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>>10398 (OP) 
GO OUTSIDE and ADVERTISE YOUR ENCLAVE PLANS NOW!!11

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>>10398 (OP) 
>arkansas
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>pacific northwest
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>see also
northwestfront dot info
>otherwise
best of luck to that group.....

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>>10398 (OP) 
I have nothing but hope and love for the RTL and PNW guys. I don't have any contact with the RTL guys but I know NatSocs in the Ozark region and surrounding areas, and from what I hear it's going strong. I hear a criticism thrown around calling these projects "White reservations", which is true to some degree, but only if they're presented as the only way forward. Isolated projects like this supported in tandem to NS growth in towns and (especially) cities are a powerful tool. I have little information on or understanding of projects outside of the U.S but if they're White communities for White people then I probably support them lol.

>>11820
More power to them, this is a noble initiative. Alas, I can't help but worry, given it's already facing pushback as seen in OP's post. I'm sure the people behind it will be well-informed and able to fight off any attempt at lawfare (though given the enemy has unlimited money, it'll be pretty hairy) but that's not what worries me. What worries me is that once the kikes give up on using lawfare to shut it down they'll go for dirty tactics like sending shitskins to harass the residents, if not whipping them into a rape + loot  + murder frenzy. Come that point, they'll be caught between a rock and a hard place.
>if they don't fortify the kikes will keep sending niggers to attack residents until they give up and scatter
>if they do fortify then the possibility of another Waco rises significantly
Maybe I'm worrying too much, maybe. It's just after seeing the photos of those charred children's corpses at Waco and the sociopathic feds doing victory poses over them are still seared into my memory. If these people manage to succeed and endure, and the community grows and thrives though? Few things would make me happier. Here's hoping they do.

>>11822
I understand where you're coming from, and this kind of worry is healthy in a way and appreciated. But I think they'll do alright. They're putting extra care into operating within the bounds of the law, and a bunch of niggers trespassing on their land to cause havoc will not hold up in court or in the public eye. At least in my opinion. The real battle is seeing how this develops in the next 10 years or so and seeing of they actually hold out.

>>11825
You forget our enemies wipes their asses with any law of constitution whenever they stop being a convenient cudgel or shield. But yes, fingers crossed. We need a beacon of hope in this dark age.

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>>11826
That is somewhat true, but *generally speaking*, at least here in the U.S, the Jew and other nons have to operate within the system they've created to a point. So if RTL dots their is and crosses their ts, there is a small amount of legal protection and precedent afforded to them. That is until, like you're saying, the goal posts are moved or the feds do their fed thing. But given the current political swing of the U.S I think things will be fine for now.
>We need a beacon of hope in this dark age.
Very true, but I think things are becoming less and less grim. Right-wing anti-immigration populism is becoming the norm in the West. Anti-semitism is at an all time high since before WW2. Gen Z men are becoming much more radicalized and racially conscious than previous generations could even dream of. If Nick Fuentes, as gay and Mexican as he is, is becoming the moderate figure among young men then things could be worse. I guess my point here is try not to blackpill. The momentum is building.

>>11827
>try not to blackpill. The momentum is building.
I am very pessimistic but even I have to admit that we finally have enough radicals to do something about our situation. No one under the age of 40 gives a shit about muh holocoaster anymore. The youth is fully polarized to either the far right or far left, meaning the battle lines are drawn. Furthermore, our message is mainstream now, giving radicals room to breathe.

I generally hate Nick Fuentes, but he's correct when he points out in his recent interview with that britcuck how younger men increasingly hate ZOG and its narrative and are becoming tribal at a staggering pace.

>>11827
>Gen Z men are becoming much more radicalized and racially conscious than previous generations 
I wish this were true but I see nothing that supports this. I only know that people are slightly more aware of Israel, but it's not like they're naming the jew or anything. Just because someone is racially conscious it means nothing in regards to actually doing anything about it.

