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THIS IS NOW THE THREAD WHERE ALL DERADS ARE TO SIT AND WHINE ABOUT HOW VIOLENCE IS NOT THE WAY AND THAT WE MUST SAVE ALL THE CONSERVACUCKS FROM THEIR OWN IDIOCY
Original Post by a Derad Moron:
*imagine a whiny bitch voice*
This one will hurt.
Accelerationism is the belief that there is no way which we can make positive change in the current environment, so the solution is to help the enemy make things worse so as to weaken them. Then, we can make things better.
This idea is true in general. The enemy has many stupid ideas about how the world works and their policies end up proving us right. 
More immigrants = more crime = more burned White people (sometimes literally) = more White nationalists.
Marxist socialism applied in a liberal state = higher taxation of the poor + obnoxious welfare spending on nigger-spic/arabs = pissed off White people = more White nationalists.
In theory, accelerationism is a viable plan to destabilize the regime and allow White organization and eventually a long, bloody struggle against the state.

However, this assumes that accelerationists are actually doing anything to rock the boat. 90% of the time, accelerationism means sitting at home, doing nothing but commenting on an anonymous image board, "Oh yes, I support Kamala for president because she'll fuck things up real bad" and half the time they don't even vote for her.
Voting itself is so meaningless that it may as well be nothing. 
If you genuinely believe that the path to a White revolution is by elevating the worst qualities of the enemy, by helping the jews elevate the dumbest niggers, the most retarded anti-White shitlibs, the most obnoxiously arrogant Asian women to positions of authority over White people, then you need to do more than post about your ideas on 4chan.
Ideally, you should actually volunteer to get niggers to vote. You do not even need to be a part of her campaign. Literally just drive hoodrat nigger filth from the inner city to the polls. Maybe bring a backup buddy with a gun for security and have him sit in the back of the van. And put sheets over your seats, then sanitize the van afterward.
Failing this, actually convince Republicans not to vote or promote Kamala Harris on social media. Frankly, this is not necessary since anyone on social media is either locked into voting Kamala or Trump.
Other things you can do is read the CIA handbook for passive resistance and apply the sabotage instructions to institutions.
More risky is to actively encourage corruption by engaging in it. (Dr. Pierce noted that the more corrupt a society, the easier it will be for insurgents to operate and resupply)

If you merely TALK about accelerationism on 4chan and otherwise do not contribute to acceleration, then you are waving your arms at clouds and assuring us that it will eventually rain thanks to you. Do not allow your belief in accelerationism to be yet another cope that prevents you from taking action IRL.
Also, don't do crimes because crimes are illegal n stuff. I disavow bad-wronging.
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To me, accelerationism means avoid paying taxes. But, the easiest way to do that is to become completely independent from the zionist occupation currency ("US" dollar). How does one become independent from the kike-controlled money?
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>>4842
I'd say that falls outside accelerationism. How is abstaining accelerating anything?
The generally accepted definition of accelerationism is promoting more of what you know is harmful in order to either shock people awake or collapse the system.
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>>4843
Every White man who no longer contributes money to the zog machine is harmful to the zog machine. If enough White dudes stop paying taxes, the system will collapse. Promote the refusal to  pay taxes.
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>>4844
I do. Though I know that promoting tax rebellion is like trying to wake people up. It'll never happen in great enough quantity to have an effect.
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You stick out like a sore thumb. Go back to your larp Discord group retard.
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>>4841 (OP) 
Accelerationism is fantastic and correct. But it must evolve. See the American Futurist website.

The problem with the Atomwaffen approach was that they operated as an online network. This can work, but only in very, very certain ways, barely ever beyond local recruitment (for example, putting up stickers locally to find members for YOUR cell)

The logical and practical evolution from SIEGEist ideology is cellism- I.e., an IDEOLOGY of a united CONCEPT that can be recreated in each area, with NO CENTRAL STRUCTURE.

Thus, I mean: 
• encourage NatSocs to make their own cells locally 
• ideally with their own personal, trusted friends
• don’t march around in Bundeswehr. Don’t even wear the SIEGE mask when being active.
• on the Internet with the general fascist community, spread images with a checklist, reading list and instructions etc. to making your own NatSoc cell
• from here the chances of infiltration are unfathomably low.
• however, to recruit, you can put up at most 50 stickers around your town in walking distance with a wire address to put forward members of your cell into an interview phase.
• after you have five people at most, take them all down.
• feds won’t have had the time to infiltrate you. They wouldn’t have been able to call a meeting expressing concern. scan an informant, send him in, etc.
• have being under c.35 a requirement (to bulletproof yourself against infiltration)
• you can now just not accept any dodgy people (it’d be a good idea to exclude niners (satanists) from joining IMO as they’ve fucked up some other networks like the base.)

Because it’s really important to remember: you’re not convincing anyone with your gay little propaganda. I mean, you’re not changing their mind about National Socialism. What you’re doing is finding the lost NatSocs near you, just like you, the hidden ones, the lonely ones.
From here, don’t dress up in James Mason LARP uniform. I’m sorry but… a few swastika flags for private moralisation is about all you need. The rest is just LARP. Instead — buy clothes that workmen wear — practical, durable clothing, not bundeswehr surplus that would just be replaced upon tearing by a modern German soldier — working class men don’t have that luxury. Thus, their clothing is actually durable and flexible for the jobs they have, like welding and bricklaying.
Okay, you can give your members a cool name, like Fueurabteiling, to call yourselves, but don’t tell anyone. Not your families, not your friends, not your girlfriends, not anyone online, NO ONE.
No face, no trace, no case.
Take your time to plan — be really careful. Don’t communicate ANYTHING sensitive via computers, ANYTHING AT ALL.
Train for things that you’ll actually need to do when you carry out your plan. (Don’t do anything illegal wink wink). Don’t storm buildings in dress-up. Be clandestine. READ EVERY SINGLE AMERICAN FUTURIST ARTICLE. THOSE GUYS WERE IN ATOMWAFFEN. ATOMWAFFEN FUCKING IMPLODED. THEY KNOW WHAT WENT WRONG. THEY’RE LEARNED. FUCKING DO IT. GET YOUR COMRADES TO DO IT TOO.
Make sure all your members are fit and self-sufficient. Have a book club if they’re moderate — for God’s sake, don’t give them esoteric babble, even if you believe in it. You’ll just turn them off and it’ll be miserable for all of them but you. (I’m assuming they’re all more moderate than you. That should be fine to a degree for now. They need to at least think Hitler was right. That’s the bar.) Why not get them to read the funnest NatSoc books there are together? The Turner Diaries — the Dalton translation of Mein Kampf — Brenton Tarrant’s manifesto — just gentle, sane stuff. Have fun! Strength through joy — keep clandestine, but — play Skrewdriver songs, play EC or AGII or whatever together. Go outside with them. Hiking. Camping.
Okay, so what you do is up to you. Use the guidance your ancestors passed down to you. The Aryan spirit!
• if they live with their parents, and their parents find out, make it out like you’re actually quite moderately right-wing but are hiding it because of government crackdowns on us.
• it would be wisest to only accept >16 year olds, even wiser >18 year olds.
• don’t accept anyone with a non-white dependent.
• don’t accept any non-Aryan, obviously.
• be cautious to make sure that you don’t accept anyone seriously chuddy or with the obvious capacity to become seriously chuddy
• watch out for schizos, motormouths, satanists, or people who want to influence the cell to their niche/completely unrelated ideology (E.g. incel theory; overbearing, irrelevant Christian identity politics; libertarianism)
• adapt to the laws of your country so you don’t get caught! E.g. Don’t buy banned literature just read a PDF of it online
• don’t accept faggots. Don’t accept white Muslims.
• in the very rare case that you’re a NatSoc woman, only allow women into your cell. Likewise, don’t allow women into your cell if you’re male. The reason for this is not because they cannot be useful in exceptional circumstances but rather because it will create sexual dynamics within your cell. Which will lead to tension and potentially disaster.

Hail victory! Feel free to spread this.
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>>5021
correction: ignore the bullet about being chuddy.
>>5021
Just want to say how I agree, and love to see American Futurist mentioned here, they are really great. Aryan Freedom Network are pretty cool as well. Blood Tribe eh, but they’re better than Patriot Front.
If someone wants to join a group, Aryan Freedom Network is the way.
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>>5025
thanks fren. Hail!
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>>5025
rewrote the post, feel free to spread THIS around! Short and sweet is the way! o/

Who is your propaganda designed to appeal to?
Is it to people who don't believe what you believe? Or are you searching for people who agree with you?

Are you actually convinced that a poster will change their mind?

We are not the vanguard of radicalisation. We are the radicalised.

It will only benefit us to act as such.

The System is completely against us. Naturally, antithesis will only develop itself via anti-system action -- I'm sure you're well aware of what I mean.

The problem of IM-wave accelerationism is that, for as much as it boasted that it was decentralised, it wasn't. It was quite literally based around a single website, and book.

The original -waffen movement is long dead. Its infiltration -- AWD's infiltration and eventual demise -- is something we will greatly benefit from .

Cells do not need to be linked to a greater macrocosm. We know what we are fighting for. True National Socialists far outnumber foreign ideologues that wish to make cells dedicated to their niche, unrelated ideologies -- these ideologies include, but are not limited to, their personal religion, outright patriotism, incel theory.

While these are not necessarily malevolent forces in and of themselves -- they are but neurotic distractions from our real aim -- yes, aim. We have one aim, and that is Total Aryan Victory, and a beautiful, serene, plentiful new world for our people's future.

That being said, remember our one goal, and links are completely unnecessary -- I'd like to reiterate our position as concepts in an abstract "political" landscape. We are aware it is all an Ouroboros of Systemic intellectualism and decay.

We musn't worship the ashes. It is a waste of our resources -- we honour, venerate, and respect those who pathed the way for us, absolutely, but was their sacrifice worthwhile if their legacy was doomed to manifest as crude reinstatement, cosplay, nostalgia, and more of an aesthetic than an optimistic, future-thinking, radical worldview?

We are the common men. We are everywhere, and should act like it -- our uniform is our skin, not historical militaria nor aesthetically-pleasing TikTok-edit Bundeswehr. Playing fancy dress-up also means putting our clandestinity on the line -- this coupled with the fact that it doesn't impress anyone, only cause discord. Even worse, it makes us LARPers -- precisely because it is just that -- LARPing.

The simple answer that has been right under our noses this whole time is to ditch the idea of a single movement, or even an organisation -- be honest, how many failed, dissolved National Socialist mass movements can you name? I bet it's more than you can count on one hand. This is not only fine, but a lesson -- we cannot win if we're open to infiltration from the inside. We cannot win if we're asking for members. We cannot win if we design cool-looking flags with Totenkopfs on them, put phonk music over a heavily-filtered video of us waving them around, and then upload videos saying "hey! Feds! Come bankroll an informant in our awesome Telegram group! t.me/LARPenwaffen_division2".

The way to win, the way forward that has been attempted and yet has failed for empirical reasons I will get into, is local. There's a saying that goes something along the lines of "everything starts at home". Well, there has never been anything so true!

I'm simply here to offer a few suggestions. As the great Brenton Tarrant said, "take what you think is true from this, and leave what you don't". I think that is a great encapsulation of the pursuit of National Socialist truth. I digress:

# SIEGE is boring as fuck. It is an extremely off-putting, TL;DR collection of obselete rants. I won't say it doesn't have some truth in it, because that would be a lie. But worshipping oldfags that killed coal burners in the 80s, or schizos like Charles Manson, will only put off potential recruits, and endear us to weirdos. AN: if anything, tell people to read the American Futurist publication. It can be pretty wise, learnt, and sane. The Atomwaffen guys have a lot to teach us from where they failed so greatly.

# We need a short, simple message, one that I hope the likes of this essay, when finished, will convey succintly. The kind that can be summed up almost entirely in a single sentence "MAKE YOUR OWN LOCAL NATIONAL SOCIALIST CELL AND BE CLANDESTINE ABOUT IT!"

# YOUR POLITICS ARE BORING AS FUCK TOO! No one cares about your plan to m'heckin balkanise the US with "based tradcath repatriation chad wojack white ethnostates". Literally no one. They're all thinking of their own inane variation. A timely adage from our opponents -- "YOU WON'T DO SHIT". You have no power. You have nothing but resistance. A silent goy that's heckin' thinking about his ideology in his head is as good a goy as one loudly professing his unwavering support for Israel, and that's because YOU NEVER HAD ANY SAY IN THE MATTER ANYWAY.

# Esotericism is spiritual materialism. It's a desperate punchline to a joke. It's private, ultimately. If you believe in esoteric babble, that's fine, but you should realise that you will get nowhere in this deeply materialistic world with your thoughts. As such, please don't include any books that contain the words "Kali Yuga" in reading lists or cellular book clubs.

# Buy durable clothing. Don't have a uniform. Seriously. Don't wear armbands, don't buy SIEGE masks -- cover your face with all-black. You should be able to blend into the crowd.

# Five is the upper limit. Once you have five members, immediately take down all recruitment posters/stickers, and get to know your comrades. They must be your friends, ideally before recruitment but acceptably after. You should trust them with your life.

# Strength through joy! Have fun with them -- now that there is no burden of lame propaganda, don't waste your time on optic antics such as storming through empty buildings. Train for things you'll actually have to do, develop skills you'll actually need. In the meantime, and generally, I say again, have fun! Play games, if that's your thing, play music together, have sleepovers, all these things.

# Accept recruits only in your age range. The least trustworthy recruit is one above 35, with kids. If you're under 30, only accept under-30-year-olds. We are, first and foremost, a youth movement, however, if you are actually on the older side of things, only accept older people. It is a very bad idea to get involved at all if you are under 16. With applying these things to your cellular creation, likewise if you're joining a cell have the same standards and scrutiny.

# Feds will apply if you leave invitations up for more than two weeks. Interview every applicant via an actually secure app such as Wire or Matrix.

# Put up stickers/posters within walking distance of your house. Don't put up more than 50. Don't put them in obstructive places, and don't stain the environment with them.

# When you put them up, go with the successful Atomwaffen "join your local Nazis!" approach, but tone it down as much as possible. Nothing provactive. Just put up small stickers with little swastikettes on them that say "Are you National Socialist? Get active today! (WIRE ADDRESS)". Take note of the location of all of them so you can take them down when necessary.

# DON'T USE THE INTERNET FOR ANYTHING! Anything at all! Don't use TELEGRAM either, it has been compromised. It might help to not even give your group a name, because YOU DON'T WANT PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT YOU UNTIL YOU'VE ACTUALLY ACHIEVE ANYTHING!

# In the very, very rare case that you're a rev. NatSoc woman, only accept women into your cell. Likewise, don't accept women into your cell if you're male. This is to avoid sexual dynamics which will distract everyone and their comradery. Sorry Andrew Anglin and your imaginary friends, but the white sharia brainrot is counterproductive at best and pathetic at worst. Our Aryan women share our courage, though they are of course women, a completely different type of man. That being said, as Rockwell is quoted, "TO HELL WITH THE RIGHT-WING"; TO HELL WITH THE ALT-RIGHT!

# DON'T TELL ANYONE. DON'T SAY ANYTHING ONLINE, DON'T INVITE A NEW MEMBER LATER ON, EVEN IF YOU HAVE A FRIEND WHO IS A KEEN REV. NATSOC, DON'T EVEN TELL HIM ABOUT YOUR GROUP. SERIOUSLY. DON'T TELL YOUR GIRLFRIEND, YOUR MOM OR YOUR OLDER BROTHER. IT'S THAT SIMPLE.

