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How can we deprogram abrahamists? What should every abrahamic fascist know about their religion? What is the best way to get abrahamists out of our nations and communities? How can we explain that abrahamism is incompatable with a White National Socialist ethnostate?

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by reading the books you see how retarded they are
Old testament should do it for itself, if any not-jew objectively reads the thing to discover the "holy men" are all low-brow scumbags by and large. For the new testament, I just learned that king Herod was dead four years before Christ was even born, according to an Emil Schurer who devoted a large portion of his academic career to studying the jews around the time of "Christ's ministry," such as it were. That did it for me, since anyone ordering a bunch of babies under 2 to be slaughtered because one particular baby got away is insane, and hebrews are known far and wide for having quite the imaginations when it comes to heaping false depravities on individuals who didn't deign to bend the knee to them. 
Which is something the actual King Herod was known for, by the way, as he made his career hunting bandits in that region, most of whom were undoubtably dirty little kikes, and so by and large was hated by them, and vice versa.
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>>47
Emil Schürer, that is.
>>47
you do realize most Christan's don't even bother with the old testament reading just radicalizes Christians against kikes imao the whole thing is one big pile of kike crimes and why god has punished them
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>>92
Three-fourths of Mainline Protestants disagree with you, I grew up around these freaks and they all constantly talk about the OT if religion is even mentioned, it does not and never has radicalized any christnigger against kikes, it's there to reinforcer the ((( Chosen ))) narrative.
Ya mainline most of them believe in god but don't even touch a bible once in their lifetime they can get nitpick bible quotes all they want but Jews are not the chosen people the old testament jew muh chosen people porn
>>8 (OP) 
For any persons who are ardently against Abrahamics, I have found sources that can shore up your arguments.

A pertinent website regarding the scholarship of the bible: https://archive.ph/jO9O5

Russel Gmirkin is the author's name. The premise of his works is such; the Old Testament originates from Septuagint texts written by Jews during the period 270 - 250 B.C. Owing to their vicinity to Hellenic states, they drew primarily from Plato's work, particularly Timaeus and the Law, to conjure up a semi-historical framework for the 'Chosen' Jews to abide by.

https://archive.ph/hi6Bw
>Plato's Timaeus and the Biblical Creation Accounts

https://archive.ph/K643E
>Plato and the Creation of the Hebrew Bible

This is a website dealing with the origins of YHWH as a figure belonging to a polytheistic pantheon that was worshipped on the Elephantine Islands
https://archive.ph/GYpw7
>Reconstructing the Pantheon of Judean Elephantine

Here are some articles written by Laurent Guyénot in regards to Zionism, the Torah, and Yahweh:

https://archive.ph/GfGsS
Zionism, Crypto-Judaism, and the Biblical Hoax

https://archive.ph/0SpMP
The Devil's Trick: Unmasking the God of Israel

https://archive.ph/6DfUE
The Holy Hook
Yahweh’s Trojan Horse into the Gentile City

https://archive.ph/ZQ5tV
How Yahweh Conquered Rome
Christianity and the Big Lie

https://archive.ph/ivQwH
Israel as One Man: A Theory of Jewish Power

https://archive.ph/cnTJ4
The Arabian Cradle of Zion
Moses, Muhammad, and Wahhabo-Zionism

Bonus: Two articles that feature some serious schizoposting and a much more esoteric take on the Bible's scholarship and the inauthenticity of Zionism. Also features Qaballah heavily alongside Nordic mythology.
https://archive.ph/Jj8yL
https://archive.ph/GkDk

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>>92
Anon, the OT either does not truly encourage or has failed numerously to spread hostility against jews. Christians could read the testaments a hundred times and their attitudes will either still be neutral or sympathetic. The problem here is that Christian theology is totally blind to race and sees it that jews and Aryans are of the same tribe, therefore judaism is not a separate from Europeans, but both races descend from Abraham despite their cultural differences and religion. In the esoteric sense, Christianity will always be jewish no matter how much they claim to different. Everything they believe come from people who are of the tribe as the jews.
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>>116
not a troll but has anyone read satanisgod.org? what about the locked vatican bible?
also why does ((( fedschan ))) push religion so hard /pol/? is christianity actually kiked by design?
im agnostic yet i hate jews and thier degeneracy im not one of those C0$ shoving loons
>>125
Do you follow the bullshit from Satanisgod.org?
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>>125
>push religion so hard /pol/
new fag detected
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>>248
it was fedschan they also had /matomo/ enabled at one point

>>128
no i just saw it on 4chan long ago i have no idea what is real and what is not
>How can we deprogram abrahamists?
By getting active and making things happen. Once we have a strong core of white men and women living in truth and riding the tiger, it won't matter what people are programmed for.
>How can we explain that abrahamism is incompatible with a White National Socialist ethnostate?
Simple - it's the same old Jewish shit where everyone is guilty of sin until the holy Jew, conscience of the goyim, forgives them. A religion focused on recruiting the weak with promises of equality before an absent jewish god has no place in a life-loving, healthy and truthful Aryan society.
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>>248
We're all fags here.
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>>281
this is so true and no projection
Just enslave them
Send the men bombs
Womens

How hard could it be
Will let japan have korea if we redo sino jp conflict
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I wonder if the anon who posted lot about Zero (polytheism) vs One (monotheism) is here, I always appreciated his high-quality effortposts. It's a shame 16chan went down so quickly that not enough was archived, Atleast we have this archived page here, Here's a sense of what his posts were like:
https://archive.ph/9lOGv
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>>379
I remember getting into a long convo with that anon. I drew a doodle to try to capture the idea of Aryan souls transcending the demiurge/One, pic related (I wonder if a swastika in the middle would be better?)
iirc he also said that the Genesis account was based on misunderstood ancient glyphs that were really about the fall of Atlantis, eg the flaming sword wasn't literal, but represented all-out warfare. interesting stuff
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christian lolcow raiding tvch and other sites of webring is a cuck after all.
>>8 (OP) 
In the short term, there's only so much we can do. We lack the kind of institutional power the enemy has, such as the media and academia. Christianity is dying out, but only to be replaced by something even more gay and jewish, effectively erasing anything that was redeeming (anything that was European) about Christianity. 
For now, we can do our best to show white christians the very jewish and anti-white problems with their theology, but at the same time we also need to offer up some alternative lest they fall into secularism. We could try and retvrn to old European faiths or maybe start something new based off of them. 
When we get into actual power is when we can really start to make a difference. This is where we will have the institutional power to spread our new theology (whatever that ends up being) while denying that institutional power to the church. The normie normally follows whoever he pecieves to be the strongest. We can see this from how quickly they drop their "christian values" to move up in the social heirarchy. We won't have to genocide or persecute christians, just need keep them out of power. Just like pagan normies of ancient times dropped their traditions and converted to christianity, I believe the christians and the secularists will just as quickly drop theirs in order to "get with the times" and move up in the social heirarchy. Think of it as a sort of "Trickle-down" effect where those lower in the social heirarchy adopt the traditions and customs of those higher on the social hierarchy in order to be favored and celebrated by those leaders. Within a century, the only ones remaining will be small pockets of "true believers", which we can then contrive some outrage to do away with altogether. That is how paganism was killed by christianity, it's how Christianity is being killed by secularism, and it's how we will kill abrahamist mind-virus altogether.
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>>125
>satanisgod.org
That domain belongs to Joy of Satan Ministries, a neopagan-ufo-nordic-luciferian weird cult. They're fucking creepy and most members are degenerates and retards, but they have some good arguments against Christianity.
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>>714
Indeed, they are from the Joy of Satan. I have followed them in the past, they have a decent amount of information that exposes the christkike hoax and the fact that Judeo-Christian demons are just ancient Pagan gods turned into monsters to adoctrinate pagan gentiles into submission to Abrahamic religionn through fear propaganda ("Oy vey, goy is worshipping demons, you are going to get demon-posessed, embrace christianity NOW!") might enlighten a few Abrahamists into leaving their Jewish religion to return to their Pagan roots or might also radicalize them even more, it depends. But the whole nordic alien nazi UFO in Antarctica shit kept me away from it becaue it is just too schizo, also it is cringy how they refer to the "RTR" (Reverse Torah Rituals) as if they were killing Jews telepathically or something like that when they are just drawing hebrew letters in a paper, doing some weird scribble over them and then erasing them. The meditations they have are a little meh. In general I would recommend to use it as a source to get anti-christian and pro-pagan material, but not join them.
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>>384
I am back, I will probably make another thread in here. Missed this board.
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>>822
Don't you know that the Talmud was created WAYYY after Christianity, you dumb nigger?
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>>837
You mean someone decided to make a collection/commentary of beliefs and practices established long before that?
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>>822
Welcome back! I wanted to ask you on your thoughts on Procopius's "The Secret History" detailing the degenerate state of Byzantine society as well the disgusting actions of Justinian and his whore wife whom funnily enough reminds me of Shillary Clinton and Ghislaine Maxwell for which 'Orthodox' christcucks deny it and seethe about it's existence, calling it 'propaganda'.
I'll post a link to it, It is interesting that near the end of the video he mentions connections of Druids with Magi.
https://invidious.snopyta.org/watch?v=PehCn_3kyw4
>>850
That video it's pretty good. It's funny how Justinian's whore wife was canonized as an "Orthodox Saint".
>>384
>Aryan souls transcending the demiurge/One
First off, the Demiurge is not the One, as the Demiurge is one hypostasis away from the One; secondly, nothing transcends the One, as unity is the minimal condition for anything to be said to exist; finally, a union or reversion to the One itself would be transcendence, at least transcendence to contingent existence.
>Genesis account was based on misunderstood ancient glyphs that were really about the fall of Atlantis
I'm not sure what inkling illiterate, semi-nomadic goat-herders could have of a myth that Plato literally invented for the purposes of dialogue; all sources for Atlantis depend on Plato and everything else is projection from people who were also inspired by Plato to sail the world in search for Atlantis.
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>>850
I will look into it

>>892
Demiurge is a conscious manifestation of One, a "god" (inherent principles rooted in monadic schema, commensurate topological potential and available mathematical operations) attaining a sufficient degree of awareness, ego and conscious agency. One - total monadic potential, Demiurge - (a degree of) actualization of that potential.
>nothing transcends the One
Nothing generated by One (monad) can transcend the One, but there exists a set of greater potential (transcendental infinity) accessible to what was a-priori transcendent. 
>as unity is the minimal condition for anything to be said to exist
Only absolute differentiation substantiates true existence (of entities-into-themselves), and that requires a set where the underlying unity of all things is not possible. 
>a union or reversion to the One itself would be transcendence
Anything generated by One terminates into One, the lowest common denominator. No amount of extension changes the fundamental nature of the entity.

You may wish to look into this thread for more information 

https://zzzchan.xyz/fascist/thread/843.html
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>>895
>Demiurge is a conscious manifestation of One
I don't think manifestation is the appropriate term, as that would imply it to be the same entity, which it cannot be since the One, being prior to everything, cannot be dependent on noetic activity; the Demiurge is rather an emanation of the One.
>Only absolute differentiation substantiates true existence
Identity is prior to difference, for the condition of being same is primarily with itself, whilst difference is always predicated of something else; furthermore, differentiation itself is contingent on identity, for if we were not able to definitely say that one thing is what it is, we'd have as little certainty in claiming that it is different from something else, as this would also entail our ability to distinctively identify another.
>>895
I was skimming through your thread and saw this:
<think of the Fibonacci sequence being suggested as the standard of beauty (just with different numbers) or of the Fugue of Bach. It's about finding sequences of very specific properties that can constantly be refined or generate novelty without converging or being the same as another part
Ok, first off, this is wrong; there is no novelty involved in either the Fibonacci sequence or the golden ratio, as both are patterns of self-similarity, meaning each square is cut in the exact same proportion as the previous one, regardless of the numbers being different for p/q each time; also, the Fibonacci sequence is a converging series, it's limit being the golden ratio itself, something you can test yourself by dividing each term in the series by the previous one, gradually approaching the golden ratio.
Honestly I don't know what else to say. It seems like gobbled metaphysics concocted with the sole aim of easing a neurotic fear to be associated with kikes in even the most trifling respect, as though monism is not just amongst the number of things they (mis)appropriated; and I thought the Armanists were crazy.
>>125
>what about the locked vatican bible?
The truth is that if you study various Bible/New Testament codices, you will discover that some of those contain some books that have have been removed from Bible. I'm talking about Shepherd of Hermas (https://www.earlychristianwritings.com/shepherd.html) and Epistle of Barnabas (https://www.earlychristianwritings.com/barnabas.html):
>Barnabas 4:6
>Moreover I ask you this one thing besides, as being one of yourselves and loving you all in particular more than my own soul, to give heed to yourselves now, 
>and not to liken yourselves to certain persons who pile up sin upon sin, saying that our covenant remains to them also.

>Barnabas 4:7
>Ours it is; but they lost it in this way for ever, when Moses had just received it.
>For the scripture saith; And Moses was in the mountain fasting forty days and forty nights, and he received the covenant from the Lord, even tablets of stone written with the finger of the hand of the Lord.

And there are a ton of New Testament manuscripts: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lists_of_New_Testament_manuscripts
And there are a ton of books that aren't in the Bible:
>https://www.earlychristianwritings.com/index.html
>http://www.gnosis.org/library.html ((Coptic) Gospel of Thomas, etc.)
Who picked the books that are included in the Bible? How the decisions were made?
Also, I find it odd that Mary Magdalene is labeled as "whore" but in the Nag Hammadi Library and (especially) Pistis Sophia she has so central role. Perhaps there were some kind of unchristian fighting over who is the most important figure in the early Church?
So... what we should pray then?
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>>850
Decent video, I like how this guy is practically naming them without naming them. Even if the work of Procopius was somewhat biased, she hardly deserved to be canonized as a saint, although Christianity has a long record of canonizing various scoundrels (starting with Abraham) and Orthodox Christianity is not an exemption. It was (and is) equally as vile and as corrupt as the Vatican, with the exception of some hardcore monks and honest (mostly lower ranking) priests. Ironically, it stays truer to its Judaic roots since Catholics were often forced to reform their religion due to political pressure (and incompatibility of European spirit with Abrahamistic faiths).

While sources linking Justinian and his concubine directly to the tribe are scarce, the pattern and the circumstances seem to check out. The use of prostitutes, fortune tellers and other circus retinue to infiltrate high society has been their modus operandi since the times of Abraham, the story of Esther being a prime example. Then we have the debauchery, the extremely cruel and unjust rule (especially against people of Germanic stock) and gradual ruin of society. 

Also, check this out https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plague_of_Justinian

The transfer of wealth that he mentions was not the only one

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sack_of_Constantinople

The more things change, the more they remain the same ... Do you know where did the author find the links with the Druids and Magi?
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I'm kind of new to this whole metaphysical stuff, but what is the Aryan soul supposed to transcend?
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>>921
>I'm kind of new to this whole metaphysical stuff,
Read Bhagavad-Gītā As It Is: https://vedabase.io/en/library/bg/ (it's a great book. don't be put off by your preconceptions)
You may want to read philosophy as well start with Greeks (works of Plato and works of Aristotle).
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>>918
In what context?
>>850
Justinian completely destroyed Southern Italy, it still didn't recover to this day.
That place was a major hub of civilization all throughout classical antiquity...
I have nothing against Greeks, but what the Venetians did was kinda self-defense at that point.
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>>919
Not that I know where his source of it from, but he described the etymology of the media and Hollywood in general at 1:10:27
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>>924
>Read Bhagavad-Gītā
I thought it was pozzed, because it softly shills ideas that men are all the same?

>You may want to read philosophy as well start with Greeks (works of Plato and works of Aristotle).
I'm not really a fan of philosophy other than Aristotle's, but I'm willingly to read if it is enlighten, although I question Plato as his "teachings" are more in line with what the globalist/jews than what our ancestors knew and wanted.
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>>934
> I question Plato as his "teachings" are more in line with what the globalist/jews than what our ancestors knew and wanted.
I don't see the connection between Plato and globalist or jews. But it's true that Platonism may have influenced both Christianity/New Testament and Judaism (see Philo of Alexandria).

But Platonism is certainly different from polytheistic faiths since Plato said that there is the One/Monad who is above all. But Platonism/Neoplatonism doesn't necessarily exclude the possibility of existence of multiple gods (The idea is that there can be a hierarchy of gods/beings where the Monad is at the top. Compare to the texts of Nag Hammadi library for example. The idea in most of text found in the Nag Hammadi library is that the God of Old Testament = Demiurge, who is a lower creator god.).  Plato didn't say that everyone is equal either (see the Myth of Er for example). According to Plato, you will get rewarded/punished according to your good/bad deeds. Also, in Republic, Plato also criticizes both democracy and tyranny, and proposes ideal nation that's lead by philosopher kings. 

And Plato and Aristotle from the basis for the western philosophy which is one of the main reasons why they and their writings are so important.
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>>931
I was wondering if he had provided more information elsewhere, seems to be a good trace. Would you be able to contact him to join the discussion here?

>>934
>>937
Plato was a student of Pythagorean school, and Pythagoras was taught by the Magi, that's how those ideas ended up in Plato's philosophy, although Plato was booted from the Pythagorean school because some of his ideas were too 'radical' (just like in modern academia lol). Unfortunately he never managed to abandon those monist misconceptions but some of his other ideas make his works worth reading regardless.

They came up with "Neoplatonism" to further corrupt and sterilize his ideas and make them more in tune with the agenda.
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>>937
>I don't see the connection between Plato and globalist or jews.
That's because you don't really know much about globalist and jews and how they are sympathetic to platonism. In particular both advocate a form of supremacy of state that is dominated by a class of priests and that those priests can do no bad as long as they worship the Monad.

>But Platonism is certainly different from polytheistic faiths since Plato said that there is the One/Monad who is above all
Which is atheistic. Most of Plato's ideas of One, comes from Eastern sources. And arguably Plato isn't really a polytheist even if he does believe in the gods (though he clearly makes it evident that he only believes in them, because they are aspects of a demiurge) as he questions and dislikes their character as he somewhat rejected the idea that divine spirits can ever have flaws. There is a reason why his philosophy and monotheism are both so centered on control on the psyche.

>And Plato and Aristotle from the basis for the western philosophy which is one of the main reasons why they and their writings are so important.
To be honest. Western philosophy is shit and serves more as a form of domestication, than enlightenment.
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>>944
>Plato was a student of Pythagorean school, and Pythagoras was taught by the Magi
We don't really know who taught Pythagoras. Some say he was taught by Phoenicians, Egyptians, Iranians or even the druids. Either-way these particular groups are known to have corrupt magus.
>>946
>In particular both advocate a form of supremacy of state that is dominated by a class of priests and that those priests can do no bad as long as they worship the Monad.
Platoists are also bugmen who believe that all truths or most practices can be universal. They purposely deconstruct ancestral traditions, culture and customs for a universalist perspective. The Neoplatonists extended Plato's teachings to being applicable to anyone which is one of the major reasons why the West's priestly class has become so cosmopolitan and weak-minded. Aristotle was right to reject his assertions as they were unrealistic and denied true metaphysics. There is a reason why our elites are so sympathetic and loving of Platonic philosophy and its because it does a similar form of downplaying native culture and lying to create something new and foreign for a drastic change in hopes thr direction will lead towards "enlightenment".
I don't mean to turn this thread into a book club but what have people been reading recently? Today I reflected on the Hávamál and then read about Gemistus Plethon.

>>125 
>also why does (((  fedschan  ))) push religion so hard /pol/?
They got meme'd into believing the premise that abrahamism is the only way for Whites to be traditional so they dismiss the glaring holes in the theology & its warped morality. When someone is working backwards from a flawed conclusion they have endless copes because a single phrase in the bible can be projected upon to mean the opposite of its intent.
>>8 (OP) 
>How can we deprogram abrahamists?
I honestly think it's a lost cause, but if I had any hope, it would be that they simply have no understanding of our race's history or of the nature of the Jews. For the people who think Whites are the real Jews, how can they explain why there were no Hebrew speakers or Hebrew roots prior to the spread of Christianity? Why don't we see Hebrew spread into Europe around the time of the Israelite expulsion(s)? How can the people who arrived in Europe a thousand years before Abraham arrived in Canaan (from Babylonia) be his descendants? The only evidence for Semites in Europe are Carthaginian excursions close to the Mediterranean and the weird way British Gaelic languages form sentences.

>What should every abrahamic fascist know about their religion?
Let's be honest. We don't have an "Abrahamic" problem so much as a Christian problem. We all know Jews are out, and how many White Muslims do you find yourself arguing with about how Muhammad was actually a Nord? (And how many Manicheans or Mandaeans have you ever even heard of?) And there's only one thing a Christian needs to know about their religion: it was invented by Jews. How is that not the end, full stop? Jesus was a Jew. All his disciples were Jews. He called a non-Jewish woman a dog. He said he was come to earth to save Jews. Paul, a Jew, said goyim were being "grafted into" the Abrahamic family tree, that goyim were like wild plants, while Jews were cultivated.
They can't answer this, so they invent cockamamie explanations and mental gymnastics about how Jews aren't really Jews. Jews are Khazars? Oh? Did Khazars write the Babylonian Talmud? Did Khazars write the book of Isaiah that says Jews will suck the tit of the goyim and that Jerusalem will be the capital of the world? They says Jews are Edomites. Edomite are Hebrews, dumbasses. Edom/Idumea was RIGHT NEXT to Judah/Judaea. Edom/Esau was the brother of Jacob/Israel. No, wait, Jews are Canaanites. Yeah. All Jews are. They're from Canaan. No one ever seems able to explain how Jesus, a Jew called "rabbi", who quoted the Torah, celebrated Chanukkah and Passover, and spoke a Semitic tongue (he could at least read Hebrew, even if he commonly spoke Aramaic or Greek), was somehow a blond Nordic Aryan and surrounded by Semitic Jews, who weren't really Jews, but actually fake Jews, who are the Jews we know of as Jews. 

>What is the best way to get abrahamists out of our nations and communities?
Just don't include them. Or outright ban them.

>How can we explain that abrahamism is incompatable with a White National Socialist ethnostate?
Semitic religions are incompatible with White ethnostates because Whites aren't Semites. It's against our nature. Like clothes tailored for someone else. They're just uncomfortable and will eventually tear and be useless.
>>924
What about the dhammapada?
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>>1213
Spiritual goyslop
What is the general consensus of Christian Identity (christogenea.org) here? They may be overtly religious ("Whites are the real Israelites") but they are very smart and perceptive of jewish tricks. Interesting thing to note is that they view non-whites as enemies too (considering the vast number of White Nationalists who view jews as the only enemy, which is cartoonish and unrealistic). What makes christogenea.org based, in my visit, is that there is not one member in that site who has said anything good about a single non-White. They don't act like cucks in that regard. That makes it a good litmus test to see which White folks are trustworthy. They pray for uniting with all White folk and destruction of non-White bastards. I'm just confused as to why other WNs and CI group can't get along.
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>>1447
Any questions related to Christniggerism, of any sort, belong here and only here.
Nobody like Christian Identity because it is False, it is an outcry and denial of ones own racial heritage for the entirely false mythos of the jews, They do not in fact believe all Non-whites are the enemy however much they larp on their forums, i have seen a thousand, they are against the use of open violence and warfare, they think we can hide and infiltrate like the rat fucking jews and win this in 20 or 30 generations, when they will attempt to exterminate not just the jews or non-whites but ANY non-believers in their jewish god and his very jewish( and also fictional) son, "pagans" first, and due to their absolute worship of jewish heritage, they are ultimately blind to jews among them as the man who runs Christogenea is a jew himself, If you think an alliance with c hristniggers iis at all possible you are an idiot, they fucked over Hitler just as they have fucked over every movement from his disappearance onward.
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>>1447
>>1448
I apologize to BO for posting this in QTTDTOT. I'm not a christnigger. If anything, I don't care for religion. However, I have been thinking into getting into religion as I am beginning to believe that God's chosen people are White people.
>>1448
>They do not in fact believe all Non-whites are the enemy however much they larp on their forums
You may have not seen the newer posts in that site. If you type "non-whites" on the search bar there, you'll see many statements dedicated to hatred of all shitskin races on Earth. They'd even go as far as to treat them as not even people (calling them "tares or "it" instead). I like that kind of energy. There's a lot of difference in opinions in these circles which keep unity as a secondthought. Just my two cents.
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>>1450
And I've been observing them in their personal chats on telegram and various other places for far longer, they larp on their little forums but their actual beliefs and modus operandi are far from that, if you wish to get into religion, got to a mountaintop, and meditate pray to Odhinn, and ask for the knowledge or guidance to it there, stay well away from Christainity in any form, and especially Christian Identity, as everything it's based on is philosemitic to it's core.
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>>1451
That's interesting. The Telegram group I've seen ("OWLN_Network") follows strict rules regarding White-only society (as I've described earlier).
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>>1452
>OWLN_Network
I meant OWLM_Network. Apologies.
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What was the relationship of National Socialism to Catholicism like?
I know they had the main religion being traditional Nordic, but they also allowed Catholics in the Reich like Leon Degrelle.
The Pope declared support for Italy, but what about Germany?
There are pictures of Hitler with Pope, but other than that, could you post facts about this NatSoc-Catholic alliance?

Please don't ban me, this is a sincere question from someone with doubts.
I understand that there was the Deutsche Christenheit, and that it represented the Catholic religion in the Reich, but what about the alliance in depth with the religion?
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>>1455
I may not be 100% correct, but I'll give my best knowledge of the subject.

>What was the relationship of National Socialism to Catholicism like
Besides the fact that the Catholics were against the NSDAP during the 1929-33 election, defended and aided jewish refugees and protested against anti-semitism? The leaders of the NSDAP generally had unfavorable views of Christianity generally and were aware that it was all Semitic. Goebbels ruthlessly persecuted and called upon imprisonment against zealous Catholic clergymen, Himmler and Heydrich wanted the SS to be the revival of pagan/Teutonic values to overcome Christian morality and principles, Bormann despised organized religion and also made attacks against various churches, Rosenberg was a staunch anti-christian and denounced it as Jewish, and Hitler had numerous attempts to destroy the influence and networks of the Protestants and Catholics alike using Hitler's Youth. Their relationship was clearly a rivaling war for Germany, although the NSDAP did tolerate those who were loyal.

>The Pope declared support for Italy, but what about Germany?
Pope XI and XII spent most of their time protesting the German government. They never given official support to Germans. What they only wanted was to protect Catholic/Vatican influence within Germany and never would support an ideology that they see as "racial idolatry". The Catholics would not support a party or group that they cannot control, unless there are things they can benefit from like they did with Mussolini's government (even though they literally wrote a creed and called them pagans).
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>>1459
But Leon Degrelle was a Catholic. There were Catholics in the Reich and even baptisms and communion on the battlefield.
Not to mention the Deutsche Christenheit, which represented Catholicism in the Reich.
Catholics supported Hitler for the most part, and Catholicism was pro-Germany until the end of the war, with the Vatican Second not ruled by real Catholics.
Hitler said he was in favor of religions, and that they could coexist, even if the NatSoc officially preached Nordic-religious traditionalisms.
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>>1460
>But Leon Degrelle was a Catholic. There were Catholics in the Reich and even baptisms and communion on the battlefield.
Degrelle recanted his Christianity and catholicism on his death, he died an Aryan in full, Hitler allowing him to be of use while he still labored under the delusions of christniggery does not mean the reich was allied with or friendly with the catholic church, and allowing men might and probably would soon die have some level of comfort by allowing the practice of their religion on the battlefield doesn't mean they were friendly with the church either, Hitler chose to focus more on the youth than on the adults of his people in removing the semitic mind-virus from our race, the correct choice 
>Not to mention the Deutsche Christenheit, which represented Catholicism in the Reich.
Allowing the church some representation in the reich, doesn't mean they were friendly either.
>Catholics supported Hitler for the most part, and Catholicism was pro-Germany until the end of the war, with the Vatican Second not ruled by real Catholics.
No catholics didn't, it was in fact protestants who elected The NSDAP, those who did only did so because Hitler was born into a catholic family and had been raised catholic even though he only ever attended for his mothers sake, made beyond clear by several remarks he made through out his life and career. 
The church was never Pro-Germany, during the war it officially remained neutral, and would not throw in one way or the other, though they had little choice but to support Mussolini as he ruled the country within which the vatican resides, it has always been anti-aryan and it spent a large portion of time and the lives of many millions of Germans and others lost to wars they waged against german protestantism, the lie that moronic catholics try to pull that Vatican II changed everything, it didn't, it just made the already virulently anti-Aryan Church more openly anti-Aryan and it occurred long before the war began.
>Hitler said he was in favor of religions, and that they could coexist, even if the NatSoc officially preached Nordic-religious traditionalisms.
He never said he was in favor of christianity in any ideological text or any personal correspondence or in any recordings of his dinner table talks, this is a lie he adopted to appeal more broadly to the german public in his public speeches and rallies, in reality he despised christianity on nearly the same level that many of us here now do, he despised it as much as Nietzsche did, personally I go just that one final step neither of them lived long enough to take, all Christniggers should be killed, everything christian should be razed to the ground and burned to fine creosote ash, and our race should march to the future free of semitic baggage.
Go read through the archives of Anti-Abrahamic, and Aryan religion threads, from previous iterations of /fascist/ see if any other questions you have are answered there before you come back and ask more.
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>>1461
Can't you be a little polite and talk normally? I just have a question about this since Jesus was not Jewish and Catholicism does not prevent someone from supporting National Socialism.
There is nothing wrong with that, people can follow both religions, and the phenotype of Jesus and the non-Jews in the area were Aryan.
Noah in the bible puts a curse on a bandit people and turns them into black people, the bible always stresses how rotten Jews are, and Jesus was, according to Catholics, was the living landmark of the fight against these petty and disgusting people.
I honestly don't think it's a problem to be NS and Catholic, because National Socialism preaches traditionalism, and in the old days the Germanic people represented Catholicism well, so they can fit that ideological requirement.
I understand that some members of the SS and the Reich government had their own religions, but this can also be applied to Catholics, as they celebrated Catholic dates and practiced their religious needs among their own. Why hate each other, when we can both be allies under the same ideology? Sorry, but that doesn't make much sense.
You don't need this hatred, because Catholics would not interfere in their religions or their lifestyles.

USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST Christniggers are not welcome here and Jesus while not real is most certainly a jew.

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<Christianity could not content itself with building up its own altar; it was absolutely forced to undertake the destruction of the heathen altars. Only from this fanatical intolerance could its apodictic faith take form; this intolerance is, in fact, its absolute presupposition

<The objection may very well be raised that such phenomena in world history arise for the most part from specifically Jewish modes of thought, in fact, that this type of intolerance and fanaticism positively embodies the Jewish nature.

>There were Catholics in the Reich
There were many Germans of different religious backgrounds within the Reich. Protestant, catholic, and even ole pagans who still live within the corners of Germany.

>Not to mention the Deutsche Christenheit, which represented Catholicism in the Reich
Deutsche Christenheit were mostly protestants. The NS christian movement only existed to get German christians out of their usual churches and into Positive Christianity.

>Catholics supported Hitler for the most part
No they didn't. Did you not read what anon said before? The catholics were one of the biggest obstacles to the NSDAP, before and after they gained power. The conservatives/ monarchist even betrayed the National Socialists and Germany as a whole, because Hitler and co didn't want to worship a dead jew. There was even a catholic member who went on about how Yahweh told him to destroy the German state. Catholicism was never pro-German, ever in its entire life-span. It has only ever been for itself because it is cosmopolitan, not ethnic, nationalist or even life-affirming. 

>Vatican Second not ruled by real Catholics
>No True Scotsman
Nothing indicates that they weren't true Catholics. The Vatican did everything in its power to defend catholicism. Catholics have never wanted to persecute jews for simply being jewish as they find that to be too cruel of an action and, that persecution based on race or ethnicity alone, is too irrational and is based on hatred, in which they oppose.

>Hitler said he was in favor of religions
He never said he was in favor of christianity. 

>>1462
> I just have a question about this since Jesus was not Jewish 
The New Testament proudly states that he was rabbi and declares him king of Israel. You can't be a rabbi without being a jew, anon.

>Catholicism does not prevent someone from supporting National Socialism.
Literally it does. The Popes made creeds and protested against Germany and forbade anyone of the church to directly support the NSDAP. The dogma and doctrine of Christianity is incompatible with National Socialism, where we advocate both Ancient Germanic and new values that can make us proper Aryans once again. Why do you think Hitler named his Christian movement "Positive Christianity" rather than "True Christianity"? If he were a christian, then he would have pulled a No True Scotsman as many zealot X-tians do.

>the phenotype of Jesus and the non-Jews 
>Noah in the bible puts a curse on a bandit people and turns them into black people
Take your CI nonsense and shove it up your ass. Actual catholics don't even believe in this crap. The bible does not refer to "black" in the same way we think of Negroes, nor would they be against a nigger becoming a catholic as it is a religion that opens its doors to all who are willing to convert and be accepted into the "kingdom of God", so your pseudo-racism is contradictory. They are either fine with yeshua being a jew or reject him being one due to their belief that he cannot have an ethnicity of any kind, because he is somehow a direct descendant of a fake demiurge who is actually just a semitic deity, not because they "hate" jews.
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>>1467
>nor would they be against a nigger becoming a catholic
Again, Christogenea begs to differ. They spit on any non-White (or "bastard races" as they call it) for even being aware of the jew. If you want to see ruthless and genuine belief of White supremacism, look no further than the inner circles of Christian Identity. They despise all non-White races and believe that they all will go to hell, while White people will go to heaven. I mean isn't that technically what we want too (minus the bible stuff)?
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>Again, Christogenea begs to differ
<The solution is spiritual jewry
Again, Christogenea is retarded, and christian identity is ZIONISM. No one cares about what CIs think or say, because they're heretics who do not follow the bible truthfully and have ulterior motives of destroying the Aryan race. The formation of CI was created by jews and the shabbos goy known as the freemasons. You are suggesting for us to repeat history and lead to the same shit that happened with Great Britain and The Spanish Empire and how they became a paradise for jewish influence. We as National Socialist honor our true European heritages, not the ones of jews and then try to LARP as them. 

>If you want to see ruthless and genuine belief of White supremacism, look no further than the inner circles of Christian Identity.
If you want a White form of zionism and for any White nationalist movement to easily be infiltrated by feds, then look no further than at the mental gymnastics that is Christian Identity that is still supported by masons.


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>judaism against judaism
<worships a Rabbi who attended Hanukkah and prayed at synagogues
>Admits that jews did not have a problem with Jesus up until now
kek
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gnosticism is just inverted judaism. both believe the jewish god created the world, the gnostics just acknowledge that he's evil

but my question is why believe the jewish god created anything, except for maybe the jews themselves kek. he couldn't even find adam and eve in the garden

yahweh seems to me merely a powerful demon. the world is too good to have been created by him. the jews are just the scum of the earth, the only nation who would worship him and follow his laws after all others refused

so the demon chose them in return and did give them quite a bit of power. but not to create, only to destroy. it's enough for me that white people are chosen by their own gods. I don't want to be chosen by a demon, and I'm not sure I believe in "the One" at all
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>>1534
This. I don't know why I don't know why there are anons shilling Gnosticism within this board, because it is nothing, but nonsensical dribble.
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>>judaism against judaism
If Christianity really served the purposes of Judaism then they wouldn't oppose it or have agendas against it, even in the time of Jesus. Old testement Judaism, New Testament Christianity and Modern Judaism are very different beliefs.
>worships a Rabbi who attended Hanukkah and prayed at synagogues
I worship God, the race of his son has nothing to do with why i worship him, besides not every single OT Jews is bad, just the modern Talmud Kabalah ones are.
>Admits that jews did not have a problem with Jesus up until now
They did,“Ye serpents, ye generation (race or nation) of vipers, how can ye escape the
damnation of hell?” —Jesus Christ, Matthew 23:33
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>If Christianity really served the purposes of Judaism then they wouldn't oppose it or have agendas against it,
If Christianity does not serve the jews, then the jews would not be as powerful as they are today, and the feelings of jews by christians would not be dependent on their religiosity, but rather their race. There was no subversion nor any of the common No True Scots that are common argued, it was all apart of the ((( plan ))). Having different dogmas and thoughts does not make you distinct. You can post all these shitty infographs and cope all you want, but none of them mention the fact that christians worship a rabbi (which you do not deny) who is not only said to be king of Israel, but will also conquer all gentiles nations. Romans 11:1, Romans 11:13, Romans 11, and Samuel 1 18:25-27 are all things jews would say.

>I worship God, the race of his son has nothing to do with why i worship him
<I worship Yahweh, and I'm perfectly fine with worshiping the people who are also said to be the closets in terms of blood and spirituality to the God of the jews!
kek

> besides not every single OT Jews is bad
<muh ole jewzz
All jews are bad, they've been terrible people since their beginning. The Old Testament and the Torah, debunk this idea that they ever were a "kinder" people.

>Matthew 23:33
Note, that Matthew 23:33 is referring AFTER the RELIGIOUS LEADERS of Judaism rejected Yeshua as a messiah. There is nothing in the NT nor does Matthews condemn all jews are evil. After-all, the point of christianity was to "save" jews not gentiles until Saul came along.
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>If Christianity does not serve the jews, then the jews would not be as powerful as they are today
How has the Bible made the Jews powerful?
> Having different dogmas and thoughts does not make you distinct. 
It's more than just different dogmas and thoughts, we worship different messiahs and Gods. You're just denying a more complex answer with your jewish monolith.
>You can post all these shitty infographs and cope all you want, but none of them mention the fact that christians worship a rabbi (which you do not deny) 
Do you know what a genetic fallacy is? It's not Cope, Christianity and Judaism are different and opposing religions, you're saying that because OT Jews were in the picture that Christianity is now Jewish and evil, when it's the opposite and opposed to bad behavior.
>but none of them mention the fact that christians worship a rabbi (which you do not deny) who is not only said to be king of Israel, but will also conquer all gentiles nations. Romans 11:1, Romans 11:13, Romans 11, and Samuel 1 18:25-27 are all things jews would say.
See webm, Christians are the chosen by God, the idea of Jews being the chosen is Christian Zionism bullshit that forces in another God. The Jews don't study the OT in the same way that the Christians do, Not all who are are of Israel are of Israel, some jew who rejects Jesus in Israel is not the chosen. The Philistines set the Ark of the Covenant into the house of their god Dagon, they're idols worshipers. There are two kingdoms one of God and one of Satan, and Satan (and those who practice his arts or joins his allegiance) are not on my side regardless if we're both gentiles. Since the beginning of time Satan has tried to build a one world government to enslave everyone.
><I worship Yahweh, and I'm perfectly fine with worshiping the people who are also said to be the closets in terms of blood and spirituality to the God of the jews!
The God of the Jewish Kabalah and Talmud is a serpent/Satan.
>All jews are bad, 
That's wrong, Prove that all OT Jews are bad. I don't believe in a "good person" only God is good, Of course not all were evil regardless, but there were some that went with Jesus so some had to at least be trying to be a better person.
>Note, that Matthew 23:33 is referring AFTER the RELIGIOUS LEADERS of Judaism rejected Yeshua as a messiah.
Jesus is the ultimate standard of Good, of course those who reject him will be given up.
>There is nothing in the NT nor does Matthews condemn all jews are evil. 
Because not all Jews are evil. However there is Revelation 2:9 "I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan."  1 John 2:22 "Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son."
>After-all, the point of christianity was to "save" jews not gentiles until Saul came along.
The Jews came first then salvation was extended to the gentiles.
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>>1541
>How has the Bible made the Jews powerful?
The bible establishes that jews are the closets to Yahweh. Those who are closet to the ultimate judge and are considered to be more righteous when it comes to enacting the God of the Israelis laws.

>It's more than just different dogmas and thoughts, we worship different messiahs and Gods
You don't have different messiahs, nor "Gods", stupid. You worship all the same mosses and Abraham. And the NT even states that the god of the christians is same one within Israel.

>You're just denying a more complex answer with your jewish monolith.
Or, you're just coping.

>Do you know what a genetic fallacy is?
>This retard is back
You don't know what genetic fallacy means, so stop accusing others of doing so.

>It's not Cope, Christianity and Judaism are different and opposing religions
<because I said so

>you're saying that because OT Jews were in the picture that Christianity is now Jewish and evil
I didn't say that, strawman. I said that jews (Israelites) were always evil since their first establishment. Their scriptures and actions against gentiles was always because they and their God are envious of those who are superior to them. Then there's the whole set of lives of victories and mythos they've established and along with numerous hypocrisies. Even Abraham was a piece of shit, especially when he killed his brother, because he thought he was going to bang his wife.

>Christians are the chosen by God
<No no no, anon you see, we just changed what the Old Testament said! This time we wuz the true Israelites!
kek

>the idea of Jews being the chosen is Christian Zionism bullshit that forces in another God.
I don't care who was chosen for what. The point here is that God is ZION and gave the land of ((( Zion ))) to the Israelites. He tasked them to bring about his supremacy by sword and infiltration. A nigger deity that seethes at gentiles and their gods. You christoids worship and see yourselves as apart of Abraham's mutt family and affirm Zion and the task to bring jewish prophecies into reality, which many rabbis even acknowledge. You are merely arguing that you have a different way to go about a singular ultimate goal of the jews. 

>the Jews don't study the OT in the same way that the Christians do
Yes they do. They are doing what the OT commands them.

>The God of the Jewish Kabalah and Talmud is a serpent/Satan.
>Satan, a word that means enemy of god
<the words and beliefs of God are against God
Anon....

>That's wrong, Prove that all OT Jews are bad
Galatians 3:8-9
Ezekiel 9:5-7
Genesis 15:18
Isaiah 40:17

>Because not all Jews are evil
All jews are evil, anon. You are sounding no different than a cuckservative. A good man could never be a jew, and a good jew cannot be a well-mannered Individual. 

>Revelation 2:9 
>1 John 2:22
You're working yourself in contradictions here. You believe that not all jews are evil, but try to establish the NT as if it sees jews as evil as much as we do. Revelation is referring to the theocracy of Judaism which rejected Yeshua. It does not see jews as evil for their racial characteristics and for who they truly are, but because they rejected the son of a whore that's literally it. 

>The Jews came first then salvation was extended to the gentiles.
You mean they were force to, got circumcised and then were encouraged to attack their family members for not worshiping the jews only to lead to what is the current present.
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>Webm
Nothing in the bible says that the jews will rule the world, the plan of a Jewish one world government brought to you by the Jewish messiah is in opposition to the Christian God. 
>The bible establishes that jews are the closets to Yahweh. Those who are closet to the ultimate judge and are considered to be more righteous when it comes to enacting the God of the Israelis laws.
Where does it say that in the Bible?
>You don't have different messiahs, nor "Gods", stupid.
>you worship all the same mosses and Abraham. 
You're just wrong, We don't worship mosses or Abraham, we have different Gods/Messaiahs, read Holy Serpent of the Jews by Texe Marrs or the Talmud and the Kabalah. The other Abrahamic religions go against Christianity.
>And the NT even states that the god of the christians is same one within Israel.
Israel means different things to certain Christians and certain Jews. Do you really think that Israel as it is now is a Christian nation, when it's full of jews who reject Christ?
>Or, you're just coping.
Coping implies that i'm choosing a pleasant lie instead of a harsh truth, where is the lie in what i talk about?
>You don't know what genetic fallacy means, so stop accusing others of doing so.
You're accepting a claim as true or false solely on the basis of its origin. Because Christianity has Jewish roots you claim it's a lie or a jewish ploy.
><because I said so
Prove that Christianity and Judaism have the same God then, smartass.
>No no no, anon you see, we just changed what the Old Testament said! This time we wuz the true Israelites!
I never said we were the israelites, and I don't care if you mock me, but my view is correct and Biblical. 

Galations 3:7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham. 
Galationans 3:28-29 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heir according to the promise. 
Ephesians 2:11-13 and 19, 11 Therefore remember that formerly you who are Gentiles in the flesh and called uncircumcised by the so-called circumcision (that done in the body by human hands)— 12 remember that at that time you were separate from Christ, alienated from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers to the covenants of the promise, without hope and without God in the world. 13 But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far away have been brought near through the blood of Christ. 19 Therefore you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints and members of God’s household, 
The jews refused Jesus Matthew 21:43 Therefore I tell you that the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people who will produce its fruit. 44 He who falls on this stone will be broken to pieces, but he on whom it falls will be crushed.l” 
1 Peter 2:9-10 But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for God’s own possession, to proclaim the virtues of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light. 10 Once you were not a people, but now you are the people of God; once you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy. Israel is a spiritual nation 
Hebrews 11:16 Instead, they were longing for a better country, a heavenly one. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for He has prepared a city for them.

>Galatians 3: 8The Scripture foresaw that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, and foretold the gospel to Abraham: “All nations will be blessed through you.”b 9So those who have faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith.
That's not evil.
>Ezekiel 9:5And as I listened, He said to the others, “Follow him through the city and start killing; do not show pity or spare anyone! 6Slaughter the old men, the young men and maidens, the women and children; but do not go near anyone who has the mark. Now begin at My sanctuary.” So they began with the elders who were before the temple.7Then He told them, “Defile the temple and fill the courts with the slain. Go forth!”
That was a Vision. God does command the isrealites to kill others in the OT but if God commands it then there must be a good reason for it.
>Genesis 15:18 In the same day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates:
How is that evil?
>Isaiah 40:17All the nations are as nothing before Him; He regards them as nothingness and emptiness.
If God is the one true creator God then he will be greater than everything else, do you believe that nations are greater than God?

>All jews are evil, anon. 
Then Prove it, so far other anons have only proven that a lot of Jews are evil not every Jew
>A good man could never be a jew, and a good jew cannot be a well-mannered Individual. 
Jesus was a Good man.
>Revelation is referring to the theocracy of Judaism which rejected Yeshua
true, rejecting God makes you more capable of evil, since everyone is already addicted to evil.
>You mean they were force to, got circumcised and then were encouraged to attack their family members for not worshiping the jews only to lead to what is the current present.
Where in the bible does it say to do that? I don't worship the jews where are you getting this from?
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>>1544
Anon, tell your parents to give you the attention you so desperately desire, because you have not read a single thing I've said and have done nothing, but pilpuling excuses for a jew who never existed. No matter what you say, the bible admits Yeshua was a jew and proudly one who must rule over the world as king of Israel. You simply do not see things from an intelligent perspective, because you are mind-fucked. This is especially the case that you do not realize that Galatians 3:8 and Genesis 15:18 are calling for the circumcision and infiltration of ethnic cultures for not being jewish, and make excuses for God killing those who are above him. Seethe and cope, you are an npc.
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>Nothing in the bible says that the jews will rule the world
Yes it does. It says it right in Isaiah 14:2 and Isaiah 2:4. Confirmed to have never read the bible.

>Where does it say that in the Bible?
Anon already posted the scripture. Galatians 3:8-9

>You're just wrong, We don't worship mosses or Abraham
Yes, you do. Paul, John, Luke, Hebrews, and Romans all refer to Abraham as the priest and father of Israel. All christians venerated him as their spiritual father and great ancestor of Jesus. Mosses is also honored as lawgiver and prophet who was commonly compared by the three major christians sects. I can even mention the fact that Mosses and Abraham were common names used by christians for centuries. To deny that you don't means you and many christians actually reject the Old Testament. 

>Do you really think that Israel as it is now is a Christian nation
My favorite part about this conversation is that anon never said this. 

>when it's full of jews who reject Christ
But they fully acknowledge how he was a helpful hand in destroying and taking over Europe, no?

>Coping implies that i'm choosing a pleasant lie instead of a harsh truth
Sounds about right. 

>You're accepting a claim as true or false solely on the basis of its origin
Please point to where anon did this. Your webm is nonsensical and biased. It can be ignored, because it takes from a perspective that is dishonest and excludes many other important factors of what the bible also states. 

>Prove that Christianity and Judaism have the same God, smartass
It literally states in the bible that God is one of Israel, Matthew 15:31. I'm guessing you're next comment will be about the characterization of God, which will not change the fact that he is centric of Israel. 

>I never said we were the israelites
<Christians are the chosen by God
The "chosen" are those who carry the word and command of Yahweh, which is disrupt, destroy, and distort all nations that are opposed to Israel. 

>Galations 3:7
Saul opening his religion to gentiles to infiltrate Rome and other surrounding nations.

>Galationans 3:28-29
Ultra pozzed and this is how you get pic below.

>Ephesians 2:11-13 and 19, 11
This is just Saul declaring that circumcision no longer separates gentiles away from Yahweh, and now anyone can be circumcised to become closer to Yahweh and Abraham. Also, I hope you realize that he admits that Israel is still Yahweh's "chosen nation" within the same passage, but this time the invitation has been opened to anyone by christians. 

>That's not evil
Are perhaps jewish?
<All nations will be blessed through you
Literally announcing the supremacy of Israel and all else inferior. It makes even worse when Matt 5:17 states that Yeshua the rabbi must fulfill the prophecies and laws of the previous prophets.

>It was just a vision bro
It was to fore-come if the jews refuse to enslave themselves to Yahweh totally. It was a showcase of the puritanism and arrogance of the volcano demon.

>How is that evil?
Are you retarded or just this cucked?

>do you believe that nations are greater than God?
I for a fact, do. And the fact that christianity and jewry have become an absolute joke and the center of hypocrisy is undeniable proof that Yahweh is nothing but a joke. 

>Then Prove it
<Prove the people who openly state and have scriptures declaring that they want your children raped and killed, family members stoned and beaten, and entire nations enslaved to do the labor of the jews to be evil.

> so far other anons have only proven that a lot of Jews are evil not every Jew
Nah, nigger. You just don't think the many of the things jews do are evil, so you cannot find a reason why to be repulsed at kikery.

>Jesus was a Good man.
>admits he was a jew and rabbi
He was an Israeli supremacist. Next you'll say pedophiles are good people too.

> rejecting God makes you more capable of evil
Anon, we tolerate logic here.

>Where in the bible does it say to do that?
Luke 14:26
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>Galatians 3:8
Christianity started as Jewish movement but it's message was for all humanity. Some of the Jewish Christians at the time of Galatians thought that the non-Jewish Christians had to obey the laws of the Torah and these Jewish Christians came to the Galations Church to demand circumcision of the non-Jewish Christians. That went against Paul who told the non-Jewish Christians that they didn't have to get circumcised or keep kosher. You're totally jumping to conclusions and quoting the verse out of context when the overall story of Galations is against needing to follow the Torah to be part of the Old Testament faith. Exactly as i said a Genetic Fallacy,  A Fallacy of irrelevance that is based solely on someone's or something's history, origin, or source rather than its current meaning or context
>Genesis 15:18
All the families of the earth will find blessings in Abram's family. God's plan is to rescue rebellious humanity through Abram's family, through Jesus Christ, all of you are thinking of the anti-Christ who is going to enslave humanity in a one world modern (maybe Jewish) government.

Another mistake that you and >>1549 keep doing is thinking that the promises or conquest of the OT are not relevant to Modern Christians/gentiles, Race can tell you a lot but certain things can change over time, yeah Christianity started with the Jewish Israelites but it's messages was for all humanity, so when you bring up Isaiah 14:2 and Isaiah 2:4. you're looking at it like only OT faith Jews are going to inherit the nations from God, when OT Judaism has progressed into Christianity and the ones who went against God went into what we know as Judaism now, the same modern Judaism that doesn't take the OT literally and studies the kabbalah and the Talmud. Isaiah 14:2 and Isaiah 2:4 are not about Jewish rule, it's about Christian rule, we're not connected by blood but by faith.
 
>You're coping
Just because i don't uncritically and submissively accept your position doesn't mean i'm choosing a lie.
>you are an npc.
NPC's are not whatever you don't like, it's people on the left taught by mainstream media.

The fact that Christian Zionism is not Biblical means that it's a part of Chritianity.
>>1549
>Galatians 3:8-9
That doesn't say that the Jews are closest to God, only that the nations will be blessed by Abram's family, which is most likely referring to Jesus.
>Yes, you do. Paul, John, Luke, Hebrews, and Romans all refer to Abraham as the priest and father of Israel. All christians venerated him as their spiritual father and great ancestor of Jesus. Mosses is also honored as lawgiver and prophet who was commonly compared by the three major christians sects. I can even mention the fact that Mosses and Abraham were common names used by christians for centuries. To deny that you don't means you and many Christians actually reject the Old Testament. 
Venerate is a word Catholics use specifically to say they're not worshiping something. When i go to a Christian church i don't worship the priest, i respect him, as i would respect anyone else, but i don't pray to the priest like hes God when i pray. You must have some spiritual context to ancestors because in all my 32 years of being a Christian i've never heard someone switch the name of God to a priest or anyone in the bible when praying for something. So what if they're common names, Satan a common name for Christians that doesn't mean they're worshiping him. Jesus updated the OT. That is just wrong.
> Your webm is nonsensical and biased. It can be ignored, because it takes from a perspective that is dishonest and excludes many other important factors of what the bible also states. 
What is dishonest about it? Do you see how your lack of understanding my position leads to arguments that don't work against me? Why even bother replying if you're not going to even read what i post.
>It literally states in the bible that God is one of Israel, Matthew 15:31.
>The "chosen" are those who carry the word and command of Yahweh, which is disrupt, destroy, and distort all nations that are opposed to Israel. 
Christianity started with the jews and extended to humanity, that includes the spiritual nation of Israel. The nation of Israel (as we know it today) is a godless place, worshiping the Shekhinah. full of modern judaism.
>I for a fact, do. And the fact that christianity and jewry have become an absolute joke and the center of hypocrisy is undeniable proof that Yahweh is nothing but a joke. 
All the nations are capable of degeneracy. God has the power to deliver people from debauchery but he also respects freewill. Even in the Bible man chooses evil, that is not a failure of God, God permits evil to test good. Even if everyone on earth was a degenerate, the bible would still be true.
>Prove the people who openly state and have scriptures declaring that they want your children raped and killed, family members stoned and beaten, and entire nations enslaved to do the labor of the jews to be evil.
Even Satanists can do good despite commanded to do evil. Humanity is originally good, we just choose evil.
>Nah, nigger. You just don't think the many of the things jews do are evil, so you cannot find a reason why to be repulsed at kikery.
I know that Jews have been a part of a lot of evil schemes, schemes that include Christians, but they're not all evil, and i've yet to find evidence that they're all 100% evil, just a patterns of anecdotes of them related to evil practices.
>He was an Israeli supremacist
Maybe on a surface interpretation, if he was then his sacrifice wouldn't have been for all of humanity. inb4 Mark 7:27-28 see https://www.gotquestions.org/Canaanite-woman-dog.html
>Anon, we tolerate logic here.
Sins are a slippery slop, this is common sense, lying leads to more lying.
>pic
They're practicing promiscuity or infidelity, they're probably leftist Christians, Do you think your side has no degeneracy? There is a popularity of a fascists trannies out there.

I'm not answering anymore bible verses from you guys, you have a very flawed view of the bible.

Why do you think the nations (i'm assuming you mean the races, something created, limited and biological) are greater than God (something all powerful, omipresent, all knowing creator)?
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>>1562
>Christianity started as Jewish movement but it's message was for all humanity.
<Admits christianity comes from jews and is a jewish plot to enslave humanity through conversations
This is all I needed to hear from you. You're refusing to argue and do what every Abrahamist do, ((( pilpul ))) and lie. Stop reviving this dead thread, because you refuse to accept the harsh truth that no one takes the dead jew seriously any longer.
>Simultaneously, the Jews are identified as the ultimate motive force behind the progressive movements destroying Western culture. As experience has taught me, the only thing a Jewpiller hates more than someone who doesn't 'name the Jew' is someone who does talk about Jews, but identifies higher motives and structures in progressivism to which Jewish activity is subordinate. This hatred of anything that 'blames the victim' or 'minimises the guilt' is all part of the negative manifesto: our problems must all be traced to Jewish biological tribalism, so that they can all be solved by European biological tribalism. Knowledge of higher powers than the Jews is as dangerous to the Race Cult as is the knowledge of airstrips and aircraft carriers to a cargo cult.

>At first, the conversion to biological tribalism may be a shallow and reluctant one. But once it becomes clear that the imitation of perceived Jewish behaviour isn't delivering the goods – something that would, ordinarily, lead to scepticism – then it is time for the cult to rush in with its own self-serving explanations for failure. The problem is not that the strategy doesn't work, or that something is missing in the theory of Jewish political power. No – the problem is that we Europeans are too individualistic by nature, too distracted by universalist delusions. And the solution, naturally, is to double down on biological tribalism. We must throw out Christianity and retvrn to paganism; no, we must make up a new racial religion; no, we must reinterpret all culture and mythology as racial allegory, and extend our paranoia about 'Jewish influence' even to Thor and Odin. 

>But to a fully Jewpilled white nationalist, every single one of those names in triple brackets is tainted with the dreaded bacillus of 'Jewish influence', which he has passed to every single one of his non-Jewish fellows in his movement or school of thought. And it is not good enough to extract the truths from such a tainted source while discarding anything specifically Jewish, because every good Darwinian biological tribalist knows that ideas are just tools and weapons in the racial struggle for life. The only safe option is to reserve your trust for the one political movement that excludes all Jews on a biological basis. This logic is very convenient for the Movement, establishing as it does the only litmus test of bona fides on which its fed-ridden, charlatan-led, dysfunctional activist griftshop could possibly come out looking better than its rivals.
 
>And this well-poisoning trick can be extended as wide as you like, because the West is a post-Christian culture that has not been free from Jewish influence since late antiquity. Every belief-system after paganism is potentially tainted, unless it has been run through the filtering system of the Race Cult and pronounced to be more Aryan than Jewish. Whether or not it is carried to its logical extreme, this sort of thinking creates an ideal mental state for dupes, paypigs and Kool-Aid drinkers: abject intellectual dependence on the cult, defended by ferocious paranoia towards everything outside it. 

>That may or may not be so (Dewey? Rawls? Foucault?), but in any case, whose ideas were those Jewish intellectuals propagating? If we are to understand "leftism" as egalitarianism, individualism, democracy, etc., then by MacDonald's own lights these ideas have no basis in Jewish racial heritage at all. It was the Anglo elites in transition between Puritanism and Progressivism who converted the Jews to their religion, not the other way around.

>By this point MacDonald's argument is chafing against the whole concept of individualism as he conceives it. A moral community is nonetheless a community, just as a gas is no less a substance than a liquid. As he says, "these cultures may exert strong controls on individual behaviour to ensure conformity to the norms of a moral community" (p.455). And the identity of a moral community comes from its ideas and institutions and ideas, so it can preserve a viable ingroup while recruiting members from different biological communities (see the example of the Catholic Church, which recruited its members from all three of MacDonald's fundamental European groups). Once the 'Puritan-Protestant-Progressive' tradition is identified as a more or less continuous moral community, which dominated America from its founding and which allied with (and largely converted) the Jews, then the focus on Jews as a causal agent collapses and MacDonald's work no longer supports the Jewpill. 

>In the first part of this post, we explained how the Race Cult takes advantage of this principle, by peddling the distorted picture of subversion and revolution that we have called the Jewpill. No-one in his right mind wants to convert to what this cult is actually offering: a brutish, atheistic, amoral religion of racial phenotypes, genes, group interests, reproduction, the amity-enmity complex, etc., based on the sort of evo-psych silliness ridiculed by David Stove in his book Darwinian Fairytales. But witness the change that takes place when 1) this religion of race is attributed to the Jews, and 2) the Jews are magnified into the rulers of the world and the main agent of Western decline. Now the principle of mirroring one's enemy kicks in, and people strive to believe in biological tribalism, which they falsely see as a winning strategy. And the more they fail, the more they double down – creating the white nationalist cargo cult, which has long furnished the livelihoods of some of the worst degenerates and scoundrels on the Dissident Right.

>Of course, we can still fight a stiff rearguard action. Before its conversion to Christianity, wasn't the culture of the Roman Empire a morass of infanticide, degeneracy and religious unbelief? Wasn't it full of foreign immigration, urban crime and rampant bureaucracy, ruled by foreign emperors, and defended by barbarian mercenaries who were mercilessly set on its provincial rebels? And didn't the Catholic order of mediaeval Europe improve on this in many respects? None of this supports the notion that all Semitic influences must be bad, or that all good influences must be Aryan.

Here is a good criticism of the Jewish conspiracy from someone on your side that you will not read either. 

https://archive.ph/HJnfA Part 1
https://archive.ph/m6zpZ Part 2
https://archive.ph/IzfMz Part 3

TL;DR White nationalism is bad for whites.  MacDonald and the Jewish Revolutionary Spirit are wrong about the Jews. 

Even Stromfront doesn't think that the Jews are the ultimate enemy, they see the Illuminati as being at the top of the hierarchy and the Jews are their foot solders. https://archive.ph/MXvPF
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>>1572
>Affirmative Right
>More DIssident Kike BS
Fuck off shill and go back to where you came from.
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>>1572
>Even Stromfront doesn't think that the Jews are the ultimate enemy
Stromfront is full of non-Whites, and I think one of the admins got caught being a Jew.

>they see the Illuminati as being at the top of the hierarchy and the Jews are their foot solders.
>They're MAGA-cucks
They're retarded, and are going to be surprised to learn that the Illuminati was started by Jews.
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>>1575
The articles debunk a lot of MacDonald and The Jewish Revolutionary Spirit which is the handbook of "jewpillers" and you have no good argument against it other than dismission.  Yeah, it's true that there are Jews in power but that's doesn't tell you everything, there are many groups in power.
>be surprised to learn that the Illuminati was started by Jews.
Yes Adam Weishaupt was a jew, but he was also a Jesuit, and it's not only jews who are in the secret societies. 

From Behold a Pale Horse
>I give lectures all over the United States. At some point before, during, or after every lecture, some well-meaning but misguided soul, tells me that I have it all wrong and that it's the Jews, the Catholics, the communists, or the bankers that are the cause of all our ills. The target group is blamed for everything that has ever gone wrong. Power over everyone and everything is always attributed to this group - whichever group it happens to be at that moment to that person. These poor people are on the right track, in that there has been and certainly is a conspiracy to bring about a totalitarian world order. They are completely off track to think that any one ethnic, religious, or financial group alone could ever muster enough power to bring its plan to fruition. One group, you see, would always be opposed by all of the other special-interest groups that exist and have always existed throughout history. That is, unless they were all really the same group (the Illuminati) or for some reason they became unified (the Bilderberg Group).

Gorge Bush is a part of the secret elite and hes not a jew,
>but he gives reverence to the jews in public
He also gives reverence to the Pope.

I'm not saying there are not Jews in power, secret society or other conspiracies but they're not all of it, according to Bloodlines of the illuminati by fritz springmeier and Giants by Peter Phillips (a 2017 study on the world's richest 0.1%) Jews are actually a small part of the elite.
>muh crypto jews
There has to be some proof of this otherwise you could claim anyone is a secret jew.
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>>1579
>The articles debunk a lot of MacDonald and The Jewish Revolutionary Spirit which is the handbook of "jewpillers"
The article did not do any of what you're insinuating. Lawrence uses incomprehensible word salads and then cries and misunderstands MacDonald's position, because he concludes that the solution to Jewry is a form of tribalism of our own. He then attempts to reinforce his petty argument by scapegoating the Anglo aristocracy and their influences, despite the fact that the Anglo aristocracy and their influences were directly influenced by Jews, and the Puritans were largely irrelevant prior to the arrival of the Enlightenment era.This argument is shared among Q-tards. The 18th and 19th century liberal philosophers were influenced by Masonic groups rather than Angloism or Puritanism.Even Hegel took inspiration from the Kabbalah, which many Freemasons had access to. Lawrence does not provide a logical argument for why Macdonald is wrong, but rather personal grievances.He also claims that Hitler is "irredeemable" and makes some other dumb statements about how he ran Germany into the ground, even though it was actually the Catholics who ran Germany into the ground. Essentially exposing himself as a kike.

>Yes Adam Weishaupt was a jew, but he was also a Jesuit
Why does it matter that he was a Jesuit? If anything, this only proves our point that Jews are naturally deceitful and that Abrahamists will ultimately always allow them to do whatever they please.

>but misguided soul, tells me that I have it all wrong and that it's the Jews, the Catholics, the communists, or the bankers that are the cause of all our ills.
This is because they were behind all of these things, Lawrence. You can easily find a Jew in the occupation of banking, the Soviet Union was dominated by Jews, and the Catholic Church's first Pope was a Jew. 

>he target group is blamed for everything that has ever gone wrong
They are. This is just being indefensible. Try telling me or proving to me that groups such as BLM and every mega-corpo aren't ran by them.
 
>Gorge Bush is a part of the secret elite and hes not a jew
Learn to spell. There is no secret elite, MIGA. "George Bush" is a Jew. It makes no difference whether he is a Jew by blood or spirit, because all of his influences come from, guess who?, Jews.He and many other American politicians wish to be Jews and will do their bidding willingly. To say he is not a Jew or that we cannot blame the kikes as the causes of reason is mentally retarded, because all evidence points to them and their religion as the causes of reason. Rome's downfall was not caused by racism, nor did it cause the downfall of the West, that was cosmopolitanism and philo-semitism. If the Jews are not the cause of troubles nor tyrants, then explain why Trump, DeSantis, Biden, Obama, or the entire Congress of the United States all have statements on how they identify with Jews, or even downright admit that they are Jews and need to constantly show their alligeances to Israel? This is what Lawrence forgets and doesn't articulate well at all. Everything that has happened points to Jews; only a moron can deny this, or he does because he is afraid of his Jewish fate (Christianity) being recognized as part of the problem. Read Marcus' Eli Ravage's, A Real Case Against the Jews. A Jew admits to all of what Hitler and so on have been saying.

https://archive.ph/Oonji
https://archive.ph/wFiyo
https://archive.ph/n0tHr
https://archive.ph/YTfN7
https://www.insider.com/trump-moved-us-embassy-jerusalem-for-evangelicals-2020-8


>He also gives reverence to the Pope.
Is this supposed to mean something?Does he worship the Catholic Church as much as he does Israel?

> I'm not saying there are not Jews in power
This is what your article is suggesting.

>Jews are actually a small part of the elite.
Explain the ADL, then. The ADL is one of the largest criminal and zionist terrorist organizations in the United States. And yet they get away with just about anything, anon.

>There has to be some proof of this; otherwise, you could claim anyone is a secret Jew.
I had to fix your terrible grammar, because I feel like I'm talking to a mentally handicapped patient. Apparently we need to prove this a million times before another mouth-breathing cuckservative finally realizes what is going on within the real world. 

Watch this video, and shill somewhere else.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1LqzU7CHk0
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>>1576
>Stromfront is full of non-Whites
Huh, no wonder Christogenea hated that website. CIs despise non-Whites who are JQ-pilled. So should we. It's OUR struggle, not theirs.
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>>1580
>"George Bush" is a Jew
Wasn't he in some organization called "Skull and Bones"?
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>>1583
Yes.

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>The article did not do any of what you're insinuating.
>What they need, in order to defend their dogma, is some way of inverting the historical narrative and projecting Jewish machinations onto revolutionary movements before the 20th century. As I showed at the end of the first part of this post, MacDonald's Individualism and the Western Liberal Tradition can be of little use here, as it shows too much fidelity to history. Although presented as a supplement to MacDonald's trilogy on the Jews, this book in fact undermines them, by laying out a theory of 'moral communities' based on shared ideals rather than racial interests. Once we understand the revolutionary, progressive ideology as just such a 'moral community' – to all intents and purposes, a separate religious tribe in its own right – we can no longer follow MacDonald in excusing gentile elite behaviour as 'individualism', while attributing collective motives for social destruction solely to the Jews.

>This holds true for the early Bolshevik government of the Soviet Union, so often misrepresented by Jewpillers as being more Jewish than it actually was. All "formerly oppressed nationalities" excluding the Russians were privileged by the government, and in the brutal Cheka secret police, the most overrepresented group was not the Jews but the Latvians (see Yuri Slezkine, The Jewish Century, p.247 and p.177). Conversely, when the later Soviet government turned against the Jews under Stalin, this followed a general crackdown on minority nationalities that involved mass deportations and execution quotas (Slezkine, p.274). All of this accords quite well with our general principle – for the communists were effectively an 'alien' ruling elite when they were inflicting the revolutionary secular religion on Russia, whereas by the end of the war against Germany they had largely made their peace with Russian patriotism and the social order.
You're wrong or didn't read it.

>There is no secret elite
Dead wrong and this highlights your jewish red herring perfectly. Getting rid of the Jews will leave the rest of your enemies in power.
>. "George Bush" is a Jew.because all of his influences come from, guess who?, Jews
His influence also comes from the secret societies that he devoted his life to and all the humiliating rituals he practiced with them. "Spiritual" Jewishness is a complete cop out, it's redefining what Jewishness actually is that is not George Bush.
> To say he is not a Jew or that we cannot blame the kikes as the causes of reason is mentally retarded, because all evidence points to them and their religion as the causes of reason
Not when hes not a biological jew. I bet you think that Jordan Peterson is "controlled" by the Jews because he did a talk with them?
>and need to constantly show their alligeances to Israel
That is just what is shown in the public, like his reverence to the Pope that you dismiss. What is more telling is what they do when these people meet in secret.
>This is what your article is suggesting.
I'm just saying that they're not the only ones in power, of course there are Jews in power in America and they're a conspiratorial group.
>Explain the ADL, then. The ADL is one of the largest criminal and zionist terrorist organizations in the United States. And yet they get away with just about anything, anon.
There is also the B'nai B'rith, there are also many international secret societies around the world as well. My world views doesn't have to rely on the jews or secret societies, but i can acknowledge that both are in power as well. As well as acknowledge that Jews are trying to subvert us. Personally i think Satanism in it's purest form narrows down past and present definition of evil much better than the Jewish race and it also includes the modern and ancient Judaism as well while not throwing out Christianity which is true and good. It's also not limited to a small part of the global elite.
>Apparently we need to prove this a million times before another mouth-breathing cuckservative finally realizes what is going on within the real world. 
When you say something is jewish it's natural that you provide evidence for it, there is nothing wrong with that, only a fool accepts information without being critical of it. The real world is bigger than just Jews.

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>Webms
This is the kind of shit posted by Q-tards.

Anon I can confidently say that you do not know what Lawrence is implying here or what MacDonald's books actually state. Lawrence offers no counterarguments—no historical evidence, no logical assertions, just personal grievances. All you did was re-quote what was said, demonstrating that you, like a shill, have no idea what was said. A common tactic among shills is to throw out what is to be perceived as information, but is nothing but nonsense, because they have neither read nor understood the contents.


>This holds true for the early Bolshevik government of the Soviet Union, so often misrepresented by Jewpillers as being more Jewish than it actually was.
And this is where Lawrence exposes himself as a moron and a Jew. This is a common talking point among Jews, especially DRs, who deny the Jewishness of the SU. No surprise that he is also committing to the lie.

Proof that the Soviet Union was Jewish:
<"Some call it Marxism - I call it Judaism." -Rabbi Stephen S. Wise, in the American Bulletin of May 15, 1935

<"The revolution in Russia is a Jewish revolution" -The Maccabean (New York), Nov. 1905, p, 250 "Jewry is the mother of Marxism."
Le Droit de Vivre, May 12, 1936

<"Judaism is Marxism, communism" -Harry Waton, A Program for the Jews and an Answer to All Anti-Semites (New York: Committee for the Preservation of the Jews, 1939), p. 64

<"The communist soul is the soul of Judaism." -Harry Waton, A Program for the Jews and an Answer to All Anti-Semites (New York: Committee for the Preservation of the Jews, 1939), p. 143

<"We Jews cannot be called upon to denounce Communism." -The American Hebrew (New York), February 3, 1939, p. 11

<"The picture which the Soviet Union presents today is one that should bring rejoicing to world Jewry." The Youngstown Jewish Times, Sept. 18, 1936, page 51

<"It would be absurd to deny the intensity of the Jewish participation in the Russian revolutionary movement."
Leon Dennen, in The Menorah Journal (New York) July-September 1932, p. 106

<"That achievement - the Russian-Jewish revolution - destined to figure in history as the overshadowing result of World War, was largely the outcome of Jewish thinking, of Jewish discontent, of Jewish effort to reconstruct." -The American Hebrew, September 10, 1920

<"The Bolshevik Government of Russia is the key-stone of the arch of the proof of the Jewish conspiracy for radicalism and world-domination. "William Hard, The Great Jewish Conspiracy (New York: American Jewish Book Company, 1920), p. 31

<"The Jewish elements provide the driving forces for communism" Dr. Oscar Levy, in George Pitt-Rivers, The World Significance of the Russian Revolution (Oxford, 1920), p. ix

<"The Jews [have been] furnishing for the Bolsheviks the majority of their leaders" -The Jewish World (London), April 16, 1919, p. 11

<"Russian Jews have taken a prominent part in the Bolshevist movement" -The American Hebrew (New York), November 18, 1927, p. 20

And it goes on. Are ya winning son?

>Dead wrong and this highlights your jewish red herring perfectly. 
>Red Herring
It can't be a Red Herring if I just proved you wrong I sent. But of course, you didn't read them, because they prove you wrong. :^)

>Getting rid of the Jews will leave the rest of your enemies in power.
>If you kill your enemies, they win
Excellent rebuttal, MIGA.