>>10398 (OP) 
>militant atheist not allowed
>implying atheist allowed 
<you can be an atheist but only if you shut the fuck up and listen to me preach to you without retorting 
>not letting jews nor muslims in while hating militant atheists
You can miss me with that gay shit.

RTTL is doomed in the US in its current configuration, because it relies on legal loopholes built into the civil rights act for private clubs. They pretend that they discriminate against nonwhites and mixed race couples joining because of economic reasons, but the whole thing would fall apart if they got into court discovery. Or read Aarvoll's twitter account.

>>12083
He's clearly trying to avoid religious infighting, but he opts for the method of "putting a pin in the religion question" rather than making the association only pagans or only Christians. Typically this never works, but we will see.
>>12093
>They pretend that they discriminate against nonwhites and mixed race couples joining because of economic reasons
No they don't. Their founding document explicitly says only those with completely European heritage can join. Private clubs are allowed to discriminate based on race/ethnicity. Religious institutions are not. Making that illegal is a question of legislative action or maybe a court ruling if you really stretch it. Otherwise it is explicitly allowed by current US law.

>>12095
They are absolutely relying on legal ambiguity, loopholes and the absence of clear legislation. Even if it's rock solid now, a few bills in state legislatures is all it takes to shut down RTTL.
https://forward.com/news/759874/return-to-the-land-peter-csere-tim-griffin-eric-orwoll/
>In a June 30 email obtained by the Forward through a public records request, Gary McGee, an investigator with the Arkansas Fair Housing Commission wrote that “as of today, AFHC has not discovered any actual property owned by this organization or its founder, nor any advertisements for housing.”
>Records show that a limited liability company in both Csere and Orwoll’s name, “Wisdom Woods LLC,” owns adjacent parcels of land totaling 157 acres near the town of Ravenden, where Sky News reporter Tom Cheshire visited the group and spoke with residents of the whites-only community in July.
>Griffin did not respond to the Forward’s request for clarification about why the office believed Return to the Land had not broken any laws and whether it had considered the property owned by Wisdom Woods LLC.
>McGee’s email appears to echo arguments made by Return to the Land about the legality of the arrangement.
>“There is no actual change of real estate title occurring, nor are they renting the land,” Csere wrote in a message to the Forward, differentiating between directly owning land versus purchasing membership units of the LLC that owns the land. “The land stays under the ownership of the business entity that they are becoming a part-owner of.”
>But Stacy Seicshnaydre, a law professor at Tulane University who specializes in fair housing and anti-discrimination law, said she still believes that Return to the Land is likely running afoul of federal housing law.
>She said the structure reminds her of a co-op, where members purchase shares in the corporation that owns the building rather than owning individual apartments.
>“Imagine a co-op in New York City, in Manhattan, saying ‘no Jews,’ and it says, ‘Oh, but we’re a private association,’” she said. “I mean, the purpose of the co-op is to run a housing business.”
>The Fair Housing Act of 1968 is intentionally broad and covers circumstances like these, she said. And yet another law, the Civil Rights Act of 1866  — which prohibits discrimination in property rights on the basis of both race and religion — has no exemptions.
>“I’m not aware of any reason why the civil rights laws would not apply in this circumstance,” Seicshnaydre said.
>Missouri Attorney General Andrew Bailey appeared to agree with Seicshnaydre. Local media asked him about the legality of Return to the Land after Orwoll told a Missouri news station earlier this month that he hopes the group will soon expand to the state.
>“Bailey is committed to protecting the constitutional rights of all citizens,” a spokesperson for Bailey told the Missouri Independent in a statement this week. “The landmark Supreme Court case Shelley v. Kraemer, which originated in St. Louis, made clear that government cannot enforce racially discriminatory housing practices, and Missouri will not tolerate efforts to revive them.”
https://forward.com/fast-forward/793714/return-to-the-land-ben-waxman-pennsylvania-peter-csere-white-nationalism
>While private clubs are allowed to give housing preference to people of the same religion, that exemption does not apply to organizations that sell or rent housing to the public for commercial purposes, according to Chad Lassiter, executive director of the Pennsylvania Human Relations Commission, the state’s civil rights enforcement agency.
>In recent months, Return to the Land updated its website to say that it “does not engage in the sale or rental of real estate,” language that appears aimed at strengthening its claim to private club status.
>But the group’s own operating agreement from 2024, obtained by the Forward, references “sale of real estate,” “rental properties within the community,” and an “HOA,” or homeowners association.
>Even if Return to the Land did qualify as a private club, Lassiter said, it would still be barred from discriminating on the basis of race. The only limited exception allowed under Pennsylvania law is for religious preference.