# In the case of, say, a family member interrupting a meetup, make it out like you're actually a weak movementarian book club-like affair, that is only getting together because of the objective and noticed-by-normies oppression of albeit cringy moderate right-wing movements. Don't ever concede. Even if they agree, they're just another liability on your back. Likewise, do not allow motormouths, that will prance around in SA cosplay, singing Horst-Wessel Lied, and get talked to by deradicalisation police, into your cell. It is a duty of yours to never let them into your cell at all.

# If a member leaves the cell over discord, the whole cell is immediately put at great risk. A member that becomes unaffiliated is instantly a liability to report your (as far as the System is concerned: conspiracy) to police. Keep things like this in mind at all times, and aim to profilerate amongst yourselves the healthiest suspicion and cautiousness possible without edging into paranoia/delusion.

# Remember what you're fighting for.

# Never lose your smile.

# If you do not do anything, do not despair. Despair is death of the soul.

# Use the judgement your ancestors passed down to you. If you believe so dearly in the Aryan spirit, then prove it to others.

# Your words ultimately mean nothing at all to anyone. Only your actions.

# Learn from the failure of others, do not shy away from tales of it because of biased accounts, study successful revolutions, the conditions, etc.

# Check out the American Futurist. Sorry for all the shilling, but, it's worth it.

# The best time to act is now, of course.

# If you disagree with this, just ignore it. It's that simple. Don't embarrass yourself, now.

# You know the rest.
	
I end this with a quote, once again, from Tarrant in his manifesto, that, to me, is the perfect antidote to cowardice, inaction, and paranoia.

"I had seen many pictures and heard many people discuss the cemeteries, but even knowing about these cemeteries in advance, I was still not prepared for the sight.

Simple, white, wooden crosses stretching from the fields beside the roadway, seemingly without end, into the horizon. Their number uncountable, the representation of their loss unfathomable. I pulled my rental car over, and sat, staring at these crosses and contemplating how it was that despite these men and womens sacrifice, despite their bravery, we had still fallen so far.I broke into tears, sobbing alone in the car, staring at the crosses, at the forgotten dead.

Why were we allowing these soldiers deaths to be in vain? Why were we allowing the invaders to conquer us? Overcome us? Without a single shot fired in response?

WHY WON’T SOMEBODY DO SOMETHING?

In front of those endless crosses, in front of those dead soldiers lost in forgotten wars, my despair turned to shame, my shame to guilt, my guilt to anger and my anger to rage.

WHY WON’T SOMEBODY DO SOMETHING?

WHY WON’T SOMEBODY DO SOMETHING?

WHY DON’T I DO SOMETHING?

The spell broke, why don’t I do something?

Why not me?

If not me, then who?

Why them when I could do it myself?"

TL;DR: MAKE YOUR OWN LOCAL NATIONAL SOCIALIST CELL AND BE CLANDESTINE ABOUT IT, FAGGOT!
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>>5027
There's a lot of wisdom in this post.
I recommend reading it, even if it is long.
I detect a fair amount of the spirit of Harold Covington in this.
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>>5027
>esoteric is lol
Your loss. But only qualified people should apply, it's not essential to the majority of WN.
>recycling the tarrant shit many years later
The laughable idea that of all the people one could quote about the need to organize and fight, you had to pick the one who conveniently sidelined the Jewish Question entirely.
># Put up stickers/posters within walking distance of your house. Don't put up more than 50. Don't put them in obstructive places, and don't stain the environment with them.
>leave swastikas everywhere across your city block
Nice ((( advice ))) Chaim.
>DONT UES INTRNET!!!
>(ok you can use Wire or Matrix)
Absolutely incoherent.
You also posted that message on internet.
And we will not shut it down, no matter how much you kvetch about it.
>YOU DON'T WANT PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT YOU UNTIL YOU'VE ACTUALLY ACHIEVE ANYTHING!
Because littering your neighborhood with leaflets with swastikas printed on them is certainly not going to have people talk about you at all.
>TL;DR: MAKE YOUR OWN LOCAL NATIONAL SOCIALIST CELL AND BE CLANDESTINE ABOUT IT, FAGGOT!
Glownigger, you don't insult people gratuitously when you want to be taken seriously while pretending being on our side.
>>5037
Oh yeah? So what do you suggest instead?
It's easy to find fault with everything. But we need proactive, realistic solutions to combat White genocide.
>>5037
If you’d offer alternatives to what I was saying I’d appreciate it.
However, I’d like to clarify that what I meant is don’t conspire online. Having a clear-headed, bot and shill-free ideological vanguard like this board is pleasant, even though the kikes will shut it down if they get the opportunity (8ch)

A few swastika stickers will just have a few people talking about it. What is the problem here? Obviously one of them might report it, and then that’s how the feds would get involved, that’s why I suggested taking them down after a week at most.
Matrix and Wire are protocols unlike Telegram which has been compromised.
It’s a shame that this board is so dead. There are a lot of National Socialists on the hell that is 4cuck /pol/. I had to scroll through backpages to find this site.
Honestly, it’s laughable how you can call me a fed all the while endlessly bad-jacketing a comment I wrote that specifically discusses effective strategies to avoid infiltration.
How lame.
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>>5037
Tarrant got a few things wrong, and he went after an arguably silly target, but he demonstrated what you can achieve if you actually plan and have balls
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>>5037
>"take what you think is true from this, and leave what you don't"
>>5037
>leave swastikas all around your city block
My apologies, I live in a village in rural Wales. One of my least developed suggestions was that one. Definitely change it to suit your environment.
>>5037
>>esoteric is lol
>Your loss. But only qualified people should apply, it's not essential to the majority of WN.
You will never be a real Brahmin.
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>>5027
>Matrix
I don't think unfathomably complicated Israeli chat protocols can be considered secure.
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>>5049
well, I may be wrong. Any suggestions for something actually secure? The only reason at all is so that new recruits could be interviewed
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>>5048
>you will never be a real hindoo mutt
>>5045
>if you carry many weapons and fire in the general direction of a thick crowd you can kill a lot of people
Nice tip, genius, we would have never guessed.
>>5045
Brenton Tarrant was an Iron Age warrior.
He may not have been a highly strategic thinker, but he saw a crime being committed against his people and lashed out at the most obvious perpetrators.
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>>5055
>He may not have been a highly strategic thinker, but he saw a crime being committed against his people and lashed out at the most obvious perpetrators.
So he went after the traitors, politicians and the jews, obviously.
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>>5044
>effective strategies to avoid infiltration
<openly display your colors yet pretend it's all clandestine despite the blatant promotion
>>5056
I wish he had. If he did, he'd be among the Greats of political terrorism (not a judgement but a method)
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>>5059
>implying he isn't
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>>5066
>implying he is
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>>5067
Unfortunately, his target selection disqualifies him from the S tire rank, which men like Andres Breivik and various unknown IRA leaders hold.
He gets points for being conscious of his actions, but a fucking boomer and a non-White woman still accidentally chose a more meaningful target. 

He's still a saint though.
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>>5077
Tarrant got S rank the alternate way. If Robert Bowers only killed one kike, it would still make him S rank, because killing one kike is a winning ratio. Tarrant shot shitskins, so 50 is more than enough for S rank. Basically, if you're going to kill shitskins, you have to kill at least 10 or 20.
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>>5155
No because those 50 Muslims were easily replaced and they exercised no serious political power or influence on the system.
While he earns points for being brave enough to do it, he loses them for his poor target selection.
As for Bowers, again, his targets had no significant political power. They were bringing in shitskins, true. But a huge percentage of jews do this. He deserves praise for taking action but he also deserves criticism for his abysmal target selection. He could have killed a named individual or something but he chose not to. Not good.
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>>5156
>he chose not to
False and homosexual.
An elected leftist politician literally fled the Utoya island by boat leaving the younglings to be slaughtered. Cannot remember the name, some norwegian blackshirt could retrieve it please?
Breivik was GOAT, period.
The only bad target is no target.
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>>5156
not really true when you consider that the bomb part of his plan failed
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>>5159
I never said that Breivik was not S tire. In fact, I am the one who compared him with Al-Quaeda and concluded that he was objectively superior.

>>5163
Tarrant never used a bomb as far as I know.
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>>5165
>Tarrant never used a bomb as far as I know.
He bombed, or at least was blamed, for the bombing of the government complex that housed tons of official organizations.
Days after a coincidental bombing drill and days after a Palestine friendship declaration too
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>>4841 (OP) 
Antifa did empower Hitler that way. Thanks for noticing. 
>4chan 4chan 4chan 
y u do dis?
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>>5159
That poster said Bowers, not Breivik.
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>>5166
>He bombed, or at least was blamed, for the bombing of the government complex that housed tons of official organizations
Woah, this is the first time I have even heard of this. I did not know of any New Zealand bombing in recent years. Source?

>>5167
Let's be honest, there isn't that much discussion here as of yet.
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>>5168
My bad.

>>5165
>Tarrant never used a bomb as far as I know.

He had several petrol cans in his car but at the end he was in a hurry and left  the mosque without using them.

>>5166
Never happened.
Breivik bombed government building in Norway (vid related)
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>>5172
I wish he had.
Lone shooters do not strike again. At least, they usually don't.
Bombers are more often more committed to long term resistance.
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>>5182
boom
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>>5172
>Tarrant didn't, Breivik did
Disregard that post, i suck cocks
>>4841 (OP) 
One big issue I have with accelerationism is how mindless many people are with it. 
It's often used as an excuse for bored 4/pol/ to cheer anything happening, but its very important to be careful about WHAT you accelerate.
Economic accelerationism is all well and good, as it causes short term trouble that can often force peoples' hands to change how they operate.
Racial acceleration is NOT a positive, because the damage it causes is PERMANENT. Five generations from now, the economic trouble of today will be barely remembered, but we will absolutely still be living with the consequences of race mixing.

I don't know if you can trust the average person to distinguish between the right and wrong kind of accelerationism, so its probably better not to support it all together.
>>5234
more like, the biggest problem is natsocs being unable to meet each other.
So many burnt-out Andrew Anglin-tier bums clog up fascist thought spaces that you get to hear about, and this is no coincidence. The progressive disease creeps up on “Alt-Right” undesirable types. It’s never a matter of them “them being wrong” or “them being right”, as pathetic and meaningless a lot of the content that is output by them is — uninteresting condolences and condemnations of actually relevant world events.
After a while of cynicism and the rot that is 4cuck /pol/, the clay of these thoughts becomes a feedback loop, similar to what keeps ChinkTok users on ChinkTok, but with “edgy Alt-Lite content” and Spic Fuentes streams that they can shout “yeah!” to mentally.

Accelerationism is a bit of a stupid, vague concept. When you ask someone who claims to support it to define it in their own terms, they just start defining NSLF/American Futurist/Nazi Guerilla ideology.

We need to purvey a movement of Nazi Guerilla warfare that makes it very clear what it means by “decentralisation”, literally, you and your natsoc friends. We need to purvey an attractive, simple lifestyle and movement, not draped in confusing obfuscated aesthetic bullshit and ((( Telegram ))) tomfoolery. Not outdated, unfunny Alt-right memes that natsoc youth doesn’t give a shit about, bar a few autistic nostalgiatards.
YOUR OWN
CELL.
NAZI
GUERILLA
WARFARE.
What the NSLF actually meant, though of course evolved… what SIEGE actually advocates for, bar Mason’s occasional schizophrenia and Manson-worship. The obstacle is that “accelerationism” isn’t clear — how the fuck are you accelerating downfall? It’s complex and focuses on the crumbling of SYSTEM POWER not the GAIN OF NATSOC POWER which makes it seem like WEAK, DIRECTIONLESS, ANARCHIST TRANNY NONSENSE.
And most of all, we need to make it clear that we don’t appreciate cowards, moderates, degenerates, and that we don’t need the Internet for organisation one bit.

I have formulated my plan, which I invite you, who somehow found this dead-end, low PPH forum on some altchan. A very simple one.

• I will make images with checklists and instructions on formulating your own natsoc cell
• I will spread these on a variety of social media, including places where zoomer fascists, which there are a lot of, hang out, such as ChinkTok, but also Twitter, Jewtube, etc.
• I will make posters too and put them up. I will upload them to this forum for you to do the same.

It ultimately means nothing what you say. I use Anglin as an example because he’s just the worst of the worst, an absolute motormouth slob.
It means nothing what you say, it only matters what you DO.
Your dopamine loops, troon-level addiction to fashy media, occasional controversial comments, etc. mean and will never mean ANYTHING to ANYONE. Get a fucking life. Make a difference or die. I won’t make you do either.
This pathetic disorganisation leads to embarrassing, chronic idleness. How much do you really fucking care about your race? Do you just like saying that?

It’s so easy to tell a fed IRL.
Just get off the fucking Internet if you’re not helping others develop their cell, or helping develop your own.
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>>5234
because come on, they’re just fucking saying words. They’ve done jackshit to the trajectory… for all the “””Injektkreigfueurfedwaffen division unit”””s I’ve heard counter-terrorism faggots whine about NOT A SINGLE ORTHODOX WAFFEN CELL HAS BLOWN UP A SINGLE TRANSFORMER. ONLY FUCKING RUSSEL AND THE ACTUAL ATOMWAFFEN THAT ACTUALLY KINDA WAS KIND OF GETTING A LITTLE READY TO DO A FEW THINGS BEFORE THE SATANIC PANIC WAS DOING THAT. WHAT IS THIS INSANITY? WHAT IS THIS LARP?
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>>5234
no, white genocide hasn’t been slowed, you don’t fucking slow a bullet, you block it, or you die, you don’t go onto honeypot.org and say OMG guyz I totally supportz kevlar vestz guyz what the fuck is that achieving?
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>>5237
>>5238
>>5239
Cells only form around a vision and a leadership. In such times it would require anything from an international organization to mere national ones. For now it's all remained nice, I haven't seen anything solid taking shape, snitches included. Even within major far-right parties there have been seldom underground radicals. There is simply no true racial White leadership with any sufficient experience in warfare yet. It's all talks, posing and shitposting in comment sections. Whites have been truly neutered and domesticated at large. How pathetic really, as if there didn't exist White guys who knew how to fight and begged to get behind a leader to get shit done. It's rather strange how we all seem stuck in some kind of lulling limbo, a mental gray sludge of total inaction. The modern world creates these conditions with comfort, consumption and entertainment, the latter not coming from Holywood but from one's online activity and reactions to current events. It's still entertainment nonetheless. Thankfully, UK has moved further into the dystopia by making this kind of entertainment criminal. You get a minimum of two years behind bars for the slightest pro-White or racist activity. This is where we are now. It's bad. It's so bad it's actually good. It will keep radicalizing people.
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>>5245
hehe, from the UK myself :-D
Nothing was ever going to happen in comfortable conditions.
Fuck going after transformers, if guerillas went after servers…
>>5021
Seems like this thread actually took a turn for the better after I left (>>4859)
The American Futurist is great.
And OP really needs to get off 4chan/Discord and stop sucking his own dick with Covington podcasts.
>>5234
I agree. Accelerationism is often misunderstood by people with big egos (mostly those against it but also by those for it).
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>>5234
>It's often used as an excuse for bored 4/pol/ to cheer anything happening
This is too real.