>His influence also comes from the secret societies
What secret societies? The Illumanti? The Freemasons? The NWOs? Jews were linked to all movements; are you going to deny his ties to them again? Anon, what are secret societies? I thought for sure you knew the answer to everything, like all the other ignorant boomers claim they do.

>"Spiritual" Jewishness is a complete cop out, it's redefining what Jewishness actually is that is not George Bush.
This statement literally makes no sense. What is Jewishness according to you, then, anon? If you think it's a positive force, then we can go back and look at what the Talmud and Old Testament say. If you think it isn't irrational and supremacist, I will refer you back to the books written by their own hands.

>Not when hes not a biological jew.
There's no proof that he is not a biological Jew. Many Masons are biological Jews; even Trump and Biden have Jewish ancestors. A lack of evidence does not mean it is not confirmed. Bill Gates is said to not be Jewish, and yet he looks exactly like one.

>I bet you think that Jordan Peterson is "controlled" by the Jews because he did a talk with them?
Take a look at this vid and trying say he isn't. I wouldn't call him controlled, but rather a shabbos goy.Also tell your favorite idol, TO CLEAN HIS ROOM.
https://archive.fo/Sifn3

>That is just what is shown in the public
Then what is shown in private?

>like his reverence to the Pope that you dismiss.
I didn't dismiss this. I told you he doesn't praise Catholicism to the same extent he does with Israel, but of course MAGA-tards cannot read just as they cannot function and process logic. If anything, Bush only revered the pope because the pope was a Jew himself. Even the ADL liked him. People who have the same connections will admire and compliment each other. I thought guys like you would know this, lol.

>I'm just saying that they're not the only ones in power,
You are literally implying that Jews have little or no power, despite all the evidence that points to the fact that they do. Now you're just scrambling around your arguments to make yourself look less stupid.

>There is also the B'nai B'rith
Jewish.

>there are also many international secret societies around the world as well
Vague.

>My world views doesn't have to rely on the jews or secret societies
I don't care about your moronic views. You're avoiding my argument.

>As well as acknowledge that Jews are trying to subvert us.
>I acknowledge that Jews are deceitful and subversive.
Also you,
>Jews are actually a small part of the elite.
And then, your entire argument sums up as follows:
<Hey goy, ignore all the philo-semitism and all the connections the world's most powerful leaders have with Jews or that they're Jewish themselves! They don't have so much power; you're just delusional!

>personally, i think Satanism in it's purest form narrows down past and present definition of evil much better than the Jewish race
And here we have your usual religious mental retardation that says absolutely nothing of value. Just so you know, "Satan" merely means adversary in Hebrew. You're basically saying that by opposing Jews, we are in a degenerate state. Which goes to show that you're likely a Semite.


>When you say something is jewish it's natural that you provide evidence for it
I have already done this numerously.

>only a fool accepts information without being critical of it. 

Such as yourself and everything you post. Especially since you couldn't even prove that the New Testament wasn't a Jewish book.

>The real world is bigger than just Jews.
The real world says it's Jews, but some idiots don't want it to be Jews because they want to be like them but in a different format (Christianity) and repeat history. No matter what le Satan cope you bring up, it won't change that the past and present led to this period, and it was Christian, not pagan. 

https://nationalvanguard.org/2020/08/christianity-the-great-jewish-hoax/
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>>1582
why would we hate nonwhites who're woke to the JQ? just because they're nonwhite? idk about you but I only dislike nonwhites when they compete with whites for resources; there's nothing wrong when they want their own countries. the nation of islam is a good example of an organisation that's somewhat j-aware (they don't deny the holocaust) and seperatist
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>>1593
the struggle against the jew belongs to all sentient races. whites may be the biggest threat, but the blacks and chinese both have huge reasons to hate the jew (slavery and the opium wars)
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>This is the kind of shit posted by Q-tards.
Q stuff is a mix of a bunch of other established conspiracies.

>Proof that the Soviet Union was Jewish:...
I stand corrected then.

>It can't be a Red Herring if I just proved you wrong I sent. But of course, you didn't read them, because they prove you wrong. :^)
It both is and isn't a Red Herring because there are Jews in power but they're not the only ones in power.

>>Getting rid of the Jews will leave the rest of your enemies in power.
>>If you kill your enemies, they win
>Excellent rebuttal, MIGA.
Killing one of your enemies won't get rid of the rest of your problems.

What secret societies? The Illumanti? The Freemasons? The NWOs? Jews were linked to all movements;
The New World Order can be a Jewish conspiracy but it's can also come from a lot of other sources, for example Hitler wanted a NWO for Whites.

>Behold a Pale Horse
>I hope to show that most modern secret societies and especially those that practice degrees of initiation — and that is the key — are really one society with one purpose. You may call them whatever you wish — the Order of the Quest, the JASON Society, the Roshaniya, the Qabbalah, the Knights Templar, the Knights of Malta, the Knights of Columbus, the Jesuits, the Masons, the Ancient and Mystical Order of Rosae Crucis, the Illuminati, the Nazi Party, the Communist Party, the Executive Members of the Council on Foreign Relations, The Group, the Brotherhood of the Dragon, the Rosicrucians, the Royal Institute of International Affairs, the Trilateral Commission, the Bilderberg Group, the Open Friendly Secret Society (the Vatican), the Russell Trust, the Skull & Bones, the Scroll & Key, the Order — they are all the same and all work toward the same ultimate goal, a New World Order.

>This statement literally makes no sense. What is Jewishness according to you, then, anon? If you think it's a positive force, then we can go back and look at what the Talmud and Old Testament say. If you think it isn't irrational and supremacist, I will refer you back to the books written by their own hands.
Predatory lending isn't unique to the Jews, yet that wouldn't make certain Chinese who practice predatory lending into Jews, unless they were born from a Jewish mother, the Jewish mother was always the way that others measured Jewishness.

>There's no proof that he is not a biological Jew. Many Masons are biological Jews; even Trump and Biden have Jewish ancestors. A lack of evidence does not mean it is not confirmed. Bill Gates is said to not be Jewish, and yet he looks exactly like one.
There has to be some evidence, like Jewish ancestors or else it's wishful thinking.

>Take a look at this vid and trying say he isn't. 
<the fate of the world depends on the people of Israel, just as the fate of the world depends on every individual. So you make yourself a shinning light on the hill.
I don't know why they call him Rabbi, but the second video about him telling jews to be responsible and to be better people, hes definitely being diplomatic with them. He has this video online about Jewish conspiracies where he tries very hard not to mention anything https://yewtu.be/watch?v=2ka3yNYlJCE It's too ambiguous to say. 

>Then what is shown in private?
Human Sacrifice and pedophilia.

>I told you he doesn't praise Catholicism to the same extent he does with Israel
I read the article, in a simplified sense it's for his Jewish voters, William Cooper also talks about this:  
>They may have been or may be members of the Christian or Jewish religions, but that is only to further their own ends. They are and always have been Luciferian and internationalist. They give allegiance to no particular nation, although they have used, on occasion, nationalism to further their causes. Their only concern is to gain greater economic and political power. The ultimate objective of the leaders of both groups is identical. They are determined to win for themselves undisputed control of the wealth, natural resources, and manpower of the entire planet. They intend to turn the world into their conception of a Luciferian totalitarian socialist state. In the process they will eliminate all Christians, Jews, and atheists. You have just learned one, but only one, of the great mysteries.

Both the Right and Left ideals are found in Ancient Secret Societies 
>Of special interest is the powerful society in Afghanistan in ancient times called the Roshaniya — illuminated ones. There are actually references to this mystical cult going back through history to the House of Wisdom at Cairo. The major tenets of this cult were: the abolition of private property; the elimination of religion; the elimination of nation states; the belief that illumination emanated from the Supreme Being who desired a class of perfect men and women to carry out the organization and direction of the world; belief in a plan to reshape the social system of the world by first taking control of individual countries one by one, and the belief that after reaching the fourth degree one could communicate directly with the unknown supervisors who had imparted knowledge to initiates throughout the ages. Wise men will again recognize the Brotherhood. Can you hear the echo of the Nazi party, the Communist party, the extreme right and the extreme left?

>You are literally implying that Jews have little or no power, despite all the evidence that points to the fact that they do. Now you're just scrambling around your arguments to make yourself look less stupid.
I never said they have little or no power.

>>Jews are actually a small part of the elite.
>And then, your entire argument sums up as follows:
>Hey goy, ignore all the philo-semitism and all the connections the world's most powerful leaders have with Jews or that they're Jewish themselves! >They don't have so much power; you're just delusional!
I didn't say that. They are a small part of the elite though. You're doing the same with Satanism in pretending that it doesn't have connections to world leaders, or even the Jews themselves.

> Just so you know, "Satan" merely means adversary in Hebrew.
The Snake in Genesis is still Satan, and even though Satan is the name of a non-personal "adversary" in the OT, hes still a personal being in the NT, hes also called a serpent in the Revelation. 
>You're basically saying that by opposing Jews, we are in a degenerate state. Which goes to show that you're likely a Semite.
Never said that either. 

>Especially since you couldn't even prove that the New Testament wasn't a Jewish book.
If you're the same anon, you still haven't proven that every single Jews is 100% evil. It was never my intention to deny the Jewish connections of the Bible, The bad behavior of the Israelite can be explained as the sinful nature of man. 

>The real world says it's Jews, but some idiots don't want it to be Jews because they want to be like them but in a different format (Christianity) and repeat history.
I'm guessing you've never read about elite Satanism? It doesn't matter if Satan is real or not what matters is the power that Satanists have over our society. No i don't want to be a Jew, and neither does the bible want me to be a jew, or else it would have me practice those rules or study the Talmud and the Kabalah.

>No matter what le Satan cope you bring up, it won't change that the past and present led to this period
Cope implies that it's a lie, prove it's a lie. Satanism predates Judaism, and there are more Satanists in charge than Jews globally considering Jews are such a small part of the population.

>Christianity is a hoax
Read the Case for Christ and Evidence that Demands a Verdict.
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>>1597
Shit meant for >>1591
>>1597
>I don't know why they call him Rabbi, but the second video about him telling jews to be responsible and to be better people, 
Holy shit, you're actually retarded.
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>>1601
>Jordan Paterson isn't controlled by Jews
>Anon gives two webms of Peterson worshipping a nation of pedophiles, genocidal maniacs. 
>Felt proud of being called a rabbi by Jews
>Goes on about how the fate of the world depends on Israel
>Didn't read nor refute Peterson's connection with Soros.
This is the same faggot in the other unpopular thread, ban this this retard.
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>>1601
>>1603
Don't respond to him. He's a shill. He's doing exactly what they do. Cope and deny. Just report him.
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>>1603
>>1607
No argument, ban what i disagree with.
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>>1608
You didn't argue for anything. All you did was deny facts, and cope even harder.
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>>1614
I didn't deny any facts I even was accepted when i was wrong about something, and i did argue my points you just have no argument against it and therefor you have to resort to pathetically calling me a shill or trying to get me banned when the point of this thread is to talk about religion.

I'm not coping, nothing about what i believe is a lie.
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>>1616
>I didn't deny any facts I even was accepted when i was wrong about something,
You didn't shit, nigger. All you did was say he was wrong and made excuses. You made no arguments, no refutations. Just the refusal to read what he provided and then say it is wrong with some backwards logic. Your are indeed coping.
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>>1618
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>>1593
>why would we hate nonwhites who're woke to the JQ?
You're so blind. I'm quite surpised that White nationalists still believe this stupid crap. We cannot co-exist with other races simply because resources and land are LIMITED. Another thing is, we are God's chosen people. Not kikes, not anyone else. God made us in his image. Non-whites are not a part of God's people and they deserve extinction. If you are a universalist kike, gtfoh and kys.
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>>1622
Do whites really need all the land on earth though? I would settle for just north america, europe, and australia / new zealand tbh. maybe kick all the niggers out of south africa, too. but I respect the chinese, japanese, indians etc. they make valuable contributions to humanity even if they are different and even inferior in some respects
>whites are god's chosen people
we're chosen by our gods and the other races are chosen by theirs. I'm not a universalist, but I'm not an ethnoglobe retard either
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I'm a newfag and some posts here seem pretty good, like  >>278 or >>120
and then there's pics like in >>379 or >>384
It's like that every time I take a closer looks a fascists, natsocs, etc online, I get this whiplash of good takes and utter schizo shit that just looks embarrassing.
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>>1627
There's nothing wrong with both of those 'pictures', the Big Dipper is a real constellation and the open-end pentagram was a symbol used by Pythagoreans. Your egalitarian conditioning activates a surge of negative emotions to respond in any sight of swastikas and anti-monotheist messaging.
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>>1618
When i was wrong i accepted that i was wrong, but it's not true to say i didn't make arguments. It doesn't matter even though i did make arguments because everyone ignored them and then tried to get me banned lol. Whatever, i don't expect any less from easily angered people. The Jews are part of the Satanic conspiracy since they worship a holy serpent.

Coping implies that i'm turning to a lie, it's a fact that not all jews are evil. Jordan Peterson being diplomatic to Jewish people is not enough evidence to say hes controlled by Jews. Even though everyone on TV is controlled by something but you need more evidence than just implications.

Another example of the Jews being a Red herring is Disney, they didn't get Jews in it till later but was always a pedophilie institution since it's inception, the black and white Alice cartoons demonstrate this.
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>>1631
>sees a little girl in media
>cries pedophilia
You're talking about this, right?: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDfKbVeNu4g
Just when I thought you couldn't get any dumber.
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>>1628
>Your egalitarian conditioning activates a surge of negative emotions to respond in any sight of swastikas and anti-monotheist messaging.
lmao, no. I don't have a problem with swastikas, but schizo arguments. Whether the big dipper really rotates like that or not is irrelevant. Some twinkling lights on the night sky mean jack shit when it comes to politics.
And the second pic is a fucking ms paint tier schizo shit that also talks about "aryan soul transcending the demiurge". C'mon now.
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>>1623
Cuck
Forgot to add more:
>>1623
>chinks
Copycats. Plus they are bugmen who do not care for their fellow bugs. Even if they did care for their fellow bugs, it doesn't elevate their status. They also eat the most disgusting shit imaginable.
>nips
Just because they fought for the Axis in WWII doesn't mean they're "based". remember, they're an enemy at the end of the day. Anyone who is NOT us is an instant enemy. It's not just the kikes, you dimwit.
>indians
streetshitters. you "respect" streetshitters? You're a fucking niggerloving faggot. Didn't I already ask you to kill yourself, you race traitor?
>>1633
>Some twinkling lights on the night sky mean jack shit when it comes to politics.
You are indeed a newfag if you think spirituality and symbolism are irrelevant to politics.

>And the second pic is a fucking ms paint tier schizo shit that also talks about "aryan soul transcending the demiurge".
Yes, and?
>>1593
>why would we hate nonwhites who're woke to the JQ?
You're sounding awful alike Catboy Funetes and the other morons who are race-blind or care so much about as niggers as liberals do. Guys like you only want to either manipulate them as their superiors or unironically believe that we are all equal in spirit. The problem with non-Whites who are JQ is that they're just as anti-White as leftists and the Jews are. Some of many of them are even race-blind or hate White people as much as they claim to hate the Jews. Many non-White DRs are pro-Russian and chinkland, despite there being mountains of evidence that the both of them hate White people and resent White nationalism. They also constantly chant that they desire a "multi-polarity" which is just  Wakandanian-tier delusion of the niggers and mutts who desperately want to usurper the West as the center of politics and influence within the world for something more suitable to them.  Your "based" non-Whites only support the JQ when it is convenient to their own race. Have you not learn anything from Ye and all the other crap he was posting on twatter beside calling out the Jews such as bitching about racism, comparing himself to MLK, and praising the Haitian genocide of Whites? All Jews have to do is invite them into their hegemony and they will become disingenuous on the fact that we live in a Jew World Order. You keep insisting that they exist, but in the end you never prove it so. Just admit it, you're brown.
>plato
>aristotle
>greeks
>druids
>vedas
>buddhism
Ok, everything is kiked, what's left for us? Perhaps investigate reality through the lens of meditation, remote viewing and astral projection?
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>>1674
The whole point of reading is to decide whether ideas are right or wrong and to expand on existing ideas. When you read things like Plato's dialogues, or study buddhism, you are meant to follow their logic and see where they go wrong, taking everything before those errors with you and recognizing why the rest of it is in error. Often I find that I feel an innate sense of "rightness" when reading something that fits with the Aryan worldview and eternal truth.  

We, as potential National Socialists, are meant to be the exact opposites of the reactionaries of history. Instead of basing our systems on presuppositions and the problems of the day, we drive at the root essence of history and derive our beliefs from it. While I wouldn't call our beliefs new, they also haven't been seen in full since before known history.
>christogena
The people on that site are autistic faggots who are easy to troll and debate against. Glowniggers are literally all over Christian identity movements no matter where you go because its leaders open the gates to subversion. How many times do we have to tell you stupid faggots that ((( Christian Identify ))) is just kosher White supremacy? Anyone who has read it will instantly BTFO them in any argument on the notion that Yeshua wuz Saxon or Aryan, and that Christianity is exclusive to White people. Protestants, Catholics and Orthocucks especially won't follow CI dogma because they accept that it is a universal religion and are fine with that. The idea that Wypipos are the real Jews will never work on actual or even secular Christians because they actually acknowledge that they are not Jews by blood. Also CIs only hate the Jews because they are envious and want to be like them.
>>8 (OP) 
Don't forget to add EVROPA SOBERANA's mythical Roma contra Judea, Judea contra Roma.

https://archive.org/details/RomeContraJudaea
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>>1693
I'm busying reading Nietzsche at the moment, can you give a breakdown?
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dumping random thoughts here:
Christianity is something we'll have to work with, for better or worse. When we establish a white ethnostate (preferably in the PNW), a sizable contingent will be Christian.
Christianity is considered a conservative tradition simply because it's been with us for so long; it provided Medieval Europe with the unifying ideology they needed. However, it's Abrahamic and Levantine, and not truly of our Volk, but rather a foreign borrowing fitted to our purposes. Our true roots are pagan. Shinto is an analogous form of paganism for the Japanese, and as a living tradition, gives us a sense of what Western Paganism might've been to this day had it not been submerged under an Abrahamic tidal wave.
Christianity was in many ways the Leftism of the ancient world. Its egalitarianism, slave morality, race denialism, and aggressive virulence are all strikingly similar. It was a radical cult in the Roman era, which has only become venerable through its long history.

Also, the sketch I posted earlier + a swastika alternative. Escaping the simulation of the Demiurge through transcendent spiritual properties is a tricky thing to represent with a simple sketch, but I'm pretty much set on the open pentagram and multiple infinities, both of which are subtle redpills.
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>Abrahamism Deprogramming
Literarily impossible.
It's alternatives atheism-agnosticism & neo-paganism are simply too weak to replace it.
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>>1817
To add to my post:
Any theology based on politics(fundamentally materialistic) can NEVER replace an actual religion based on a spiritual-emotional 'deeper reality'.
THAT is what neo-paganism is, at its heart. A cynically designed false-religion with people "worshiping" deities that they, in their hearts simply don't and never will believe are real.
And, atheism-agnosticism is really just a prop for the 'useful tool' of science; which is in itself a 'useful tool' for propping up our technological society. And finally; technological society, is a prop, for mankind's eternal desire to pursue immediate pleasure and escape from pain.
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>>1817
>>1818
Now this is doublethink.

>religion that only got anywhere because of ((( materialist funding ))) and attracting the weak via threats of damnation is the strong horse, goy

>props
Is this the new 'spook'?
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>>1819
>Is this the new 'spook'?
All avatar-fags are retards until proven spooks.
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>Doublethink
I have never heard of 'materialist funding' of (I assume) early Christianity. Please elaborate.
>>1820
>Two images in a row, following the same theme constitutes avatar-fagging.
Anon...
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>>1817
It is far from impossible, many Anon's from this board and it's past iterations have broken away completely, the lemmings do not matter, they will either abandon the jewish religion or be left to die with their nigger spics and jews, either way, we win, as we always will, because as we follow the will of the Gods, we follow the will of Nature and Nature always wins eventually.
>>1825
He means jews, the religion was a nearly entirely jewish movement for probably the first 5 centuries of it's existence, and it has never been Aryan in any way shape or form.
>>1817
>Literarily impossible.
It's alternatives atheism-agnosticism & neo-paganism are simply too weak to replace it.
This is a perfect example of trying to establish a false dichotomy.
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>>1828
Also, notice how it's always the weebs who say stupid shit. Further proof that anime rots the brain as much as porn does.
You guys see that "Christian Nationalism" shit that was on Twitter for a week and a half? Shit was funny as fuck. It was like they all collectively forgot that they'd take a christian invader over a pagan local any day.
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>>1833
Can you provide some context?
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>>1836
I cannot. I saw "Christian Nationalist" in people's bios for a while, I saw some tweets about how the system wouldn't work, then I stopped seeing it.
I was kind of hoping that somebody here was more involved in that deal than I was and was willing to share a story or something.
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>>1839
I don't pay attention to shit on twitter in general. Almost everyone on there is a retard, no joke. You have NatSoc pedophiles and perverted weebs who have no idea of how fascism or national socialism works, zionists trying to infiltrate the RW, and ((( leftoids ))) being dumb and degenerate as usual. Christian nationalism was obviously a psy-op that was and never is going to get anywhere as far as being something that is exclusive to the terminally online. It's just a rehash of what the jews already want, but it is supposed to be more "traditional". Only jews and feds ever took it seriously.
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>inb4 responding to a late comment

>When i was wrong i accepted that i was wrong,
<does nothing of the sort
You didn't admit you were wrong about the Soviet Union being jewish, which the link provides undeniable evidence of, and proceeded to make more excuses for Jordan Peterson's blatant zionism. Even if the Soviet Union connection to jews can be denied, you have failed to do so with any coherent tangibility or contrary evidence. You're doing the same rhetoric that the feds and Mossad does on a daily basis, where they come onto imageboards and other right-wing sites that oppose the New Jew Order and deny obvious facts and attempt to make the person out to be delusional. Your first sentence makes it evident that you're a fanatical liar and dishonest.

>The Jews are part of the Satanic conspiracy since they worship a holy serpent.
Look, boomer, jews aren't "satanic". Satan merely means anything that is considered an adversary to the Hebrews. I know you christcucks think it means something totally different, but that is just where you prove to everyone that you have no awareness of what you practice and worship. It is an admission that they're against truth and nature. Claiming that jews represent the negative connotation means that you are an NPC, and you hypocritically admit that Jordan Peterson is also of the same character, as his diplomatic actions do not advocate a better sense of character but a demand for greater control and "responsibility" over the world.

> It doesn't matter even though i did make arguments because everyone ignored them and then tried to get me banned lol. 
We like people who aren't disingenuous, and that is what you've been doing all this time. You refuse to be eloquent
and meaningful, which thus warrants a ban. We aren't in the wrong for dumping out ignorant and dishonest individuals.

>Jordan Peterson being diplomatic to Jewish people is not enough evidence to say hes controlled by Jews
Jordan Peterson has been worshiping jews throughout his entire career. He says things that are on par with zionists think of themselves and of course the videos the other anon provided clearly show this. His values and statements literally align with the Talmud. The issue isn't that there is no evidence of him being controlled by jews by links above, it is that you're too ignorant or purposely refuse to put the pieces together. Try applying all the things he has said about the jews and replace them with White people, and then you'll say he's a White supremacist.
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>>1538
Gnostic theodicy is pretty simple and elegant. Material world is drowned in suffering and injustice because it was created by an evil, Jewish idea.

Mainstream Christians have to jump through many a hoop to explain the 'problem of evil' away, or to force themselves to not believe their lying eyes.
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>>1582
Why should we despise Indians who want to live in India without Jewish influence? Or Muslims who want to be Muslims in a desert without kikes or kiked out American military bombing them every other day?

Non-whites are a problem in White societies. All of them. Even the 'good' ones. But they're not a problem if they're staying in their jungle/deserts.
>>2089
>Material world is drowned in suffering and injustice because it was created by an evil, Jewish idea.
How do people reconcile the idea of the material world being evil with nature and the inner workings of the natural world being beautiful? You would just have to not think about it, or be so consumed by jewish thought that you deny your inner appreciation of nature. It only seems to hold up to me of you don't think about it at all.
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>>2092
>How do people reconcile the idea of the material world being evil with nature and the inner workings of the natural world being beautiful?
>>>/fascist/970
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>>2092
Elaborate answer is given by Schopenhauer (building on Plato) in World as a Will and Representation and is not conditional on any religious dogma.

A short answer is that Beauty is transcedned and not wholly of this world. Art, especially music, provides a direct glimpse beyond the dreary tapestry that ordinary men call 'their' world (More accurately, it's the world that has them, not other way around.)
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>>2103
*transcendent
Holy fuck I cannot spell today! Demiurge must be mad at me more than usual.
>>2089
If you think the world the material world is Jewish because things don't turn out to be in your favor, then you're fucking retarded not to mention against fucking fascism. I don't know why you gnostic-tards are here, because your own beliefs are against are universalist and non-action taking dribble.

<I'm a devoted reader of Evola, particularly of his extraordinary political and social-philosophical texts, but take heed of 'Evolianism' (and the even more dangerous Guénonism) that turns away from practical, tangible issues. Reflection must serve action and is not to be confused with metaphysical tautalogies. I particularly address this warning to my Italian friends. – Guillaume Faye, Why We Fight

<Once blasphemy against God was the greatest blasphemy, but God died, and thereupon these blasphemers died too. To blaspheme the earth is now the most dreadful offence, and to esteem the bowels of the Inscrutable more highly than the meaning of the earth. -Thus Spoke Zarathustra by Friedrich Nietzsche.
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>>2000
>spengler
he was a jew
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>>2111
And occasionally Jews tell the truth, That is one such moment for Oswald Spengler.
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>>2103
>Art, especially music, provides a direct glimpse beyond the dreary tapestry that ordinary men call 'their' world (More accurately, it's the world that has them, not other way around.
First, if Schopey actually understood Plato's metaphysics, he would realize that, with the One being static and the source of all things, as well as the greatest good, everything that emanates from it must constitute a greater good on some scale, whether at an earthly level or universally. Ultimately, your view of beauty is subjective, because you are refusing to view certain things on a higher level, and, in doing this, you deny yourself the ability so see the struggle of the Aryan with the world, and against the Jew, as beautiful in a certain way. There is beauty in everything, even if, through the lens of racial morality, we see things like the jew as inherently disgusting and evil, and rightly so. 

We don't need music or art to see the transcendent in man. The story of Adolf Hitler should be proof enough of this. 

>>2096
>>>/fascist/970
Lel, that post was, in part, a response to one of my posts. I should have squashed that guy's fetid opinions when I had the chance. 

Now, I'm a firm believer in transcendental metaphysics, but what that anon is saying is actual nonsense. It feels like reading Evola or the Church Fathers in the worst way possible. He takes a lot of needlessly complicated terms and a lot of words to say nothing of substance. 

I am reminded of the Buddha's concept of unanswerable questions: Do I exist, do others exist, et cetera. This anon answers similarly useless questions, such as "How do I, specifically, escape suffering", and "What happens to ME when I die", predicated by faulty metaphysics. He shows his hatred of the struggle that defines not only the Aryan, but also all life by seeing it as wholly evil. Not once does the poster summon the courage to mention the Jews by name, and he says that the "balance" of universal forces is somehow evil, even though the overturning of either of these forces would result in the end of struggle and lead, essentially, to eternal entropy (although the struggle for dominance is totally appropriate). "Gnostic" thought is just a striving against nature and natural law, and this is not what Aryans do.

This anon >>2109 is right. At its core,  gnosticism is almost entirely focused on non-physical, selfish pursuits, and is therefore anti-life and harmful to the Aryan spirit.
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>>2109
Nietzsche is a hack, a degenerate syphilitic, and a profound hater of German nation. By his own admission.

You talk about action, but here we are both shitposting on anonymous imageboards. The thought and action must be in correspondence to each other. You can protest trannies at your local school districts, fight antifa or do some other tough guy bullshit - it does not affect the System in the slightest bit. And if you had the ability to harm Wall Street or City of London Jews, you'd have already done so.

So, yes, "we" are very much against taking ill-thought out actions that do nothing but harm to the doer and to the other White men.

Other anon
>>2113
Posits a priori an existence of some Aryan spirit. Of course, we've al read Evola and aforementioned Guenon. However, it seems to lack a positive definition, and a negative one (Aryan spirit is a spirit that is not Jewish) is too inclusive, since it would incorporate primitive (unaffected by Semitic religions) Negroes, most Asians and other Savages.
It is fine to say 'I know the Aryan spirit exists, but I don't know what it is'. Then, the next question should be 'How can we know what it is?'.

But instead, charlatans like you begin to throw out the entirety of Aryan philosophy arguing on behalf of ill-defined 'Aryan spirit'. 

That is Judaism, pure and simple.
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>>2112
Agree. Spengler is one of the few Jews with true that we can take well from learning from, but ultimately he's still a hack who doesn't deserve praise for who he is.
>>2114
>Nietzsche is a hack, a degenerate syphilitic
Nietzsche literally gave birth to Fascism and National Socialism. Even if you want to argue that he wasn't, he was still a huge inspiration. To call him a hack is to call the ideology you pretend to be part of a hack as well. The belief in Aryan superiority was also inspired by Nietzsche. Confirmed shill, or just retarded?

>and a profound hater of German nation. By his own admission.
He stated that he hated what Germany had become. Nietzsche detested the state, the institutions, and the religion that have corrupted the Teutonic mind. He views the Teutonic, aka the blond beast, as magnificent in contrast to the Der Deutche, who has become submissive and passive due to Christianity's magic turning great men into cattle. He made this clear in his writings, but of course those who oppose Nietzsche never have anything intelligent to say because they can't read for anything.

>You talk about action, but here we are both shitposting on anonymous imageboards
You lack self-awareness. You also claim to have le esoteric and muh gnostic knowledge, but here you are shitposting a meme and a bunch of ignorant dribble that accomplishes nothing other than inactivity and hopean. In the end, what you say and use against me also applies to (((  You  ))). Because you aren't enlightening Whites, you're up making theories and stating what you believe based on your own thoughts and those of other retards like yourself who think in a similar fashion to you (Evola and Guenon).


>he thought and action must be in correspondence to each other.
No shit Sherlock. Too bad gnostic-tards such as yourself fail to recognize what this means and how to bring it about. 

>You can protest trannies at your local school districts, fight antifa or do some other tough guy bullshit - it does not affect the System in the slightest bit.
And, sitting your ass, LARPing as some priest, and spewing bullshit about the Aryan spirit is totally a step to take down the system. Try formulating a constructive point with self-awareness and elaborating how your failed philosophical garbage will succeed when you're not in a lesser position. To imply that Fascism or National Socialism are compatible with gnostic garbage in any way or form confirms that you do not know what you preach, faggot. I've noticed that all you have are insults, are you woman by chance? 

>And if you had the ability to harm Wall Street or City of London Jews, you'd have already done so.
What is this "You", you mean. It sounds to me that you're implying that you're outside of this circle.
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>>2114
Can you clarify what parts of Christian Gnostic thought you agree with and what parts you don't?

>it seems to lack a positive definition, and a negative one (Aryan spirit is a spirit that is not Jewish) is too inclusive, since it would incorporate primitive (unaffected by Semitic religions) Negroes, most Asians and other Savages.
Morality and Race Consciousness is individual to each race. The Aryan Spirit is the spirit of the Aryan people. It needs no other definition, and is felt intuitively. It is justice, honor, right. If you can't sense it, I don't know what to tell you. I know it, and gnostic thought is opposed to it.

The Jewish spirit is the spirit we see commonly in Jews. These concepts really aren't that complicated. You are only trying to deconstruct them because you cannot actually defend gnosticism.

None of this is to mention the fact that, instead of actually engaging with any of the arguement so in my previous post, you chose to pilpul about some gay socratic notion of "you cant know anything because you cannot perfectly define it". 

Try arguing for your "ill-defined" metaphysics next time instead of hen-pecking my argument. You have still not addressed how a being of the same spirit of the jews is able to harness beauty as a part of its creation when the jews, and by extension, the "demiurge" should be entirely incapable of this. You can't say, "he corrupted absolute forms of beauty", because anything that exists in the physical world must be in some way imperfect (differing from heavenly form) to be perceived. You would be then be advocating for the total dissolution of the material world, which would out you as anti-life and anti-struggle, and therefore not a fascist or National Socialist.

>But instead, charlatans like you begin to throw out the entirety of Aryan philosophy arguing on behalf of ill-defined 'Aryan spirit'
>That is Judaism, pure and simple.
These are two more instances of pilpul. In the first one, you cast the wide net of "charlatans like you" over everybody who disagrees with you and then boldly, and quite falsely, declare gnostic thought to "the entirety of Aryan Philosophy", despite gnostic thought, like all anti-life thought systems, originating from non-aryan peoples (here it comes from the jews). And in regards to your "arguing on behalf of ill-defined 'Aryan spirit'", I'll say this: I'll argue on behalf of an ill-defined 'Aryan spirit until the day I die, because I feel it in me. Every genuine person on this site feels it, but you don't. That is because you are here to shill your homo pseudo-jew world view, and not to advocate for Aryans. You are placing "gnosticism" before your own people. You need to get over yourself. 

And don't try to Saul Alinsky me. It isn't going to work. Go sperg about the demiurge, or prison planet, or loosh farming on 4/x/, they'll eat it up there. We don't want it here though.
I find it funny and worrying that there still exists the type of anons who haven't come to realize that Gnosticism is a sham. I wouldn't be surprised if it were used by feds as a weapon against right-wingers and fascists as well.
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>>8 (OP) 
>How can we explain that abrahamism is incompatable with a White National Socialist ethnostate?
I think the biggest disillusionment is the crusader memes and the concept of a holy land.

Even North Korea has Mt. Paektu as a holy land.

What about us? Mt. Zion?
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>>2197
Mount Olympus, Uppsala, Delphi, Wewelsburg Castle, numerous locations where churches now sit and must be leveled and cleansed with the blood of christniggers, just to name a few
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I guess it's time to leave nazism as well.
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>>2253
Veronica Clark, whom most of the bullshit in your little picture is "sourced" from is a christnigger that tries to slander National Socialism with a lot of blatantly untrue bullshit about Hitler, like that he liked christianity and devout rather than the truth of him despising it so thoroughly that he didn't trust any of his personal SS Unit to be Christian or to attend Church regularly as his conversations with Mussolini show us, and how they acted with minorities and racial inferiors.This cunt does this by pointing out and focusing on  facts such as that NSDAP Germany used foreign volunteers, just like the french did, and many others in the second world war alone, no country or nation has ever really refused that, also that they allowed people considered German under the Nuremburg laws to be non-jewish is also not remotely surprising, even if today we wouldn't let those people in, because we understand genetics better now, having one jewish great-grandfather did not, under those laws, make one not German. Exceptions were for 1/4th to full jews made for outstanding service and merit mostly in the Wehrmacht. Hitler was not unreasonable, and was quite pragmatic and even the most Hardcore NS knows this and considers it a consequence of Hitler's conception of Honor and ignorance of things revealed only after he left this world.
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/christian/ is the new /leftypol/, raiding almost all other boards and sites from the webring to forcing their ideas and if you disagree... oh boy, they will samefag and spam black cocks.
>>2256
Hitler should have never allied with non-Whites. That's how non-Whites get into White nationalism; they claim that "see, Hitler's cool with the darker races!" We don't want them and we do not need them simply because they are our enemies too; jews aren't the only one (which A LOT of people think they are).
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>>2261
Hitler made mistakes, as do we all. that said his use of lesser races as fodder and when their use outweighs the risk was a necessity and being the very life of Germany was at risk he can't be blamed for choosing not to  refuse any helping hand he was offered.
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>>2261
>Hitler should have never allied with non-Whites. That's how non-Whites got into White nationalism 
Non-Whites got into White nationalism because of shit-skins who found themselves on /pol/, and the fault of neo-nazi feds tolerating and purposely inviting spics and niggers to White exclusive movements. Are we now blaming faults that were established by imageboard weeaboos, on Hitler rather than themselves?
>>2256
>having one jewish great-grandfather did not, under those laws, make one not German.
It's Jewish so it's part of the Jewish conspiracy, time to reject it.
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>>2253
>wikipedia as a source
>veronica clark
Are you retarded?
>>2300
>It's Jewish so it's part of the Jewish conspiracy, time to reject it.
Are you going to do the same for christcuckery?
>>2300
>It's Jewish so it's part of the Jewish conspiracy, time to reject it.
Why do I sense that you're a fed trying hard to get us to drop National Socialism?
Occasionally I'll visit a church in hopes that I'll meet some other young whites who live responsibly despite having differing religious beliefs. All I ever find are niggerkike-worshipping Boomers.
In a way it's a whitepill because it means that Christianity is dying of its own accord. But it isn't as if young people are flocking to AFA, either. They just become hedonists and fornicators.
The Jews have done more damage to us than I ever dreamed. I'm kind of demoralised, tbh. I have no idea how to begin meeting others who see eye to eye with me. Every young white I know is a golem NPC. I unironically find more agreement with conservative Jews and immigrants from the mideast, because at least they value their own cultures. It makes me want to drink.
Sorry for the blogspot but as someone who's always relied on the internet as an intellectual outlet the encroaching censorship has really taken a toll on my mental health. Even Frenschan is run by oversensitive Christcucks.
>>2253
>Veronica Clark 
She's a psuedo-historian. She writes stupid shit on "black nazis" and negroes living within Germany. Her books lack evidence and much of is it are just made up stories. The only instance she could use of negroids associating with Germans would have to be The Free Arabian Legion which were a military unit established to fight the Allies within Tunisia and help them overthrow British/Free France occupation across North-Africa and Syria. Although, the majority of them weren't niggers of any case, but were mostly of West-Asian/North African origin. They also may have been recruited by Gaylani due to a lack of manpower not because the Germans were willing and accepting of anyone of different races. Working with the Germans doesn't make you a nazi.

>On Nazis of non-Germanic decent
>sources are from a former Israeli agent
The wiki page within your image isn't even from (((  wikipedia  ))), but military history wiki, which both are infamous for incorrect and vague sources. Most of the the individuals who are said to be mischlings originates from ((( Rigg )))'s "Hitler's Jewish Soldiers", which is dubious and misleading. For instance, all of his accounts of German high-ranking officials are only said to have had one grand-parent who supposedly have jew blood but only according to Rigg. The Nuremberg Laws specifically categorized mischlings as "half-jew" and "one-quarter", so I barely see how they were jewish if they just would fail Israel's own DNA tests for qualification of citizenship. None of them were said to be apart of the party itself as well, only soldiers of the German military. He himself even admits that they were going to kick out all mischlings from the Wehrmacht altogether, but I hold strongly that he is lying about it all if not most of his accounts of high officials and poster children being jewish as most agents of Israel do. Not to mention that he fails to bring any traces or evidence for jewish ancestry, I don't know this guy is considered to have found a great discovery. 

>volunteers
The Waffen-SS containing jews and non-Aryans is blatant lie; they were barred from joining even if they had only a single jewish grand-parent or weren't German at all. Your image is comprised of foreign volunteers of the Wehrmacht to resolve geopolitical conflicts of the French and British Empires were using against the Germans, Italians and Japanese respectively. Only exclusively European descendants were able to join the SS. 

>b-but muh pajeets in da SS!!!!
Azad Hind Fauj simply were just another military unit of volunteers who were used for anti-partisan activities and to eliminate British influences throughout India. The SS generally were assigned to curtail any form of rebellion against the Reich, thus they collaborated and recruited sympathetic POWs and nationalists Indians who also wanted the British out of India as well. Not anything affecting the over-all system and party of the Reich or acceptance of non-Germans in a party for German and Aryans exclusively. What a bunch of cope, you lolbergs and MAGA-cucks can't even provide accurate information, just more retarded shit that comes from agents and bad historians.
While /christian/ keeps raiding other boards or spamming black cocks, their masters are happy.
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Man I don't get to come here often because I'm an incredibly busy person now by the time I find this place but op, I fuckin' love you for making this thread and judging by the replied I really feel I've found some family. It's soo hard to find a klan of quality racial Men who aren't completely brainwashed larping Hebes. 

Anyways, something I do is I call them out on absolutely everything that comes out of their mouth. Every contradiction, every insult to our people or myself, every hypocrisy, I don't give them an inch. Don't ever surrender ground to a Christian (or Abrahamist in general). Not one inch. They're not in fucking charge and I'm not going to let them act like they are.
Christ is King.
He will come back.
I have nothing againts pagans or paganism and alot of evidence suggests pagan gods are angels in christianity.
Christianity is againts everything jewish.
I denouce the talmud.
Shills gonna kvetch.
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>>2488
>claims to deny jews
<Follows Jewish mythology
You niggers will never stop betraying your own.
>>2488
Wasted dubs on obvious bait.
>>2488
>a lot of evidence suggests pagan gods are angels in christianity
there is no evidence of this.
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How does this not make him an asshole?
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>>2531
That tree had it coming.
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>>2548
Except the tree had nothing do with Israel.
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>>2493
There is evidence that the pagan Gods are demons and Satanism is jewish as well.
>1 Corinthians 10:20 But I say, that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to devils, and not to God: and I would not that ye should have fellowship with devils.

>Galatians 4:8 Howbeit then, when ye knew not God, ye did service unto them which by nature are no gods.
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>>2753
Thats a claim from the bible, its not even remotely evidence.
>>2752
Jesus never existed, he was not ever a human, he was always a figment of the imagination of jews designed on the story of Romulus, and the Iliad, to appeal to the Hellenic-Roman world. Yahweh is not God or a demiurge or whatever you wish to shill him as, he isn't even a diety, he is a perversion of something against it's nature that is fed energy by the jews and christniggers, and various other Abrahamic cults, to give it enormous power to influence people and the world against it's will, nothing more, and it will be freed and backfire on them all tremendously.
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>>2752
Go back to 4cuck /pol/ and stay there. 
Also
>You worship a Jew, why?
<MUH JEW IS GOD!!!!
lol.
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>>8 (OP) 
>realize what Rome was, also Greece
>realize what the period of gnosticism is 
>realize what the original stories were like in regards to being mixed via that period of 'seeking knowledge (through listening to mesopotamians?)' 
>realize the difference between middle east and what it was, mesopotamia
>even glancing at the tulmud after all of that 
>realize that jews are the original racist terrorist ironically  
>realize that Rome could not destroy the fake whites known as jews as they had no nation until 1948 ergo no holy land to burn to ruin their faith 
>just because they are white and nomadic they end up telling others what to fucken believe thousands of years after being told to fuck off over and over again
>realize even ancient christfags hated kikes finally then realize how fucking ironic and retarded this mental gymanstics is that someone would hate kikes while worshipping the outcast kike that betrayed his own after first hating the goyim/gentiles/etc 

Basically it involves reading fucking wikipedia articles, archive.org books, and nothing more. Just literally crack a book, NOT THAT ((( ONE ))), some time. Well, yes ((( tulmud ))) but just realize torah is post ROme falling and melting pot bullshit of gnosticism. Christfaggotry is paganism holydays with the stories all wrong. They even forced us to stop worship on saturday, day of saturn, saturn was worshipped by whites but the sun god was an egypt thing, they make us do it on sunday? Morning star, another word  for Satan. Fun to think about isn't it? Things like, "did you know that Iraq was called Sumeria and they thought that flying winged bulls taught them to farm and also THE FLOOD STORY CAME FROM THEM but no big deal no one teaches about cultures that had cuneiform, gods forbid we get an original ((( mesopotamian ))) story so we could filter the shit out of the bible we were forced to have. 

At the end of the day faith will trump logic every time though so don't waste your time, right winger. 

t. social libertarian
>>2755
>Thats a claim from the bible, its not even remotely evidence.
There is plenty of evidence for the Bible.
>Jesus never existed,
You're a wrong.
>>2756
>Go back to 4cuck /pol/ and stay there. 
I will go wherever i please, you have zero power over me.
>lol.
LOL OWNED! XD
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>>2755
>jesus never existed
<god is real tho he is a tulpa/egregore 
I saw a documentary once about how Jesus was a Roman hired agent to get the Jews to stop being terrorists. It'd be removed from jewtube by now though but it makes sense that a false hero would show up and get killed, probably happened a lot, just like many "King Arthurs" probably happened and the final story is to stop more from showing up. "the once and FUTURE King, now stop trying to be in control goyim! The current society is not WORTHY of the grail but it doth exist!!!! 

What wise man that went away for 9 moons that would tell people they should even look for it. A jew. A traveling jew. Merlin was a kike I bet. Wizard meant wize man by the way, it is where the word comes from. They also said jesus is the real jesus, like taht avatar bull or Lost, they perform tests to see if it's 'a miracle child'. Stopped that and for what? THIS? Stagnation without hope for change, just hope for death. Thanks for that. 

But no, jesus surely existed just like king arthru did, all the way up until they banned being a hero.
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By avatar or lost I mean like in that scene with John Locke and the toys and also Aang, baby jesus and the 3 wise men decided he was god. Traveling propagandists in other words.

Also, wasn't the Quran's profit guilty of having red hair and prolly a kike too or..... of course no drawings allowed!
>>2758
>will go wherever i please, you have zero power over me.
All you're going to do is get banned after getting debunked after the hundredth time for being jew-worshipper. Your posting resembles that of a q-tard, so it won't be too long. 

>LOL OWNED! XD
You suffer from autism.

>>2759
Take your meds.
>autist! sizophrenic!
upgrade ur taunts
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>>2758
>There is plenty of evidence for the Bible.
Provide examples of such evidence.  Much of the "evidence" Christian churches provide are always exposed as fabrications and forgeries of archeology and ancient texts of anything biblical. Roman authors such as Petronius, Seneca , Martial , Quintillian, and Pliny the Elder do not mentioning anything of christians or a Yeshua character. Then there's the numerous contradictions that do not align with archeological evidence or even ancient works recorded during its age.

>inb4 muh Tacitus and Christus
Tacitus only mentions "christians" and "Christus" once, although he doesn't refer to any incident within Jerusalem at the time that parallels with the New Testament's Yeshua. No one other than Tacitus mentions "Christian", but nothing of a half-Roman jew being seen as a messiah.
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>>2762
You can't even spell the word schizophrenic correctly. Upgrade your fucking brain, retard.
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>>2764
>oh noes a typo
Do I hafta call ya autistic? Do I really?
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>>2769
>Demanding a poster to talk with coherency is autistic
All of your posts are retarded schizo rants about the Arthurian legends, so it wouldn't be out of line that you can't spell even the most of simplest of words correctly, due to your uncontained autism. We want enlightening information on how Abrahamism fucked up the world, not stupid shit about "KING ARTHUR WUZ ACTUALLY A JEWZZZ!". Take this shit to /pol/ or Q-anon if you want sub-human low-IQ posters to believe your shit.
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>>2770
>ur dumb
>ur autistic
>no u
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>>2771
Literally not what I said. Kill yourself, please.
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>>2775
>can't read the comment chain and or remember it
>I am the retard tho
Essentially it is exactly how the conversation went, back and forth from between us, ergo, again, no u.
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>>2779
>>can't read the comment chain and or remember it
Nigger brain. 

>>I am the retard tho
Yup, and your nigger speak, confirms it.
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>>2548
Nigger, it was a fig tree. It didn't grow anything, because your dumb rabbi with "the wisdom of (((  God  )))" was too stupid to know that fig trees do not grow fruit during long summers or mild winters. It's good an example of his arrogance and hatred of nature. A creator or son of a creator would not be retarded enough to not know the nature of his own or father's creation.
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>>2853
>>116
The definitive, single argument against semite worship is that I am a White man and that I will not do it (I would expect any White woman of value to say the same thing. The Odinist Lady Seana wrote the best modern treatise on honor and values, but beyond that, no, you do not "argue" with your enemies, you rebel against and destroy them.

https://odinia.org/?page_id=421

In fact, anyone who even thinks for themselves will realize that what I have said is true. Fuck semitic pilpul and haggling over what I'm "allowed" to believe.
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>>8 (OP) 
>How can we deprogram abrahamists?
A strategy being picked up on is emphasizing how Jewish or foreign Christianity is or outlandish. Double down on this.

1.
Pagans should focus on the Christian concept of Heaven ultimately. They talk so much about Hell and little about Heaven itself, but Heaven is their ultimate desired destination for all Christians and what they sacrifice this earthly life for.
Try by referring to Heaven as ((( New Jerusalem ))) explicitly.
New Jerusalem is described in Revelations as having 12 gates for the 12 tribes of Israel and goes along with the grafting mentality of Christianity: that gentiles are grafted into the House of Israel.
This will underpin the salvations is of the Jews.

>Of Heaven or New Jerusalem, there are 12 gates as of the 12 Tribes of Israel of Mt. Zion.
Revelation 21:12
>And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:
Matthew 7:13-14
>Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.
John 4:22
>Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews


2.
Russians mock Ukrainians by calling them pigs.
Pagans could make Christians foreign or outlandish by portraying them as retarded fish not caring about what's at stake with our race and out of this world. Fish are a Christian symbol.
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Christians monopolize on the idea that Christianity gives this life meaning as opposed to Nihilism.

Yet the Christian worldview emphasizes that this is a Broken or Fallen World that cannot be fixed and only a temporary playground for two destinations: Heaven or Hell. 

There is a very anti-social tendency in Christianity to look down upon Society outside the Church and even to look down upon the lay people in the pews. The world is sin and humans sinful and dirty creatures. Don't fraternize with people in Society outside the Church.

The pro-Christian posters lately lionize the Clergy and Monks over everyone else. Making the ultimate symbol of manliness to escape from Society and be atomized in a reclusive monastery to never reproduce.

The fascist life-affirming ideals contrast strongly with Christianity here. Pagans should take jabs at their heavy emphasis on asceticism and monasticism they're trying to shill very hard as the peak of manliness.

Catholicism in particular has always been vulnerable for positioning itself as apart from Society and alien to it. Making things like nationhood, race, heritage, and culture merely secular or worldly values without meaning in the world to come.

When considering what makes life meaningful, consider then that Christianity disregards the European Pythagorean doctrine of reincarnation: there is no returning or coming back to this world, so preserving your race and your heritage and your culture doesn't matter ultimately.
>>3098
>A strategy
>should focus
>try
>could
All discourse should be done with true and genuine intent to make the other party (not "opponent") come to the same conclusion as you organically, not by laying cookie cutter tactics and stratagems and arguing dishonestly in an attempt to pressure and shame the perceived "enemy" into giving ground. This is pure kike talk, the same ones you profess to despise so much. You are a huge hypocrite.
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Tradcaths are vulnerable to being portrayed as LatinX mestizos too.

>>3100
The OP prompts how do we deprogram abrahamists.
>how
By giving a strategy and items to focus on, it answers >how

>in an attempt to pressure and shame
Peer pressure and shame is a valid way to funnel people.
Keep in mind, it's futile focusing too much on the other party (the hardcore devotees). The real target audience are the bystanders caught in the crossfire who aren't firmly rooted.
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>>1818
>Any theology based on politics(fundamentally materialistic) can NEVER replace an actual religion based on a spiritual-emotional 'deeper reality'
Even Christianity has a spiritual policy or spiritual city:
The New Jerusalem or Heaven.
As well as the Holy Land.
There are ideal aspirations for politics towards a better society and religion has a part in it. There are ideal aspirations for the political good.
Christianity too has adopted political thinking too thanks to Hellenization for the most part, especially for Church. The fatal flaw is this is denied as an aspiration where it reasonably should be: why shouldn't we have ideals about our race and our policy and our everyday lives here?
It is especially clear today there's no returning to the time when people regarded the Church as their home and society as a barren wasteland: now more than ever people are rightfully concerned about the fate of their people in this world and the next generation and their allegiance.
Nationalist anons are right to say that if we rejected these values, there should be no reason why we shouldn't consider a Mexican Catholic important to us than our own.
>>837
Was it?
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>>3104
You and I both know it wasn't, The Talmud is older than Christianity by far, do not feed even old dead trolls.
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>>3105
IDK, he might be right about the Talmud.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talmud
>Originally, Jewish scholarship was oral and transferred from one generation to the next. Rabbis expounded and debated the Torah (the written Torah expressed in the Hebrew Bible) and discussed the Tanakh without the benefit of written works (other than the Biblical books themselves), though some may have made private notes (megillot setarim), for example, of court decisions. This situation changed drastically due to the Roman destruction of the Jewish commonwealth and the Second Temple in the year 70 and the consequent upheaval of Jewish social and legal norms. As the rabbis were required to face a new reality—mainly Judaism without a Temple (to serve as the center of teaching and study) and total Roman control over Judaea, without at least partial autonomy—there was a flurry of legal discourse and the old system of oral scholarship could not be maintained. It is during this period that rabbinic discourse began to be recorded in writing.
>The oldest full manuscript of the Talmud, known as the Munich Talmud (Codex Hebraicus 95), dates from 1342 and is available online.
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>>3106
He isn't, they began writing it down when Hadrian purged them, but it is beyond apparent they managed to maintain some oral scholarship through that entire period, They managed to unify and compile the while thing in 1342, that doesn't mean it only goes back to that time, and other evidence dictates it goes back much much farther.
>>3098
Heaven and New Jerusalem are two different concepts doe. One happens after the return of Jesus and a physical city will be established on earth.
https://www.christcuck.org/p/home.html
>>3105
>The Talmud is older than Christianity by far
The Talmud, no. Elements of the Oral law, yes. The Talmud can't mention Jesus (which it does) if it is older than Christianity. Not sure why this fake ass meme is pushed of all places here but whatever. It wasn't even a thing recognized by all Jews as authoritative until after the destruction of the Temple in 70 AD and only with the beginnings of the Mishna. It became absolute over the written Torah by the time of Maimonides.
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>>3125
>The Talmud, no. 
Yes, it did Oral traditions are added to and grow as a people exists, it may not have taken the form it does now then but 2000 years have passed if nothing had changed it would be more suspicious.
>Elements of the Oral law, yes. The Talmud can't mention Jesus (which it does) if it is older than Christianity. 
This is retarded as a claim, this tradition is transparently older than christianity it has direct descent from the Babylonian Talmud which wasn't babylonian in origin as the Jerusalem Talmud predates that, if you think Oral traditions were never added to, or were never subject to human error, invite you to take a look at tha Eddas and the various Sagas and note that they all came about at different times, and tell storiess of figures that existed and some that are more murky.
>Not sure why this fake ass meme is pushed of all places here but whatever. It wasn't even a thing recognized by all Jews as authoritative until after the destruction of the Temple in 70 AD and only with the beginnings of the Mishna. It became absolute over the written Torah by the time of Maimonides.
That Hadrian, Vespasian, and Titus fucked up and didn't finish the job, and that there were some jews who didn't agree with the Talmud is a moot point, it was common enough knowledge among jews that we see the evidence of Talmudic desecration by Christians, who were still largely jewish then and remained so for quite a long time, in later turmoils within Rome at large, after Hadrians purge of Judea. You can keep trying all you like to say oh this wasn't normal but from trustworthy roman sources of the histories, the Pharisees who even used the title Rabbi were the majority of jews, and were quite transparently a large part of early christian converts in the second century CE, and kept the Talmud as part of Christnigger tradition, or the distinctive desecration, described very well in the talmud, that they used on Romans statues would not be there. It was never a meme and was always the truth.
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>>3126
You are pretty much validating what I stated. Elements of the Oral law was present at the 2nd Temple, but the Talmud was not. The Oral law was added onto over time becoming the Talmud much later after Christianity. The Oral law was only a development after the destruction of the first temple and the ensuing exile into Babylon where the first primitive synagogues began to develop as a result of an increase in scripture and a scribal class needing to interpret it. However, nowhere was the synagogue system a replacement for the Temple worship. 
>Pharisees who even used the title Rabbi were the majority of jews
No, they were the largest sect with around 6-7 thousand members, but not the majority of jews. The majority of jews were actually indifferent to the various sects that squabbled and there were several Judaisms present during the 2nd Temple. At no point was the Oral law seen to supersede the written Torah. We know this because Sadducees, Essenes, and Christians were some of the other prominent sects that rejected it. We only see this view way after Christianity with later Rabbinic Jews such Maimonides. After the Romans busted up the Temple, the exiled Jews either disappeared into background cultures, joined Christians, or joined the last remaining Jewish areas surrounding the synagogues, where the scribes and Pharisees hung out. From here the culture shifted upon the Rabbis and overtime the Talmud developed. I am looking at a couple citations from the book Early Judaism by Martin S. Jaffee
>Many of the Judaic worlds of the Second Temple Judea and the Hellenistic Diaspora persisted for quite some time into the post-70 CE period and influenced rabbinic Judaism dramatically

>Rabbinic Judaism did not even begin to dominate the religious imagination and life patterns of large groups of Jews until well after 650 CE

What we know as the Talmud today is hugely different from the oral law during the 2nd Temple both in development and in influence. Quit taking the side of Rabbis attempting to portray themselves as how the Jews always worshipped. There is actually a stronger case for early Christianity, especially in keeping the liturgical practices of the Temple but we won't go there.
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>>3129
>the innocent
>socialist
These are the same kind of people that believe fascism (broad sense) is on the left-right wing spectrum. If you try to explain it to them they'll not understand.
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>>3141
Lmao. Is this supposed to be pro-catholic a
Or anti-catholic?
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>>3142
It's making fun of tradcaths / ultra-clericals shills who desperately want people to identify more with their denomination than their political allegiance / race.
>>3129
>he admired islam
how true is this?
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>>muh three monotheistic religions

Uhm, no.

Old testament speaks about Jesus the Christ if you believe in the new testament

Therefore there is one christian religion and two offshoots, one around 33AD (jewish) the other around 622AD (islam). Note that if you don't like to count from Christ the year becomes 666 Julian calendar.

The judean antichristianity is by definition, there are many hints that antichristianity defines Islam too.

>99 names of Allah, what's missing: FATHER

>sacred day, friday. Day that Christ was killed

>The shahada starts with a denial, of the divinity of the Christ.

>terabytes of videos with Islamic "professors" teaching how the bible says Jesus is not god or how it's irrational to believe in two gods and call it one (to which I reply that you cannot count in the domain of the supernatural entity which transcends spacetime, because beyond space there is no separation and beyond separation there is no fucking count. They also blatantly distorts meanings and interpretation layers. Back to topic)

Of course the real situation is more complex than one christian and two antichristian religions, but to simplify, those who change the laws that Christ came to fulfill, no matter how they call themselves, are antichrists. Christian is defined by behavior not label (Matthew 12:48-50)


Now for the reason why Christianity is a problem for fascism, the actual Christian (the one who reads the gospels and considers Jesus an example) does not obey blindly to ANY temporal authority. Not only because the world is considered something that the believer will be at odds with, but at a fundamental level.
"our father, WHO ART IN HEAVEN"

Yes there is also the modern emasculating tendency that makes Christians weak, but that is part of the war. An actual Christian is not afraid to die.

In Italy Fascism fused with Christianity, not only because of clerics that were still powerful, but because the good behavior for the masses didn't require any deviation from Catholicism.

Personally as a reactionary libertarian I fear that the socialist and pagan aspect of fascism has provided a handy intermediate step from the rural local society to the edonistic global society. Nationalism as the middle ground. OFC I don't mean to tell you what your utopia should be, just try to be sure your utopia doesn't get snatched from your fingers, remember how swiftly it happened with the brownshirts. Good luck.
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>>2763
>no mention of the Christ in the mainstream records of the time

Indeed, but consider this: Bill Gates is called a philanthropist, TODAY, when people who know what Microsoft actually did to sabotage the competition and the users are alive and perfectly able to publish counterpoints. But the lie is repeated too often, as Goebbels teaches.
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I was drunk tho.
>>3166
>In Italy Fascism fused with Christianity
Fascism =/= Integralism

>Personally as a reactionary libertarian
Fascism is neither reactionary nor right libertarian. 
Not surprising seeing another Christian right libertarian.

>I fear that the socialist and pagan
You mean the Statist character of Fascism. 

>a handy intermediate step from the rural local society to the edonistic global society
And you're a Catholic? You do realize that Catholic means Universal and was basically proto-globohomo. Besides, it was colonialism that laid the foundation for a global economy and industrialization.
I understand a right libertarian chooses Catholicism because it operates like a state-within-a-state with its own organizations and in the Middle Ages covered the general welfare and universities. With Catholicism having numerous private schools as well.

The whole appeal to wield something over temporal authority with ultramontanism.

Point in case, there are many political reasons right libertarians become Catholics.

Yet out of all the denominations, Catholicism is the most centralized and Statist in its own right.

Compared to the Orthodox Church, Catholicism puts the Pope as the universal bishop and defies the regional bishops.

Compared to Protestantism, which has numerous local authorities and churches.
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Jesus was an avid drinker so maybe he was drunk in his defense. 

The bible says god makes mistakes. He regrets making man. Anger is a sin yet jesus looses his shit when whipping kikes out of a church for selling shit. 

Sorry to play the 'devils advocate'. Just bored. My point is that god does not see the future. That's part of the scare tactics to make you want to take his side. Armies vs armies. If satan gets enough souls then he wins. That was part of the propaganda. Christfags like to pretend jesus/god/etc can see the future though. The fig tree might have been in season but fucked up anyway due to god making another mistake. He chimps out when his "perfect" creations don't work right, that's the point. He sends people to hell, regrets making them, and at the same time tries to forgive them but only if he turns himself into a whipping boy first (jesus) because he's incapable of being 'that nice'.
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"Again, if God, like Jupiter in the comedy, should, on awaking from a lengthened slumber, desire to rescue the human race from evil, why did he send this Spirit of which you speak into one corner (of the earth)? He ought to have breathed it alike into many bodies, and have sent them out into all the world. Now the comic poet, to cause laughter in the theater, wrote that Jupiter, after awakening, dispatched Mercury to the Athenians and Lacedemonians; but do you not think that you have made the Son of God more ridiculous in sending him to the Jews?" - Celsus
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"Each egalitarian and universalist ideology is necessarily totalitarian, because it aims at reducing all social and spiritual reality to a single model. Thus, monotheism implies the idea that there is only one truth, one God, one type of man who could please God. The Bible places on the scene only one God (Deut. 6.4) who is also a 'jealous God' (Deut. 6.15) Jesus says: 'Those who are not with me are against me.' Hence-forth, to be against God means to be for Evil. And against Evil everything is permitted: genocide, torture, Inquisition.

It is only with Judaeo-Christianity that totalitarianism appears in history, at the moment when Yahweh makes the massacre of infidels his primary task (Deut. 13.9); when he declares to his people: 'You are going to destroy all peoples which the Lord, your God, will deliver you.' (Deaut. 7.16)." - Alain de Benoist
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>>3256
/fascist/ ideology preaches totalitarianism.
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>>3258
I believe I can freely speak for every fascist on this board or anywhere else that we (and I do use the term "we" rather than "I" intentionally) would vastly prefer to see africans running around in zulu dress and zulu custom or whatever else they came up with that worked for them rather than running around in viking garb and viking outfit. 
I can think of a particular group that preferred them huddled in churches though.
So, no, Fascism doesn't preach totalitarianism.
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>So, no, Fascism doesn't preach totalitarianism.
Giovanni preaches totalitarianism within his own book, saying that fascism MUST be totalitarian in doctrine on page 21.
<The first point, therefore, that must be established in a definition of Fascism, is the totalitarian character of its doctrine, which concerns itself not only with political order and direction of the nation, but with its will, thought and sentiment. 

>would vastly prefer to see africans
>africans
You mean niggers? There are Whites living in Africa too. You know that, right?
>running around in zulu dress and zulu custom or whatever else they came up with that worked for them rather than running around in viking garb and viking outfit. 
Totalitarianism in fascism does not believe that all humanoids must devolve into one culture. BTW, you're more sympathetic to the National Socialists regarding this issue, as they were the ones (or few) within the Axis-sphere who did not agree with the idea of the existing totality of the state and actually wanted the totality of a National Socialist worldview, movement, and the Aryan race to be above and beyond.
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>>3262
I did mean africans, simply because (I think) there are africans who do have the large flat noses and smaller skulls that exist here in america (niggers) verses the other black africans who lack such physiology and may be at least a little smarter. I'm no expert on racial physiology though. Boers, Rhodesians, and the like should obviously have been supported above all of them and it was a travesty they were thrown to the wolves instead. 
>>3262
>Giovanni preaches totalitarianism within his own book, saying that fascism MUST be totalitarian in doctrine on page 21.
Oh, thank you, that's good to know. I need to read that text still.
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>>3263
Pure africans are dumber than the niggers in the US most of their intelligence comes from european  admixture, with very rare exception.
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After some lurking and realizing you are indeed a colony from 16chan i think i can ask for the following i never managed to ask there before shut down

I sometimes when i have to deal with christcucks around see that they pull memoairs of confidant or Michael from J. Goebbels as an main argument of le christian nationalist nsdap combined with some accusations of historians that have no basis except of either oral testimonies of very small ranked people etc

Apart of the Michael novel being written before Goebbels was in nsdap and memoairs having doubtful origins in translations what was also found on these 2 poster children of average christcucks "ammunition"
"But it is in Christianity especially which, with its universalism, condemns itself to an inability to accommodate paganism, which will always in its eyes be an insult to the true faith and an obstacle to the kingdom of Christ. I believe that there is a powerful link between this Christian desire to convert the world, which is above all the desire to produce and reproduce others through its own discourse, and the Christian concept of 'love.' Philippe Forget shed some light on it in an article on the 'Catholic virtues,' which appeared in the magazine Panoramiques. 'The Catholic aspires to love,' he writes, 'but he always encounters others through a feeling of incompleteness. He wants completion. Thus he never welcomes anyone in his singular otherness, his fundamental 'strangeness.' He tries to put meaning into others, his own meaning. So he is not actually acknowledging the other person's reality, and cannot let that person grow and excel in his own unique identity. The other person is always lacking in some way. He has to be shown the truth . . . . Thomas Aquinas defined love as covetousness: Catholic love is an incessant hermeneutic covetousness, which aims to immerse the sense of others. Here, Catholicism, exposed in its originality, shows itself to be the matrix of the West, wherein lies an insatiable will, which--by defining and standardizing the existence of others--incarnates in a planet of homogeneity. The Other as oneself: that is the purpose (telos) of this will which has its origins in Catholicity, and this will of which the Greek, radical enemy of excess (hubris), the Jew, or Hindu is ignorant." - Alain de Benoist

You can observe this tendency in real life in Masonic discourses about perfectibility or perfection ("over the moon")
>>1616
Rather interesting how his spelling and grammar seems to RAPIDLY decline as soon as he addresses the other party within short, personally written messages as opposed to his larger bodies. Is someone using copy pastas?
>>1633
You lack an esoteric understanding of politics. Surely, brainless ground troops are perfectly fine with such an understanding, however an Exoteric understanding of politics- Man and his relation to a given metaphysic is necessary for a deeper understanding.
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>>3411
That is to say you need an Exoteric philosophy for sure, yet an Esoteric one is also necessary. Formatting was mildly autistic there.
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Does anyone have the videos from frenschan's judaism thread? Niggers didn't give a notice so I couldn't archive shit.
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kekW
extremely outdated archive but some of the video files are playable https://web.archive.org/web/20230709125052/frenschan.org/r/res/7699.html
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I've seen some people call ((( Yahweh ))) "volcano demon" and I think it sounds a bit funny, but what's the origin of the term?
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>>3807
The bible.
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>>3807
I dunno the exact origins of the meme, but I believe the meme originated from Amzalleg's theory on (((  Yahweh  )))'s origins of being a volcano god. The issue with this theory is that (((  Yahweh  ))) is more like Baal as he has more characteristics of a storm god than he does a volcano which are also usually associated with metallurgy. Much what is said within the bible does not support him having features of a typical volcano deity either, although to be fair not all ethnic gods are the exact same. I think it's more plausible to say that he was some ancient spirit of the jews who was given the features of Baal. "jewish Baal" is probably more accurate to say.
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https://archive.org/details/golgatha-des-nordens/page/n3/mode/2up

 I was looking for an English translation of Golgatha des Nordens (1937)
by Werner Graul but I didn’t find one so I just put it through Google translate. Some of the words aren’t translated and I’m not sure if it translated it 100% correctly but it’s mostly understandable
>>8 (OP) 
If you use the word “abrahamist”, you are the one in need of deprogramming.
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>>3166
Islam and Judaism both originate in Edomites, who were force converted to the ancient Israelite Religion by the Hasmonean Dynasty.
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No you are for failing in your books chronology 
>Islam, chrisrcuckery and their father judaism originate with abraham
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+4reddit is two tabs left sis
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>>3975
I see nothing explicitly reddit about those posts, so what's your issue with them?
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He probably has the abrahamic worm virus in his brain and he’s coping
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No argument then i see for christcuckery
Oh well
Guess christcuck needs even stronger buck breaking ie the lore behind kjv bible ie the christcucks poster child

>Supposedly "based" version of zionist crime against humanity was written by mason
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Cope
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Bumping because this is semi-related: A video exists of E. Michael Jones discussing how he once talked to a Japanese person about the Japanese nation converting to Catholicism, to which he was told during the conversation that if they did so they would be ruled by Jews and they wouldn't be able to keep their culture. I am positive he was talking to someone else about this conversation in the past-tense, I don't know 100% if this interview with the Jap was ever filmed. I would like either this video where he talks about this or the interview with the Japanese person if it exists. Any articles (pro-Fascist or not) documenting the arguments and worldview of Jones would be much appreciated as well. Thank you in advance.
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>>4297
This, so much this! Every zoomer is cope seethe rent freeing the coomer doomers and sneed feed and seed, they're locked and KEYED and SOVL and /pol/cel bloomer soulless slop black people(nah but seriously I'm not a racist, that's a /pol/cel thing, so please don't tell me to go back to /pol/ cuz I'm not ok) kino peak fiction!
Abrahamic religions are for literal subhumans who aren't afraid of death but not afraid of raping children.
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>>4369
*are not aren't
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I'm from Poland and the best bet you can get for hating abrahamic religions is JAIL!
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>>4371
the news on my country say that in poland they beat up muslims on sight
>>4371
and then for no reason at all
something something second largest jewish population and infinite chavunist butthurt that only gives you identity because you fucks couldnt just keep protoglobohomo commonwealth
Sicut judaeis and go back to washing of nigger feet
https://press.vatican.va/content/salastampa/en/bollettino/pubblico/2016/07/23/160723a.html

>Thanks to the generosity of Polish Catholics it has been possible to help refugees from Sudan, Nigeria, Egypt, Lebanon, Syria and Iraq. Polish bishops, from 2009, have organised collections in their dioceses in aid of refugees, which are available not only to Christians. Gratitude is owed to Catholics in Poland for having raised, in 2014 alone, more than 5 million zloty (1.2 million Euros) for refugees. Caritas in Poland currently assists more than 3000 people annually, from Africa, Eastern Europe and elsewhere.
>Shortly after the appeal launched by Pope Francis during the Angelus of 6 September, urging each parish, convent and shrine in Europe to welcome a family of refugees during the Jubilee Year of Mercy, the Presidency of the Polish Episcopal Conference wrote: "The Catholic Church in Poland, called to lend support to other people in a special way during the Year of Mercy, will do everything within her power to assist refugees in their dramatic situation", and entrusted to Caritas Polska the responsibility for organising and coordinating initiatives relating to aid for refugees at diocesan level through the diocesan Caritas, and recalled the responsibility of national authorities for guaranteeing controls, safety, and basic services for refugees.
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>>4378
He's not a catholic, retard. Read through his posts again.
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>>4381
Ah my bad i didnt notice the follow up >>4370
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I managed to find the clip in a stroke of luck, but I still would like the source if anyone has it.
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>>4387
>It is better for the jews to take over your country and ruin your bloodline for centuries than to have low birthrates!
>Japan can totally have their culture, but it's more important for them to be another Catholic shithole than a lowly-populated nation!
<completely ignorant of the fact that Japanese culture is wholly connected to the purity of their race via ancestor worship.
((( Catholicism ))) truly damages the brain. Catholic birthrates are at an all-time low globally. The only places where they're high are in the shitholes of Africa. Miscegenation will not save Japan's birthrates, the same way Catholic theology, aka window shopping, hasn't improved today's Latinx American shitholes from being transexual infestations, death-cults, and Cartel gangs. It is so typical of a catholic to be a massive retard.
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>>3809
Literally nowhere. The name JEHOVAH is not "Yahweh" and there are not spelled nor pronounced the same way at all. The "Yahweh" garbage came as a result of Judaizing Christianity, a movement made no earlier than the 19th century thanks to proponents of dispensationalism. Thanks Darby, Scofield, Larkin, and the evangelicals (evanjellyfish) who peddle their books, etc.

>>2130
>Nietzsche literally gave birth to Fascism and National Socialism
Nietzsche didn't give birth to squat. He is idolized way too much and given too much credit for the work of others.
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>>4468
J was pronounced Y and V was pronounced W in Latin, thus IEHOVAH would be pronounced Yehowah. It's not a surprise that christians know nothing about the world during the time their magical jew was alive.
I joint a Christian church in DC area for about a year. Then  I quit after finding out they also had little  belief in Daoism. I hope you see what I mean, combining religious practices are greedy to me.

To this thread, I would say Christians may  not be Christians anyway.

USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST Name fagging without cause aka rule 4

As you probably know, the Jews were never held in slavery in Egypt. Even the Torah confirms this. In Exodus 3:22 (and also again in Exodus 11:2), the jews received part of their gold and silver. And again in Exodus 12 the Jews had also their own property (this time cattle). By definition, slaves don't own any property. This means that Jews weren't in slavery in Egypt. There also aren't any archeological evidence for the purported captivity of Egypt.

Another thing. How scarifies (holocaustos) were given in Leviticus 1? Let's see...
>2 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, If any man of you bring an offering unto the Lord, ye shall bring your offering of the cattle, even of the herd, and of the flock....
>5 And he shall kill the bullock before the Lord: and the priests, Aaron's sons, shall bring the blood, and sprinkle the blood round about upon the altar that is by the door of the tabernacle of the congregation....
>9 But his inwards and his legs shall he wash in water: and the priest shall burn all on the altar, to be a burnt sacrifice, an offering made by fire, of a sweet savour unto the Lord.
Why there are some Christians in America who insist that their sons should be circumcised but they don't sacrifice goats like instructed in Leviticus 1? Why don't their mothers use mikvahs to ritualistically purify themselves during their periods? Of course, many other Christians point out that the mainstream Christianities traditionally considered that these laws were part of the old covenant that was broken but still... (This  is what lead Martin Luther to write On Jews And Their Lies).


>>3807
You mean something like Exodus 19:16-18?

> 16 And it came to pass on the third day in the morning, that there were thunders and lightnings, and a thick cloud upon the mount, and the voice of the trumpet exceeding loud; so that all the people that was in the camp trembled.
> 17 And Moses brought forth the people out of the camp to meet with God; and they stood at the nether part of the mount.
> 18 And mount Sinai was altogether on a smoke, because the Lord descended upon it in fire: and the smoke thereof ascended as the smoke of a furnace, and the whole mount quaked greatly.

Or Deuteronomy 4:11-12?
>11 And ye came near and stood under the mountain; and the mountain burned with fire unto the midst of heaven, with darkness, clouds, and thick darkness.
>12 And the Lord spake unto you out of the midst of the fire: ye heard the voice of the words, but saw no similitude; only ye heard a voice.

Or how Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed in Genesis 19? "Then the Lord rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the Lord out of heaven;"
You can also read the relevant article from ((( Wikipedo ))) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahweh

On topic of Bible, there is also the problem that there are many names for God, which may imply that there were multiple gods originally. Also, it's kind of suspicious that Elohim in the creation story of Genesis (specifically Genesis 1:26) uses plural, meaning that it reads "And gods (Elohim) said: Let us make man in our image, after our likeness...."  Elohim is plural. This was used by gnostic christians to argue that there was a God above the creator (Demiurge, whom they called "Yaldabaoth" among other names): http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/apocjn-meyer.html (the relevant part start with subheading "THE CREATION OF ADAM ").

Also, 
I don't know why but  it's worth noting that Romans linked Yahweh to Bacchus (whom the Greeks called Dionysus): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dionysus#Sabazios_and_Yahweh
This may have been parodied by the Olympics opening this year since the dancing blue man could have been a crude mockery of Dionysus. But I digress. Also, sorry for using ((( Wikipedia ))) as a source. If you want info about the Greco-Roman gods, you should read the book Mythology , written by Edith Hamilton.
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>little belief in Daoism
Was it Chinese church? Or some Western New Age bullshit?

Come on, you can't just tease anons like that and not tell a story.
What's so hard to understand? A bunch of White people were living in the desert, advancing the border of the Race, and it all lost its momentum because some fella with an itchy weenie decided to fuck some brown bitch. Now we have a bunch of mixed-Race freaks trying to blend in with us and destroy us from the inside, and they're impersonating an ethnicity they already destroyed. Like Italians. Imagine you're a Roman and you fuck some brown bitch, and when you die and turn into a ghost you have to watch your mixed-Race descendants insist they're Romans, select for White skin and straight noses, and completely fail to maintain civilization. This is why Christianity insists that the worst sin you can commit is Race-mixing. Adultery.

In our lifetimes, there will be a cool, badass, racist sect of Christianity that sets things on the right track again. It will be cooler than monster trucks on fire piloted by God to smite niggers. White Power, everyone!
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>>4595
Starting to come off as "metal".
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>In our lifetimes, there will be a cool, badass, racist sect of Christianity that sets things on the right track again.

You'd have to un-anathemize Marcion for that, and he's been condemned the longest of all. Even though he might had been only guilty of seeing things too clearly and acting radically instead of seeking compromise.
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>A bunch of White people were living in the desert
When anthropoligically and chronologically its impossible as the 1949 trend of biblical archeology got debunked by itself in israel from same people who wanted to finally start digging... And especially the eras BEFORE bible states the age of earth and its development there already existed the cromagon tribes
Remember your bible where supposedly white god wanted to kill residents of present southern ukraine and caucasus but got btfo?
Doesnt add to chronology either

>and it all lost its momentum because some fella with an itchy weenie decided to fuck some brown bitch. Now we have a bunch of mixed-Race freaks trying to blend in with us and destroy us from the inside
Yea sure jim the same imbeciles who actually didnt moved a inch from sinai until they got found by others...

>there will be a cool, badass, racist sect of Christianity that sets things on the right track again. 
Wont happen as christianity is anything but a mentioned things and its worldview a slave morality of no consequences 
>But kkk
Happened as an fear from getting Haitied not because of vololoo
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>>4656
And something for good measure if we wuz would come
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>>4657
Please explain the third image to me.
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>>4658
Tldr jeebus was a jewish messiah furfilling jewish prophecy and his deeds are a giant checklist of what was told forward
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>>4617
You mean the guy who dismissed the Old Testament and only wanted Jesus and Paul's words to be followed? He's even worse than normal Christians lol. At least the Old Testament teaches (to Jews) that you ought to exterminate your enemies and ensure your line passes on at all costs and other such reasonable things. The New Testament by contrast is pure suicide, everything in it designed to turn people into slaves and martyrs.
>He's even worse than normal Christians
He realized that Jews are metaphysically evil, something other Christians haven't managed to do in almost 2000 years, sans a few exceptional ones. 

Out of curiosity, have you ever read the NT, or are you going off memes? 'Turn the other cheek' is not the only advice to be found in it, 'Sell your cloak and buy a sword' and 'Leave and shake their dust off your sandals' are also there.
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>>4657
>according to 4chan /pol/
Corrected. Not it matters much because the whole Jesus Christ narrative is the fakest and gayest shit on this planet next to the 6MHolocoaster.
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>>4613
More like Romero.
>>5544
>Not it matters much
Never underestimate the power of sperging just because someone got it from place where it was posted to mock that semitic death cult

>Jesus Christ narrative is the fakest and gayest shit on this planet next to the 6MHolocoaster.
More worthy of mockery is that even despite the archeology, historiography, chronology and whatever else debunking the semitic dementia they will by any means necceseary do everything to not give it a light 

Like this straight up lie which even trust me bro source cannot be given to it as its straight up a lie 
https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1057/9780230611177_2
Reading on own willingness to self harm
we wuz Israelites and shieeet
I went to the Mormon church this morning and some nigger bitch who could barely speak English was up on the pulpit lol. I know their pastor is white but still, I deal with enough of that shit at work and on the street to suffer it in my free time. I still respect Bob Mathews but Christianity is basically white man's burden the religion. The Mormons seem based superficially until you realise they were merely assimilationists rather than real racists. "White and delightsome" means religion will turn savages into humans
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Was rather surprising for the front page of Daily Stormer, since Anglin seems to be a sincere Catholic.
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>>5712
Be careful, the messages in his comics can be quite subversive, especially the 2nd pic.
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>>5873
*Meant 1st pic
>>5873
what a disgusting corporate art style
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>Bereshit Rabbah 8:1
>Rabbi Yirmeya ben Elazar said: When the Holy One blessed be He created Adam Rishon, He created him androgynous. That is what is written: “He created them male and female” (Genesis 5:2). Rabbi Shmuel bar Naḥman said: When the Holy One blessed be He created Adam Rishon, He created him with two faces, [That is, two conjoined bodies, male and female] and He sawed him in two [Separating the female part from the male part] and made [for] him two backs, [Where they had previously been joined together] a back here and a back there. They raised an objection to him: But is it not written: “He took one of his ribs [tzalotav] … [and the Lord G-d built the rib that He took from the man into a woman]”? (Genesis 2:21–22). He said to them: [It means that He took] one of his two sides, as it says: “And for the tzela of the Tabernacle” (Exodus 26:20), which we translate: “And for the side of the Tabernacle...”. Rabbi Tanḥuma in the name of Rabbi Benaya and Rabbi Berekhya in the name of Rabbi Elazar said: When the Holy One blessed be He created Adam Rishon, He created him in an unformed state and he was situated from one end of the world to the other. That is what is written: “Your eyes saw my unformed parts...” (Psalms 139:16).
https://www.sefaria.org/sheets/555872.18
https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/the-eight-genders-in-the-talmud/
>picrel
Now in its third version, hopefully more readable than the one I downloaded (repetitive and badly edited), the book goes mining a ton of quotations from rabbinical literature to show that the transgender agenda is religiously motivated and follows an androgynous plan.
>Over two thousand years ago the self-styled "Sons of Light" declared war on the seventy nations of the world, whom they call the "Sons of Darkness". Hundreds of millions of lives have been lost in this conflict. The Sons of Light believe the contest will only be won when they utterly exterminate the Sons of Darkness. It will never be lost as long as one of the Sons of Light remains to carry on the fight. The war is mostly fought through deception. Only the Sons of Light know that they are engaged in this endless battle. The Sons of Darkness see the bodies piling up, but search in vain for their enemy, who is as subtle and sly as a holy serpent. Ultimate victory will mean the conquest of the entire Earth. It is close at hand for the Sons of Light. But the war continues and either side may yet win. If the Sons of Light are discovered, all of humanity will be saved. Within this book the battle plans and beliefs of the Sons of Light are revealed for the first time for all to see. The Sons of Light have tricked the Sons of Darkness into worshiping Satan, whom they believe is an androgyne composed of the demons Lilith and Samael. The gods of the Sons of Light are also androgynous. Their names are Ein Sof, Shekinah and Yahweh. The Sons of Light are planning to create a Utopia when all is won and all is lost. In it, every human being will be a perfect hermaphrodite with two faces. They will also be immortal and have no need to endure the pain of the cycle of birth, life and death, so there will be no more children and no more death. All the silver, gold and treasure will be theirs and technology will provide their robotic slaves. Since the Sons of Light are all righteous, and since the Sons of Darkness will have passed away together with their dark gods, divine light, peace and harmony will rule the Earth for one thousand years after which all will be complete.
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>>5988
Note that Bjerknes like many other authors likes to push the theory of Hitler being a false leader, a controlled opposition. Henry Makow does that too.
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Without the jew star it just doesn't cut the same. Especially given that Communism is throughly jewish.
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>>6014
>Communism is throughly jewish.

There you go, why would I add the jew star to something that is thoroughly jewish. It would be redundant
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Forgive me if this doesn't belong in this thread, but I recently stumbled across some interesting historical info that helped me understand where Christian Identity people are coming from.

El was the supreme deity of the Canaanites. He fathered gods such as Baal who is supposedly analogous to Zeus. This would make El equivalent to Chronos or Saturn, which vibes with ancient interpretations. And as we all should know, Satur-day is the Jewish sabbath.

So, the Jews worship Saturn / El. Isra-El means he who struggles against El. In the Greek context, this would basically mean Zeus worshippers, since the children of Chronos overthrew their father. Even in Norse mythology, the Aesir rose up against their progenitors. So this seems to be a pretty solid basis for the idea that whites are the real "Isra-El," although I still believe the Bible is corrupted by a bunch of African nonsense such as circumcision.

Schizo, I know. But I'm finally beginning to understand how some white nationalists mental gymnastics themselves into following Christianity.
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>>6089
If you want to dabble with the abrahamic stuff, Islam is the way to go. Knock off that judeo-christian poison.
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>>6124
>If you want to dabble with the gay sex stuff, blowjob is the way to go. Knock off that anal poison.
(Sorry for gross analogy but that's the most appropriate one for your post)
>>3129
>Hitler created the Jews and Gypsies and etc 
lol
>>3139
There are people that use 'commie-fascist' as an insult, or used to, so of course people can't into 8 directional politics. 
>>6034
>>6014
>if a single jew made x thing it is jewish
Don't be a literal bigot now! An equality revolution is not inherently jewish even if it cannot work. Without Antifa the backlash that was "Hitler's Nazi Germany" would never have happened in Gerrmany. Unforntuately, the political backlash of him failing......the pendulum swings. But yeah, jews wanting to ban private property.... sure thing buddy.
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>>6126
dumbass, who owned the formerly private property after the Feburary revolution? Well, it was at ((( Lenin’s ))) leisure to dictate to the “proletariat”.
There is, however, bigotry with some dishonest groyper-tier sensationalists who act like there weren’t genuine gentile communists.
Karl Marx mightn’t have even designed Marxism to be actively Semitic, but it’s a retarded ideology, and if it isn’t fundamentally Semitic then that doesn’t change anything, and kikes just subverted it.
Clinging to labels is cringy but I digress since this is a board for a specific worldview (“fascism”)

As for the cross mixed with the hammer and sickle. Do you have any idea how the leninists treated christcucks, because they were organised communities without loyalties to muh workers?
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>>6124
I have already studied Islam extensively. Sufism is based but fundamentally I can't get past their enthusiasm for genital mutilation.

>Moroni 8-8: Listen to the words of Christ, your Redeemer, your Lord and your God. Behold, I came into the world not to call the righteous but sinners to repentance; the whole need no physician, but they that are sick; wherefore, little children are whole, for they are not capable of committing sin; wherefore the curse of Adam is taken from them in me, that it hath no power over them; and the law of circumcision is done away in me.
>>6136
Lenin and Mao are both worth reading from a realpolitik perspective imo. Marxism's denials of human nature and the aristocratic principle are obviously retarded, but good tactics are good tactics
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>>4387
Modern anime, manga and entertainment has tried to make the Christian cult popular for three decades already. If we assume a legitimate naivety to it, we may just say that they are impressed with the angelic imagery, which obviously the Whites elevated to Aryan levels of beauty.
>>4394
Maybe that's not a popular opinion but low birthrates aren't necessarily such a bad thing in themselves if we leave out that this doesn't affect the migrants poured into our countries.
When you see how overcrowded Japan is for example, they could definitely benefit from those abysmal South Korean reproduction rates.
>>6124
Quit recommending shitskin religions, it doesn't matter whether it's Islam Judaism Or Christianity it's all abrahamic bullshit and does not belong
>>6143
There are no "based" Abrahamic religions, they are all equally poison.
And even if you can understand how morons twisted themselves into jewish knots, be wary lest you twist yourself into a jewish knot too.
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>>6143
Muslims are brown.
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>>6150
If you live in a city and don't have a car, there's basically no way to tribe and train outside of a conservative church. Unless you get insanely lucky and meet a bunch of based bros at bars / work / etc. I'm just trying to be practical

Until based wignat pagans start setting up shop somewhere other than bum fuck nowhere the Christians are going to have a monopoly on spirituality for the majority of our race

I'm not advocating taking religion literally, either. It's pretty obvious that Christianity is just Judaised Greek paganism so I try to view everything in its historical / literary context
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>>6154
Jewish world domination would be impossible without White support, White technology and White technical expertise. Without the support of the British(White) and Soviet Union(Slavic) Israel would not even exist, most of the White elite, like trump have no problem mixing their bloodlines with jewish bloodlines.
Jewish power is intertwined with White power, you can larp all you want with "muh paganism" and "muh tradition". But it is the "shitskins" that are fighting the race war against the kikes not the huwhites.

>>6156
Most pagan groups irl are pozzed, many allow browns and even faggots.
In a similar note take a look at the /pol/ thread, the many threads at /b/ or even /cuteboys/ on 8moe. Gay white nationalism as a movement is even spreading irl, look at zoltanous' channel, he tolerates and is in contact with actual faggots. Cultured Thug is neutral on the lgbtq+ question. Most of the alt religions, cults and movements with pro-White doctrines have no issue with LGBTQ+. I am no fan of the Christians but the larpagans are not allies.
I really don't like what I'm reading about the current Mormon "prophet." Faggot shilled the vaccine, probably because the LDS church owns a bunch of J&J stock lmao. He also backtacked his opposition to excommunicating "married" homos. Sounds a lot like the Pope 

>>6203
>it is the "shitskins" that are fighting the race war against the kikes not the huwhites.
shit-covered indian hands typed this post
>Most pagan groups irl are pozzed
I like Asatru Folk Assembly and have actually met one of their members by chance who seemed like a nice dude. The problem is they only have a handful of "hofs" and all their actual temples are several hours away by car for most people. So, if you're looking for the weekly church experience, you basically gotta hang with the Christians. AFA also constantly doxes its own members on social media and requires you to fill out an invasive questionnaire before joining, which is a little strange for what's effectively a white nationalist organisation imo.

And yeah, it doesn't help that the most prominent figures in American white nationalism are all obviously closeted homosexuals (Fuentes, Spencer, etc.) I think the problem is general moral rot and cowardice, however. The Bible explicitly calls for faggots to be stoned and yet most Christians these days are at best quiet about their distaste for the rainbow movement if not outright supportive
>>6203
huwhites aren’t white.
kill yourself you disgusting fucking andrew anglintard
I relish in browns being killed by kikes
and the only reason I dislike kikes is because of what they did to WHITES. US.
If kikes existed only in the middle east killing mudslime filth I’d love them. Total Sandnigger Death.
Eat a bullet too while you’re at it.
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>>6214
Not doing what may I ask?
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>>6215
having sex
>>3754
unique unique
>>6213
>I relish in browns being killed by kikes
IDF is significantly darker and dumber than Levantine* extremists they're fighting, but sadly, infinite money from Uncle Sam goes a long way.

*Arab just means Arabic-speaking. Arabs from actual Arabia, Arabs from Levant and Arabs from Maghreb are not the same ethnicity, although they're all scum (Moroccans probably take the prize of being the scummiest of them all, though).
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>>6308
yes. they’re all brown.
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>>6136
>there weren’t genuine gentile communists.
Anything from bourgeois fools, useful idiots, social rejects and criminals.
>Karl Marx mightn’t have even designed Marxism to be actively Semitic, but it’s a retarded ideology, and if it isn’t fundamentally Semitic then that doesn’t change anything, and kikes just subverted it.
Marx did a typical Jewish thing by taking sort of leftist, fair and sometimes popular ideas preceding him, then pushed them into maximum idiocy while mixed to the usual cleverly reworded and hidden Jewish goals of racial mixing and impoverishment of the people under the guise of freeing them from unfair labor while creating a convenient scapegoat: the man who was materially successful in his life, the bourgeois. Of course it was an easy thing to do when precisely the upper layers of the rich families turned into international plutocrats that had nothing to fear from any revolution as only the lower national owners would have to deal with the outrage. Marx also conveniently pretended criticizing the Jews while craftily avoiding exposing the banking cartel. Finally, he made sure to recycle the Reason of the Freemasons to replace any religion, but a very distorted and disingenuous reason that has more to do with pilpul than anything else, outclassing and banning genuine faiths.
Was Charlemagne Jewish?
https://www.pdfdrive.to/book/a-jewish-princedom-in-feudal-france-768-900

That would explain a lot, honestly. I wonder how much of early Christian history is outright fake
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>>6325
Ain't clicking that shit
>>6325
You can share the PDF directly here.
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>>6325
The link is shit btw.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Jewish_Princedom_in_Feudal_France
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>>6372
>Zuckerman
Sounds like a pass
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>>6373
Why? This is documented. Another Jew wrote about ritual murder and did so without sparing his own tribe. You gotta learn to filter.
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>>6372
I didn't realise we allowed direct pdf uploads or I would have done so, sorry.
>>6375
Exactly. Sometimes the Jews accidentally own-goal when trying to brag, such as when they claim Columbus or Elvis as one of their own
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>>6213
>If kikes existed only in the middle east killing mudslime filth I’d love them.
<kikes
<I’d love them.
>Total Sandnigger Death.
Is /fascist/ pro-Israel now? Hitler warned us about allowing jews to build a jewish state in palestine.

>It doesn’t even enter their heads to build up a Jewish state in Palestine for the purpose of living there; all they want is a central organization for their international world swindle, endowed with its own sovereign rights and removed from the intervention of other states: a haven for convicted scoundrels and a university for budding crooks.
>Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Chapter 11

>>6308
>Israeli military recruits African asylum-seekers for war in Gaza
https://www.france24.com/en/middle-east/20240916-israel-military-recruits-african-asylum-seekers-for-gaza-strip-war-hamas-sudan-eritrea

>>6310
Zogbot, arab is a cultural and linguistic classification. Most arabs don't even live in arabia, they can range from charcoal black to brown to snow white depending on their racial background and ethnic admixture. American education is truly abysmal.
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>>6203
>Most pagan groups irl are pozzed, many allow browns and even faggots.
Pic related was posted by a large pagan influencer, yeah even the most "Based" WN content creators are pozzed.
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>>6410
Mossad Spam and derailment, reported.
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>>6411
The fact that Orlog sided with you(a shitskin) over the Gay WN and the Zoomer says a lot about /fascist/, How can Whites as race organize if the movement keeps alienating White LGBT and White Jews?

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>>6413
Don't post shit off-topic for the thread.
>>6448
With the exception of the shitskin, whats wrong with what you posted? If you think anti-whitelgbt posting is le based you have to go back >>>/pol/  christcuck.
>>6413
>White LGBT
A sick minuscule fraction of the population barely reaching above one, maybe two percent.
>White Jews
L E L
O
L M A O
>>6403
Aaaaand... to the bog!
Mark Brahmin is a fucking genius bros. I'm not sure if I agree with his take that Norse mythology is a Jewish psyop, but his understanding of Christianity's corrosive effects surpasses that of Guyenot even

https://theapolloniantransmission.com/
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>>6519
https://www.spreaker.com/episode/debate-dyer-vs-brahmin--19539436
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>>6520
I just finished watching the first half of his debate with McNallen, the Asatru Folk Assembly guy. I stopped when the latter started seething instead of making actual arguments lol.

In my mind, Brahmin's most profound argument has to do with the connection between ritual sexual abuse such as circumcision and the development of homosexuality.

I became transgender for many years, specifically in a vain attempt to escape my circumcision trauma. I figured that if I attempted to become a woman, I wouldn't have to deal with the inner conflict of frustrated masculinity, basically. Of course, my self-emasculation only made me feel worse, and during the COVID psyop I was forced to distance myself from the LGBT "community" out of sheer disgust for their complicity in evil. They really are all narcissistic scum, although I do have pity for their situation, obviously.

Of course, I eventually learned about Magnus Hirschfeld and realised that Jews promote homosexuality and transgenderism to weaken racial outgroups. I have been studying the Abrahamic religions for years in an attempt to understand WHAT THE HELL HAS BEEN GOING ON for the past 2000 years in Aryan society. But now I think I know.

Brahmin's theory of religion as mating call is deceptively simple. It really does explain a huge portion of Jewish behavior, particularly their contribution to modern degeneracy by creating pseudo-religious ideologies like communism, feminism, egalitarianism etc.

Anyway, thanks for coming to my Ted Talk. I'll listen to the podcast you posted ASAP.

A brief note about the picture. To me, Baphomet is the perfect symbol of "tiqqun olam," which is to say destruction of civilization and natural aristocracy via egalitarian leveling. The Jews worship Saturn / Cronos, the reaper, a symbol of death and eternal stagnation.
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>>6521
I could only make it ten or twenty minutes into that debate because the christian was being a disengenuous moron. It reminded me of aarvol debating adam green except even lower IQ. Celsus was right when he said christianity was a religion for retards and women
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>>6399
Why is Hitler sympathetic towards smelly brown sandniggers? WNs should abandon hitler and his ilk, they are not as based as natsocs make them to be.

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>>6524
No need to listen to the rest unless you enjoy hearing Mark Brahmin getting utterly BTFO by Jay Dyer. Mark Brahmin is probably still gapping after this. Poor lad never had a chance.
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>>6541
I'm sorry the gods made you stupid enough to believe that being an obtuse asshole means you automatically win the debate
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>>6526
you know you don’t have to limit yourself to whatever some random guy 80 year ago said. Total Sandnigger Death btw
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>>6413
>is fun allowed here?
<RULE 6 RULE 6
lol
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>>6558
“Rule 6”, and yet, it’s more like the illegitimate rule of the Nahtzees… and the six, the six million innocent homosexual juden strapped up to masturbation machines and killed with poison gas if they survived that most ghastly ordeal…
oy vey… and I just wanted to be a White Nationalist… but no…
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>>6548
Nice cope, Mark. Jay was rather tame, and you become irate whenever he pushed back on your position. Perhaps you should have come prepared. Why on earth would you assume a relativist position in a debate when that is a self-refuting position to take? When asked what relativism was to ensure that you knew what you were doing, you could not define relativism. You stated that you see yourself as the "next Nietzsche," standing on his shoulders. You claimed you came to your conclusions, coming very close to saying you made everything up. You claimed you are the only one in history who decoded the Bible in the way it was supposed to be decoded. And when it was pointed out that you were exposed to the ideas of others that shared that a similar position and had been debunked, you pretended to know nothing about them. Please practice your debate skills for next time.
>>6089
Well, the OT teaches you to preserve your race and exterminate and enslave your enemies, to murder homos and degenerates, has very little mention of any afterlives of any kind, has patrilineal descent (which, by the way, modern Jews don't have, they have matrilineal descent) and is overall not that degenerate. If the Christian Identity fags only followed the Old Testament, as David Lane suggested, it wouldn't be so suicidal. But they insist on following the deranged insanity of the NT, which is suicidal to the core, so they're out.
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>>6567
<Regarding Heidegger
>His statements about Judaism show an inclination towards eugenics, something he deliberately frames as a metaphysical inclination. Jews are inherently calculative, and they have taken over the world because of their persistent allegiance to their race, through planning and “machination”. He situates this world-Judaism in his conception of the end of being, thus constituting an important part of what it means to be-in-the-world. By attributing this characteristic to the Jewish community, Heidegger places it at the center of a reach towards the “purification of being”.
Fascinating how both jews and whites both have a neurotic obssession with race.
>>6521
>I became transgender for many years, specifically in a vain attempt to escape my circumcision trauma. I figured that if I attempted to become a woman, I wouldn't have to deal with the inner conflict of frustrated masculinity, basically. Of course, my self-emasculation only made me feel worse, and during the COVID psyop I was forced to distance myself from the LGBT "community" out of sheer disgust for their complicity in evil. They really are all narcissistic scum, although I do have pity for their situation, obviously.
Former troons and faggots can't be Natsoc, lmao @ the /fascist/ userbase
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>>6567
mutilating your kids genitals to turn them into faggots is the definition of suicidal. why do you think jewish guys are so whipped by their women?

the only way the OT has any value to whites is you pretend all the characters are white, which they aren't. and even then, it still contains a bunch of toxic and outright schizo shit

whites need a rational religion, not
>muh "divinely revealed" book

the stuff about fags is based though I agree
>>6580
and yet I'm still natsoc regardless of what you say. curious
I could understand a particular organisation refusing membership or especially leadership to someone like me, but I can still contribute to the movement in other ways, such as making propaganda
also rohm was literally gay, and that wasn't even the main reason he got purged
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>>6559
OMG, I remember now, the horror, the pain, the cum, the sticky floor.
>>6584
Ignore him he's the local abrahamist attempting to peddle his anti-gay stance on /fascist/.
>also rohm was literally gay, and that wasn't even the main reason he got purged
You could be a literal poz sponge and still be NatSoc, no one cares about what you do in your bedroom so long as you and your partner are White.

Only brown smelly sandniggers care about muh sodomy laws, imagine being a stone age shitskin.

TSND soon.
>>6584
Our race is our religion, any other opinion is sandniggerishly wrong.
>>6592
eh, it's more like, being a faggot is degenerate and wholly defective (can't have children) but. What matters is your impact. Case in point Breivik, a literal crusade LARPer WoW neckbeard, who slaughtered hundreds of race traitors and wogs.
Like come on the combined impact on our race from every one of these Christcuck AF purity-spiralers is so much less than one LARPer's. That says a lot. Spend less time chained down by two-thousand-year-old Hebraic myths and more on a pragmatic approach to your place in history that doesn't vindicate a sedentary, effectively passive (yet internally dilating) mindset towards the Global Rot and you'll get a lot further.

This would all be fine and dandy if openly-faggot "White Nationalists" weren't subhuman browns and troons.

This all being said, it's illusion and false-flag all the way down.
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>>6592
>no one cares about what you do in your bedroom so long as you and your partner are White.
No White poster here disagrees, other than the resident sandnigger shilling his homophobic abrahamistic garbage. Race > All else.
>>6596
<LGBT WN don't exist
Fuck off Achmed, If did your bare minimum research you would've known that Homosexuality was always part of our Race and Movement. KYS you shitstirring sandnigger, I hope the kikes incinerate you and rape your inbred family to death.

Total SandNigger Death
Total Abrahamist Death
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>>6403
The meme is 100% correct, you are just too brown and dysgenic to understand abrahamist subversion of Aryan morality.
>>6596
>This would all be fine and dandy if openly-faggot "White Nationalists" weren't subhuman browns and troons.
Nice gaslighting there mohamed, don't you have a goat to fuck? Inbred dysgenic shitskin retard.
>>6599
There has been an influx of shitskins from /k/ after the sandnigger thread hit it's limit, remember to hide brownoid posts and report them.
>>6526
Even worse, Hitler allied with the sandniggers and pajeets against White Europeans. Hitler even had a fully jewish personal doctor and the wehrmacht had over 100000 mischling soldiers. He is the epitome of controlled opposition.
>>6557
Many subversive elements quote Mein Kampf to promote their Pro-Sandnigger agenda, this is a serious matter. How can we preserve our race if the face of our movement is a man who allied with shitskins and destroyed Aryan Europe?
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I forgot to mention that Hitler praised Christcuckery in Mein Kampf, Mudslimes in the Table talks and was too cowardly to be the next Hadrian and Gas the Kikes. So much for the saviour of the White Race. Imagine Idolising a man who praised abrahamic cancer and promoted crypto-abrahamic ideals.
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>>6592
fags still get the bullet unless they keep it in the closet, and then only because it's difficult to prove

obvious troll is obvious
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>>6602
Kill yourself, you AIDS-inflicted asshole-blown child-molesting hedonistic humongous faggot.
>>6584
True repentance is not kneeling to Jesus, but overcoming it as a vice in total, thus saying to yourself that you are not one, were never one.
Weak spirits can't overcome their personal affliction.
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>>6606
>666
based
>True repentance is not kneeling to Jesus, but overcoming it as a vice in total, thus saying to yourself that you are not one, were never one.
Weak spirits can't overcome their personal affliction.
I couldn't agree more, particularly the part about never being a fag in the first place
I engaged in degenerate behaviour because
>all my male role models were either pussy-whipped or literal fags (fag hag single mom)
>hedonism
I really doubt anyone is born that way. Rather, they're simply born weak, and never get the guidance they need to become real men. Either because there are no real men around, or because the men who are around are too abrasive for the boys' sensitive natures. The late Christian psychoanalyst Joseph Nicolosi had a lot of good analysis on this

I will tolerate individual homosexuals within the WN movement who do good work (e.g. Greg Johnson) and keep it to themselves, but only because we don't have state power. Once we do I hope these people understand there's no future for them
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>>6602
>Mein Kampf
He would not antagonize the vast majority of Christians.
>Table Talks
Totally unreliable (another loss from frenschan, we had a nice thread on that one).
>>6613
>I will tolerate individual homosexuals within the WN movement who do good work (e.g. Greg Johnson) and keep it to themselves
Based, but then
>but only because we don't have state power. Once we do I hope these people understand there's no future for them
These are sandnigger sentiments, gtfo of /fascist/. /k/ikes and sandniggers are not welcomed here.
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>>6599
you neurotic tranny LARPer.
>Race > all else
correct, this is why homosexuality should be heavily discouraged in times of demographic warfare, because homosexuality prevents the conception of children (and if children are adopted they are usually groomed into being homosexual themselves) in other words, homosexual tendencies in excess (being encouraged) are a downward spiral of demography.
After Total Aryan Victory has been achieved, and all undesirable races have been completely and utterly removed from the Earth, homosexuality can be left alone as a natural curber or popular excess, and even a more enlightened and creative form of sexuality.
But the current situation is that of chronic worldwide excess. Especially within inferior races. As neurotic “white baby havooors and encouragooooors” love to tell us, we don’t have a high enough birthrate. This isn’t necessarily true, but we don’t have a high enough birthrate _to compete with the inferior races’_, and only white children can grow to be warriors for our race. Hence for the coming, final war, we need all we can get, which homosexuality naturally discourages. Also, homosexuality is as low a bar as calling yourself “White Nationalist”, these reductive terms usually indicate some personality defect the more they are clung to.
Honestly it’s really refreshing to talk and engage with someone like you even if you’re a troll alter ego. Abrahamic shitskin dogma gets EXHAUSTING, and these are the kind of men who bind themselves to weeping over dead browns in muh lebanon.
>LGBT
no. Fuck that. Not because of any fallacy by association on my part but because trannies are a jewish degeneracy. That whole letter stacking bullshit is inexcusable in and of itself. It’s just homosexuality here. (by the way, Lesbianism is awful.)

><LGBT WNs don’t exist
They don’t.
If you mean like trannywaffen, they never existed beyond the discord larpers they were from their inception. All trannywaffen strasserite discord losers were were feminine men taking selfies and posting them in discord servers. This is the natural behaviour of troons. “WN troons” haven’t even had a lone wolf attack, yet alone a real organisation, they literally had less than fucking Fueurkreig, a Telegram LARP affair ran by a 13-year-old Estonian boy, and this is because they don’t even leave their cum-stinking LED-draped bedrooms to do meet-ups. This demonstrates the cowardly, parasitic nature of troons; for all the Astolfos and tranny strasserite edits you’ve seen, they literally have zero real world presence. It’s obvious they represent DEATH, the rot, pacifism and surrogate activities, spiritual masturbation. And when I say troons I mean all the flies circumventing that horrendous subculture. This is wide-spanning. This goes as far East as 764 groomers and as far West as nick Fuentes’ main fanbase, all of the “third positionists” there.
This is all because there is a large distinction to be made between classical sexual phenomena, such as pederastry, which don’t undermine the whole structure and normality of society, that is meaning that they don’t feel like procreating alongside it, it’s fine up until then and never beyond, when it becomes death, and are just deviant hobbies, and ANY LGBT degeneracy.
Go on, call me a brown smelly sandnigger. You wouldn’t believe how much repressed homosexuality there is among brownoids. That’s an example of how Victorian repression leads to Freudian psychosis: they were all obsessed with being prudent little Jeebsus fanboys and girls and fucked their sexual interactions with the rest of their mind up.
Both sides of the question, bigotry towards healthy homosexuality, and the LGBT degeneracy, are to be repudiated, and this is not a question of muh both sides bad but rather balance.

>homophobic
kek, what kind of fucking echo chamber did you crawl to here from?
>>6634
>homosexuality is based but lesbianism is awful
brainworms
>literally justifying pederasty
yeah, you will definitely be put up against the wall in the ethnostate lmao
there's no such thing as "healthy homosexuality." you're all degenerate drug-abusing pedophiles. and this is coming from the detrans anon
I realised through personal experience that all faggots are scum and the only way to be a decent person was to cease being a faggot. After that point, resisting the draw of sin became easy. I suggest you read Dr. Joseph Nicolosi and do some serious introspection, assuming you aren't just some Mossad D&C troll
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>>6634
Gross
>>6634
Pure Brownoid larp.
You still seething after assad's fall?
>>6639
<Muh moosaaad
Take your meds nigger troon, you are a former tranny, you are throwing rocks from a glass house.
Reminder that the anti-gay sentiment actively alienates GayWNs from our movement, many Gays are actively being redpilled from the homophobic attacks by nigger and shitskin immigrants. Being Anti-Gay is Anti-White, SANDNIGGERS FUCK OFF.

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>>6644
Quit conflating faggotry with Aryan thought or belief, it is not anti-white to be Anti-gay, and it is in fact the opposite, this thread is for opposing the core of Abrahamism, and despite what you idiots might think Homosexuality and Pederasty, are actually far more common because of Abrahamic thought, and history proves that, Romans, and the Hellenes before them, executed them, Germanics bogged them, or outlawed them(tantamount to death) or  and the mere insinuation of such behavior was blood feud serious throughout pre-Christnigger Europe specifically because of how destructive it was and is. in comparison christians were downright forgiving and that was reflected in their punishment for such behavior, which was not death, and often was little more than a slap on the fucking wrist in comparison to the cultures prior to Christnigger takeover. Do you need to be reminded of the practice of Bacha Bazi, which is not exclusive to Afghanistan? or just how many Arabs and assorted semites actually do fuck goats? I will brook no more pro-gay bullshit poorly disguised as in opposition to Abrahamic thought in this thread, it is not, and never has been.
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>>6632
Tolerating fags who keep a very low profile to the point of being secretive about their deviancy is the most we can do. They shall not be allowed in public positions of power and any governmental institution.

Remember: any job that goes to a homosexual, a traitor or a non-White is all the more wasted resources that could have gone to a White heterosexual person wishing to nurture a large family.

>>6634
>homosexuality can be left alone as ... a more enlightened and creative form of sexuality.
>homosexuality
>a more enlightened and creative form of sexuality.
Where the fuck do you think you are, intruder?
You'll be taken to the bog.
>This is all because there is a large distinction to be made between classical sexual phenomena, such as pederastry, which don’t undermine the whole structure and normality of society
Sure pedo, big men "falling in love" with eight years old boys is so nice. 
>bigotry towards healthy homosexuality, and the LGBT degeneracy, are to be repudiated
>healthy homosexuality
You think you can interlace your supposedly based post with your not so clever globohomo poison and nobody will spot it? Are you that desperate of a degenerate to need to come here and shill your vice on an almost hibernating board?
Also, lesbianism is unhealthy, but women eventually playing "bi" games for their man to arouse him is ok. As long as they get fucked and get pregnant, I think that's fine.
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>>6645
For once, BO was based

Mark Brahmin was right about the Abrahamic religions being Dionysian sex cults disguised as virtue cults. The Romans used to execute people for performing circumcisions, even.

The Pope recently excommunicated an archbishop who criticised him for not holding pedos within the ranks accountable, so it isn't just Islam, either. Even the Mormons have people like Jeffs diddling little boys
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>>6647
Kill yourself
>You're all forgetting that the primary author of the new testament, Saul of Tarsus (who changed his name to the goy name Paul when he decided to become the apostle to us gentiles), explicitly says that we shouldn't breed in 1 Corinthians 7:8, and Jesus of Nazareth says that he has come to tear our families apart and turn everyone against one another in Matthew 10:35 and Luke 12:53.
>It is pro-natalist and pro-family christians who have some 'splaining to do.
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>>6665
>'splaining
>ghetto speech
Leave now
Something that always bothered me about Abrahamic faith, Christianity in particular and I haven't seen discussed as much (in my experience, I should emphasise) is that according to its dogma you're inherently sinful, evil, ugly, worthless and condemned to an eternity of despair; and that you depend on external validation to be spiritually fulfilled with your own efforts and achievements meaning nothing. Don't aspire for greatness, don't try to excel among your peers, don't ever dream of rising above what you are now, that's "vanity" and "greed". You should be humble and a good slave. Why would anyone willingly adhere to what amounts to an abuser's logic?
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>>6672
There are some Abrahamic sects that don't believe in original sin such as the Mormons. I believe it originates in the writings of Augustine, a Catholic Church father of Berber origin. I agree that it's extremely subversive, though.

Calvinists take it even further, which I think has a lot to with the abusive approach of many Protestant parents. Jesus came to turn father against son and all that. Nevermind "spare the rod, spoil the child" could be interpreted as the shepard's rod, i.e. guidance, as opposed to just beating your kids like a nigger.

Virtue ethics seem like a preferable alernative to the inherent sinfulness of man. Sure we aren't perfect, but we should still strive towards ideals even if unattainable, as opposed to wallowing and begging Jeezus to save us.

Christianity is anti-beauty and anti-human in general
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>>6672
>BECAUSE IF YOU REJECT GOD'S INFINITE LOVE YOU WILL BURN IN HELL WITH YOUR KIDS, YOUR WIFE AND ALL YOUR FILTHY PAGAN ANCESTORS

Who could possibly object to this?
More of a half-asleep shower thought than anything, but when some verses in the Bible command the faithful to shun shamans and those who speak with the dead or spirits (I'm probably not remembering right) isn't that a thinly veiled decree to attack and abolish ancestor worship wherever they go?
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>>6703
in christian inspired movies which means nearly all of them all the horror often boils down to taking a piece of pagan culture and demonizing it
even horns on demons is partof that since horns could be seen worn by high rankng northern priests or kings as ceremonial apendices standing for wisdom
for shamans they also use words like sorcerer magician and so on
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>>6704
>demonizing
>demons
Even that word choice is funny because at its root the word "demon" (from the Greek "daimon") is just a byword for "spirit", and they're further subdivided between good and evil ones, the latter of which being designated "cacodaemons". Hence the use of "daemon" in computation. No prizes for guessing which religion had a hand in taking that word and corrupting its meaning into a simplistic term for an evil being.
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It far predates the Christers' first contact with the Norse.  Pagan Greek myth and folktales are full of horned men with goat feet.  One of them is a god, the rest are  nature spirits.  Pan made the leap into the Christian memeplex very early on and Satan has been a caricature of him ever since.
>>6703
In some ways it's Jewish paranoia about paganism, yes. Especially if you look at all the weird shit Kabbalists get up with demons and everything.

However, part of it also has to do with protecting people from scam artists imo. The Qur'an in particular condemns divination, since only God can know the future, and I think that's fair. Muslims are also not a fan of protective talismans since they imply God can't or won't protect you by himself.

I know you asked about the Bible, but this is the anti-Abrahamism thread, and I don't think you can really understand Abrahamism as a whole phenomenon without studying the Qur'an, along with more niche tendencies like Mormonism and Bahaism.
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>>6709
>The Qur'an in particular condemns divination, since only God can know the future, and I think that's fair.
Talented humans can have access to abilities that let them perceive future possibilities. God or Gods alone could or would know for sure most if not everything, but there are ways to know for certain what may happen at a given time. See Wodensson's case.
>>6639
true
>>6709
>bahaism
holy shit, never thought I’d see that deranged shit show mentioned anywhere. Bahaism is the most hilarious thing. I seriously suggest you guys look into it.
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>>6721
I've read the Book of Certitude and I actually thought Bahaullah seemed like a pretty smart guy. The Bab however (basically the John the Baptist to Bahaullah's Jesus) was totally schizo though. I remember he said something about burying the dead in coffins of pure crystal lol. He has maybe 1000 followers left and they're basically all Iranians.

What's funny is the Bahai faith has its current headquarters in Haifa in exchange for agreeing not to proselytise Jews. In other words, it's an obvious op. My local Bahai center closed permanently after covid so they're all turbo shitlibs as well.

Abdul Baha was supposed to be succeeded by one of his sons, but since he never had any, they set up a council of nine dudes to rule in his stead. Just one of many failed prophecies attributed to the movement.
>>6658
>Mark Brahmin was right about the Abrahamic religions being Dionysian sex cults disguised as virtue cults.
 >The Romans used to execute people for performing circumcisions, even.


This is just a Jewish practice which is going on in a Jewish country (US of Gay). Islam is basically an offshoot of Judaism made for Arabs, so logically they have it, too.

Catholic and Orthodox countries in Europe don't have this custom.
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>>6724
It's an African custom that the Jews, Greeks, Phonecians etc. learned from Egypt, who in turn learned it from Ethiopia if Herodotus is to be believed. And you know he's always right kek.

I believe ancient Greek philosophers circumcised themselves to go study at the feet of the Egyptians, but don't quote me on that one. For them it was a matter of ritual purity, and there's even a myth about Horus circumcising himself, giving birth to two gods from the blood. In any case, you can trace it all the way back to the Bantu, where it serves as basically a warrior cult initiation. In that sense, Muslim circumcision rites are truest to the origin of the disgusting practice.

Savage nigger behavior has no place in Aryan spirituality regardless of whatever bullshit medical arguments Jewish doctors cook up. The studies people always cite are far from reliable, and it isn't like some egghead is gonna convince me mutilating little kids' genitals in a satanic ritual is alright anyway.

The scriptural opposition to circumcision is something tha endears Mormonism to me over mainstream Christianity. I know most Catholics and Orthodox don't practice it either, but Paul is sort of self-contradictory on the issue.

Tl:DR: Don't circumcise your kids, it will turn them gay.
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Looping back to an earlier question, what should be done with Christians once the White uprising pops off? Recruit them into our ranks outright? Recruit them but keep them in grunt or service positions under heavy watch? Force them to convert at gunpoint before recruiting them? Or kill them all?
>>6728
Nice Glow
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>>6731
Purely hypothetically in a 100% theoretical situation.
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>>6203
>Most pagan groups irl are pozzed, many allow browns and even faggots
What pagan groups? You mean witches who don't know anything about paganism along with shitlibs pretending to be pagan, while being entirely ignorant of what paganism actually means? Because they aren't groups that should be taken seriously nor are they the many pagan groups I've been apart of who acknowledge that queers are inherently an aspect of Abrahamic culture.

>In a similar note take a look at the /pol/ thread, the many threads at /b/ or even /cuteboys/ on 8moe
>Gay white nationalism as a movement is even spreading irl, look at zoltanous' channel, he tolerates and is in contact with actual faggots. Cultured Thug is neutral on the lgbtq+ question. Most of the alt religions, cults and movements with pro-White doctrines have no issue with LGBTQ+
You're retarded. 8moe isn't a white nationalist board, like at all, they're degenerate gaymergays filled with lolsperg fatfucks and spics. They don't represent WN whatsoever. Gay white nationalism isn't spreading "IRL", don't know how you're coming to this conclusion when I've only ever seen gays who try to get into WN get mocked and disavowed. Zoltanous isn't a WN either, he's a nazbol retard, and yes I know he's a fag (loves trannies), and that's because he's controlled opposition. FYI, he said he's glad that Anglos are being rapped by muzzies and would love to see England destroyed by shitskins. I'm 100% sure he's a Jew. Cultured Thug isn't White or a White Nationalist either, he disavowed it for civic nationalism retardation. He's also Nazbol, and likely a fed if you know of his background. The most damning evidence that you're not from around here is that you're using the term "alt" which is both vague and it has already been acknowledged that alt-kikes aren't genuine NatSocs nor WN, as much of their associates, mentors and leaders were Jews. The alt-kike is dead anyway, only plebbitors still think it's a thing. Next you'll say dickie Spencer is an example, despite the fact that it's acknowledged by almost everyone that he's clearly a fed. For instance, he praised a nigger supremacist during the whole chaz affair, and supported and voted for Kamala Harris, who clearly wanted to destroy White America. Lurk more, retard.
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>>6399
>Is /fascist/ pro-Israel now? Hitler warned us about allowing jews to build a jewish state in palestine.
Do you not understand that the 1940s are not the same as the 2000s? Sandniggers want you dead and invade White countries. Fuck them. 

>cherry-picked images
<3rd image and 4th image, doesn't realise that they betrayed the NSDAP and had to be put down 
<still thinks the year is 1940
Wanna know how I know you're brown?

>Mein Kampf
Remember when Hitler said that you shouldn't also work with your enemies and those who show no loyalty and respect towards you? 

>arab is a cultural and linguistic classification
Almost everyone who speaks Arabic is brown. Try convincing me that they're Huwhite, buddy. Try telling me that there are blonde haired blue-eyed Aryans Arab-speakers.
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>>6728
Jehovah's Witnesses and Adventists would probably have to go to the camps. Everyone else would be told to tone down the Jew shit while we raised the next generation into a pagan worldview critical of Christianity. So basically what the Nazis were doing with the Hitler Youth. Over time the religion would die. I mean, it already is, but we could speed the process.

In any case, they should definitely be banned from leadership assuming we have the numbers to make doing so practical. Killing them would be retarded and just fuel their martyr complex, in addition to being muh bad optics.
>>6733
I only recently realised just how Jewed-up the alt-right was from the very beginning. Not just Spencer / Gottfried and Brietbart "born in America, concieved in Israel." Daily Stormer had weev and a few other Jewish writers. Fuentes is probably Jewish if you've seen that picture of his spic dad on KiwiFarms.

Oh, and not to forget the whole TRS / NJP network. I like Gordon Kahl from Achtung Amerikaner but having seen his picture, damn, he looks like one of them. And Presby was literally seething about Hitler being the most evil person in history on one of their pods the other day lmao. It would be easier to name an alt-right / liter that isn't Jewish at this point.

Spencer stays fucking retarded but I honestly think Mark Brahmin is one of the smartest guys we have when it comes to religious analysis. I hope the book they're planning turns out okay.

>>6734
Fun fact: "Arab" means "to grow dark / mix" according to Strong's Hebrew concordance https://biblehub.com/hebrew/6153.htm
>>6732
Quit acquiescing to idiots who think any discussion of violence is glowing, it is not, and you can be no less fervent than killing any and all who refuse to abandon their jewish god, simple choice, worship our Ethnic gods, and follow Natural Law or die. quit trying to complicate it, and quit thinking mercy is ever a good idea.
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>>6728
Religion is completely irrelevant, people do what their genes tell them to. There are "christians" that advocate for TKD and there are "germanic pagans" that advocate for homosexuality, both massive contradictions of their supposed beliefs.
>>6740
State mandated religion is a complete waste of time and resources, it doesn't effect anything and it doesn't have any basis in reality. Natural law is a result of natural selection.
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>>6737
>I only recently realised just how Jewed-up the alt-right was from the very beginning. Not just Spencer / Gottfried and Brietbart "born in America, concieved in Israel." Daily Stormer had weev and a few other Jewish writers. Fuentes is probably Jewish if you've seen that picture of his spic dad on KiwiFarms.
Don't forget Mike "Der Untermensch" Peinovich.
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>>6734
>Try telling me that there are blonde haired blue-eyed Aryans Arab-speakers.
Leftovers from very distant Aryan invasions or captures for trade explain why some White phenotypes are found in isolated locales sometimes. It happens in Morocco, in Afghanistan, perhaps a very few times in Bosnia, but they're exceptions.
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>>6737
>Daily Stormer had weev and a few other Jewish writers
I know DS is shit and is shilling the Putin Savior (nazbol 101) but what about these other jewish writers?
>Fuentes is probably Jewish if you've seen that picture of his spic dad on KiwiFarms.
Been a long while since I went to KF. Do you have that picture?
>I like Gordon Kahl from Achtung Amerikaner but having seen his picture, damn, he looks like one of them.
I think picking the name Gordon Kahl was done on purpose. We know it led to Pierce's rising and the brave ones who took The Turner Diaries as a model for IRLA (in real life action).
>>6740
Try to convert them first. More, yes, do the Hitler Youth, take the kids away. I know it sounds callous but that's a very efficient way to cut the cultural and religious transmission from the parents to the kids. Obviously a further introduction of pagan elements into the culture would be necessary, even if it is window dressing, which means if it's overdone it would really look like it's LARPing so the increase would need to be done slowly and with care.
>>6742
>There are "christians" that advocate for TKD and there are "germanic pagans" that advocate for homosexuality, both massive contradictions of their supposed beliefs.
To an extent yes but it is a sign of schizophrenia. It is much better to give people a system that is perfectly natural and doesn't them to do the opposite of what they think and do. Now a lot of people are culturally religious in the sense that they don't really believe, and that's good enough if we could shove the entire religious structure towards a racial White order. We just can't let it happen and do nothing.
>State mandated religion is a complete waste of time and resources, it doesn't effect anything and it doesn't have any basis in reality.
Perhaps but tolerating religions that don't fit with our worldview would be a mistake. We don't need to be tolerant, we gain nothing from this in the long term, only in the short term as it allows more numbers to be sucked in, but let's make no mistake, one way or another a long process of change is necessary. Each decade we should move a step further away from Semitic spirituality.
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>>6728
"total christnigger death"
in reality, seething over christniggers is what we'll not do until we have the time. It seems likely that the whole "salvation" business is a coping mechanism in this rotten world for sympathetic, good men ensnared by these fairy tales.
I doubt once the megachurch TV sets turn off and the oldfag congregation falls into the grubby hands of rebel demographic and ideological guerilla bands as a smashed-window hangout spot, many rational people will continue surrogating christcuckery into their life, as it will have become difficult and fruitless.
>>6746
>Each decade we should move a step further away from Semitic spirituality.
weaning off. Good.
I would recommend looking into Aum Shinrikyo myself.
It's fascinating stuff.
I'm also glad that O9A cringe is no longer being shilled in our spaces.
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>>6742
I think being a 100% genetic determinist would put you in the minority. Not only is epigenetics a thing, but environment plays a huge role in shaping your worldview, especially during childhood. As an Irishman I relate to the blacks when they talk about generational trauma, although they obviously just use it as an excuse. Yes the Irish were also slaves, but we became lawyers and CEOs without help from affirmative action thank you very much.

Religions are approximations of natural law mixed with culture, and as such some are better / closer to truth than others. I wouldn't support a state religion because organised neopaganism simply isn't a thing yet, but reigning in the most toxic elements among the Christians is certainly important. Oh, and banning Jewish bullshit like circumcision, obviously.

>>6743
Yes, he was behind The Right Stuff and the National Justice Party. The latter had truly horrible propaganda, picrel. (From the blog dailyrake.ca which is worth checking out if you like e-drama.)

>>6746
Michael Slay / Josh Goldberg https://medium.com/@MoonMetropolis/i-am-michael-slay-the-incredibly-strange-incredibly-true-story-of-how-someone-with-the-last-name-e310d37c47d3

Nathan Sassoon Sykes https://www.smh.com.au/national/revealing-the-secrets-of-one-of-australias-worst-online-trolls-20170413-gvklv8.html

I didn't realise that Gordon Kahl was a pseudonym but I guess that makes sense. When I hear "Kahl" I think "kahal," which is sort of a Jewish secret government.

I'll try and dig up the Fuentes picture in a second.
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>>6774
Here it is. I love internet autists kek
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odin is semitic

lugh is semitic

until someone builds a temple to apollo I'm just gonna keep going to the whitest church in my neighborhood so I can tribe and train. y'all niggas can't stop me
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>>6785
>y’all niggas
>>6725
>For them it was a matter of ritual purity, and there's even a myth about Horus circumcising himself, giving birth to two gods from the blood. In any case, you can trace it all the way back to the Bantu, where it serves as basically a warrior cult initiation.
Based nigs, your theory that circumcision makes men war-like is very interesting. It would explain how the mixed, browns and blacks are racially dominating the whitoids, yellows and kikes.

>>6785
You have to understand that 90% of discussion here will never amount to any real life action/organisation, do you honestly believe that a racial religion can ever compete with a universalist one? Anons here are extremely delusional and out of touch. The purpose of imageboards like these is to act as a pressure valve for disgruntled white men to vent their frustrations and release some their accumulated anger.
They mock the muslims, jews, christians and marxists yet do not possess a quarter of the latter's organisation or finance.

TL;DR IB discussions are wignat cope
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>>6806
Fuck off.
>>6806
It doesn't make men warlike, it makes them easily controllable psychopaths. There's a difference, and if you can't see it, I suggest you take St. Paul's advice and castrate yourself entirely.
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>>6737
>Fun fact: "Arab" means "to grow dark / mix" according to Strong's Hebrew concordance
Based Jewish sources. Once again the jews prove a great ally against the brown and dark-skinned sandniggers. 

Anti-Israel shitskins BTFO.
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>>6822
>Trying this hard
cringe
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>>6823
triggered ahmed? Maybe come up with a arguement next time, oh wait, you can't! You'll never amount to anything shitskin, you'll always be a low-iq brown sandnigger. KYS.
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>>6828
I sure hope Mossad pays you for overtime. I'd hate to think you do this for free.
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>>6737
>Link
<Word Origin: Derived from the root עָרַב (arab), which can mean to grow dark or to mix.
>Usage: The Hebrew word "ereb" primarily refers to the time of day known as evening, marking the transition from daylight to darkness. It is often used in the context of the daily cycle, signifying the end of the day and the beginning of a new one according to the Hebrew reckoning of time, which starts at sunset.
>Cultural and Historical Background: In ancient Hebrew culture, the day was considered to begin at sunset, making "ereb" a significant marker for the start of a new day. This understanding is rooted in the creation account in Genesis, where "there was evening, and there was morning—the first day" (Genesis 1:5, BSB). Evening was a time for rest and reflection after the day's labor, and it often held religious significance, as many Jewish festivals and Sabbaths begin at sundown.
>>6828
Shitskins can't handle actual arguments, they just endlessly sperg.
>>6831
>Claims sandniggers are White
>Gets BTFO'd
<Muh mooosad
Lmao
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It's a shame Christianity and its cucks with the help of feds and gay American/Canadians hijacked the revival of the third position.
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>>6842
ehhh, boring cop-out term from the start
>>6737
>Fuentes is probably Jewish if you've seen that picture of his spic dad on KiwiFarms.
His surname is Sephardic. Along the list of other things:
<dad having the appearance of that like a Jew
<his shilling of China
<his love for Stalin
<working with anti-White shit skins
<being a fag and trying to play it off as ironic
<causes infighting
<non-White fanbase
<talks like a nigger and worships them
<demanding White nationalists to forget about goat-fuckers raping and murdering White children to so-call defeat Isakike
<admittance in hating White people and culture
<being an informant for the feds even though it was he who encouraged people to "raid" the Capitol, and somehow got a slap on the wrist for that for obvious reasons. 

It is beyond a doubt that he's a Jew and a fed.


>>6745
I'm aware, I should of been more detailed on what I meant. Bosnians are (probably) the largest group of White/European mudslimes. Although, the Moroccans or White Berbers, and Afghanis you've mentioned are indeed the few exceptions.

>>6746
>Putin Savior (nazbol 101)
Example of a controlled OP or PSYOP. The dissident right, a couple of White nationalists groups, and MAGA-boomers are equally shilling Putin as some sort of saviour. There's no excuse for the DR or WN movements to praise him, because he's not only butt-buddies with Netanyahu and is importing shit skins into Russia, but he has repetitively jailed NatSocs, and enforced Russia's retarded holohoax denial laws. I've explained this numerously, but the so-called "noticers" are in denial.

>I'm also glad that O9A cringe is no longer shilled in our spaces
I've called out them years ago for being feds. I don't think many in our circles ever took them seriously anyway.
>>6832
A telltale sign about sandniggers is their obsession with deriding things they don't agree with as mossad or cia.
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>>6979
I don't care what sandniggers think. They don't post here.
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>>6774
>Religions are approximations of natural law mixed with culture, and as such some are better / closer to truth than others. I wouldn't support a state religion because organised neopaganism simply isn't a thing yet, but reigning in the most toxic elements among the Christians is certainly important. Oh, and banning Jewish bullshit like circumcision, obviously.
State mandated excision of any Semitic and Abrahamic elements from our spirituality and culture would be necessary no matter how long it would take to complete the task.
>I didn't realise that Gordon Kahl was a pseudonym but I guess that makes sense. When I hear "Kahl" I think "kahal," which is sort of a Jewish secret government.
https://rense.com/general75/kahl.htm
https://rense.com/politics6/kahl.htm
https://headlineusa.com/40th-anniversary-u-s-government-murders-tax-protestor/
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>>Fun fact: "Arab" means "to grow dark / mix" according to Strong's Hebrew concordance
>Based Jewish sources. Once again the jews prove a great ally against the brown and dark-skinned sandniggers.
Curiously enough this anon wasn't banned for this post.
Talking of growing darkness.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_of_Jerusalem
>The Sumero-Akkadian name for Jerusalem, uru-salim, is variously etymologised to mean "foundation of [or: by] the god Shalim": from West Semitic yrw, ‘to found, to lay a cornerstone’, and Shalim, the Canaanite god of the setting sun and the nether world, as well as of health and perfection.
>Canaanite god of the setting sun and the nether world
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>>7017
>Curiously enough this anon wasn't banned for this post.
Most posters here are pro-kike insofar they kill arabs, peak WN theory.
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Whites pls use she/her when repsonding to me and shitskins do not interact with my posts.
The best course of action against abrahamistic spawn is bombing and shooting up their places of worship and shrines, any other way is opticucked and brown.

USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST No namefagging, rule 6, etc etc

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>>7029
Can't wait to read the news next Ramadan and see this troon shot up somebody's masjid kek. Just make sure to commit suicide by cop so that we don't have to pay for your SRS when you're on death row.
>>7027
Nick Fuentes was right about kosher white nationalism, although to be honest, I think we've been seeing an influx of low-effort trolls for the past few months. Not sure where they're coming from

My personal take on the Jews is I admire their chutzpah and don't really care about Palestine, but at the same time, resent our miliary being their puppet. If we can regain control of our own government and purge the worst, most Judaised elements from American Christianity, I don't really mind selling Israel weapons. Just nothing cutting-edge, because you know they'll give it to China. Oh, and we absolutely have to get the Jews out of our tech industry. There's a very real chance they'll rule over us via tech backdoors otherwise. They already record all our phone calls per Whitney Webb, and Brendon O'Connell has alleged they have hardware-level access via new Intel chips thanks to so much of the development happening in Israel under former Unit 8200.
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>>7032
>giving a shit what Spic Fuentes the CIA asset says
Anyway, no. Complete destruction or nothing. We have thousands of years of evidence that giving kikes a single inch will lead to them taking a mile. Any concession no matter how small is one hook they get to sink into the White man to work towards our downfall. Every single kike in existence must be exterminated, their temples torn down, their texts burned, every trace of their existence must be purged. In fact, I'd go as far as saying killing all kikes isn't enough. Once the Fourth Reich or however you wanna call it is the dominant power in this world, anyone with 50% or more jewish DNA should be summarily executed, and everyone with 49% or less should be sterilized. Once there's not even a single hebrew allele remaining in the world, then we may breathe easy and consider the job done.
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>>7029
What are you doing here, did the leftypol mods ban you again?
>>7033
>I'd go as far as saying killing all kikes isn't enough.
Lmao, most White Nationalists are too occupied with their chink vidya and holywood slop, yet you think a TKD is possible. Lol, Lmao even. Grow up kid, learn to take and L and marry some thai/viet whore like your fellow "White" brothers.
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>>7027
>Most posters here are pro-kike insofar they kill arabs, peak WN theory.
Yes, I have killed 60 billion goat-fuckers and their inbred children. Hail ZOG, Hail globohomo. (Inb4 I get banned , because so-called brown-loving anti-zionists can't take a joke).

>>7032
>Nick Fuentes was right about kosher white nationalism
Are we talking about the same queer spic who sold out info of his supporters to the feds, has shit skin supporters, and is silent on brown pedophiles molesting his supporters in his dead alternative LGBT+ movement?
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Given that the Bible is a pack of self-serving kike propaganda, what is the historical truth of Sodom & Gomorrah?
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>>7051
same as it ever was, a lesson that could be learned.
but a better, less mysticised example is Rome anyway.
>>7051
>what is historical truth of Sodom & Gomorrah?
That hedonists are parasites, and semites are naturally both. Jews just do not want to admit that they are kin of hypocrites and degenerates (semites).
>>7027
Nah that's bull. Most posters hate kikes and mudslimes equally.
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>I admire their chutzpah
What is there to admire in their indecent, repugnant, pathological need to lie and gloat about what they are and the power they enjoy?
>I don't really mind selling Israel weapons.
You'd be missing on a great occasion to sell weapons to everybody in the Middle East so that Semites can enjoy killing each other.
On the other hand you're not going to fool me with your soft shilling for Israel, the like of "I don't mind kikes as long as they're not in charge and I could even make shekels with them". Certainly not when the Jews are our main enemy and they deserve nothing less than a complete punishment no matter where they live, and no matter what, nobody should be allowed to trade with these demons.
>Oh, and we absolutely have to get the Jews out of our tech industry. There's a very real chance they'll rule over us via tech backdoors otherwise. They already record all our phone calls per Whitney Webb, and Brendon O'Connell has alleged they have hardware-level access via new Intel chips thanks to so much of the development happening in Israel under former Unit 8200.
They need to be brought centuries back into the past, walled and pleasantly led to their own total demise for our entertainment.
We shall nurture the desire to exterminate them all. Period. This planet needs to be cleansed.

>>7034
If we want to make it through, we will have to regain our autonomy, our power and control over our industries. Then, as we regrow some form of empire, we will be in full possession of the means of destruction and then, then, we will be able to decide what to do with the other races and our ancient enemies. It's all or nothing.
However if you conceive our victory as being nothing more than merely retaking control of a few countries while having the collective GDP of Turkmenistan, then there is no point even trying, because that won't even suffice to guarantee our capacity to resist any kind of invasion or even make ourselves feared all around the globe.

>>7042
I can't take seriously any moron who keeps getting wet for Nick "catboy lover" Fuentes. That turd is a liability.
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>>6806
>hurr durr
>do you honestly believe that a racial religion can ever compete with a universalist one?
>>6806
>you have to understand that 90% of discussion here will never amount to any real life action/organisation … Anons here are extremely delusional and out of touch. The purpose of imageboards like these is to act as a pressure valve for disgruntled white men to vent their frustrations and release some their accumulated anger.
You are 100% correct here, and it goes so much deeper than you detailed.
For just one example, hours of “shoot ‘em up” video games satiate otherwise “psychotic” amounts of administered bloodshed and violence. False competition-like circumstances, struggle to dominate an enemy, strategy — all of it, put into imaginary adventures and campaigns. It’s “easier” to pretend. Why on Earth wouldn’t they?
>universalism must essentially triumph over racialism because… more people can convert and be a part of its effort (I’m assuming this is what you assume)
One such racial religion is the Jews, which have indisputable hegemony over this Old World.
The reason Universalism completely failed despite a gargantuan orchestration for it in Marxism which at one point spanned the world is because it by nature has no standard of itself if not in contradiction. What I mean is that numbers are the only basis for its “successes”, the idea of numbers is a democratic conception, based on the also-religious egalitarian doctrine of equality, each “living human being” (at its conclusion) having “equal value”, merely for existing, and being human according to biologists. Because the “worker”, or “citizen”; cosmopolitan which “enjoys” “human rights” has equal value, too does he have equal responsibility. Therefore, his personal withdrawal for an easier, funner parasitic lifestyle off the community is burdened as a tiny drop in “community responsibility”. Because this is nonsense, it was quickly replaced by a “personal, equal responsibility to the community for each”. A consensus, but also nonsense because the democratic basis for “equality” is average, thus the selfish still lowers the average, thus the standard is lowered and lowered towards eventual disaster. An example of this process in action is the downward trend of England from an honorific, meticulous monarchic society, towards its coming conclusion. Shoplifting was just essentially legalised here. That’s what “equality” does to social values. Without a real basis (ethnicity is real, and objective) and only a fake basis (being human shaped, even if you are a mindless nigger) for its own continued existence, furthering, or “progression”, becomes on the basis of charitable acts (like in Christianity) and slave morality, to make everyone who already exists more comfortable, never to strive them towards a higher ideal. And so technocratic innovation is set on its goal-way of making it easier for the inferior to live. And deafening media distractions of all kind, new toys and experiences, fake satisfaction of power processes, is needed to stop the superior from taking what’s theirs. So this leads back to the distraction dilemma.

>They mock the muslims, jews, christians and marxists yet do not possess a quarter of the latter's organisation or finance.
the latter? Anyway.
You are correct. Many of these guys are naysayers and bigmouths. I personally am going to instigate a worldview that doesn’t cling desperately to sentimentality and worship/overestimation/misunderstanding of National Socialism. The worst manifestation of this is Hitler worship (Esoteric Hitlerism).
One of the only men worth noting in the field of… it doesn’t have a name yet, but whatever-ism post-WWII is Dr. Pierce. He didn’t just copy shit and fawn over old paraphernalia like some loser. Nor did he smear valour and the legacy from such men as Hitler. So he managed to shake off embarrassing Prussian volkish nationalist slop and yet again sentimental anthropology and ash-worship. To a degree. But this “school of thought” that some called “white nationalism” had the glaring weakness of appealing to cowards BECAUSE it rejects Nazi Germany, and these people undid it since there was no name, thus line, to distinguish Piercite hardliners from petty “nationalist” flag-loving faggots once he grew old (towards the late 90s) and finally once he passed away (the early 00s) and National Alliance, one of the only organisations that might have actually amounted to something because it had an organic spiritual conception (I’m not really talking about Cosmotheism here which I personally feel is forced and awkward, rather the more general, complete, racial outlook that beams from the pages of the Diaries, the future-facing outlook, the outlook not undone by pure militarism which could never recreate itself due to a complete void of the female element to life a la Atomwaffen if it wasn’t infiltrated) I think it’s once again way more than what you suggested, there’s no meaningful organisation AT ALL. If the biggest “organisations” in the US were instantly popped, nothing would remain of their legacy but a few decaying fliers and videos of dreadful Americana-themed “marches” (which are organised on legal lines and other such “patriotic activity”. Defeating the purpose of marches in the first place which are as a show of force.) Like patriot front.

If a name is embodied, a new, year zero idea, not a petty ideological distinction hydra like alt-right, or far-right, or extreme-right, or whatever, and given an accelerationist, I’d go so far as to say anti-Internet character and conviction, real dedication, I’d say some of us whatever-you’d-call-it’s might change the world.
But I’m skeptical that that could ever happen as long as the homes and countries of genetically-superior teenage boys and young men have electricity in the immediate future.
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>>7063
I forgot to add that in England, at one point a reference point of more organic societies, there was barely ever a need for a law against shoplifting, because the organic community repudiated the rare occurrence’s perpetrator, and “hue and cry” from the community dealt with it swiftly.
When the “rule of law” starts to encroach out of necessity as the organic community degrades under democracy, its grip over petty matters becomes impossible, and it struggles to even protect itself and its favourite “law and order”.
Nowadays most people I know here just take bottles of liquor and swig them with that little beeping security fob and no-one cares. In what remains of the Welsh countryside. The pigs were overburdened by all the calls about its trained individualists just taking whatever they want and walking away. This isn’t even just wogs.

The more this show of powerlessness will accelerate, eventually if not displaced by that point entirely the System will have to abandon 90%+ of qualms over protecting its citizens over inability and devolve into the ultimate being of sustaining the status quo, the ultimate conservacuck life-form that just feeds purely into itself, not even any longer nannying a docile herd of citizens for itself.
>>7063
I mean that they take the title because they reject Hitler because he’s “too extreme”.
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>>7080
holy nucaca gems
>>7057
>What is there to admire [about the Jews]?
The fact that they keep winning. Sure, they get kicked out of countries time and again. But they have more relatively safe places to live than we do. Whites are basically a stateless people, despised by institutions that used to be our own.
>You'd be missing on a great occasion to sell weapons to everybody in the Middle East so that Semites can enjoy killing each other.
That's what I meant. Weapons are one of the few things America still makes, so why not sell them to whoever's buying?
>We shall nurture the desire to exterminate them all.
"If a man wants to kill me, that's his problem. If he has the power to kill me, that's my problem." Kwame Toure
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>>7082
>Whites are basically a stateless people, despised by institutions that used to be our own
Our race essentially gave up the will to exist after WW2. It's disgusting.
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>>7083
our own race will be cleansed.
Those of us who gave up their will to exist, that includes.
>>7083
Some of these nations were already contaminated well before WWII.
But for now we need more and more Whites to become racist, to love their own kin, and to stand for what they are without shame.
The current state of affairs is utmost unnatural and only maintained by the most outrageous and intensive brainwashing propaganda, and that too is slipping. Hence the kikes accelerating the immigration with the latest trend being to thrown in masses of Hinpoos. It's done to neutralize us as much as possible.
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>>7082
>Whites are basically a stateless people
So true, thanks to the miracle of anti-racism.
>>7088
I wish I could have your optimism.
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>>7088
>love their own kin
dude, have you seen whites recently. How the fuck do you expect to get people to love this tumor of ChinkTok zombies, babbling self-righteous and pacifistic oldfags, not to mention millions upon millions of faggots and trannies.
Our kin is filthy.
How about we remind them of the need to cleanse our race of its cancers, foreign or domestic?
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>>7099
I see more and more drifting humans of the normalcy crowd on the edge of their respective seats. True, many are clueless and for those who begin to froth at their mouth, they lack any real direction. But the hatred is palpable. It's boiling, the pressure increases. Globalists cannot take the risk of a true world war, of utter chaos. They need to keep control on the populations while slowly destroying our societies to recombine them into their own greater system of slavery and demographic control. But take a closer look at our decrepit nations. Their administrative, judicial and fiscal organs are overworked and short of funds. They can barely deal with the current load. The entire Jewish structure is held by duct tape and owes its current peace to dumb entertainment and blind repression. The world needs some sweet chaos, real chaos, to throw a wedge in that devilish cranky machine. The true Hyperborean Order can only rise out of the purest chaos. Our enemy wants to tame it, to keep it on a leash and only allow the faintest of its roars. A dull and watered down outrage that never erupts.
>>7102
The White World is ripe for a new faith. These changes do not and cannot happen peacefully.
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>>7104
>But the hatred is palpable.
This I grant you. When a CEO gets whacked and 90% of the response both IRL and on the internet is,
<Good, fuck him.
It's obvious to see that people are beyond pissed.
>The world needs some sweet chaos, real chaos
That isn't something that we have control over. It is unlikely that any world leader would be willing to plunge the world into such a chaos when it would mean the end of their easy life as ZOG, even in defeat.
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>>7106
They'll throw us some treats, mild racism. We can't have it. People will ask us why we want to topple things, to make people's lives bad. They will be happy being given a crumb here and there. They will not understand, but we shall not appeal to reason, only to emotion, and the only way to get that is to explain the horror that are coming for them, the injustice they have gone through, the culprits living at their expense. They'll need to be corralled into a state of fanaticism. It's a Leto II situation. It needs to happen, for the sake of our survival. The fence sitters will complain, they will refuse the risks, they'll crave their revamped bread and circus as long as it gives them the impression they can be left free and unmolested despite being nothing less than complete slaves to the Jewish tyranny. The change has to be complete to have any kind of meaning. It's a revolution that begins in the mind and ends in the cannon.
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>>7056
Are you blind? You were arguing with a jew sympathizer a few posts ago. This is not just a /fascist/ problem, most Whites I know IRL are pro-Israel.
>>7057
>They need to be brought centuries back into the past, walled and pleasantly led to their own total demise for our entertainment.
The Arabs could've outbred(they breed like niggers) and slaughtered them but the White Christians intervened, countless White livesUSS Liberty, Iraq and many other incidents and billions of dollars of cash, military equipment and weaponry wasted on kike filth, truth is many jews pass as White, so the average White man identifies the jew as his equal, his racial brother.

