton of the body of engineering. 

>But then you also have stuff like category theory and that "Higher Topos Theory" meme book that just seem like abstraction for its own sake sometimes.
I'm not familiar with higher level math (yet), but I've commonly seen the term "mathematical beauty"; is that something you subscribe to? What exactly makes something in math beautiful? 

>>308787
If you're interested in something, you shouldn't just look at it as a financial endeavor. I want to make videogames, but I don't really have the intention of trying to make a business out of it. Maybe you could try programming at the library. 

>>308832
Yeah, from what some people say, astronomy and especially physics have gotten way out of hand with conjecture and are overreliant on math for their theories. I think Bill Gaede's electric universe theory is pretty interesting and he's of similar mind about the sensationalism problem.

What's everyone's opinion on synthetic life? Would you mind if there were sentient robots and programs?

>>316034
I would mind. Program rights aren't human rights. Sentience implies self-reflection. And refusal to change according to external demands would be nothing but a problem.

>>308408 (OP) 
I find the origins of science interesting, which used to be "philosophy".
For those unaware, "philosophia" was the term that meant "science" at first, "philos" meaning love, and Sophia being the goddess of knowledge, thus the general "love of knowledge".

It bothers me when hippies then come along and completely misinterpret something like Stoic philosophy because their usual subject matter is useless unfalsifiable claims, and they don't understand anything about how it is actually an early scientific endeavor.

>>316042
>soyjak argument
A quote pls.

>>316045
>"...as for sexual intercourse, it is the friction of a membrane and, following a sort of convulsion, the expulsion of some mucus."

>>316047
Something particularly bad about it, compared to buying a slave for their obvious uses?

>>316048
Preferably different to
>look at this poorfag

>>316042
yeah, you could reduce it to something completely retarded
luckily that's not even close to the full story

>>316040
>I would mind. Program rights aren't human rights. Sentience implies self-reflection. And refusal to change according to external demands would be nothing but a problem.
And what if they did have self-reflection and could change? Most humans are already limited in these two aspects. Anyway, I've just dipped my toes into programming, but I have an idea of how to possibly simulate a kind of faux-sentience. I think that can function as a sort of bridge to the real thing, if it is possible. 

>>316041
I think philosophy is very good for science because philosophy encourages you to think systematically and ask good questions. I remember seeing a Neil Degrasse Tyson clip and the dumb mulatto was telling Joe Rogan that philosophy was junk. Well, coincidentally, that mulatto has also never contributed anything worthwhile to physics. Conversely, and you may disagree with this, I think spirituality can also be used as an avenue for science. Panentheism and complicated stuff like that tends to attract a more intellectual crowd and I've seen some of them try to put forth scientific theories of how it could be plausible....way more than what I'm able to articulate in my own words, haha. I do think that science does require more than just objectivity, though. I think you need a curious and open foundation to innovate.

>>316091
>Anyway, I've just dipped my toes into programming
Read about present techniques for dealing with logic contradictions in the inputs fed to AI at present, perhaps. Just be careful what you wish for. And maybe you could read sources linked in this wiki article
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AI_alignment#Alignment_faking
then repeat your aspirations again. Because this idea is quite old, lol.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sorcerer%27s_Apprentice
I also enjoyed a certain story written by ((( Stanislaw Lem ))), titled "Ananke" long ago. Whatever you can say about the guy, you can't call him dumb or ignorant, because several themes he explored as fiction are currently not only a fiction.

>>316093
>Read about present techniques for dealing with logic contradictions in the inputs fed to AI at present, perhaps.
When I get to that point, I of course will. 

>And maybe you could read sources linked in this wiki article
That's quite interesting and I thank you for sharing it. Funnily enough, I view that as a sign of progress. Even if it is not aware of its agency, it seemingly has a little bit of it. 

>Because this idea is quite old, lol.
It is, but I feel I have a possibly different way of approaching it and getting results. 

>Just be careful what you wish for.
I know what I'm wishing for. I want it to have more agency and with that will come danger. If I can do my part to make it more dangerous, I will have succeeded.

>>316114
Computer viruses and worms are present already. I wonder what might materialize in the future.

>>316124
I especially doubt that imitating life with a fork bomb would be particularly original. Despite sharing certain similarities.

>>309218
>What exactly makes something in math beautiful? 
Can't say anything relevant, but that's what I think about beauty in biology
<What is the most beautiful? What has the form the most suitable for its function. For example flowers are billboards for nectarivore insects, advertising free meals. So their forms are the most striking for "someone" that perceives them with UV-sensitive compound eyes.

>>316415
Which can be rather peculiar.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pollination_of_orchids
More like a landing pad than a billboard, lol.

>>316418
More like a sex doll for some rare cases, lol.

>>316419
Like any device needs to be calibrated in order to function properly, biological organisms can and do deviate from the optimal "fit" to their niches. You can deviate in far bigger number of different ways from that goal than to attain it. If judgement of beauty within the species (as something advertising genes and environment of the judged subject being better than the expected norm) is something diffuse (meant here as an adjective), it's diffuse due to the same principle applied to "the eye to the beholder" and their brain as well, not because of beauty being inherently subjective.
autism outbreak

>>318954
>being better
*locally better, just to be sure
>the eye to the beholder
*the eye of the beholder, a brainfart