>>5293
What's your problem, bro?
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>>5293
thanks buddy
any suggestions for actually accelerationist spaces like TAF?
I had to search really hard to find TAF in the first place. Telegram isn’t an option anymore; IM is long dead, 4/pol/ has literally been eviscerated, and I’m not making an account for any MSSM.
I asked the other guys in my cell and they didn’t have any suggestions.
I’m mostly asking because I’m interested in the state of the movement and it’s so refreshing to finally find ideological output from real natsocs that have balls like TAF. If not that’s fine.
Hail victory!
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>>5299
>What's your problem, bro?
I grew up and still live in a libtard hellhole. I've become jaded from the state of the movement in this region (egotistical retards like OP who think they're outsmarting the system by limiting themselves while mocking people who make real sacrifices).
>>5309
Telegram is still the best we've got. Recently there's been a push toward a platform called SimpleX by a group called "Agency International" but I wouldn't count on it, Terrorgram already attempted a similar migration to a platform called Tamtam and was banned on the spot. The CEO of SimpleX already made a statement that he intends to do the same.
There's also been a push toward VK, but VK was already popular among IronMarch and they where all banned.
Things are looking pretty bleak right now because it's election season, feds are pulling all kinds of bullshit. I recommend laying low until things settle down. I have friends in jail right now just for saying mean things online.
When it comes to Telegram though how do I find you? After the Terrorgram arrests and AI's push toward SimpleX a lot of chats have been deleted. And I feel like this discussion would be better in such an environment.
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>>5319
I am OP and you are projecting a lot.
I do not believe I mocked anyone for making a sacrifice. I stated that most "accelerationists" who talk about their "accelerationism" are only saying that whatever current thing the regime or shitlibs are doing is based because "it'll wake up the normies"
I took an entirely neutral position. If accelerationism actually is the way, then do something to rock the boat beyond talking about it on 4chan. If it is not, then talking about how based it is that the regime is importing another 10 million spics is worse than useless.
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>>5319
Despite all this talk of cells and decentralization you retards still haven't figured out how to communicate without using monolithic honeypots. Have fun sending all your unencrypted messages attached with a phone number straight to intelligence agencies.
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>>5321
I am not opposed to maintaining Op-Sec for actual operations and actually sensitive information, but what info could you possibly be sharing on Telegram that would land you in trouble with the organs if it is decrypted?
Don't talk about illegal acts online. That's step 1 of not being a retard.
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>>5320
Lol 
All you ever do is project every time I talk to you. You literally said multiple times you only larp on 4chan and Discord, while constantly making shit up about what I "advocate".
(again I think this discussion would be better over instant messaging)
>>5322
Decent post for once.
>>5322
>I am not opposed to maintaining Op-Sec for actual operations and actually sensitive information, but what info could you possibly be sharing on Telegram that would land you in trouble with the organs if it is decrypted?
<I have friends in jail right now just for saying mean things online.
<After the Terrorgram arrests and AI's push toward SimpleX a lot of chats have been deleted.
If they practiced the absolute basics of opsec most of them would have never been arrested.
>Don't talk about illegal acts online. That's step 1 of not being a retard.
No one who uses an obvious honeypot is smart enough to follow step 1.
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>>5326
Literally the only ones arrested where already doxed beforehand and they never actually said anything illegal. It's literally just election season bs and they'll be released as soon as the case is taken to court.
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skip to paragraph 4 if you don't want the preamble about Rome

I was contemplating the Roman Empire, as we all do. In particular, Hermann's (Armenius) successful revolt against them. Hermann was able to, as a trusted Roman advisor no less, mobilize and organize an army of ~20,000 and ambush a Roman army at least of that size, destroy it, and liberate Germania. Let us just contemplate the logistics of this feat.
While serving as the commander of a significant Roman auxiliary army, Armenius contacted the leadership of at least 7 tribes. Mind you, this isn't as simple as playing a videogame where you press the button and ally with the singular AI of a tribe. Actual Germanic tribes were run by people, potentially thousands of local leaders, councils, and the commoners themselves. Germanic tribes were in many cases governed by folkmoots or assemblies of all the free men of the polity. 
What I am getting at here is that there is absolutely no way you could keep this rebellion a secret between Armenius + 7 absolute kings.
This revolt was common knowledge among at least 7 major tribes and therefore, common knowledge among most Germans of 9 AD.

Yet the Roman governor Publius Quinctilius Varus had absolutely no clue it was happening until his men were cut off and surrounded in Teutoburg Forest. To put this in a modern context, imagine a scenario where something like 30-40% of the White American population (rough estimate of the % of German population at the time based on eyeballing a map) is actively supporting a revolt against ZOG. This revolt would common knowledge for something like maybe >60% (pure guess based on eyeballing trade routes of ancient Germanic) of the population for at least a year before a shot is fired.
Yet when it goes down, the kikes are taken by total surprise.
Just imagine that.

It's ludicrous. There is simply no way in which this regime wouldn't figure out what was going on with so many people in the loop. Someone would blab. It's like going to the "tribe" of Kansas and meeting with the "Folksmoot" of their government and convincing a some townhall style meeting of people to rebel yet not one person telling the feds. Not gonna happen.
And yet the success of this rebellion isn't unique at all. The Romans were routinely, in fact usually caught completely off guard by rebellions. France, the Holy Roman Empire, England, Russia, China, Persia, every empire of the past was routinely surprised by peasant and ethnic revolts. In fact, it's not even a deep past thing. In the 20th century, decades long insurgencies were sustained by ethnic minorities like the Basque and Irish and Corsicans against industrialized democratic police states and yet the core element of the revolting population did not blab to the regime upon first hearing a rebellious thought. 

The point of all of this is to evidence that there is something fundamentally different about the modern American (& west European) population. The very notion that a large subset of the population could openly plot a rebellion and catch the regime off guard is ludicrous. Why is everyone so willing, even eager to inform on his neighbors over something as idiotic as not wearing a fucking covid mask while men in 9 AD spent at least a year not telling the Romans that Armenius was running around Germany preaching rebellion?
I think that the main issue is that the American/west European population views the jewish regime as the legitimate authority. Despite all this talk of hating the government, even conservatives believe that the system works and even represents them. I'm not saying that I have stood on a soap box and preached armed rebellion at my local hunting club, but in a thousand conversations I have gotten the gyst that if I did, I'd not receive a warm reception. I suspect you know this too or you'd be doing it. 
The Germans of 9 AD, the English Peasants of 1381, and the Basques of the 1970s did not view their rulers as legitimate. So when rebellion was pitched, they didn't blab. 

Therefore, in order to get out of the death camp that is White genocide, we need to move our folk away from viewing the regime as representatives of the population. They are occupiers, exploiters, enemies. 
Obviously, it would be just terrible to actually want a rebellion against the sacrosanct US government. But I have often heard a counter-argument to what I just wrote that goes like:
>who cares about the wider population? History is written by determined minorities. White nationalists should form tiny cells that shoot out the electric grid. Once power goes down, there will be riots and somehow this leads to us emerging from the chaos as absolute masters of America.
(Again, I disavow actually doing illegal crimes that break the law.)

This is unrealistic in a multitude of ways. 
Firstly, if the population rioting against a power outage leads to the regime collapsing, why would that not apply to us? 
Secondly, why would that even lead to the regime collapsing? Maybe there would be a recession, but the regime has nigh infinite resources and we do not. If rioting peasants are going to look for someone to restore power, they wouldn't look to tiny White nationalist cells. 
Thirdly, who is even rioting here? This "plan" as I understand it is to get niggers to riot. But if niggers are rioting against the regime, then the regime will just shoot them dead and our own population will cheer on the regime. Jews don't give a shit about niggers. If they become a threat to their power, they'll just shoot them. Ironically, the only subset of our population that would oppose this are the shitlibs. Is the plan to get them to initiate an insurgency? What would that accomplish?
The entire "shoot transformers" meme is reactive and leads nowhere.

There is simply no realistic way for a tiny percentage of the population to overthrow this regime. We need at least a large percentage of the White population to actively oppose the regime. Not write about how much they hate taxes on twitter, but to actively abstain from participating in the regime and its institutions. To be in a state of mind where they do not immediately call the police when someone talks about non-legal actions.
>>6165
Arminius and his people didn't live in an hyper-individualist neo-liberal hellhole like the US nowadays where everyone are taught to be "unique" and "competitive", why you are special and the other guys suck, which is why it was easy for them to have it kept as a secret from the Romans.

Your Average Joe or what we call the 'lemming' otherwise looked up to leaders of the tribes instead as they didn't have the television or any other instrument of the institutional media complex for their brains to absorb their information from.
They also didn't have sophisticated indoctrinated centers (as in schools) to state what trends, idea, lifestyles it wants them to do.

>There is simply no realistic way for a tiny percentage of the population to overthrow this regime. We need at least a large percentage of the White population to actively oppose the regime. 
It must be cleared that mass public support is an indicator of success, not 'prerequisite' for success.
Revolutionaries like Lenin and his fanatical commies were relatively small compared to the Mensheviks and the White Guard Monarchists.
But they had the most productive people out of all (generally coming from rural areas), they convinced already-alienated mechanics and electricians who in return happily returned the favor by sabotaging the Russian side during WW1.
Numerous !=! Productive.
An group of one hundred random retards can't outwork one quality and productive activist.

Also I'm pretty sure no one outside of Kaczynskist circles would actually want to sabotage the power in order to achieve Total Aryan Victory, it would be retarded to try taking control of a huge country like America without industrialization and electricity since the Chinks and Russians could just invade easily and gain it all.
The consensus I've heard among the NS circles are generally either small cells via guerilla style or the another option which the plan is to re-learn and  repeat Lenin's tactics, the tactics of Hamas and Hezbollah, generally any revolutionary tactic and then apply them to impoverished areas like West Virginia.
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>>6172
That is true. The rootedness of traditional societies plays a major role in the success of rebellions. Sadly, I cannot envision a way we can engineer this back without having taken power first. Though, perhaps a severe economic collapse could snap people back into reality and rootedness bourn out of poverty would develop organically.
>small cells via guerilla style or the another option which the plan is to re-learn and  repeat Lenin's tactics, the tactics of Hamas and Hezbollah, generally any revolutionary tactic and then apply them to impoverished areas like West Virginia.
The communists had already attained widespread support among unions, farmers, and soldiers long before Lenin arrived in Finland. And Hezbollah is the definition of movement politics. It's well known that they maintain a staunchly loyal population base through providing charity which the Lebanese state fails to deliver. They are most akin to Armenius' rebellion against Rome. 

The problem with guerilla movements that lack popular support is they lack the ability to draw strength from the people. Not just the ability to take shelter, but the intel and physical support that the population provide is essential. Imagine the success of a pro-White cell that conducts terror attacks against any target vs one which strictly limits itself in target selection to reduce civilian casualties, yet also enjoys strong support among the West Virginian population. There is no controversy, the latter would be much more successful. 
The former has no cushion and would operate on a knife's edge, one mistake away from being wiped out by authorities. 
As for the Russian revolution, that was made possible only by at least 2 generations of political work by leftist and jewish agitators. 

Furthermore, imagine the long term future for said cell. The goal is ultimately to form a new government for White people. Which is more likely to attain this? A group which operates under the assumption that the support of the people is irrelevant or the group which focuses on this? Again, no controversy. Intuition suggests the latter.
Even if the alienated cell somehow did overthrow the regime, how could it even take power after dealing the final blow except by engaging in yet another war against the very population we're fighting to free?
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>>6174
I would imagine the small cell option (with you and your three buddies that you knew all your life) would be a viable option when you're dealing with the institutional power-agencies like FBI which agents are unneeded to infiltrate various network of (potential) informants could do the job.
Times are changing however, when Trump squeezes the FBI and other agencies out by replacing them with incompetent unqualified loyalists with zero experience, plus his buddy Elon could de-power the government into much more smaller.

A little reminder that Ancaps, Lolbertarians and Social Democrats are the best useful idiots that NS would ever ask for, as candidates for elections, since those two are for small "governments" which couldn't fight insurgent organizations very well and the latter accelerates the dismantlement of countries so well. that only will then our cause seem the most attractive to the masses and we will have guaranteed victory only if we are more competent than the other radical groups.
Back then, the Social Democrats fucked up Germany so bad that Hitler only won public support then after and got elected. So one could only hope for Bernie-Sanders type Democrat to get elected.

Also distinguish movement, which kind?
Lenin didn't recruit random leftoids as given his animosity towards the broader Mensheviks, not without some strong vetting first, and I doubt other revolutionary groups like the Jihadists also did the same.
Smaller movements that are packed with smaller mass but more muscle will achieve more than any sort of mass-movement. (as it grows with more mass in the most literal sense, aka fatties.)
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>>6177
>when Trump squeezes the FBI and other agencies out by replacing them with incompetent unqualified loyalists with zero experience, plus his buddy Elon could de-power the government into much more smaller.
*if
I have almost zero faith that Trump will rock the boat he is now captain of.
Though, I will pray to ancient Aryan Gods that he does.

Lenin didn't create the Russian revolution. He highjacked it. By the time he stepped off his train, there was already a raging hurricane of political revolution.
>>6165
>To be in a state of mind where they do not immediately call the police when someone talks about non-legal actions.
You just need dudes in Racist costumes to show up to neighborhoods inconsistently and tell people how to kill cops. People will become desensitized if you repeatedly tell them what makes zogbots scared to go to work.
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>>6174
>Though, perhaps a severe economic collapse could snap people back into reality and rootedness bourn out of poverty would develop organically.
>economic
You're making a very common mistake, one cuckservatives make all the damn time. You're thinking in purely economic terms when you should be thinking in racial terms. Let me be clear on this: Economic hardship is likely to cause unrest, but no crisis will ever get John Q. Public to actually revolt. He will grumble, he will complain, he might post angry tirades on his Facebook page, but at the end of the day if his basic wants are fulfilled he will not lift a finger. If the average guy on the street has a beer in his hand, a working TV to watch sportsball and soap operas and some food in the fridge he will tolerate any indignity. The only way they will ever get off their asses and do something is if their backs are against the wall. When niggers are roaming the streets in packs raping and killing Whites in broad daylight and the authorities refuse to intervene, when the average person feels their life is directly threatened, and if there is a visible alternative to the authorities that will adamantly refuse to help them, only then you have their support.
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>>6513
This, incidentally, was one of the strategies of the Taliban. They would take over villages at night and let the Americans take them back in the day. The purpose was to make it clear that if you collaborate with the enemy, you will be killed at night.

>>6529
>no crisis will ever get John Q. Public to actually revolt. He will grumble, he will complain, he might post angry tirades on his Facebook page, but at the end of the day if his basic wants are fulfilled he will not lift a finger.
If there is a serious economic collapse, his basic wants will not be fulfilled.

That said, I agree that it's possible that White men will never revolt until niggers are shooting people dead in his own neighborhood. The trouble is that we have established a tradition of White flight here in this country. So White men will flee and concede and surrender until we are down to the last White suburb, then he will flee to the hills. The earlier we resist, the better.
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>>6536
>If there is a serious economic collapse, his basic wants will not be fulfilled.
Take a look at the Great Depression. ((( Big Biz ))) guys were living in the lap of luxury and being decadent degenerates as usual while the average American family was struggling not to die from starvation. It didn't lead to a nationwide uprising where bankers got dragged out of their homes and hanged in public places. The average American was simply focused on trying to survive to the next day, only worrying about themselves, their families and maybe their local communities (admittedly penny auctions is something you won't ever see in modern times). We saw better results in Germany because they were fresh from losing a war and suffering a period where the people was not just starved but humiliated and those responsible rubbed it in their faces. There was also an attempt at a Communist revolution that exacerbated the public unrest, and the widespread degeneracy and indignity was the perfect accelerant to make things truly blow up when our mutual friend stood up and got started.