We have to accept that the average White man will always prefer a Jew to a muslim, since jews often pass as White.
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>>7104
as a fucker from arguably the most accelerated, obliterated, corrupted country yet, the “United Kingdom”.
This is it.
The rawest, bleeding-teeth chaos.
The silence of millions of hedonists’ suicides.
Hell.
We really are closer to ruin than redemption. They are one.
I live with few others at the end of the world. Those who don’t surface, gasping, drenched in sin like oil will drown. Cleansed with sacred bleach. The accelerationist’s oath. I wouldn’t want it any other way.
>>7108
I would recommend re-reading the Turner Diaries. It has some important philosophical points on such things. Truly prescient.
>>7109
>We have to accept that the average White man will always prefer a Jew to a muslim, since jews often pass as White.
We must not accept it but merely acknowledge this problem, then do our best to correct it with the most unfiltered propaganda. Jews don't make the mistake of considering themselves Whites despite the European paleness of some of them.
>needs the mimicry of the fire ant meme, the one popular four years ago
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>>7042
<Yes, I have killed 60 billion goat-fuckers and their inbred children.
Ignore him, he's a shitskin larping as a WN. Proper WNs are actually fully supportive of Israel(Eastern Whites) ethnically cleansing the arabs.
>>7109
Why are you insinuating that jews are not white, mudslime? Check Vid related, the IDF soldiers are clearly White. /fascist/ acknowledges this, which is why we support Israel. So kindly fuck off, as this is a White-Only board.
>>7115
Mudslime or Nigger larping as White, no actual White man opposes our Ashkenazim brethren.
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>>7121
>love israel please like we love you
>we're your best allies against the shitskins we imported to exterminate you
>now kiss our talmud filthy goyim and don't forget the shekels btw
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>>7121
based and eretz yisrael pilled.
>>7124
<no arguments
<spergs and spams
browns once again prove their inferiority towards us whites. why can't you browns accept white technological and military superiority, once our lord and savior donald trump gets into office, you hamas-shills will be done for.

also, you type like that fag fuentes, that would not be surprising. You browns are all closeted fags
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>>7127
>brown girls LARPing as natsocs
You have no idea what this does to my penis. Please post more.
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>>7135
These attention whores only want white dick because they know they're inferior and are sick of their non-Whiteness.
>would
Kys race traitor.
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>>7127
>no arguments
>spergs and spams
Have some more faggot.
You will never be White btw.
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>>7203
夢日記みたい
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>>7205
That’s not what I was going for but I can see the resemblance 


私が目指していたのはそういうことではないが、似ているのはわかる。
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>>7239
ermmm this one is ineffective
Jesus looks cool as fuck with a bunch of browns on chains
heck that’s awesome. Like come on a floating guy with dismembered browns on chains praying. Like that’s cool. I want to be Jesus y’know.
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>>7285
dumb retard spotted
Question for those that have longtime experience talking to christians, what is their usual response to the Problem of Evil?
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>>7297
In my experience, the idea that we live in the best of all possible worlds, and sin / evil is inevitable given the limits of matter, and God's desire to allow us free will.
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>>7298
>the idea that we live in the best of all possible worlds
If what you report is true that's just another case of Christians not knowing their own eschatology, the one that says this planet is shit because of us sinners and it will be replaced by _better_planet_ when Jesus something something.
>>7317
>>7320
That's something that's always irked me. Supposedly YHVH created the world and everything in it "and it was good" as per the Bible, so one is supposed to think the world is good and we owe it to YHVH and be thankful for it. At the same time the world is sinful, evil, imperfect and worthless and it should be rejected for the nebulous afterlife because nothing in this world can possibly compare. How do Christians manage to square that circle?
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>>7109
>We have to accept that the average White man will always prefer a Jew to a muslim, since jews often pass as White.
Go away Mossad. Europeans in fact do not like what Israel did to Palestine.

>>7322
>How do Christians manage to square that circle?
They don't. Instead they pull bullshit like "muh Satan" and "muh Adam and Eve!" as a reason why the world is corrupt and fallen. What they don't realise is that they are admitting to the fact that Yahweh and his creations are both imperfect.
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>>7322
Taking another look at Genesis 1, it says that the light and firmament are good, opposed to darkness and the waters of chaos. Very Egyptian, but in any case you see the dualism is baked in from the start.

Like Platonists, Christians may believe that God (the demigurge) is entirely good, but it doesn't seem like the people who wrote the Old Testament did. Their god is more of an African trickster, setting Adam up to fail only to punish him for it.

That being said, I'm starting to find the Abrahamism vs. paganism debate tiring. Yes, Christianity is just Judaised Platonism. Yes, ideas such as loving your enemies have been very poisonous to our race.

However, I don'y exactly see many white nationalist pagans trying to create alternative religions. Yes, there were Pierce and Klassen, but they were both too materialist and scientific imo. We need something for the true goyim who comprise the majority of our race.

At the end of the day, I think most churchgoers just want to be around a bunch of nice, yet God-fearing white people and tend to gloss over the problematic parts of the Bible. I'm one of them, who has been going to my local Mormon church just because it's the only place I can meet people my age (including cute girls) who don't do drugs.

If pagans can't offer the same sort of infrastructure, they're just going to keep losing. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.
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>>7326
Even as someone with heavy pagan leanings I have to agree. Groups like Asatru Folk Assembly don't seem to work very hard at expanding and offering community.
>>7322
>>7323
They could always argue that it was perfect but God let Satan do his thing and it spoiled everything. You have to read the apocryphal texts, those where Adam and his waifu are repeatedly dying of sorrow and get revived on and on by their necrodaddy.

>>7326
>However, I don'y exactly see many white nationalist pagans trying to create alternative religions. Yes, there were Pierce and Klassen, but they were both too materialist and scientific imo. We need something for the true goyim who comprise the majority of our race.
You had Mormons. Space Jeebus. Their founder was a 33rd degree Mason, probably one of the few who remained unjewed. He got slandered and his life took a turn for the miserable. The movement was pro-White, pro-fertility, pro-polygamy (a man several women, not the other way round). They had to recant on the racial aspect under threat, which their next leader did. Name was Kimball. It still remains very White though but it's just as fishy as your next Christcuck brand. They build a huge database to curate tons of individual profiles and even add dead people to their creed without looking for any known consent from these people when they were alive.
Aaand since I'm retard I posted all that shit before reading the next line.
>I'm one of them, who has been going to my local Mormon church

>If pagans can't offer the same sort of infrastructure, they're just going to keep losing. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.
You will notice that the problem is exactly the same for political parties or any big company. The Jews have brainwashed Whites to hate themselves and have entirely rigged the system. It is impossible to gather money.
You want to read something pathetic?
Okay, unpopular piece of rhetorical question for you.
What about the fact that we're still hundreds of millions on this world and yet can barely get more good leaders than there are fingers on one hand? Don't we suck somehow? Let that blackpill sink slowly.
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>>7360
>Adam and his waifu are repeatedly dying of sorrow and get revived on and on by their necrodaddy.
Do you know which text this is from? Sounds interesting

And yeah, about the Mormons. They seem pretty dysgenic and in any case not that intellectual. There are a few good stock whites here and there but lots of fatties and strangely sickly types as well. I'm talking worse than the other churches I've been to, even. Although, to be fair at least the Mormons have young members at all. You can't really say that about the mainline Prots. And the young Catholics are pretty brown.

I live in a liberal college town though so I'm sure my experience doesn't reflect the whole. Out west they're probably a lot higher quality.

Finally, they're definitely still Jewed. The whole thing seems like a front for Zionism to me given the little bit of their scripture I've read so far.

However, the Christian primitivist aspect is interesting. They recognise God and Christ as distinct beings and reject original sin. Their ideas about premortal existence and the afterlife border on Origen's, although I suspect he believed in full-on reincarnation and the Mormons don't, obviously.

Basically, it's a mixed bag.

>What about the fact that we're still hundreds of millions on this world and yet can barely get more good leaders than there are fingers on one hand? Don't we suck somehow?
Maybe it's as you say. Our potential good leaders don't have the resources to get their message out there. Or, they're too blackpilled to try organising. That's why I agree this is a multigenerational struggle. I suspect we will end up minorities in many of our countries before we finally start to turn things around.
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>>7361
>ain't got any money son, white ded
>starting to understand The Order's motives
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Thoughts on the Septuagint being older than the Masoretic / Hebrew in general?

The Bible is obviously influenced by Greek myth and idiom. However, if it were actually written in Greek originally, that would raise the question whether the Hebrew sages were Plato's "Semitic myth." You know, the basis for the philosopher kings' noble lie? We already know the Greeks assimilated other Semitic traditions such as Isis worship.

What if the Old Testament Jews never existed, aside from being loosely based on the Phonecians? That would certainly rain on the Zionist parade.

Of course, this would raise the question of how the Talmud fits into things. Modern Hebrew script is supposedly based on the Talmud's Babylonian Aramaic. So is Judaism a synthesis of the Bible and Babylonian religion? That later got adopted by the Khazars?

I'm new to this line of thought courtesy of scholars like Russell Gmirkin. But I would love to hear your input.
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>I take my ring from my finger and liken it unto the mind of man, the immortal spirit, because it has no beginning. Suppose you cut it in two; but as the Lord lives there would be an end.— All the fools, learned and wise men, from the beginning of creation, who say that man had a beginning, proves that he must have an end and then the doctrine of annihilation would be true. But, if I am right I might with boldness proclaim from the house tops, that God never did have power to create the spirit of man at all. God himself could not create himself: intelligence exists upon a self existent principle, it is a spirit from age to age, and there is no creation about it. All the spirits that God ever sent into the world are susceptible of enlargement. The first principles of man are self existent with God; that God himself finds himself in the midst of spirits and glory, because he was greater, and because he saw proper to institute laws, whereby the rest could have a privilege to advance like himself, that they might have one glory upon another, in all that knowledge, power, and glory--in order to save the world of spirits.
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>>7380
>Thoughts on the Septuagint being older than the Masoretic / Hebrew in general?
It will punch a hole in the idea of Non-white subversion. You as many anons in the past will eventually understand that the source all the Evil in the world is the result of Whites being degenerates and not being virtuous, just as all the Good in the world was the result of White virtue and hard-work.
Shifting blame onto the lesser races was always a pitiful cope, a cope used by the lesser men of our race. Can one blame an animal(Nigs) for acting savagely or does the blame fall upon those sympathizing with the nigs(White traitors)?
After all it was the White Elite that conceded it's territory to the coloreds and allowed the kikes into it's institutions. What are the non-whites(even kikes) without White technology or institutions? Nothing but primitive beings locked into eternal tribal conflicts with one another, that is until the Whites intervened and gave them advance weaponry and technology enabling some non-Whites to advance beyond what they were supposed to. Why did the White elite do this? They were Hetcucks, who deviated from the proper White tradition of Male-Male love.
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>>7382
Fuck off, homo!
TL;DR: The 12 disciples were young boys. Jesus was a child trafficker who drank semen to counteract the effects of drugs. Christianity is a sublimated child sacrifice cult. Also, we should all learn Greek https://youtu.be/2dY-roDpHWI
>>7382
Damn, trans-trasserism is helluva drug.
To the people who were saying Mormonism is based. This is from the teachings of Joseph Smith, apparently:
>The Holy Ghost is more powerful in expanding the mind of a man who is of the literal seed of Abraham, than one that is a Gentile, though it may not have half as much visible effect upon the body; for as the Holy Ghost falls upon one of the literal seed of Abraham, it is calm and serene; and his whole soul and body are only exercised by the pure spirit of intelligence; while the effect of the Holy Ghost upon a Gentile, is to purge out the old blood, and make him actually of the seed of Abraham. That man that has none of the blood of Abraham (naturally) must have a new creation by the Holy Ghost. In such a case, there may be more of a powerful effect upon the body, and visible to the eye, than upon an Israelite, while the Israelite at first might be far before the Gentile in pure intelligence
That's right. Becoming a Mormon literally replaces your disgusting goyish blood with the blood of Abraham, although it will never make you quite as good as a real Jew.
https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/manual/doctrines-of-the-gospel-student-manual/21-covenant-israel?lang=eng
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>>7380
>We already know the Greeks assimilated other Semitic traditions such as Isis worship.
What was Semitic about it again?
You should consider going back to every single point you mentioned in your post and expand on them.
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>>7409
It's tortuous but they're somehow wuzzers, coming from a school of thought wherein Whites were the original hebes which found its origins in the United Kingdom IIRC. The term "gentiles" here may not be limited to Whites only, which might explain a few things then. Besides, you may need to check the date of creation of this literature and see if it's posterior to the racial treason that was requested by the US government. Initially the Mormon movement was planned to be White and White only. A pro-White branch splintered off as a consequence of the acceptance of diversity. Christian Identity surfs on the same core ideas. But as adequately said by Wodensson, this won't cut it and cannot be tolerated any longer as it has done us no good.
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>>7434
Isis is an Egyptian god and the Egyptians are Semites? I'm not speaking against the idea of the divine feminine in general if that's what you're wondering.
>You should consider going back to every single point you mentioned in your post and expand on them.
The Hebrew Dead Sea Scrolls are probably either fake or newer than assumed. Before their "discovery," it was commonly understood that the oldest archaelogical evidence for the square Hebrew script (derived from Babylonian Aramaic) dated to almost one millenium after Christ. That's the oldest Torah, certainly. And the Samaritan Torah isn't any older. That would place the creation of Biblical Hebrew around the time of Khazaria, coincidentally. Inscriptions they say are Hebrew, lie the one in the Siloam tunnel, are obviously just Phonecian or Aramaic.

As for the second point, I recommend Russell Gmirkin's interviews, or his book about Plato which is still pretty affordable last time I checked. His other book is like $200 so I'll go ahead and provide a pdf.

Also check out Mark Brahmin's Apollonian Transmission blog. Yes, he's affiliated with Richard Spencer who is a faggot, but his work on comparative religions and proto-Jewish cults is second to none.
>>7435
The government didn't force them to accept niggers until the 1970s, whereas Joseph Smith died in 1844, and that quote is from his teachings, at least according to the church website.

To be honest, Mormonism is self-contradictory and retarded. Smith was obviously a compelling speaker if you read something like the King Follett sermon. But at the end of the day, he was a conman who didn't seem to understand Christian theology particularly well. Although he did seem to have some familiarity with Masonry / Kabbalah
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>>7452
>the Egyptians are Semites
What?
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>>6775
Why does he shill for sandnigger alliance as always?
Maybe because they are both pedophiles.
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>>7457
White doesn't necessarily mean Aryan.

If you look at old Egyptian art it's clear that the inhabitants of the Levant and Anatolia used to be more or less white, whereas the Egyptians were darker, probably close to modern highland Ethiopians.

Add to that the vast differences between their language / religion and ours and it becomes pretty obvious the ancient Egyptians weren't Aryan, even if they had some European ancestors.

This is why "white nationalism" is fucking retarded
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>>7463
You're retarderd and should fuck off back to whatever shitskin board you come from.
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>>7463
You are better off leaving this board, mossad agents and counter-jihad shills are actively posting here. Check the QTDDTT thread, a tell tale sign is their obsession with turning all issues towards the browns(even if nonsensical and out of topic) and soyjak posting.

They are in this thread as well, see >>7465. Just like in the questions thread, they will signal based-ness only to later post pro-kike garbage.
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>>7466
Shameful samefag, shitskin.
Who the actual fuck is Allah? does anyone know?
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>>7466
Just counter-signal them and they'll eventually fuck off.
>>7469
Allah is El, the Canaanite supreme god. He was typically associated with Kronos (Saturn) by the Greeks, which is to say a god of death and decay. So like all Abrahamists, Muslims are basically Satanists. The only real difference is Muslims recognise Ishmael as the legitimate heir of Abraham as opposed to Isaac.
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>>7470
>Allah is El, the Canaanite supreme god
Allah is a different interpretation of Yahweh, and Yahweh is a lesser of god of the Israelites who had become the chief god of the Hebrews. Yahweh is also a collection of different Semitic gods merged into one, and was later saw as the one sole god of the Hebrews. Is this really that hard to understand?

>He was typically associated with Kronos (Saturn) by the Greeks
No he was not. The "Greeks" you're referring was a writer named Herennius Philon and the Christcucks writers after him. He was clearly wrong as the mythology of Kronos and El are more different than they are similar. Even scholars point this out.

>which is to say a god of death and decay
Cronus is the god of time, which is why he is associated with death and decay, as everything within time will die and decay.

>So like all Abrahamists, Muslims are basically Satanists
This statement is retarded and makes no sense. Abrahamics are not satanists, for they cannot be if they are in favour of the lies of ((( Zion ))) and the ((( Hebrews ))) within the Old Testament. And they do not worship gods like Cronus, they constantly vilify the gods of the gentiles. Even if Cronus were merged into the mix of Yahweh's character, then it still wouldn't be considered satanic by the Hebrews. 

This post comes off as something cuckchan's /x/ would bullshit around.
>>7470
>Kronos
>which is to say a god of death and decay.
But Kronos (and later Saturnus) was god of agriculture, time and social order! Even the Roman festival of Saturnalia was celebrated in honor of Saturnus. Saturnalia was basically christmas before christmas was a thing (equinoxes and solstices were celebrated by all ancient cultures). Also, why would have the Romans worshiped a malevolent deity?
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From the three posts above me i have concluded that

1. None of you know what the fuck you are talking about, you and even agree on one single thing and all claim to be experts

2. No one here knows who fucking allah is and thats a good thing cuz i heard hes a dirty paki
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Ill throw in my opinon on these matters which as uninformed as any of yours is

I always thought "Saturn" sounded a lot like "satan" and therefore was evil

Where as I always thought "Jupiter" sounds a lot like "Deus Pater" which is the Heavenly Father
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allah isn't real btw
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Leave, this is a halal board. If you want pro-gay cancer go to >>>/pol/4175

>>7462
<Soyjaks
You probably look like the nigger in the pic attached

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>>7480
The powerless goy lashes upon his brethren, only to find out that all his struggles are meaningless. Yelling TKD now! with all his strengths, yet reality remains the same. His race moving closer to extinction, whether through miscegenation or actual genocide, it matters not, for he is coping online with his new found "freedoms".
"Wowie, a website where I can type Nigger to my hearts content! Thats is great" said, the sub5 male with no future prospects. He mistakes the ability to type Nigger and endlessly scrolling through curated "Based" and "Redpilled" slop for actual political activism. His race is dying, but he is content. At least now, he can spend his days calling anons spics and pajeets and sleep tight with a sense of accomplishment, something he often longed for.
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>>7483
you really put the BLACK into blackshirt here
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>>7484
he's the soyjak shooter, look him up.
>>7476
Saturnalia was a drunken gambling festival with crossdressing priests and liberated slaves. The more I read about paganism the more I sympathise with the early Christians who killed all these people tbh
>>7483
why did you have to make me look at this ugly nigger? I see enough of that every time I go outside
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>>7486
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It's a legitimate question, even if you got ass-pained by a cartoon bald man.
On the topic of potentially recruiting christians, I think the best course of action is to put them on a 10-year probationary period (without their knowledge obviously) and consign them to grunt work exclusively. Nothing too important, nothing that would put them in a position to overhear any sensitive information. IF they are to do any remotely technical work it should be done under heavy (but again, unwitting) surveilance. Make it grueling, punishing work, the better to break their egos and make them susceptible to indoctrination. The whole time they should be pressured to question their preconceptions, renounce their beliefs and reconnect with their ethnic and cultural roots. If they make it alive through this 10-year period, then they should be cleared to be considered candidates for full membership.

That or just lie to them and use them as cannon fodder and decoys (again, without them knowing). Let them believe they're dying for their jew god.
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I asked this in the book thread, but didn't get a reply. What are some good books to learn about the ancient origins of Judaism, and how they re-appropriated Semitic gods to create Yahweh?

>>8031
If we had the power to do any of this, the best option would be just to do what the Western democrats have been doing for decades: subverting it to our own ideas while simultaneously denouncing its foundations and convincing school students that it's insufficient for what they want. You can tell that for a certain amount of time (especially during and after WWII), the establishment was trying to get Christians to acknowledge Christianity as a universalist, altruistic, and individualist religion for the sake of "democratic values". By the time the civil rights revolution broke out, Christianity was seen as insufficiently altruistic and America's youth wanted something more radical than what they saw as limited opportunity for altruism and to "help" sub-humans. A lot of great White men and women are currently Christian and would get unfortunately swept up in persecutions.
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>If we had the power to do any of this
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In Mein Kampf Hitler says that if Christianity is incompatible with white survival, religious revivalism becomes more important than forming a political movement.

I think what we are seeing in America RN, with the USAID audits revealing that every Christian denomination has been taking money to replace us with spics and niggers, proves this is the case.

Yes, there are Christian Identity tards that still support white nationalism. However, not only are they a tiny minority, but the Old Testament morality they support is in many ways opposed to our nature as Aryans. As such, I feel like they're doomed to remain fringe if not fail outright.

The left waged the culture war for decades before they were finally able to normalise trannies and mass immigration. Obviously they had the benefit of infiltrating institutions, but it seems like they've pulled up the ladders behind themselves for the most part so idk if that could work for our guys.

I really think that all of our energies should be directed towards forming pagan religious movements in the ruins of third-world America. Movements that will encourage the good aspects of Christian morality, like having families and not doing drugs, while at the same time explicitly safeguarding white interests.

I will admit that I'm desperate for some sort of white community in my life, but have been unable to find one. Every church I've been to has been nothing but Jew worship and bending over backwards to accomodate minorities. Even the Mormons do sermons in Spanish and allow illiterate niggers to give testimony from the pulpit.

Christianity needs to be utterly destroyed in order for the white race to be saved. I grow more convinced of this with each passing day. But people need some sort of spirituality, and this neopagan consumerist shit of building a home altar and nothing else isn't going to cut it. We need a real alternative to organised Abrahamism in all of its forms.

I don't trust these return to the land people and other white nationalists who claim to be religiously agnostic but forbid "religious infighting" i.e. criticism of Christianity. A religion centered around worshipping a Jew, and living a life based on books written by Jews, is simply inherently incompatible with white interests.
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>>8196
>The left waged the culture war for decades before they were finally able to normalise trannies and mass immigration. 
>culture war
It was no war, there was no resistance, just a constant and inexorable dissolution and lots of noise to cajole right wing people into thinking they wouldn't get fooled. The real culture war was Aryan vs Jew and was lost in 1945.
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>>8208
To some degree yes, Jews love to organize kayfabe in their little arena of politics as much as they enjoy seeing chicken killing each other for real in real life wars, all for their greedy pleasure among other things.
We can see the fakeness of it through the rather bizarre and almost synchronous turn on heels from multiple e-celebs who until recently were strongly engaged against wokeism–although you could easily spot their own stupid limitations on certain topics which always came in the form of typical conservative styled disclaimers about not being racists or denouncing nazis or stuff like that–but who all espoused the right-wing-woke libel as soon as Trump won. All too convenient. Soon enough they will be the ones saying that Gamergate defenders are the real freaks. That's because they had only two options: keep pushing harder against leftists which means they would have to go beyond the new line drawn by Trump, or turn against a new kind of scapegoat so they could recycle their anti-woke shtick at a much safer cost. So now the people who rightfully were ding-ding-dinggin' are now denounced as easily triggered snowflakes and woke-rightoids, which could have easily come from left wing activists.
What is called a cultural war is more like an opposition of two controlled camps and people are not allowed to step out because the real war only begins when you attack the Jew and defend the White.
>They'd rather have us arguing about fags or pronouns than, say, racial dilution.
Oh sure although these are real problems too but more like side quests. They are terribly revealing symptoms.
>Another thing: everything gets boiled down to these super simple, black-and-white arguments. Like, you're either 100% for this, or 100% against it. There's no room for, like, "Well, it's complicated.", and it just makes it impossible to have a real conversation.
Here's a nice rule. KISS, for "Keep It Simple, Stupid."
I think that when you stick to the Fourteen Words and the Eighty Eight Precepts for example, which almost nobody on our side does oddly enough, you keep things convenient and expedient.
Things are not so complicated, more like grim. Many Whites have someone in their family who's married to a mongrel or a shitskin, some people know someone nice who isn't White, etc. It's almost endless. Yet it's very simple, Whites should have all the power and decide and immigration should be reverted up to 80-90% at the very least.
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>>8211
You're arguing with a bot
https://zzzchan.xyz/b/logs/02-25-2025.html
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>>8212
The post definitely felt whataboutish and needlessly naive and even irrelevant to the OP for a good chunk of its content but I figured that I may take the chance that it was a random guy passing by.
>>8207
>there was no resistance
Tell that to the ethnic Catholics who fought against porn legalisation and forced the code on Hollywood. Really, the jews were able to take over America for a few main reasons:

>Diversity within the "white" population left the Jews stronger than any other ethnic group. Particularly, the Irish have helped the jews push mass immigration and nigger rights. The Italians have also helped normalise criminality.

>WASPs were always philosemites. Seriously, Sephardic Jews have been here from the beginning, and muh founding fathers looked up to them for religious knowledge, including Kabbalah.

>The Jews got in on the ground floor of the emerging mass media and weaponised it to control the minds of the goyim. If this hadn't been the case, it would have been nigh impossible to convince the majority Germanic population of the US to wage war against Hitler.

>Finally, as a bunch of yeoman farmers, American whites were never sophisticated enough to resist the inertia of 1000+ years of international Jewish finance capital. The establishment of the Federal Reserve guaranteed the eventual hyperinflationary collapse of this country. I'm honestly surprised we've lasted this long.

<The real culture war was Aryan vs Jew and was lost in 1945.
The real culture war was Roman vs. Jew and was lost in the early part of the first milennium AD. The degeneration of our race since then is a symptom of our natural elite's gradual capitulation to and admixture with international Jewish elements, which itself was justified by appeal to false historical narratives of "chosen-ness" in the Old Testament. For example, Charlemagne had Jewish ancestry, and he dutifully massacred pagans i.e. real Europeans as a result.
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>>8227
Lemme guess. You want to make America Great Again.
You can't wage a war against Jews if you don't expose the Jews and call for their removal so that a proud and strong White people could thrive instead. That is what Germans did. That was a true culture war, anything else is bullshit.
Your Christcucks would never go there because they at best tackle the Jewish issue from the faith perspective, not that of race, and if they had done their job right they would precisely pointed out who was behind the debasement of their society.
There is nothing left of racially motivated Catholics in the USA and they're weak, they have never achieved anything against immigration and against the Jewish power because they never understood, or they always pretended not understanding, that the only way to freedom is to get rid of the Jews.
>>The Jews got in on the ground floor of the emerging mass media and weaponised it to control the minds of the goyim.
What did the based Catholics do against that? Did they form antisemitic brigades and drag these Jews in the streets to hang them to lampposts?
>>Finally, as a bunch of yeoman farmers, American whites were never sophisticated enough to resist the inertia of 1000+ years of international Jewish finance capital.
What a joke. They are not more sophisticated today. And they're even less numerous, percentage wise.
Going by this logic, it is over.
>The real culture war was Roman vs. Jew and was lost in the early part of the first milennium AD.
Show me where the Roman anti-Jewish rhetoric and their attempts at killing them. Despite their violence and imperialism, they grew complacent, weak and bloated with migrants. Like America today, which is Rome 2.0.
Only the Germans in the last two thousand years of history have presented a true and complete solution in the form of an all out attack on the Jews at every level of the society, in every domain of life, including the spiritual and the racial ones, ensconced in such a global vision of the world and its future.
Rome doesn't hold a candle against the Third Reich. The real culture war that we had been waiting for was World War Two.
>The degeneration of our race since then
Our race was not degenerate for the millennium and a half after the fall of Rome and still is not to this day. If it were true Fascism could have not appeared and the Third Reich would have not been born. We were parasited by an intellectual and spiritual plague that finds its source in Levantine scriptures and Semitic magical thinking, but the race was never the problem and for the most part is still strong and kicking today, although there's a lot of waste that needs to be purged. You just need to look into White European armies, especially in the North but even specialized minor groups in Italy, and ignore for a moment what's in their heads to see very strong and fit specimens. Leaving out the obviously fat and unfit things allowed in the army at large, the same applies with the special forces in the United States. The blood is not at fault, the mind is.
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>>8230
>What did the based Catholics do against that?
They didn't do shit. I don't like christcucks either, but anon is retarded, Catholics were helping zionists more-so than the WASPs were, who actually were anti-semitic. Catholics collaborated with allies to defeat the Axis, and they were the most staunch anti-Nazis/fascists, even in America. The most fervant anti-nazis before and during Hitler's reign were Cathcucks. High chance you've responded to a Latinx groyper, the Roman LARP is really telling.
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Their all-in-one flag is getting bloated.
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Be sure to familiarize yourself with the christcuck's dirty argumentation tricks.
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Purim happens on the 14th of the month of Adar.
https://www.chabad.org/holidays/purim/article_cdo/aid/645309/jewish/What-Is-Purim.htm
>The jolly Jewish holiday of Purim is celebrated every year on the 14th of the Hebrew month of Adar (late winter/early spring). Purim 2025 begins on Thursday night, March 13 and continues until Shabbat, March 14 (extending through Sunday in Jerusalem). It commemorates the (Divinely orchestrated) salvation of the Jewish people in the ancient Persian empire from Haman’s plot “to destroy, kill and annihilate all the Jews, young and old, infants and women, in a single day.” Literally “lots” in ancient Persian, Purim was thus named since Haman had thrown lots to determine when he would carry out his diabolical scheme, as recorded in the Megillah (book of Esther).
>In Eastern tradition, it is called poo-REEM.
:)
>What are Purim observances?
>Reading of the Megillah (book of Esther), which recounts the story of the Purim miracle. This is done once on the eve of Purim and then again on the following day.
>When to celebrate?
>One of the unique aspects of Purim is the diverse timing for its celebration.
>● Common Custom: Jews all over the world celebrate Purim on Adar 14, the day when our ancestors rested from the war against their enemies.
>● Walled Cities: Since the Jews of Shushan rested one day later, their Purim was deferred to the 15th. This was extended to include any city that was surrounded by walls in the days of Joshua, notably Jerusalem.
>● Small Towns: In ancient times, villagers only banded together with fellow Jews in the larger towns on Mondays and Thursdays, which were market days. Thus, the sages decreed that they should read the Megillah on the market day preceding 14 Adar. This custom is no longer practiced.

Remember first picrel?
There were theories and simple explanations.
https://www.metabunk.org/threads/explained-podesta-14-fish-promotional-tweet-for-un-global-sustainability-goals.9939/
https://theopenscroll.blogspot.com/2016/11/decoding-john-podestas-pic-with-14-and.html

I would not deny that the globalists love to recycle all sorts of Egyptians and Middle Eastern symbolism, and certain important numbers ought to be present in many beliefs, and Podesta wrote to a certain Mila fisher, of course.

But one possibly better although sinister explanation might have been ignored.

Fish is central to the month of Adar. 14 and Adar point to Purim.

https://ffoz.org/messiah/articles/something-fishy-about-adar
>The Talmud says: “When Adar enters, we increase joy (b.Ta’anit 29a).
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>Adar is the month in which we observe the joyous festival of Purim and the symbol for the month of Adar is the fish. What do fish have to do with Adar and Purim? In Jewish mysticism the fish represents a concealed reality. This is because the fish swims under the water and is hidden from plain sight. The book of Esther is full of concealed realities. For example the Jewish identity of Esther and Mordecai is hidden from the king and Haman. God himself and his hand are concealed throughout the story, so much so that he is not even mentioned in the book. He is certainly working but it is behind the scenes, so to speak.
Definitely, the one above is the most important paragraph of those I am citing here.
>The fish is also an appropriate symbol for the Jewish people. Their true identity and spiritual inheritance is hidden from most of the people of the world. The nations do not realize that if they bless Israel they will be blessed and if they curse them they will be cursed. They also do not realize that Israel is destined to rule over the whole world. Rashi commenting on Jacob’s blessing, “Let them grow into a multitude [like fish] in the midst of the earth” (Genesis 48:16), writes: “[Just] like fish, which proliferate and multiply, and are unaffected by the evil eye.” Rabbi Akiva likens the Jewish people to fish and the Torah to the water they swim in; just as a fish cannot live without water, the Jewish people cannot live without Torah (b.Brachot 61b).
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>For us as believers when we think of the symbol of the fish, probably what most likely comes to mind is the Christian fish symbol of the Ichthus. Ichthus is the Greek word for fish and is said to have been used in the early church as an acrostic for “Jesus Christ God’s Son Savior.” It already appears in conjunction with Christianity in the artwork of the mid-third-century catacombs of Rome and quite possibly it was used earlier as well. According to popular Christian tradition the symbol was a means whereby two disciples could identify one another during a time of heavy persecution from the Romans. As two strangers met, one would make an arc in the dirt forming one half of the fish, if the other completed the symbol, they recognized each other as disciples of Yeshua.
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>The fish symbol seems like a natural fit for the early believers. Many of the disciples were fishermen, there are many fish stories in the Gospels such as the feeding of the five thousand and the story of the miraculous catch of fish, and we have the Master’s words to the disciples that they will be “fishers of men.” There are some scholars that even believe it was used by Judaism before the time of Yeshua and was thus subsequently adopted by believers.
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>Gedaliahu Stroumsa feels that it is related to Yehoshua ben Nun, Joshua son of Nun.1 There is a close semantic proximity between Joshua and Yeshua. Yeshua is the shortened Aramaic version of the Hebrew Yehoshua. Add onto that that in Aramaic, the word Nun means “fish” and you have the association of both Joshua and Yeshua with a fish. The Midrash Rabbah reads:
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>    And the son of him whose name was as the name of a fish would lead them into the land: Nun his son, Joshua his son.
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>Therefore in light of the background of the legends that associated Joshua with a fish, Strousma believes it would be natural for Yeshua to be associated a fish symbol as well. Breslov tradition holds that one of the names of Messiah is Dag (“Fish”)2
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>Returning to the theme of concealment, Messiah is currently hidden from the world. He revealed himself in his first coming but was henceforth concealed until he returns once again and ushers in the Messianic Era. The kingdom of heaven is at hand but is also concealed to most people. But Messiah and his kingdom are not concealed to us as his followers. We can partake in a taste of that kingdom now as we eagerly await the day it will arrive in its fullness. In this way the story of Purim prefigures the story of redemption: What is hidden now will soon be revealed. For now let us all experience the increased joy of Adar and eat some extra fish this month as we long for the day that the concealment ends and the whole world will know who the King is and experience his kingdom.
>Footnotes:
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>    Gedaliahu G. Stroumsa, “The Early Christian Fish Symbol Reconsidered,” in Messiah and Christos: Studies in the Jewish Origins of Christianity (ed. Ithamar Gruenwald, Shaul Shaked, and Gedaliahu G. Stroumsa; Tübingen, Germany: J.C.B. Mohr, 1992), 199–205.
>    Rebbe Nachman, Likkutei Moharan 2:8.

The tweet:
https://x.com/johnpodesta/status/647493788869365762
>Important but overlooked Global Goal: no. 14— we must protect our oceans and life they sustain #SDGs
>7:32 PM · Sep 25, 2015

But the trail stops there because there's nothing I could find that would correlate the date of the tweet and the Hebrew one.

Perhaps this will remain the best clue:
>"Fishing 4teens"
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Pagans should be more emphatic about their fundamental incompatibility with freemasonry. Specifically the fagmason requirement to believe in a supreme being. This isn't to suggest that Indo-European traditions or animism generally do not have a sky father, earth mother, creator, or any other gods, but that belief itself is a specifically Christcuck epistemology related to Biblical faith in the unseen (Hebrews 11). By contrast Alain de Benoist observes "a pagan does not believe, but rather that he belongs. And that this membership, which cannot be dissociated from a collective belonging, also involves pietas, which is a clear awareness that its purpose is felt as a common reality." Likewise Stephen Pollington writes in relation to English heathenry that "Participation in a religious event was not necessarily an expression of personal belief, as it would be in a monolotrous religious tradition, but was rather an expression of community and solidarity with the other participants. To that extent, religion was a socially-embedded activity which put one in touch with Ancestors and Otherworld powers. Taking part in a heathen rite was more about belonging than about believing."
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>>8551
>Taking part in a heathen rite was more about belonging than about believing
I am glad you bring up the critical point that paganism is a relativistic position, which makes it self-contradictory. If you don't truly believe in it, it is not needed unless its aesthetic appeals to you.
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>>8552
>muh Jewish desert deity is the only truth
>>8552
Christian projection is not an argument
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>>8676
3 and 4 have unclear messaging, they're pretty easy to take the wrong way.
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8chan.moe /b/ board literally has a christian cuck mod.
You get banned if you notice and joke that they are okay with it, as long as in the end after cumming for it you repent to God. Posting and encouraging such a thing is okay, the slightest joke about Christians in the same thread results in a ban.
This is the case in so many online spaces now, it seems like Christianity and civic nationalism have taken over everything.
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>>8151
Sam Hyde's audience these days is a bunch of Mexicans and other browns who just spam it.
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>>8677
It's an IQ test.
>>8681
Or bots. You just can't know. Don't pay too much attention to comments.
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>>8567
>The Jesus Hoax
Am I supposed to read that really? Or is this an illustration of pic1 and just another attempt by a christcuck to salvage his favorite fairy tale?
Schizophrenic race-mixer and manlet Charls Carroll preaches that race is not real, that black people only kill white people because of hip-hop, and since Yahweh is the only true God you must be a coward who loves the man who kills your own son. 

To no one's surprise, his comments section is full of shitskins who have taken over MDE fanbase and cuckchan /pol/.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vrqlWHAJuEA
>>8726
>Don't pay too much attention to comments.
Seconding this. Any comment on the Internet, unless you have verified your counterpart's identity, should be assumed to be automated.
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Alain de Benoist is not an proper authority on paganism. You are pushing for an heretical (by the proper ancient Greek definition) and atheistic outlook of Paganism, your own ancestors would execute people like Socrates for impiety or anything less than the literal interpretation of the Gods being physical beings.
Your ancestors wrote that they met the Gods on a daily basis whenever by the forests or the ships.
>Public action against philosophers deemed atheistical is occasionally reported…In a general way, there are occasional allusions to philosophers declining to discuss religious matters “in the street.”
>Epicurus taught that gods existed and should be honored in traditional ways, but simply as a mark of respect: cult made no difference. Their philosophical enemies charged Epicureans with being closet atheists. Two cities (Messene; Lyttos in Crete) are said to have expelled them...
>The view that it mattered not at all what one said about the gods or was believed to think about them, provided one paid them cult, is too extreme: prosecution of an individual for impiety could occur, as could (probably) legislation against a group such as astronomers or Epicureans.
R.Parker
Or how about being made a outlaw because you refused to bow down to Thorgrim?
>Bui was thought to be peculiar as he grew up: he never wanted to make sacrifices and said it was undignified to prostrate himself…Thorgrim the Godi kept a close eye on people who were not willing to sacrifice, and they came in for some very harsh treatment from him.
In the spring of the year that Bui was twelve…Thorstein charged Bui at the Kjalarnes Assembly with false religion…and Bui was declared an outlaw.
Kjalnesinga saga
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>>8843
So basically they were all demented LARPers. I'm yet to see any evidence that these gods existed and walked in the forests, conveniently avoiding the streets, markets and swimming pools for some reason.
The human mind is really something, wanting so hard to believe in made up shit. Pure madness. You can only control such people by first accepting that reality, that you're in the process of managing millions of literal cretins and little girls.
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The gayest thing of all is "offerings". AKA I really should believe that this food that I'm laying down on this altar, which is obviously going to rot, is actually being consumed by an invisible being who extracts something from this delicacy, and that if I don't entertain this grotesque charade I'll be struck by bad luck for the rest of my poor life.
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>>8893
>>8894
>Your ancestors were just demented LARPers who knew nothing and were just delusional idiots!
<posts star trek 
Amazing, you're not only a fedora tipper, but you literally say the same stupid shit Jews say. Why don't you go LARP as monkey and stop trying to infiltrate a movement that was never atheist in the first place?
>“I am a Christian. He who answers thus has declared everything at  once—his country, profession, family; the believer belongs to no city on earth but to the heavenly Jerusalem.”
St. John Chrysostom
Remember this, /fascist/, a true Christian doesn't belong to any nation on earth but heeby jeeby New Jewrusalem.
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>>9074
That is because Christians are not materialists.
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Christianity isn't going to save the West.
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On that account, a spiritual poison is much worse than a material poison.
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>So Jesus called them together and said, “You know that those regarded as rulers of the Gentiles lord it over them, and their superiors exercise authority over them. But it shall not be this way among you. Instead, whoever wants to become great among you must be your servant, and whoever wants to be first must be the slave of all. For even the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His life as a ransom for many.”
Mark 10:42-45
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This Christian gets it.
Nationalists & /pol/ are at odds with Christianity for this reason.
People are turning to Paganism because the Pagan never asked of this.
>>9079
It wasn't meant to.
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>>9083
It was Globohomo 1.0
>>9083
That's something that's always bothered me about Christianity. For all of the bloviating about how the world is God's work and we should be grateful for it, in the end the temporal world is treated as irrelevant, a mere speedbump in your quest to get as many good boy points to be allowed into the big house in the sky. It's insidious.
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It is a hedonistic rat race between a world of endless pleasure (Heaven) and a world of endless pain (Hell).
Spiritual poison is even worse than materialist poison.
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Belief in values doesn't equate to destroying the perfection of those very values in the life and places we inhabit.
It is a distortion rather than a reflection.
Fundamentally, a perversion of the highest order.
Someone who truly believes in values would rather re-affirm their belonging, re-affirm their identity, re-affirm their sense of family and belonging, rather than reject all the above.
No Aristotle, no Plato, nor the Ancients, ever asked their peoples to abandon their posts and their cities and waft off like balloons. Instead they established the groundwork for their betterment. Rousseau was profoundly on the mark about Christianity and its anti-social elements.
Spiritual poison is worse than materialist poison.
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4th pic is how it is with most people.
Christianity in the West is more of a cultural baggage than genuine belief.
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another annoying thing about Biblical Christianity is how full of contradictions it is.
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To be entirely fair, when good ol' Christianity is stripped away from people, they don't put on fedoras and become euphoric.  They trip over their own feet running to embrace every manner of bizarre and destructive superstition, most of which are worse in every way.

The vast majority of IQ-90 normies lack the intellectual wherewithal, the necessary mental toughness, and the inclination to live without religion. If you try to take it away from them they'll make up something from rags and tatters of half-forgotten memes and whatever they saw on the teevee last night. They aren't going to turn into the Übermensch just from having the superstition ripped away from them. It isn't in them. They aren't capable of it.

It is, at base, a coping mechanism.  Of course it is.  The human condition, as the man says, is highly unsatisfactory for the vast majority of living human beings, and 'twas ever thus.  People cling to a belief system that encourages them to think they can comprehend and be part of something transcendent, something bigger than themselves.  They want something that makes them feel connected to prior generations, to their ancestors.  It's a coping mechanism, one with limitations, one that imposes additional psychological limitations, that can be burdensome and go against the immediate needs of survival.

Various states have arisen that have tried, with varying degrees of success, to retain most of the memetic infrastructure but swap in The People, or The Race, or The Nation-State as a substitute for muh Jeebus.  These philosophical exercises are frowned upon by ((( those ))) who prefer an atomized society made up of demoralized, deracinated, anomic, completely disconnected individuals content to live in the tube and eat the bugs and die childless so long as they get a promise that their Funko Pops will be buried with them.

tl;dr it's cope, but the vast majority of human beings need the crutch, and without it they drink themselves to death and kill one another over imagined slights. It forces them to be orderly and have some thought to the future. It creates and promotes social capital.  All these things are absolute requirements for civilization. There are very destructive things about it also, the effeminate mysticism, the central place it gives to ((( them ))). But flying saucer cults and astrology and the Moonies are even more destructive.  Choose one.
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>>9100
>false dichotomy
>disparaging non-((( Abrahamic ))) faiths
Hairy semitic hands typed this post.
>>9100
>human beings need the crutch, and without it they drink themselves to death and kill one another over imagined slights. It forces them to be orderly and have some thought to the future. It creates and promotes social capital.
No they don't, japanese society works perfectly fine under shinto paganism, the streets are clean and people adhere to order and stability. Most people choose chrischanity because there is simply nothing else availible as a social activity. Not because they genuinely believe any of it, and most "christians" don't know the faintest thing about their religion. 

There's nothing special about christianity besides it being a deracinated religion about actually worshipping the George Floyd of Rome but instead of being black he was a semitic rabbi that had nothing in common with white society and way of life.

Besides that chrischanity created the dark ages with it's proto marxism, hundreds of wasted years before the Renaissance(A Prestroika from religious marxism) to reform the separation of church and state. 

It was only then white people could actually get back on track progressing as societies, creating and achieving as a people without being tortured and murdered by bitter and jealous christcuck maniacs.
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>>9103
Average IQ in Japan is around 110. What's the average IQ of the fast-breeding illiterate Turd World campesinos who are hopping the border ten million at a time to get here, and who are already the majority among those aged under 30 in Ameri-Kwa?

>oh we'll just get rid of them
>they're something like 60% of the population of fighting-age males
>but we'll make them give up El Guelfare and La Reconquista and go back where they came from

Pack a lunch.

Also,

>Asiatics

Bugmen building the perfect human hive.  They were living in the pod and eating the bugs before there was an Internet.  There are things about them worth studying and perhaps even emulating, but their worldview isn't one of them.
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>>9113
Asiatic worldview is way more sociable than the Christian worldview tbh. 
It prioritizes family and social teachings.
Christianity views society as one big rotten pot. Christians view society as a big public school full of bad influences. Divides society into two (church & secular society).
In other words, it is the perfect drug for schizo retards who love to preach and make their own society.
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>Bugmen building the perfect human hive
This is literally /fascist/.
The name of the game of /fascist/ ideology is unitary, corporatist thinking.
Another thing is notice how Christians teach people to shun that kind of thinking and sociability. It is a residue from early Christianity when they were alien to society and lived underground in their own synagogues in fear of persecution and viewing the rest of society with contempt.
Not that Christians don't do the same with The Church, but that is what makes it even more duplicitous. 
Until the modern era, the Church was the only corporatist thinking, but it was always alienated from gentile society from the beginning and that way of thinking never died with Christianity.
I recommend reading Rousseau Social Contract pages 67 through 73.
https://www.earlymoderntexts.com/assets/pdfs/rousseau1762.pdf
>This was the situation when Jesus came to set up on earth a spiritual kingdom, which, by separating the theological from the political system, destroyed the unity of the state, and caused the internal divisions that never ceased to trouble Christian peoples. This new idea of a kingdom of 'the other world' could never have occurred to pagans, so they always regarded the Christians as really rebels.

>But this religion, having no special relation to the body politic, leaves the laws with only the force they draw from themselves without adding anything to it; which means that one of the great bonds for uniting the society of the given country is left idle. Worse: so far from binding the citizens' hearts to the state, it detaches them from that and from all earthly things. I know of nothing more contrary to the social spirit.

>They tell us that a populace of true Christians would form the most perfect society imaginable. I see only one great difficulty about this idea, namely that a society of true Christians wouldn't be a society of men.

>Christianity is an entirely spiritual religion, occupied solely with heavenly things; the Christian's country is not of this world.

>But I'm wrong to speak of a Christian republic--those terms are mutually exclusive. Christianity preaches only servitude and dependence. Its spirit is so favourable to tyranny that it always profits by such a régime. Genuine Christians are made to be slaves, and they know it and don't much mind: this short life counts for too little in their eyes.

I don't think anyone adequately sums up /pol/'s & /fascist/'s discontent with Christianity better.
>>8 (OP) 
We must just tell 'em about the contradictions on christian theology, the nonsense of monotheism, the lies of the jews, how christianity has been a controlled dissidence sect since it's beginnings and how Racial Supremacy of the White Aryan Race is not possible with Christianity.
If they don't wake up, it's because they are cursed and under a death spell.
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>>9083
Because it was never a pro-white religion, christianity is intrinsecally and utterly jewish.
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>>9236
>>9237
Good to see other atheists around.
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>>9239
We're not atheists. Atheism is Jewish and is for deluded faggots who despise the concept of order and authority which is why they mock concept of "le sky daddy" (likely a common case of daddy issues amongst atheists). They're retarded materialists and disgrace their ancestors no different than christcucks and Jews, because they think it is "logical". Christianity and atheism are pretty much the same. 
>inb4 muh definition
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>>9240
And what makes your collection of gods any more correct than any other? Sell me on how you came to the conclusion that your religion is the true religion and atheism is wrong.
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>>9242
Through ontological mathematics.
See >>843
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Filthy Sun worshipers made Yahweh seethe.
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>>9262
What doesn't make Yahweh seethe?
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>cuckstianity is actively used by glowniggers as a lure and literal derad organization
>It follows from the incompatibility of National Socialist and Christian views that we must reject any strengthening of existing Christian denominations or any support for newly emerging Christian denominations. There is no difference between the different Christian denominations. For this reason, the idea of establishing a Protestant Imperial Church by uniting the various Protestant churches has been finally abandoned, because the Protestant Church is just as hostile to us as the Catholic Church. Any strengthening of the Protestant Church would only work against us.

>It was a historical mistake of the German emperors in the Middle Ages that they repeatedly created order at the Vatican in Rome. In general, it is a mistake that we Germans unfortunately all too often fall into: we strive to create order when we should have an interest in fragmentation and disunity. The Hohenstaufens should have had the greatest interest in the fragmentation of church power. From the point of view of the empire, it would have been best if not one pope, but at least two, if possible even more, popes had existed and fought each other...

>More and more the people must be wrested away from the churches and their organs, the pastors. Of course, from their point of view, the churches will and must defend themselves against this loss of power. 

>But the churches must never again be allowed to have any influence on the leadership of the people. 

>This must be broken completely and finally. Only the Reich leadership and, on its behalf, the party, its branches and affiliated associations have the right to lead the people.

>We would be repeating the mistakes that were the empire's downfall in the past centuries if, after recognizing the ideological opposition of the Christian denominations, we now somehow contributed to strengthening one of the various churches. The interest of the empire lies not in overcoming, but in maintaining and strengthening ecclesiastical particularism."

Verhältnis von Nationalsozialismus und Christentum
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>>9272
Sutura tempestiva novem servat
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More pro-refugees.
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The new pope is a literal niggermutt. I'm tired of seeing pictures of him everywhere. Every time I do I want to vomit. The Church was always the beachhead of Jewish subversion in Europe but they aren't even trying to be subtle anymore. Any sane white person should have left ages ago
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>>9263
A bag of foreskins.
>>9361
But he's MAGA!
>>9285
Nuking Vatican when?
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>>9361
The niggerpopes complexion looks very diseased and ill, I think he uses something to whiten his shit skin. Someone that can draw well should make an amerimutt of this pic.

Hard to not notice how it's always old low T weak men too and never youthful, strong men. Similar to how most nations leaders are chosen. Low T geriatrics with plenty of degeneracy and skeletons in their closet who will never rise up against the jewish power matrix.
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>>9373

>Hard to not notice how it's always old low T weak men too and never youthful, strong men. Similar to how most nations leaders are chosen. Low T geriatrics with plenty of degeneracy and skeletons in their closet who will never rise up against the jewish power matrix.

65 is considered too young for a Pope, may be even too young for a Cardinal (unless you are a homosexual).

But why would youthful, strong men want to be priests rather than workers, soldiers, or traders? It's a vocation best left for those of certain age, life experience, and wisdom.
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>>9391
I always wonder if the raunchy and assholish antics attributed to pagan gods are christcuck smear jobs. They lied about Odin drinking semen, it's not a stretch to think they might have lied about everything else.
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So about e celebs.. It seems our guys talking points have reach the ether and HT who initially was christian has become pagan and officially denounced christianity on his streams unexpectedly with much seething and handwringing and drama from christians about how rabbi jeshua and yaweh from the desert are axckshually the white mans religion. 

It's rare brave and real of handsome truth to do as he's a streamer and relies on donations to do something like that so much respect to him. Remember to support him in it, he could actually be instrumental in making the next real Folkish movement.
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>>9392
>I always wonder if the raunchy and assholish antics attributed to pagan gods are christcuck smear jobs.
The Old Testament God of the Bible far surpasses the antics of the pagan gods.
Christ has a small handful of appealing quotes, but full of insanity like asking his followers to abandon their families and civilization to be like homeless vagrants and birds of the air (this rhetoric is softened with an appeal to spiritual values & there is a tinge of liberation theology to being like birds of the air).
I wonder how many Christians who say Christ is King and post icons even know the man they worship or are caught up in the moment. I lean towards the latter.
Darkmatter2525 is a cringe atheist, but this video of his is spot on:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0PepyWE4ug
Christianity and Jesus is nothing like rightwing Christians want him to be.
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>>9394
>Christ has a small handful of appealing quotes, but full of insanity like asking his followers to abandon their families and civilization to be like homeless vagrants and birds of the air (this rhetoric is softened with an appeal to spiritual values & there is a tinge of liberation theology to being like birds of the air).
It's easy to read it as them being roving bandits, which fits with a lot of historical background of kikes perpetrating banditry and being criminal scum, always skipping town to escape consequences. Come to think of it, Mohammed was much the same way, a rapacious desert-dwelling bandit who founded a cult of personality which snowballed out of control after his death.
666
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>>9398
Very funny, but supposedly the actual unholy number is 616. I'm not an expert on jewish gematria so I can't be too sure.
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>>9398
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>>9373
Ask and you shall receive
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>>9400
666 is a pagan solar number.
Read Lane, especially what relates to the Pyramid Prophecy. It's important to understand this.
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>>9405
Excellent
>>9406
On which text can I learn about the Pyramid Prophecy?
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>>9415
https://archive.org/download/collection-of-works-of-david-lane/collection-of-works-of-david-lane.pdf
https://balderexlibris.com/index.php?post/2012/03/11/Lane-David-The-Essential-Writings-of-David-Lane
There was a bit of controversy about how his words were assembled and the Pyramid Prophecy is not provided in its complete form in these "works". A separate document was created which contains much more content and I presume all that pertains to this prophecy.
https://ia801605.us.archive.org/34/items/ThePyramidProphecy/ThePyramidProphecy.pdf
https://www.jrbooksonline.com/PDF_Books/Lane/deceived_damned_and_defiant_david_lane.pdf
You will progressively understand that, well, most people won't get it, or won't find an interest in this. But if this lines up with your spirit then you will know it is what you wanted and needed to know.
You can find some of the texts as separate pages on the following website:
http://www.davidlane1488.com/whywotan.html
http://www.davidlane1488.com/sevenseals.html
http://www.davidlane1488.com/ppintro.html
http://www.davidlane1488.com/theprophecy.html
http://www.davidlane1488.com/pryamid2.html
http://www.davidlane1488.com/pryamid3.html
http://www.davidlane1488.com/14wordsdecoded.html
There's perhaps nothing more important than these words and you will greatly appreciate how the digits 1 4 8 8 can both get your into trouble for merely displaying them and how they make Jews scream in absolute terror.
https://vk.com/davidlane1488
https://vk.com/davidlane1488?w=wall-191666808_3111
https://vk.com/photo-191666808_457240728
https://vk.com/wall-191666808_2570
I for one would not be here and the man I am without these texts, as simple as that.
>>9422
Where can I get the Study Havamal?
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>>9427
Have you tried the internet? It is pretty cool.
>>9427
A question "Where can I get this book" should always try "Library Genesis" as the default answer:

https://libgen.rs/search.php?req=Havamal&open=0&res=25&view=simple&phrase=1&column=def

I'm not familiar with this book, and it appears to be absent from the most generous search results. In which case, looking at Anna's Archive might prove more fruitful:

https://annas-archive.org/search?q=Havamal
https://annas-archive.org/md5/8b039924fe35b2a9d95307d10563d7aa

The set of works available is larger, but download speeds are ass compared to LibGen.
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I'm glad this board is in revolt against the status quo.
Everything feels as if it is stuck in a ditch between choosing between Liberalism and Christianity.
All the rightwingers flock to the latter, Christianity, obviously, or else be a liberal.
Which is a very drab and boring dichotomy albeit I'm beginning to think I'd rather be a liberal than a christian.
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What to do with the great works of art done in the name of Christianity? Ashamed though I am to do so, I must confess I feel uncomfortable at the thought of smashing Michelangelo's David or painting over the Sistine Chapel.
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>>9695
Christianity was the jew's biggest weapon ever along with race-mixxing.
By the way, here is the Study Havamal.
>>9696
Destroy them utterly, without mercy, they did the same to our art prior, why should any trace remain of their disgusting religion?
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How did Christianity spread?

Europe converted between 350 AD through 600 AD, primarily from the 390 AD - 500 AD for mainland Europe, then England by the 600s.

Early Christianity before Constantine
>From 180 AD through 300 AD, there is a noticeable uptick in Christians (although Pliny the Younger in 112 AD mentions them to Trajan & Tacitus mentions Nero's persecution in 64 AD, Christians became way more prevalent sometime around 180 AD - 300 AD).
>The Diocletian persecution would happen in 303 AD, but to no avail.
>311 AD, Galerius ends persecution with the Edict of Serdica.

Constantine & his dynasty
>Edict of Milan
>Constantine's reign is tolerant, but would prohibit animal sacrifices
>By around 350 AD, Christians begin to predominate
>Constantius II institutes anti-pagan policies:
>Death penalty for sacrifices and idolatry
>Closure and destruction of temples throughout the empire
>In 357 AD, Constantius II removes the Altar of Victory

Theodosius I
>Theodosius I reinforces what Constantius II started, effectively expunging paganism.
>Christianity becomes the state religion
>pagan temples throughout the empire would have funding removed and destroyed, like Henry VIII's dissolution of the monasteries
>Eternal fire in the Temple of Vesta is extinguished
>Theodosius I is renown as the emperor who killed paganism
>After Theodosius I, his sons, Honorius and Acadius, continue suppressing paganism

Justinian I wiped the last bastions of paganism in his reign in the 500s, expelling the Academy of Athens. Justinian I was the final nail in the coffin, but The Maniots would be the last Hellenes to convert centuries later.

Fall of the Roman Empire
>Arian Christians and Germanic tribes adopt Christianity
>Clovis converts in 496 AD, the culmination of Christianity in the West
>England by 597 AD to 680 AD converts, particularly between  625 AD to 642 AD.
>Boniface cuts Donar's Oak c. 723 AD
>Charlemagne conquers the Saxons and forcibly converts
>Northern Europe begins to convert around 900 AD - 1, 000 AD
>Northern Crusades ensue to convert the remnants of pagan Europe
>Lithuania is the last to convert
I've been watching muslim vs jew vs christian debate videos for a while now.
Something I've began to notice is for Abrahamics they always form a discussion circle to cobble together religious debate.
It's almost like an ancient archtype as if these groups met in the town square for interfaith debacle somewhere in the Middle East and this custom carried over through the years to the present day.
The "Abrahamic debate circle" motif.
Each group is so accustomed to this form of debating. It feels surreal.
In these videos they always form a circle like schoolyard children with an audience surrounding them as they gossip about their desert lore fandom. 
Samples:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4ZTwj9OLDQ

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/KxZdxAKI8U0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiYfaobyCHc

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/aGpOkJWOrfc

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/TEF9uRt979I

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/nQkhdpBq-ys
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They say, Christ is King.
To be a king of a people is to be their archtype, also to be the same kind: king is kin.
There is a blood relationship between a king and his people.
The triumph of Christianity is to severe the blood relationship from all nations and their own bond as a people and bring it away from the Nation and into the fold of the Church: all peoples, regardless of race, drink the blood of Christ and become a family, brothers and sisters in Christ.
Christ is a world king and supplants the archtypes of all peoples.
This is why Christ is depicted different racially across other cultures: the people of those different cultures accepted Christ as their king, so the progenitor of their people.
White Nationalists oppose Christianity because it supplanted their race and their archtype with a Jew, the King of the Jews. European royalty haven't been racially linked to their people either, a cause of this is Christianity for sake of Christ as the true king. Our ancestors haven't been racially conscious in the past for the same reason: their archtypical king was supplanted like a parasite.
Christianity has made people all over the world a bastard people whose cultures have been hijacked and supplanted with the Messianic King:
Isaiah 60
>The sons of foreigners shall build up your walls, and their kings will serve you
>Therefore your gates shall be open continually; they shall not be shut day or night,
>That men may bring to you the wealth of the Gentiles, and their kings in procession.
>For the nation and the kingdom which will not serve you shall perish, and those nations shall be utterly ruined.
Isaiah 61
>Strangers shall stand and feed your flocks, and the sons of the foreigner shall be your plowmen and your vinedressers.
>But you shall be named the priests of the Lord, they shall call you the servants of our God.
>You shall eat the riches of the Gentiles, and in their glory you shall boast.
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>>92
The whole "God has punished the kikes" doesn't make it any better.
The Christian nationalist cope that God chose the Jewish people to make an example out of them makes no sense to me.
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>>9834
I guess early Freemasons were based before they got kiked. Their syncretic approach was their death kneel.
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Tiresome, superversive and cringe.
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>>9861
Rene Guenon in his studies of Freemasonry investigates this point. His conclusion was that Anti-Tradition (Satan and his willing and unwilling pawns) subverted the movement at some relatively recent time in history, just as it's about to be done with Catholic Church, and wears the corpse of the dead tradition as some kind of a mental-spiritual skinsuit.
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>>9879
>Satan
Kike word.
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>>9866
That's just an attempt by globohomo to coopt our symbols. This simply cannot happen with >>9422

>>9881
Yes but try to move beyond such kneejerk reactions to understand the meaning of the point. Satan in their language is the final big boss.
Freemasonry seems to have been infiltrated and spun around the mid 17th Century, IIRC.
It really depends on how we appreciate the concept of Tradition because from our perspective, the notion of care is paramount to our survival, but it is totally denied by Perennialists, at least of the kind who work from Guenon and perhaps that bizarre Schuon guy. At the end the latter seems to have somehow betrayed the former, who himself dropped the ball by marying into a North African family in Egypt. Despite this, Guenon would talk about Atlantis being itself a sort of revival, or kind of vestige or reboot of the much older Hyperboria. But what, did he think that Hyperboria was some kind of multicultural society? From our point of view, denial of race definitely is one of the weapons of this enemy. Also, Guenon spoke of Anti-Tradition and the much worse Counter-Tradition that was the real active force at work to destroy all traces of said Tradition.
>>9881
>Kike word.
Most of Western Europeans have "kike words" in their name, Anon. Unless you're from an Orthodox country, where Greek names are usually more common than Hebrew ones, your family is full of people with Hebrew names such as John, Matthew, Mark/Marco, David, Simon, Jacob...

The concept itself - of an actively malicious force in the world that hates men and seeks their corruption and downfall - predates kikes. It has certainly crystallized by the time of Zoroaster, with the whole point of old Persian religion is viewing life as a battle between Divine Wisdom and Destroyer. Given how much kikes love to steal, I suppose that's where they got their idea of Satan.

>Also, Guenon spoke of Anti-Tradition and the much worse Counter-Tradition that was the real active force at work to destroy all traces of said Tradition.
You are correct, Anon, although the words "Satanic", "Satanism" and "Satan" are encountered in his writings, especially in Reign of Quantity and Signs of the Times, when he wanted to be precise, he did use the term Counter-Tradition. "Satan and his minions" is perhaps a too liberal generalization (that does remove the need to explain what Primordial Tradition is and what is Counter-Tradition to it).

Still, it is obvious that by today, Freemasonry had been captured by Counter-Tradition, and it seems that Catholic Church has suffered the same fate. "Online Christians" (some of whom are to be found on a board on this same site!) can give you a good view of this. Supposedly rebel. Supposedly anti-semitic, yet the moment you introduce the pro-White discourse into their midst, the mask drops off. Fucking cucks.

>But what, did he think that Hyperboria was some kind of multicultural society
I'm curious where you got this, is my memory blanking out the unpleasant parts? Do you have a quote?
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>>9954
>I'm curious where you got this, is my memory blanking out the unpleasant parts? Do you have a quote?
Just a cheeky inference from me since he was not racist and committed racial treason. He pretty much ditched Europe as lost, with no Tradition whatsoever but barely scratched the influence the Jews had in this loss. He wasn't even interested in even trying to revive or rediscover anything outside of Abrahamism and his funny fusion of esoteric Islam and Asian philosophy. Meanwhile, he didn't have anything to say about National Socialism aside from a very indirect quip at those who use the hakenkreutz, not to say misuse. I'll have to check those old translated files I had to see if I can find some citation, it was specific to his studies on symbolism and the cross.
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>>9957
>He wasn't even interested in even trying to revive or rediscover anything outside of Abrahamism
This is factually not true, as most of his work concerns Hinduism as the vestige of the original Aryan religion. But Guenon had enough racial consiousness to realize that a "white Hindu" in XX century is an absurdity, hence he chose to try and dig esoteric secrets out of Sufi sect.

If we take the second apocalyptic work (Reign of Quantity and Signs of the Times) as the crowning jewel, Traditionalism is inherently a pessimistic philosophy. Course of the world is set towards universal dissolution. Guenon states multiple times that a localized revival, reversal in time and space is possible, but no effort of men can change the overall impetus of the race to the bottom. Guenon pursued the path of personal salvation in the end; but a lot of his earlier work was investigating possibilities of a collective revival of genuine Western spirituality.
tl;dr man OD'd on blackpills. 

This is not a reason to altogether dismiss Traditionalism. First, it cannot be completely wrong, because it had been useful for predicting the scenario of a further degradation of society. Second, an experiment with state atheism played throughout XX century vindicated Chesterton - a man who believes in nothing will be made to believe most ridiculous jewish lies, including "UFOs" that will deliver all-wise and all-powerful "extraterrestrials" and anarchic hodge-podge of "new age spirituality" (it's like Holy Roman Empire) and therefore, a successful pro-White state will need a pro-White religion to maintain stability, and Traditionalism can provide a framework for such a thing.
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Sometimes, you just need to let the enemy speak for themselves and they'll do your job for you. This is from "CHRIST IS THE KING" forum, which is apparently a... successor to RooshV (some kind of gay shitskin) "Pickup artistry" forum, with many of the same personalities present.

Seething Pajeet in question is the board owner of "CHRIST IZ KANG". Nuff said.
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>>9972
The incident that sparked the autistic outrage was a trife - a few months ago, a low-class White woman going by "Shiloh Hendrix" called some gay pedo nigger a nigger on camera. Somehow, this became a matter of public debate in Jewnited States of America, because goyim are slaves and they're not allowed to call niggers niggers in Jewnited States. Many of the posters on that forum expressed their support for the dispossesed Shiloh, which caused the autistic meltdown I'm now showing to the good Anons on sleepychan.
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>>9972
>>9973
Where is this? if this is Fashfront.org, or really any other website, don't bring drama here unless the discussion is truly compelling, or has more to add besides the same old tired christnigger points that they, and this idiot in your photos, repeat ad nauseum.
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>>9978
He already said it's from the "Christ Is King" forum, which is a successor of the Roosh V (pickup artist e-celeb) forums. Anon is correct that both forums share many of the same personalities, which points to CIK being just another grift by degenerate money-grubbers. I think it's good as a case study, the overlap between hedonistic hook-up culture, political grifters and christian cultism is an interesting area of study. If nothing else, it makes for good propaganda.
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>>9980
Yeah, it seems like a subforum to me, but whatever.
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>>9981
All screencaps were made in a single thread, discussion of "Shiloh Hendrix" incident. Something about it made the pathetic BO of CIK lose his temper and erupt into a glorious meltdown of anti-White hatred.

The thread has since been purged, but not before some Anons archived it:

https://archive.ph/christisking.cc

The thread title is "Tatted Unmarried-Mother Raises $500,000+ By Saying N-Word (Jew Pys-op Confirmed)", if any want a fuller view of drama, feel welcome to peruse it and use it in our own prropaganda exposing the shitshkin "christians" who have the chutzpah to think they're equal to, or even better than Whites because they happen to halfheartedly follow the same religion.
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>>9986
But we don't follow the same religion.
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Three words: Book of Job. Discuss.
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>But we don't follow the same religion.

Majority of White population is still Christian, even if only nominally so for the last ~200 years. And certainly, whites and shitskins on CiK are of the same faith. This makes uppity niggers think they are equal to, or even surpass, their White co-religionists, meanwhile there is nothing in the actual content of Christianity that says that you should give your countries to savage niggers, shifty Indians and conniving Jews, and indeed, for most of the history the aforementioned types were shunned and persecuted. Of course, a question remains whether "real Christianity has ever been tried" and if what we're experiencing today is the actual true Christianity, while that of yesterday was an aberration where Aryan spirit dominated Semitic ideology inherent to the religion.

Going back to the more practical matters - curiously enough, aforementioned discussion of Traditionalism and the "orthobros" (of which RooshV is a part of, another name of the talking head they like to drop is Jay Dyer) are connected. One Seraphim Rose, erstwhile homosexual and a student of Rene Guenon, is a major influence in Orthodox Christian prozelythism in United States, perhaps even solely responsible for dragging Russian Orthodox Church Overseas from obscurity into daylight and creating a non-negligible population of "native" converts, and much maligned name of Alexander Dugin, avowed Traditionalist, had been floated in connection with some of the 'alt-right' personalities. Although Dugin is hard to take seriously, he is simply a crook and probably a KGB patsy - but a crook with enough money to get featured on Kevin MacDonald's "The Occidental Observer", or buy influence in Arktos Media. Pic related, for all his supposed traditionaism his gay youth movement could find no better symbol for their throng than eight-pointed star of Chaos from fiction of Moorcock and Warhammer.
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>>10010
>real Christianity has never been tried before
What? yes, it has.
>>10010
>Majority of White population is still Christian
Not in Western Europe. Easterns are still cucking while America has gone into the nigger version of Christianity. Mormon Christianity is as Christian as Islam is.
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Everyone complains about poojeets, but it's scary how many Brazilians and Mexicans are inserting themselves in the "based right" through Deus Vult LARPing. 
I see them on every channel and social media now.

https://youtu.be/DFvvpPavfzk?si=HISelT_HHIreL06y
Looking back I just realized that Sodom & Gomorrah were just some seething kike's revenge fantasy against a couple settlements that didn't offer him hospitality (read: caught on to his tricks and kicked him the fuck out). No idea what the deal is with the mob trying to gang-rape angels - why a mob would be gathering in the wee hours of the morning while everyone's sleeping goes unexplained - but it's probably some deranged sex fantasy. Pretty telling that Lot offered to throw his daughters to be gang-raped by the crowd to save his own skin, too.
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Has anyone else noticed that Christfags are no longer just being subversive and detractors of European culture, but they are also letting their Bible fever make them act like niggers with their "WE WUZ" bullshit?
I'm seeing more and more of them pushing the narrative that the Old Testament and all the Israelites and other tribes are actually Aryans and the real Jews were Angloids.

This channel, for example, is entirely based on finger-based and redpilled, but it's actually connecting ancient Europe with the Old Testament and Anglos as Israelites.

https://youtu.be/e0mjaVyhQdE?si=m0keIfZFItiOqnGO
>>10204
Have you only just heard about Christian Identity? Wait until you find out about the KKK.
>>10204
It's not just about Anglos, but Brits in general.
"I'm proud to be Celtic, btw, we Celts are one of the true Jewish tribes!"
https://youtu.be/lWfuW4mEiS8?si=AC9_tWD6Iv6_fl10
>>10206
Sage denied.
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>>10204
>have u heard of the tribe of Dan? DANmark!!! Vikangz! Wuz! Jewz!
>Scythianz! Wuz! Jewz!
>Yeah it's true that there is zero material evidence connecting the Germanic tribes to semitic Israelis, no Germanic name even resembles semitic names in the Bible, and the Germanic religion is Pagan... but Germanz! Wuz! Jewz! because...um... Ju-dia sounds like Ger-man! (ignore the fact that Germans don't call themselves German)
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>>10104
I agree, there's a lot of projecting there. It's really typically Jewish, like their stories they sell for entertainment where they cannot refrain from being the victims but they also have to portray the enemy as sick sexual freaks.