>>12096
>a few bills in state legislatures is all it takes to shut down RTTL.
That's true and there is no way of telling if/when that may occur. The point is that the law itself would have to change. That's true of literally anything. ZOG could theoretically make being White illegal. Power is power.

>>12098
>The point is that the law itself would have to change
The point is that the law will change because ZOG hates white people.
>ZOG could theoretically make being White illegal
There is a huge difference between enforcing the civil rights act on white people trying to separate from nigger, while bamboozling cuckservatives with superficial crackdowns on anti-white behavior in the name of anti-racism, and revoking the whole thing specifically to discriminate against white people like we're living the turner diaries.

>>12099
>There is a huge difference
No, there really isn't. Especially if operating under the principle that
>the law will change because ZOG hates white people.

If you treat the law as an infallible reality that must be obeyed, to the point that current action should be avoided because of potential future changes, then you may as well give up on White existence.

>>12101
>If you treat the law as an infallible reality that must be obeyed, to the point that current action should be avoided because of potential future changes, then you may as well give up on White existence.
If you want to get into the woods of legalism, then my opinion is that not enough people read SIEGE. Drop the personality cult, organize locally and do what Aarvoll does on a smaller scale and let him be the lightning rod for state and federal level civil rights challenges. Maybe he will win. In the meantime, other racially aware white people can build hundreds of informal WN communities.

>>12102
>In the meantime, other racially aware white people can build hundreds of informal WN communities.
I absolutely agree with you in principle. The trouble is that no one does this without organization. There has to be some level of formal association. If your assertion that the RTTL private club model will not survive future scrutiny or attacks, then it is fine not to participate, but there absolutely must be some gathering of likeminded men before anything gets done. 
Whether it is RTTL, an Active Club, a folkish religion like Asatru or something else, there needs to be a way to gather race loyal Whites and vet them so the project does not become a subverted mess of infighting, snitching, or full-on honeypot operations. All three of the examples I gave have intentional communities, by the way. It's not even a hypothetical.

>>12103
I agree with you, I'm not anti-organization. I'm against the idea that RTTL, or Covington's (RIP) group or other political or land based orgs will be the big thing that saves us and are immune to legal fuckery. People should use them as a model but be highly cautious about uprooting their lives to join them. They would be are better off donating to them and perhaps helping to promote them online for others who may be closer.

>>12104
To me, the benefit of groups like RTTL is that they are an organization. Any org which vets their members and verifies dedication through required participation is valuable because it enables each of us to say with confidence
<I know at least 10 men who will back one other unquestioningly.
It's about brotherhood and commitment. If a person joins RTTL only to to have ZOG squash their idea and say they have to disband or let niggers in, guess what? You can still reconvene with those same men and women and plan how to move forward. Even if it must be clandestine with no more official legal protection, you know that these people you met and struggled with are 100% on your side.

>>12105
>It's about brotherhood and commitment. If a person joins RTTL only to to have ZOG squash their idea and say they have to disband or let niggers in, guess what? You can still reconvene with those same men and women and plan how to move forward
Yes, but if it requires financial investment it can be a huge risk. The majority of Americans have less than $1000 in their bank account and live paycheck to paycheck. Even those who are well off often don't have a big enough financial buffer to gamble with. It's not silicon valley engineers with vested stock who are likely to join RTTL. People who do well in the current system are the least likely to become WNs. People like WLP who were highly educated, very successful and strongly ideologically motivated are rare.