What it boils down to is that you have to knock normalfags out of the "got mine, everyone else get fucked" mindset. He'll try to worry, again, about himself, his family, maybe his friends and local community; but he'll try to "do his own thing" and stay neutral, hoping the upheaval doesn't affect his little corner of the world. If he's made to feel that he can't afford to sit on the fence, that whatever happens will affect him no matter how much he ducks his head, and most importantly if the consequnces he fears are immediately personal and physical, only then will he recover his manhood and start taking action.

In short, it takes a special cauldron of economic downfall, social unrest, political violence and proper propagandizing in order to get the normalfags on your side. Like you said however, the earlier it's knocked into their heads that they have to stand up and act, the better. There are less and less places to run back to, and our population is shrinking every year. If not now, when? If not us, who?
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>>6545
All of the historical phenomenons of which an political movement took power ONLY generally during economic crisis, that is the absolute and most necessary prerequisite, humiliation and alienation are secondary to it.
The cauldron does taste nice, but without the soup however of which is total economic collapse, it would just be the carrots and other vegetables.
I'm sorry to say, but us guys only take power when things go to absolute shit to the point when you couldn't afford to live in an apartment even.
Trump's victory should had alluded you that promising cheap prices, cheap gas, so cheap it's almost free makes lemmings go WILD for you. 
Guess who also utilized that strategy... Lenin and his "Peace, Land, and Bread".
They never gave any dog-shit about race at all until it was pointed out to them that cheap prices go away when Haitians invade in. Just as they also never gave two shits about LGBT and other sorts of faggotry either, generally any sort of social issue ever.

Greece didn't experience an war humiliation from other nations when they got their debt to the European Union (and into to Germany in particular),
YET out of this arose the Golden Dawn who were an developing parallel society to which where the System couldn't provide any kind of service like food banks and private security, the Golden Dawn could AND would.
Ancient Rome also didn't experience war humiliation when Christianity came to exist, the Church provided social services and as a reward, they were rewarded with recruits. 
They used pseudo-pacifism to excuse themselves out to participate in the Roman military, terrorized Pagans and destroyed the temples.

Generally, the Great Depression would seem insignificant to you since political movements get overlooked and forgotten as days go by. 
But even that is not true, as the Great Depression DID produce any political movements in the US, the German-American Bund comes to mind, the Silver Legion of America, the Black Legion (Which were a more violent offshoot of the KKK) that came to be in 1925 became more popular during the GD.
Even Huey Long's movement "Share Our Wealth" was success pretty much until he got assassinated.
Now why all of them didn't succeed comes down to some particular issues that may float over the head of observers if they didn't examine closely.

Inaction, lack of revolutionary fervor, lack of proper understanding of their own worldview (given that Fritz Julius Kuhn said that George Washington, an liberal ideologue was the first "fascist"), Electoralism and reformism instead of being revolutionary.
As it seems, fanaticism with cruelty and merciless to their adversaries along with knowing your own fucking worldview ARE the spices that make the cauldron taste really special.
Bolshevism, the singular will and an particular manifestation of Marxism won Russia all over the White Guards and other Leftists due to their cruelty, promising and providing cheap shit and absolute fanaticism.
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>>6174
>The problem with guerilla movements that lack popular support is they lack the ability to draw strength from the people. Not just the ability to take shelter, but the intel and physical support that the population provide is essential. Imagine the success of a pro-White cell that conducts terror attacks against any target vs one which strictly limits itself in target selection to reduce civilian casualties, yet also enjoys strong support among the West Virginian population. There is no controversy, the latter would be much more successful. 
>The former has no cushion and would operate on a knife's edge, one mistake away from being wiped out by authorities. 
Ask Ned Kelly how well that worked out for him. It's all fun and games until some normalfag decides the money reward for turning you and your lads in is too juicy to pass up. Or he shits himself in fear when the System threatens severe consequences for those who give aid and comfort to "racist terrorists" and turns you and your lads in to be a good little goy.
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>>6564
Ned Kelly would tell you it was still worth the effort, faggot.
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>>6565
>Ned Kelly would tell you it was still worth the effort, faggot.
Missing the point. The point is that you can't rely on normalfags for protection or anything else, because they have no loyalty except to themselves and by extension the System. If they believe they can profit from turning you out to the authorities, they will. If they fear the System more than you (and they will unless you're already winning) they will turn you out to save their own hides. Even if you decide to go on a campaign of terror against snitches and informants to cower them into silence, you can never be 100% sure they will not turn on you. A different approach is needed.
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>>6177
You have go back to 4chan, you stupid glownigger. 8chan called out trump for the BS ziocuck he was, nothing changed after 4 years of him being president. 8chan called this out in 2015 when major powerful jews started supporting him.

> when Trump squeezes the FBI and other agencies out by replacing them with incompetent unqualified loyalists with zero experience, plus his buddy Elon could de-power the government into much more smaller.
You type like a police officer. You are all terrible writers.
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>>6545
> The average American was simply focused on trying to survive to the next day, only worrying about themselves, their families and maybe their local communities
This is sadly true and I believe that the blame for this lies in the strong sense of state legitimacy which the people at that time and even today felt towards the government. This must break. So long as the people feel that the government is representative of their interests, they will continue to support it passively and actively. The German people did not appear to view the "centerist" parties of Weimar Germany as anything more than a cabal of oligarchs. 

I don't dispute that we need to destroy the selfish extremist individualism. Or rather, this cringe boomer mentality that permeates everything in this culture. How we accomplish this is beyond me. And I agree with you that privation may be the fix.
But ultimately, the core problem is this irrational view that the American regime is representative of the public. This has to be broken or the people will never resist.

To reiterate using what >>6561 wrote, you need more than just economic trouble. We need to focus on breaking the chain that binds the people to the regime. This chain, which is the feeling of state legitimacy, is mentally incapacitating our people.
>>6564
>Ask Ned Kelly how well that worked out for him.
That in no way invalidates what you greentexted.
Had Ned Kelly had more loyalty among the local population, he would have undeniably been in a better position.
>>6566
>You can never be 100% certain that someone, somewhere will not rat
Okay, well, if you are hated by everyone, you have a pretty high chance that someone will rat.
But if the people hate the regime and love you, your chances of being ratted out are much, much smaller.
Again, I don't follow your point.
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>>6572
>Had Ned Kelly had more loyalty among the local population, he would have undeniably been in a better position.
He had widespread loyalty. It took one greedy fuck hoping for a reward to rat him out and bring his gang to ruin. The moral of the story is don't rely on normalfags, they don't buy into Robin Hood stories. You need to setup your own clandestine networks and hide them not just from the enemy but also your normalfag neighbors.

>Okay, well, if you are hated by everyone, you have a pretty high chance that someone will rat.
It's not a matter of love or hate. I doubt anyone even among the most brainwashed and moronic normalfags love the System. It's just that their carrots are juicier and their sticks bigger, and it won't be any different until you're in a strong enough position to challenge their rule. For instance, on top of the System's promise to fulfill basic wants in general, how are you going to beat the System's promises of monetary rewards for snitching on "suspected extremists in your local neighborhood", or extra rations or whatever else as the case may be? Hell, there were a lot of assholes who snitched on their neighbors and even their own families during the Covid quarantine years and the aftermath of J6 'for free', simply to grandstand on social media and enjoy the dopamine rush of being a good golem. Furthermore, if a civil war situation is reached and the System also threatens the population with severe consequences should they give aid and comfort to "nazi terrorists" or talk about how they will suspect anyone who doesn't report whoever gives signs of "racist or antisemitic attitudes and affiliations" of complicity and punish them accordingly; how are you going to make them fear your reprisals for snitching more than the System's threats for not snitching? Normfalgas only respond to the dominant power, and we're a long way from being recognized as the dominant power. It can be done, but it'll take a lot of work before there's a meaningful shift.
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>>6573
>The moral of the story is don't rely on normalfags,
That's like saying, "the moral of the story is don't drink water"
It is not possible to maintain an insurgent force without support from the people. You can maintain a tiny terrorist cell without it if you have a foreign state backer. Which is so unlikely for White nationalists that I don't consider it.

>how are you going to beat the System's promises of monetary rewards for snitching on "suspected extremists in your local neighborhood"
Same thing, carrot and stick. The IRA managed to not get ratted out very often despite operating in the open in many cases. That's due to public support from normalfags. The stick is killing traitors. Or at least kneecapping them. 

>how are you going to make them fear your reprisals for snitching more than the System's threats for not snitching?
If the penalty for snitching on rebels is the same as the penalty for snitching on the system, then it'll be up to the individuals to determine for themselves who they like better. Which brings us right back to square 1: You cannot conduct an insurgency without the support of at least a sizeable portion of the people.
>>6568
You are the blackest gorilla nigger with the shittiest reading comprehension ever. No one here is endorsing Trump for his worldview or ideology,
Only how useful he is to Accelerationists and how much damage he could provide to the nation.
Go back to cripplekikechan.
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>>6607
>Only how useful he is to Accelerationists and how much damage he could provide to the nation.
>usefull
>to accelerationists
He pacified all possible non-radicalized nationalist supporters by making them believe the system still works, and the jews let him win the election again after a lot of the electorate lost faith in the democratic system in 2020. Faith in democracy restored and wokies bashed, how's that for helpful Accelerationism? His victory made sure the people willing to rise up simply won't do it because they are back at believing they can win elections. Retards like you think you can overthrow governments and get rid of jewish power by posting on an imageboard. He destroyed the momentum wave the decent folk had going by turning anti-immigration and anti-weimar policy into an Israel dicksucking contest.

>No one here is endorsing Trump for his worldview or ideology
Never in my post i said that you endorsed him, it was stated clearly in my post that your endorsement was of his possible benefits to Accelerationists, which is something very different than what your accusing me of. Despite the fact that what i said is something completely different than what is written in your reply to my post.
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>>6608
>Faith in democracy restored
People keep saying this but I haven't seen it IRL.
Most of those who saw the fraud of democracy in 2020 still think it's worthless. Only those who thought it was a fluke rather than a systemic problem have had "faith restored", and those lemmings never really lost faith.
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>>6608
>He pacified all possible non-radicalized nationalist supporters by making them believe the system still works, and the jews let him win the election again after a lot of the electorate lost faith in the democratic system in 2020. Faith in democracy restored and wokies bashed, how's that for helpful Accelerationism? His victory made sure the people willing to rise up simply won't do it because they are back at believing they can win elections. He destroyed the momentum wave the decent folk had going by turning anti-immigration and anti-weimar policy into an Israel dicksucking contest.
He only pacified anyone who is still foolish enough to believe him, actual NS radicals just move on and go on to recruit any potential radicals to their worldview.
His presence alone heavily increased political polarization. Anyone that were apolitical are now driven into the two camps of "Hyperborean Chuds" and "Leftist Antifa SJWs". Fear and dread are present in the atmosphere to the point where not even some Joe that's living in the bumfuck of nowhere is unaffected.
The George Floyd nigger BLM riots happened under his reign and rampaged across the states, thus planting the seeds of radicalization into anyone affected. Trump retreated into his bitch bunker instead of dealing with them directly.
Trump pardoned nigger rappers instead of his own supporters during his last month.
I think it's fair to say that at least ONE MAGAoid has been disappointed as a result if not many of them more.

Instead of fretting like you're doing right now, it is better to contemplate how much could he fuck it all up. There are good reasons and even better of a chance that he really would fuck it all up hard in his second term compared to others.
He's got Shitlibs and Leftists fedposting about him all over, will they actually follow up on their death threats however remains to be seen.
He's a huge tariff-pusher, that alone makes him more worthy of an Accelerationist candidate in my eyes relatively compared to Kamala.
Tarriffs indirectly increase your daily prices, the tax he would impose on any foreign companies would just increase the prices of the daily goods in return thus worsening the standard of living for the average citizen. The Tariff Act of 1930 while not directly causing the Great Depression helped sunk it further.
You worry too much for what is just four years, it's his last term and I doubt his successors are charismatic as he is, he will only just hasten the inevitable collapse and it's coming sooner than you may think since they actually admitted to it themselves that it will come in 2031. (https://archive.ph/uQXsn)

>Retards like you think you can overthrow governments and get rid of jewish power by posting on an imageboard
I don't, why would I tell you my plans on this chink-basket weaving board and why would you NEED to know? :^)
I would say instead that it is more possible and successful to get rid of jewish power by using forums rather, than it is for imageboards.
In fact, the only reason (You) and I are discussing Accelerationism at all is thanks to Ironmarch at all, whom did just fine during Trump's first term until the FSB forcibly shut them down. Stephan Baele's tactics would never work on there in million of years, because his plan to subvert fundamentally relies on the inclusive and open nature of imageboards, Forums with a heavy emphasis on vetting and quality checking exclude such "people" (Bots) and tactics.

>Never in my post i said that you endorsed him, it was stated clearly in my post that your endorsement was of his possible benefits to Accelerationists, which is something very different than what your accusing me of. Despite the fact that what i said is something completely different than what is written in your reply to my post.
In what fucking way does calling me a glownigger and telling me that I "write like a police officer" is stated clearly? All you did was do these. It doesn't matter what Cripplechan /pol/ had done in 2015 because they fucking turned into a shithole banning literature threads as Imkampfy had shat his Turkroach pants fearing the very thought of Anons discovering and applying the wisdom of their forefathers (Hitler, Codreanu, Rockwell, Mosley) would ever invalidate Imkampfy's crab bucket derad cult.
And why is it bad to write like a "police officer"? Are you ESL?
You're just preaching to the choir, yeah no fucking shit he is an Zionist candidate.
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>>6611
>the inevitable collapse
>it will come in 2031
Big if true. From the NPR article...
>Unless changes are made before then to shore up the program, 66 million Social Security recipients would see their benefits cut by 23-25%.
Does this constitute a "collapse"?
>the Medicare trust fund
>That could result in an 11% pay cut to health care providers
Does this constitute a "collapse"?
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>>6610
Exactly. I voted for Trump not expecting much and if anything the cabinet shenanigans so far have been even worse than I expected. I'm pretty much blackpilled on the future of America as a coherent entity until some viable revolutionary or at least secessionist movement arises. Right now, I don't see one. PF is a joke and they're basically the only name that matters in American WN
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>>6614
>I'm pretty much blackpilled on the future of America as a coherent entity
I am even more blackpilled than that. I truly have no idea what direction to go because all of it seems like a dead-end under the current conditions. I suppose just maintain fitness so I don't die tired.
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>>6614
>>6615
Most of the men with any sort of balls or agency all seemed to have went to the left. We all know that it was a left-wing faggot who shot the heal insurance CEO. His motives were left wing. It is like this retarded species, all races, are more likely to fight for their privileges to be hedonistic degenerates than their own existence. I guess National Socialism/fascism completely ignores the human condition: people will only do anything if it personally affects their comforts and needs. The only reason why it found success in Germany was  because men needed to pimp their wives out so that their families didn't starve. If it was like now, same shit would happen. 