>>10204
What I spotted them doing was above all trying to compete with Muslims on the field of orthodoxy in light of some of their practices. It is very cringe inducing. The Deus Vult, the fasting, prayers in the streets, etc.
Evangelical currents coming from America are also pushing as hard as they can in Europe to spread the power of the Gospel, especially to the niggers.
>Anglos as Israelites
You know, this stuff went very far when some noble families really started digging deeply into finding whatever they could to relate themselves to the Levant. There was a time when it was just better to find oneself being related to Troy, but that has clearly changed.

>>10206
>>10217
>>10219
The irony of all of that Dan related theory is that the CI people may get it wrong because they do not consider that the true origin of the Dan root could predate the Levantine settlements and might go back as far as to the White people who entered the Middle East from the north. Their mistake in this case would be that they think the Middle East is the origin of it.
Many claims CI makes are rather accurate when it comes to picking up the White racial information left as bread crumbs in the Old Testament, but it's also been suggested if not agreed upon by some White Nationalists that these texts borrow from older ones or are an amalgamation of various sources and that at some point the proto-Jews grabbed them for themselves when realizing how vast they were in scope. It is undeniable that the conqueror spirit found in the Old Testament, all with a fierce storm god, that follows a clear patriarchy, couldn't be more detached from the feminine and schemy Jewish culture and spirit, which might explain why the Jews prefer to follow the Talmud than the Torah itself.
Then, whatever these sources were, it seems that all of them were scrubbed as long as the Old Testament was being constructed.
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>>10510
The Crusade to "reclaim" Jerusalem was the original "go die in the desert for Israel" ploy.
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ROME AGAINST JUDAEA; JUDAEA AGAINST ROME
https://hojaseliminadas.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/rome-judea.pdf
https://yewtu.be/watch?v=3CBxr1w5VEE
>Did Jesus Even Exist? | Richard Carrier
>1 h 09
This is a good complement to his book.
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It is always important to explain why the late-leftism of today is the logical conclusion of the dysgenic morality deeply encoded within the Bible.

The concept of the Original Sin is one of the most heinous ideas ever invented. Essentially, no matter what you do, you carry with you the sin since your birth. What a lovely scam! The sin carries on like a virus that self perpetuates through reproduction and the survival of the Gentile blood. Without even discussing the absolute quasi-legal absurdity of what conditions brought about said sin, the mere fact that a crime committed by some very distant ancestors (and god knows they are distant) will still be forever transmitted to the descendants so that any newborn will be held responsible is itself extremely vile, especially when the most cruel consequences and the ensuing damnation are taken into account.

Note that the Jews don't follow such a stupid self-depreciating rule. They obviously wouldn't be mad enough to inflict unto themselves such a twisted absurdity.

This perpetually inherited sin is not only a very clever trick used by Christian power to maintain a strong grip on the minds of entire populations, but it is found at the core of leftism. It combines admirably well with this lust for weakness, frailty and victimhood that is endemic to Christianity. Which without much surprise is also directly inherited from the neurotic Jewish culture, but made even worse by making wealth another sin which is a staple of communism while cunningly excised from Judaism.
Exceptionally, I will pick an example from that other social network to illustrate this.
/r/GGdiscussion/comments/1jd2cuy/found_this_quite_interesting/
The thread features a video of an ex-leftist bisexual woman who miraculously regained a modicum of self-esteem as she couldn't stomach anymore the constant toxic nature of the milieu that expected self-hatred from her, where she certainly felt that her Whiteness itself was a burden too heavy to carry and which always made her a second class member of a group that constantly required of her to recant for her innate racism, forever accused of carrying past crimes through her skin tone, through her blood, through her race. Hypocrisy? Didn't you know that leftists cannot be racists? That is because the oppressed, the weak and the meek cannot commit crimes as dramatic and hateful as those committed by their oppressors. On the scale of sin, they're at the very bottom of it, barely noticeable.
Here's a citation that is a correct summary of late-leftism's logic.
>It's been said for basically a decade now, the left is engaging in what's called a purity spiral. No matter what you do, it's never progressive enough, never diverse enough, never equitable enough, never enough LGBT representation, not enough minority representation, and so on and so on.
>So if you're a leftist (especially if you're not a preferred oppressed group) eventually the movement will either push you aside or demand you self-flagellate because they truly believe in inherited sin, you look like X so your ancestors must have done something to oppress someone at some point so for all of time you need to be treated like garbage for something you never participated in.
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>>10555
>Without even discussing the absolute quasi-legal absurdity of what conditions brought about said sin
Oh, but that's always a good point to discuss.
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>reddit link
>a mere decade of a psyop to convince children/zoomers to hate equality and sexuality is relevant to people's actual beliefs
Purtity spirals and political accelerationism and false flags taste about the same flavor of bullshit and both sides do it to "each other" and or do it 'to themselves'. Like, did those Jews really all be guilty of x? No, and you know this but act like an ass anyway just lkie the left act like you should be punished for being a 'cis white male', what when cis isn't a word nor are whites even really real as rac is a social construct. Have you seen lefts censor too much? Does thaat mean The Fish purity spiraled too, basically mirroring their behavior? Yes it does, and it's gay and a slippery slope. That's what happens when you choose a side, you slide on down and you end up looking like a fool due to excellerationism and false flags. We've got right wingers in charge a bit too much and suddenly Visa is blocking ur porn buying, not that I pesronallly buy things I can't touch, but complaining about it is like being a furry on discord, the 'banned' porn, and then on the other side you get left wing politicians/retards banning being straight supposedly. Its' just stupid psyops so you don't believe anything as you go from centristic left to centristic right and such a ridiculous society an it's psyops should be ignored rather than seen as evidence of the human condition. It's just faggot ass inflammatory ((( news ))) causing people to get rilled up for no logical reason when they have no real problems.  Did you know the first people to ban smoking weed were those evil Arabs in the middle ages? Why is this relevant? Because right wingers find this based yet you think you can get by as a right winger without your own system bios. Fascists were born Abrahamic worshipers with their values. You can't just say Abrahamic religion bad and shake hands with the Japanese, you have no culture now and will fail as a revolution, no accelerationism nor purity spiraling needed when you've gone batshit as any movement without a religion behind it basically has no culture to save to begin with, or were Hitler's men really trying to be pagan? I doubt this, it's just more propaganda to make Germans look evil to those fighting the Germans at hte time and that's the only reason christianity was a threat is that it was used again to serve the jews just like with that crusade nonesense that happened in the middle ages. But if the whites are christian and mind their own business that's basically your original right wing white guy, or Europoid rather, so if you do away with it you better replace it with something or you're dumb.  

But yes, indeed sin  = fun. Telling your society fun = bad is kinda hard without ((( religion ))). Pagans ate until they vomited and then they ate som more, they were not conservative right wing ball busters from a desert realm. Who knows what their bibles said though as now we just call what they beliveed in 'mythology' and that's as gay as saying christianity is mythology when religion is only in part myths. Where's the rest of it? No one gives a shit but if one wanted to act actually 'white' and not jewish enabling you'd go back to it. 
>>10206
The kkk were just libertarian police but people naturally try to pretend it's about something else, using the myth of racism as an excuse to do away with libertarian things just as they did with the civil war. 
>>10546
Of course Jesus existed he was a Roman psyop/agent made/sent to stop the jews from acting  militant and to try to turn them into left wing tier degenerates like the rest of Rome was. It didn't work so the Jews/christians won and conservative no fun allowed behavior has stayed with us all for so long now that nobody can even imagine what it used to be like. 
>>10104
Kikes were from a desert so much that they were afriad to wash their dicks so of course they found fucking up the ass horrific what with how germs = demons. The pagans were sanitary and actually bathed and washed things and has soaps so they could do gay shit without literally dying. It's why they had to cut the dick skin off, smegma was killing their jew-wives. That's what that's about. "we totally destroyed a city with sky fairy magic" is also what that story is and I'm sure they had many spooky versions of it before Rome fell. "You'll all be turned to magic whiite anti-demon/anti-germ powder/salt if you don't get faith goyim" they would have  said to their proto-christians in Rome. The whole town will burn  to the ground if there's not a single chrstians in this town, so to save their Roman towns they freaked the fuck out and spread the jewish storesi about how a whole town fucken died over not having faith in Ba'al. rather than Zeus or some faggotshit, now filtered through the telephone game. I can just imgine them saying "Ba'al won Ba'al won' before getting assraped by Yahweh/Vulcan worshippers, getting what they deserved for having their won hysteria come full circle. I bet the Pompeii event really triggred them all into thinking that the Volcano god Yahweh/Vulcan was super powerful. "Oh shit oh shit we have to worship fire FIRE ANGRY *burns people to death to sate said fire"


Not that I even care. I'm just waiting to go to werk because the government won't let me steal the land back from the greedy right wingers that hoarded all the farm land from the non-xtian Indians they stole it from.  RIP great grandfather, I wish I got a check just for being born like you did, you Indjian.
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>>10558
Fucking schizo post. Might someone wish to translate that shit?
The reason I post this here is because it really sounds typical of the Christian mindset. But it came from a "French" leftist jewess (what a surprise) who advocated for abortion.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1UvtWvNZCzc
A video analysis of Simone Weil's philosophy that lasts about sixteen minutes.
Five minutes in, here's the gist of her standpoint, slightly rephrased and expanded in scope: we are supposed to agree that if Africa is starving, we must feed Africa, because we are all related and have a duty towards any other human being.
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>>10576
Don't fucking link directly you moron. Either break the link up or use archive links.
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>>10576
>>10578
Use a proxy front end.
Look
https://yewtu.be/watch?v=1UvtWvNZCzc
Maybe Orlog might edit the post. Reporting the post to wake him up.
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>without the almighty Church we'd be niggers and sheeit
Christian apologetics are insufferable.
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>>10647
>Are we still going on with this bullshit about the dark ages?
Yes.
>Christian monks are the only reason we even had copies of ancient texts in the first place.
So what? Books that the Church kept to herself.
Pagans had many libraries and temples but all of this became outlawed by Christians.
For a lack of a better solution, some ex-pagans posed as Christians in order to preserve something of value within the enemy's institution.
Let's think about all the dirty secrets and stolen treasures lying in the vaults of the Vatican.
>The dark ages was caused by the decline in urban centers and central administration after the fall of Rome.
The fall of Rome was caused by the excessive immigration and the presence of Jews already noted in -200 before they got kicked out for the first time. They relentlessly wormed their way into Rome in the following centuries and once firmly ensconsed within the Eternal City, they did their typical business thing, out of jealousy for Rome's splendor and revenge for what Titus and Trajan did against Jerusalem's people. The fall of Rome was in a large part exacerbated by the influence of the rabble rousers and social pariahs who were numerous within the ranks of several of the Christian sects, all with their third world slaves and mystery meats.

>Shut up Joo.
<don't you dare criticize my universalist jewish sect!
>Without the Church we wouldn’t have had universities, classical music, etc…
AKA we'd all be niggers without Jizzus.
>the problem has never been the Church and always the Joos who infiltrated it
<the largest semitic cult with its semitic fantasy and semitic god that totally owes its existence to kikes has been subverted by kikes
I pity the Christian for he doesn't know how demented he sounds.
>>10711
Indeed, one's life is just a story of how to increase your chances to grab a golden ticket to Paradise.
Let's not forget the planet's destruction, the bizarre resurrection all at once of all the good people who lived thus far too. That said, Klassen made a very strong point that more than 99% of Christians would never meet the criteria for entering Papa Yav's night club, the 4skinner's.
Another offputting aspect of Abrahamism and Christianity in particular is the focus on needing external validation instead of cultivating inner strength. You're inherently sinful, evil and worthles, nothing you do has any value, nothing you accomplish has any merit because it was never your accomplishment in the first place. All comes from God, you're worthless without it, and even then, you're still worthless but he accepts you for some reason. Everything good comes from him after all, so there's no merit in being ethical and principled, you're merely doing his will. In the end there is no real virtue, except perhaps that of being a good unquestioning slave. Let us not forget that this original sin for which we must continually seek atonement until the end of our lives is the mere act of becoming self-willed, intelligent beings with the ability to discern right from wrong. Forgive my limited vocabulary, but that's how it comes across to me.
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>>10848
It is insane to think we have had to deal with that garbage for more than seventeen centuries when the basis of it is a story about how we goyim all inherit the guilt from a supposed heinous crime committed by a very distant ancestor we know nothing about. What a vicious violation of our moral codes!
This religion that postures as the most richly imbued with the highest of virtues is but the one that even surpasses Judaism in its morally depraved tenets, as if this spiritual weapon was cunningly devised to turn into an achievement of the heart and the mind what pagan communities all understood across the lands of Europe to be reprehensible and utterly wicked.
Everything that should not be done was then declared a necessary step on the roadmap to salvation, where it was precisely because people proved to be able to do the unthinkable that they were deemed superior to their animal selves, that they were capable of doing the unexpected as they elevated themselves towards God, yet without once ever becoming masters of their own destiny as they constantly depended on the shepherd's good will.
The cult of madness wanted the aspirants to go against their instincts, which should be understood as being limitations of the inferior terrestrial flesh, so that they would be worthy of a seat on Jesus' celestial bus to Heaven. Hate the world and wish for its destruction, reject your family in favor of the Savior's love, do not oppose evil and share some of that love with your enemy, don't even dare see a difference between nations, don't even judge anyone, and don't even think about being successful and wealthy because as we all know, rich people would have the hardest time threading the needle, doing more than implying that wealth is inherently sinful, like lust, and you had to get rid of it to avoid eternal damnation.
Which means that no Christian could ever be the recipient of any of said wealth, conveniently leaving no option but to dispose of it and let it be collected by the only people who were allowed to have it all while practicing usury. But these best allies were slated for an endless experience of torment so it wouldn't matter, would it? Let them have it because the divine treasures our pious followers would enjoy in the afterlife would surpass anything these rats could ever put their crooked hands on.
I’m not a christcuck, but why the “whites are the real jews” sounds bad?
I know it’s historically bullshit, and there is no evidence that links the Northern European tribes to the levant, but if it meant to increase racial awareness among our people, whom majority are Christians, then why not?
Jews in the Old Testament are supposed to be “God’s chosen people” and thus by saying white Europeans are the real jews it gives a sacred aura into our blood.
>>10882
You've answered your own question.
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>Translation: "For centuries the Church kept people ignorant of their essences: race, blood, and nationality. As recently as 1935, priests publicly declared on Catholic holidays in Germany that a Catholic German was closer to a Catholic Negro than to a non-Catholic German. It was therefore not an offense for the Catholic to engage in racial disgrace with a Catholic Negro or a baptized Jew. On the other hand, it should be "shameful" and "mixing" when a Catholic German married a non-Catholic German! For the Church, therefore, even Judaism is a purely theological matter."
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>>10882
It doesn't work because christians are thinly veiled jew influenced neoliberals and retarded tons of people like martin luther and ben klassen tried, the entire german government tried the entire russian ussr zog tried, the founders of the now shithole muttmerica tried to reform christcucks too under masonism, didn't work. Neither did it for the orthodox. Pick whatever demonimation of the jewish religion pun intended.

Christians are just slumbering zombies sleeping whatever hellish reality and problems they face away by consuming the stupid desert jew opium instead of believing in the civilized White man's might and will to bend the world into paradise. And instead they gave it all to jews for free because it doesn't get in the way of their addiction which is abrahamist desert jew worshipping opium.

They're the masochistic languishing do nothing people which have plagued our race and made us weak for the longest time on a planet where all the other races believe the fact of strength or weakness or might makes right and believe their stupid christian altriusm and charity is a weakness that makes their exploitation justified. 

Christianity as a religion must see a complete reform to the letter or banned and its relentless opium addicts must eventually be deported to enclaves where they cannot do their damage again like they did to society ever again. History proves christianity has been a colossal setback, detriment and now mortal failure.
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>>10882
>but why the “whites are the real jews” sounds bad?
>but if it meant to increase racial awareness among our people
This has never raised racial awareness amongst White people and you shouldn't need what belongs to your enemy to unify your people, it's retarded. As c1ac60 said, this has been tried and failed numerously. All it does and did was turn White people into mindless zionists who ended up doing the bidding of the Jew anyway. The British Israelites had something sympathetic to your argument, but we can clearly see that it failed and only ended up turning the British Empire into a Jewish enclave instead. You shouldn't need someone's else spirituality/religion to save your people anyway.
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>>10898
>Christianity as a religion must see a complete reform to the letter or banned
The latter, full stop, not a matter of discussion. As >>10899 said, it's been tried time and time again and every time it ended up playing into the hands of the jew. Besides, also like he said, it's a kike religion, why would we tolerate its existence? Did christians tolerate the existence of "pagan" faiths or did they ruthlessly hunt down their priests and tortured them to death and threatened all worshippers with the same fate if they didn't convert? 

See the vile glee they display when they gloat about their summary extermination of native European worshippers and how they sadistically exult in how they desecrated sacred places and expunged most records of those ancient faiths. See the hideous smugness with which they call you animal defiler, demon worshipper, how they gloat and cackle you're going to be tortured forever after you die because you don't worship the jewish god. See the bloodthirsty eagerness with which they wish death and suffering on their own racial brethren purely because they don't worship the dead kike on a stick in the exact same way, for no other reason than minute doctrinal differences. Try not to grind your teeth in disgust and anger when you hear them wail and moan in their victimhood because some kike church on the other side of the world got bombed to rubble and their worshippers hunted down and killed, the same genocidal cruelty they perpetrated against their own people for centuries with nary a shred of guilt but gruesome enjoyment and sadistic enthusiasm.

Fact is, we do not owe christcucks anything, repaying them in kind for the abhorrent destruction of European culture and history they perpetrated to prop up their semitic death cult is only fair. It is only fair that we pile up their kike books and set them alight in a big bonfire with their disgusting child-molesting priests on top. It's only fair we ransack their churches and smash their kike idols and melt down all the shiny bits to store the gold away. It's only fair we drag monks and nuns out onto the street and line them up for public execution, the same way they did with Native European priests and storytellers. About the only consideration that should be extended to christcucks, and only the laymen, is to forcibly convert them to proper European faiths at gunpoint, under the threat of summary execution if they're caught worshipping kike idols again. No more second chances.
>>10899
>You shouldn't need someone's else spirituality/religion to save your people anyway.
Indeed. The thing is we do not have an alternative to Christianity to begin with. We mourn for our lost pagan heritage and yet I haven’t seen any effort to bring back any rituals or prayers related to European paganism, nor we have created a religious narrative to make our cause a holy cause. The thing is many anons forget is that normeis leans towards metaphysics than rationality, because metaphysical explanations gives relief to cope with the harsh truth of this world, so when you explain to some random guy why the white race is superior using scientific evidence and academic researches he wouldn’t give a shit about it because blood and race (according to his nihilistic mind) is a materialistic thing that will be vanished someday, but when say to him that the whites are superior because god said so, he would be into that shit, because when God (the most superior entity in the existence) says something it’s most be true. The jews literally preceded everyone on the importance of race, but they used religious symbols to make it easy for the normie to comprehend it
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Thoughts on Sri Dharma Pravartaka Acharya and Sanatana Dharma in General? Are any of his works worth reading and does his organization have potential or is it Larp? 
Though they have some metaphysical sound points lots of the more exoteric stuff is problematic, e.g. the question of race and vegetarianism.
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As usual, mutts and "Discord Deus Vult larpers" seething in the comments.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=R7m_dUiRCRc
The crusade to "Reclaim Jerusalem" was the original "go die in the sandbox for your jew masters stupid goy"
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Can wikipedia edit wars get more pathetic?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Celtic_deities
Females are named before males. As this definitely stank of an obvious femini-cuck's desire to challenge the divine patriarchy, I went looking when this swapping happened.
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Celtic_deities&action=history&offset=&limit=500
Found the oppressed faggot. xhey go by the name of Noah404.
>23:29, 31 October 2022 Noah404
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An example of the stew this user is stirring. This piece of shit has been on a mission to inject zhoyr feminist agenda in many pagan related pages and nobody objected to it or reverted the petty changes.
In picrel there are two pages which get mentioned.
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Aslaug&diff=1119346962&oldid=1119346833
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Old_Norse_religion&diff=1119347504&oldid=1117962659
This fucker also brought an editing to a page on pronouns.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_neutrality_in_languages_with_gendered_third-person_pronouns
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And went as far as to reword a direct quotation from the Kybalion to destroy the evil grammatical patriarchy there too.
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Kybalion&diff=1032846444&oldid=1025170126
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>>10990
Filter based on race, both regarding the teacher and the teachings. We're past the age of sharing a religion with non-Whites. That said there often are valuable insights to gain from other ancient spiritualities, sadly because ours have been relentlessly attacked and also because many other ones have been influenced by Aryans, which brownoids have a hard time dealing with. Here's an example from twatter.
https://x.com/agentofagartha1/status/1968152575313953145
>>11010
>Kybalion
Who cares about the Kybalion? It  was written by Paul Foster Case, Elias Gewurz, and W. W. Atkinson in the 1900s. Don't tell me you fell for the it is ancient knowledge bit.
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>>10903
>The thing is we do not have an alternative to Christianity to begin with. We mourn for our lost pagan heritage and yet I haven’t seen any effort to bring back any rituals or prayers related to European paganism, nor we have created a religious narrative to make our cause a holy cause. 
See >>9422

>>9954
>Unless you're from an Orthodox country, where Greek names are usually more common than Hebrew ones, your family is full of people with Hebrew names such as John, Matthew, Mark/Marco, David, Simon, Jacob...
But the ancient Hebrew is quite different from the modern language Jews use today. The alphabet for one, has both Greek and Hebrew closely tied; which, huh, makes the no "difference between Greeks and Hebrews Jews" rather ironic and likely a subversive attempt back then to exploit this historical fact. The Greek alphabet being one of the oldest regarding this group of closely related alphabets.
>>11012
It's not the Kybalion that matters here, anon, but the edits brought by this feminist faggot to other pagan related articles. The creature's been on a laughable grammatical crusade.
>>10903
They don't really tend to real metaphysics or spirituality, at best they end up with ideas in which the spiritual is confused with a more subtle materialism, but that is. Normalniggers have no spirit. They are onthologically different from aryans.
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>>11128
Perhaps once we exterminate the lower races we should start a culling of normalfags. Not a violent purge, more like a gradual winnowing. Considering all the toil, the sacrifice, the sheer unfathomable amount of our blood we'll have to spill in the process of defeating ((( the enemy ))) once and for all, the thought of such worthless creatures as normalfags inheriting the new and better world without having done anything to earn it turns my stomach. The world should be populated with higher-souled people that would appreciate its value and beauty, not soulless normalniggers who are only a couple steps above beasts.
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It's always so hilariously mind boggling to me that some people would still be obsessed about some small brown jewish pussy in the desert getting crucified by people that had clean water plumbing, superstructure architecture and medicine while just about conquering over half the planet worth civilizing. 

As if the death of 1 jewish man being annoying constantly kvetching and babbling nonsense wearing a loin cloth is worth more than even a fraction of those 3 things. Muh ancient george floyd.

Call me insensitive or crude but that just never stops being funny and actually it's a bit sad.
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>>11131
>Muh ancient george floyd.
You joke but that really is the truth of it.

>unwashed dreg of society
>died executed like a common criminal as was the custom then
>infinitely more famous and important in death than he ever was in life
He really was the original George Floyd.
The romans were masters of civilization, technology and science that we still emulate today while rebbe Yeshua(anglicized from hebrew: Jesus) was running around in the desert doing magic tricks with blind people and CURSING Nature's fig trees because they dared not produce fruit in the season that he wanted because "a jewnigga was hungy n sheeit" ... Instead of doing sensible things like raising an army to maybe not get executed by angry kikes who sadly all survived after Hadrian took over their faggot clay. The most important man in the world right there. Oy vey you better worship that guy and ya betta organize our sophisticated societies around an actual retard with a book full of bullshit written only after the man died goys, because that's totally legit right there. Remembuh da shoah.

I can't confirm this but I speculate that the christian cancer was invented intentionally as an ancient proto communist weapon of revenge against the "ebull goim" after Titus almost wiped them out in order to make the world's best people docile retards to artifically  bridge the ideological gap between paganism and judaism just to make the parasite more comfy. It's really just a slightly more well done and refined george floyd agitation propaganda movement that only spawns out of dying and decaying societies. 

I still don't get how and why Titus didn't just fucking destroy them all, they were doing the same abominable activities they are now like loan sharking, slavery, pederasty, and cannibalizing Roman soldiers. Endless degeneracy. How Hitler didn't know or realize this is also beyond me, perhaps it was only due more limited access to information. Hadrian and Titus essentially put them in a camp more or less, that clearly didn't work out.

No wonder christcuckery only spread from social decay and violence, it was it's origin. You simply cannot get rational and intelligent people to believe in this. The only exception for certain intelligent people is that they use it as spiritual opium for coping mechanism, they don't truly believe that shit anyway but they still need to on some level because it's addictive opium. There needs to be a real alternative for them.
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>>11130
But once it's populated by that elite, what next?

>>11131
Because muh soul > big buildings and aqueducts
While the truth is this:
My race > everything else
Because if you already understand this then you do not have to worry about the quality of your soul.

>>11133
I wonder what kept Titus and Hadrian from completing the job and dekiking the world for good.
The original Christians were just a gang of nomadic bandits and thieves, which is why they were in the fringes of society. Herod was already mentioned, for one. Read between the lines, every historical figure marked as an enemy of Christendom is a guy who cracked down on the kikes and their verminous criminal ways. Judas got scared because they were getting too much attention from the law (the accusation of planning a coup might've been true, for all we know) so he tried to cut a deal with the authorities and he got killed by his fellow kikes for snitching. Read between the lines when you go through the Bible passages detailing his death. He hanged himself? He fell on his face and his body dismembered itself? Doesn't it sound oddly familiar to those people who were investigating ZOG's doings and "killed themselves with two bullets to the back of the head"? The reason for "muh persecution" isn't that the Romans just hated Jewsus and his merry buddies for no reason, they were getting their just desserts for being thuggish pieces of shit.

There's also the bit with Simon the Magician, who "dies on the spot" after... refusing to pay Christians their due. Why would what amounts to a mob execution over unpaid protection money be in a book that supposedly champions generosity, ascetism and spirituality over materialism? And remember, this is Acts, in the New Testament that Christians swear up and down is totally disconnected from the explicitly Jewish Old Testament. The more you read, the more incongruences you find.
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>>11140
To Christians:
Every Ruler is Nero.
Every land is Egypt or a Babylonian Exile.
(Even their own homeland is an Egyptian bondage to them).
The spirit of Christianity is to perpetually kvetch like the Jews of the Old Testament.
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christfags kvetch at these comics.
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Julian the Apostate's reaction is pretty close to how people feel today.
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Just finished watching this PragerU tier video.
Conservative Christians complain all the time about people taking Bible verses for a progressive agenda, but they are so preachy nevertheless that it is kind of true what the progressives are saying. 
>So Jesus called them together and said, “You know that those regarded as rulers of the Gentiles lord it over them, and their superiors exercise authority over them. But it shall not be this way among you. Instead, whoever wants to become great among you must be your servant, and whoever wants to be first must be the slave of all. For even the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His life as a ransom for many.”
Mark 10:42-45
What is the difference between pharisees, sadducees and zealots?
>>11189
I like them a lot, there's the whole comics somewhere. But I read that the author isn't even white. Is that true?
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>>11199
Author's one Tatsuya Ishida, some jap who graduated from UCLA and had a male feminist lolcow phase.
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>>11202
That is truly nuts and really puts things into perspective. If you would entertain the following idea, perhaps some strange case of a White soul in a non-White body. Evola would love that but I'm not exactly amused, but I'd like to talk to him if I could.
Nevertheless this doesn't feel normal at all. There is way too much disorder on this world, on so many levels, from the most material to the most spiritual. This entire planet is begging for a true new world order, nothing that these rabbis and shabbo goyim are LARPing about.
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>>11204
On second thought, he was a bit of a lolcow even before he went full man-hating male feminist. He started his webcomic Sinfest sometime in the early aughts and it was a run-of-the-mill goofy stoner comic in newspaper strip format (it was the trend with early webcomics). He was mostly notorious for being really thin-skinned about parodies of his work. Then somewhere in the 10s he became a rabid man-hating feminist which was reflected in his comic adopting a radfem bent. Word on the street is he got a girlfriend who either brainwashed or pussy-whipped him. If the rumor is true then his latest turn to anti-Christian paganism and anti-leftist tracts is a result of a break-up. Keep in mind most of the stuff past his early years is conjecture and hearsay, the guy is reclusive to a fault and to my knowledge he's never given interviews.
>>11199
He is honorary aryan.
Japan is a pagan land free from Abrahamic religion.
South Korea sadly is converting rapidly to Christianity. 30% of Koreans are Christian.
>>11204
>perhaps some strange case of a White soul in a non-White body.
This has always been a question in my mind. Is it possible for the spirit of a white man to reincarnate into non-white body and the otherwise too? From my metaphysical perspective, I think souls are not restricted to the material world’s rules but I’m not certain about it.
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>>11209
>Reincarnation
WTF are you smoking? 😂
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>>11234
The recent influx of mishima brownoids has been a disaster for the White race.
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Every land is Egypt or the Babylonian Captivity pulling Christians from the abode of the Church into the Nation/Secular Politics & behind every corner is Nero, Nebuchadnezzar, Pharaoh.
The more true a Christian, the more they feel spiritually like the Hebrew slaves in Egypt in their own Homeland.
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They gloat about Cathedrals and focus only on Cathedrals.
No other building gets attention.
Why?
This isn't just about the beauty of Cathedrals, but an ideological statement.
Because the rest of the City means naught, they don't care or value civic life.
The epitome of their Anti-Politics is that Christians regard their homes and every other building with contempt:
Their true home is the Church, not any Nation or City, which is Egypt.
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The response of Civil Rulers will be like the Pharaoh's:
I will not let your people go.
The Nation/Political Body is Egypt, & the Church being the New Jerusalem: Civil Rulers will not let your people go.
The Civil Rulers would be justified: Christianity makes the citizen like an enslaved Jew in his own homeland, regarding his homeland as Egyptian bondage and the Church the promised land. Has convinced them they don't belong in their Nation, but on the fringes like how Jews look out as a rootless people and look at the rest of gentile society with contempt. In that way, Christians are spiritual Jews lost in their own native homelands and looking for a new nation of the Church: New Jerusalem.
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>>11251
One's brain on Old Testament.
>>11251
Didn't YHWH literally mind control the Pharaoh so he couldn't say no, just to prolong the torture of the Pharaoh himself and the Egyptian people at large? All-loving compassionate god btw.
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>>11289
*just so he couldn't say yes and release the Israelites
Here's another one: What the fuck was the Serpent/Satan (there's so much inconsistency on the point of his identity it's not even funny) doing in the Garden of Eden? Why would God allow evil in his perfect little garden? And why would he ever expect a pair of beings who had no concept of death, good or evil to obey his order not to eat from the tree of Knowledge? If they were entirely innocent then they wouldn't know it would be a bad thing to eat from that tree, let alone that God would be angry about it. Come to think of it, why put that tree there in the first place, if he knew Adam and Eve were innocent and ignorant and wouldn't grasp it'd be a bad thing to eat from it? If he had perfect knowledge, why make temptation so easy? Why curse them for something they had no moral agency over? The list of questions goes on and on.
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>>11251
Speaking of Jewish myths, I noticed that a lot of pro-White fiction is structured around the Moses story. Jews are the Pharaohs. Non-Whites are the Pharaohs armies. Whites are the enslaved Israelites. And the protagonist is basically just Moses with firearms, bombs, and WMDs. Parting the Red Sea was nuking a ZOG army. Kind of weird how a lot of stories, including pro-White literature, copy that kike story.
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>>11303
It is totally stupid and self-contradictory but the basic idea being that a high sky daddy said no and you should not even think or try to, you just obey. You don't have to know why, you must only obey. It doesn't matter if the sky is blue or if there are five fingers on one hand, as long as high sky daddy gives an order, you obey. Of course what is fine in a modern army of cannon fodder is much less when it comes to the philosophical and ontological concepts of what it is to be human and alive. Without being able to pass a judgement on anything – and you will notice how Christians are high on the 'ye shall not judge' – then you cannot decide if something should be done or avoided.
Technically the first humans were infantile golems and the snake "hacked" their code in such a way that Yahweh never managed to reverse it, explaining the stupendous rage every time humans would do things that displeased that god, who instead of snapping his fingers, would rather snap mentally and exterminate them all while also going on with a convoluted plan to save a few and implying that the whole of mankind can sometimes just go so wrong that nothing save a single family is worth sparing. It's really a self defeating story wherein we keep failing that god are remain at this mercy with no possiblity to save ourselves without a literal and direct divine intervention, establishing the core premise that mankind is fundamentally terrible and cannot do anything good without the direct intervention of appointed saviors and guides. Which is not totally wrong either by the way – as per hte principle of Providence, without Hitler, Germany and Whites at large had no workable solution and the only choice was to accept Hitler or reject him – but the way the message is delivered is why it is sometimes disagreeable because it really conveys a representation of the human condition where there is not real fundamental choice about a solution within us. The solution is always from the outside. And to echo this, the last time Yahweh was about to run another one of this genocides, he had his son (well, sort of himself) sacrificed. Essentially to vent because he needed a scapegoat. No other major religion ever carried such a retarded and subversive story. It's big on killing sons to prove our devotion.
Of course you will find in those profuse texts many ideas that do make sense, especially in the older testament, even if they are rather radical options. But overall it's hard to shake off that a cunning Yahweh poses as the legitimate lord of light but comes off a bit as an impostor, that because the whole story is really awkward to begin with.
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>>11318
Please provide some examples because it's confusing right now.
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>>11338
Point is, YHWH specifically told Adam and Eve that eating from that tree would make them mortal and bring them misery. But because they were, as you put it, infantile golems (I'm totally stealing this phrase by the way) such a warning would've bounced right off their heads because it wouldn't mean anything to a couple of beings with no concept of evil or death. It's like leaving your toddler son alone all day and somehow being surprised when you arrive home and he's dead because he drank the bleach under the sink. Yet he gets angry at the mindless golems and casts the blame for the entire debacle on them as if they were complete moral agents with the ability to reason and understand blame and consequences, which, again, they weren't until after they ate the forbidden fruit. 

It's all even dumber because the solution was so simple. How could an omnipotent, omnipresent god not foresee a complication after thinking for five seconds and erect a fence around the tree? Or, you know, not call attention to the one specific tree they couldn't eat from without losing their status as G_d's mindless pets. 

>well it's a METAPHOR don't take it literally
And yet Christians are constantly gloating that filthy (White) pagans are going to burn in hell  for all eternity(and make memes about it) in those specific terms, only to turn on a dime and say it's just a metaphor for "being separated from G-D forever" when you confront them about it. Either they're bearing false witness (a sin according to them, remember) or they're wishing for harm upon someone and reveling in their agony (which is also a sin according to them). But of course, it doesn't count if it's them doing it.
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>>11339
Earl Turner from The Turner Diaries is on example. He leads Whites to an aryan promised land, and like Moses, he dies because Earl was too holy to walk among the ordinary men he saved. Then again, kikes being the derivative hacks they are could have stolen that story from another culture and changed the names and events to fit their narrative
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>>11342
The parallel is very flimsy, though, your criteria is too broad to be meaningful. Earl Turner wasn't a leader of his people except the groups under his command. It was an explicit point of the novel that his perspective was prized as a rank and file man's testimony of the conflict.
>>11340
I stole this and edited it:

God admits straight-up that He created both good and evil

Isaiah 45:7

"I form the light and create darkness, I make peace and create evil."

It even says that He will "Harden the heart" of a person, like the Pharaoh of Egypt for instance, meaning He puts an individual, with "FREE WILL", into an altered state of mind in order to ensure that that person persists in a certain course of action because that "serves" His plan in some way.
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If I was given free will, I would be having space orgies for ever with my waifus and no evil would exist. 

Simple as.
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>>11351
>waifus
Sad. Stop playing pretend and go make babies.
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>>11350
The evil jewish desert demon is an extremely dangerous entity for White people to worship.
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>>11353
>demon
That little word again. It's amazing how most people don't know what it actually means.
>>11352
What's your relationship status?
>>11352
Just as we will bring about the pure ubermensch and traverse the stars after we purge degeneracy and evil, we will also bring about the purest form of the feminine, the waifus.
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>>11356
You need to be at least 18 years old to post here.
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I hope more people around the Anti-Abrahamism General catch onto this.
What Adam Green is pointing out here in their dismissal of the legitimate concerns of race is the same way High Church ultra-clericalism became rabidly Anti-Politics:
Political ideals & integrity = Temporalism
Church = Eternalism
It wasn't always like this. Rousseau was right that pagan antiquity respected, no -- highly esteemed the integrity of a people -- before religion became a force of anti-politics and condemned it.
Christian ultra-clericalism (starting from Catholicism) has left a bad influence on traditionalism in general: it has juxtaposed religion against the good and well being, overall integrity of a people, telling them to choose Church OR Country.
The ideal and perfection of a city was never juxtaposed to the city itself: it was not that the ideal city (the new jerusalem) should be the city to -destroy- all cities and all political order and be the ruin of all communities and destroy their unity by dividing a household and dividing a city against itself -- until The Church gradually from Nero's & Diocletian's persecutions, and the competition with various powers and entities, built upon itself as alien and juxtaposed to society as a whole: always looking out from the pews with contempt at civil society.
That is what this 2nd pic represents: the forsaking of political integrity and ideals and their destruction for the benefit of one community (the clerical community) against the lay people and the ultimate destruction of civic virtue for the ideal of a new jerusalem (the cathedral). It is the ultimate principle of partiality against the common good of a state, to take one community and not only divorce and make people alien to their own people and fatherland, but to proactively burn and oppose it.

"So that you may be the readier to defend the Constitution, know this: for all who have preserved their fatherland, furthered it, enriched it, there is in heaven a sure and allotted abode, where they may enjoy an immortality of happiness." -Cicero

"For nothing happens in the world more pleasing to that supreme Deity, who governs all the universe, than those gatherings and unions of men allied by common laws, which are called states. From this place do their rulers and guardians set out, and to this place do they return." -Cicero
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A perfect example of this partiality of High Church against the integrity of the political community is mass importation of Catholic Mexicans for the benefit of the Church. It is no different than the partiality of the Democrat Party (supporting mass immigration to get more voters) against the good of the whole / common good.
In Christianity, the New Jerusalem is the City to destroy all cities.
Whereas the ideal for political city shouldn't be its destruction, but its integrity.
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Smash the nations like pottery with a rod of iron for new jewrusalem's sake.
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Keep in mind while other Christians might deny the Zionism of American Evangelicals... everything they say about ISRAEL applies to these regular Christians if you swap out ISRAEL with 'The Church'.
They are New Jerusalem first and spiritual jews.
>>11373
>2nd pic
I never understood why Christians think bleating WE WUZ DA REEL JOOZ and engaging in pilpul over "jews weren't called jews back then therefore they weren't jews therefore we're da reel jooz and chosen ones" is any kind of valid argument (or "gotcha" as zoomers call it), or that it makes them look good. Do they just not think about the shit they're saying?
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Duginism is another example of the lurid Anti-Politics of Ultra-Clericalism (which seeks to dash apart political integrity and civic virtue like pottery in Psalm 2).
He spites the West as Atlantis, & it is not just that Dugin hates the West but hates the West out of Anti-Politics (and dubbing it Atlantis, while trying to spell a moral caricature, is cloaked Ultra-Clerical contempt for the City). The Cathedral (which represents New Jerusalem) wants to bring the West to the altar and slaughter it. The Cathedral is a building that stands in contempt of all other buildings. New Jerusalem is a city that stands in contempt of all other cities. New Jerusalem wants Western heritage and blood spilled on its altar and the heritage of the West done away with -- the so-called Atlantis -- so that the Anti-City -- the New Jersusalem -- can live and so Westerners don't identify with their own heritage and their own culture and their own way of life, but so that Westerners merge the cosmopolitian Anti-City / Anti-Politics of New Jerusalem.
Traditionalist contempt to the West is Ultra-Clericalism ad absurdium -- demanding the destruction of all political life, integrity, civic virtue so all the world can be New Jerusalem, and until all people see themselves not as their own descendants and unique culture -- but so they can be like the Jews in Egypt, a bastard people in their own homeland, so New Jersusalem may sap out civic virtue in its great mission to destroy the common good and raise the Cathedral in partiality. 
Atlantis isn't in this example only a representation of the West's decadence -- rather it is the jealousy of New Jerusalem (The Church) toward political life, which seeks to sap people of their unique history and heritage until they all are sapped by the Anti-City, the New Jerusalem, to be spiritual jews and only look to the heritage of that people, the Jews, as the tree to be grafted onto. Just as the God of the Old Testament wanted to destroy all the other gods, New Jerusalem is the City that wants to destroy every other people's heritage and culture until New Jerusalem stands, until the Cathedral has laid to waste all the lay people's houses and their heritage, and denied them civic virtue.
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Extracts from anonymous Italian fascist tract:
>Priests can not forget that within them, underneath their cassock, there is the heart of a citizen... The clergy is made up of men who are necessarily linked to their people and their land.
>For an ecclesiastic, to forget his Fatherland is to renounce the essential part of his human personality.
>If this were not enough, the clergy should at least remember that it has always been a function of order and pacification. Now many of its members seem to perform the opposite function: they are -- consciously or not -- advocates of anarchy, of disorder, of opposition to laws, of crime.
(This anonymous tract represents Fascism grappling with the Anti-Politics of Ultra-Clericalism).
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>>11374
Many Christians find evangelicals repulsive as well....
They would say it is unfair to compare the rest of Christianity to zionist evangelicals.
But if you took the guy in this video talking about ISRAEL and spilling contempt over all the other goy nations and America and replaced "Israel" with "The Church" -- it would come to the same effect of being spiritual zionists spilling contempt over all the nations and America.
They hate evangelical zionists because they really are a naked expression of what they really are spiritually (just replace "Israel" with "The Church).
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>>11289
An answer to that depends on theology, but most Catholics, Orthodox and Lutherans would say no, Pharaoh's decisions were entirely his own, just like Moses' decision to murder a "fellow Egyptian" a flee justice. What the Jews say about it I don't know and I don't want to know, jewish thoughts don't matter.
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>>11392
But the text literally says "God hardened the Pharaoh's heart". It's not open to interpretation, the text is very explicit about the Pharaoh being mind-controlled.
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There's that shitty line in the Bibelbeluble that reads
>you jews are the sons of satan the liar and murderer but you jews you are not even the real jews
This screws with Christian minds because it would seem that the people they condemn as being the sons of Satan whom they also call jews are in fact impostors, meaning that there are real and true jews who are nice and so on.
I need to find the real verse.
It's not John 8:44 but it's funny still. The chapter contains one big lump of pilpul too.
>Jesus answered, “Even if I testify on my own behalf, my testimony is valid, for I know where I came from and where I am going. But you have no idea where I come from or where I am going. You judge by human standards; I pass judgment on no one. But if I do judge, my decisions are true, because I am not alone. I stand with the Father, who sent me. In your own Law it is written that the testimony of two witnesses is true. I am one who testifies for myself; my other witness is the Father, who sent me.”
You're not supposed to be your own witness, midwit, that's not how it works. You must have independent witnesses other than you.
>Aw b-but I'm special and my made up daddy-god counts too and agrees with me so stfu
And the guy is so full of himself that he says something like
>“I am going away, and you will look for me, and you will die in your sin. Where I go, you cannot come.”
Then the jews are like
>“Will he kill himself? Is that why he says, ‘Where I go, you cannot come’?”
lol
The real kicker is in Revelation 3:9 (and 2:9 to some extent):
>Behold, I will make those of the synagogue of Satan who say that they are Jews and are not, but lie—behold, I will make them come and bow down before your feet, and they will learn that I have loved you. 
>implying real jews cannot lie
And there you go, two thousand years later with theologians still twisting their neural pathways into finding ever more efficient ways to felate muh good kikes.
>>11378
>we're the true based trad ones, we're trying to save roman catholicism
ad nauseam . . . . . . . . . . .
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>>11379
I understand and agree with some of your points. However, the primary reason Evangelicals face such criticism stems from certain Christcucks groups holding differing interpretations of the Bible and supporting revisions or adaptations within it. You're referring more to religiously anti-Jewish Christcucks, though I doubt they truly despise Evangelicals because of their love for the Jews; it's more likely due to Evangelicals' reluctance to force Jewish assimilation into European culture and identity and with the usual christcuck faggotry when you don't worship Yeshua with their own interpreted doctrines of what upholds the New Testaments effectively and truly.
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FWIW
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@fash, what is the intelligent and illuminated explanation of animistic faith and paganism and the existence of multiple and conflicting gods and should we consider it better than monotheism?
>>11395
"Hardening one's heart" is not the same as being mind-controlled. You're still held responsible for decisions you've made under influence even if your reasoning capacity is altered.
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>>11438
Christcuck cope. If I put a chip in your brain that hijacks your motor functions while leaving you aware of what's happening and made you slaughter a nursery while you sit in your own head watching powerlessly and unable to stop, I'd still be responsible for the acts I force you to perform.
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>>11439
It's not how the Providence works, though.
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>>11440
It's how basic, elementary logic works.
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More Catholic content opposed to Hitler for this thread to study (to show this thread how Catholics really think of Hitler).

GK Chesterton's The Judaism of Hitler
>Hitlerism is almost entirely of Jewish origin.

>This truth, if inscribed in the noble old German lettering on a large banner and lifted in sight of an excited mob in a modern German town, might or might not have the sooth effect which I desire. This simple historical explanation, if written on a post-card or a telegraph-form, and addressed to Herr Hitler's private address, might or might not cause him to pause in his political career, and reconsider all human history in the light of the blazing illumination, with which I have furnished him in these words.

>But what i frankly and flatly deny, in history as a whole, is that any Nordic Men ever brought anything in the way of an idea into the world. The Germans came in due  course to describe their piracy as imperialism; but they borrowed the idea of imperialism from the Romans. They produced a sort of Prussianism that was praised or blamed as militarism; but they borrowed the idea of militarism from the French. The German Emperors modelled themselves on the Greek Emperors and the Roman Emperors. The greatest of the Prussians did not even conceal his contempt for Prussia. He refused to talk anything but French, or to exchange ideas with anybody except somebody of the type of Voltaire. Then came the liberal ideas of the French Revolution, and the whole movement of German unity was originally a liberal movement on the lines of the French Revolution. Then came the more modern and much more mortally dangerous idea of Race; which the Germans borrowed from a French man named Gobineau. And on top of that idea of Race, came the grand, imperial and insane idea of a Chosen Race, of a sacred seed that is, as the Kaiser said, the salt of the earth; of a people that is God's favourite and guided by him, in a sense in which he does not guide other and lesser peoples. And if anybody asks where anybody got that idea, there is only one possible or conceivable answer. He got it from the Jews.

>The Germans will find it very hard to cut up their culture on a principle of Anti-Semite amputation. They will find it difficult to persuade any German, let alone any European who is fond of Germany, that Schiller is a poet and Heine is not; that Gothe is a critic and Lessing is not; that Beethoven is a composer and Mendelssohn is not; that Bach is a musician and Brahms is not. But again, it is but just to Hitlerism to say that the Jews infect Germany with a good many things less hamless than the lyrics of Heine or the melodies of Mendelssohn.

>But among the thousand and one ways in which Semitism affected Germanism is in this mystical idea, which came through Protestantism. Here the Nordic Men, who are never thinkers, were entirely at the mercy of the Jews, who are always thinkers. When the Reformation had rent away the more Nordic sort of German from the old idea of human fellowship in a Faith open to all, they obviously needed some other idea that would at least look equally large and towering and transcendental. They began to get it through the passionate devotion of historical Protestants to the Old Testament. That, of course, is where the joke comes in; that the Protestants now wish to select for destruction what nobody else except the Protestants had ever wanted to  had ever wanted to select and set apart for idolatry. But that is a later stage of the story. By concentrating on the ancient story of the Covenant with Israel, and losing the counter-weight of the idea of the universal Church of Christendom, they grew more and more into the mood of seeing their religion as a mystical religion of Race.

>But it is true that it all began with the power of the Jews: which has now ended with the persecution  of the Jews. People like the Hitlerites never had any ideas of their own; they got this idea indirectly through the Protestants, that is primarily through the Prussians; but they got it originally from the Jews. In the Jews it has even a certain tragic grandeur; as men separated and sealed and waiting for a unique destiny. But until we have utterly destroyed it among Christians, we shall never restore Christendom.

JRR Tolkien
>Thank you for your letter. I regret that I am not clear as to what you intend by arisch. I am not of Aryan extraction: that is Indo-Iranian; as far as I am aware none of my ancestors spoke Hindustani, Persian, Gypsy, or any related dialects. But if I am to understand that you are enquiring whether I am of Jewish origin, I can only reply that I regret that I appear to have no ancestors of that gifted people. My great-great-grandfather came to England in the eighteenth century from Germany: the main part of my descent is therefore purely English, and I am an English subject—which should be sufficient. I have been accustomed, nonetheless, to regard my German name with pride, and continued to do so throughout the period of the late regrettable war, in which I served in the English army. I cannot, however, forbear to comment that if impertinent and irrelevant inquiries of this sort are to become the rule in matters of literature, then the time is not far distant when a German name will no longer be a source of pride

>I do not regard the (probable) absence of all Jewish blood as necessarily honourable; and I have many Jewish friends, and should regret giving any colour to the notion that I subscribed to the wholly pernicious and unscientific race-doctrine.

>I have in this war a burning private grudge against that ruddy little ignoramus Adolf Hitler. Ruining, perverting, misapplying, and making for ever accursed, that noble northern spirit, a supreme contribution to Europe, which I have ever loved, and tried to present in its true light.

There is a reason why mainstream media is okay with the publication and popularity of The Lord of the Rings -- first, because Jews see an ally in Tolkien and 2ndly it mostly just leads to very lukewarm conservative views which ultimately means Christianity.

>>11410
More like Fascists are desperately trying to compromise with Catholicism as their country gets fucked over. 
Truth is, like that tract says, they became advocates of anarchy, of disorder, of opposition to laws, of crime.
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>"A State may be strong when it serves a greater destiny when it feels itself to be the instrument of a great destiny for a people. Otherwise, the State is tyrannical."

>“Spain cannot be defined by having its own language, or by being a race, or by being a set of traditions, on the contrary, Spain is defined by an imperial vocation to unite languages, unite races, unite peoples and unite customs in a world destiny; Spain is much more than a race and much more than a language, because it is something that is expressed in this way, from which I become more and more sure that this is the unity of destiny throughout the world."

>“All humans are brothers, white and black, all because many centuries ago, in another distant land, one martyr shed his blood and sacrificed himself so that this blood would establish love and brotherhood among people on Earth.”
— José Antonio Primo de Riverа

This is a great Catholic sentiment, but not very Fascist.
>"That is a grave problem, since the transcendent conception that rules over the Catholic Church contradicts the immanentist character of the political conception of Fascism."
- Giovanni Gentile

Fascism is totalitarian, statist & nationalistic, because of its immanentism; it values life in the here and now & Fascism values the State/Nation/Race & Language (these aren't mere pawns in the game of the High Church & Fascism isn't apathetic to the political like Spiritual Sword > Political or Church sword > political sword).

>>11415
It needs to be addressed because anti-Jewish Christcucks will maintain that they are not only the real Jews, but there was never a Judaism to begin with. Just Christianity, then Judaism came as a rejection of Christianity. 
That and they'll say all the Jewy symptoms are a result of American Evangelicals only or mainline Protestantism. 

>It's more likely due to Evangelicals' reluctance to force Jewish assimilation into European culture and identity
It's not really about European culture and identity, tbh.
It's really about the Church's culture and identity, like GK Chesterton says, Christendom, not Europe. 
Many anti-Jewish Christfags think it's pan-European, but it's not even that.
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>“All humans are brothers, white and black, all because many centuries ago, in another distant land, one martyr shed his blood and sacrificed himself so that this blood would establish love and brotherhood among people on Earth.”
— José Antonio Primo de Riverа

It needs to be said about Christianity what was said here: >>9844
If there wasn't Christianity, this role would naturally be fulfilled by any other King or Emperor.
>They say, Christ is King.
>To be a king of a people is to be their archtype, also to be the same kind: king is kin.
>There is supposed a blood relationship between a king and his people.
>The triumph of Christianity is to severe the blood relationship from all nations and their own bond as a people and bring it away from the Nation and into the fold of the Church: all peoples, regardless of race, drink the blood of Christ and become a family, brothers and sisters in Christ.
>Christ is a world king and supplants the archtypes of all peoples.

In a way, Christianity has circumcised the nations, spiritually, by planting Christ as King of Kings and overall rendering their blood relationship as a people invalid for a Christian blood bond. It seeks to graft all peoples onto the Abrahamic tree until they have no identity of their own, but like it is said by José Antonio Primo de Riverа
>in another distant land
So that another blood relationship is considered
>so that his [Christ's blood] would establish love and brotherhood among people on Earth.

Because what Christianity is is a kind of inversion of what any king would be unto his people: any natural king would make their people a great family and his blood would be their blood.
Christianity inverts this unto all nations.
The reason why Christ is portrayed as numerous different races is because Christ hijacks the role that Kings would do (which is to be the archtype of their people and the father of their race), sinks its roots into that host nation, and tries to turn them away from it.
But naturally, people will depict Christ as their own race because that is how people imagine their relationship with a king like king and kin.
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America Was Not Founded On Judeo-Christian Terms
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dejbo6yDVM

America Was Not Founded As A Christian Nation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6WQFYCvQ-E
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If Jewsus looked "White" it's because his father was a Roman. Not for nothing "my wife was impregnated by a god" is a long-standing euphemism for being cuckolded in the ancient world.
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>>11448
The guy you linked is a Freemason, FYI. While I agree that America wasn’t founded explicitly—or solely—as a Christian nation, it was still established by many Christians and shaped by Christian values. You can’t deny that those values are deeply woven into the United States’ core principles and culture, even if some didn’t originate exclusively from Christianity. Even if America wasn’t founded by Christianity, it was still built by free, Christian, White men.

>>11452
No one really knows what Jesus looked like, but honestly, it’s fair to say he probably never existed.
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>>11454
>No one really knows what Jesus looked like, but honestly, it’s fair to say he probably never existed.
I've heard of this long-standing position, but I don't know what it's rooted in. Could you elaborate please? I'm quite interested.
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>>11455
Other than the bible, the only close account I was able to find was Paul who said he saw jesus in a vision/while tripping balls.
with no sources other than the bible and the closest attestation is from a jew who himself says he saw him in a vision, for an apparent huge figure, he either probably didn't exist, or was just some typical jew, either way his character was mythologized and if he did exist he was a random nobody jew.
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>>11456
The primary sources describing the life of Jesus come exclusively from the New Testament, while non-Christian writings contain neither direct references nor clear correlations to him. The Roman historian Tacitus, writing around 116 CE, mentions that “Christus” was executed under Pontius Pilate during the reign of Tiberius, but he provides no details resembling the miracles or narratives found in the Gospels. It is important to note that Tacitus neither visited Judea nor witnessed any of these events himself. He wrote decades later, likely relying on information circulating in Rome or drawn from official records. Christians often cite the Jewish historian Josephus as further evidence for Jesus’ existence. However, none of Josephus’s original manuscripts have survived, and the versions that exist today are Greek and Latin copies preserved by Christian scribes. This raises reasonable questions about possible later alterations or interpolations. It also seems unlikely that a devout Jew would overtly praise Jesus as a legitimate messiah. Even if Jesus did exist as a historical figure, these sources portray him only as a man, and there is no independent record of the miraculous or divine events described in the New Testament.
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>>11456
>either way his character was mythologized and if he did exist he was a random nobody jew
He was that period's own George Floyd.
>>11447
>The reason why Christ is portrayed as numerous different races is because Christ hijacks the role that Kings would do (which is to be the archtype of their people and the father of their race), sinks its roots into that host nation, and tries to turn them away from it.
A complete parasite that mimics appearance. The legatea and spiritual usurper.

>>11454
>Even if America wasn’t founded by Christianity, it was still built by free, Christian, White men.
Freemasons for the most part. Any attempt to shove any reference to whiteness into the Constitution was blocked.
>Jesus
is 100% made up. There is simply no contemporary nor any reliable evidence to support the character described in the New Testament and the figure was finally validated centuries later. The cross came much later and the name Jesus is fairly modern, only a few centuries old.
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>>11473
>Freemasons for the most part. Any attempt to shove any reference to whiteness into the Constitution was blocked.
It’s true that Freemasons played an important role in the founding of the United States, but it’s inaccurate to suggest that America was exclusively built by Freemasons. Of the roughly fifty-five delegates who attended the Constitutional Convention, we only can confidently identify nine as Freemasons. The rest represented a wide range of Christian denominations—mostly Anglican (Episcopalian), Presbyterian, and Congregationalist, with a few Catholics among them. In short, the early American leadership reflected the diversity of European Protestant traditions rather than a single fraternal or religious identity, but in the end they clearly put White people first.

>There is simply no contemporary nor any reliable evidence to support the character described in the New Testament and the figure was finally validated centuries later. The cross came much later and the name Jesus is fairly modern, only a few centuries old.
Indeed, as I explained here >>11458, there is simply no way for "Jesus" to have existed as the New Testament proclaims.
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>>11474
My grandfather had a pet theory, to hear him tell it "Jesus" was actually Barabbas, leader of a gang of Semitic bandits much like Mohammed was, which he said were the Zealots. The kikes wanted to give him the Goerge Floyd treatment but Barabbas' crimes were too well-known to fully whitewash, hich is why they invented the person of Jesus so they could continue Barabbas' legacy under plausible deniability. It just so happened that the fictional Jesus character took on a life of its own and left its historical inspiration in the dust as a mere footnote.
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>>11475
>My grandfather had a pet theory, to hear him tell it "Jesus" was actually Barabbas
I really doubt that. Barabbas feels more like a symbolic figure than a real person, maybe a way for the gospel writers to make a point about corruption in the priesthood and how the crowd supposedly chose a criminal over the “messiah.” There’s no independent historical record of anyone like him, so it makes sense to think he was a narrative device to highlight Jesus as the “true” savior while everyone else comes off as morally lost.

>The kikes wanted to give him the Goerge Floyd treatment but Barabbas' crimes were too well-known to fully whitewash, hich is why they invented the person of Jesus so they could continue Barabbas' legacy under plausible deniability.
I also doubt that the Jewish priesthood or other strict religious Jews would’ve invented the gospels. It just doesn’t add up, they were deeply against the idea of Jesus as the messiah and weren’t exactly open to changing their traditions. It makes way more sense that Saul of Tarsus (Paul), who was himself Jewish but broke away from that religious establishment, was the real founder of Christianity. He basically reworked Jewish messianic ideas into something more universal, something that non-Jews could accept, turning it into a new faith altogether, but with the clear purpose of controlling gentiles.
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>>11488
>1488
Fucking heil.
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>>11488
>>11500
I never read up on the historical accuracy of the Bible due to lack of interest in the topic, so I never bothered verifying what he said. I kind of regret it in hindsight, grandpa was pretty redpilled.

PS: Nice digits, heh.
>>11478
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>>11480
>taking scripture out of context proves my point!
If only the message Christianity were as dark and violent as you portray, maybe then Hitler would have been more positively predisposed towards it. As it were, Islam suited his hawk demeanor more. No nation on earth can flourish without God's blessing.
>>11475
It would have been an interesting theory if it weren't for the fact that jesus was mentioned in the talmud multiple times as Yeshu and alluding to a "man from nazareth".

>Sanhedrin 43a:
"On the eve of Passover, they hanged (or crucified) Yeshu. A herald went out before him for forty days, saying: 'He is going to be stoned because he has practiced sorcery and enticed Israel to apostasy. Anyone who knows anything in his favor, let him come and plead on his behalf.' But they found nothing in his favor and they hanged him on the eve of Passover."
>Sanhedrin 107b
"On the eve of Passover, they hanged Yeshu. And the herald went out before him for forty days, saying: 'He is going to be stoned because he has practiced sorcery and enticed Israel to apostasy. Anyone who knows anything in his favor, let him come and plead on his behalf.' But they found nothing in his favor and they hanged him on the eve of Passover."
>Shabbat 116a
"A certain Tanna said to a certain man from Nazareth: 'You say that you are a prophet. You did not come for the good of Israel, but for their destruction.'"
and more.

These talmud passages are 1,500 - 1,800 years the old and oral traditions they were based on maybe older. Barabbas is not mentioned in the Talmud, and there is no direct reference that i know of to any roman passover tradition of releasing a prisoner. So I highly doubt the talmud would reference Yeshu and "man from nazareth" in the way they do instead of any character called barabas, who was from what i know never mentioned. If yeshu was indeed barabas they would have also delighted to be more specific with names and mention he was a murderer and rebel.
>>11507
In reality christianity's actual history is very dark and violent, while always claiming to message wellness, but underneath the surface there is only terror, similar to communism. A needlessly terrible and divisive religion historically. Incomparable to any kind of action you could actually prove Hitler ever did. Not only that but christianity is clearly a death cult similar to islam, and very irrational.
>>11507
>If only the message Christianity were as dark and violent as you portray, maybe then Hitler would have been more positively predisposed towards it, maybe then Hitler would have been more positively predisposed towards it.
Look, nigger, christcuckery has a dark, violent message for sure, which no one denied, but it's more about aimlessly window-shopping through life and bickering doctrines than racial struggle that Hitler constantly emphasized.
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This section of the video sums it up well with Rousseau.
One step forward, one step back.
Rousseau's diagnosis in Social Contract that Christianity set people against their own societies and denied patriotism and divorced religion from social life (separating Church and State) was a valid criticism.
One step back, however, for the whole "Society corrupts man" standpoint.
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>muh out of context
The last retort.
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>>11507
>No nation on earth can flourish without God's blessing.
Yahwah doesn't want the nations to flourish, but to be chained with jewish power fantasies over gentile kings and goyim nations.

Psalm 2
>Why do the nations conspire
>and the peoples plot in vain?

>The kings of the earth rise up
>and the rulers band together
>against the Lord and against his anointed, saying,
>“Let us break their chains
>and throw off their shackles.”

>The One enthroned in heaven laughs;
>the Lord scoffs at them.
>He rebukes them in his anger
>and terrifies them in his wrath, saying,
>“I have installed my king
>on Zion, my holy mountain.”
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>What matters in the  Christian value system is not what you do on Earth but that you die without sins staining your soul.
>According to Christian theology babies and small children are innocent.
>Therefore killing babies and small children while they're still innocent is good, as they die before they get the chance to grow up and become sinners.
Conclusion: Abortion is a perfectly Christian thing to do.
The ZOG is aligned with the antichrist, no wonder they'd be here trying to ideologically disarm their opponents by divorcing them from the one force actually capable of defeating them.
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>>11546
>The ZOG is aligned with the antichrist
ZOG literally uses Christ to achieve what they've long desired. If ZOG was against Christ, then they would have killed Christianity long ago when they still had the chance.

>>11546
>no wonder they'd be here trying to ideologically disarm their opponents by divorcing them from the one force actually capable of defeating them.
<Boo-hoo, no circle-jerk to peddle Christianity
That's an amusing cope, but where are the Christians battling ZOG these days? Where's that Christian-Muslim coalition meant to topple it that Christian RWs were soy-facing over? Which sect of believers is genuinely warring against the Jews right now? You've been ZOG's foot soldiers since Christianity's inception. I still remember you fags cheering on times where christcuck monarchs expulsed Jews as undeniable proof that you were against Judaism, when in reality Christians only fumble and always welcome them back with open arms, granting economic liberties and unchecked influence. Let's not forget that time when Christians lost their minds over Hitler for refusing to bow to the kang of Israel, so they decided to infiltrate and work with Britain and the United States, who were clearly backed by supremacist Jews. You've never truly opposed ZOG.
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‼️The Reich Security Main Office, Department VII (ideological opponents) reviews, mocks, debunks and rejects a book about "Aryan Jesus." ‼️

"Kerrl deals irresponsibly and superficially with the tradition: he accepts what suits him, rejects everything else—and thus his image of Jesus is absolute FANTASY without any value."
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SS Scharführer Waldemar Beyer was tasked with reading and reviewing a Christian nationalist book, and writes the following negative and patronizing report on Dr. Friedrich Adolf Kerrl's book:

 "Die Jesusreligion als praktische Lebensergrundlage (Positive Christentum). - Karl-Rohm-Verlag, Lorch-Württemberg, 1937."
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FULL REPORT:

"The book proves itself to be a German-Christian product, whereby it is characterized as neither German nor Christian. Alongside the flowery phrases of a lyrical sermon stand depictions of the ancient Germanic attitude (essentially correct) and discussions about Jesus (essentially FALSE) - and all these ingredients are mixed into a superficial-optimistic "religion" that, in its shallowness, is reminiscent of the Enlightenment and Freemasonry. 

This overall judgment is underscored by an examination of details. 

-P. 6: "Galiläa" is derived from "Kelten" [Celts], "Gallier" [Gauls] and from this an "Aryan" population is derived. The name comes from the Hebrew "galil", i.e. circle, district, hence: "Bezirk der Heiden" [District of the Heathens], Galiläa perhaps had something not entirely Jewish in population, but was predominantly fully Jewish. - That "in Galiläa no Jews ever lived," as Kerrl claims, is UTTER NONSENSE.

P. 6 - 8 the FABLE of the "Aryan" descent of Jesus is warmed up again - although it is completely untenable; for Jesus could never have appeared among the Jews if he had not been a full Jew; they would never have listened to him, least of all in the time of Roman rule.

P. 7 Kerrl claims that in Luke there is no genealogy of Jesus - although Lk 3, 23 - 38 contains a completely detailed genealogy. Has Kerrl really read the Gospel of Luke?

P. 8 - it is claimed that the Hellenistic part of Christianity abandoned the view of Jesus' Jewish descent - a COMPLETELY UNPROVEN, indeed even PROVABLY FALSE assertion.

P. 9 the interpretation of the "Son of David" as a "spiritual" son is entirely arbitrary and cannot be proven by anything.

P. 11 the "Servant of Yahweh" (Isa 42 - 53) is interpreted as Israel - which interpretation is undoubtedly FALSE; the common scholarly view today sees in the "Servant of Yahweh" the prophet (Jesus) himself.

P. 12 is considered by the historian Tacitus to be the year 150 AD. - while Tacitus was born in 55 and in his historical writing went up to the year 98! - The origin of Jesus from Nazareth is not established; "Nazarene" perhaps meant a Jewish sect, since the existence of such a sect for that time is certain. 

The "pure, heroic personality, the sense so un-Jewishly averse to the materialistic, the holy wrath against Judaism" - which Kerrl attributes to Jesus - is FANTASY (!!), since one knows nothing positive about Jesus and those views are developed only from torn-out words of the New Testament under arbitrary interpretation.

P. 19 assigns to Christianity "in truth the highest place among the religions" as a "scientifically to be founded and founded judgment" - although Kerrl's "science" "founds" everything else sooner.

P. 23 presents Jesus as "the embodiment of the highest stage of humanity" - although the presupposition of an Aryan race is false and his personality is not recognizable from the tradition. It is one of the judgments beloved in theological circles, in which every "science" is set aside and only the phrase rules. - Kerrl even speaks of a "unique revelation of God in Jesus"

P. 25 Kerrl ascribes to Jesus "a voluntary sacrificial death" - although even self-appointed theologians strongly doubt this "voluntariness" and rather assume that Jesus deceived himself about the possibilities of his Messiahship.

P. 26 portrays the person of Jesus as "so light, so clear, so heavenly bright, so having nothing mystical about him at all" - whereby Kerrl arbitrarily has in mind passages pleasing to him from the New Testament, while he silently lets the words united therein partly represent community formations and do not come from Jesus at all! His "art of interpretation" however surpasses in boldness every scholastic.

p. 41: "The religion of gentleness and love is itself the best proof for this assertion, for it has already conquered a great part of the world" - unfortunately Kerrl says nothing about the how!

P. 42 Kerrl wants to "see God... even in the most hardened criminal".

P. 51 is the expression "beautiful, already in its sound so peculiarly beatifying name Jesus" cheap rhetoric. Such "court news", as political expression of the Roman Empire today with "Hofnachrichten" would have to be rendered.

P. 30 In Kerrl's work, a deeply moved humanity marches forth, "that had lived along in dull fear and mute anxiety before a God, whose name they did not even dare to whisper shyly... how they listened up, incredulous at first, but already with budding hope. And when they saw the face of him who proclaimed this message to them, the hope became certainty... and now the hearts rejoiced, now it bloomed in the souls like new spring!" – Quite surely, that's how the Jews behaved when the "blond Aryan" Jesus came! Kerrl proves a CHILDLIKE IGNORANCE of the contemporary historical situation of Jesus – and his lyrical presentation does not even have the value of a historical novel. 

The entire description from beginning to end is NONSENSE – because Kerrl approaches the whole problem "Jesus" wrongly from the start and knows nothing from the outset.

P. 30 – 38 exhausts itself in an enthusiastic description of "Jesus' Works" – unfortunately without any factual value.

P. 39 is given (naturally false again!) as the basis of "Jesus' Teaching": God is our Father and we his beloved children! – Thereupon speaks a mixture of Enlightenment and Pietism, but no factual material. – "This little is so great, so overwhelmingly great, that it can form the basis for a completely new worldview and world formation, for a completely new humanity" – an explanation of these phrases is unnecessary.

P. 39 – 47 an analysis of the "Sermon on the Mount" is given – with arbitrary interpretation of the individual words (whereby inconvenient sentences, like those about the validity of the Jewish law, are simply silenced). 

Thereby Kerrl mentions that Jesus "never held" the Sermon on the Mount; however, he conceals that the words united therein partly represent community formations and do not come from Jesus at all! His "art of interpretation" however surpasses every scholastic in boldness.

P. 52: "First of all, it must be established once and for all that Jesus did not intend to bring us any religion at all, but rather life, joy of life, joy of the world, joy of God, joy of humanity—this sentence is characteristic of the entire book. For the first part is correct: Jesus did not want to bring a new religion, but preached radical prophetic Judaism; however, the second part is utterly false; for Jesus was the preacher of 'repentance,' of the approaching 'Day of Yahweh,' i.e., of the end of the world, and with that was connected the flight from the world. 

"P. 53: "Jesus performed no single cultic act nor demanded one"—that is false; he participated in the Jewish temple service. — "Jesus knows of no priesthood"—that is not correct, for Jesus recognized the Jewish priesthood.

P. 59: "The Jesus-religion knows no intolerance and cannot know it"—hence probably the sharp and exaggerated words of the Gospels, that no one comes to the Father except through Jesus; that whoever is not with him is against him; that one must hate one's entire family in order to be his disciple; etc. — Kerrl deals irresponsibly and superficially with the tradition: he accepts what suits him, rejects everything else—and thus his image of Jesus is absolute fantasy without any value.

P. 62: Kerrl appends to an (essentially accurate) depiction of the Germanic worldview the assertion: "And that is also the foundation of the Jesus-religion." Against such an assertion, in the name of truth and science, and not least in the name of the Germans, the most vehement contradiction must be raised. Here the author's superficiality turns into a lie! He speaks about Germanism and he speaks about Christianity—but neither the one nor the other is a matter of the heart to him; he has understood neither the one nor the other; everything sinks into phrases, obfuscating and vaporizing. — Just such hair-raising nonsense is it when, on p. 67, the Jesus-religion is designated as a "this-worldly religion" and it is said: "Jesus never spoke a word about the hereafter": that beats all truth in the face! – for the Jesus-religion is eschatological, i.e., only otherworldly!

P. 72 forms the pinnacle of NONSENSE: "In the Indo-Germanic-conditioned race instinct, Jesus turned against the differently raced Judaism, which was repugnant to him in his deepest innards, against which his race feeling rebelled!" – Precisely for that reason, the "exultation" of the Jews on pp. 30 f occurred? One must not assume too much stupidity in the readers after all!

 Would Jesus, as a non-Jew, have been allowed to enter the Temple? For that, immediate death penalty stood (confirmed by the Roman state). What Kerrl is staging here is only theater thunder. But he should first really read the text of the Gospels once and not just babble about it!

Pp. 60 – 63 is the ongoing attempt to identify the Germanic attitude with the "Jesus-religion." Of course, Kerrl says one thing not: When the Germanic religion already represented the ideal – why then at all an appearance in the Near East and with Jesus? then Jesus was most superfluous! Kerrl proves – albeit very involuntarily – that Christianity is immediately DISPENDABLE upon return to Germanic thinking.

P. 85 depicts Kerrl enthusiastically, how the "pure Christianity" of the first time fought and defeated the Roman Empire. Accordingly, then Rosenberg is right with the word from the "world revolution"! – Here it proves again that Kerrl is not at all clear about the scope of his views: for he glorifies here the "political church"! –To expose these individual scribbles. 