>>12107
>Yes, but if it requires financial investment it can be a huge risk.
It is a risk, yes.
>It's not silicon valley engineers with vested stock who are likely to join RTTL
According to the little that Eric has said on the matter, that's not strictly true. They've had some very high net-worth people join. He said in one interview that in the beginning it was frustrating that there were no laborers to build houses, but several aerospace and software engineers.

I don't think RTTL demands money just to join the private club. Even if they did, anyone who is broke can instead join an AC or something.

>>12105
>To me, the benefit of groups like RTTL is that they are an organization.
And tey are visible which means they're ripe for SWATting, Waco'ing or fed infiltration followed by arrest on trumped-up charges. The kind of problems we have are not the kind of problems we can solve by forming book clubs or neighborhood watches or whatever. Operating publicly is a death sentence in an era of omnipresent surveilance and gross government overreach. You want to fight against the kikes, you recruit covertly and locally and use the guerilla model in small units. In a war the guy who stands out in the open and waves his arms in the air gets his head blown off.

>>12110
Oh fuck, it's this shit again
>you recruit covertly and locally and use the guerilla model in small units.
How many secret squirrels have you successfully gathered using this technique? I am going to guess none. It does not work and never has. It fails to gather enough men. It produces an atmosphere of paranoia and fear wherein you cannot trust that the person next to you is not a Fed. After all, they were never properly vetted because giving a real name is what feds do.

>>12111
>Oh fuck, it's this shit again
Yes, this shit again because this is a very basic piece of common sense that mongoloids like you constantly refuse to acknowledge. Every public-facing NS or even mildly pro-White organization has been infiltrated by feds, arrested on bullshit charges and forcibly disbanded, crippled into uselessness by lawfare, or outright massacred. Do I gotta bring up Waco again? Ruby Ridge? Duncan Lemp? Julian Assange? The kikes don't care about your clever legal word games and neither do the zogbots under their command. The second it looks like you're going somewhere, they're going to send nigger hordes to tear it all down or just demoralize you, and if you don't give up they will send the zogbots to arrest or kill you. 

>How many secret squirrels have you successfully gathered using this technique? I am going to guess none.
How many White-only autonomous enclaves have you successfully founded with yours? 

>It does not work and never has. It fails to gather enough men. It produces an atmosphere of paranoia and fear wherein you cannot trust that the person next to you is not a Fed. 
The IRA did that and had a good run. They only fell when they began to cuck out or break apart to infighting.

>After all, they were never properly vetted because giving a real name is what feds do.
What part of "recruiting locally" is hard to understand? When did I say nobody gets properly vetted when that is the opposite of opsec? Stop projecting.

>>12112
This is cowardice. Do you suppose they will leave you alone if you do nothing? Because that is what you are currently doing. Nothing.
Meanwhile, RTTL, Patriot Front, Blood Tribe, the Asatruars and many, many others have real physical communities, some with thousands of members.

>>12113
>This is cowardice. Do you suppose they will leave you alone if you do nothing? Because that is what you are currently doing. Nothing.
Point to the specific part of my post where I said we should do noth-

Wait a minute.

>Patriot Front
OF COURSE. You again. Man, are you a bot or something? Is that why you can never engage with any argument put before you, because you literally can't think of a rebuttal besides petty name calling and parroting projection? Is that why in all these years you haven't evolved from the same old canned lines? Please say yes, say you're a bot. Being an unthinking bundle of code would give your mindlessness an excuse.