Hell, I knew nothing was going to happen as a result of the vax. No mass die offs. No people suddenly becoming sterile. Just a bunch of controlled sheep getting a rushed, poorly tested pharma drug. I have been floxxed by ciprofloxacin, which causes even more damage than the vax side effects, mind you. That was when I came to the conclusion that pharma is for profit, and thus will rush dangerous drugs that kill or maim people, so long as the chances are low enough that people do not notice, to please their shareholders. That is a part of corporate Jewish law: fiduciary responsibility. 

The great reset will not be some big flashy communist kike revolution/ depopulation event. All that will happen is that the boomers will sell their properties in order to cover the costs of their retirement homes. Meanwhile, millennials, now in  their forties to fifties, get reamed up the ass yet again for the umpteenth time in a row. Collapses never happen. 

First world countries are surprisingly resistant to collapse for a multitude of reasons. People think peak oil will eventually lead to the downfall of ZOG. ZOG can just drill deeper. There are enough resources in this planet that, by the time humanity's long extinct, they'll still be there in abundance.

Wanna here something even truly blackpilling I have realized? With AI, the Jews and the non-White slave races can maintain advanced civilization without us very easily. AI can invent the new technologies. AI can make the new scientific discoveries. Hell, give them a few decades with AI and they can even leave the planet and potentially colonize the solar system or even the galaxy. Super intelligent AI will be the killing blow to the White race. Artificial intelligences have the potential to make even the smartest, most brilliant men of our race look like drooling cretins. 

Against this sort of power, the odds are borderline impossible. The only scenarios where people are victorious against this are complete fiction because the protagonist has as much plot armor as fucking Batman.
>>6616
Is this a bot?
>>6611
>Anyone that were apolitical are now driven into the two camps of "Hyperborean Chuds" and "Leftist Antifa SJWs"
>implying everyone who is anti-woke is chudzil
delusional


>The Tariff Act of 1930 while not directly causing the Great Depression helped sunk it further.
Actually, FDR directly caused the depression with the tariffs because nobody abroad would buy american products anymore. The economy was recovering before the tariffs were implemented, and after the tariffs it skyrocketed. FDR literally caused the great depression with communist economic policy.


>You're just preaching to the choir, yeah no fucking shit he is an Zionist candidate.
Everything you write in the last paragraph is nothing but a straw-man, secondly, the last paragraph of this post stands>>6608. I never accused you of supporting trump, i said you are a retard if you think he benefits Accelerationists. What i said stands.

>Forums with a heavy emphasis on vetting and quality checking exclude such "people" (Bots) and tactics.
Actually it relies on incompetence of the mod team, stormfront was subverted and so was every other website.

If you enforce board rules, its a better system than any other. /fascist/ is for fascists only, /v/ is for videogames. Politics get banned on /v/. Everything that doesn't support fascism gets banned on /fascist/, there problem solved.


>>6614
>PF is a joke and they're basically the only name that matters in American WN
I like PF, problem is, like all other small WN movements, it has not produced anything that benefits WN. 


>>6616
What a horrible post, everything you said is retarded and devoid of any substance.
>>6612
>Does this constitute a "collapse"?
YES to both of those questions, it will strain the welfare state which in return will lead to the possible systemic collapse slowly but surely.
Doubled with the unfunded liabilities (Look it up, it's a nice financial redpill.) of which there is OVER $100 trillion in, and you got yourself a ticking time-bomb.
I suggest you welcome Prayer of the Rollerboys as our possible future.
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>>6616
>all the men
One single guy.
>wanna here
*sigh*
>>6616
WTF are you talking about
things are the best they have ever been.
>PF
kek nevermind, you identify with THEM in principle, yeah kys
Interesting thread that was hijacked b low IQ individuals.
the cell structure is a terrible forced meme.
Tribes are a good structure, with family dynamics, entirely and ACTUALLY self-sufficient unlike cellist LARPery (cellism is an alright idea for a well orchestrated campaign/elbaorate terrorist attack but like nothing else. Hence in natural real-world manifestations like sandnigger insurgency it manifests this way. But not online on Telegram groups in the early 20s because successful warfare tactics aren’t as cool and dark foreigner artwork terrorwave omgxd. Hence the more educated these kids become the more they drift towards successful stratagem, and this was seen in a way via terrorgram’s publications and TAF seperately as the men behind the operations matured and became more educated on warfare
>>6638
Cells would work if you had a highly motivated, high IQ population. 
We have neither.
The cold hard truth is that realistically, all the super complex plans that require thousands of people being in lock step and not making a single mistake are bad plans.
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>>6638
They were not matured, the handlers simply saw that they had to adapt and correct their template because of the online opposition and debunking of their Gladio-like sloperations.
And cell tactics can indeed only work if there's definitely a higher power to guide them all without yet having to send direct orders.
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>>6687
>>6697
The thing is, the obvious avenues of recruitment are out. Handing out flyers on the street is not just a complete waste of time, it'll put you right in ZOG's crosshairs and have a file made on you, with the feds ready to pounce the second it looks like it'll be going somewhere or they need a scapegoat for some purpose. Online recruitment is also off the table, given all the surveilance and algorithms and whatnot. The real problem with these recruitment tactics however is that the low barrier of entry will mean most of the guys who will try to join (besides the informants) will be idiots, weirdos, larpers, blabbermouths and shitheads trying to be edgy to fit in. Or worse, "responsible conservative" types.

There's another problem, and it's the false dichotomy of appeal versus message. If you want to recruit as many people as possible into the cause you'll have to dilute the message because most normalfags won't touch "le nazi hate rhetoric" with a 10 foot pole for fear of their jobs and reputations, plus those who do join will be the aforementioned wastes of oxygen. In other words, recruiting from the general population and leaving it at that, a game of numbers, is going to result in failure.

On the other hand, if you don't dilute the message and hold to a hard line to keep out the dabblers and the hobbyists, you risk attracting the feds' attention, and it's a much bigger risk in an age of keyword algorithms and 24/7 camera surveilance on every street.

Why do I call it a false dichotomy, you might be wondering? I call it a false dichotomy because the answer is neither of the above. The best path, in my opinion, is to start recruiting at the local level. Co-workers, gym pals, neighbors, the like. The close familiarity will allow you to screen and vet them personally, and if you're perceptive and play your cards right you'll be able to filter the guys who will be useful and dedicated to the cause from the chaff. In an age of perennial surveilance online and off, you'll have to operate like a Roman mystery cult in order to survive as an organization.

Of course you won't take the country let alone the world with just you and your poker buddies, you have to expand at some point. Do it gradually, from your street to your neighborhood to your district to your city. Once you're confident you've got good coverage of your city, it's time to spread to other places. Without going into too much detail, I'd say the best way to go about it is to grab a select few members of your group that either travel a lot or have a good alivi to spend a good amount of time away from home, people you 100% trust not just to relay orders but to run the show in your absence and not fuck up at all where opsec is concerned. In any case, you send those guys out to recruit as you did, and so establish cells in other cities. I'm aware this whole process will strike you as terribly slow and inefficient, but remember: Quality beats quantity.

All that said, >>6638 is right in a way. Decentralized cell structures are good for raising hell and conducting insurgent operations but little else. I do not believe they're a "forced meme" however. They're only the first stage, eventually you have to step out of the shadows and take the fight to the enemy. Right now the enemy is well-entrenched and has near full control of the population and institutions as well as a robust surveilance apparatus, therefore operating in small, self-sufficient and expendable cells is the way to go. Once the control apparatus is damaged and the enemy's grip is slackened, once the resistance has a good powerbase and sufficient resources for more ambitious operations, once your organization has a presence in the stage of power, then's the time to coalesce all the cells into a larger coordinated whole. Obvious there's the risk of facional disputes and whatnot, but if you did well in the initial recruitment phase then the risk will be minimal as ideological coherence (a much more important element of warfare than numbers or resources) will remain strong across all units. It's far from impossible, though it'll take a lot of work and foresight.
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>>6700
Sounds good but do you really think it can succeed when time is against us in every way that matters?
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>>6701
I don't know that I will succeed. I don't have the benefit of historical hindsight. And I'm man enough to recognize I'm not some great and glorious leader. I'm no Julius Caesar, no Napoleon Bonaparte, no Adolf Hitler. I don't believe I'm exceptional in any way. I don't believe I have a grand destiny, or that I'm the Chosen One, or anything of the sort. I don't know what the future will bring, or how long it'll take to win, or what sacrifices will have to be made, or if I'm strong enough to carry this on through to the end.

What I know is that I find the current state of the world around me to be intolerable in every way, and that I don't want my children to inherit it, or an even worse one. What I know is that I can ignore it and "live my life" and only worry about my own well-being and prosperity like the average baby boomer and let the next generation deal with it, but I find such a prospect an unforgivable dereliction of responsibility not just to myself or to my loved ones but to the aforementioned generations that will have to live in this world after I've left it. What I know is that if we fail, or worse, if we fail to act, no amount of excuses will mean anything. The light will go out of this world and it'll be reduced to a hellish cesspool of banality and decay. Our works of art will be destroyed, our monuments will be torn down, alll our history and culture will be forgotten, all that we've ever been will be lost and all our struggles will amount to nothing.  Nobody will hear our excuses because there'll be nobody that'll remember us or care to, just a horde of mulatto zombies pissing on the ashes of our libraries and twerking on the burning ruins of our civilization.

What I think is this: Someone has to bell the cat.
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>The thing is, the obvious avenues of recruitment are out. 
Most of them indeed, especially outside of the US where speech is heavily restricted. But since Rockwell, Pierce and Klassen, no serious man has decided to take the mantle and really push pure ideals into the world.

The United States remain one of the few White countries where it still is possible legally to come up with a radical politcal party. Not that the party would have any chance to win but it would serve as a soapbox and loud speaker for our values.

More than ever, the popularity of these values is inversely proportional to their legality. Most of us are certainly convinced by now that a revolution, armed one at that, is necessary, which includes a partial collapse of the actual system before restarting it under our control. We do need to find ways to push our voices into the real world instead of being strictly constrained to limited venues such as more or less obscure websites and some alternative video channels that make only a thousand view per great video.

In a world where there still are hundreds of millions of Whites, most of them natively or capable of speaking English, this low reach is not much excusable. The current events have significantly eroded the Jews' control over our collective mind. We must push harder now.

I believe it is possible to form openly pro-White parties without even having to headbutt with the laws of the country. That is even true in Europe where it's harder over there. The powers that be will not be able to use the law but will put enough pressure through the medias to convince the population that it would be moral to outlaw such parties, which they'll definitely try to do.

Which means that a party that has no armed section is no party at all now. We must really begin to strongly consider being able to rely on silent forces to shove the population our way by use of threats while also–and that is crucial–benefiting from plausible deniability.

We also know how this will end. Nothing short of a civil war that escalates into a full fledged war against kikes and traitors will cut it. Somehow, we will need to able to put pressure on military commanders. These people have families too. A purge such as one that would our distant ancestors would have never balked at, one that depletes our nations from their traitors, that will be the obligatory path we shall follow.

I have hope. I do because I see normal people who feel that all is wrong. Young people are depressed and desperate. Provocative posting, lack of respect for the institutions and their lies and all sorts of radical opinions have now invaded the social networks and contribute to the growth of a healthy chaos. That is just the tip of the iceberg. There is a vast untapped potential that we have yet to find a way to unlock and take for ourselves. Maybe we haven't decided of the proper words yet.

I cannot trust the opinion that the strictly political option is vain when for the last two or three decades we've seldom seen any White Nationalist rise and attempt anything, really anything to convince the masses. Every message is diluted, every one is afraid of his own shadow. We can't succeed with this reductive and self-defeating mindset. We must not let the Jews control how far right the Overton window can slide because we must be the ones pushing it rightwards more and more.

Our message needs to be pure. No shame in being White, we want everything for Whites. Starting with our own countries, and we better be able to intellectually and verbally master the arguments to support such a claim.

>There's another problem, and it's the false dichotomy of appeal versus message. If you want to recruit as many people as possible into the cause you'll have to dilute the message because most normalfags won't touch "le nazi hate rhetoric" with a 10 foot pole for fear of their jobs and reputations, plus those who do join will be the aforementioned wastes of oxygen.
One reason this happens is because no one bothered telling them that it is abnormal to be ostracized for having such opinions. That no one should fear for his work, family or life for holding opinions that amount to saying I don't hate myself, I actually like myself what I am, that is is the others, the parasites, the suicidal, the traitors, the liars and the weak ones who should be afraid.

In fact when you look at there's simply been no properly formulated set of winning points to completely reverse the entire paradigm of pressure. It's OK to be White should be the norm and it should be explained why, and it should be explained that it is neither normal nor acceptable to be living in a once White country wherein Whites have been reduced to third class citizens who must keep quiet, live in shame and work hard to pay taxes to contribute to their own destruction.

This is a simple message that could come in so many variations and yet we barely hear it. Few are those who "ain't givin' a shit" and openly boast being White without sounding like a stupid caricature. Few figures stand for Whiteness. We can see Jared Taylor for example who is a judeophile nonetheless.

Which brings me to the other problem, being that we cannot solve this if we simply do not expose the Jews and finally tell our own people that there is no shame in attacking them. We have the evidence, mountains of evidence of their crimes, and there is no possible way we Whites should accept that Jews rule over us and write our own laws, our own songs, our own movies, our own scriptures. Yet who has been saying such a thing lately? Have we even tried going there before even talking about other unreachable fabulous ventures?

>Why do I call it a false dichotomy, you might be wondering? I call it a false dichotomy because the answer is neither of the above. The best path, in my opinion, is to start recruiting at the local level. Co-workers, gym pals, neighbors, the like. 
I agree but it will not work if it doesn't feel to come from an authoritative figure. Humans being humans, we love big things. For the same reason that we so easily fall to our needs in a need to pray a big daddy in the sky, people are naturally geared to respect what appears to them as a legitimate and imposing figure, regardless of what this is all about.

Being a proselyte for a superior power feels far more respectable and people are gregarious, they want to flock to something greater than them. The shepherd syndrome if you will. If they know that they are not alone, that someone else living on the other side of a region or country thinks the same and does the same than them, it's all the easier to attract such people to our house. This is why the brand phenomenon works for business, this why it works for politics and religion too. But we're yet to use properly for our own ends.

Now regarding the security, there's something we must accept: most people will be careless and will absolutely want to spread their new liberated views online. We know that there will be mistakes and a lot of waste. We could try to tell them to keep their opinions to themselves but that wouldn't work. It would above all be contrary to our objective, shifting the pressure onto our enemies.

We cannot hold a self-contradictory message where on one hand we say we should be proud of ourselves and not have to hide, and on the other hand say to our followers that they shall silence themselves and not even dare speak openly. There must come a time when this has to stop.

I actually believe in the flood effect. We have seen something of that order in Facebook where the censors are too few and psychologically strained to deal with the truth and hatred. The judicial system is equally strained too. It only works because the Federal agents can pick our own one by one, in isolated cases. But what happens when we are many, millions? And when we start forming militias and drawing guns as soon as ZOG dogs come barking at our doors?

We need a greater bonding, more solidarity. We need to saturate the judicial system, bring it to a halt. We need militias to defend ourselves when our own people are threatened by migrants, by employers, by journalists, by mayors, by teachers, by judges or by cops. We need to create a parallel society where another set or rules becomes the real law. Our law.

>Right now the enemy is well-entrenched and has near full control of the population and institutions as well as a robust surveilance apparatus, therefore operating in small, self-sufficient and expendable cells is the way to go.
There's assuredly a need to possess the ability to push hard where it matters, but it has to be smart and it needs not be excessive. In fact, the more violent and vainglorious, the more it will attract the Feds and the fruit flies known as journalists. However, a constant silent pressure that is mundane, of low intensity but which happens anywhere and everywhere is far more efficient.