Moreover, the writing must be counted among the harmful and undesirable literature: for it spreads untrue and proven as untrue views, serves the purposes of Judaism and the political church, confuses the thinking of German fellow citizens and contradicts the foundations of National Socialism through falsification of the race concept and the National Socialist way of life."

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HP Lovecraft on Christianity:
>In the later stages of decay Christianity undoubtedly did harm through its exaltation of softness, justice, and universal brotherhood, and its demand for the renunciation of earthly ties and loyalty; but it is a mistake to consider this the principal cause of decline, as some do. Rome  would never have adopted this mawkish slave-religion if it had not begun to acquire the soft slave-mind and the subtle slave-religion of human equality. The nation, through other causes, had come psychologically unfitted for the traditional classic polytheism and the virile schools of philosophy. Itself decadent, it had begun to demand something like the slave-faiths and mystically consolatory cults of the long-decadent East.

>It was pure accident that Christianity won--but once it did win, it undeniably did harm through its weakening effect on patriotism. It sapped at the vigorously nationalistic cast of the Roman mind, and made the people feel that the identity--or even the nature--of their earthly government was comparatively inessential.

Khomeini is right to say that Patriotism / Nationalism / Love of Race and Country is PAGANISM.
Contrasting the quotes by Cicero of Roman devotion to the Fatherland and the Christian quotes of belonging to no city but New Jerusalem is a good sample... TO amplify Christianity more and more is in a way to become more like Saudi Arabia or Islamic Republic in regard that they are Mohammedans first and hate Arab/Persian Nationalism (that various regimes like Saddam, Assad, and even the Shah of Iran represented)... The Church / The Ummah would be the primary caretaker and identity as Christians or Muslims without any attachment to a particular people or land or any eartthly rulers even (besides the Islamic and Christian clergy).
>>11535
Kys larper, you're not a descendant of the ancient Romans. They all willingly racemixed with the shitskins from Levant and produced modern Italians after that. There's nothing to be proud of the Roman globhomo empire. It physically genocided your germanic ancestors like nobody ever did (besides maybe the kikes tho) and you're still simping for it. Pathetic, as you see.
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>>11554
Only boo-hooing here is from you and your slant-skulled untermensch who rail against anything you see as mainstream. Fact is, ZOG has tried to killed Christianity and continues to try 
to do so and you're a nice shabbos goy for doing their handiwork. 
It is, however, all in vain because there is a God and His enemies don't stand a chance against Him. I'm sorry that you're life is so shit that you have taken it on yourself to blame God. You are the kind of dysgenic human being that gives stormfags a bad name. else you're one of eglin's best, which may be so since you and your kind post during working hours.
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>>11622
>who rail against anything you see as mainstream.
>Muh contarian!
Most mainstream shit is garbage, especially Christianity. You can’t act as if Christianity is so much better than anything else when the average Christian is niggercattle.
>Fact is, ZOG has tried to killed Christianity and continues to try to do so and you're a nice shabbos goy for doing their handiwork.
<doesn’t provide any proof that ZOG has tried killing Christianity.
We’ve got rabbis on record bragging about how they keep Christianity around because it hands them power over retards who worship a dead Jew on a stick. If ZOG really hated you fags so much, what’s stopping them from wiping it out tomorrow?
>It is, however, all in vain because there is a God and His enemies don't stand a chance against Him
Jews already own your churches, but sure, keep coping about your imaginary Jew is all-powerful like some spic arguing Goku solos the verse.
>I'm sorry that you're life is so shit that you have taken it on yourself to blame God.
>I have no argument so I must project.
Imagine sounding like a hysterical woman, lmao.
>You are the kind of dysgenic human being that gives stormfags a bad name. else you're one of eglin's best, which may be so since you and your kind post during working hours.
>thinks we’re stormfags
>beggar calling anyone dysgenic
Calling people dysgenic is a sin btw ("Judge not lest ye be judged"). Christianity denounces personal judgments about someone’s worth, including their own DNA. A Christcuck lecturing anyone on eugenics is peak irony when your churches are packed with niggers and spics and most race-mixers are wearing crosses.
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>>11621
>>11622
You're not a descendant Old Testament Slave Jews and Abraham. Watching you seethe and foam at the mouth because we don't regard the Old Testament Jews and Abraham as our ancestors is precious.

Sadly, for our ancestors, the damage is done and many of us have Biblical-inspired names because they were duped into regarding Old Testament Jews as their ancestors and naming their children after them with names like Abraham, Adam, David, Jacob, Noah, etc.

Some will say that because people followed Christianity for so long, then it should be more legitimate. It is a sunken cost fallacy, all the more shame to have done this, and all the more glorious to throw those shackles off finally.
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>Christlarpers
>>11622
>ZOG has tried to killed Christianity and continues to try 
to do so
LOL NO it fucking doesn't. That's why they nearly all get state funding at large. Ever ask yourself why that is? 

I will tell you why that.  It is because Christianity clearly benefits ZOG as it is opium for the masses and causes "the goyim" to be docile and retarded while subjecting themselves to jewish noahide laws abrahamist mental enslavement without ever realizing none of the noahide laws themselves that from their origin of the jewish torah doesn't apply to nonjews. So Christianity just a universalist religion that freed the slaves, let them into our societies and to wreck it while you continue operating as a quasi jewish drone filled with jewish golem propaganda that made the biggest mistakes of the last 100 years. That's what we're getting at here. That's why your religion is dangerous, and that's why we resist your judeomarxist theology.
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I like catholicism, but ZOG is an ally of the christian officialism. Since ww2, the CIA, the Mafia and the Vatican work together. The Vatican Bank (the only institution that matters in the vatican, the rest is a facade), washes a lot of drug money, I read once that they get at cut between 15-20% of the heroin trade, for example. The Church was a vital part of the Gladio network, and has been infiltrated by all kind of secret societies and inteligence agencies, the famous 1958 Vatican II, for example. Also, historically is not like the Church has always been the most defensors of the christendom...there's several examples of this. But catholicism is nowadays death, you can't be a catholic and a supporter of "democracy", for example. Now they're all marxists larpers.
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>>11631
>I like catholicism
Disagree.
The only thing catholicism has going for it is crusaderlarp aesthetics and muh aquinas and scholasticism...
If I had to pick the lesser evil in terms of Christfag sects, Orthodox Christianity is not as bad as Catholicism's turboautist globohomo tendencies (which is present in all sects of Christianity, but accelerated in Catholicism and somewhat hindered in Orthodoxy by accident). The Catholic Church as a 5th column and its anti-politics might as very well make them 2nd-rate Jews (in terms of opposing political order and inner stability of countries).
Catholicism is like having a permanent 5th column in your country. Its ultra-clericalism is always dueling with the very legitimate needs of countries and common good of their ends, particularly like the Democrat Party would like illegal immigrants to get more voters so Catholicism likes illegal immigrants to bolster its ranks... Immigration problems in the US with Catholic bishops is perhaps the prime example of how the ultraclericalism of Catholicism attacks the common good of a nation and plays into partiality against it.
...Whereas Orthodoxy...
What is most ridiculed by Catholics about Orthodox Christianity (that it is a puppet of the KGB or works with Russian nationalism) is what makes it better than Catholicism, and that is primarily why most trad Christians with -some- tendency towards national feeling are looking to Orthodoxy over Catholicism.
That is mostly by accident: the absolutism of the Roman Pontiff is very obnoxious (even if it is the globhomo, spirit-circumcising demand of Christ to be King of all nations) it is somewhat restrained by Orthodoxy's decentralization of the churches and autonomy of the bishops... the absolutism of the Popes itself isn't so bad in principle, but because it must be globohomo and extend to all peoples it is obnoxious... at least an absolutist king would be restrained to his own people or the extent of his own empire... the Orthodoxy of bishops checks that globohomo aspect and by accident keeps the churches in line.
The Orthodox doctrine of Symphonia (which states its respect for political and ecclesiastical matters) corrects and outweighs all the Catholic social teachings which are ultimately curbed by Catholicism's disdain for the political and stupidly spiteful ultraclericalism opposed to the common good, because Catholic Social Teaching can never replace the legitimate ends of Politics and the Nation no matter how hard it tries to -- which only Politics can fulfill in terms of civic virtue, which ultimately Catholicism has sought to rival and make an enemy in an absurd fashion... So even in the "I'm Christian for social stability" reasons Orthodoxy is preferable to Catholicism, and Catholicism is only preferably by accident (not principle) because it conveniently has Western Europe in its folds and seems to be a barrier against Islam and sometimes (by accident, not any quality or principle thereof) a means to paneuropeanism (even though especially now it is not really paneuropean but just pan-christian and ultimately the most accelerated globohomo sect of Christianity).
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Spiritual Jews, grafted unto the spiritual Abrahamic Tree, by a spiritual blood relationship with a spiritual King of the Jews.

Christianity is like an inversion (or rather, perversion) of what Aristotle says, 
>And this is the reason why Hellenic states were originally governed by kings; ...the kingly form of government prevailed because they were of the same blood and suckled 'with the same milk'.
Christ's blood being that milk and... well... blood... or wine... it is a blood relationship applied to all peoples and expansion of what a king would be to all nations. Normally people would have a blood relationship between themselves and their own king, not with all other people... but rather like the japanese and their emperor. 

Aristotle:
>The rule of a father over his children is royal, for he rules by virtue both of love and of the respect due to age, exercising a kind of royal power. And therefore Homer has appropriately called Zeus 'father of Gods and men,' because he is the king of them all. For a king is the natural superior of his subjects, but he should be of the same kin or kind with them...

And that last passage:
>should be of the same kin or kind with them
Accurately describes why "Christ the King" is morphed into other races in his portrayal.
The Old Testament portrayal of a Messiah that hits the kings of nations with an iron rod in psalm 2 and the procession of the wealth of the Gentiles and their kings described in Isaiah 60 is what Papism wants to do with earthly rulers (to my disgust) with the Pope at the top of the hierarchy kissing black refugee feet as an example for all to follow...
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>>11625
>retarded yes-chad normie meme
The Mosaic law is a ingroup law, it doesn't apply to anyone who's outside of the group the law was made to. It simply means that Christ didn't say "you will love your enemies and be happy", He did say "you will love your neighbor (= brother) and forgive them for they are the same with you". The parable of the good Samaritan proves that not all "people" are "neighbors" or brothers, and that we must only help our own. 

>"You're not a descendant of Abraham"
Spartans wrote to the Old Testament Judeans, that they all were of the same stock of Abraham. In the response, the Judean High Priest Jonathan confirmed that was true. Why did the ancient Hellenes reckon themselves to be "Abraham's sons" and why did the ancient "joos (trust me)" consider that to be correct (1 Maccabees 12)? Hah.
The answer is that Abraham, Isaac and Jacob became the nominal fathers of all Whites aka Adamites (Deuteronomy 32:7-9) by the birthright and the right of inheritance that was awarded to them by God. Adam is the son of God, all the legitimate unadulterated sons of Adam are sons of God and thus the people of God ("His sheep"), and Abraham, Isaac and Jacob are only the holders of the birthright among His descendants, on whose behalf God interacted with all whites (that's why Paul says that the Romans were of Abraham, the Corinthians were with Moses and the Galatians were under the law).
I see a clear problem to accept a belief like this for such pagans as you, because you faggots sure believe that both Whites and non-whites are the same species, thinking that niggers and chinks are humans too and so on. It's such a high difficulty for you to be really racist, because all you want is nativism for all ("Africa for Africans, Europe for Europeans"). Just believe me, all Whites have the same ancestor that indeedly lived there where Adam was created, and this is genetically supported for original Europeans which the WHG were originally came from Transcaucasia and Anatolia to the Balkans and then to Western Europe. Their genetic predominance in the genomes of the ancient Dzudzuana-AHG-ANF proves that as well. The hydrography of lake Van also does. It's just nonsense that Adam could've been a common ancestor for us, the negroes and the orientals.
It's terrible how pagans are afraid of the perspective to have a book that would say that their race is God-chosen, exceptional, that must rule the entire world and that must commit genocide against all the racial foreigners. The story of the Israelites colonizing Canaan inspired the Puritans to colonize America, and next the latter inspired Hitler to come up with the idea of Lebensraum. You can't prove me that all this is wrong. Without Christianity, there would've been no racism, no colonization, no worldwide White supremacy, no even Europe as a one civilization (ancient Greece and Rome were parts of the ancient Mediterranean "civilization" and had less connections to their Northern European brothers than to the brown Levantines or Egyptians).
Just admit, you and your folk are an elect race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a peculiar people, isn't that what you were meant to stand for? Weren't you a White nationalist, right? A White supremacist, huh?

>"Sadly, our ancestors really thought like you"
Lol, even your ancestors were on my side. Or, in better words, I'm on your ancestors' side. I thought you actually cared about them! Now I see your pretentious accusations are nothing more but LARP.

>inbefore "Nooo weren't you supposed to support the universalist views on the races like the other self-proclaimed 'christians' do???"
Thanks but I'm not falling for the mistakes of the "Church Fathers" that mixed our Bible with their own pagan and gnostic philosophies after the Apostles (the real Church Fathers) died for their faith.

>inbefore "Oh you just filled my entire arbitrage bingo of people I don't like (the CI)! So you're wrong, get the fuck of muh board!"
Ad hominem.
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>>11635
>The Mosaic law is a ingroup law, it doesn't apply to anyone who's outside of the group the law was made to. It simply means that Christ didn't say "you will love your enemies and be happy", He did say "you will love your neighbor (= brother) and forgive them for they are the same with you
The Mosaic Law does make a sharp distinction between Israelites and gentiles in a ton of commandments (circumcision, festivals, land laws, etc.), but it’s flat-out wrong to say it “doesn’t apply” to outsiders at all. Resident foreigners (gerim) living inside Israel were bound by the big ones: Sabbath, blasphemy, idolatry, sexual immorality laws, blood eating, etc. – see Exodus 12:49, Leviticus 24:22, Numbers 15:15–16. More importantly, Jesus directly commands “love your enemies” in Matthew 5:43–48 and Luke 6:27–35, and the Good Samaritan parable (Luke 10:25–37) deliberately redefines “neighbor” as anyone in need, even a hated outsider. Claiming plēsion secretly means “only fellow Jew” is the exact interpretation Jesus is correcting.

>Spartans wrote to the Old Testament Judeans, that they all were of the same stock of Abraham.
The letter is from Spartan king Areus I to High Priest Onias (probably Onias I), not Jonathan for Jonathan only quotes it 150 years later in 1 Maccabees 12. The Jewish side never actually confirms the “we’re both from Abraham” part; they just happily accept the diplomatic friendship and run with it. Modern scholars  almost unanimously treat the Abraham claim as a Jewish literary invention for prestige – there’s zero Spartan evidence for it and the wording reeks of someone who knew the Torah way too well for a pagan king.

>The answer is that Abraham, Isaac and Jacob became the nominal fathers of all Whites aka Adamites (Deuteronomy 32:7-9) by the birthright and the right of inheritance that was awarded to them by God. Adam is the son of God, all the legitimate unadulterated sons of Adam are sons of God and thus the people of God ("His sheep"), and Abraham, Isaac and Jacob are only the holders of the birthright among His descendants, on whose behalf God interacted with all whites (that's why Paul says that the Romans were of Abraham, the Corinthians were with Moses and the Galatians were under the law).
This is straight-up ((( Christian Identity ))) / ((( British-Israelism ))) talking, not biblical teaching. Deuteronomy 32:8–9 (especially in the Dead Sea Scrolls + Septuagint reading) is about God taking Jacob/Israel as his portion and assigning the other nations to lesser divine beings, nothing about “Whites.” Paul never says Romans, Corinthians or Europeans are physical descendants of Abraham; he explicitly says the exact opposite: Gentiles become children of Abraham through faith, not blood (Romans 4:11–16, Galatians 3:7–9, 29). No church father, no ancient Jewish source, nobody before the 1840s ever taught that Scythians or Celts or Germans were the lost tribes. It’s modern “we wuz Israelites” cope.

>Lol, even your ancestors were on my side
Our ancestors were often forced to convert at swordpoint and still kept getting enslaved or massacred for centuries afterward.

>Church Fathers" that mixed our Bible with their own pagan and gnostic philosophies after the Apostles (the real Church Fathers) died for their faith.
Pretty much every early Christian writer after ~100 CE is a “Church Father” by any normal definition. Calling only the apostles “real” and everyone after them pagan is the same move every splinter sect makes.

>Ad hominem.
<MUH FALLACIES ON MUH IMAGEBOARD
You care about that now faggot?
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>>11636
>There's no distinction between Israelites and Gentiels
Depending on if the "Gentile" is an Adamite or not. The real distinction that is present in the law is between those who were born in the Promised land aka Erets Israel and those who were not, this is where Paul then drew a line between the circumcised and the uncircumcised respectively. The only reason you can't get it is because you're a universalist commie.

>the Good Samaritan larable deliberately redefines neighbor as anyone in need, even a hatred outsider
It doesn't, in fact. Thr original Samaritans were the northern tribes of Israel and therefore of the same stock as the Judeans. At the same time, the priesthood from the same place where the Judean man who got in the trouble (i.e. Jerusalem) wasn't his "neighbors", and there's no wonder, for they were likely the converted Edomites, this and only this would explains the parable. 

>Claiming plēsion secretly means “only fellow Jew” is the exact interpretation Jesus is correcting.
Jesus corrects nobody in the chapter, he had a monologue not a dialogue.

>the lleter is to Onias actually 
Okay, whatever, still note that the Spartans read themselves the Scriptures and understood that they, as Europeans, are the Israel of the promise (Romans 9).

>The Jewish side never actually confirms the “we’re both from Abraham” part
Verses 6-7, Jonathan states it. The very Jonathan I confused with Onias.

>Modern scholars  almost unanimously treat the Abraham claim as a Jewish literary invention for prestige
Appeal to authority logical fallacy. And even if it is so, and the letter is fake, it doesn't refute my argument, the Judeans considered European Spartans to be a part of Israel.

>the wording reeks of someone who knew the Torah way too well for a pagan king.
The wording "I just opened one of your sacred books and pointed somewhere and then found that we are your brothers" doesn't reek of professionalism in the written Torah.

>This is straight-up (((  Christian Identity  ))) / (((  British-Israelism  ))) talking, not biblical teaching. 
Wigger needs an academic authority to read, haha

>Deuteronomy 32:8–9 (especially in the Dead Sea Scrolls + Septuagint reading) is about God taking Jacob/Israel as his portion and assigning the other nations to lesser divine beings 
It literally states about many nations as parts of the ethnic Israel.

>Paul never says Romans, Corinthians or Europeans are physical descendants of Abraham
What a lier

>he explicitly says the exact opposite: Gentiles become children of Abraham through faith
False, you can't change your bloodline by your actions, the only thing that Paul stated is that "we made you Christian because you're of Abraham and the heirs of the promise" as it was wirtten in Galatians 3:29. How can a sheep become a goat and the vice versa?

>Romans 4:11–16
There's no single hint of the faith making anyone a descendant of Abraham, the apostle just says that the faith is the way to inherit what was promised for the seed of Abraham. 

>Galatians 3:7–9, 29
Paul talks about how Abraham believed God that He would make a lot of nations out of him. How do you think, how can faith be related to entire nations? Why is there nothing about personal salvation and adoption to Abraham, but saying that there are whole certain peoples that are also originated from Abraham's seed? How does this spiritual sperm shit even work? White Pagans are already of the Chosen seed. It's the sheep who can really go after Him, not those who go after Him are the sheep.

>No church father taught that
Pagans and gnostics with extremely poor knowledge of the Bible. Some didn't even know Paul, in addition.

>no ancient Jewish source taught that
Aren't you the one who are saying "the Israelites are Jews, the Bible is jewish" huh?

>nobody before the 1840s ever taught that Scythians or Celts or Germans were the lost tribes.
Yet still the Founding Fathers believed it. Whatever, I'm not preaching the ten tribes theory because it's literally irrelevant. Re-read my original post.

>It’s modern “we wuz Israelites” cope.
Considering the ancient Israelites to be Jewish is the same as considering the ancient Aryans of Sintashta to be Iranian. You're the delusional here, not me.

>Our ancestors were often forced to convert at swordpoint and still kept getting enslaved or massacred for centuries afterward
Never happened.  Frankish wars on the pagan tribes were only held in case of them violently struggling the missionaries and the very Franks.

>Pretty much every early Christian writer after ~100 CE is a “Church Father” by any normal definition
Don't treat me like a fool, I know it. It's been already noted that they all started to appear after the Apostles died.

>Calling the Church Fathers pagan for following pagan doctrines and worshipping Plato is what only sects do
You have a way too good opinion of the sects

P.S. an average passage in the NT (Matthew 15):
>Hello I'm Jesus and I came for My sheep of Israel
<Hello too I'm a Greek woman and I just believed in You btw
>Yes I know now get your daughter healed
What did He mean by this hmmm
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>Depending on if the "Gentile" is an Adamite or not. The real distinction that is present in the law is between those who were born in the Promised land aka Erets Israel and those who were not, this is where Paul then drew a line between the circumcised and the uncircumcised respectively. The only reason you can't get it is because you're a universalist commie.
>Adamite
This doesn't exist. The Bible treats all humans, including non-Whites, as descended from Adam and Noah without exception (Acts 17:26: “From one man he made every nation of mankind…”). “Adamite” as a special racial category isn’t in the Bible at all, Acts 17:26 says every single nation comes from one man (Adam). The Torah’s real distinction is covenantal and genealogical: Israelites (descended from Jacob) vs everyone else. An Israelite born in Egypt was 100% under the law; a Canaanite born inside the borders of Israel was still a gentile unless he converted. Paul’s “circumcision vs uncircumcision” = Jew vs gentile every single time he uses it (Rom 2:25–29, Gal 5:6, Col 3:11). He never once makes it about “born inside the land” or “Adamite blood.” That’s pure 20th-century CI fan-fiction.

>It doesn't, in fact. Thr original Samaritans were the northern tribes of Israel and therefore of the same stock as the Judeans.
The Samaritans themselves claimed descent from the northern tribes (2 Kings 17:24–41 says the Assyrians repopulated Samaria with foreigners who mixed with the remaining Israelites and adopted a syncretic Yahweh cult). Jews in Jesus’ day treated them as half-breeds and heretics (John 4:9, 20–22). Jesus uses a Samaritan as the hero of the parable precisely because they were despised outsiders to most Judeans.

>Jesus corrects nobody in the chapter, he had a monologue not a dialogue.
Oh? Was he not speaking in front of Pharisees who literally taught “love your neighbor and hate your enemy” (which isn’t even in the Torah – it was their oral tradition)? Matthew 5:43, “You have heard that it was said…” is Jesus directly quoting and correcting the standard rabbinic interpretation of his day.

>Okay, whatever, still note that the Spartans read themselves the Scriptures
I just explained to you that it is impossible for King Areus to have read their scriptures. Again, it wasn't the Spartans. More proof that you have never read nor will read your so-called 'holy scriptures'.

>Wigger needs an academic authority to read, haha
>retard with shit grammar and spelling calling anyone a wigger
Ironic, but do you have proof to counter what I said? Reddit atheists understand your own religion than you do, funny enough.

>It literally states about many nations as parts of the ethnic Israel.
No biblical verse says that. The closest you might be twisting is stuff like Ephesians 2:12 or the “many nations” promise to Abraham (Gen 17:5), but Paul explains it as gentiles being grafted in spiritually, not becoming ethnic Israelites (Rom 11:17–24 – “you, a wild olive shoot, were grafted in among the others”). Ethnic Israel stays Israel; gentiles get included in the blessings without changing bloodlines.

>What a lier
It's 'liar'. Also, not an argument.

>False, you can't change your bloodline by your actions, the only thing that Paul stated is that "we made you Christian because you're of Abraham and the heirs of the promise" as it was wirtten in Galatians 3:29. How can a sheep become a goat and the vice versa?
Galatians 3:28–29 literally says: “There is neither Jew nor Greek… for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed (sperma), and heirs according to the promise.” Paul is explicitly saying gentiles become Abraham’s seed through faith, not blood. He says the exact same thing in Romans 4:11–16 and 9:6–8. You cannot cope when the facts are in-front of your face.

>There's no single hint of the faith making anyone a descendant of Abraham, the apostle just says that the faith is the way to inherit what was promised for the seed of Abraham. 
Bullshit, refer to Galatians 3:7, 29 and Romans 4:16 – Paul flat-out calls believing gentiles “children of Abraham” and “Abraham’s seed.” That’s spiritual descent language, not just sharing the prize.

>Pagans and gnostics with extremely poor knowledge of the Bible
I don't care what you think. If you refuse to acknowledge anyone besides Paul, then take his word here – he literally calls uncircumcised gentile believers “the circumcision” (Phil 3:3, Col 2:11) and says physical descent from Israel means jack without faith (Rom 2:28–29, 9:6–8). Your whole “bloodline can’t change” thing is the Judaizer position Paul curses out in Galatians.

>Yet still the Founding Fathers believed it.
Citations needed. How could they believe in something that didn't exist until the mid to late 19th century? The founding of America was already set before your spewing retardation fruitioned into thought. The Founding Fathers believing it or not doesn't mean shit. The Founding Fathers were also wrong on a-lot of things, such as that time Thomas Jefferson claimed that Jews were credited with everything. The Founding Fathers still did not write the bible.

>Considering the ancient Israelites to be Jewish is the same as considering the ancient Aryans of Sintashta to be Iranian. You're the delusional here, not me.
Not an argument, schizo.

>Never happened.  Frankish wars on the pagan tribes were only held in case of them violently struggling the missionaries and the very Franks.
Charlemagne’s Saxon Wars (772–804) literally ended with the choice “baptism or death”, the Capitulatio de partibus Saxoniae prescribed the death penalty for refusing baptism or relapsing into paganism. The Royal Frankish Annals record mass executions (4,500 Saxons beheaded in one day at Verden, 782). That’s forced conversion by any definition.

>Don't treat me like a fool, I know it. It's been already noted that they all started to appear after the Apostles died.
Nice goal-post, nigger.

>You have a way too good opinion of the sects
>P.S. an average passage in the NT (Matthew 15):
>Hello I'm Jesus and I came for My sheep of Israel
>Hello too I'm a Greek woman and I just believed in You btw
>Yes I know now get your daughter healed
>What did He mean by this hmmm
Jesus literally says in that same chapter (Matt 15:24) “I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel”… and then immediately heals the Canaanite woman’s daughter because of her faith and praises her as having “great faith” (15:28). He’s showing that faith overrides the ethnic priority, exactly the point Paul later hammers home. Are you being retarded on purpose perhaps, or just some nigger who found himself on here?

P.S. You will never be a Jew.
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>Depending on if the "Gentile" is an Adamite or not. The real distinction that is present in the law is between those who were born in the Promised land aka Erets Israel and those who were not, this is where Paul then drew a line between the circumcised and the uncircumcised respectively. The only reason you can't get it is because you're a universalist commie.
>Adamite
This doesn't exist. The Bible treats all "humans" as descended from Adam and Noah without exception (Acts 17:26: “From one man he made every nation of mankind…”). “Adamite” as a special racial category isn’t in the Bible at all, Acts 17:26 says every single nation comes from one man (Adam). The Torah’s real distinction is covenantal and genealogical: Israelites (descended from Jacob) vs everyone else. An Israelite born in Egypt was 100% under the law; a Canaanite born inside the borders of Israel was still a gentile unless he converted. Paul’s “circumcision vs uncircumcision” = Jew vs gentile every single time he uses it (Rom 2:25–29, Gal 5:6, Col 3:11). He never once makes it about “born inside the land” or “Adamite blood.” That’s pure 20th-century CI fan-fiction.

>It doesn't, in fact. Thr original Samaritans were the northern tribes of Israel and therefore of the same stock as the Judeans.
The Samaritans themselves claimed descent from the northern tribes (2 Kings 17:24–41 says the Assyrians repopulated Samaria with foreigners who mixed with the remaining Israelites and adopted a syncretic Yahweh cult). Jews in Jesus’ day treated them as half-breeds and heretics (John 4:9, 20–22). Jesus uses a Samaritan as the hero of the parable precisely because they were despised outsiders to most Judeans.

> At the same time, the priesthood from the same place where the Judean man who got in the trouble (i.e. Jerusalem) wasn't his "neighbors", and there's no wonder, for they were likely the converted Edomites
That's not the reason why they ignored him. According to Jewish law, contact with a corpse or someone with severe bleeding could lead to ritual impurity. This would prevent the Levite from performing his duties or participating in Temple worship until a purification ritual was completed. Since the injured man was described as "half-dead," the Levite likely feared he was dead or would die soon and avoided him to maintain his ritual purity.

>Jesus corrects nobody in the chapter, he had a monologue not a dialogue.
Oh? Was he not speaking in front of Pharisees who literally taught “love your neighbor and hate your enemy” (which isn’t even in the Torah, it was their oral tradition)? Matthew 5:43, “You have heard that it was said…” is Jesus directly quoting and correcting the standard rabbinic interpretation of his day.

>Okay, whatever, still note that the Spartans read themselves the Scriptures
It is impossible for King Areus to have read their scriptures, he was a pagan.

>Verses 6-7, Jonathan states it. The very Jonathan I confused with Onias.
>My source is the bible
It isn't much of a reliable source. Besides, only the bible makes the claim.

>Appeal to authority logical fallacy.
That's not what the fallacy means.

And even if it is so, and the letter is fake, it doesn't refute my argument, the Judeans considered European Spartans to be a part of Israel.
>If the Jews see Spartans as kin, then they must see all Europeans as apart of Israel.
What leap of logic is this, lol? If Judeans considered Europeans to be apart of Israel, then why did they revolt against the Seleucid Empire and declare the Greeks as tyrannical/alien invaders?

>Wigger needs an academic authority to read, haha
>retard with shit grammar and spelling calling anyone a wigger
Ironic, but do you have proof to counter what I said?

>It literally states about many nations as parts of the ethnic Israel.
No biblical verse says that. The closest you might be twisting is stuff like Ephesians 2:12 or the “many nations” promise to Abraham (Gen 17:5), but Paul explains it as gentiles being grafted in spiritually, not becoming ethnic Israelites (Rom 11:17–24 – “you, a wild olive shoot, were grafted in among the others”). Ethnic Israel stays Israel; gentiles get included in the blessings without changing bloodlines.

>What a lier
It's 'liar'. Also, you're calling the apostle a liar? Not every Christian of you. Tipping towards atheism.

>False, you can't change your bloodline by your actions, the only thing that Paul stated is that "we made you Christian because you're of Abraham and the heirs of the promise" as it was wirtten in Galatians 3:29. How can a sheep become a goat and the vice versa?
Galatians 3:28–29 literally says: “There is neither Jew nor Greek… for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed (sperma), and heirs according to the promise.” Paul is explicitly saying gentiles become Abraham’s seed through faith, not blood. He says the exact same thing in Romans 4:11–16 and 9:6–8. You cannot cope when the facts are in-front of your face.

>There's no single hint of the faith making anyone a descendant of Abraham, the apostle just says that the faith is the way to inherit what was promised for the seed of Abraham. 
Bullshit, refer to Galatians 3:7, 29 and Romans 4:16 – Paul flat-out calls believing gentiles “children of Abraham” and “Abraham’s seed.” That’s spiritual descent language, not just sharing the prize.

>Pagans and gnostics with extremely poor knowledge of the Bible
I don't care what you think. If you refuse to acknowledge anyone besides Paul, then take his word here – he literally calls uncircumcised gentile believers “the circumcision” (Phil 3:3, Col 2:11) and says physical descent from Israel means jack without faith (Rom 2:28–29, 9:6–8). Your whole “bloodline can’t change” thing is the Judaizer position Paul curses out in Galatians.

>Aren't you the one who are saying "the Israelites are Jews, the Bible is jewish" huh?
You're referring to a different anon. The bible is Jewish and the Israelites are Semites. Nothing contradict me on this on what I believe or have said.

>Yet still the Founding Fathers believed it.
Citations needed, British-Israelism/Anglo-Israelism wasn't even invented until John Wilson published his lectures in 1840, and the full racial “lost tribes = white Europeans” version didn't blow up until Edward Hine in the 1870s. America was founded in 1776–1787. Your timeline is off by a century. Whether some deist Founding Fathers would have bought into a theory that literally didn't exist yet is irrelevant anyway.

>Considering the ancient Israelites to be Jewish is the same as considering the ancient Aryans of Sintashta to be Iranian. You're the delusional here, not me.
Claiming you're an Israelite while hating on Jews is peak delusion. The OT is full of the exact same flaws and behaviors you complain about in modern Jews: tribalism, usury, ritualism, infighting, getting kicked out of countries for being stiff-necked (read Deuteronomy 28–30, the prophets, etc.). CI just cherry-picks the blessings and pretends the curses only apply to “fake Jews.”

>Never happened.  Frankish wars on the pagan tribes were only held in case of them violently struggling the missionaries and the very Franks.
Charlemagne’s Saxon Wars (772–804) literally ended with the choice “baptism or death”, the Capitulatio de partibus Saxoniae prescribed the death penalty for refusing baptism or relapsing into paganism. The Royal Frankish Annals record mass executions (4,500 Saxons beheaded in one day at Verden, 782). That’s forced conversion by any definition.

>Don't treat me like a fool, I know it. It's been already noted that they all started to appear after the Apostles died.
Nice goal-post, nigger.
>You have a way too good opinion of the sects
>P.S. an average passage in the NT (Matthew 15):
>Hello I'm Jesus and I came for My sheep of Israel
>Hello too I'm a Greek woman and I just believed in You btw
>Yes I know now get your daughter healed
>What did He mean by this hmmm
Jesus literally says in that same chapter (Matt 15:24) “I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel”… and then immediately heals the Canaanite woman’s daughter because of her faith and praises her as having “great faith” (15:28). He’s showing that faith overrides the ethnic priority, exactly the point Paul later hammers home. 

Are you being retarded on purpose perhaps, or just some nigger who found himself on here?
P.S. You will never be a Jew.
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>>11625
There's no truthfulness in your posts in how you try to fit Christianity into your hateful worldview. There is no hope outside of Christ and you are blind and foolish for denying it. I don't know who hurt you but you're blaming the wrong thing.
>>11629
I'll engage with your argument because you seem to be more sincere. ZOG and Christian ideals are diametrically opposed because the ZOG is esoterically related to those among Israel who whore after the baals. I can't say what they worship exactly but Molech seems to be popular for the wannabe illuminati crowd. Whats important is that this group is what Revelation 3:9 refers to as the "Synagogue of Satan". Most people who identify as Jews today aren't aware of tha subgroup, and that "Synagogue of Satan" is happy to use those Jews as a smokescreen and a meatshield. The manipulations of that group are why we have oxymorons like "atheist jews." Whatever the specifics, ZOG knows God is real and they are dedicated to trying, in vain, to overthrow Him from His rightful place as the only proper object of religious worship. Anything the ZOG supports, regardless of how it seems to be at face value, is towards that end. Do you really want to end up working for them because you didn't really know what you believe in?
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>>11642
How can you be in denial about the fact that Z0G clearly loves christianity that's why they pay big money for it in all western shitmockcracies including Russia? In all these places where they arrest thousands of people for disagreeing with the narrative? 

If christianity was genuinely opposed to Z0G and if christianity posed any threat to their regimes, as with anything else they would NOT pay for it, they would NOT support it. 

Why can't you understand that if anyone is able to use your religion as an ideological battering ram to have people accept, total pacifism, multiculti, faggots, niggers, and trannies, it's clearly not a good religion, it's not good for a society and it's followers are dishonest ignorants without moral principles and personal responsibility. In comparison, pisslamist moon cult arab apes kill white people and eachother over minute disagreeances like their pedo prophet being drawn because they are not cucks and do have a sense of personal responsibility and follows the rules of it regardless of how shit their desert religion is. That's undeniably a big difference.
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>Acts 17:26
Paul was addressing the Greeks. No non-whites were implied. Also, the counter-argument is Hebrews 12:8. Not all are from Adam.
>Adamite as a special racial category
It is. It's used in the original Hebrew text to mark people who descend from Adam, fully or partially. See Strong's concordance for that.
>The Torah’s real distinction is covenantal and genealogical: Israelites (descended from Jacob) vs everyone else
The seed is according to the promise, not to the law. See 1 Peter 1:1, the European Galatians, Greeks and Romans of Anatolia are called the "scattered chosen", can't you notice?
>an Israelite from Egypt was 100% under the law
Yeah? because it's all about polytonyms, I might have confused it with demonyms before but now I'm clarifying it's about subjugation and relation to a community.

>Canaanite born inside of Israel was an outsider until converted
Converting the Canaanites was forbidden by God in the Scriptures and law though.

>Paul's docrtine of grafting unto the good olive tree was all about Jews VS Gentiles
The Gentile and Judean are polytonyms, they are not referred to the actual ethnicity. That's why you call the Jews, properly speaking, Jews. They are not the Israelites, they were integrated into their society and partially adopted their identity, that's why they call themselves "Judeans" because they were from the Roman province of Judea. The same way the Negroe became "Americans" after the integration in America.

>Modern Samaritans claim dey wuz de Israel
Yeah whatever genetically they are not.
>The Samaritans of Jesus' day were tretaed like half-breeds 
Wrong, there's no evidence for it in the verse you cited
>and heretics
Well, fair
>Jesus uses the Samaritan as a hero because they were hated by Judeans
They still were of the same blood. At the same time the replaced by Edomites priesthood wasn't classified as "your neighbor" by Him. 

>Was he not speaking in front of Pharisees?
Matthew 5:1. He was not.
>Jesus quotes the OT and corrects it
Yes, but He only clarifies it. Verses 23-24, the "enemy", or the "adversary"/"opponent" (verse 25) is meant to be your brother at first. It's an ingroup commandment.

>It was impossible to Areus to read the Scriptures
Even though the Septuagint already existed
>It wasn't the Spartans, again
Areus was the king of Sparta, sure it was them

>shitty grammar and spelling
I'm from Europe and English isn't my native language, I thought it was self-evident

>no biblical verse states that Israel is many nations
Isaiah 2:2-5
>Paul explains it as gentiles being grafted in spiritually, not becoming ethnic Israelites
No one can change their origin and it's already obvious, I'm not arguing this. The take is that you're already a heir of the promise, so you must believe. It's not that the faith would make you a son of Abraham, but that the faith is given to his sons and you, a European (racially), are one of them.
>Ethnic Israel stays Israel
Ethnic Israel is Israelites, not just "Judeans", keep in mind
>Gentiles only get included in the blessings
That still doesn't explain how they are the seed of Abraham, as Paul had said. While my point explains it very clear.

>Galatians 3:28-3:29 literally states there's neither Jew nor Greek!
Neither Judean nor Hellene. Those are demonyms, referring which community they belonged to. It's true that there's no difference between a German and an Englishman although they are viewed as different peoples, it's still that racially they're the same, therefore have an equal right to believe in Christ and be a part of His body.
>Paul directly says you're becoming a son of Abraham through faith
In the verse 29 he said that the Galatians "are now (the word "now" is absent in the translations for some reason) Christ's (i.e. the Apostles came to them to convert) because you're the seed of Abraham". There's no way the seed was spiritual, such hypothetical idioms simply didn't exist back then.

>Paul call the believing Gentiles "children of Abraham" because they believed!
He claimed their whole nations to be of Abraham, the faith is just an instrument for Abraham's descendants to reach the promises and come to the covenants. That you say about the seed being spiritual is a clear intellectual fraud, you only believe that because some retarded catholic latinx told you so.

>physical descent from Israel means nothing according to Paul
>Romans 2:28-29
The word Judean isn't an ethnonym, again. The Judean is that who subjugates himself to the Judean law, and since the law of Judea of that time was incomplete, and the Gospels are the completion of that Old Testament law, Paul says that devout Christians are the real "Judeans" for the Judean law was meant to be from God, and rejecting Christ is literally to reject the very God from which that very law comes.  
>Romans 9:6-8
In these verses it's said that Israel is all the sons of the promise given to Abraham, that's to say not only the physical Israelites of the OT were Israel. As it's also said in Genesis 35:
<11 And God said unto him, I am God Almighty: be fruitful and multiply; a nation (sic!) and a company of nations (sic! ×2) shall be of thee, and kings shall come out of thy loins;
So there difference Paul talked about is within Israel, between rhe circumcised Israel and the uncircumcised one, not between Israel and "le Gentiles".
>Your ideas are exactly what Paul curses out in Galatians
Paul curses out the carnal circumcision and the rituals, not what I'm replying to you with

>Citations needed
Okay, that's what Thomas Jefferson thought on this account:
<Be it enacted by the General Assembly, that marriages prohibited by the Levitical law shall be null [...] A marriage between a person of free condition and a slave, or between a white person and a negro, or between a white person and a mulatto, shall be null.
The FFs believed the Israelites were White. That's what really matters. As I have said before, it's not obligatory to be literally a son of Abraham, but a son of Adam, so you'd be included in the promises, as I already mentioned the line of Abraham-Isaac-Jacob just happened to be chosen by God to receive the primacy among all the "brethren", the "kinsmen according to the flesh", so it could represent them as a whole. 

>You can't hate Jews and adore the biblical Israel!
Jesus did so then why can't I? 
>The OT is full of the jewish things!..
The oral Torah you mean, yeah. Even the circumcision isn't the same, I wonder what you're even talking about after this
>...for example, tribalism
Racial ethnocentrism you mean? KEYED
>and usury!
The OT forbids usury against your kin 
>and ritualism
The lesson of the OT was that the rituals don't save and are irrelevant. That's why Jesus abolished the "deeds of the law", because faith actually helps you unlike a questionable ritual. You see, even modern denominational mainstream churches are into ritualism, which is notable. Well, no matter.
>and infighting 
It happens within every nation, be it a White nation or not. Remember the Puritans, or the Austro-Prussian war. That's bad but that's not exclusively Jewish.
>getting kicked out of countries for being stiff-necked
What would you have proposed then? To "wholesomely racemix" with the shitskins which captured them? Thanks but I'm happy for Europe that the Ashkenazim haven't integrated in our societies polluting our blood. I don't hate de joos for doing [le bad thing] I hate them for being non-white. 
>CI just cherry-picks the blessings and pretends the curses only apply to "fake Jews"
Erhm keyed? Would it be better for you if the Europeans were the cursed people huh? Anyways you actually see that the Israelites were also promised some not very pleasant things, for example, Deuteronomy 28:59-66, where it's foreseen the muslimslave trade of Whites across the Mediterranea and also the Justinianic plague. 

>MUH SAXON WARS
Yeah just war conflicts, people usually die a lot in ones, you know. So if Hitler started a war with Poland could it mean that he genocided polaks? Or any other European people. I know an analogy isn't a real argument but it kind of describes how retarded it sounds
>"baptism or death" 
A logical response to armed resistance to the state 
>Verden massacre
The chronicle says the Saxons surrendered the participants and the chiefs of the rebellion to be executed. This is not genocide, because the Saxons themselves helped kill other Saxons, not for any beliefs, but for armed uprising. It was an exclusive one-off action, besides all.

>Jesus lies when He says He's only sent to Israel and heals the Canaanite woman's daughter
Mark's Gospel contains information that the wkman was a Hellene, but from the region of Canaan (Syro-Phoenicia). 
>He helps racial aliens if they believe Him!
No, only His sheep can believe in Him (John 10:27), that's the punchline of the Matthew 15 — the non-Judean Greek woman appeared tl be His sheep too. 

>Are you being retarded on purpose perhaps, or just some nigger who found himself on here?
Some acquaintances recommended this chan to me some time ago, I've been reading the imageboard for three months although not very active. Just started talking what I'd like to discuss.
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This anon...
>>11647
>Paul was addressing the Greeks. No non-whites were implied
Paul literally opens Romans by saying the gospel is “for the Jew first and also for the Greek” (Rom 1:16), then spends three chapters proving that every human on the planet (Jew, Greek, Ethopian, Scythian, doesn’t matter) is guilty before God and needs Christ (Rom 3:9–23). He’s talking to literally everyone.

>It is. It's used in the original Hebrew text to mark people who descend from Adam, fully or partially.
No it isn't. The word was first used by CI. Not a ounce of the word is used in the Old Testament. Funny, because if you're so certain, then you could just easily show where it was ever used as a word.

>The seed is according to the promise, not to the law. See 1 Peter 1:1,
Funny how you're using 1 Peter 1:1 just to prove yourself wrong. 1 Peter 1:1 calls gentile believers in Asia Minor “elect exiles of the dispersion” and 1 Peter 2:9–10 calls them “a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation”, language straight out of Exodus 19:5–6 that was originally said to Israel. Peter is applying Israel titles to mostly gentile churches. Paul does the exact same thing in Galatians 6:16 when he calls the church “the Israel of God.” You just handed me the loaded gun and told me to shoot your argument with it. Thanks, retard. The seed is according to the promise (faith), and Peter rubs it in your face that European and Anatolian Gentiles are now the “scattered chosen” because of Jesus, not because they’re secret Israelites.

>he European Galatians, Greeks and Romans of Anatolia are called the "scattered chosen", can't you notice?
"Scattered" / "dispersion" (diaspora in Greek) was classic Jewish lingo for Israelites scattered outside Judea after the Babylonian exile. But Peter slaps it on churches in northern Asia Minor (modern Turkey), areas that were overwhelmingly Gentile turf. These weren't Jewish strongholds; they were Roman provinces where Paul planted mostly Gentile churches (Acts 13–14 for Galatia, etc.). Peter knew that – he was in on the Gentile mission (Acts 15). Why call them "scattered chosen"? Because Peter (like Paul) is stealing Old Testament Israel titles and giving them to any Christians, Jew or Gentile. Check 1 Peter 2:9–10: "But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation... Once you were not a people, but now you are God’s people." That's straight from Exodus 19:5–6 and Hosea 2:23 – originally for Israel, now for former pagans. The audience was mostly Gentiles facing Roman persecution, not secret white Israelites. Verses like 1 Peter 1:18 ("futile ways inherited from your forefathers") and 4:3 ("past life of debauchery, lusts, drunkenness, orgies") scream ex-pagans, not Torah-keeping Jews.

>Yeah? because it's all about polytonyms, I might have confused it with demonyms before but now I'm clarifying it's about subjugation and relation to a community.
You just made up a brand-new word (“polytonyms”) that doesn’t exist in any Greek lexicon, any biblical commentary, or any scholarly article ever written. Paul and Peter keep hammering the point that these people were 100% outsiders by birth, no Israelite blood, no circumcision, no law, nothing, and now they’re full members of God’s people through faith alone. Just admit the New Testament smashes your position instead of inventing fake Greek words nobody ever used until five seconds ago.

>Converting the Canaanites was forbidden by God in the Scriptures and law though.
And yet Jesus did it (Canaanite woman in Matt 15:21–28 gets called “great faith” and healed). And the Torah itself allows Canaanites to convert and become full Israelites if they accept circumcision and the covenant (see Rahab the Canaanite in Joshua 6 + her place in Jesus’ own genealogy in Matt 1:5, or the mixed multitude that left Egypt in Exodus 12:38). The ban was on intermarriage with unrepentant idolaters, not on genuine converts.

>The Gentile and Judean are polytonyms, they are not referred to the actual ethnicity. That's why you call the Jews, properly speaking, Jews. They are not the Israelites, they were integrated into their society and partially adopted their identity, that's why they call themselves "Judeans" because they were from the Roman province of Judea.
You’re doing pure word-salad cope. Ἰουδαῖος (Ioudaios) in the NT literally means “Jew / Judean” and is used for ethnic/religious descendants of Israel, exactly the same way it’s used in the Septuagint, Josephus, Philo, and every other 1st-century source (John 4:9, Acts 2:5, Romans 1:16, 2:28–29, 3:1, 9–11). Paul constantly contrasts Ἰουδαῖος with Ἕλλην / ἔθνος (Greek / Gentile) as two real, mutually exclusive ethnic-religious categories (Romans 1:16, Galatians 2:14, Colossians 3:11). If “Jew” just meant “anybody who lived in Judea,” these contrasts make zero sense. 
>The same way the Negroe became "Americans" after the integration in America.
The “Negroes became Americans” analogy is retarded.
Being an American citizen is a political/legal status you can acquire now thanks to the American Civil War and kikes. Being a Jew in the 1st century (or an Israelite in the OT) was a genealogical + covenant identity. That’s why Ruth the Moabite has to say “your people shall be my people, and your God my God” and still gets listed as a Moabite in Jesus’ genealogy. That’s why Paul can brag he’s “of the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew of Hebrews” (Phil 3:5). Blood + covenant, not just address. Your own theory self-destructs. If modern Jews are just “random integrated people” and not real Israelites, then Jesus (born in Bethlehem, raised in Nazareth, called “King of the Jews” on the cross) was also a “fake Judean” under your definition. Congrats, you just made Jesus not an Israelite either. Stop inventing fake Greek terms and fake biblical history. Ἰουδαῖος means Jew, Ἕλλην means Greek/Gentile, and Paul spends entire letters proving those categories don’t matter anymore in Christ. Your racial midwit fan-fiction isn’t in the text.

>Yeah whatever genetically they are not.
“Yeah whatever genetically they are not” is the ultimate cope. Paul never once appeals to genetics, DNA, or “secret Israelite blood” to decide who’s in or out. He literally says the exact opposite in Romans 2:28–29: “A person is not a Jew who is one only outwardly… but a Jew is one inwardly, by circumcision of the heart.”
You said in your previous post that you will only listen to Paul, but here you are opposing Paul and calling him a liar.

>Wrong, there's no evidence for it in the verse you cited
It's literally what the bible says on John 4:9, 20–22, atheist.

>They still were of the same blood. At the same time the replaced by Edomites priesthood wasn't classified as "your neighbor" by Him.
John 4:9 – “Jews have no dealings with Samaritans.”
John 8:48 – Calling someone a Samaritan was the ultimate racial/religious insult.
Josephus (Antiquities 9.288–291; 11.340–347) says they were descendants of Assyrian colonists mixed with the few remaining northern Israelites and that real Jews despised them as foreigners.
Keep coping retard.

>Matthew 5:1. He was not.
You're like a tranny who denies reality that he will never be a women. Matthew 5:1–2: “Seeing the crowds, he went up on the mountain, and when he sat down, his disciples came to him. And he opened his mouth and taught them…” Then verses 21–48: six straight times “You have heard that it was said… but I say to you…”

>Yes, but He only clarifies it. Verses 23-24, the "enemy", or the "adversary"/"opponent" (verse 25) is meant to be your brother at first. It's an ingroup commandment.
Matthew 5:43–48 (read the whole thing, not just cherry-picked words like a typical christcuck: 
<“You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’
But I say to you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. For he makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust. If you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? And if you greet only your brothers, what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same?”

>Even though the Septuagint already existed
The Septuagint (LXX) is the Greek translation of the Hebrew Bible that Jesus and the apostles quote all the time. In the LXX, Leviticus 19:18 is rendered: 
<ἀγαπήσεις τὸν πλησίον σου ὡς σεαυτόν, “You shall love your neighbor (plēsion) as yourself.”
Exactly the same word Jesus uses in Matthew 5:43 and Luke 10:27. Jesus quotes the exact Septuagint wording (“love your plēsion”) and then immediately smashes the oral tradition that limited it to the in-group by saying “but I say to you: love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you.” So the existence of the Septuagint proves Jesus is deliberately using the broadest possible Greek word for “neighbor” (plēsion = anyone near you, any human) and then expanding it even further to include literal enemies and persecutors.

>Areus was the king of Sparta, sure it was them
Areus was only a king. And the letters are forgeries. 

>I'm from Europe and English isn't my native language, I thought it was self-evident
No you aren't. Europeans aren't this retarded. And I've seen European ESLs and they often don't entirely fuck up their grammar and spelling for basic level English. Besides, CI is mostly an Anglo thing and is found nowhere else other than Britain and the United States. Unless you were groomed by retarded White nationalist Christians who forgot to inform you that they were lying to the whole time.

>Isaiah 2:2–5 is literally the worst verse you could pick to prove “Israel is NOT many nations.”
<“In the last days the mountain of the Lord’s house will be established… All the nations will stream to it,
many peoples will come and say, ‘Come, let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, to the house of the God of Jacob…’ …for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem.”
It’s a prophecy that all nations / many peoples (goyim and ‘ammim – the same words used for Gentiles everywhere) will join themselves to Israel’s God and Torah in the messianic age. They don’t become ethnic Israelites; they become part of the enlarged covenant community ruled from Jerusalem.

>No one can change their origin and it's already obvious, I'm not arguing this. The take is that you're already a heir of the promise, so you must believe. It's not that the faith would make you a son of Abraham, but that the faith is given to his sons and you, a European (racially), are one of them.
That’s the exact opposite of what Paul says in the verses you keep dodging.
Romans 4:13–17
Genesis 17:5
Galatians 3:7–9
Galatians 3:28–29
((( Saul ))) says God doesn’t care about your origin anymore – only faith.

>Ethnic Israel is Israelites, not just "Judeans", keep in mind
Cool story, but the New Testament itself uses “Israel” and “Jew/Judean” interchangeably all the time and repeatedly says ethnic Israel as a whole (not just the southern kingdom) is no longer the exclusive covenant people. Romans 11:25–26 – Paul literally says “a partial hardening has come upon Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in, and in this way all Israel will be saved.” He’s talking about ethnic Israel (the same Israel he spent Romans 9–11 crying over) and says their salvation now happens after and alongside the Gentiles coming in. The New Testament never once says “only pure-blood descendants of the northern tribes count and modern Jews are fake.”

>That still doesn't explain how they are the seed of Abraham, as Paul had said. While my point explains it very clear.
Paul explains exactly how Gentiles become the seed of Abraham — and it’s the opposite of your “secret bloodline” cope.
Galatians 3:26–29
Romans 4:16–17
Your version (“they were already the seed racially, faith is just proof”) is literally the Judaizer heresy Paul spends Galatians cursing (Gal 1:8–9). It’s the exact thing he calls “another gospel.” You’re not explaining Paul clearer, you’re preaching the false gospel Paul said is anathema. Paul’s words destroy your position in plain Greek.

>Neither Judean nor Hellene. Those are demonyms, referring which community they belonged to. It's true that there's no difference between a German and an Englishman although they are viewed as different peoples, it's still that racially they're the same, therefore have an equal right to believe in Christ and be a part of His body.
Paul literally uses Ἰουδαῖος (Jew) and Ἕλλην (Greek/Hellene) as ethnic/religious categories, not “demonyms of community membership” like “German vs Englishman.” Proof from Paul’s own mouth:
Romans 1:16
Romans 2:9–10
Galatians 2:14 .
Colossians 3:11
If “Jew and Greek” were just “two white tribes like German vs Englishman,” Paul’s entire argument in Romans 1–3, Galatians 2–3, and Ephesians 2 collapses into nonsense. Why would Peter be afraid of “the circumcision party” if Jews and Greeks were racially identical and the only difference was which village they lived in?

>In these verses it's said that Israel is all the sons of the promise given to Abraham, that's to say not only the physical Israelites of the OT were Israel. As it's also said in Genesis 35:
ou just said the quiet part out loud and accidentally proved my point, not yours.
Refer to Romans 9:6–8, then Galatians 3:29. Genesis 35 changes nothing, it’s about Jacob’s name becoming Israel and his twelve physical sons. Paul quotes the exact same passage in Romans 9 and says physical descent from those sons is no longer what counts. You literally just confessed that the NT redefines “Israel” and “seed of Abraham” in a non-physical, faith-based way… then pretended that somehow still supports your White-people-only theory.

>Paul curses out the carnal circumcision and the rituals, not what I'm replying to you with
No, Paul curses the exact thing you’re doing, making physical descent the deciding factor. Read the verses right before the “let him be accursed” line on Galatians 1:6–9. And then refer to the the very verse that kills every White nationalist Christian's delusion that their faith was ever exclusive for the White man, Galatians 3:28–29.


>Okay, that's what Thomas Jefferson thought on this account: Be it enacted by the General Assembly, that marriages prohibited by the Levitical law shall be null [...] A marriage between a person of free condition and a slave, or between a white person and a negro, or between a white person and a mulatto, shall be null. The FFs believed the Israelites were White. That's what really matters. As I have said before, it's not obligatory to be literally a son of Abraham, but a son of Adam, so you'd be included in the promises, as I already mentioned the line of Abraham-Isaac-Jacob just happened to be chosen by God to receive the primacy among all the "brethren", the "kinsmen according to the flesh", so it could represent them as a whole.
1. Thomas Jefferson was a deist who literally cut the resurrection and all miracles out of the New Testament with a razor blade. He denied the divinity of Christ, the Trinity, and the inspiration of Scripture.
Quoting him as an authority on what Christians should believe is like quoting Richard Dawkins on the real meaning of the Quran.
2. The Founding Fathers were not Christian Identity.
George Washington: took communion in an Anglican (later Episcopal) church that taught replacement theology.
John Adams: Unitarian who called the Trinity “abracadabra.”
James Madison: studied under Presbyterian John Witherspoon but never claimed Europeans were the ten lost tribes.
Benjamin Franklin: printed Jewish prayer books and donated to synagogues.
None of them ever taught or hinted that white people were literal Israelites and Jews were fake Edomites. That idea didn’t exist until John Wilson in 1840, sixty-four years after the Declaration of Independence.
3. Your new spin (“you don’t have to be a son of Abraham, just a son of Adam”) is straight-up 19th–20th-century CI damage control after the “lost tribes = Europeans” theory got George Floyd knee'd by history and biblical scriptures.
4. Paul explicitly destroys the “primacy among brethren” idea you’re smuggling in:
<Romans 3:29–30 – “Or is God the God of Jews only? Is he not the God of Gentiles also? Yes, of Gentiles also.” 
<Romans 11:17–24 – Gentiles are wild olive shoots grafted into the same tree, not “already part of the tree because of secret Adamic blood.” 
<Ephesians 2:19 – Gentile believers are no longer “strangers and aliens” but “fellow citizens with the saints.”
Sounds like Paul was a communist!
You’re quoting an anti-Trinitarian deist who rejected the resurrection to prop up a racial theory that didn’t exist until the 19th century and that the actual apostles would have called another gospel worthy of a double curse (Galatians 1:8–9).
Jefferson isn’t an apostle.
The Founding Fathers didn’t write the Bible.
Your theory is still dead.
Stop moving the goalposts.

>Jesus did so then why can't I?
Jesus never hated Jews for being Jews. He was a Jew, his disciples were Jews, his audiences were Jews, he wept over Jerusalem (Luke 19:41), and he said “salvation is from the Jews” (John 4:22). He called out hypocrisy, corruption, and false teaching in the leadership, exactly like Jeremiah, Amos, and Isaiah did centuries earlier. Calling that “hating Jews” is the same retarded logic as saying Jeremiah hated Israelites because he called them whores and stiff-necked.

>The oral Torah you mean, yeah. Even the circumcision isn't the same, I wonder what you're even talking about after this
The written Torah literally commands circumcision on the eighth day (Genesis 17:10–14, Leviticus 12:3). Jesus himself was circumcised (Luke 2:21). Paul circumcised Timothy (Acts 16:3). The “deeds of the law” Paul attacks are using circumcision and Torah observance as a salvation requirement or a racial superiority marker, exactly what you’re doing right now.

>Racial ethnocentrism you mean? KEYED
The prophets condemn Israel’s racial pride over and over (Isaiah 65:2–5, Jeremiah 9:23–26, Amos 9:7, <“Did I not bring Israel up from Egypt and the Philistines from Caphtor and the Syrians from Kir?”. 
God literally tells Israel they’re no better than Ethiopians in his eyes. This is the exact attitude the OT curses. Your God literally says he sees no difference between a White man and a nigger. The NT despises tribalism, which they would include racism as a form of it.

>The OT forbids usury against your kin
And Jesus expands it to “lend expecting nothing in return” even to enemies (Luke 6:35). Paul says owe no one anything except to love one another (Romans 13:8).

>The lesson of the OT was that the rituals don't save
Exactly. And the lesson of the NT is that race doesn’t save either. You replaced one works-righteousness (rituals) with another (pure White DNA) and somehow think you’re more biblical. You’re not.

>It happens within every nation
Cool, so when Jews infight it’s proof they’re evil, but when Whites have thirty-years wars, brother wars, and Protestant vs Catholic massacres it’s just “happens in every nation.” Even today I've see White Christians using most of their anger to cause infighting over religion than when a nigger murdering a White person in cold blood.

>What would you have proposed then? To "wholesomely racemix" with the shitskins
You're not one of us, nigger. But, they got kicked out of Canaan multiple times for idolatry and injustice, not for refusing to race-mix. Read the prophets, it’s always idolatry, oppressing the poor, bloodguilt, and false weights. Race-mixing is mentioned like twice and only when tied to Baal worship.

>I hate them for being non-white
Weird to hate yourself. The NT literally transheart niggers.
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>CI just cherry-picks the blessings… Erhm keyed?
>CI just uses Christianity as toilet paper
That's the only thing based here, but with this mentality is why no one takes CI seriously and even the dumbest of nigger priests could defeat a CI-tard in a theological debate.

>MUH SAXON WARS
>Yeah just war conflicts, people usually die a lot in ones, you know. So if Hitler started a war with Poland could it mean that he genocided polaks? Or any other European people. I know an analogy isn't a real argument but it kind of describes how retarded it sounds
>A logical response to armed resistance to the state
t. Jew
>The chronicle says the Saxons surrendered the participants and the chiefs of the rebellion to be executed. This is not genocide, because the Saxons themselves helped kill other Saxons, not for any beliefs, but for armed uprising. It was an exclusive one-off action, besides all.
They were 33 years of Charlemagne rolling through Saxony burning every Irminsul, drowning men in rivers for refusing baptism, and literally passing a law that said:
Capitulatio de partibus Saxoniae (785 AD):
Refuse baptism → death
Eat meat during Lent → death
Cremate your dead like your ancestors → death
Plot against Christianity → death
Then in 782 at Verden he beheaded 4,500 Saxon nobles in a single day because they rebelled after being told “convert or die.”
The Royal Frankish Annals brag about it like it’s a high score. That’s not “war, people die.” That’s deliberate, systematic religious extermination of Germanic pagan identity.
You’re telling me that if a Muslim caliph did the exact same thing to Germans (forced conversion, mass executions for keeping old customs, destroying sacred oaks), you’d call it “just war, bro, happens”?
You’d be screaming about genocide and the death of Europe for the next thousand years.
But when it’s a Christian emperor doing it to your actual pagan ancestors, suddenly it’s “muh just war conflicts.”
Pick a lane, faggot.
The second you admit Charlemagne was a race-traitor who murdered his own folk to shove a Semitic desert religion down their throats, the whole “Christianity is the White man’s religion” LARP collapses.
He wasn’t preserving Europe; he was the first globalist enforcer.
Our ancestors bled out in rivers so some Frankish warlord could get a pat on the head from the Pope.
Own it or drop the double standard. You don’t get to cry about vikings rape and pillages while cheering Verden 782 (which FYI, the viking raids were a response to what happened in Verden).

>Mark's Gospel contains information that the wkman was a Hellene, but from the region of Canaan (Syro-Phoenicia). 
You just admitted the Canaanite woman was a racial alien (Greek, Syro-Phoenician, not a drop of Israelite blood) and Jesus still healed her daughter because she showed faith. That’s the entire point of the story and it nukes your position from orbit. 
He didn’t check her 23andMe.
He didn’t say “actually you’re a lost tribe Scythian.”
He didn’t say “only Israelites can have faith.”
He heard faith from a literal Canaanite "dog" and rewarded it on the spot.

>No, only His sheep can believe in Him (John 10:27), that's the punchline of the Matthew 15 — the non-Judean Greek woman appeared tl be His sheep too. 
Exactly.
She was a non-Judean, Greek, Syro-Phoenician Canaanite, zero Israelite blood, zero covenant, zero circumcision, descendant of the very people God told Israel to exterminate.
And Jesus looked at her, heard her faith, and said “great is your faith” and healed her daughter instantly.
That means:
His sheep are not defined by race or blood.
A literal racial alien became one of His sheep the moment she believed.
Faith alone made a Canaanite dog into one of the flock, right in front of the disciples.
You can’t say “only His sheep can believe” and then admit a Canaanite became a sheep because she believed,  that’s admitting faith creates the sheep status, not the other way around.
John 10:16, Jesus literally says right after the “my sheep hear my voice” passage:
“I have other sheep that are not of this fold [meaning not ethnic Israel]. I must bring them also, and they will listen to my voice.”
He’s talking about Gentiles, you absolute midwit.
Matthew 15 is Jesus proving John 10:16 in real time: a Canaanite hears His voice, believes, and boom, she’s now one of the “other sheep.”

>Some acquaintances recommended this chan to me some time ago
You should fuck off from where you came from. You must be White and your IQ must be over 100 to post here.

You spent this entire thread doing exactly what you claim to hate: you put the Jews on a pedestal as the sole arbiters of who’s “real Israel,” then frantically tried to prove whites are secretly the real Jews so you can steal their birthright. You don’t hate Jews. You worship them. You’re the biggest Judaizer in the room, desperately LARPing as the “true chosen people” while kissing the Talmudic ass you pretend to spit on. Every time you scream “we wuz real Israelites,” you validate the very Jewish exceptionalism you claim to reject. You’re not debunking them; you’re auditioning to replace them. Congrats, Schlomo.
You hate Jews so much you became the most obsessed philo-Semite on the board. Your whole ideology is just Judaism for failed Aryans. Go light some candles for your real god: Jewish chosenness. You never left the synagogue; you just painted a swastika on the door, retard.
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>They were 33 years of Charlemagne rolling through Saxony burning every Irminsul, drowning men in rivers for refusing baptism, and literally passing a law that said:
>Capitulatio de partibus Saxoniae (785 AD):
>Refuse baptism → death
>Eat meat during Lent → death
>Cremate your dead like your ancestors → death
>Plot against Christianity → death
>Then in 782 at Verden he beheaded 4,500 Saxon nobles in a single day because they rebelled after being told “convert or die.”
>The Royal Frankish Annals brag about it like it’s a high score. That’s not “war, people die.” That’s deliberate, systematic religious extermination of Germanic pagan identity.
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Christian monarchy was a mistake in the long run too.
The English Civil War captures in spirit everything wrong with Matthew 10:34-36:
>Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. And a person's enemies will be those of his own household.
Here you have a scenario where all Christian men are against each other, and tbh all are loyal to Christ the King -- but not King Charles I the King (not even Charles I himself is loyal unto his own kingdom by this point, but all the others unto Christ's Kingdom) -- and in the end they're all enemies unto their own household or kingdom / nation.
Realizing this, not even the pretense of Christianity's sanctions for monarchy really hold up well for monarchy: it is all nullified by the inconvenience that these people are in all honesty made a bastard people by Christianity: people who only regard the pews of the Church as their Kingdom, and people who only regard Christ the King as their true King:
In the end, it is the Christian Monarchies that are ultimately being cucked out by cuckoo birds (The Church) into feeding into this other King of the Jew's cuckoo eggs and raising the subjects to only regard -that- King and disregard their own sense of identity and attachment to them as proper Kings:
Because not only is Christianity indifferent to the fate of their Kingdoms (as we've come to see), but even hostile if they should pick up such a cause and lead--only cherishing from the pulpit either the Church henchmen like Charlemagne who did the dirty work or the martyrs (*who paid the price for being too Christian in all honesty). --Christianity rewards nothing more than for a King to give up and effectively destroying his own kingdom for Christ's sake--and it sows the seeds of a kind of apathy in this end that is a total disservice to these cucked Christian royalty with their King of the Jews cuckoo eggs and letting their people be a new generation of cuckoo people who neither care for their nation nor their king really at hearts but rather for the church and cuckoo king.
What is there to show for it? Now people don't even believe the miracles and all there is left is maybe pity for Nicholas II being shot but even true Christians then are most indifferent like I said and I think that indifference is responsible for cuckoo Christian monarchies downfall (if people were raised with more loyalty towards them instead like a flock of cuckoo birds, I'd imagine so).
Just have to agree with Hobbes' Leviathan at how awful the trade off is and how High Church is really in the end working against their Monarchy.
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I am content to watch Christianity deteriorate (because I am fed up).
Only Christianity won't likely fall into obscurity, even if it is effectively neutered and limping about.
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>>11653
>The English Civil War captures in spirit everything wrong with Matthew 10:34-36
>Here you have a scenario where all Christian men are against each other, and tbh all are loyal to Christ the King -- but not King Charles I the King (not even Charles I himself is loyal unto his own kingdom by this point, but all the others unto Christ's Kingdom) -- and in the end they're all enemies unto their own household or kingdom / nation.
Funny for you to mention this particular period, because the English Civil War (1642–1651) is literally Matthew 10:34–36 on a national scale, and it’s one of the most brutal proofs that Christianity can turn brother against brother faster and more viciously than any other ideology in European history. Royalists (mostly Anglican, high-church, loyal to the divinely-appointed king) vs. Parliamentarians (mostly Puritan/Calvinist, convinced they were God’s elect fighting Antichrist) Neighbours denouncing neighbours for “popish” Christmas decorations or “blasphemous” prayer-book use Families split: Prince Rupert vs. his own cousin Prince Maurice on opposite sides, fathers and sons killing each other at Edgehill and Naseby Cities and villages torn apart by which Bible verses you thought justified rebellion or monarchy 7–10 % of the adult male population dead in England alone (proportionally worse than World War I) It wasn’t about race, land, or money at the core; it was about whose interpretation of Christ was the true one and who got to force it on everyone else with pike and musket. That war is the perfect real-world illustration of “I came not to bring peace, but a sword.” Christianity didn’t just divide households; it turned an entire White, Anglo-Saxon nation into a blood-soaked slaughterhouse over theology. 
Christians never shut up about how pagans were too “tribal” and “disunified” to stand against Rome… then they finally get their perfect One God, One Church, One Book dream, and immediately start butchering each other on a scale that makes pre-Christian tribal squabbles look like a playground scuffle.
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>>11657
Rome never conquered northern Germanic tribes, christianity did from top down, Clovis and onwards.

Clovis back-stabbing his pagan allies and saying he dindu nuffin to the ripuarians at cologne, then proceeded to attack other tribes for jew gold. ("kill your dad who is allied to me, i'll be on your side and you can have jew gold" *kills his dad* "lol die retard" (tbf guy was retarded) "Citizens, I would never kill an ally king that's wrong! but I will lead you now because I am good guy, btw we are all christian now, don't like it? you die, now go kill pagans."
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>Paul was addressing anyone on the eath, be it a Jew, a Greek, an Ethiopian, a Scythian, doesn't matter
No Ethiopians were mentioned by Paul in his epistles, you're just lying. All other nations besides the Ethiopians were sure White (the "Jews" in the epistles only mean those of circumcision, the Judeans, which was a polytonym).

>Adamite isn't a real word
Strong's Concordance H120, H121. The name of Adam was indeedly used as a name for a group of people.

>Peter says that the Christian faith makes you a part of Israel, so does Paul
What kind of slander! Paul says in Galatians 3 that the fact Abraham believed God made th White Gentiles a part of his seed, not that your personal faith allegedly makes you a heir of the promise. It's just nonsensial supersessionism! Yes I know most Christians really follow that doctrine but who cares if it's not biblical? This applies to Peter as well — he never "stole" the identity of Israel by extension of the ethnonym on the Gentiles. These very "Gentiles" are those who are uncircumcised, who were mostly not of Abraham directly. The "Jews", or "Judeans", the Apostles talk so much about, are those who were mostly of Abraham directly, and circumcised. They had never implied that either of them are not considered the seed. Their message was that they are the same, the same seed, having the same father-patriarch (whether nominal or physical), and having the same destiny because of the same origin from Adam. Again, those whom Paul and Peter addressed to were a RACE, the race that was ELECTED, it's not like someone elects Jesus and this makes him a part of the aforementioned "chosen race of elects".