>>12113
Which one of those has a real, physical community that is actually doing something worthwhile?
Isn't Patriot Front a blatant honeypot? In addition to that, everything I've seen from them is just protesting and chants. I don't really see what this will accomplish at this stage. The world is literally infested with degenerate faggots and the numbers are increasing, mudslimes everywhere, and a political charade that would make the ruling class of the roman empire blush. Not to mention the degradation of the natural world and the continuous rise in automated technology (most of it geared towards very specific bio-political agendas). There are of course a plethora of other more specific problems like the increase in normalization of metrosexuality, art and entertainment so atrocious that no other period could even remotely compete, a nihilistic global zeitgesit, and glibness in thought and opinion being more preferable now than anything well thought out or developed. 
If you don't see the direness of the situation by now, there is no hope for you, unless of course you're very young. 
What is needed is something different than the models that you proposed.

>>12115
one last thing on patriot front (not that this matters to the vast majority of people): their aesthetics are not interesting at all. they almost look like guardian angels or something. they carry around these gay little plastic shields, it's like what the fuck is that. 
even though they were probably even worse as far as fed activity, atomwaffen and all the related groups and networks were at least far more interesting in this regard.

>>12115
>>12116
Don't waste your keystrokes, man, the guy is not interested in any kind of productive conversation. He's just some derad mongoloid that won't stop coming in here to shit up the conversation no matter how many times he's chased off. Or maybe he's a bot, he's so repeatitive and predictable it gets me wondering sometimes. Just call him a faggot and tell him to kill himself then move on with your day. Or cut to the chase and report him.

>The year is 2026
>Still fedjacketing any group that actually organizes.
>Still arguing in bad faith because someone mentioned one group you don't like
>Do nothing but pretend on backwater imageboards that you have a secret local group of special forces freedom fighters.
Terminally online "movement". What a joke. You will not make it.

>>12119
There's nothing wrong with thinking that particular groups have fed involvement, either from the source or through infiltration. As a matter of fact, its incredibly naive to think otherwise. 
Who is pretending that they have a secret group?

>>12121
There is a tendency to decry any group that tries to get White Nationalists together. The people who do this usually claim every group is composed of informants and then insist on creating groups through impossibly arcane means. They make the perfect the enemy of the good.
<Don't join any club you've heard of because they're all Feds
<If they were real you wouldn't hear about them
<Join the ones you haven't heard of. I'm sure they exist even though there is no proof.
<Oh wait you can't find them if you haven't heard of them.
<Just make your own secretly!
<No, I haven't done this myself, I don't know anybody.

>>12121
>As a matter of fact, its incredibly naive to think otherwise. 
It's naive to baselessly assert that every movement or group is involved with feds. Not every NS or White nationalist movement is infiltrated with or by feds.

>>12136
>Yeah bro don't worry about feds trying to railroad you into a lengthy prison sentence and destroying your life, just join up with this totally not glowing ultra fashy org (that never does anything besides marching and pamphleteering)
What a very not-fed thing to say.

>>12137
You literally just did exactly what I said was pretty retarded....

>>12147
Yeah, you say a lot of things, none of them worthwhile. How much are they paying you at Langley for this by the way?

We in Indonesia, will support Europid breeding program as long as Europids are not shy about it and aren't too lazy or egotistical to lower their way of talking to the Indon masses. Don't look mean, Indonesian are mentally half weak and fragile. If it (the Europid breeding program) actually happend, then you Europids MUST be spiritually pure pagan like what Hyperborean Research say. Be intouch with the younger generations, especially those that are younger than gen z (gen A and beyond) because the older folk here have been put in somesort of incomprihensible mental cage, you can talk to those older folk, but I personally think it is hard. By breeding programs I mean Europids + Europids = more Europids, no mixing.

did it ever succeed?

>>12148
>Yeah, you say a lot of things, none of them worthwhile. 
Have you said anything that wasn't retarded? Do you have any proof that they're feds? Because you're another kind of retard who ruins discussions with "OH MAH GOD THEY'RE FEDS!" hysterics.