People are manipulated through fear but only ZOG as a monopoly on fear today because there is no consequence for being openly anti-White. Whatever a cell will do, it should remain secretive. Don't brag about it, don't talk about it before or after. Just go through the gestures and complete whatever you decided needed to be done. Be swift and efficient. Waste no energy no resources. Act quickly and cleanly, move out, don't get caught.
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>>6573
>how are you going to make them fear your reprisals for snitching more than the System's threats for not snitching
Cruel and unusual punishments.
What if there are some dudes in a room with a fireplace, and they write ideas on some paper and pass it around to read, and cast the paper into the fire when done? The paper never leaves the room. Should be impossible to spy on.
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>>6801
Decent idea, but it requires gathering in the first place, which might be difficult when the ZOG starts cracking down and instituting emergency state and banning gatherings.
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>>6700
>Handing out flyers on the street is not just a complete waste of time, it'll put you right in ZOG's crosshairs and have a file made on you, with the feds ready to pounce the second it looks like it'll be going somewhere or they need a scapegoat for some purpose. 
Hang on a minute. Has this ever actually happened or are we just living in fear of a straw man made powerful in our minds by relentless hollywood TV shows depicting the FBI as omnipotent plus our own right wing priors of paranoia? Or is this just a cope we tell ourselves to justify our inaction?
Will antifa try to dox you? Yeah. But given that we're engaged in a war of extermination, the cost of being identified by the enemy are comparatively light. If roles were reversed and we held power, would shitheads preaching White genocide just lose their jobs?
It's not popular to point this out because everyone revels in being a victim (which is a natural and normal trait that is effectively used to motivate anger), but the nature of the system we are oppressed by precludes the kind of targeted slaughter that more dictatorial regimes would use against us, were we in the USSR or China.

>you risk attracting the feds' attention
Then don't commit federal crimes. Don't accept offers to procure explosives from members. That guy is a fed. Expel him. 
Apart from obvious cases where a fed tricks idiots into saying they want to blow up a federal building on camera, can you think of a single example where "being on the FBI's radar" led to arrests? Look at Patriot Front. They're not hidden. Why haven't they been mass arrested for thought crime?
InB4 >cuz they're all feds! If they weren't feds, they would be arrested. We know this because only fed ops can exist. We know this because if a group weren't feds, they'd be arrested. We know this because only fed ops can exist...

>start recruiting at the local level.
I agree, but I must push back against the paralyzing paranoia that originates from the right wing. Should we espouse our beliefs to friends and family? Yes. But should we live in fear of working with other cells because they might be feds? No. That just leads to a bunch of tiny, powerless cells that never do anything, never talk to anyone, and have zero effect upon our desperate situation.
You say, 
>Start with 3 guys, then expand until you have 300, gradually, through trusted contacts.
Okay, yeah, but then you get another organization. There is no way that you know all 300 guys, so you're going to have to trust people increasingly removed from you. Eventually, someone will make a mistake and a fed will slip in. OH NO!!!! NOW WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE!!!!!
Except, wait, no. No you won't. Don't agree to blow up federal buildings. What's he going to arrest you for? Racism? That's not illegal yet. If it ever does become illegal, what would you rather:
A
>Enlightened Whites are totally disconnected in tiny cells with no experience doing anything at all, no connections with other cells, but technically (probably not though) not known to the feds
B
>Enlightened Whites are organized with numbers to back our ideals, but the feds know about us.

>operating in small, self-sufficient and expendable cells is the way to go
Doing... what?
AFAIS, they're not doing anything. Patriot Front is doing things. The smaller the group, the more likely they end up doing nothing. This is a tried and true law of insurgencies. Look at the Cornish Liberation Army. It was, at the very most, 12 guys imo. I suspect it was more like 3. What did they accomplish? Nothing, really.
Folks on chans have this notion that a cell of 3 guys will be comprised of 200 IQ super-soldiers who are as fit as the marines on TV shows with infinite resources, no jobs, and expert knowledge of chemistry, physics, and math. If that were the case, it would work. But if you look at actual conflicts, insurgents tend to be average working class males with jobs, often times not having families interestingly, and only a small percentage could be classified as the 200 IQ super-soldiers. Those men comprise the leadership of of much larger organisms. They are usually relatively well known to the authorities and operate in hiding, the bread and butter of the insurgents are anonymous working class guys of moderately high but not genius intellect.
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>>6804
If things get so bad that White people cannot even gather in groups larger than 3, things are so royally fucked that we'll either be in the most optimal conditions for a revolution or all hope is lost because it'd be too late to form those conditions.

>>6712
This is correct in its entirety. 
The great irony of our time is that the positions which we hold, more or less, are the historic norm for all people, White or not, for all of history. Ethnocentrism, pro-family, pro-tradition. All traits which describe every normal person throughout time. Indeed, if you really talk to people today, even more Americans and US citizens hold these views. Niggers, kikes, spics, obviously do (well, niggers aren't into families but that's just their African nature) but even White people intrinsically value their race, their family, and what remains of our traditions.

The trouble lies in how these organic positions are ruthlessly attacked when expressed honestly. So they need to be couched with grotesque euphemisms or denied in public.
>>6817
>Patriot Front is doing things.
Such as?
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>>6817
>They're not hidden. Why haven't they been mass arrested for thought crime?
>InB4 >cuz they're all feds! If they weren't feds, they would be arrested. We know this because only fed ops can exist. We know this because if a group weren't feds, they'd be arrested. We know this because only fed ops can exist...
Unfortunately it's a logical conclusion. Maintaining an effective honey pot, controlling the opposition or resistance, or at least having fingers in the pie (not that pie) is obviously very useful.
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>>7211
Disseminating propaganda, marching, and doing charity work. This is just like Golden Dawn. However, they will likely never grow into a political force large enough to undertake serious political action because everyone is too chicken shit to join. 
We're all just LARPing on the internet.

>>7220
>It's a honeypot
Do to what? Trick White men into actually doing things besides bitching on 4chan? Oh horrid. The jews fear White boys who bitch online.
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>>7243
you’re both wrong

of course it’s not a fucking honeypot. It’s literally just Generation Identity cowards but much Americana, such fascism.
Oh, if there’s anything the feds fear more than 4chan losers, the ones that are such smart boys they keep dismantling their carefully constructed conspiracies, it’s… gulp… 4chan users that MARCH!!!!
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>>7249
You seem to be under the impression that organized White men are not a threat to the regime.
If that were so, how do you explain Hitler who MARCHED?
Was he a retard?
He didn't live in a time where there was a camera on every street and every corner, facial recognition software with attached databases and entire intelligence agencies (now with artificial intelligence algorithms) monitoring all communications in real time. The main thing you accomplish by going on marches and protests is making  a target of yourself and helping the authorities make dossiers on all possible bad goyim involved. The old playbook doesn't work nowadays, so it's necessary to change tactics.
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>>7255
to clarify:
Patriot front doesn’t march up to niggers and lynch them. It doesn’t march for anything over than vain purposes. It has convoluted, esoteric, ugly aesthetics, and is for “patriotism” in a state where the pigs or their minions would gleefully beat one of their lads to death if they knew they could get away with it.
They could never be a threat to the System, BECAUSE THEY DON’T EVEN INTEND TO. They just want to crank back the hands on ol’ Billy’s clock and attend da church in a white ethnostate that appeared out of nowhere. 
Literally all they’ve “achieved” in real life except shitting out of their printers pages of masturbatory, senseless, nostalgist “propaganda” for leftists to giggle at and then throw, damp and torn, into the tax-funded Bauhaus park bin are clown shows.

This is a carbon copy of every single movementarian movement for more than fifty years ever since the ANP fell. It will never achieve ANYTHING.
Tell me. What are they organised for other than to be heckled at by common folk, and to marginalise themselves with their tasteless macho marches?
Yes, Hitler MARCHED. Hitler MARCHED to prove how POWERFUL, and LARGE, the SA (at first, when marches weren’t as ceremonial) which EXISTED FOR PURPOSES OTHER THAN MARCHING FUCKING HELL AS A WING OF THE REAL MOVEMENT WHICH HAD REAL IDEALS AND SCORNED VAGUE REACTIONARY LOSERS, and WAS ARMED TO THE TEETH, ready to SMASH COMMUNIST AGITATORS’ SKULLS IN. Considering the state of these homosexual little fairs, how does Hitler’s marches have anything to do with them?

Even if none of this were the case, Hitler existed at a time so different it’s insane and senseless to try and use his strategies. If you disagree you’re a nostalgist Hollywood Nazi bum.
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>>7256
I agree on most points. Marching is useless because either the movement you joined is useless/a pressure valve and achieves nothing of consequence, or it's a fed honeypot to get the names and adresses of dissidents, or (if it's for real) you get your face out there for the authorities to identify the second they get the feeling you'll be a threat, when they're not just looking for a scapegoat. I honestly believe any real stride forward must be made in clandestinity, at least until the state surveilance apparatus has been destroyed/significantly weakened.
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>>7259
Add to that the risk of getting attacked by Antifa cocksuckers while the pigs stand back and watch without lifting a finger (at least until you strike back). Whether you manage to drive them off or even steamroll them in a fight is useless, because you're handing the authorities the perfect excuse to lock you up and make a file on you, justify further surveilance of your person, confiscate weapons or financial assets, etc. To reiterate, going out in public and putting on a show is just a ton of risk for negligible gain. It's better to fly under the radar and take clandestine action.
>go for a march / protest
>media seethes and dilates, broadcasts your existence and message far and wide
>you gain more members
>pretty soon you have enough manpower to seriously disrupt things, not just on a local but state / federal level
>see step 2
>eventually reach critical mass and take over the government during a time of crisis

I'm not saying this is a perfect plan, but it seems pretty sound to me, and clearly what orgs like Aussie NSN and now Patriot Front are going for.

I will admit, I used to think Rousseau was a retard but it seems like he's learned to talk like a normal person at least. Time will tell whether his org is able to get over that 1-200 member hump and actually make a difference. If not, I don't see anyone else building a viable mass movement in America. All we have are Orania-type projects like AFA
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>>7262
I forgot to add
>get fit
>embed yourself in the community
without those steps any vanguard will be easily crushed
but it seems like both of the orgs I mentioned are focusing on those things
with Patriot Front it's active club-style physical training coupled with disaster / homeless outreach. Remember, the homelessness rate in the US right now is the highest in recorded history. I'm a shut-in and even I know a guy who recently ended up on the streets

With NSN they don't go for the homeless outreach, but they do train heavily and protest whenever something that's bound to piss off Australian normies happens. Joel Davis recently got arrested for flying a banner "Jews hate freedom" cause the Jews were trying to pass anti-free speech legislation. Their goal in particular seems to be Sun Tzu's forcing your opponent to defend and indefensible position
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>>7262
The difference with NSN is they are doing the parallel organization method of having one as the activism/public group and the other as a private club for building relationships and wealth. That is a smart move in my opinion.
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>>7264
NSN is alright, I don’t fully understand what it’s trying to do with some of its strange publicity stunts, but I appreciate it because it is attempting to build a real organisation unlike Patriot Front.
If NSN develops a third axis, clandestine axis, Organisation axis, guerrilla axis, on top of its growing popularity, at a point, then things could get seriously interesting.

A final thing I greatly appreciate is their uncompromising hardlinerism and that brunette lad that talks at the camera in (very tastefully made, very appealing to their target audience) 9:16 videos can even be funny.
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>>7265
>Third axis
Will almost certainly be needed the instant they can get away with it.
>uncompromising hardlinerism
It is absolutely refreshing to hear a fairly popular group unashamedly own the argument that Hitler was the good guy.
>lad that talks at the camera in 9:16 videos
Jacob Hersant?
Different but nonetheless relevant kind of question. What steps can you take to flush out fed plants and potential informants? Unlike in the Turner Diaries we don't have a magical truth serum on our side to screen potential recruits.
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>>7265
Their stated goal is to "heighten the contradictions." Hegelian / Marxist lingo, but basically they're trying to force our enemies (the media, politicians etc.) to openly admit their desire for white disempowerment and genocide, forcing white cuckservatives to pick a side. So far, I feel like they're doing a decent job. Certainly better than PF, although I wouldn't go so far as to say Rousseau isn't running a "real org."

And yes, Hersant is secretly their greatest weapon. Joel has the production value down. Blair reaches the zoom zooms via tiktok. And Tom is the no-nonsense active club organizer. But Hersant is the young avatar of the white ozzie spirit in comparison
>>7255
Yet they didn't hide. There were spies in the streets and the communists knew their faces. But the main difference is that they also had number tied to a political party that didn't munch its words. So there was might in words and deeds. This is why a political party remains useful and must be exploited as much as possible, to attract comrades. Now you can also try to build a cult, a church, whatever. We need numbers and guns, it's as simple as that.

Patriotism is total shit btw. Any nigger can be a patriot and stand under a banner.
Nationalism doesn't cut it when the definition of a nation allows for civic nationalism to exist.
National Soclalism was fine in a White country like Germany. We're not 1930 Germany.
Make the White people, i.e. the race, the most important aspect of your message.
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>>7262
>>7263
They're fine in themselves but we need family friendly organizations too, stuff that actually looks normal enough so that more people can get it. Once they're in, we'll filter the weaker and redirect the most radical towards the core. Member of a political party need to be able to carry very easily, with them, the basics of our racial doctrine and our hopeful vision, so they can take it back with them in their homes. There, the wives will follow.

The entire skillful art we require now is to find a fine blend and strike a perfect balance between more radical positions and mainstream optics. Work on that fellas.
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>>7256
>Because PF doesn't march up to and lynch niggers, they are retarded
Anon...
That is retarded. Be serious.
>I DON'T LIKE HOW THEY DRESS!!!
What a lame, weak critique. 
>They shouldn't call themselves patriots!
The founders of America were called patriots and calling themselves patriots is a great idea. Furthermore, they stress that true patriots are loyal to their people, not to the state.
These are among the weakest critiques of PF I have seen so far.

>They could never be a threat to the System
If organized White men are not capable of threatening the system, then the system is invincible. 
>Distributing pro-White propaganda is bad because leftists laugh at you
This is patently insane. And why do you care what leftists think? I care what sane White men think. Between worrying over what your enemies think and fretting over "ugly clothes" you sound like a woman. The only consideration that should be taken is how to reach and organize sane White men.

>Trying to organize White men has been tried for decades and we have still not overthrown the US government. Therefore we should give up trying and do something else.
1. You never offer an alternative. So your critique may be dismissed.
2. Clearly we need to redouble our efforts. There is no way to defeat the enemy by remaining terminally online. The path to survival is in the streets in real life.
Your retort, if it is even anything more than blind rage and personal insults (notice that I only insult your ideas rather than engage in childish personal attacks), will be something like
>Let's just build super secret terrorist cells and wait for the opportunity to conduct small acts of terrorism that somehow bring down the regime like in a movie.
But that has also been tried for decades and is being tried today. These terrorist cells never do anything. They just wait and grow old and sometimes get arrested for being retarded. 
Anyone who talks about super secret terror cells is not a serious revolutionary, he is a LARPer. Serious politics is about organizing White men into a political force, just like jews, just like niggers. If niggers can do it, White men can do it.
>B-but we'll all get arrested!
Firstly, no. That's patently false.
Secondly, so the fuck what? If you're willing to die for your race, getting arrested for jaywalking is not a problem. If you're unwilling to risk spending a weekend in jail, you're never going to risk getting shot for your race.
So any talk about terrorism is childish role play.