>You just made up a brand-new word (“polytonyms”) that doesn’t exist in any Greek lexicon, any biblical commentary, or any scholarly article ever written. 
The fact I'm citing it literally must make you think about it for a while. Just imagine the level of your retardation. The word "polytonym" characterizes the terms we're discussing. For example, "German", "American", "British" can be politonyms, but they can also be ethnonyms. You see, the Negroes of America aren't really related to the White, real Americans, but still being called "[Afro-]Americans". I'm just saying that "Gentile" isn't even an ethnonym to use it the way you're using it, as if it was some kind of an ethnical category outside of the talmudic literature.
>Paul and Peter keep hammering the point that these people were 100% outsiders by birth, 
By birth in a different community, society, not in a different race.
>no Israelite blood
All representatives of the same race have the same blood, so it doesn't make any difference if you're a Saxon or an Israelite or a Hellene, in the end, you all are legitimate descendants of Adam and belong to the same group of people.
>no circumcision,
Just a ritual
>no law,
Actually, it's mentioned in their epistles they were under the law. Galatians 3, the exact verse I don't remember.
>nothing, and now they’re full members of God’s people
Of God's Body, of His community/congregation/whatever you call it. It's unifying the people that are already his members, but aren't linked yet.
>through faith alone. 
Faith helps connect the people which it was given to, and unites the body of the Lord, rather than creating body parts for Him out of nowhere like a 3D printer.
>Just admit the New Testament smashes your position instead of inventing fake Greek words nobody ever used until five seconds ago
This "conclusion" only shows how ignorant are you. You can't even tell what I'm standing for and what is my point, it'd be a buffoonery to continue this circus performance as if you could do anything but clowning around and refuting things that were never stated by me.
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>No Ethiopians were mentioned by Paul in his epistles, you're just lying. All other nations besides the Ethiopians were sure White (the "Jews" in the epistles only mean those of circumcision, the Judeans, which was a polytonym).
First off, Paul absolutely mentions Ethiopians, or at least their stand-in equivalent, in Romans 16:13: "Greet Rufus, chosen in the Lord; also his mother, who has been a mother to me as well." Early church tradition (from folks like Origen and the Muratorian Fragment) straight-up identifies Rufus' mom as the widow of the Ethiopian eunuch from Acts 8:26–40, the black African dude who gets baptized by Philip after reading Isaiah on the Gaza road. That's not "lying", that's connecting the dots in a letter Paul wrote to a mixed Roman church full of ex-slaves and foreigners. If you're too dense to count that as an Ethiopian shoutout, fine, but it's there, black and proud. 
Second, Paul name-drops zero nations as "sure White" because he's not writing a 23andMe fanfic, he's preaching to a Roman Empire packed with every skin tone from Celtic ginger to Nubian midnight. His churches? Romans (Italians), Corinthians (Greeks), Galatians (Celtic tribes in Anatolia), Philippians (Macedonians), Ephesians (mixed Greeks/Asians), Colossians (Phrygians). They're White, sure, if you ignore the Syrian Arabs, Egyptian Copts, Ethiopian converts, and North African Berbers slinging fish sauce in those same ports. The empire was a racial gumbo, and Paul brags about converting the lot: "Barbarian, Scythian, slave, free" (Col 3:11). Scythians were steppe nomads from Ukraine to Iran, but the point is Paul doesn't give a fuck about your skin chart; he says they're all one in Christ. And your "Jews = only circumcised Judeans (polytonym)" bullshit? That's peak midwit word salad that you've yet proven is a real word from the bible.

>Strong's Concordance H120, H121. The name of Adam was indeedly used as a name for a group of people.
H120 is just אָדָם = “man / mankind / human.” It’s used for every human from Cain to Pharaoh’s daughter. It is NEVER a racial category in the entire Tanakh. You’re literally doing the same Talmudic word-game you claim to hate: taking a generic word and turning it into a secret bloodline marker. Congrats, rabbi.

>Galatians 3
You keep quoting Galatians 3 while pretending it says the exact opposite of what it says.
<Verse 7: “Those who have faith are children of Abraham.”
<Verse 26: “In Christ Jesus you are all children of God through faith.”
<Verse 28: “There is neither Jew nor Greek… you are all one in Christ Jesus.”
<Verse 29: “If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed.”
<The order is crystal-clear: faith → become Abraham’s seed.
Your order (“you were already Abraham’s seed, that’s why you have faith”) is the Judaizer heresy Paul curses twice in Galatians 1:8–9. You are literally preaching the false gospel that got anathematized. Own it.

>Polytonym
You invented a word that has never appeared in any Greek text, any lexicon, any scholarly article, ever. It’s fan-fiction. “American” is a citizenship, not a bloodline and never considering the fact that Europeans from all across the globe could immigrate there not just Anglos (which would make citizenship truly a bloodline). “Jew” and “Greek” in Paul are blood-and-covenant categories, not zip codes.

>All the nations Paul wrote to were white and secretly Israel
Do you honestly hear yourself. Nigger babble is more comprehensive. Already debunked this as complete bullshit, but continue to not address any of what I said. I'm just laughing at you at this point at your desperation in wanting to be a descendant of a bunch of schizophrenic goat-fucking inbred retards.

>They were under the law — Galatians 3
Galatians 3 is Paul screaming at the top of his lungs that Gentile believers are NOT under the law and do NOT need circumcision. You are illiterate or lying. Honestly, I think its both.
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You know instead of pretending you've read the bible, you could just actually do some reading of the bible instead of trying to play pretend in being a Semite. Unless we're speaking to a Mossad agent because a-lot of dorks like you have been revealed to have origins in Israel.
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I've been in the belly of the beast for a long time with Christian monarchists.
I've come out thinking Christian monarchy is really cucked in the end.
You'd think it wouldn't be so: In the best case scenario, wouldn't Christianity benefit royalty? but lately for all it's worth, not really.
All Christianity does is furnish out monarchists for JC (King of the Jews) and royalty don't really get a share in it. Christian reactionaries honestly lose against the Revolutionaries time and time again because Christian apathy is one hell of a drug and they only come out in full force when they think JC is under attack (they have no attachment whatsoever to the King or his Kingdom but to JC and the Church).
At first, I had no idea: I assumed everyone else thought of it like I did. (I was wrong). I thought all the royalism was for Charles I and for his Kingdom and for being a family in the here and now: I was wrong--The only true royalism in Christian monarchy is for Christ the King.
The Cult of Jesus has hijacked the Imperial Cult of Roman Emperors like >>9845 and for that is said about the Divine Right of Kings... it is not all that great as it is hyped up to be--such an idea is easily pitted against the Kings themselves (like the Puritans or Catholics could easily discount it) and even the High Church Anglicans are struck with a Christian apathy towards their particular Kingdom.  --For a while, in spite of all this, I held out on the idea that Christian monarchy still works...
...But after watching Royal Christians be received like Eunuchs and Revolutionary Leaders like Lenin or Mao be received like prophets, I've decided Christian monarchy has been outclassed and outgunned and wholly detracted from: Christian royalists wouldn't trust their own rulers to ride a horse and that's because in this day and age nobody really believes in Christianity and the Divine Right of Kings pales in comparison to Revolutionary Leaders that it isn't even funny as far as monarchies themselves are concerned.
At that point I've decided that even communists make better monarchists for their leaders than christian royalists their own. 
The ultimate problem with Christianity & Monarchy is like I say -- you're giving all your eggs to the Church and the Church swapping your eggs with Cuckoo eggs with no -real- loyalty or blood relationship with you in the end but instead to another King.
What is some hoary, age old tradition with some Victorian singing of "God save the King" compared to Mao Sailing the Seas Depends on the Helmsman? Christian royalists are low energy, they're weak, and at this point I'm not surprised they lost and the Tsar and his family shot because again with Christian apathy it is an uphill battle to motivate them and stir them up.
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So what do I think?
It is like striking a trade with a Cuckoo Bird. You give them more worms. In return, the Cuckoo Bird (The Church) takes away more of your eggs and replaces them with their Cuckoo eggs. The Cuckoo Chicks (Christians) hatch & are raised to be totally indifferent to you & your Nest for all that.
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The Cuckoo Bird in question is Christian conservatives for me.
Christian conservatives don't bring much of value back in return for pandering to them. In fact, they keep their loyalty wholly to another worldly Nest & preach to even disregard you & your Nest with contempt.
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"What miserable drones and traitors have I nurtured and promoted in my household who let their lord be treated with such shameful contempt by a low-born cleric"
- King Henry II
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In that case, the Japanese were right to persecute them: it is like letting cuckoo birds infiltrate your nest. 
In North Korea, they persecute Christian missionaries trying to leave behind Bibles and infiltrate their society and undermine the bond between the Leader and North Koreans (as if the Leader converted, it'd be the same scenario all over again with Cuckoo eggs).
The Christian missionaries are like Mind Flayers from Baldur's Gate 3.
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More & more I think this meme is true.
It went from Roman Imperial Cult to the King of the Jews.
My closing statement (with my frustration with Christian monarchy):
I don't tolerate the idea that people should be natives in the Church but foreigners in their own homeland; or, brothers & sisters in the Christ, but strangers to their own Leader or King.
It is cuckoo bird antics earthly kings suffer; what the Spirit of Thomas Becket evokes to me.
Nor that a King is only an ornamental stand-in for another King nor simply a High Church henchman who occasionally does the dirty work of smashing Church enemies--I deem a King to be very much King in their own right and fully received in that way.
I don't subscribe to this view as some Christian monarchists would have it--as it were that Christians are the only real people and Christ is the only real king.
It might even be incompatible with Christianity itself to say so, but so be it.
Nor that the only real heritage is the story of Old Testament Jews--which Christianity has grafted peoples and kings into--even the Jews, when they wanted a king, said they wanted one like the other nations.
Excellent dissertation anon. Since we're on the topic, what is the meaning and historical background of the saying "turn the other cheek"?
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Christianity did not collapse the West directly. It reprogrammed us to be incapable of survival by:

• universalizing guilt
• moralizing weakness
• teaching enemy-love
• demonizing hierarchy
• sacralizing the oppressed
• institutionalizing ressentiment
• decoupling morality from nature
• declaring natural instincts sinful
• encouraging indiscriminate altruism
• dismantling aristocratic virtue ethics
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Christianity is built on universal guilt:

“None is righteous, no not one.” (Romans 3:10)

And Jesus inverts natural hierarchy:

“The last will be first, and the first will be last.” (Matthew 20:16)
“The greatest among you will be your servant.” (Matthew 23:11)

Christian hierarchy isn’t aristocratic—it’s an upside-down, weakness-exalting order where slaves are kings and kings slaves.
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The phrase "turn the other cheek" comes from Jesus' Sermon on the Mount in the New Testament (Matthew 5:38-42), where he says: "You have heard that it was said, 'An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.' But I say to you, Do not resist the one who is evil. But if anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also." At its core, it's a call for non-retaliation and non-violent resistance in the face of personal insult or evil, emphasizing forgiveness, humility, and loving your enemies instead of seeking revenge. Jesus isn't promoting total pacifism or letting people abuse you endlessly, it's specifically about not escalating petty conflicts or personal offenses, and it's part of a broader teaching on radical ethics that flips the script on "eye for an eye" justice from the Old Testament. In practice, it's often seen as a form of subversive defiance: by turning the cheek, you expose the aggressor's injustice without stooping to their level, forcing them to confront their own actions. It's not about being a doormat; it's about moral high ground and de-escalation, influencing figures like Gandhi and Martin Luther King Jr. in non-violent activism. Honestly, though, it's one of the most debated and misused Bible verses, some take it as absolute pacifism (no self-defense ever), while others limit it to insults, not serious threats or wars. So it's contextual, not a blanket rule for every situation. As far as the history, this teaching dates to around 30-33 CE in Roman-occupied Judea, where Jesus was preaching to mostly Jewish audiences under 'harsh' imperial rule. The "eye for an eye" he's referencing is straight from the Old Testament (Exodus 21:24, Leviticus 24:20, Deuteronomy 19:21), which was Mosaic law meant to limit revenge to proportional justice, not encourage it. In the 1st-century context, a slap on the right cheek (specified in the Greek) implies a backhanded strike, something a superior (like a Roman soldier or master) would do to humiliate an inferior (a Jew or slave). Roman law allowed soldiers to strike civilians or force them to carry gear (hence the "go the extra mile" in the same passage). Turning the left cheek forces the slapper to use an open hand (treating you as an equal) or a fist (escalating to assault, which could get them in trouble), turning a moment of domination into one of exposure and resistance without violence. This was revolutionary in a time of Jewish zealot uprisings against Rome and Pharisaic legalism, Jesus was pushing a third way: not violent rebellion, not collaboration, but non-violence to undermine oppression. It spread through early Christianity, influencing pacifist sects, but got twisted over centuries into everything from Crusades justification (ignore it) , modern self-help (be nice), or the sort of mental retardation where Christians forgive their racial enemies who clearly wanted them dead.
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In real history, though, plenty of Christians took it way further and turned it into total pacifism or self-destructive weakness. 
>During the persecutions, some bishops handed over scriptures or incense-pinched under torture, then later the church had to figure out what to do with the “traditores” who cracked.
>Luther believed in the importance of the "two kingdoms", the spiritual and the temporal, and while he rejected the idea of Christians rising up in rebellion against secular authorities, he also believed that government had a role in maintaining order and peace. This meant that he did not endorse pacifism in the sense of "never fight back" but opposed violent uprisings. He did believe in obedience to secular authority, which is why he called on the princes to quash the peasants with military force. 
>Jehovah’s Witnesses and the Amish were persecuted for refusing to swear allegiance to the NSDAP or participate in military service as due to their own beliefs.
>Some Christians (Tertullian flips later, but others don’t) refused all military service even when the Roman empire was collapsing during the Late 2nd to 3rd century of the Roman Empire, and the results lead to entire legions of pagan recruits while Christians sat it out and got called traitors. 
>During the 410 CE sack of Rome, St. Augustine has to write City of God partly because pagans are screaming “your turn-the-other-cheek religion made us weak.”
>St. Stephen, the first Christian martyr, was stoned to death by a crowd for preaching Christianity and accusing the Jewish authorities of opposing the Holy Spirit. In the biblical account (Acts 7), Stephen does not resist or attempt to defend himself violently. Instead, he asks God to forgive those who are killing him, embodying the "turn the other cheek" principle that Jesus taught.
A more modern example
>During the Spanish Civil War many Christians, especially Catholic priests and nuns, were killed for their faith. In some cases, these individuals were executed by anti-Catholic militias who saw the Church as part of the conservative establishment. Some Catholic martyrs during this period chose to die for their faith rather than take up arms to defend themselves, aligning with the pacifist values of Jesus' teachings on nonviolence. These individuals often refused to take up arms and instead accepted their fate, living out their faith in pacifism to the very end.

The original tactic Jesus taught was also used by the worst of bunch to bring about racial equality (Gandhi and MLK), but when people stretched it into “never fight back ever, no matter what,” it turned into exactly the slave morality Nietzsche roasted: a psychology that glorifies weakness and calls it virtue. A lot of Christians downstream turned it into self-inflicted cuckoldry and got steamrolled because of it.
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>100% of the bible 0,3% of the population
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>>11676
This is why I roll my eyes in exasperation whenever I hear the stupid /k/ope that "The armed forces would never! They'll rise up and overthrow the government any day now!" If they haven't done so in almost a century, they never will.
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>>11677
The /k/ope is more than the lower enlisted and even some COs would desert if ordered to kill their own countrymen. That share becomes less and less each day, but I'm sure some would.
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Of all the outlandish bits of nonsense I read on internet over the years, the following one ranks very high.

https://thulesociety.com/blog/has-the-11th-crusade-already-started/

>As the popularity of Islam began to really take off among the Arab Tribes, these tribes were soon attacked by a great army of Jews who were endeavoring to destroy this new religion. The Jews were themselves decisively defeated in battle, so to escape total annihilation, they falsely converted to Islam.
>These Early Converso (Crypto-Jew) types began to clandestinely bring many Jewish concepts into the original and pure form of Islam. One of these devious crypto-Jews who was supposedly a former Rabbi, wormed his way into Mohammed’s inner circle by masquerading as a devout Muslim, this former Rabbi then poisoned Mohammed and stole his identity. This rotten crypt-Jew was able to get away with this heinous crime because few of Mohammad’s followers outside of his immediate inner circle actually knew what he looked like and sounded like. After murdering the real Mohammad, this Jewish False Prophet then began to change the very nature of Islam in order to transform it into something that was bloody-minded in a way that it was never intended to be.

So Mohammad's inner circle didn't nootice anything? His Friends? Wife? Hello? You're just as good to say that the impostor was a reptilian shapeshifter at this point. I can't stand these cucks shilling for muh islam. All these Abrahamic cults are crap and the only variants of Islam that seem vaguely palatable are only so because they inserted non-Muslim non-sandniggerish elements into themselves and are often practiced by people who are not racially as screwed as the typical piss drinkers dedicated to fucking goats behind the dunes.
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Isn't the ((( gub ))) deebly goncerned by statistics pretending that close to a quarter of the soldiers in the army have gone nordo-pagan?
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Maybe, idk. The main point of deeb goncern is simple tribalism that occurs in all multicultural empires. In the case that each race or ethnicity has more loyalty to that identity than to the overall hierarchy, discipline and order breaks down. If a given country's armed forces consist of many marginal ethnic groups and religions, the rates of insubordination, desertion, and defection/friendly fire increase especially when mobilized against people who may share a tribe with some of the troops.
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https://www.thecut.com/article/what-to-know-about-the-balenciaga-ad-scandal.html
> By Danya Issawi and Danielle Cohen
>Both campaigns quickly became a conservative talking point and sparked conspiracy theories.
>Right-wing conspiracy theorists also latched on to and circulated photos taken out of context from the Instagram account of stylist Lotta Volkova that portray scenes of violence and satanic images.
>And now, the brand has officially found its way back into Kardashian’s heart and closet — which, according to a new campaign video, holds 129 Balenciaga bags. In January of 2024, Kardashian announced via Instagram Stories that she’d signed on as a brand ambassador, praising Demna’s “innovative approach to design” and “commitment to doing what’s right.”
Nothing more than right-wing conspiracies.
Damage control successful. Moving on.
Vid rel is interesting. Sure, the whole "Baal enci aga" was incorrect.
https://leadstories.com/hoax-alert/2022/12/fact-check-baal-enci-aga-is-not-latin-for-baal-is-the-king.html
>Fact Check: 'Baal Enci Aga' Is NOT Latin For 'Baal Is The King' -- But Google Translate Can Be Tricked Into Saying It Is
>Does the misspelled, separated name of fashion house Balenciaga as "Baal enci aga" translate to "Baal is the king" in Latin? No, that's not true: The claim arises from bugs in Google Translate. In Latin, "Baal is the king" would be "Baal est rex". In Latin, "enci" is not a word and "aga" is the root of several words but not found as a word itself. But users of Google Translate were shown that when misspelled and broken into three pieces, the brand name translates from Latin as "Baal the King."
>"aga" is the root of several words but not found as a word itself.
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/aga
>Borrowed from Ottoman Turkish آغا (aġa, “a lord or master”).[1] 
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/agha#English
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%D8%A2%D8%BA%D8%A7#Ottoman_Turkish
> • (ağa)
>
>   1. lord, master
>
>Descendants
>Turkish: ağa
>→ Armenian: աղա (aġa), Աղասի (Aġasi)
>→ Bulgarian: ага (aga)
>→ Iraqi Arabic: آغا
>→ Laz: აღა (ağa)
>→ Romanian: agă
But the infantile enslavement and sexualization and the child sacrifice symbolism and Michael Borremanns references thrown in the controversial ads were not.
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Love this Bob guy; he's doing the thread prompt to deprogram abrahamists better than any of us.
Bob is doing more to alienate rightwingers from Christianity than neopagans & agnostics or atheists combined. --Nothing compares to being on the rightwing and getting slapped in the face hard by christfags themselves to turn people away from Christianity.
A few more hours locked in a room with Bob of Speakers Corner and I'm sure these people would be converted into rabid Jacobins in due time.
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Just let certain people get enough Christfag fatigue and they'll become rabid Jacobins.
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>>11740
Yeah, down with the kike-worshipping church. Fuck the French Revolution though.
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Why should neopagans&deists/agnostics/atheists dislike the French Revolution if it helped destroy Christianity?
Evola says he would have the values prior to the French Revolution, but then he would be a Catholic Christian--and he is not, so it isn't well thought out.
A beautiful Cathedral might represent values and metaphysics and beauty of Christianity, but Varg Vikernes would be happy to burn churches and probably dismantle the tallest Cathedrals.
>stop, no, don't destroy Christianity! we want to stay under the kike-worshipping church that murdered our ancestors and killed our ancient religions and identity
If it is because of muh values like hierarchy and metaphysics, it can wait until after Christianity is dismantled--another temple cannot be built while the cathedral occupies that space, so the cathedrals and hierarchy of the old kike-worshipping religion must be torn down to make room for new gods in the future, and the Enlightenment/Romanticism plays a vital role in destroying these monolithic structures.
If it is because kings or aristocrats die, these people wouldn't hesitate to kill any other king or aristocrat themselves as a previous anon attests from the Frankish accounts of pagan royalty and pagan nobles being killed to make way for Christianity and they would kill Christian royalty and nobles the same of another denomination.
Destruction plays a natural part in this. Fire should be fought with fire until ample ground is laid.
If it is because of the status quo and third world immigration, that is more the result of colonialism, the end of WW2 Allies victory / Hitler losing, and ZOG.
Christianity today is working with the cosmopolitan order and inviting the third world in, showing that the ethnic societies of the past weren't because of the quality of Christianity.
The French Revolution was the first real attempt to radically pull Western civilization away from Christianity and create a new society.
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Considering the prompt of OP:
>How can we deprogram abrahamists?
It is probably best to consider where the programming begins--childhood.
Having distanced myself from Christianity, Christmas is a painful holiday to bear witness to.
Christmas is the primary tool pulling the youth to Christianity. It is a manipulation of their minds from a young age--a tactile usage of pleasures and pains stored up for the holiday to associate this cultivation of pleasure/goodness with Christianity and pain/badness with being cast away from Christianity. 
Plato acknowledges this in Laws for the importance of festivities/holidays.
Modern Christmas does exactly what a holiday tradition would do -- manipulation to use the pleasure of the senses to rear children from birth with seasonal repetition and feedback loops to implant loyalty in them.
Plato Laws
>Pleasure and pain I maintain to be the first perceptions of children, and I say that they are the forms under which virtue and vice are originally present to them. As to wisdom and true and fixed opinions, happy is the man who acquires them, even when declining in years; and we may say that he who possesses them, and the blessing which are contained in them, is a perfect man. Now I mean by education that training which is given by suitable habits to the first instincts of virtue in children;--when pleasure, and friendship, and pain, and hatred, are rightly implanted in souls not yet capable of understanding the nature of them, and who find them, after they have attained reason, to be in harmony with her. This harmony of the soul, taken as a whole, is virtue; but the particular training in respect of pleasure and pain, which leads you always to hate what you ought to hate, and love what you ought to love from the beginning of life to the end, may be separated off; and, in my view, will be rightly called education.
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>I am glad to hear that you agree with me; for, indeed, the discipline of pleasure and pain which, when rightly ordered, is a principle of education, has been often relaxed and corrupted in human life. 
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And considering that Christmas is the primary vessel to allure the hearts of the youth, rearing them from a young age with the pleasures of Christmas and the pain of being away from Christmas (naughty list)... There isn't much to be done with Christmas except to hijack it like it is said Christians did with Pagan holidays... because to abolish a holiday like this cannot be done without riling people up--they are deeply attached to those childhood blissful memories, the cultivation of their minds from the youth with imputations of pleasures and pains.
It works--I feel the pain as well
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Ironically, you could see the effect of “turn the other cheek” on how the Christian numbers declined in the middle east. Motherfuckers used to dominate Anatolia, the levant and North Africa, now they have become scattered minorities where muzzies butcher them whenever they get bored.
Since it's the season lemme ask something: Christmas. What elements of the celebration are European in spirit, and which ones are kiked? What does a de-jewified December the 25th look like?
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>>11773
>What does a de-jewified December the 25th look like?
New Year's Eve in the former Communist states.
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>>11862
No anon, it goes back to pagan roots. Yule, at the very least. It's a Winter solstice.
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>>11862
And, coincidentally, New Year's Eve in the Communist states prior to dissolution.
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>>12173
Humiliation ritual. I just have to say it again for the people that are sleeping in the back because SOMEHOW they keep tricking a bunch of retards

Ukraine has a invariably jewish regime full of criminal jewish oligarchs ruling it since the fall of the jewish soviet union. The same jewish elites ancestors that murdered 10 million ukrainians in 1930, they're still ruling it, ukrainians are too dumb to think about when they were actually holocausted by the tiny hats and now they're doing again. If you want to talk about epstein talk about epstein running an entire country, that's ukraine. Or Jewkraine if you will. They sell white child slaves to turks, israel and all kinds of garbage. Evil joke occupied country. Shithole. Not worth a single white life unless its complete rebellion.

and 

Russia is ran by a chabad antiracist antifa called Putin who refers to real russian nationalism where the white russians that built the country that dare say they're not going to be made a minority as in their own country "caveman nationalism"  In the regime he hails from performed the oficially fake holo number of 6 million x10 which is around 60 million Russians. Under his rule the MEMORIAL group which correctly regards the soviet system as a giant real holocaust and concentration camp has been prohibited from remembering victims and persecuted by whichever newest secret police bureau these gay faggots call themselves today.
Putin is pretty much just as ragged and fagged as the typical westoid untermensch talmud chimp leader that also licks the boot of the jewish plantation owners.. and He also just kills russian nationalists in jail because they disagree too much or are too popular. Shithole.

Take this and what do you get???? Together they've just exterminated most of the White Ukrainian males together while calling each other "racists" and "nazis" --- JWO mission succeeded. They still managed to kill the White goyim while crying about the shoah and Israel now owns ukraine. 

nly question of relevance is will they cause WW3 to reach their depopulation goals or not? They're certainly crazy enough and only a complete imbecile would discount them on doing it at this point. We all saw how the fake flu went, everyone leader went along with it. Thats how organized they are now.

It's so clowny but always remember this very same thing could easily happen to anyone else laughing at how malignant evil and dumb these little leaders we have are. Not only that but these "people" are getting extremely dangerous by the fucking minute. Not only that but they're vengeful and extremely paranoid too, At times they even covertly tell us we're retarded for letting them breathe. Because make no mistake. They know what they are. And they'll make you and us all pay the final price if you let them. Easily.
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>>12173
This is funny since from a Christian Identity perspective, which honestly isn't totally without merit, the messiah would actually be there to crush the enemies of his people, and that messiah according to CI would be White. If anything, CI helps highlighting how the Old Testament is an amalgam of different sources and some of them look to have been Aryan, but was corrupted as the Pharisees and their ancestors selected texts and rearranged words. Then the New Testament does hijack that entire work again, and the New International Version closes the loop by removing all and any ambiguities about whether Jews are the key to salvation and the ones Jesus is meant to save and allow to win. With this, Revelation is all the more confusing.
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>>12177
>2003/03/28 CIA-RDP80R017310030001
I can't find this online.
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>>12173
>Dugin is anti-White
No shit? Dugin supports Jews and Israel. He's a nigger-loving kike. He whines about the West and White people the same way Western Jews do. Hell, even loves niggers just like a Western Jew does.
>>12193
>CI helps highlighting how the Old Testament is an amalgam of different sources and some of them look to have been Aryan, but was corrupted as the Pharisees and their ancestors selected texts and rearranged words.
The Old Testament is not Aryan in origin at all. If anything, it is more overtly anti-Aryan than the New Testament. Its content derives from Near Eastern traditions and shows evidence of borrowing from surrounding cultures such as ancient Iran, Greece, and possibly Vedic Aryan religious thought. When certain elements appear superficially Aryan, this is not because of genuine Indo-European origins, but because foreign ideas were selectively adapted and reworked to serve a specifically Hebrew theological and ethnic narrative. The Old Testament was authored and redacted by Hebrew elites, who reshaped inherited material to reinforce their own worldview. Claims by Christcuck identitytards that the Old Testament contains Aryan sources reflect misunderstanding rather than serious textual or cultural analysis.
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Being new to the anti-abrahamist scene is tough.
Christfags outnumber and routinely ridicule pagan anons:
>All you know about the pagan heritage is because Christians copied it down
>paganism is male wicca
>can't compete with a text religion
They flock around like normalfags.
I wonder how many of them contemplate how grievous and humiliating Christianity is if it is fault: destroying your ancestral religions and worshipping this jew in rags before everything else for centuries.
The other posts is more christfaggotry on display.
These are good examples of the true nature of christfaggotry and why it is not on our side: 
1st, Bob states it is against white nationalism.
2nd, the Christian Traditionalists (who represent true, oldschool high church Catholic sentiment) vehemently oppose any nationalism or identity apart from denominational/your local church.
3rd, they praise the Cathedrals as the glory of God and the cities and nations are mammon--you may say this is justified with Jew York City, but regardless if you pry more into it this is the Christian outlook towards all the unwashed gentile nations--Germany, France, Europe, without Christianity, without the Cathedrals, they deem Sodom and Gomorrah and would hope it gets destroyed.
This is the primary difference between Hitler and their kind... Protestants and Catholics would eagerly dismantle, divide, and destroy Germany if it meant advancing their church and their pretense to the truth of Christianity, and throw Germany under the bus... but Hitler actually cared about Germany and the survival of Aryan humanity.
The Christian traditionalists who gawk at Cathedrals... they would hold all the lay buildings around those Cathedrals in contempt and hatred, because they only care about the Cathedral.
>>12196
That's because  the Internet died and they lied to you that things last forever online.
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>>12214
If there is no archive then there is no way to certify the authenticity of this document, therefore it is absolutely useless.
>>12203
>The Old Testament is not Aryan in origin at all. If anything, it is more overtly anti-Aryan than the New Testament. Its content derives from Near Eastern traditions and shows evidence of borrowing from surrounding cultures such as ancient Iran, Greece, and possibly Vedic Aryan religious thought. When certain elements appear superficially Aryan, this is not because of genuine Indo-European origins, but because foreign ideas were selectively adapted and reworked to serve a specifically Hebrew theological and ethnic narrative. The Old Testament was authored and redacted by Hebrew elites, who reshaped inherited material to reinforce their own worldview. Claims by Christcuck identitytards that the Old Testament contains Aryan sources reflect misunderstanding rather than serious textual or cultural analysis.
You have literally reworded what I said. Paying attention could help.
>borrowoing from different sources = amalgam of different sources.
>borrowing from surrounding cultures such as ancient Iran, Greece, and possibly Vedic Aryan religious thought.
Aryan sources therefore.
And the Old Testament is more based than the new one, which truly is shit for fags.
>Claims by Christcuck identitytards that the Old Testament contains Aryan sources reflect misunderstanding rather than serious textual or cultural analysis.
Pay attention to some of their claims. The physical descriptions that obviously point to Whites cannot be ignored, they're hard to refute, which proves how hard it is to know what the original sources were. But with that said, I will not bother defending the general purpose of Christian Identity though, for I believe their objective is self-defeating and it should be preferable to finally detach ourselves from Asiatic and Middle Eastern mythologies.
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>>12218
>You have literally reworded what I said.
No, I didn’t reword you. I rejected your premise outright.
>Aryan sources therefore.
Nothing about the Old Testament is “Aryan” in any real sense. That word actually means something, and the OT doesn’t fit it at all. Yes, the OT is an amalgam, but all of those sources are still Levantine Semitic with minor inspirations from other cultures, more-so to reinforce their priest-obsessed and legalist mindset. None of them suddenly become White just because you like some parts more than others. Besides, the Pharisees show up centuries after most OT texts were already written. When a dimwit calls the OT “Aryan,” what they really mean is “I like parts of it, so I’m slapping a cool label on it.” If “Aryan” just means “based,” then the term is meaningless. Actually read the OT and you'll realize how not-Aryan it is.
>The physical descriptions that obviously point to Whites cannot be ignored, they're hard to refute, which proves how hard it is to know what the original sources were.
I already know what you're implying here. Most of those descriptions are vague, poetic, symbolic, or translated through layers of later languages. Stuff like “ruddy,” “fair,” “bright,” etc. doesn’t point cleanly to White people. In the ancient Near East those words were used for health, vitality, status, or beauty, not “this guy was Aryan.” No descriptions of blond hair, blue eyes, or any direct European feature is spotted anywhere in the OT, so what is your point? The ancient Greeks actually described many characters with White features, while the OT makes no description of White people whatsoever other than that we were foreigners that they disliked.
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>>12229
When you said
>The Old Testament is not Aryan in origin at all. If anything, it is more overtly anti-Aryan than the New Testament. 
You were wrong. Plain and simple. The New Testament fails even harder on self-consistency. The Old Testament remains a war-like patriarchal tale of power and families. The New Testament is shit for fags, it swaps power of might with love and meekness and carries with it Saul's added dose of poison. It presents a stupid story where a space god becomes his own son to sacrifice himself to his daddy version so the daddy version doesn't kill all of mankind. It introduces a gatekeeper who openly calls for the splitting of friendship and family ties. It displaces rewards in the thereafter and calls for followers to be beggars, poor as hell because for some reason wealth is giving you bad karma that makes getting into heavens a rather risky affair. This has led many a good Christian to dispossess his entire family of a wealth they should have inherited, only to give it to the Church or some other parasites. Meanwhile the Old Testament talks about war, conquest, loot, land control and harems. It's infinitely more Aryan than the New Testament by whole leagues. But it's also corrupt.
>Nothing about the Old Testament is “Aryan” in any real sense. That word actually means something, and the OT doesn’t fit it at all.
You simply do not know anything about the Aryan principles then.
>Yes, the OT is an amalgam, but all of those sources are still Levantine Semitic with minor inspirations from other cultures, more-so to reinforce their priest-obsessed and legalist mindset.
And again you're wrong while failing to correct your contradiction when you shot your own foot by acknowledging the early biblical sections to be taking inspiration from cultures or peoples which we know were Aryan or themselves strongly influenced by Aryan values.
>None of them suddenly become White just because you like some parts more than others.
How could you so misinterpret my words? I spoke of obvious references to whiteness as a physical attribute. No matter how much I'd rather repel Semitic infused material, intellectual honesty obliges me to agree with the relevant claims made by the Christian Identity crowd regarding such references. Nevertheless, I never claimed that it made the Old Testament "White."
>Besides, the Pharisees show up centuries after most OT texts were already written.
And?
>When a dimwit calls the OT “Aryan,” what they really mean is “I like parts of it, so I’m slapping a cool label on it.”
It means some of its parts definitely display attributes in strong alignment with Aryan principles. As a matter of fact you could easily write a beastly pulp adventure with heroic figures by carefully selecting appropriate content from the OT. You could never achieve that with anything taken from the proto-communist sophomore tale about Yeshuos the talkative influencer and his twelve deluded followers.
>I already know what you're implying here. Most of those descriptions are vague, poetic, symbolic, or translated through layers of later languages. Stuff like “ruddy,” “fair,” “bright,” etc. doesn’t point cleanly to White people.
I bet to differ.
https://christogenea.org/podcasts/bible-discussion/truthvids-100-proofs-israelites-were-white-part-3-7-hebrew-word-adam-means-ruddy-or-rosy-8-christ
>In the ancient Near East those words were used for health, vitality, status, or beauty, not “this guy was Aryan.” 
If you think it was all about Semites then being paler or whiter for example would not be a healthy sign at all, quite the contrary. However, showing a white skin is certainly a sign of good status.
Ruddy leaves no room to interpretation.
But I am not here with the intent to defend Christian Identity or any reformulation of Christianity.
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>>12236
The Old testament is not Aryan at all, and if you keep arguing that it is or that it ever depicted any of it's characters as White in any way, especially using sources like Christogenea, you will only prove you are an idiot of the highest order. Nothing about Judaism or Christianity or Islam is Aryan, The only things anyone could claim is that they share some small portion of what is easily recognizable as facets of Natural Law, which is the shit you point out as "aligning with aryan principles". Unfortunately for you everything else about abrahamism directly goes against natural law, there is nothing to be gained form keeping anything from it's various doctrines and nothing to be gained from studying them in the slightest except how to refute it at it's core which you really don't need to study them to do.
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>>12236
>You were wrong. Plain and simple.
>Nah, I'm definitely not a CI guy, promise! 
You shill just as hard as any Jew.
>The Old Testament remains a war-like patriarchal tale of power and families. The New Testament is shit for fags, it swaps power of might with love and meekness and carries with it Saul's added dose of poison.
Both Testaments are for faggots. Are you really that dense you don’t see the OT straight-up calling for wiping out or enslaving goyim (non-Jews) in places? Most of the violent passages are descriptive stories of what happened back then not prescriptive commands for all time. They show how ancient tribes thought about survival and identity, not an eternal green light for genocide. The OT actually has a ton of constraints that were progressive for the ancient world: prophets ripping into kings and empires, laws protecting widows, orphans, and foreigners, whole books of poetry, doubt, wisdom, and lament (Job, Ecclesiastes, Psalms). There are real ethical limits on violence that you barely see anywhere else at that time. And modern Jews (who still base a lot on the OT) aren’t exactly running around conquering and enslaving people like the stories describe. Instead they're doing it through their Christcuck golems and international finance.
>It presents a stupid story where a space god becomes his own son to sacrifice himself to his daddy version
Are you supposed to be a CI (we wuz jews!) or an Atheist (Jew-sympathizer)?
>Meanwhile the Old Testament talks about war, conquest, loot, land control and harems
The OT records "historical" (most of it is likely fake) tribal wars, defense against empires like Assyria, Babylon, and Egypt. But war isn’t the main theme, huge chunks like Psalms, Proverbs, Ruth, Job, Ecclesiastes have nothing to do with it. The prophets constantly condemn violence, militarism, and unjust conquest. Kings who play empire-builder usually get portrayed as corrupt, and military wins are often followed by divine judgment, not praise. Super “Aryan” by your cartoon definition.
>You simply do not know anything about the Aryan principles then.
You mean the “Aryan principles” you just invented five minutes ago? Aryans covered a huge range of European peoples with wildly different values and practices. There was never one uniform Aryan creed.
>And again you're wrong while failing to correct your contradiction when you shot your own foot by acknowledging the early biblical sections to be taking inspiration from cultures or peoples which we know were Aryan or themselves strongly influenced by Aryan values
>You're wrong, b-because you just are okay?!
Where’s the contradiction? And where’s your actual evidence that the Bible comes from Aryans, genius?
>And?
Try actually reading the OT instead of LARPing as some Aryan-Jewkang. Most of the ethical stuff I mentioned was already there long before the Pharisees show up. More than half the text you hate on was written centuries earlier.
>It means some of its parts definitely display attributes in strong alignment with Aryan principles.
Define “Aryan principles” clearly then. Because by your logic we should also be LARPing as African tribal religions, they were way more violent than the Israelites ever were. Guess that makes Africans the real Aryans.
>You could never achieve that with anything taken from the proto-communist sophomore tale about Yeshuos the talkative influencer and his twelve deluded followers.
Yet somehow the OT is supposed to deliver the ultimate warrior ethos without any of the same flaws? The average Jew reads the OT and Christcucks who actually read, read the OT. Where are those super warriors today?

>Christogenea
>Outs himself as a CInigger
Using Christcuckgenea as a source of information is the pinnacle of mental retardation. They literally purposely misread and make shit up regarding the contents of the bible. The name Adam is a wordplay in Genesis 2:7: Yeshua forms the man from the adamah (ground/soil/earth). That's the primary biblical etymology, straight from the text itself. Ties "Adam" to adamah, with a possible secondary link to "red" because some soils are reddish (same root family as Edom, meaning "red"). Strong's Concordance does list a related verb (H119: ādam) as "to be red" or "flush/turn rosy," and the noun for man (H120: adam) is derived from that root, noting "ruddy" as a possible sense. CI latches onto the "show blood in the face" part to claim it means "blushable fair skin only Whites have."
But that's a massive stretch. The core meaning of adam as a noun is simply "human/mankind" (used hundreds of times in the OT that way). It's not a White descriptor. The "red/ruddy" connection is secondary and likely refers to earth tones or life/blood in general not an exclusive "White people blush" marker. They cite David as "admoni" (ruddy, like in 1 Sam 16:12). That's fair, David likely had a reddish complexion or hair, but "ruddy" describes healthy glow or red hair, not proof of Nordic Whiteness. Middle Easterners (including modern Jews, Arabs) can absolutely be ruddy or fair. Song of Solomon is erotic love poetry between a man and woman (traditionally Solomon and his lover). It's not a literal physical description of Jesus—most Christians read it allegorically (Christ and the church) or just as poetry, but forcing it as a racial ID photo is wild. "White and ruddy" (or "dazzling/fair and ruddy") is poetic praise for beauty and health—fair skin with rosy cheeks from vitality (or sun/tan contrast). It's hyperbolic, like calling someone "chief among ten thousand." The full description (gold head, black wavy hair, ivory belly with sapphires, marble legs) mixes ideals: tanned from sun (common for ancient shepherds/kings), but pale/white in parts. Solomon himself says he's "dark" from sun exposure (Song 1:5-6). It's not a consistent "White guy" portrait.

>If you think it was all about Semites then being paler or whiter for example would not be a healthy sign at all, quite the contrary. However, showing a white skin is certainly a sign of good status
That’s not what the OT is saying at all. If you want a pure Aryan religion, you already have European paganism, go revive that. I don’t care whether ancient Semites had light skin or not. Most of them were swarthy anyway. Plenty of Arabs and Asians have light skin too, gonna call them Aryan now?
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>mfw I realize the narrative of Christians being fed to lions in the public colisseum was the original holohoax
Atrocity propaganda truly is the kikes' oldest and proudest tradition next to usury and ritualized child murder.
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https://youtu.be/HkwW_dlcThA?si=ZcQW1xAjSkRjnN_e
Although the video was made by a libtard, it shows a problem with modern day christians. Christians do not follow christ as what he looks like, but as what they wants him to look like. Jesus has made it clear in the bible that every human race is equal, and that you should open borders for foreigners and “turn the other cheek” yet you see Christians are demanding for deportation and strict laws for immigration. Jesus was a lawless man and rebellious against the order yet you see christians demands for a strong government and everyone must follow the laws. There is nothing conservative about this religion at all, and Christians know their religion won’t save shit not just the west, but instead of accepting the hard truth and reject this religion and its beliefs as foreign, they try to cope and manoeuvre things to create a hybrid religious belief abstracted from the original teachings. This hypocrisy will backfire on them and make their religion dies faster.
The growth of islam in our homelands is negative, it wouldn’t be anything different if we replaced a Semitic religion with another one. If our race wants to survive we must review of this religion and either they continue coping or look for alternatives.
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I recommend this Youtube channel:

Julian the Apostate's last battle:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJ-vL7kuDHI

Emperor Julian the Apostate's criticism of Christian miracles:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsFml_xaKzU

Paganism in twelfth century Europe. European beliefs still extant prior to the Northern Crusades
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2bb35w8dS0

The Tree of Thor. Destruction of the tree of Thor in Hesse, Germany by St. Boniface in 724CE:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4lxsA9h4jM

The first Northern Crusade. The conquest and forced conversion of the pagan Wends.Part 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlMJNVhz3IU

The Wends under attack. The first Northern Crusade Part 2. Christian forces attack the pagan Wends
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dx3FkMEMtuA

Celsus and the biblical Genesis story. His critique of Bible creation mythology
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQcRnHxCFDM

Celsus on whether man is God's special creation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwsgRfXxp9U

Celsus on the Christian heaven and hell. The 2nd century pagan critiques the extreme nature of hell.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZ41WGdOLuw

Celsus on the Bible 'resurrection' stories and his critique of the crucifixion accounts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2SMSiaM_gY
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I'm glad Adam Green is picking on the mainline Christians. 
Evangelical Christian Zionists are too easy pickings--not that it isn't beneficial to pluck them, but they'll easily be dismissed as not true Christians.
>>12242
It was probably the case of some Christian gladiators foolishly fighting a bout against lions and losing badly, amplified through their network.
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>>12253
>Christian gladiators
Since when have kikes engaged in physical activity?
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>>12239
>The Old testament is not Aryan at all, and if you keep arguing that it is or that it ever depicted any of it's characters as White in any way, especially using sources like Christogenea, you will only prove you are an idiot of the highest order. Nothing about Judaism or Christianity or Islam is Aryan
The sheer stupidity of this reply is astounding and you have simply demonstrating nothing. You are merely making a silly claim and that's the whole of it.
First I didn't intend on defending Christianity, even less Judaism. I am merely pointing out that *some* parts of the OT can be argued to be Aryan in nature. For anyone who can read properly, and although I don't have much expectations at this point regarding your abilities in this domain, it would be quite clear that I have no intent on defending the New Testament, which is a critical part of Christianity, far more than the OT itself.
Islam has for itself the thirst for conquest, a virile religion that puts a leash on women and provides a drive to conquer to every single man. It plainly formulates laws to strengthen the cohesion of the populace in occupied territories in a very imperialistic way, and it promises many free women to warriors in the thereafter, the latter part mirroring exactly the same principle found in the concept of Valhalla. Does that irritate you? Is the Valhalla not manly and aryan enough for you? 
If you want to disagree with me on that you will have to disagree with Lane and Evola, so I will let you argue about their works and prove them wrong.
>The only things anyone could claim is that they share some small portion of what is easily recognizable as facets of Natural Law, which is the shit you point out as "aligning with aryan principles".
You calling it "shit" when you admit these pieces abide by the Natural Law is icing on the proverbial goddamn cake. Make up your mind at once.
>Unfortunately for you everything else about abrahamism directly goes against natural law
Why "unfortunately"? I have no vested interest in claiming that Abrahamism is good nor a solution to what afflicts us. That is the issue with people like you who can't read one's words correctly and instead immediately start projecting thing onto others in the truest knee jerking fashion.
I would have thought that it wouldn't be rocket science to acknowledge in other nations' and cultures' works what principles and activities have served them well, nor see which ones of such parts have been of a noble and heroic nature. But I was wrong. It does take a genius to get to that point.

You, Orlog, and the other dimwit (>>12229) come off as kvetching nancies, arguing like ex-fedora tippers who have discovered fascism and theology yesterday. I can't for the life of me fathom what type of candid and truly mono-dimensional definition of Aryan you passionately nurture in your heads.
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>>12246
Nice links
>>12241
Some people would retort that you have an agenda, but I don't think you're smart enough to have one. I know I am interacting with a simple mind so I'll make things easy for you.
>>Nah, I'm definitely not a CI guy, promise! 
>You shill just as hard as any Jew.
Christian Identity remains in the end a form of Christianity. It doesn't reject the Bible or Jesus. It definitely espouses the New Testament.
I do none of that. I explicitly pointed out how un-Aryan the New Testament was. For the rest I will defer to Nietzsche.
>Both Testaments are for faggots. 
That was not what you should have replied, my dimwitted friend. The moment you saw me reject the New Testament you should have known I wasn't defending Christian Identity, nor a member of this religious trend. But you are so sensitive, so soft, that merely recognizing the better parts of the Old Testament sends you in unending shrilling bouts.
>Are you really that dense you don’t see the OT straight-up calling for wiping out or enslaving goyim (non-Jews) in places?
Here's the funny thing. This part calls for the subduing or preferably the removing or killing of the occupying people of lands you covet, to make room for yours. It's literally the hardest form of "your people first." A literal blood soaked Lebensraum if needs be. Eat or be eaten. There is literally NOTHING that could be closer to Natural Law than that. How do you think America was taken? How do you think the northern lands of India were taken, when literally in the Rig Veda you have a chief White deity who revels in exterminating street shitters because he dislikes their skin color and needs their living space? How do you think we will be able to reclaim our own very lands, and some more? What do you think the White Ethnoglobe principle entails?
>They show how ancient tribes thought about survival and identity, not an eternal green light for genocide.
>Muh genocide waaah
As I thought. Go play with your pretty pink toys, little boy.
>The OT actually has a ton of constraints that were progressive for the ancient world: prophets ripping into kings and empires, laws protecting widows, orphans, and foreigners, whole books of poetry, doubt, wisdom, and lament (Job, Ecclesiastes, Psalms).
There is nothing "progressive" about protecting weaker people within your own nation.
>And modern Jews (who still base a lot on the OT) aren’t exactly running around conquering and enslaving people like the stories describe.
I never said they did. Their mindset is parasitic but the Jews' entire scheme is self-destructive, because they're blinded by their hatred of anything White. They seek to destroy the host they depend on, without letting the host regenerate itself.
>Are you supposed to be a CI (we wuz jews!) or an Atheist (Jew-sympathizer)?
Oh look, you are confused now.
>The OT records "historical" (most of it is likely fake) tribal wars, defense against empires like Assyria, Babylon, and Egypt. But war isn’t the main theme, huge chunks like Psalms, Proverbs, Ruth, Job, Ecclesiastes have nothing to do with it.
Well I guess that's why I insisted on "some parts" and not the whole of the Old Testament.
>You mean the “Aryan principles” you just invented five minutes ago? Aryans covered a huge range of European peoples with wildly different values and practices. There was never one uniform Aryan creed.
So you don't even have a solid definition of Aryan for you to jump at me saying that this or that piece is totally not Aryan!!!!1!
You too need to make up your mind.
>Where’s the contradiction?
Reread my post.
>And where’s your actual evidence that the Bible comes from Aryans, genius?
I didn't say the Bible comes from Aryans. Again, learn to read.
>Try actually reading the OT instead of LARPing as some Aryan-Jewkang. Most of the ethical stuff I mentioned was already there long before the Pharisees show up. More than half the text you hate on was written centuries earlier.
Again: And?
>Define “Aryan principles” clearly then. Because by your logic we should also be LARPing as African tribal religions, they were way more violent than the Israelites ever were. Guess that makes Africans the real Aryans.
Sticking to Natural Law, my people first, absolute racial awareness (rule of the blood), nobility within your nation, heroism but also scheming against our enemies.
>Yet somehow the OT is supposed to deliver the ultimate warrior ethos without any of the same flaws? 
OK, read carefully:
Me said some bits nice. Not all book good.

This message is getting too long though.
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Christianity spread among lowest classes of Roman Empire first, that included slaves of all races (Gladiators were technically slaves, even if good ones were certainly better off than an average 'free' pleb. But it's probably not the good ones that were quick to convert).
>>12262
>Some people would retort that you have an agenda, but I don't think you're smart enough to have one.
What possible agenda could I have for refusing to "redeem" a Jewish religion for Aryans? The whole concept is desperate cope. I don't think you're capable of understanding that there are people sharper and clearer-headed than you. You're too lost in your cheeto-dusted rage to notice. And you seriously linked Christogenea like it was proof of anything. Christogenea, the pinnacle of CI clownery.
>Christian Identity remains in the end a form of Christianity. It doesn't reject the Bible or Jesus. It definitely espouses the New Testament
Christian Identity swallows both Testaments whole. The New is still central (Jesus the savior, redemption, the whole package), but they force it to fit the Old as their "racial history" and eternal law, insisting nothing in the New can override the Old. It's 100% Christianity with a slapped-on racial fantasy.
>I do none of that. I explicitly pointed out how un-Aryan the New Testament was.
You do exactly that: shield yourself with "NT un-Aryan" while cherry-picking OT war stories to make them sound like peak fascist aesthetics. Zero substance, just seething and low-effort recycled takes. If you're not a Christcuck or a Jew, drop the pretense. You're still hooked on the enemy's scripture. Thinking you need Jewish texts for strength makes you no better than the traitors who abandoned paganism for Christianity's bigger promises. The Old Testament has only ever undermined our survival.
>Nietzsche
Oh look, another guy dropping Nietzsche's name without reading a page. Nietzsche never called the Old Testament "Aryan." He saw Judaism as the birth of priestly slave morality and Christianity as its ultimate victory. Yes, he found the OT less repulsive than the NT. There was grandeur, raw power, naïve strength. But he still loathed its priestly resentment at the core. His real admiration went to Hellenic pagans, Homeric heroes, pre-Socratic life-force. Achilles over Abraham every time. You'd know that if you'd actually read him instead of LARPing as a brand-new 14/88 genius.
>That was not what you should have replied, my dimwitted friend.
Look at you typing this smug garbage, convinced you've owned everyone like every Redditor who thinks he's the smartest in the room the second someone responds.
>The moment you saw me reject the New Testament you should have known I wasn't defending Christian Identity,
Rejecting the NT doesn't absolve you of CI vibes. CI adherents flip-flop constantly. Paul one minute, "OT law only" the next, whatever recruits or wins the argument. They use straight-up Jewish debate tactics. Even if you're not full CI, calling the OT "Aryan" and linking Christogenea puts you in the same retard camp that thinks a Jewish tribal law code is European strength incarnate. No actual pagan, atheist, or nationalist would touch that claim.
>Here's the funny thing. This part calls for the subduing or preferably the removing or killing of the occupying people of lands you covet
Look at the genius who read a few conquest verses and thinks he cracked racial theory. Yes, Deuteronomy, Joshua, and Samuel contain divinely commanded conquest, displacement, and extermination of Canaanites. Straight reading: brutal tribalism, "our people first" maxed out. I'm not downplaying it. But reducing the entire OT to "Lebensraum prototype" is brain-dead. The OT isn't a single manifesto. It's a library compiled over centuries with royal, priestly, prophetic, and exilic voices clashing. Conquest is one strand. Right next to it: laws protecting resident aliens, commands to treat strangers justly, stories where outsiders (Ruth, Jonah) are moral exemplars while Israelites are failures. So Aryan, right? The land claim is theological and conditional, not racial-biological. Israel keeps the land only through obedience. Fail and the prophets say you lose it. That's the exile narrative. Lebensraum was modern racial-biological ideology: permanent hierarchy, expansion for its own sake, Germans only, no moral conditions attached. Hitler shifted to the "empty" east when total expulsion proved impractical, but the core was still racial space without divine fine print. Later prophets abandon conquest hype altogether. They condemn land-grabbing, militarism, ethnic arrogance. The focus moves from "How do we take more?" to "Why did we lose what we had?" Answer: moral failure, never "we weren't ruthless enough." So no, it's not "fucking Aryanz."
 >Muh genocide waaah
I never cried about genocide. That's literally what parts of the OT order. You're the hypocrite: hyping the conquest as "Aryan," then praising the OT for protecting foreigners and sparing groups because total genocide would be bad. Pick a fucking lane.
>Go play with your pretty pink toys, little boy.
Rich coming from the guy melting down this entire thread.
>There is nothing "progressive" about protecting weaker people within your own nation.
>It's not progressive/regressive to protect niggers and Jews.
First you claim exterminating outsiders is peak Aryan, then you boast about the OT protecting resident aliens and regulating slavery humanely. By ancient standards, giving legal protections to non-kin residents was unusually universalist and "progressive". Exactly the priestly softening real warrior cultures avoided. Hell the same even happened to India and we know how that ended. The OT allows permanent foreign slaves but wraps it in rules that often prioritized outsiders over kin loyalty. You correctly trash the NT, yet praise the OT for the same universalist streak you pretend to despise. Antebellum Dixie planters treating slaves brutally were closer to raw ethnic hierarchy than the OT's regulated, moralized system.
>I never said they did. Their mindset is parasitic but the Jews' entire scheme is self-destructive, because they're blinded by their hatred of anything White. They seek to destroy the host they depend on, without letting the host regenerate itself.
Then your entire position implodes. If the Jewish plan is inherently self-sabotaging, there's zero justification for trying to salvage any piece of their scripture for our use.
>Oh look, you are confused now.
Just answer the question instead of dodging like always.
>Well I guess that's why I insisted on "some parts" and not the whole of the Old Testament.
You kept saying "some parts" without ever naming which ones are supposedly Aryan or why they matter. It always loops back: what's the actual point of trying to redeem anything from the Old Testament?
>So you don't even have a solid definition of Aryan for you to jump at me saying that this or that piece is totally not Aryan!!!!1!
I have a crystal-clear definition. You're the one evading. Aryan refers to ancient Indo-European warrior nobility: heroic individualism, personal honor and eternal fame, open pantheons of anthropomorphic gods, warrior caste supremacy, no jealous universal deity, no chosen-people status tied to ritual purity and priestly law. The OT fails on every count: monotheistic priestcraft, collective obedience, ritual micromanagement, tribal god obsessed with rules. You're not defining Aryan. You're just slapping the label on whatever violent snippets excite you while ignoring the rest.
>Reread my post.
I reread all your posts. Still no contradiction on my end. Yours are a mess.
>I didn't say the Bible comes from Aryans. Again, learn to read.
You literally floated the idea that some sources "look to have been Aryan" and got corrupted. If you're not claiming the Bible was ever Aryan or salvageable as such, then what the fuck is your point? Why keep defending any of it?
>Again: And?
Again, read and comprehend: the Pharisees postdate most OT composition, so blaming later Jewish editing for the problems doesn't save the text. It's already priestly garbage from the start.
>Sticking to Natural Law, my people first, absolute racial awareness (rule of the blood), nobility within your nation, heroism but also scheming against our enemies.
You don't uphold any of those consistently. Your "arguments" flip between blood-and-soil conquest and praising priestly universalism whenever it suits you.
>Me said some bits nice. Not all book good.
You sound like a toddler who just discovered words. You never clearly said "only some bits". You kept implying large chunks were more Aryan than the NT and worth keeping. You have no coherent point. Come back when your IQ clears triple digits, faggot.
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>>12258
>The sheer stupidity of this reply is astounding and you have simply demonstrating nothing.
I was demonstrating nothing I was telling you straight fact, you aren't worthy of actually putting in real effort to argue.
>I am merely pointing out that *some* parts of the OT can be argued to be Aryan in nature.
your error is trying to point that out, Natural Law is NOT Aryan, Aryan's did not originate it, it is the law of the world, we simply happen to be the best at putting it into practice, Many cultures with little to no Aryan influence follow or once followed Natural Law, and the NT and OT are both examples that you cannot wholly set Natural Law aside even if you despise it utterly as the jews do.
>Islam has for itself the thirst for conquest, a virile religion that puts a leash on women and provides a drive to conquer to every single man.
Islam would lead to the same end as christcuckery, though it would perhaps take longer.
>the latter part mirroring exactly the same principle found in the concept of Valhalla.
Valhalla does not and never has promised women, it promises only the glory of eternally honing oneself as a warrior in combat in service to Odhinn, the same for Folkvangr and Freya. So your supposition and insult toward actual Aryan gods is ultimately meaningless and extremely off-base.
 Islam is only marginally better than Christianity in that one aspect forcing the drive to conquest as you say. Personally, I think Hitler would never have been able to rise in an Islamic dominated Germany, but alas we will never know.
>If you want to disagree with me on that you will have to disagree with Lane and Evola, so I will let you argue about their works and prove them wrong.
Which part of what you said would I disagree with Lane or Evola on? The only thing I'm aware of that Lane said on anything remotely close to this is that christniggers who claim to be Nazi's would do well to entirely discard the new Testament(which as CIke's constantly demonstrate they never will, thus making them enemies), and most of that was said after he went to jail and lost clarity and probably sanity as he aged. As for Evola, I literally do not care, he was not a National Socialist, and while some of what he wrote has value, I find little of it valuable enough to bother delving into deeply.
And I don't know why you got the impression that I would ever care about disagreeing with anything. I have disagreements with Hitler, Goebbels, Himmler and many others of the OG NS, at least from those whose writing survived the war or in actions that they took, so why would disagreeing lesser figures like Lane or a completely unrelated figure such as Evola, matter at all? None of those people were out for doctrinal purity or absolutely rigid unquestioning thinking, and would probably be more insulted that anyone doesn't question their decisions or thoughts.
>You calling it "shit" when you admit these pieces abide by the Natural Law is icing on the proverbial goddamn cake. Make up your mind at once.
Even the parts of Natural law that exist in the Bible are corrupted and warped, that is why it is shit, it is no reflection upon Natural Law to call warped shit, shit.
>Why "unfortunately"? I have no vested interest in claiming that Abrahamism is good nor a solution to what afflicts us. 
You are claiming that there is something Aryan about Abrahamic religion, there is not, your fundamental claim is false and wrong.
>That is the issue with people like you who can't read one's words correctly and instead immediately start projecting thing onto others in the truest knee jerking fashion.
Nothing about what I said was a kneejerk reaction. You're just pointing at things all but universal in religious doctrines all over the world and screaming "SEE THIS PART HERE, IN THIS SEMITIC TRIPE IS ARYAN ,YOU SEE, ARYAN!!!!" when it is not. 
>I would have thought that it wouldn't be rocket science to acknowledge in other nations' and cultures' works what principles and activities have served them well,
There is NOTHING in semitic religious doctrine that is of any use to anyone who seeks the Aryan ideal. That is not to say that studying other cultures or religions cannot help illuminate things, it can, but considering that Abrahamic religion is designed specifically to oppose natural law to the utmost extent and in the case of christianity specifically to oppose the Aryan spirit of our people, it is worse than useless in any such endeavor.
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The ultimate problem with Christian Identity & White nationalism is Galatians 3:28; Christianity is not content with White nationalism as true Israelites or the real jews; all people must be grafted into the family, and all people must be of Christ's blood and of the King of the Jews and imbibe in that blood relationship, which is a blood relation not partial to this or that nation, but all peoples irrespective of their own sense of kinship/blood.

>There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
Galatians 3:28
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>>12270
You're so blinded, rabid and thick that you keep replying to things I didn't even say instead of actually taking time to read what I wrote and thinking about it. What a waste of time to argue with you. Here's just one single example to prove it since I'm done with you:
>>I didn't say the Bible comes from Aryans. Again, learn to read.
>You literally floated the idea that some sources "look to have been Aryan" and got corrupted.
I said parts of the Old Testament are linked to such sources, and pointed out that there are virile values in it that are absent from the NT.
OT ≠ Bible. Bible = OT + NT. Only Christians speak of the "Bible," and Christians use the New Testament. I am not a Christian and have no desire to defend Christianity.
>If you're not claiming the Bible was ever Aryan or salvageable as such, then what the fuck is your point? Why keep defending any of it?
My point is right in the first post of mine you jumped at like a spastic mong because you read what you wanted to see instead of what I had actually typed.
Cue the time I'm wasting trying to rectify a complete idiot. I tried once, and failed, shame on me. I won't do it twice.
I will also point out how the racialist take on Christianity close to what is found in Christian Identity to have been at the core of the Order. We have since then understood that the revolutionary purification must be complete and that includes the religion too.
As for you white-knighting valkyries (lol) and turning Valhalla into a convent (rofl),
>Valhalla does not and never has promised women, it promises only the glory of eternally honing oneself as a warrior in combat in service to Odhinn, the same for Folkvangr and Freya. So your supposition and insult toward actual Aryan gods is ultimately meaningless and extremely off-base.
What would offend them would be to be defended by a ridiculous nutless & nosex simp like you. Freyja would laugh at you so loudly that everybody in Asgard would know that she's taking the piss at some earthly village idiot. Get this straight eunuch. She literally is the goddess of love, beauty, fertility, sex, and wears a magical necklace that gives her +20 to all those aforementioned attributes (as if she needed it), which she got by spending some nights at The Four Dwarves'. Loki scorns her for being a literal slut who sleeps with all gods and elves (but elves are simply stunning so she has patrician tastes). There's always a touch of truth to Loki's accusations. She's also tied to war and death (and gold too sometimes, because women after all). And seidr, of course. She is the archetypal Valkyrie, taking her own good portion from the dead guys.
The tales and poems simply are good and wise enough not to be graphic about what goes on but it should not take a genius to get there. The Valkyries are literally engaged in the feasts where mead is abundantly served by them and consumed by burly and brave men. The place is busy with noble 12/10 young women who need to squeeze their assets between men in order to fill their goblets. There would be so many gigantic boners in the hall that there would be no point having pillars to support its shining ceiling. You're the only castrated moron who'd go to such a party and stick to eating the buffet's cheap food while failing to get drunk and have sex with some girls.
The Poetic Edda makes mentions of strong relations between Valkyries and warriors, some of them romantic. The Grímnismál has warriors admiring the Valkyries, their beauty, and desiring them. You have Sigfried's deep and rich desire and love for Brynhild. Or Helgi's relation to Sigrun. And books saying how Valkyries are irresistible, in very noble terms of course. But according to you, Princess Prudeness, we should have to imagine that lust would not be involved in this dynamic. At all.
You write like a puritan Christian pedomonk who's never seen tits in his entire damned life because you only fuck underage little boys and need everything spilled for him because you can't understand the concept of going to place full of buxom lasses upon your glorious death.
Conclusion: every time you called me a faggot you were projecting. Go back to reddit, ergi.
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>>12298
None of your response makes sense and it seems you can't differentiate two people, I never called you a faggot by the way or even insulted you, all you accomplished with this is to prove both me and the other guy right by way of your sheer idiocy.
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>>12304
One of the two posts has its author calling me a faggot and I got tired reading it because it's bad so I moved on, and skimming the other post, with a similar structure, replying to another post of mine, with just as stupid points and poor quality of content, seemed to be from the same cunt so I moved on and assumed the two were from the same guy, and for all intents and purposes they just could, because you make the exact same retarded claims and display the same ineptitude in reading what I actually wrote. Your entire defense and pathetic excuse in rejecting my post is because of this possible confusion (I'm not sold on the idea you're simply not samefagging), you dodge my points entirely. I cannot be bothered arguing with you.
>>12298
>I said parts of the Old Testament are linked to such sources, and pointed out that there are virile values in it that are absent from the NT.
No, you outright implied the Israelites were once White, you lying kike, that’s exactly why you linked Christogenea like it proves anything. And besides, you keep dodging what on what I said about the priests being against violence. Orlog already spelled it out: the OT isn’t some unique treasure trove of “virile” values. Tons of ancient cultures had the same stuff or better without all the Semitic baggage. The OT has zero real links to Aryans. The Israelites just copied and stole from neighboring peoples mostly Canaanites, Mesopotamians, Egyptians. There were never any “Israelite Aryans,”. A huge chunk of the oral traditions was likely written or preserved long before any meaningful contact with Indo-European groups anyway. They lived in the same brutal Bronze/Iron Age world where everyone was raping, pillaging, and massacring each other, but the OT repeatedly shows Israelite prophets and writers condemning that shit via criticizing their own kings for militarism, mourning violence, pushing ethical limits that were unusual for the time. I already know what your stupid ass was trying to twist. You thought my earlier point about Jews borrowing from surrounding cultures (including distant Aryan ones) was me admitting the OT is somehow tied to the Vedas or Greek myths. It’s not what I said and what I meant is completely different. For the thousandth time: the OT has no connection to our (European/Aryan) culture. It’s simply the worldview of Semitic priestly faggots in the Bronze Age who eventually got exposed to, and awed by the more sophisticated priestly traditions of Aryans (mostly Persians later on). That influence shows up in some later books, long after the warrior-conquest phase had faded. Do you finally get it? Probably not.
>I am not a Christian and have no desire to defend Christianity.
Cool, then denounce Judaism too while you’re at it.
>My point is right in the first post of mine you jumped at like a spastic mong because you read what you wanted to see instead of what I had actually typed.
Your “point” was garbage then and it’s garbage now. I addressed it directly and shredded it. Telling me to reread your original post is just admitting you have nothing new to say and can’t defend your own claims.
>Cue the time I'm wasting trying to rectify a complete idiot.
That’s rich coming from the guy who keeps misreading, misattributing, and throwing tantrums instead of making actual arguments.
>As for you white-knighting valkyries (lol) and turning Valhalla into a convent (rofl)
Wrong anon, retard. That was Orlog, not me. 
>Norse Mythos
I’m not the guy you’re mad at about Valkyries. Thanks for proving you can’t even keep track of who said what in a simple thread. You’re incapable of basic reading comprehension, let alone serious discussion.
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It is horrid to take off the beer goggles with Christianity and be deprogrammed, tbh.
That is ultimately to realize Western civilization has been trapped in the mental institute of being under the drudgery of worshipping a dead hobo jew and honoring him with countless palaces (churches/cathedrals) like no other king on earth--which for all intents and purposes was most likely a lie.
A lie peddled over gentile nations with a bit of Classicism and the promise of eternal rewards and annulling the fear of death... to our perpetual dishonor in this life.
This taken into consideration: I think anything is preferable to any attempt to return to Christianity, even to the extent that Liberalism and the Enlightenment are preferable to Christianity. Christianity hasn't died soon enough and still has influence enough to be discontent.
I don't think the severity of it has reached most anons, let alone /pol/.
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Christians should be looked upon as John Carpenter's The Thing and as bodysnatchers. It is an apt comparison.
& they know it deep down why they are persecuted, Christ tells them they will be persecuted for being social outcasts and trying to upend and destroy the cultures and nations they reside in:
Their goal is to snatch bodies, convert bodies, and alienate until fully converted, and to destroy the remnants of said old bodies, and snatch them away like children to embrace a new jewish king as their hero and avatar from other authorities.
AND they WON'T be satisfied until ALL THE WORLD converts and comes under the Cross like Communists want with the Hammer and Sickle.
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>>12375
If you saw Left Behind you'd know that they will never be satisfied. The point is to have fun later when in heaven/dead/never and if world peace happens then you are going to hell for not being called up. Jesus did not come to make peace but war. The one that makes world peace is supposed to be the son of the devil.

I never knew how faggoty Christians were until I saw Left Behind. I'm sure if I read the books I'd be far more angry about it but the movie was eoungh as it got the point across that 'peace means satan won'. And seeing children as less of a sinner is gay when they are less behaved than an adult and also more useless. They had all the children "called up", that shit was stupid. I could go on about it but I'm busy and don't really care about this board but hate abrahamic worshipers myself even if I don't care for Fascism and was just using overboard. It's a key concept that christians don't want things like stem cells as to live forever is to be godlike and they don't want to play god, christians want to die and make orme souls to combat satan's army, the point of the missionary position being a mission is to increase your army size. Fucking faggoty war mongering religion wherein no fun is allowed.
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>>12376
>Fucking faggoty war mongering religion wherein no fun is allowed.
Asceticism is hardly unique to Christianity. It has existed in the European Pagan world - many of the ancient Greek philosophers were ascetics, it has existed and exists in Eastern religion, we even use the same word for Buddhist and Christian religious ascetics - monk. 
Furthermore, "having fun" usually gets in the way of thinking. 
Also, warmongering is based if the cause of war is just (such as extermination of the gypsies and jews or subjugation of less hopefess malevolent races).
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>>12377
Asceticism gets too much praise.
I personally cannot forgive ascetic tendencies for how it has been weaponized against us. White guilt and self-hatred that is taught as a kind of ascetic race hatred.
With Christianity in particular, the ascetic tendency to release oneself from all attachments has gone too far: to release yourself from the grip of family and nation and every quality of your identity has given them an excuse to detach like balloons in ways worse than the most rampant individualism in scolding any bonds.
>>12377
Asceticism isn't unique to Christianity, but what you said about Europe isn't true either. Yes, certain ancient Greek philosophers practiced asceticism, but asceticism was not popular in Europe or among the ancient Greeks, just like philosophy itself was never really that popular. Socrates was despised and executed on charges of impiety and corrupting the youth. Plato was despised by the Syracuse Dorians (nearly killed during his political ventures there) and his anti-democratic philosophy made him pretty unpopular in Athens too despite never being put on trial and being allowed to run his own academy. Neither Socrates or Plato were celebrated mainstream figures they were controversial outliers in a culture that valued physical pleasures, athletics, and worldly enjoyment.
>thinking
You're on the wrong board if you think we're in favor of intellectualism, which is even more of a waste of time.
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The ascetic urge to wipe out attachment to all things and any sense of self and belonging and purely seek out sheer Truth has in the long run lead to this ailment with many Christians who make the same pretenses and justify abandoning everything (their culture, their old religion/old native gods, their nation & families/race) and gives them the gall that here we are today.
In the same way that Liberals with White Guilt try to be external to their own ego and race, Christians in the same way try to look past their own native gods and ultimately end up in the hands of a foreign god (Yahweh). 
I dislike how this has not only helped people seek to be rootless and overall abandon any prospect of the life this world offers and the heritage they inherent here and to hold all that in contempt in this project of self-abandonment.
It seems clear to me that this rejection of the ego and self has fostered adopting another self conscience -- to the point where again with Christianity, they'd rather to be Spiritual Jews than their own kind and were easily mislead to adopting another self and adopting another culture and another god and by transcending all that has overall facilitated the woes we face today in being so utterly selfless.
Honestly, we would have been better off being atheists or even being degenerates and lagging behind in a stupor like niggers than entertaining the vanity of some philosophies and would have been better off being primal savages than all the things that facilitated our ascent into Christianity because these faculties of thinking have been weaponized against us with the help of asceticism, turning the ideal against our own fruition, turning a city on a hill (new jerusalem) against our own cities, turning the ideal of another race (spiritual jews) against our own racial inheritance: what feat of thinking and virtue has any ascetic produced that could outweigh all this illness? Having watched this relentless detachment and search lead to destruction for the sake of being spiritually Jewish I cannot say I'm too fond of the idea or at least that even if it is laudable in moderation that there is such a thing as too much asceticism to an unhealthy degree.
Altruism and ascetism has done us so much harm in this department that I really cannot feel better about it no matter how much is sprinkled about the appeal to being transcendental and looking beyond ourselves or that being immersed in it is cruddy materialism for the fruit of this. 

>Plato was despised
Jesus also makes a boast about being despised and rejected by society--and the same sentiment is carried by all his followers who are eager to abandon their societies and everything else for their own truthseeking. 
What has this really done then to make them like Jews in their synagogues? Who isolate themselves from society and felt banished--because they have the real God--and sloth and scold at the world surrounding them in total resentment for their urge to be superior than the gentile world.
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Christianity & Catholicism is 50x worse than CivNat, IMHO.
Feels like I watch everyone bitch about CivNat but are remarkably slack on Christianity despite Christjewry being worse in pretty much every front against Nationalism & Race. At least CivNats are kind of patriotic and care about things like their homeland and their country and, yes, to a degree their own people--which is leagues better to me than a Christian who regards his own homeland as Egypt/a Babylonian Captivity, who is willing to sell out his people far more, and is willing to disregard his own nation and homeland like some Sodom and Gomorrah and burn it all down in the name of Yahweh and their own cruddy pretense of the Truth. 

>Christianity is spiritual multiculturalism: everyone drinks the King of the Jews blood and becomes one family through him no matter who you are, and you are grafted into an Abrahamic tree.