>HITLER DIDN'T JUST MARCH!!!! I'LL BET YOU DIDN'TTHINK OF THAT!!!!!
Yes I did think of that. Patriot Front also exists for reasons other than marching.

That's pretty fucking obvious, dude. Pay attention.
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>>7276
Then don't allow anti-Whites and civic nationalists to define patriotism and nationalism.
Patriotism = defending your people from oppression.
Nationalism = loving your race. Putting your people before profit.
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>>7269
Caveat: I have never led an insurgent organization so everything I say is conjecture. 
However, I have studied leftist infiltration stories and also various armed insurgencies (mostly Northern Ireland but also Spain & Corsica)
1. In the present American context, anyone in your organization that joins and, within a few weeks, starts dropping hints about violence, bombs, kidnappings, illegal weapons, etc, that guy is a fed. Either a fed or a clownish idiot. Get him out of your organization immediately or, if the leadership refuses to take action, leave.
2. New members who display an unusual curiosity about your membership. This man may be a fed or is possibly a leftist trying to dox people. It may be friendliness, but if your gut tells you he is gathering intel, it may be best to remove him from the organization.
3. People who behave like leftist stereotypes of racists. Leftists know exactly what racists are like: We hate niggers because of their skin color, throw salutes every 10 minutes, are in it for the hate (especially of niggers), and if they do mention jews, don't seem to understand WHY we don't like jews (usually offering religious explanations)
Namely, if someone is behaving like a hollywood stereotype and cannot articulate why they are a White nationalist, they may be putting on an act. Or they may be dumb and shallow. People who hate jews just because they hate jews are likely doing it for attention and are not ideologically motivated enough to engage in serious actions. They tend to shift from one ideological "extreme" to another. That said, they may be open to learning WHY they should hate jews.
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>>7281
>people before profit
wordington nationalism
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>>7277
national alliance
we fucking needed national alliance god fucking damnit pierce why didn’t you organise a successor when you were diagnosed with cancer
you’re literally describing national alliance word for word
word for fucking word
“I’m going to kill myself every day for the rest of my life”
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>>7280
the whole idea is that normal people cringe at them, and then leftists laugh at them. Obviously I couldn’t care less what leftists think they should all be shot on sight, but when they’re able to just giggle in your face because of how silly you are maybe it’s your fault.

>notice that I only insult your ideas rather than engage in childish personal attacks
<That's pretty fucking obvious
<What a lame, weak critique.
<That is retarded.
<you sound like a woman.
<This is patently insane

dude, well organised white men are on my fucking sweaty ballsack. I’m going to defeat the Jews with my well organised pubes. I’m going to show all those terrortroons that real white men organise for the purpose of vanity and not direct action.
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>>7288
Okay. I claim that phrase for White people. Now what?
People before profit, Heil Hitler.

>>7291
Apart from commiting acts of terror which they and we in general are not ready for, what should they be doing instead?

>>I only insult your ideas rather than engage
>lists attacks on your ideas
Yes?
>Starts talking about his ballsack.
Clearly you are an intellectual. Forgive me, but I'd rather discuss strategy and serous proposals to save my race. You can discuss your ballsack, your anus, and your poop on /b/
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>>6638
This, we need to create a network or irl instutions that would fractionally build real connections and networking
>>6165
Nice story but there were traitors very close to Hermann IIRC. More likely, the Romans had underestimated the cohesion of the opposite forces to the point of thinking that a regular legion would do the job and they'd be home before supper.
The message didn't need to be heard by everyone either. I suppose that to a large extent, the idea was kept on a need to know basis and only the upper rudders knew about it in full detail. The legitimate authority of the common lords did the rest. Of course it could have not happened if the Germans at large had not been resentful of the Roman Empire.
You also ignore the fact that the Roman Empire didn't have modern spying systems and its borders were clearly delineated. Most of the rebellion was fomented on the other side of the Rhine, not in the smack middle of the Lazio.
Other revolts could only happen because local elites moved the populations. It's never the commoners who achieve anything on their own, even less decide of anything, even if conditions vary. The Basques for example have for long been an isolated people living for the most part in hard to reach areas and could use their own language, even if in this case many of them only spoke either French or Spanish. The Basque rebellion didn't go very far either, they were infiltrated with communists and the independence they acquired was perfectly in line with the new segmentation wished by the European Union that is in the process of dissolving the nations for smaller state-like regions, all administrated then by a centralized power in Brussels.
In other words, the only way a resistance can be mounted is by strengthening and gathering our resources in predominantly White areas and then Whiten them even more by use of means which the police forces will be powerless against. Our governments are morally and financially bankrupt, the police cannot be everywhere at all time. Keeping an eye on their movements while having spies close to ZOG telling us that special agents are sent undercover to infiltrate us is definitely the way to reclaim power.
At some point, would this entire methodology prove successful, we would observe the rise of calmer and moderate leaders who would try to convince us that we won, that we gained enough power and that we shouldn't try to bite a piece too large for our stomach. These people would need to be pushed aside or eliminated.
Likewise, as much as we would increase our power over areas we would control, and knowing full well that we would be targeted by arsonists, we would need to be equally amiable with our enemies and ruin System assets.
Anything from sabotaged depots, bridges, railways, crop fields and power nodes would deplete the territorial reserves and money and increase the tensions and violence. Soon enough, Whites would be forced to accept living in System territory or regroup and accept our strict rules, although they would be implied, never written, all following the sound principle of racial territorial segregation.
If ZOG starts to shoot niggers, pajeets, tacos and slimes, it will totally abandon any appearance of authority in their eyes and will give free reign to gangs to create complete lawless zones that will fall apart since anything from copper wires to food depots will be looted and the infrastructure will be impossible to maintain. Few Whites will stay there. That is not something ZOG can really afford because the only way to exterminate Whites is to keep control over their minds and money. The moment Whites can do what they truly need and want, and we are the ones deciding what is right or not, is the day when the power balance is broken and slides our way. Once we're there, we do everything to increase our power and destroy our enemies. Game Over for the Jews, no remorse, no pity. That's why I don't see the System endangering its own feeble grip on our nations, quite the contrary. Everything is done to convince Whites that it's still fine overall, that it could be worse, and that we should keep faith in our institutions which can be eventually repaired so we can rewind them by a few decades to when things were better.
A good way to silence the potential snitches is fear of reprisal by using examples. Cops protecting a migrant center? Well, there goes up in flames another cop car somewhere. A mayor sucking Jewish cock or a teacher promoting feminism, homosexuality, transsexuality, pedophilia or even bestiality. That individual will be found to have decided to stay in bed and enjoy a verrry long sleep. A home estate agency is known to shove skrealings in our White neighborhood? Oh, so many ways to send them a memo about how it would be better for their long term business to stop doing this, if they want to keep their job and their pulse. Meanwhile our real local politicians will have to keep arguing in favor of Whites and insist on organizing a backflow of migrants from our areas, no matter how long the migrants have been living there. They will deny having any link to the faceless radicals who pacify the area in very subtle yet efficient ways.
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>>7293

WHITES BEFORE PROFIT
 
 
There you go.
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>>7290
Too focused on politics they were, instead of trying to build a whole business network starting with local banks that would have brought much needed finances to our side. In the banks, don't practice usury towards Whites but provide options to invest money in White businesses. At the same time, propose national magazines in the wait room and tie entire loan formulae to White ventures and said magazines. Like pay a bit more here, get some protection and bonuses and receive every week or month issue # of this or that magazine in mail or on the phone.
Get local printers ready to go brrr. Have magazines for kids, for wives, for workers, for investors, for army guys, etc. Network and crisscross all of this through the banks, link all of it to local businesses, disseminate the content in said businesses, have stands in the street to give the material to people, easy to read and carry around. Few, solid and clear points on flyers, with ways to learn more or get a subscription. Eventually shove in reformulations of ideas found in Klassen, Pierce and Lane's works. Soften them a bit if needed.
Don't hesitate to produce beautiful and appealing propaganda art, all time White, both retro, actual and futuristic (without being cheesy), the kind that will be displayed on websites, in the pages of the magazines and behind the glasses of some of these businesses, on the side of trucks, at the back of taxi cabs, in restaurants, etc. Get people used to be surrounded by White material, to feel pro-White, proud and safe, and then to crave that feeling like White soma even more to the point of wanting to share it with others.
Progressively produce nice pro-White entertainment content and games. No need to be Minecraft radical, don't go there, but simply natural stuff like White people living in a White world attacked by enemies, organizing a communal village, solving a crime by following Aryan values, having a White knight saving a princess too since that kind of stuff is every bit as banal to us as it is edgy to others and makes our enemies get mald 24/7.
Also build lawyer networks, that is very important, and push it as far as they can begin lobbying. Meanwhile at your local level try to organize community events for everyone or sometimes for specific audiences, like sports, cooking, house building, etc. Make it fun.
Always share and spread pro-White propaganda while not making it too aggressive. Avoid the slurs and always be positive. Don't say gas the kikes and Hitler did nothing wrong, say we Whites we need White lands and White laws for ourselves. The general approach must be soft yet firm, agreeable enough to attract people, stiff in the message that's preached.
Recruit more and more people to do the work. Have kids earn a few cents to do some menial yet constructive work. Carry around the propaganda, then have snacks and have games.
Make sure that the shooting & training centers are in our hands. They are in themselves virtual depots for copious volumes of firearms and the ZOG is obviously doing everything possible to destroy them legally. Press against that and make sure that if one of those centers were to be closed, all the weapons would be sold at a bargain to our people and the rest would strangely "vanish".
Last but not least, create secret societies, cabals, mafias. Not the shitty drug-producing kind, the the secretive kind that will screen any White person who could reach any seat of power in any type of organization central to our power and making sure that this person's interests and views totally align with ours. Oaths will be mandatory. Oaths are important within the confines of these groups. Also learn to filter all the degenerates who will try to inject all sorts of filth. Eject Crowleyites and Satanists. Beware of people way too obsessed with Jewish mysticism to the point of thinking we need it because they'll try to rebuild a Freemasonry and we simply can't have that.
>>7280
>patriots
The word has a lot of power and it appeals to lots of people but David Lane explained very well why it was not suited for our struggle. America right now, the ZOG, the System, the kikes and degenerates, all of this is a problem. Yet to most people, being a patriot means that one way or another, that White-murdering machine is somehow still good. In fact, for some reasons borderline esoteric, Lane went as far as to say that America was a Beast that had to be killed. You cannot be a patriot for that, especially not for the American flag.
Changing the name of an organization isn't very difficult either.
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>>7572
> there were traitors very close to Hermann IIRC
I have not read this. Technically, he was betrayed in the end but not by Romans. Just by Germans who viewed him as a threat.

>The message didn't need to be heard by everyone either. I suppose that to a large extent, the idea was kept on a need to know basis 
That's simply not possible. As I explained, German society was not like a Paradox strategy game. In order to get anything to happen, you'd have to convince thousands of people to support your leadership in moots, councils, and assemblies. 

I do, however, agree with your military analysis. 

>>7573
What's the difference?

>>7575
>To most people, patriotism is ZOG worship
I refuse to surrender that word to the enemy.
Furthermore, while denouncing the regime as anti-American/anti-White is one thing, outright declaring that we are anti-American is too far. It hands easy ammunition to the enemy. It's best to explain that American = White & to point out that the globalists are the anti-Americans.
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In addition to Rome, I also often think about insurgencies against western governments. The chief ongoing one is the Corsican insurgency against France, primarily the FLNC.
Recently (a year and a half ago) the Macron regime agreed to grant them autonomy after decades of terrorism. Yet he has not done a thing to deliver this promise. In response, the FLNC has re-emerged from the woodwork and conducted several bombing and arson attacks. They also threatened to retaliate against Muslims if they conducted attacks on Corsica, as well as have been making very based statements such as "Jews out, French out."
This latter action may get them in serious trouble as the regime in Paris will tolerate killing Frenchmen and even Muslims, but not jews. 

The FLNC is dealing with problems which face us, on a small scale. Corsicans are a small ethnos, numbering only a few hundred thousand. And recent immigration to Corsica (both French and foreign) is further depleting their numbers and, worse, reducing their ability to win elections in their own homeland.
Like us, they also face a brain drain as young Corsicans often leave the island to get mentally fucked and modernized in Paris. Once they lose their culture, it's tough to get it back again and the old people are dying.
In some ways their situation is even worse than ours due to their small base numbers. To be completely honest, I do not foresee a good end for the Corsican people unless they achieve independence soon.

The issue which keeps me up at night is this: The FLNC has attacked infrastructure, politicians, and tourist villas. They have conducted attacks on soft targets and hard ones. They have conducted attacks in their homeland and even in Paris. They have even attacked gasp banks.
Yet they are not independent, nor are they doing particularly well. They are not poised to drive the FROG (French Republic Occupation Government) out of Corsica. Worse, thanks to immigration, they probably couldn't even win a fair election for autonomy, which is why it is stupid for Macron not to just grant a referendum. 
>The language of our ancestors is dying. Our way of living, without a revolt, will disappear. ~Corsican nationalist song

So what are they doing wrong? 
I am still of the firm belief that basic math will force a regime to disengage from an occupation. Simply put: If the cost of occupying Corsica is more expensive than the net revenue + the monetary value for the shame of losing a core region, the regime would abandon the department. 
This seems to hold true for Northern Ireland. The UK regime caved to most Irish demands once they started targeting banks. Had the PIRA shown a little bit more backbone, they might have gotten more. Or maybe they would have been crushed by the post 9/11 anti-terrorist crusade. 
It's true that the FLNC did target banks. But they did not do so with the same ferocity as the PIRA. Their damage totaled in the tens of millions, not billions. Their bombs were teeny-tiny. 
Another issue is manpower. What percentage of the Corsican population supports the insurgency?
I have no idea, but given some random, subjective information, I would estimate it is very low.
Why is it low?
Well, the standard of living is still relatively high and "violence is le baad" seems to be the primary culprits.

What's the logical way forward? The Corsicans are in a healthier state of mind than the average American; they are still capable of violence and, more importantly, supporting violence. I was watching a documentary about the recent protests over the assassination of Colonna and a Corsican politician openly stated that he supported the violent protesters. How many cuckservative zombies can say the same? They won't even defend violence against abortion clinics. And in doing research for this effort post, I came across several interviews of Corsicans who pointed out that they achieved more through violence than through peaceful politics. Yet it is undeniable that 30 years of low intensity violence have failed to achieve anything approaching what we need to achieve. 

This sort of thing really keeps me up at night. If they failed, how will we succeed? 