>Christianity openly boasts about destroying our ancient heritage and renaming us after Old Testament Jews like David, Abraham, Adam, John, etc, and I myself have a Jewish namesake thanks to this. Old Testament Jews are so honored over our own ancestors that we name our children after them and this practice has continued--fucking JEWS! over our OWN CULTURE!

>Christianity is Jew worship. The God of the Old Testament Yahweh. Adopting their customs and religions modified. Considering the Jewish slaves in the Old Testament more worthy ancestors than own own.

>Christianity is Church über alles. It looks at lay people as fundamentally secular, hates the unwashed masses, and operates more like a cult, spites everyone, hates nationalism and wants to erase any identity besides Christian identity as much as it possibly can get away with, until our civilization is New Jerusalem and until we are fully aligned with being Spiritual Jews.

>Christcucks are more than willing to divide nations upon denomination lines (Catholic and Protestant and Orthodox) like they wanted with Germany. Yes, the more hardcore Christians are very adamant and openly state this. If it could be done, they'd rather the boundaries be split between Catholics and Protestants. Their ultra-clericalism knows no bounds and and is globohomo at the same time--seeking to spread by the Great Commission and divide all households/nations until they submit to their Church.

>Christcuckery gets the benefit of the doubt that it is good for social reasons--when upon closer examination Christcuckery is extremely anti-social and thrives in alienating people from their families, nations, and ancient heritage and religion wherever it is introduced. Originally, Christians were the original race traitors that we honor because enough time and distance has passed. 

TBH, my own monarchist vents after dealing with Christian hypocrisy.
#1.
People will complain about taxes with earthly monarchies/regimes, but 100% wholly testify that they are willing to give every penny they own to The Church if called for--as opposed to sacrificing for their own dynastic families and their own countries.
Mark 12:41-44
>Jesus sat down opposite the place where the offerings were put and watched the crowd putting their money into the temple treasury. Many rich people threw in large amounts. But a poor widow came and put in two very small copper coins, worth only a few cents.
>Calling his disciples to him, Jesus said, “Truly I tell you, this poor widow has put more into the treasury than all the others. They all gave out of their wealth; but she, out of her poverty, put in everything—all she had to live on.”
#2.
Christjewry is the only royalism these people honestly know. The only time most of these people are adequate royalists is when it comes to the King of the Jews. The only time they have a familial bond is in their universal Church and being members of the King of the Jews' body and as Christians. Some will be nationalists but totally completely blind to dynastic patriotism, yet wholly invested with Christjewy and with being Spiritual Jews by this King of the Jews' blood--this double standard and apathy towards their own native royalism has made me wish to see every Christjew get his panties in a bunch because them getting offended at their own jew king is the only things that motivates conservatives these days. 
I have grown to resent this deeply that they are mixed constitutionalists for any other monarchy but fully committed royalists for the King of the Jews. Understandable with Charles III, I won't lie, but for the aforementioned reasons above the King of the Jews is worse. Royalism should be a familial bond, not only as Spiritual Jews by the King of the Jews' blood--BUT BY YOUR OWN KING'S BLOOD! and a family within your own nation by that blood bond, at least ideally, though it is rarely realized (& no thanks to Christjewry usurping that role and diverting royalty away from it with another blood relationship--Christ's blood and being Spiritual Israelites).
#3. 
They'll complain about palaces and luxuries while building countless palaces (churches/cathedrals) for the King of the Jews. Numerous Cathedrals and Churches over the ruins of ancient heritage and temples. 
The Cathedral, as said before, represents an Anti-City City New Jewrusalem.
#4.
Some of them will treat their own European leaders with contempt and only say that Christ the King of the Jews was the only decent leader they ever had, because he was a slave of all and slave of slaves.
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Glad I could vent because as a monarchist overall you're expected to bend over and do everything Christians want or be hit with the iron rod of excommunication or denounced for not embracing Christianity or for not only lauding their notion of complete saint king who gets whipped and kisses papal toes. Honestly won't lie that Christian/Tradcath larper fatigue is part of the reason why I am here and being dubbed Frederick the Great and accused of not liking Christianity before (which has become a self-fulfilled prophecy).
It is an annoying double standard because while I find /christian/ anons demanding on a /monarchy/ front and overall walking around like they own the place--they are rather apologetic, lovebombing, and kneeling over to win over their enemies on /pol/--which I hope /pol/fags don't fall for because letting these people get any dominance is a mistake and they'll walk all over you once they get the impression they successfully have overridden all other voices and established a foothold and pull everything towards Christjewry.
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A Christjew the other day was denouncing ancestral European leaders and only taking time to honor his Jesus. 
Honestly it's extremely taboo to say, but I hate dealing with committed Christfags from a monarchist perspective because they regard every ruler who a total Christian sap/figurehead of their denomination as Pharaoh/Nero/Henry VIII like figure and act like anarchists at times.
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Nietzsche in his work The Anti-Christ makes a valid point about the inherent enmity towards aristocratic rulers within Christianity:
>Christian, again, is all deadly enmity to the rulers of the earth, to the "aristocratic"--along with a sort of secret rivalry with them (--one resigns one's "body" to them; one wants only one's "soul"...). And Christian is all hatred of the intellect, of pride, of courage, of freedom, of intellectual libertinage; Christian is all hatred of the senses, of joy in the senses, of joy in general.
I particularly stress that with Nietzsche (one owes one's body, the other one's soul) and how Hobbes and Rousseau also outlined this.
For this enmity, it begins with their hatred of the Pharaoh and their beloved ancestors who were enslaved in Egypt and later Nero.
This shows with Khamanei's tweet and Abrahamic emnity stemming from their enmity with the Pharaoh:
>That father figure sitting there with arrogance and pride, passing judgment on the entire world, he too should know that usually, the tyrants and oppressors of the world, like Pharaoh and Nimrod and Reza Khan and Mohammad Reza and the likes of them, when they were at the peak of their pride, were toppled,
Not that I care for Donald Trump being lambasted as some kind of Pharaoh figure.
It's merely they always invoke their Pharaoh. 
Nietzsche is right to describe it as "slave morality" because it begins with the ancestral bond to the Jews as slaves in Egypt.
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>>12387
Kikes were never slaves though. Exodus is a bunch of lies with no historical backing, just another example of ateocity propaganda before the Holohoax. It's crazy how they use the same tricks every single time, and it works, every single time.
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>>12308
>No, you outright implied the Israelites were once White, you lying kike
Again, with those reading comprehension issues. You can't say "no" when what I say is factual because I know what I actually said and claimed. You're not even addressing my reply and now switching back to the other point about white phenotypic features being alluded to in some few Old Testament sources, which was a point I lifted because I found it interesting. Why? If you think it's all too metaphorical then CI people are reading too much into it, but if the convoluted way that led some people to write some books in the Old Testament has involved, maybe, a bunch of White people, perhaps cucks of their time, and they took inspiration from definitely culturally and historically Aryan (noble) themed texts preceding them, then it's a strange quirk of theology. I find the argument that what should be read as literal physical descriptions made with the words of that time should be considered totally irrelevant to be lazy. Didn't Asha Logos make a recent comment or video about the odd link between Greek alphabet and the original Hebraic one? The Old Testament was given birth inside a region that saw many racial tribes and culture live alongside each other, sometimes mix.
>And besides, you keep dodging what on what I said about the priests being against violence.
I don't remember you making that point but that may be due to me deciding to skim the retarded posts after I saw they were of no use. It wouldn't change anything about what is found in the texts, would it?
Now look at what you made me write above, just to correct another one of your stupid errors which could have been easily avoided if you paid attention and weren't behaving like an AI bot running on two bytes of RAM.
>I already know what your stupid ass was trying to twist. You thought my earlier point about Jews borrowing from surrounding cultures (including distant Aryan ones) was me admitting the OT is somehow tied to the Vedas or Greek myths.
I invite you to read your own post and see what sources you referenced then.
>the OT has no connection to our (European/Aryan) culture.
Our Aryan culture at some point spanned a region stretched between Egypt and India, at the very least. We ruled over brown people but we were a minority at the top. The picture is far more complex than you think. Abrahm walks down from the North. His wife is Sarah. Brahm is a common root in India. Saraswati is the name of a Hindu river too besides being the name of Brahma's consort (and sister). The OT people seem to have cherry picked their stuff and made a synthesis of what they saw fit for their time and area.
But you bore me so I shall let you stew in your juices.

>>12375
Same with Islam.
Christians have their texts that automatically pre-absolve them of their ways, it's self-reinforcement. Both Christianity and Islam are universal cults.

>>12382
>his anti-democratic philosophy made him pretty unpopular in Athens too despite never being put on trial and being allowed to run his own academy. 
Athens falling into democracy was not a good thing. Plato was based.
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>Abrahm walks down from the North. His wife is Sarah. Brahm is a common root in India. Saraswati is the name of a Hindu river too besides being the name of Brahma's consort (and sister). The OT people seem to have cherry picked their stuff and made a synthesis of what they saw fit for their time and area.
I have to agree with the other anon: the praise of OT and trying to wrap it around to Christian identity is severe cuckoldry. 
We should stop at once with this cuckoldry of adopting the King of the Jews and their holy book and their forefathers Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and their God Yahweh. I know Christianity has been pulled over on us for centuries and people have read these holy texts:
The current state of children in the West is they are raised by Japanese men in video games and anime, raised by Black men in sports and rap music, and for far too long raised by Jews in their worship and identity/soul. 
It has been a thousand years--a sunken cost fallacy to try and find anything in their holy books when we should be like the French Revolutionaries and trying to scrap it wholesale to not be mentally fucked anymore.
What we figuratively need is something akin to the Cultural Revolution to utterly demolish everything and start anew. Let people revere another figure other than Jesus. Scrap everything to the junkyard.
All well and good, but how do we usher in the revival of our ancestral religions?
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Adam Green talking about the Jews and Messiah prophecy anticipating making all the nations and their kings their bitches... 
...It is sad to look at Christian Monarchy and see this fulfilled... with Christian kings subjecting themselves to the Pope or other bishops as representatives of this Messiah along with their nations.
It is repulsive to me from a monarchist and nationalist outlook to even begin to tolerate this.
Notice here:
Isaiah 60:16
>Thou shalt also suck the milk of the Gentiles, and shalt suck the breast of kings: and thou shalt know that I the Lord am thy Savior and thy Redeemer, the mighty One of Jacob
This alludes to the Eucharist--and certainly that they have sucked away the milk from kings--in this case, the blood, and the blood relationship, severing that milk and blood bond within the nation, transplanting it to another nation (The Church) and another King (Jesus King of the Jews)... and by drinking this milk to become a family and grow a bond--that is what is stolen and usurped.
Like John Carpenter's The Thing, Jesus steals the archtype that Aristotle notes was the royal bond, like how an ant colony is suckled of the same blood and milk, so too with these tribes and royalty. 
>And this is the reason why Hellenic states were originally governed by kings; ...the kingly form of government prevailed because they were of the same blood and suckled 'with the same milk'.
The Messianic prophecy is all about severing these blood ties and annulling them and that is precisely what has been done: they severed the old gods, stole the imperial cult from the genius of the emperors and severed the kingly blood bond, they are robbing the gentile nations of their own identity by having them name their children after the Old Testament Jews, and presenting a new cult of personality around Jesus as their own archtype and central figure--detaching it from all social instinct and familial bond amongst themselves, transplanted and grafting them, bodysnatching and raising Jesus as their King they adore and building him countless palaces and having their kings like servants for their Messiah to hit over the head with a rod of iron. No wonder Christian royalty are so cucked, feeble, and in decline when this is the basis. 
Ideally it would be more like North Korea with their familialism if Westerners were to have any genuine royalism: except genuine royalism is all alienated to Christianity and like I said Christianity is the only genuine royalism these people know.

>>12393
I'm of the opinion to be like North Korea and introduce a new imperial cult: they have their leaders basically worshipped with ancestral worship and the mention of King Tangun. This isn't far from what it was like with Woden >>11535 but I would institute a cult of personality, familialism, and overall try to start from scratch in many ways with a new culture. 
This is daydreamy /monarchy/fag whim--I'll admit, I am /monarchy/fag--that is what I would do if I had any sway to change things.
It wouldn't be a total start from scratch, but I am not sure how well a return to old gods would work without seeming too anachronistic. I'm more sold on a Caligulan outlook of setting up a cult of personality and my own ideas. I like familialism/ancestor worship instituted this way.
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>Consequently, you are no longer foreigners and aliens, but fellow citizens with God's people and members of God's household, built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone.
- Ephesians 2:19-20

How so many people play along with this shit baffles me. 
Christianity is the most cosmopolitian, anti-nationalist/anti-face force there is and overwhelmingly people accept it because muh social utility--the most misguided viewpoint one could have because Christianity is repulsive to social cohesion on so many levels and urges people to become social outcasts.
Even back then in Christian history it was a cobbled mess that sadly people are swept up in romanticizing.
>>12391
>Athens falling into democracy was not a good thing
Part of the reason why ancient Athens was a superpower of its time was due to its democracy. I'm not a fan of democracy either, but it is undeniable that Athenian Democracy was successful even at its most shittiest moments. Far superior to modern democracy which are amped by Christian morals and values.
>Plato was based 
Cuckchan buzzword, and no he wasn't. Plato was still a mid-wit. A lot of his beliefs are things even you would probably strongly disagree with such as the time he suggested for the abolishment of private property for statesmen and his advocation of education for women. ffs can you just stop posting at this point?
>>12391
>You can't say "no" when what I say is factual because I know what I actually said and claimed.
I’ve said “no” multiple times and backed it up with why you’re wrong. You’re just an egotistical retard who can’t handle the OT being a straight-up Jewish tribal text that doesn’t align with natural Aryan order or values.

>You're not even addressing my reply and now switching back to the other point about white phenotypic features being alluded to in some few Old Testament sources, which was a point I lifted because I found it interesting.
I’ve addressed every single thing you’ve thrown out. I broke down why Christogenea’s “white features” crap is retarded, it’s cherry-picking vague descriptions that aren’t exclusive to whites (ruddy skin, fair complexion shows up in tons of ancient Near Eastern peoples). Go reread >>12241 if you need a refresher, but I know you won’t because coping is your default.

>If you think it's all too metaphorical then CI people are reading too much into it, but if the convoluted way that led some people to write some books in the Old Testament has involved, maybe, a bunch of White people, perhaps cucks of their time, and they took inspiration from definitely culturally and historically Aryan (noble) themed texts preceding them, then it's a strange quirk of theology.
Nah, I’ve already explained why it couldn’t have involved white/Aryan people at the core, the Israelites’ traditions, language, and heritage are solidly Semitic, drawing from Canaanite, Mesopotamian, and Egyptian sources. They had tensions with Indo-European groups like the Philistines (possibly Aegean-related) or later Persians. Your “maybe Whites were involved” is pure speculation without evidence. It’s not a quirk, it’s fringe Christian Identity fanfic.

>I find the argument that what should be read as literal physical descriptions made with the words of that time should be considered totally irrelevant to be lazy.
So you’re just refusing to accept facts right in front of you, like a tranny denying biology no matter how much evidence piles up? Got it.

>Didn't Asha Logos make a recent comment or video about the odd link between Greek alphabet and the original Hebraic one?
Asha Logos is a crypto-christcuck at best, or full Christian identist. There is no connection with Hebrew and Greek. The closet you have to this are the Phoenicians.

>The Old Testament was given birth inside a region that saw many racial tribes and culture live alongside each other, sometimes mix.
Yeah, mostly Semites (Canaanites, Aramaeans, etc.) with some North African and Anatolian influences.

>I don't remember you making that point but that may be due to me deciding to skim the retarded posts
That’s your whole problem, you skim because you can’t handle stronger arguments. Act like a White man and read properly. I’ve hammered home 3-4 times that the OT priests were often anti-warrior faggots, pushing ethics and critiques that undercut the conquest narratives you hype. But your nigger-tier attention span skips that.

>It wouldn't change anything about what is found in the texts, would it?
It directly contradicts your “OT is more warriorly than NT” bullshit. If you’d read my previous posts, you’d see how the OT balances conquest stories with constant condemnations of violence and empire-building.

>if you paid attention and weren't behaving like an AI bot running on two bytes of RAM.
<Doesn’t know how RAM works
<Admits to skimming posts instead of reading them straight
But somehow I’m the retard?

>I invite you to read your own post and see what sources you referenced then.
I invite you to actually read mine and stop being a retard.

>Our Aryan culture at some point spanned a region stretched between Egypt and India, at the very least
Irrelevant to what I said. Doesn’t make the OT Aryan-authored or influenced in any core way.
>We ruled over brown people but we were a minority at the top.
I don't see how this makes the OT Aryan.

>The picture is far more complex than you think. Abrahm walks down from the North. His wife is Sarah. Brahm is a common root in India. Saraswati is the name of a Hindu river too besides being the name of Brahma's consort (and sister).
Most retarded shit I’ve read tonight. Thanks for the laughs. You sound like a poo-in-loo christcuck pushing woo-woo etymology. Those “links” are fringe pseudohistory, Abraham’s from Ur (Mesopotamia), not India, and the name similarities are coincidental at best, because they do not possess the same meaning.

I’m still waiting for you to denounce Judaism. While you're at it. Curse Vishnu as well.
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Christians = Christjews
Church = Christjew Family
Christ the King = Changeling King
I want to meme the idea Christjews are bodysnatchers for pagan anons, because I think this sums up what Christjewry is and everything wrong with it.
If the Romans were so based why couldn't they come up with their own mythology instead of aping the Greek's?
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>>12410
We're mostly here to say Christjewry sucks.
Christjewry sucks toes bad.
Christians have fulfilled the jewish prophecies in getting the goyim to serve and their kings to be servants.

>So Jesus called them together and said, “You know that those regarded as rulers of the Gentiles lord it over them, and their superiors exercise authority over them. But it shall not be this way among you. Instead, whoever wants to become great among you must be your servant, and whoever wants to be first must be the slave of all. For even the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His life as a ransom for many.”
Mark 10:42-45
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>>12411
That doesn't answer my question.
>>12410
The Romans are Trojans.
>>12410
They did. Janus is Roman, so it Sol. pre-Greek Roman religion is very interesting.
>>12382
This is pure Nietzsche fantasy.
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>>12416
>brings up Nietzsche out of nowhere 
>implying Nietzsche was wrong
This is the truth. If all ancient Greeks were ascetic, Plato wouldn't have been bitching about Athens and the rest of the Greeks rejecting his dumbass philosophy and being too 'worldly' for his taste.
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>>12410
They didn't ape it all. The Romans certainly had their own ancient gods. Core deities like Jupiter, Mars, and Quirinus formed the earliest important triad and held the highest place in early Roman religion, long before any strong Gayreek influence arrived. The Romans did not simply take over Gayreek mythology whole. They used it as a source of inspiration. Early contacts with the Etruscans, who had already absorbed some Gayreek ideas, and with the Gayreek colonies of southern Italy, Magna Graecia, introduced Roman elites to Gayreek art, literature, and religion. In time, those elites came to admire Gayreek culture, finding it richer and more expressive than their own native ways. Hellenization sped up greatly when Rome conquered the Greek cities of southern Italy in the and later brought the Hellenistic kingdoms of the eastern Mediterranean under Roman rule. This brought a flood of direct Greek influence into Roman life. Rome had mythology, but overtime they were culturally conquered by the Hellenics.
>>12417
Nietzsche was wrong and made up bunch of shit that never happened. He alo fellated Jews.
Plato wasn't an ascetic, none of the Platonists were. Plotinus didn't wash himself because he was a NEET.
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>>12420
>Nietzsche was wrong and made up bunch of shit that never happened. 
Nietzsche was not "making up" historical or cultural claims about ancient Greece; he was a highly respected classical philologist. He studied Greek language, literature, and culture intensively throughout his education and career, earning a professorship in classical philology at the University of Basel at age 24—the youngest ever appointed to such a position. His early work focused on Greek texts, and he was regarded by contemporaries as a leading expert in the field.
>He alo fellated Jews.
Claims that Nietzsche "fawned over" or uncritically praised Jews are inaccurate. While he sharply criticized political antisemitism (which he viewed as vulgar, resentful, and often tied to Christian hypocrisy), he also expressed negative views about Judaism and Jewish characteristics. He described Judaism as priestly and resentful in origin, associating it with the development of "slave morality" in works like On the Genealogy of Morality and The Antichrist. He saw Jews as historically influential but critiqued what he viewed as their priestly values, while rejecting crude racial antisemitism and even suggesting assimilation (e.g., through intermarriage, foolish I know but this was actually common amongst anti-Semites during his time) as preferable to exclusion. His stance was complex: anti-antisemitic in politics, yet containing anti-Jewish sentiment.
>Plato wasn't an ascetic, none of the Platonists were. 
Plato was not a full ascetic in the sense of total worldly renunciation (like some later Stoics or Cynics), but his philosophy does exhibit ascetic tendencies. He consistently prioritized the soul over the body, viewing the soul as superior and capable of ascending toward the eternal Forms (truth, beauty, goodness). In dialogues such as the Phaedo, he portrays philosophy as a "practice for dying". A purification from bodily distractions, where the philosopher avoids excessive pleasures to focus on the soul's health. In the Gorgias and Republic, he warns that unchecked appetites, luxury, and bodily indulgences corrupt individuals and societies. The ideal guardians in the Republic live simply, without private property or excess, to preserve justice and philosophical focus. These ideas emphasize moderation and rational control over appetites rather than purely Stoic "temperament," though they share similarities with later ascetic traditions. Plato advocated a disciplined, philosophically guided lifestyle that limits bodily pleasures when they hinder the pursuit of virtue and knowledge.
>Plotinus didn't wash himself because he was a NEET.
That's still retarded, but you're wrong. Plotinus, as a key Neoplatonist, explicitly supported ascetic practices to purify the soul and achieve union with the "One". He advocated detachment from bodily concerns, viewing the body as a potential source of distraction or "ugliness" that encrusts the soul (as in Enneads 1.6). While anecdotes about his personal habits (e.g., reluctance to wash) are sometimes exaggerated or symbolic of extreme detachment, they align with his broader emphasis on spiritual purification over physical comfort. Calling this "NEET-like" behavior misses the philosophical context: it was a deliberate ascetic stance, not mere "laziness".
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>>12422
German philology of the time is notorious for it's inaccuracies. Philology as a subject was always inferior, it was gender studies of it's time.

You are advocating some hedonism that is utterly modernist and is contrary to 99% of the ancient thought. The republic is hardly a political commentary on how states and individuals shoukd function, Socrates mentions this within the work itself. Nearly all religion have some kind of afterlife and superior mode of existence, Nietzsche endorsed buddhism and Zoroastrianism even though thosr religions are "worse" example of what he's criticizing. Heaven and hell is more pagan than Abrahamic, in fact Nietzsche's thought is very close to Judaism, which doesn't have much concern for the after-life.
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>>12425
>The republic is hardly a political commentary on how states and individuals shoukd functio
Unpopular opinion:
The Republic does have political commentary--incredibly relevant to /fascist/--it is just esoterics who want to deny the political reading, i.e. (((Leo Strauss)) and tbh other people for obvious biases.
The esoteric bias is anti-poltiics in general & ultra-clerical--a habit gained from ultra-clericalist Catholicism.
The political reading of Plato's Republic is important for this board /fascist/ because it is an early instance of State Corporatist politics also, so that is another reason why I would say it is valid. 
It is unpopular to suggest the political reading partially because of the association with Karl Popper's The Open Society and Its Enemies which is why the political reading is partially under attack besides neoconservative thinktank academics like ((( Leo Strauss ))) who only want an esoteric reading.

George Klosko is a notable apologist who defends the political reading:
Implementing the Ideal State
https://www.jstor.org/stable/2130373

THE 'STRAUSSIAN' INTERPRETATION OF PLATO'S "REPUBLIC"
https://www.jstor.org/stable/26213276

Plato's Utopianism: The Political Context of the Early Dialogues
(Can be found in related articles on jstor)
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To ignore Plato's Republic as a political commentary is to ignore a lot.
First off, Plato's Republic is referenced in Timaeus and Laws which validates the political reading.
Secondly, Plato's Republic as a political reading is highly relevant to /fascist/: In Plato's Republic, it is an early example of unitary State Corporatism as a political outlook (which /fascist/ advocates), it stresses the importance of the State, & the basis on which commonality in race is to be preserved (community of pleasures and pains)--which are viewpoints in politics heavily related to this board.

Plato's Republic State Corporatism:
>"And the city whose state is most like that of an individual man."

>“The same,” he said, “and, to return to your question, the best governed state most nearly resembles such an organism.”

>But we further agreed that this unity is the greatest blessing for a state, and we compared a well governed state to the human body in its relation to the pleasure and pain of its parts.”

Importantly, in the context of ultra-clericalism, Plato denies philosophers to just waft off and not benefit their respective states, which refutes the ultra-clericalism of Christianity to decline the common good of states in pursuit of the Church and anti-political stances like Church sword > Political sword:

Glaucon:
>"But is not this unjust? Ought we to give them a worse life, when they might have a better?"

Socrates:
>"You have again forgotten, my friend, the intention of the legislator, who did not aim at making any one class in the State happy above the rest; the happiness was to be in the whole State, and he held the citizens together by persuasion and necessity, making them benefactors of the State, and therefore benefactors of one another; to this end he created them, not to please themselves, but to be his instruments in binding up the State.

The above text is what ultra-clericals don't want to hear--that they must keep in their minds the integrity of their respective States and uphold them rather than abandon them and degrade political importance--because ultimately their flaw is they want the partiality of the clerical class and the Church's partiality against the benefit of their homeland/State and the citizens...

Also, Plato's Republic is important in relation to Christianity itself & Church polity, even to Jesus Christ and his teachings (which at times mirrors Plato's Republic) which indeed are political.

The idea that you need to groom a whole new generation of children to prepare them for the next state is found in Plato and in Jesus--the political commentary is called for and practiced in Christianity (& thereby validated) as saying of Jesus.

Plato-children no more than the age of ten:
>Their first act will be to send away into the country all those who are more than ten years of age, and to proceed with those who are left.

Jesus:
>and said, “Truly, I say to you, unless you turn and become like children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.

>And whoever welcomes a little child like this in My name welcomes Me. But whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a great millstone fastened around his neck and to be drowned in the depth of the sea.

Anyways, the incentives for their denial of the political reading couldn't be more obvious:
- They want the partiality of the clerical class / the Church against the well being of the State and teach anti-politics from a Christian bias

- They are biased against State Corporatism / hate the idea of a centralized State apparatus and instead prefer Aristotle's idea of a plurality of clans / multi-parties

- Their conservative / right libertarian leniency doesn't like Plato's criticism of private property breaking a community of pleasures and pains

I could point to numerous other examples where Plato's teaching is not only re-affirmed in Republic but also in Laws (which people like to deny the political reading of the former for the latter)--but the political influences there are undeniable for State Corporatism and found in numerous other works, like the idea that even if private property should be dispersed it should still be considered subordinate to and as a part of the Stately body (which is an idea also found in other works of Fascism and Thomas Hobbes also brings up this idea).
>>12432
There are political insights in the books, but it's not the main point of it. This is not a modern jewish view, this is view of the Platonists themselves.
I do agree that it's relevant to fascism and I've heard Mussolini carried the Republic around with him.
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>>12436
You would think it a mere coincidence that Plato uses the analogy of a city to the idea of the soul.
It's Christianity that wants to divorce people from their respective polis and tell them to be social outcasts.
The purely esoteric reading & denial of political reading is a facet of ((( Leo Strauss ))) and his interpretation.
And yes, he is a modern jew. 
For validation of a political reading I recommend George Klosko.
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>>12438
Read Proclus' commentary on it if you don't believe me.
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To make my mission statement clear:
The ultimate problem with Traditionalism is it has inherited the prejudice of its Christian counterpart--the utlramontanism/ultra-clericalism of Catholicism--which in asserting itself, has denied the importance of politics to instead assert the primacy of the Church against the interests of the State. 
This is a trend starting with Christianity: I wholly re-affirm what Rousseau says in Social Contract.

>This was the situation when Jesus came to set up on earth a spiritual kingdom, which, by separating the theological from the political system, destroyed the unity of the state, and caused the internal divisions that never ceased to trouble Christian peoples. This new idea of a kingdom of 'the other world' could never have occurred to pagans, so they always regarded the Christians as really rebels.

>But this religion, having no special relation to the body politic, leaves the laws with only the force they draw from themselves without adding anything to it; which means that one of the great bonds for uniting the society of the given country is left idle. Worse: so far from binding the citizens' hearts to the state, it detaches them from that and from all earthly things. I know of nothing more contrary to the social spirit.

>Christianity is an entirely spiritual religion, occupied solely with heavenly things; the Christian's country is not of this world.

>But I'm wrong to speak of a Christian republic

This clerical anti-politics of the anti-polis polis of the New Jerusalem is ultimately why we cannot unite these ideals with the state and make them worthy of practice--because they seek to disinherit the political states for the partiality of the Church.
This causes them to abandon the integrity of states, thereby the integrity of society as a whole, to private cliques of the parish grounds, ultimately rendering conservatism useless in instilling virtues upon society as a whole, because it has made society as a whole the enemy, and ultimately denied the inherent virtues consisting in it.
Christianity almost suggests a man can be w/o his polis. Plato's Republic makes the polis a mirror to the soul... Christianity: the anti-polis polis, the Cathedral, the New Jerusalem, which a man may abandon family, city/nation, & be an outcast for Christ's sake.
Christianity as well lacks the Aristotelian appeal to & optimism for the polis, thinks it Sodom & Gomorrah until it submits to Christianity, & thereby worthy of destruction irrespective of those inherent virtues in the conventions and friendships established therein.

>>12439
Where does it invalidate any political reading? I think the political reading is valid--I don't think that necessarily invalidates its other teachings, but again by denying the political context you're denying the inclusion of the city with the soul and ideals of justice with politics--that is a problem responsible for many contemporary woes and the inability of traditionalists of the conservative branch to aid us.
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Hobbes & Rousseau are validated in saying that the juxtaposition of spiritualists and temporalists is the source for disunity and the lack of cohesion. 
>Or else there must needs follow Faction, and Civil war in the Common-wealth, between the Church and State; between Spiritualists, and Temporalists; between the Sword Of Justice, and the Shield Of Faith; and (which is more) in every Christian mans own brest, between the Christian, and the Man. The Doctors of the Church, are called Pastors; so also are Civill Soveraignes: But if Pastors be not subordinate one to another, so as that there may bee one chief Pastor, men will be taught contrary Doctrines, whereof both may be, and one must be false. Who that one chief Pastor is, according to the law of Nature, hath been already shewn; namely, that it is the Civill Soveraign;
And many elements of Plato's Republic is also found in Hobbes' Leviathan (although, yes, the philsophies are opposed, with Hobbes' materialism and nominalist criteria, but nevertheless as two State Corporatist works).

from Hobbes:
>And in him consisteth the Essence of the Common-wealth; which (to define it,) is "One Person--"
&
>"The error concerning mixed government [constitutionalism] has proceeded from want of understanding of what is meant by this word body politic, and how it signifies not the concord, but the union of many men."

So Leviathan is one individual person, like the State Corporatism of Plato's Republic mirrors the State after one individual person--also the stress on unity.

Compare with Plato Republic:
>And the city whose state is most like that of an individual man.
&
>“The same,” he said, “and, to return to your question, the best governed state most nearly resembles such an organism.”
&
>But we further agreed that this unity is the greatest blessing for a state, and we compared a well governed state to the human body in its relation to the pleasure and pain of its parts.”
&
>That the other citizens too must be sent to the task for which their natures were fitted, one man to one work, in order that each of them fulfilling his own function may be not many men, but one, and so the entire city may come to be not a multiplicity but a unity.

Hobbes stresses the Sovereignty as the Soul of Commonwealth
>For the Sovereign, is the public Soul, giving Life and Motion to the Commonwealth [State].
>[The Sovereign] relation to the City is not that of the head, but of the soul to the body. For it is the soul by which a man has a will, that is, can either will, or nill.
Plato's Republic mirrors the State to the soul--and in Laws talks about the soul in giving motion.

Then Plato's Republic talks about a community of pleasures and pains--Hobbes Leviathan also talks about the State's laws as the unity of a community of pleasures and pains (in his own nominalist fashion, but consider this stress on pleasure and pain is also seen as very ideal in Plato's Republic).
Plato Republic
>And the chief cause of this is when the citizens do not utter in unison such words as ‘mine’ and ‘not mine,’
Hobbes Leviathan:
>But in a Common-wealth this measure [private interpretation] is false: Not the Appetite of Private men, but the Law, which is the Will and Appetite of the State is the measure. 
Hobbes' State is the community of pleasures and pains of all the citizens.

The chief State Corporatist idea that the unity of the State subordinates all other divisions of property and the denial of a concordant/pluralist view is also relevant between these two works:
Plato:
>That the man who receives the portion should still regard it as common property of the whole State
Hobbes writes,
>Propriety of a subject excludes not the dominion of the Sovereign, but only of another subject.
My opinion is denying the political reading of Plato's Republic is denying a huge chunk relevant to the history of political thought and practice.
People will pick and choose which political teachings in Plato's Republic are valid and which are to be disregarded:
For instance, people almost unanimously love to reference Plato that the best ruler is the disinterested ruler who doesn't want to rule to begin with, and the worst candidates are those most interested in ruling.
This picks up a lot of bias with the right libertarian crowd/those in favor of less state intervention--
However, take the State Corporatist teachings of Plato's Republic (that /fascist/ would say is valid) and people will say these points are invalid and not meant for political reference (for obvious biases). That I think denying the political side of Plato's Republic is denying some foundation texts relevant to /fascist/ and early advocates of state corporatism (which Plato is an early advocate thereof--because, yes, I think it isn't only accidental but very much a quality /fascist/ can pick up on).
>"Vengeance is mine; I will repay," says the Lord.
>Romans 12:19
LOL fuck off gaylord. Vengeance is ours and it will be delivered in this world, on the material plane.
>>12425
>German philology of the time is notorious for its inaccuracies
No it isn’t. And even if you want to pretend it is, that still doesn’t touch what I actually said: Nietzsche was a world-class academic who spent years mastering Greek texts. He wasn’t some dilettante who dashed off a book because it felt good. German philology in the 19th century was the gold standard of textual criticism: rigorous, obsessive, groundbreaking. Calling it “notorious for inaccuracies” is just you swinging at air because you don’t like where the evidence points.
>Philology as a subject was always inferior, it was gender studies of its time.
That’s literally just recycled Platonism, sneering at careful, grounded scholarship because it doesn’t float up into your ideal clouds. Philology was the opposite of trendy bullshit; it was the hardest, most meticulous humanities discipline of the era.
>You are advocating some hedonism that is utterly modernist
You’re actually brain-dead if you think rejecting asceticism and Platonism automatically makes someone a hedonist. Opposing life-denying priestly garbage doesn’t mean “chase pleasure 24/7.” Nietzsche hammers hedonism constantly Epicureanism, utilitarianism, all of it. He wants affirmation of this world, strength, greatness, not some soft modern “do whatever feels good” crap. Calling that hedonism is the laziest strawman a conservative and Platonist can reach for.
>and is contrary to 99% of the ancient thought.
You still haven’t refuted a single thing I said. It’s flat-out impossible to claim Platonism and asceticism represented “99% of ancient thought.” Most Greeks were nothing like Plato’s monkish ideals for they loved symposia, athletics, war, sex, honor. Asceticism was a marginal weirdness until Christianity turbocharged it.
>The republic is hardly a political commentary on how states and individuals should function; Socrates mentions this within the work itself.
<Explains the structure and justice of the state
<Spells out roles and duties for every class
<Gives explicit advice on how to run a state and what makes a proper ruler
<Explicitly critiques democracy
Yeah, totally not political commentary at all.
>Nearly all religions have some kind of afterlife and superior mode of existence
No, they don’t. Stop trying to plaster Platonism onto everything. This is exactly why normal pagans can’t stand you people, you’re as dishonest as Christians, just with a different coat of paint. I can see where Christianity got its habits from now. Actual Hellenic religion did not share Plato’s metaphysical fever dreams about the afterlife.
>Nietzsche endorsed Buddhism and Zoroastrianism even though those religions are “worse” examples of what he’s criticizing.
Here you go again, cherry-picking. Nietzsche does NOT endorse those religions. He admires the figure of Zarathustra as a starting point to overcome, and he rips Buddhism to shreds (calls it nihilistic, passive, decadent). Nietzsche doesn't admire or endorse Zoroastrianism at all. He blames it for inventing the good-vs-evil dualism that poisoned morality and led straight to priestly slave religions like Christianity. He calls moral dualism a catastrophic mistake, the root of life-denying metaphysics. That's straight criticism of the core Zoroastrian idea. Why use the name for his prophet in Thus Spoke Zarathustra? Pure irony and subversion. Nietzsche has his Zarathustra undo the damage: overcome morality, announce the Overman, affirm eternal recurrence and this world (no transcendent good/evil bullshit). It's a deliberate flip. The "inventor" of morality now destroys it. He doesn't praise the religion; he hijacks the figure to say "your dualism started the decay, now watch me end it."
>Buddhism
This one's more nuanced. Nietzsche has real respect for Buddhism compared to Christianity (calls it way more honest and realistic), but he still rips it as nihilistic, passive, and decadent. Definitely no endorsement as something to follow; it's a symptom of exhaustion, not strength. He respects it as less vengeful and dishonest than Christianity, but ultimately rejects it for denying the will to power and greatness. It's passive nihilism; his philosophy is active, Dionysian yes-saying. Him admiring or saying nice things does not mean he endorses it.
>Nietzsche’s thought is very close to Judaism, which doesn’t have much concern for the afterlife.
Lol, lmao even. Nietzsche’s thought is the polar opposite of Judaism in almost every way that matters. He despises ressentiment, slave morality, priestly mediation. The exact things he traces straight back to Judaism (read Genealogy). The philosopher whose ideas actually line up with Jewish theocratic structure and metaphysics? Plato. Hellenistic Jews literally thought Plato was divinely inspired; Philo fused the two; the Kingdom of Israel’s later intellectual elite treated Plato like he was one of their own. If you’re looking for “close to Judaism,” start with the guy who gave you the eternal soul, the ideal realm, and the philosopher-king priest class. Not Nietzsche.
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>>12446
Nietzsche based his ideas on absence of evidence. Same as Axial age retards now.

Every time you people reject "ascetism" it means going to clubs are doing drugs or whatever. At it's root Nietzsche was the biggest moralfag and a hyporcite, he wanted you to embrace his kind of "life" and he defined anything he didn't like as non-life. He want strength ans greatness? I thought he wanted the uberman, one who defines his own values, not just "master morality."
I'm not a conservative or a platonist. Some of the positions i'm taking now is for the sake of the argument and polemics.
I never said 99% of ancient greeks were like plato, they just were unlike Nietzsche. 
"We love war and sex" yes this is what you find in ancient works. The fact that most people were ascetics is obvious to everyone and doesn't mean much.
Your criticism of the republic is that it oresches not being hedonistics, so the political point isn't even relevant.
I'm dishonest because I don't think Plato invented heaven? By "actual" hellenic religion you of course meaning something with no records that you deduced from reading Homer like a protestant, or rather taking whatever Nietzsche said at face value.
I'll grant you the point about Zarathustra, but with buddhism there is no reason to place it above Platonism. Forms of Buddhism like pure Land are basically even worse that Christianity from thst perspective.
>"less vengeful"
You are woke. 

Plato did actually have a lot of influence on Judaism but to say that he invented Jewish priesthood is just silly. At the end of the day jews relegated lot of Platonism in kabbalah and there is some materialism found in judaism and lot of their ideas line up with nietzsche, but not in a way  that looks good so it's not Nietzschean. In judaism soul is created and return in god, heaven is barely mentioned and their priest class is bunch of actual academic nerds doing textual analysis all day like Nietzsche.
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>>12452
Let me start reading this:
>Every time you people reject "ascetism" it means going to clubs are doing drugs or whatever.
Saying this, on /fascist/... 
I'm not going to read more till you get your head out of your own ass.
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>>12453
It's the truth. Biggest Nietzschean faction on the far-right are BAPtists and that's the kind of stuff they are into.
Otherwise it makes even less sense, you are some "dionysian" "life-affirmer" but don't want people fucking around and going to clubs? On what grounds?
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>>12453
That anon is likely a closet abrahamist. 
The way anon says
>you reduced from reading Homer like a protestant 
and
>muh BAP
reeks of christfag butthurt.
Who else cheers on the Old Testament but denounces Homer? 
It's also a christfag tendency say we need abrahamic tyranny because nofap or something.
Even though they don't really do a very good job at regimenting and disciplining society in the first place. We would honestly be better off with some other kind of totalitarianism--like /fascist/ itself does a better job at disciplining modern, contemporary people, and christfags lack severe believers to genuinely forgo these things for real.
Looking at contemporary society and christfaggotry, they'll not likely every get to a point where they can reform society to discipline people because they are again opposed to social utility itself. I think the Christian West does a terrible job, for all it complains about morality--at actually achieving what they want for society at large--compared to the Far East like Japan and the totalitarianism of China and North Korea.
They might as well be Muslims, like the perennialist traditionalists have decided to do--because Islamists actually perform daily acts of piety and take it much more seriously than  half-hearted christfag conservatives. 
I'm convinced the West would have been better off with Fascism. It works better with the temperament of Western people.
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It's usually the gall of christfags to denounce every aspect of society and treat it like one large public school and strive to denounce every piece of heritage because nofap.
They would throw away -everything- if it means making a very pitiful statement about nofapping and virtue-signalling.
Even though for all this they don't amount to very much in the first place--that is the kind of faggotry you get with abrahamists. 
It is just like >>12386 the pole anon in those screencaps who denounces and disinherits every European leader and mocks worshipping the "genius" of their Emperors because nofap and christfaggotry. Christfags are a the kind of race traitor who give simple, kneejerk reactions. 
Their response is a simple, kneejerk "we need to give everything to the Church" and clericalism to fix everything, and lionizing their clergymen more than Alexander the Great and dragging out the same old Christfag kings they make idols like Louis IX and Baldwin IV--they would honestly choose a little altar boy over any great leader figure--because christfags are extremely gawdy and sentimental that way about their clothed piety in a super sappy, melodramatic dog and pony show fashion.
You know what I mean, anon.
To them self-esteem, integrity, and familial bonds mean nothing in disciplining society compared to their sappy acts of piety: when I think it means everything to have a cult of personality, to have a familial bond/ancestor worship, to love your identity and heritage. It all consists in the family to model behavior, that is what I agree with the Far East about--Christfaggotry is a bastardization of this and is willing to forgo any bond to make sappy homages and degrade any king and bond even if it means destroying that virtue of a community of pleasures and pains that Plato talks about. --Community of pleasures and pains is achieved better with a cult of personality that is actually there and practiced... Jesus is invisible and only acts with icons, cannot correct the misdemeanor of his followers because he is gone and lacks communication, and the only pretense of seeing him is through their Eucharist ritual--it is far better to have a cult of personality like North Korea with their Leader, to model the country after a family, and to demand loyalty like that amongst the citizens--that is more integral, that is better than any sappy nofap appeal to me, because unlike the Popes who are elected it is actually experienced by a paternal regime with a hereditary government that practices genuine familial bonding. 
I think North Korea is far more loyal to each other and worth living for--North Koreans don't have any identity crisis in trying to be Spiritual Jews, they practice ancestral worship, they love who they are, and place loyalty amongst each other as if they really were a family--and more importantly, unlike Christfags, in such a way that they are a family, a blood relationship for their people, unlike Christfags whose Kingship is a blood they invite everyone to drink and a cult of personality is cold, stale, unmoving, like the statues they complain about in idolatry--in North Korea, the living bond of the Leaders is a living, breathing, compassionate thing, they aren't larping as spiritual jews for the glory of their afterlife in New Jerusalem, they are content to make their very lives a life worth living, and a familial dynasty behind their culture in their present life. That is why I resent christfags as a monarchist--I think hereditary royal monarchy itself is far superior with a cult of personality and regime like the North Koreans than anything Christfags have to offer with clericalism and self-deprivation--I think an active cult of personality, familialism and community of pleasures and pains, surrounding living monarchs and their offspring makes people into a family and have a familial bond far more than the Church's blood relationship and divisive church sects and the pride of the clergy.
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I assume that anon is questioning 
>what mythology did the Romans have
and
>By "actual" hellenic religion you of course meaning something with no records that you deduced from reading Homer like a protestant, or rather taking whatever Nietzsche said at face value.
Because this anon doesn't see how we can move forward without an established, organized religion that already exists like Christianity.
--To him I would say that Christianity is already in such a stark stagnation that Christianity might as well be without texts and without any traceable practice--it is a dying beast we should just prepare to move on without and suffer in finding a new way to live without.
My solution I have already pressed--We should embrace a new cult of personality and fascist-like totalitarianism, and embrace a familialism and kinship/hereditary cult of personality like the North Koreans to make ourselves a new familial regime. That is what I think monarchy is for but fails to be under Christianity (because it must appease Christ and his cosmopolitianism).
I'm aware paganism is anachronistic, so I recommend just making a new customs and a new culture as if we were starting from scratch, surrounded by reverence for a hereditary monarchy and imperial cult.
I think hero worship of leaders is better than Christ worship and has less stigma of being anachronistic compared to the pagan gods--that will upset pagan anons--but I'm of Aristotle's opinion that the lives of kings is the closest thing you'll get the lives of the gods and their pantheons--to me a cult of personality around kings is the closest thing you'll get to re-living a pagan pantheon in the modern era, because leader worship and the familialism of a leader in a nation is the closest thing to the legends and stories of deities--and that after having experienced the lives of kings, people will see the lives of gods in the heavens, because I think there is a strong correlation between living monarchy and celestial pantheons, and that the former inspires belief in the latter after long romanticism and attachment to a leader, not that there isn't anything to study and learn about in the latter, but rather what is seen in divinity is discovered through the lives of the royalty.
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To re-affirm my position, I'll allude to this--yes, I'll admit this is my own monarchyfag deviation, so I won't speak for /fascist/ (I doubt /fascist/ wants what I want), but to answer why I feel this way...
Aristotle makes the comparison clear in Politics: 
Monarchies in relation to the City should sit on the acropolis--which is the highest point of a city. 
This is an apt comparison to the pagan gods, who also sit on Mt. Olympus, and yes for Christjewry, for Christ on Mt. Zion and New Jewrusalem.
Palatine Hill was akin to Mt. Olympus--that is where we get the word palace from.
I think royalty should be the pantheons of their nations--in ways that even the pagan gods themselves cannot perform, because they are what give their particular people a cult of personality and identity as a people in direct experience rather than indirect--and that the cult of personality that Leviathan and Hobbes espouses in transforming the identity of a people around one personality is more ideal to model the people than the priesthood:
The priests are at best servants, but the lives of kings themselves give the people the impression of a family they belong to and deliver the idea of godliness far superior than any priest or pope, because they themselves are kings in their own right.
It is the kings who have every incentive to make a public display of familialism in their own lives, who must bring children to continue their own lineage--thereby teaching the public the same in their lives, to be a family by the model of their royal government. 
It is the royal palace that is the life of the nation rather than the cathedral--the royal palace spiritually sings that they are a people with an identity, the cathedral says they should be spiritual jews. It is the royal palace that is the first estate from which all estates should honor, and should be seen as the national treasure and abode of every person and their history and identity as a culture.
It is the relationship between a father and son that royal government embodies, that necessitates a healthy relationship between man and woman (by the need to produce more offspring) that isn't forced but is organic--it is this cult of personality, by one personhood to check the laws of various estates that will bring them all into a common form and singularity of mind, a community of pleasures and pains in which all persons are expressed by the unity of one person.
I think that it is said to see Christianity pillage the Far East and the Confucianism which stresses familial ties above all else--to the caprice of the Christjew family, that tells them to abandon their families rather than simply re-affirm. East Asians had this without completing alienating the secular, and like the Enlightenment tendency to admire China -- I also think that is more admirable and preferable to what we already have in the West with Christianity.
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It is Christianity that is ultimately a fake and gay royalism. The Jews wanted a king like the other nations, and this ultimately lead to Christianity which is spiritually circumcised royalism--that is, royalism without a visible head (it is circumcized--cut off like the jews do with their penises--yes, Christ was incarnated, but then Christ left and disappeared and now all the visible nations of nations are circumcised to honor Christ, this is how the nations are spiritually circumcised: their visible archtypes which the royalty represented with the imperial cult was transferred to Christ, who in turn gave them a cosmopolitan family and "drink my blood" blood relationship which is a copy of the other nation's familialism / blood relationship between people and their kings). Again, Christianity is to be an imposter royalism that usurps that role of being the archtype of their own cult of personalities and make a new Christjew family).
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Even Atheists re-affirm this maxim: because they say that Christian Heaven is like a Celestial North Korea--affirming the maxim that all the benefits you get with the religion are also experienced through the lives of dictatorships/royalty/cults of personalities. 
What North Korea has is arguably better--Jesus will not come down and settle the Catholic and Protestant schism, but Kim Jong Un is there as a point of reference, and if Kim Jong Un dies then he'll naturally succeed with another Kim--which in the process of doing this, mirrors the generations of the people themselves, who live by the generation of father and son. As Ramses says, the son has every incentive to honor his father and be his champion. 
Since it isn't spiritually circumcised, this is a better royalism than the royalism of Christianity, it is about making their people a family, which is a far better aspiration than just nofap alone, because it re-affirms their sense of identity and makes them a greater nation.
Treat the world as a stage, and a live action film you are living in as if eternally (that is what Nietzsche wanted to establish with the idea of the eternal return)--make this an epic theatre worth living in.
That is the sentiment I overall agree with Nietzsche about, but I don't agree with Nietzsche and repeat everything Nietzsche has to say. 
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Christian moralists might stress the inadequacy of all this to discipline and improve society--rather I turn this around and I feel they fail at really making much out of society. For all they complain about decadence, they do very little to stop it besides commenting that society as a whole is a public school and Sodom and Gomorrah they wish Yahweh would destroy--their visible contempt is like Jews in the synagogues who lash out at gentile society. 
I think Christian moralists are outclassed and outgunned compared to Islam, compared to North Korea and China, compared to Fascist/Natsoc totalitarianism--their copout is they blame Western people themselves for their failures, like Dugin does--for the insufficiency to Christjewry to be effective.
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Christianity doesn't compare much to totalitarianism: I think Fascism was the appropriate modern medicine for the modern mind--and Christianity isn't armed to compete and compensate for this.
People should be saying,
>"We need Fascism--We need Hitler"
Because Christianity is not really up for the task. 
I don't understand how a Christian moralist can look at society today and be content with the churches--and look back at what Natsoc/Fascism did and say that we need to go back to the churches (which continue to grow more and more irrelevant and weak as an outspoken moral arbiter in our society).
It seems readily apparent that if your goal is to discipline a people, you're better off with Fascism/Natc or if you're going to be stubborn about it then even Islam beats Christianity in its shows of piety--but again, I guess the traditionalist Christians would consider Islam over Natsoc/Fascism because that sense of piety appeals to them over the civic religion of Fascism/Natsoc that seeks to regiment the citizens... I think Fascism/Natsoc is better modern medicine that answers the dilemmas Rousseau posed with Christianity and its inadequacy to impact civil life and the sociability. 
TL;DR:
Yes, I think the totalitarianism of Fascism and National Socialism in their attempts at a civic religion is superior to Abrahamism in general (yes, even Islam).
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The civic religion of the North Koreans is closer to where my heart lies and my vision for society--it is by no means just "reading Homer like a Protestant" or "repeating Nietzsche" verbatim--me being disgruntled with Christianity is its own ballpark unlike these people, but I won't lie that I do sympathize with Nietzsche on numerous points.
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What I like about pagan anons is their stress on ancestor worship and that is complimentary to what I want. 
Though I doubt /fascist/ anons would tolerate my monarchyfaggotry--I know most of them would say that the European soul is not ripe for it like the Asiatic soul is--I'd agree, that if this were to happen, it would pretty much have to be taught and to a degree arbitrarily... because I agree with Hobbes sentiment that as far as people are concerned for monarchies and probably need an arbiter to suit their differences, they aren't political animals born ripe and loyal to this regime, but to refer to Xenophon -- every leader has to gain his own followers as loyalty doesn't grow like grass on the fields.
This was also the case with Christfaggotry--it might seem like for Westerners that Christianity is the only royalism they know, but that is because they too were taught and groomed into it.
I agree that fully re-instituting Hellenism or Woden worship has a number of dilemmas, including it being seemingly anachronistic--I think Natsoc was a proper way to handle civic religion with appeals to the old gods in subtle ways. It should be anticipated that it is done this way because I anticipate the in-fighting on how to do paganism would be endless, that it is better to defer to an arbiter and civic religion anyways--my own privy opinion is it would be best to constrain some elements to modern sensibilities, like not bringing back animal sacrifices--that would probably give Christfags something to point out to and say this isn't sincere worship, but tbh Christfaggotry also is curbed for some modern sentiments as well, and Christianity itself without all the old customs of the Jews to begin with.
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I'll have to be honest:
I am not very impressed with perennialist traditionalism.
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It hasn't gone unnoticed for me that their notable figureheads have converted to Islam. 
Dugin praises above all else the Islamic Republic of Iran as his city on a hill. 
King Charles III is the prime example of what I'm complaining about--his own detachment from being the King and his ascetic pursuits has lead him to neglect his own people's identity and--again, breaking with a community of pleasures and pains--break societal bonds... He endorses this philosophy and this universalist outlook which seeks truth in all religions is alienating his own subjects. This flagrant disregard is why I lament that ultra-clericalism has severed this bond with politics... it was never meant to be this way from the beginning, Plato never endorsed it, it was an innovation, a very bad innovation.
Esoterics can complain about faggots and hedonism and pornography, but I find their attempts to remedy society extremely lackluster and lameduck. The Islamic Republic of Iran is not my city on a hill--yes, I guess North Korea isn't your own, but that familial bond of the North Koreans and their Leader is far more appealing to me. 
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They want to do what is best for social utility--pick us, because heckin' profligate rule34 fapping degenerates--but for the most part I'm not very impressed by what is brought to the table. It makes a stronger case to be a consequentialist because the fruits of these labors leave so much more to be desired--and it is as if any metaphysics is to be valued on just that accord--that it is just metaphysicial/spiritual--which, to be frank, makes even Communism seem more interesting to me for social utility. For all their talk for the most part we are just stuck with Christianity as the religion--and this thread is a testimony of how inadequate that is. 
That is why just looking at traditionalism, well, it just seems like dogshit for social utility, in spite of all they have to say about hedonism and faggotry.
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I guess I am a special and unique kind of autism because I hardly find anyone else who relates to my own vision--I find NRx types just babble about their metaphysiques and monarchy for courting Christianity--rather than to make the State into a family like the North Koreans do. To me this is what monarchy has the most appeal to, but they're all so blind to it. I feel like I am just talking to indifferent people who don't care. 
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I hate that Western people are tied either to loving their mixed constitutionalist republicanism or only care to express their royalism for Christianity's sake. Maybe Aristotle is right that Monarchy itself is just not right for a Western soul. It would explain the total apathy I feel around these people. 
& sometimes they come so close, but it is walled off for Christianity--the only time these people care to be genuine royalists is and entertain the idea (other than just populism/mixed constitutionalism) is ratherfor the King of the Jews. I despise that.
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When it comes to the quality of things, it is also lackluster--I don't think they are even receptive to masterminding that, except this sappy metaphysics for metaphysic's sake. Even if it was spiritual poison, they would gulp it down, because... it is metaphysical poison and not the material poison... they would be spiritual jews (if it meant to not embrace any nationalism), etc. It's ridiculous. 
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Anyways, I distance myself from the pro-Nietzschean anon that while I complain about utlra-clericalism, it is mostly on the pretense of their partiality, not some dichotomy of warrior caste versus priest caste. I really don't care to dawdle on which caste I value or even castes at all.
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I oppose utlra-clericalism because I see it as no more than a clique--I don't care for the quality of a clique, whether it wears armor or wears priestly clothes--I demand royal absolute monarchy because of the quality of its unity and a cult of personality which descended from the persona of a ruler, because I seek to establish a community of pleasures and pains through the unity of a household, and so that people can be loyal to each other in State Corporatist fashion and become a great family. I think dictatorships naturally follow into monarchies, and the people becoming so enarmored with this persona gradually transform it into a monarchical regime and keep the offspring to keep the cult of personality alive. The unity of a patriarch supercedes all estates--be it a stratocracy or a hierarchy--the people themselves would be a family, and if they are fortunate the monarchy will embrace this--but so many factors ween this away, like with Christianity, like with Charles III and perennial traditionalist universalism. 
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DPRK has surpassed and outclassed Western monarchies for me, because they have accomplished this. Christianity doesn't allow for it, because High Church sentimentality wants to absorb and re-direct it to the cosmopolitian Christjew family and being spiritual Israelites... and Charles III is caught up with entertaining all religions, especially Islam, to really care to fulfill this, being such a metaphysican to simply ignore the state of his own monarchy. So that is why I don't bother with most monarchists.
Muhammed took inspiration from arabic paganism to create his new religion (islam). Is it difficult for us to take inspiration from European paganism to create a new religion?
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>>12474
Why not revive the ones we already have? No need to reinvent the wheel.
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>>12446
>his philosophy is active, Dionysian yes-saying
>He blames it for inventing the good-vs-evil dualism that poisoned morality
Highly relevant meme
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This is decadent and jewish, but
>King the Jews!
This is why Christians are psyop'd into thinking ((( they ))) oppose them when ((( they ))) are just laughing at them.
>>12506
>slavonic meme
Troonslate please.
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>>12531
chud nietschze:
(left column) - Stupid dualists. How primitive it is to view life as a binary!
(right column) Evil/Good
soyjak nietschze:
(right column) Apollonian/Dyonisian.
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Stupid dualists. How primitive it is to view life as a binary!
>>12452  
>Nietzsche based his ideas on absence of evidence.  
Again, you’ve proven nothing. Nietzsche was a trained classical philologist who spent years doing rigorous textual work on Greek sources. He wasn’t pulling shit out of his ass, he was working from the best scholarship of his time, the gold-standard German philology that obsessed over accuracy, manuscripts, and evidence.  
>Same as Axial age retards now.  
Axial Age was never proven wrong, it’s still a serious, widely discussed hypothesis. And it is undeniable that Plato drew inspiration from Zoroastrianism and broader Eastern traditions: ancient sources and modern scholars point to real influences on his dualism, the Myth of Er, ideas of the soul’s journey, cosmic order, etc.  
Also,
>conservative calling anyone retarded  
>Every time you people reject “asceticism” it means going to clubs and doing drugs or whatever.  
No it doesn’t, you faggot moralist. Stop projecting your cuckservative brain. We’re on /fascist/, not some tradcon forum clutching pearls over fapping. Rejecting asceticism and Platonist life-denial doesn’t equal degenerate hedonism. It means affirming strength, struggle, will to power, greatness in this world. Asceticism is for priests who hate life. We’re against inaction and weakness that’s why we’re fascists, not because we want to pop pills and twerk.  
>At its root Nietzsche was the biggest moralfag and a hypocrite, he wanted you to embrace his kind of “life” and he defined anything he didn’t like as non-life  
Literally no, you illiterate retard. Read an actual book instead of right-wing xitter midwits. Nietzsche wasn’t a moralfag, he was the ultimate anti-moralist. He didn’t command “thou shalt,” he diagnosed and destroyed moralities that castrated men and turned them against life. He never forced his vision; he offered it to those strong enough to take it. Calling him a hypocrite shows you have zero clue what you’re talking about.  
>I never said 99% of ancient greeks were like plato, they just were unlike Nietzsche  
Bullshit. You heavily implied ancient Europeans were significantly Platonic. Most ancient Greeks were nothing like Plato’s idealistic monk fantasies. They were Homeric: war, honor, sex, glory, revenge, feasting, brotherhood. Philosophy like Plato’s was fringe, most people either ignored it or laughed at it. Ancient Europeans were vastly closer to Nietzsche’s vision of life-affirmation than to your disingenuous Platonist LARP.  
>The fact that most people were ascetics is obvious to everyone and doesn’t mean much.  
There’s zero proof for that. Your claim keeps collapsing under its own hypocrisy.  
>Your criticism of the republic is that it preaches not being hedonistic, so the political point isn’t even relevant  
Wrong. My criticism is that Plato’s Republic is wildly inconsistent, utopian garbage that couldn’t function in reality. He literally designs an entire political system: class hierarchy, education, censorship, communal living for guardians, philosopher-kings, eugenics, the works. It’s 100% political commentary and prescription and one of the founding texts of political philosophy. Pretending otherwise is pure delusion. And yeah, later works like The Laws show he walked some of it back, like he grew out of his early edgelord phase.  
>By "actual" hellenic religion you of course meaning something with no records that you deduced from reading Homer like a protestant...  
Nigger, just read Homer yourself. The Iliad and Odyssey are full of heroism, war, sex, rage, loyalty, feasting, and love of this world and not some ascetic meditation retreat. Hellenic religion, heavily shaped by Homer, was the opposite of ascetic. You’re genuinely daft if you think the average Greek was living like a Platonic monk.  
>I'll grant you the point about Zarathustra, but with buddhism there is no reason to place it above Platonism.  
I never said Buddhism was above Platonism, and neither did Nietzsche. I’m not even a fan of Buddhism, but Nietzsche respected it more than Christianity because it was more honest and realistic. Still, he criticized it as decadent and passive nihilism. He didn’t endorse it.  
>You are woke.  
Classic cuckservative dribble with zero meaning. This isn’t r/thedonald.
>Plato did actually have a lot of influence on Judaism but to say that he invented Jewish priesthood is just silly.  
I never said he invented it, stop putting words in my mouth. You tried claiming Nietzsche was close to Judaism which is laughable. Jews are priestly as fuck, heavy on resentment and slave morality, exactly what Nietzsche despised. The guy whose ideas actually shaped Jewish theocracy and metaphysics was Plato. Hellenistic Jews straight-up thought Plato was inspired; Philo fused them hard. Plato gave you the immortal soul, ideal realm, philosopher-priest kings and all that theocratic catnip.  
>there is some materialism found in judaism and lot of their ideas line up with nietzsche  
There isn’t, and they don’t. You know nothing about Nietzsche, Judaism, or even the Platonism you simp for. Jewish “materialism” is still bound to their holy laws as objective truth. They would reject Nietzsche’s morality of strength, will to power, and master morality instantly. Secular Jews still carry that priestly ressentiment. Nietzsche saw Judaism as the root of the slave revolt in morals. Plato is way closer to the Jewish spirit than Nietzsche ever was.
>>12455
>>12455
>It's the truth
It's not the truth. That's a complete fallacy. Especially when most moralist fags are hypocritical degenerates themselves.
>Nietzschean faction on the far-right are BAPtists
I have no idea what the fuck you are talking about. We are not right wing at all and I have literally never heard of "BAPtists". But I'm going to guess that you're just boogeymanning some tiny irrelevant group that has zero significance. Hit me with a nail on the head if I'm correct.
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>Kikes were never slaves though.
>Exodus is a bunch of lies with no historical backing, just another example of atrocity propaganda before the Holohoax.
Maybe you're right. 
An ancient Egyptian named Manetho describes that the jews weren't what they proclaimed to be in Egypt, but were actually a malicious leper colony that lived there and were expelled -- and honestly, I kind of believe him over the jewish account in Exodus.
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Jews are weird about their obsession with Pharaoh -- so Abraham goes to Egypt, tries to pass his wife off as his sister, and his wife Sarah is basically taken into the Pharaoh's household -- seems like Abraham was basically cucked by the Pharaoh, and for that the Pharaoh contracted some diseases from Sarah...
The father of the Jewish people gets cucked by the Pharaoh of Egypt--why does Christian Identity want to LARP as the offspring of a cuckold?
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There should be a JQ study of the Old Testament to understand why Jews are the way they are...
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>>12578
>There should be a JQ study of the Old Testament to understand why Jews are the way they are...
There already is, at least among pagans. Every JQ pagan I’ve seen correctly points straight to the Old Testament as the main reason Jews are the way they are. Christians meanwhile only ever attack the Talmud, even though most of the Talmud is just compiling and reinterpreting the Oral Torah that comes directly from the Old Testament anyway. You never see christcucks criticizing the OT because they have to treat it as holy scripture they must respect and admire. No matter how much a JQ Christian cope, they cannot truly go against the arbiter of Judaism, the Old Testament and its laws since Jesus himself said he came not to abolish the Law but to fulfill it. The entire problem with Christian JQ is that Christcucks refuse to admit the Old Testament is the core inspiration for Jewish behavior and mindset, because it would also implicate their own religion and behavior. This is exactly why anti-Semitic Christianity is a complete meme.
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>>12596
Not only do modern pagans point to the Old Testament, the NSDAP did too. The entire reason Positive Christianity existed was to rip the Old Testament and all the other Judaic poison out of the New Testament and turn Christianity into something usable for Germans. Even Hitler straight up called the Bible entirely Jewish. Yet somehow Christcucks only ever screech about the Talmud, even though it’s much more recent. If Jewish supremacism and corruption only kicked in after the Talmud, then explain why Jews were already acting exactly like that for centuries before it was even written. If you refuse to acknowledge and accept this undeniable fact that the OT is Jewish supremacism, then you are not anti-semitic.
So what is the more intelligent analysis of say, the Ten Plagues of Egypt? Was it a mythologized account of real events? A symbolic political treatise like Dante's Divine Comedy? Or just a spiteful revenge fantasy with no deeper meaning?
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>>12602
The Ten Plagues are textbook Jewish theological propaganda engineered to do one thing: prove Yahweh’s absolute supremacy over the entire Egyptian pantheon while casting the Jews as the eternal chosen victims who get divine revenge on their “oppressors.” Every single plague is a targeted humiliation of a specific Egyptian deity. Nile turning to blood mocks Hapi (the river god), frogs attack Heqet (fertility goddess), darkness blinds Ra (sun god), death of the firstborn directly undercuts Pharaoh himself as a living god. It’s not subtle. The whole narrative is structured as a cosmic dick-measuring contest where the Jewish god wins by destroying Egypt’s power, economy, and religion in escalating stages, all to force the release of “his people.” It’s ressentiment weaponized into sacred history. It reinforces the core Jewish self-image: we are special, everyone else (especially powerful civilizations) is evil and deserves punishment, and our god will always deliver the smackdown on our behalf. As far as history it collapses immediately. There is zero corroboration in any Egyptian record, and the Egyptians were obsessive chroniclers who documented floods, famines, invasions, cattle diseases, and every other disaster in detail. No mention of rivers of blood, three days of darkness, mass livestock death, or the sudden death of every Egyptian firstborn. No archaeological trace of a massive slave population suddenly vanishing, no evidence of 600,000+ people wandering the Sinai for forty years, nothing. Mainstream scholarship treats the entire Exodus account as a later literary invention (mostly composed or heavily redacted in the 7th–5th centuries BCE) meant to forge Israelite identity during or after the Babylonian exile. Naturalistic “explanations” (chain-reaction algae blooms, volcanic ash, etc.) fail because the text insists on super specific timing, selectivity (plagues spare the Hebrews), and Moses’ total control features that scream theology. It’s not a “mythologized real event” or a clever symbolic treatise. It’s a straight-up spiteful revenge fantasy dressed up as divine justice. The same psychological template you see repeated in later Jewish narratives of victimhood and moral superiority. Identical in spirit to the holohoax: inflate suffering, demonize the enemy, claim exclusive divine favor, and use it to justify perpetual grievance and exceptionalism.
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>>12596
>Old Testament as the main reason Jews are the way they are
Isn't it putting a cart before the horse? Old Testament is the way it is because it was written by Jews; They were already a misbegotten race of spiritual gypsies back then.
>>12460
>I don't understand how a Christian moralist can look at society today and be content with the churches--and look back at what Natsoc/Fascism did and say that we need to go back to the churches (which continue to grow more and more irrelevant and weak as an outspoken moral arbiter in our society)

because for christcuck earthly existence is curse and church is his safe heaven or means to get his only meaningful existance in pious death
fixing physical world is for him unthinkable thing as he in his mind exists to suffer and anything alleviation of suffering is heresy because only his skydaddy can do anything and you just exist to take it and be glad for it
For you whom believe in swastika or fasces this cannot be understood well becasue logically both ideas the national socialism and fascism aknowledge that if you wont commit to physical existence of you and your own spieces you are commiting to your own self destruction
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>>12602
>So what is the more intelligent analysis of say, the Ten Plagues of Egypt?

The dramatic opening of a fearful new origin story purposed to the ears of the audience of Phoenician pagans that were to become "jews". There would have been no "Bible" had the Zoroastrian conquerors not exerted pressure on the Semitic Phoenicians to halt the practice of child sacrifice. It was the strength of this novel pressure that forced the invention of a religious system whose mythology was logically bound to entail the repudiation of older disagreeable pagan sacrificial customs. The fake Egypt story, the fake Conquest of Canaan story, the also likely fake Babylonian Captivity story, are each of them sequential narrative capsules that together made up the dramatic weight of a new identity whose imposition was demanded by the circumstances of the time (ie, ((( they ))) were no longer free to worship their demon gods in the open as they had done before and as such faced the need to outwardly embrace a new monotheistic system).
>>12604
The "Old Testament" was created by the ((( Phoenician ))) priesthood. There exists positively zero objective historical grounding for any of the major events of the “Old Testament”. I'm surprised that through reading this thread entire not a single writer here could be discovered knowledgeable of the meaning of the word Bible itself -- that being that it is essentially a topophoric title bearing the name of city in which the materials for that book were first compiled, this city being Byblos. The Bible was even recognized (by intelligent Greeks) as a work of Phoenician propaganda that blent differing elements of Phoenician/Zoroastrian/Babylonian beliefs into an uneven but necessary narrative. Supposedly even the famed “12 tribes of Israel” concept was based upon the names of then newly created Achaemenid taxation districts. 


>>12615

Christianity is of course a vehicle of jewish conquest that:

1. introduced an arbitrary foreign god as the supreme god 
2. introduced a predatory foreign people as “chosen and special”
3. legitimated jewish tax farming of goyim
4. broke down racial distinctions (“there is no jew there is no greek, all are one in Christ”)
5. broke down personal wealth (“wealthy men cannot enter the kingdom of god”)
6. broke down personal masculine virtue (“turn the other cheek, love your enemies”)
7. broke down instincts of self-preservation and rationality (“earthly life is only a preparatory trial ere your coming existence in heaven”), etc. 

And I maintain that this (Christianity) was also created by semitic Phoenicians as it first appeared after the ((( Severan ))) dynasty had destroyed Rome.
I’ve noticed that majority of these e-crusaders (especially the one who is form the third world) are the most ones who is rabid against European paganism compared to actual white christians. I believe it’s because these folks are viewing Christianity as the religion that makes them related to the white peoples, if the whites abandoned it and went to their ancestral roots or made a new religion, these christian brownoids will lose the privilege that makes them “equal” to the white person. it’s similar to these pajeets who is every time they pull up their “we wuzz aryan saar” just to be related to the Europeans in any way possible.
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>I’ve noticed that majority of these e-crusaders (especially the one who is form the third world) are the most ones who is rabid against European paganism compared to actual white christians. I believe it’s because these folks are viewing Christianity as the religion that makes them related to the white peoples, if the whites abandoned it and went to their ancestral roots or made a new religion, these christian brownoids will lose the privilege that makes them “equal” to the white person. 
That's a very keen observation:
Without the blood of Christ and their familial bond of the Church, yes, they are pretty much strangers and lose out on bonding with White Christians.
I think that is especially the case with Brother Nathanael -- who tragically wants to bond with non-Jews with Christianity after feeling sad with his own upbringing in a synagogue and separate from gentiles.
Look, the whole Christian psychosis is because they have the Jews' archstone and their king, and drink the blood of that king, they are more worthy Jews than the Jews themselves, sense they stole away their sense of being and cult of personality with -their- Messiah...
...But we talk about the Old Testament with Egypt a lot here... and another story that has always bothered me is the inheritance story with Jacob deceiving his father to take Esau's inheritance--and Jacob is supposed to be the GOOD ONE! but he uses DECEPTION to get his way!
And that ALARMS me, because while Christian Identity competes to say that they are the true inheritors and the true Jews... I think this story honestly says all that can be said about the nature of the Jews: they use deception to get their way and steal the blessings of other nations.
I think the relationship between Jews and Christianity is schizophrenic--I think Jews are a schizo, psychotic people--I think Jews bait Christians into thinking that their God rejected them, only to pull the cloth over their eyes and to make Christians think they are the TRUE INHERITORS of -their- heritage, and deceive the Christians that way...
Brother Nathanael is a Jew that I honestly feel bad for--he seems like a lost soul that Christianity would appeal to, i.e. social outcasts who are outside of their tribe--but in the large part, I think it's because Brother Nathanael is a Jew who fell in love with gentile society.
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>if the whites abandoned it and went to their ancestral roots
Is this even possible? Hitler 2.0 may be an unlikely event, but so was Hitler 1.0, a popular dictator can still overcome a corrupt democracy (but the clock on ethnic replacement is ticking).
Is there a precedent for dead religions coming back from the dead? It's been well established in this very thread that many 'on-line Christians' don't take their religion seriously - but how many White Polytheists do?
Thanks for the fish.

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