Incidentally, I tried to search what each department's tax revenue was and, in typical French fashion, there is no fucking data. The French government functions like an African shithole country where all data is horded by the dictator and his family. For fuck sake, France, why do you keep all data secret? And how the fuck do the French people put up with a regime that refuses to make its own tax revenue earnings public information? Even Russia isn't this corrupt.
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>>7597
>30 years of low intensity violence have failed to achieve anything
At the risk of sounding like a complete retard, maybe they need to employ medium-intensity violence. Of course the manpower problem still presents itself. It sounds like they are losing their identity among the youth.
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>>7597
Ah, confound it. I forgot to post the funni video and pictures.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-onYOjZXK9U

>>7600
I'm of a mind to agree with you.
It's tough, speaking neither French nor Corsican, to get a real handle on the support for violence among Corsican youth. On the one hand, I have read a lot of articles by hand-wringing, whiny modern fuckheads who claim that violence isn't the way because the youth don't support it, and it's bad for business, and oh doesn't it just seem so wroong?
I actually want to beat these people to death. But are they right? My experience is mostly with cuckservatives and American shitlibs. Shitlibs love violence, but the cuckservatives will sell you to the cops for free if you even say you support it, which isn't a crime.
On the other hand, could they sustain such a level of violence? The issue with modern insurgencies is the surveillance state and, apparently, the guy Colonna who assassinated a French governor was tagged by informants within the FLNC. Which sucks.
Maybe they need to clean house before they initiate more attacks. But again, this presents problems. They cannot afford to lose even a single true patriot. Yet they cannot afford to miss one traitor.
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>>7602
>violence isn't the way because the youth don't support it, and it's bad for business
Kek. -berg -witz -stein -baum
>cuckservatives will sell you to the cops
The nationalist youth are much more supportive of violence. Infinitely more than cuckservative boomers and maybe even surpassing antifa faggots, though it is close.
>The issue with modern insurgencies is the surveillance state
Absolutely. It is the greatest threat to action for all of us.
>They cannot afford to lose even a single true patriot. Yet they cannot afford to miss one traitor.
As you say, It is shitty because they've done almost everything right according to the playbook. There is no easy answer. If manpower were less of a problem, as in if recruitment were as easy as with the dunecoons (where every Palestinian male over the age of 12 will kill a jew given half the chance) then I would say they should damn the risks and proceed with operations knowing they will lose a certain percentage due to informants. When numbers are hard to replace, they are between a rock and a hard place.
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>>7602
>who claim that violence isn't the way because the youth don't support it
who the hell believes the youth don't support violence?
>I actually want to beat these people to death. But are they right? My experience is mostly with cuckservatives and American shitlibs. Shitlibs love violence, but the cuckservatives will sell you to the cops for free if you even say you support it, which isn't a crime.
cuckservatives have the brunt of assasination coming their way. Traitors!
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>>7603
>where every Palestinian male over the age of 12 will kill a jew given half the chance
The problem of White passivity is racial, arabs possessing partial african ancestry makes them perfectly motivated and mentally suited for warfare. It is in their blood, have you not noticed the africans or their mutt children are more violent than the other races, often in the expense of their own lives. Even when put in peaceful communities, their blood commands them to wage war, either against the other races or eachother. The only way Whites can ever overpower the kikes is by mixing their blood with the niggers(just like the arabs did), otherwise there is no hope and whites will be wiped out.

<But muh IQ
Despite the High White IQ, the cunning kikes managed to take control of both White homelands and the White psyche. Abbos, Nigs or their mutt offsprings(arabs), do not have the problem of Kike propaganda(low iq). They just durka durka and Nig Nog.
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>>7603
>if recruitment were as easy as with the dunecoons (where every Palestinian male over the age of 12 will kill a jew given half the chance) then I would say they should damn the risks
100% on the spot. Shitskins have it easy since they're already deeply ethnocentric and, despite everything ZOG has done for them, they hate it. Well, Palestinians at least have good cause to hate it. 
Corsicans are blessed with ethnocentrism, maybe not quite on the level of jews or Palestinians, but still above the average American. Does this translate into the kind of recruitment which they would need to go on a purge for a couple years? I am not sure. 
The other issue is morale. It's a moral blow to go on a purge, even if it's healthy. I'd recommend to them that they spend 5 years infiltrating the police and, cliche as it sounds, training in Russia. Allegedly, some Corsicans are already in the Donbass for training. I think that's not the right place for them. They shouldn't leave Moscow except to practice shooting & making IEDs. They should spend the next few years training how to counteract the police state. 

>>7606
>who the hell believes the youth don't support violence?
A bunch of random journalists. Unfortunately, I have no direct contact with Corsican youth & even if I did, if they were smart, they'd avoid the subject until they could trust me, which is never on the internet.
https://youtu.be/8vm51sR4tRY

>>7609
I'm not saying that you're wrong, but I hate this line of reasoning. We've also waged war for millennia and are undeniably better at it than Arabs. The issue is not our willingness to fight (Retard rednecks pride themselves on dying for Israel), the issue is a weird mental inability to resist government. This strange mental barrier only exists in Germanic populations. Even the French have the inclination to behead their government officials on occasion, but it's not nearly as well developed as other branches of the Aryan-European tree.
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>>7583
>That's simply not possible. As I explained, German society was not like a Paradox strategy game. In order to get anything to happen, you'd have to convince thousands of people to support your leadership in moots, councils, and assemblies. 
Not at first. It's only when closing to the date Day of the Axe that I believe people were gathered and told what was going to happen.
Think for a moment please, the whole attack in the Teutoburg forest was a clever trap set up at a natural bottleneck. It could only succeed if no one, not a single soul, spilled even just one bean one way or another about the move, the place, the warriors gathered there and their intent.
Remember the Spartans at the battle of Thermopylae. They held their ground despite their numbers and Xerxes' army could not pass through the bottleneck, until according to the records a peasant betrayed them, a single cupid man named Ephialtes, some kind of Greek Judas, by providing knowledge about a unique path to go all around the range and attack the Spartans from two sides at once. It's doubtful the Spartans could have held many more days unless they got help, but the point stands. I think something similar happened with Spartacus' rebellion.
Back to Hermann, would only one detail get out of the entire conspiracy it would be over. It was simply unacceptable to take the risk of having the plan be known by too many people too soon.
I think you also greatly underestimate the respect people have in noble and legitimate leaders to the point of following them almost blindly into death. Likewise you seem to ignore the power of oaths, especially in such remote ages when beliefs were so different and when blood honor really meant something to these people.
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A hypothetical recruitment scheme I've been thinking about, please give me your feedback.

>join or start a community service volunteer group/gun club/both (may be two separate organizations but the recruitment pool is the same)
>of the above, handpick the fittest (both physically and mentally) and most redpilled members to recruit for a neighborhood watch
>of the above, pick the best (same criteria) members to start a clandestine vigilante group
>of the above, pick only the very best and most loyal to properly induct into the pro-White resistance organization

Massively simplified, but the idea is to have a tiered process of recruitment where each member is assigned based on their capabilities and level of redpilling. Obviously all this would be without their knowledge, they would only find out about the next tier down after being recruited for it, following extensive screening and whatnot. Meanwhile the members on the upper tiers are kept in blissful ignorance. Just like a mystery cult. Secrecy is preserved and so is ideological consistency, as well as ensuring only the best and brightest are in the real fight.
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>>7597
The way I can tell is that the French government is on a Holy Mission to brownify as many areas under its control as possible. Any White enclave must be submerged, therefore you shouldn't count on the nigger lovers to relinquish control over anything really.
You also said something which might sound logical but which doesn't meet with reality;
>I am still of the firm belief that basic math will force a regime to disengage from an occupation. Simply put: If the cost of occupying Corsica is more expensive than the net revenue + the monetary value for the shame of losing a core region, the regime would abandon the department.
Africans have been burning and looting buildings and stores for two decades so far and the successive governments keep paying again and again with Whitey's tax money, as the Jews want to keep this biological and demographic weapon under their control to exploit it against the Whites. Even an economical failure would likely not deter them from continuing spending money to buy national peace within the French borders. Or at least I should say that's the way I see it form afar but I could be wrong. With the Jews the frontiers of logic are significantly shifted and moved to places that are truly astounding.
>Well, the standard of living is still relatively high and "violence is le baad" seems to be the primary culprits.
I figure that like anywhere in a relatively peaceful and still comfy situation, tThe people and especially the young ones are relatively happy, I presume, with the current state of affairs: they still can experience most of their culture and even use their language. Tourism is also very good for the island and a full on civil war would ruin all of that so you bet most of the people are against kicking the nest.
>I came across several interviews of Corsicans who pointed out that they achieved more through violence than through peaceful politics.
Do you have a couple of them that are translated or at least that come with subtitles beyond the one linked to here >>7602?
>tax data
Do they even translate it into English? I think they have that bizarre thing with their colonies and special administrative status, right? They have kept a bunch of insular possessions here and there and I have been told that they are for the most part completely nog'd.
In fact, can anyone one give a quick rundown of that country's situation because right now it's nigger central and a absolute blight upon Europe.
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>>7612
>It's only when closing to the date Day of the Axe that I believe people were gathered and told what was going to happen.
Maybe true if we're talking the exact specifics of the plan. Having organized events IRL, I suspect that even Hermann didn't know exactly what his plan was until close to the Day of the Axe.
However, he and his confederates absolutely had to publicly state their desire to revolt against the Romans for at least a year to thousands of people, who would then proselytize this ideal to tens of thousands more.
You go on to say how the ambush had to remain a secret in order to work, and I will elaborate on this further, but you imply that Hermann must have kept the whole plan a secret until the day of the battle. Perhaps you'd cede that maybe a hundred tribal leaders could have been brought into the know and perhaps maybe a week or two in advance.

This is simply not possible. I have experience in military logistics so I will game this battle with you. There is NOTHING more important to victory than logistics:
The Romans had about 20,000 men. How many did the Germans field? No one knows. Some speculate that they must have outnumbered the Romans significantly but I suspect otherwise. We'll say that the numbers were even. That's 20,000 men to feed. Do you have any idea how much food that is? And they're going to need the very best food because they intend to fight for 3 days or more. They are going to need lots of food. AND drinking water. Do you think that they dank out of puddles? Teutoborg Forest isn't particularly rich in rivers. There are a couple small streams but the logistics behind providing drinking water to 20,000 men alone would take hundreds of people at least. And now we're forgetting something: Germans often brought their women to battle to chastise cowards and also to aid in the multitude of logistics tasks as important as porting said water to minor things like helping her husband dress in armor. So now we're feeding/watering 20,000 men + an unknown number of women. We may also add an unknown number of assorted camp followers/non-combatants, which was common to the point of near universality in ancient armies. 
Add to this horses. Hermann was captain of a significant cavalry detachment which 100% defected over to the Germans (since they were all Germans, duh). How many horses did Hermann command? We have no idea but we may presume that it must have been significantly more than 500 since the Roman cavalry which tried to escape the battle (doubtless to nobly get help! You wait here... we'll go get help)were ambushed and "overrun" by the German cavalry. Horses require 100 pounds of more fodder per day to remain functional. Again, this is yet more critical logistics which must have involved hundreds of Germans. Now we must address shelter. The Germans didn't just sleep in the mud. Do you have any idea how much housing you need to shelter 20,000 men? Well, add another 15,000 to 25,000 camp followers, women, prostitutes, slaves, etc. Plus you need shelter for the horses because it rained every single day of the battle. Do you think they built it all on the day of battle? That is simply not possible. This would have involved yet more hundreds, perhaps thousands of men and women in the logistics. You need to prepare firewood (green wood does not burn well), blacksmiths (to repair weapons and armor), and of course, warriors require ale and mead to function properly. Oh and let's not forget that Hermann must have had a plan B. We know from countless examples that Celts built forest fortresses to fall back to when they fought the Romans. It's likely that the Germans had constructed at least one fortified food storage depot. God, I could go on and on painting a picture of how complex the logistics for these ancient battles were. People have this idea that battles occurred in a vacuum and just involved soldiers. But behind the scenes of every battle, tens of thousands of logistics personnel were needed to keep the armies from starving. The idea that the Germans lived in mud huts and had no logistics is absurd when you consider just how difficult it is to feed an army of 20,000 or even more. There was literally a large city's worth of people in that forest waiting to make 20,000 Romans have the worst day of their lives. 

The greater point of all of this is obvious: It is literally impossible for only a small number of men to have been in the know for this operation. Maybe the exact details could have been kept secret up until the final weeks, but if literally no one but Hermann and a few chiefs knew where the battle of their age would take place, the entire army would have starved, then frozen to death before the Romans even arrived.

And once again, forget all of this: Hermann STILL had to convince tens of thousands of Germans to revolt in the first place. And yet not one of them tattled to the Romans.
Well, okay, that's not entirely true. Some undoubtedly did but Varus dismissed these reports as spurious. 
This speaks to the immense ethnic loyalty of the German people.

You say or imply that it's impossible for this to have been kept a secret if so many people were involved. In my OP, I did imply that it is impressive that he achieved this level of surprise. But I also explained that this was not abnormal. In our past, ethnic loyalty was so strong that the thought of ratting on your people just did not seem to occur to most men. Let's imagine that you were a German from the Chatti tribe. What would you do to the guy who ratted on your people? Of course you would strip him naked, break his fingers, blind him, smash his heels with a hammer, burn off his balls with a torch, flay his thigh skin, then drag him behind a horse through dung and sharp rocks before throwing scalding water on his raw muscles and then leaving him to die slowly in the woods. Like, what kind of no-good, rotten, inconsiderate son of a gun would tattle on his neighbors? That's just rude! Rude people deserve to be tortured to the point of near insanity and then allowed to slowly and painfully die so they can think about what not to do next time. And this would be a view that was shared by your entire community. 
It wasn't slavish loyalty to some demi-god king that made this possible. It was loyalty to kin.
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>>7610
>the issue is a weird mental inability to resist government
It's more an inability to resist order.

Other races will wreak havoc if they're merely upset and need no pretext of change they want realized.
Cop kills a nigger -> cops bad, I am angry -> Riot!
Rather than
Cop kills a nigger -> cops bad, I am angry -> Police should instead be [XYZ] -> Riot until we get our way!
Whites on the other hand need a replacement order before they are willing to destroy the old one. This is true of almost all European revolts, for better or worse.
Parliamentary government was popularized before the French Revolution. 
Independent United States was popularized (or at least organized) before the American Revolution.
National Socialism was popularized before Hitler's rise.
Communism was popularized before the overthrow of the Tsar. 
Even in the cases of old Europe where the situation was simply, "Replace king with better king", the replacement had to have a "legitimate" claim to the throne.

for Whites, you need to legitimize your new order with your would-be recruits before you embark on a revolution.
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>>7614
>recruitment scheme 
Oh I get it, it's shaped like a pyramid! A pyramid scheme!

Joking aside, it works well but isn't it obvious?
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>>7616
>Africans are unprofitable, therefore this invalidates your theory.
I admit, a fair counter.
However, I feel it is not wholly applicable. Firstly, Africans are a kind of elite luxury good. They do not even cost the elites money since the money used to support Africans comes from the people. Do you think the elites would tolerate Africans in their neighborhoods and consuming their money? Jews certainly do not.
Secondly, despite the jokes we may crack about niggers and their joblessness, the fact is that even if the majority of them do literally no work at all, enough of them do participate in the labor market to drive down the cost of labor. In other words, this puts pressure upon White men to accept lower wages lest they be replaced by 10 niggers. The economic benefits of niggers is immense. 
It is not just jews who benefit from niggers. Remember that White elites selfishly imported niggers and employed them as miners and farmers specifically to subvert their own race and destroy the ability of White yeomen to earn a living.
From the plantation owners who used sharecrop niggers rather than pay White men a decent wage, to South African Boer miners who used nigger labor rather than pay for White men to live there, our elites have been among the most disgusting, backstabbing, soulless traitors in human history. Worse even than the jews because at least the jews look out for their own. These actual demons helped the jews destroy their own race because they could save 2 fucking cents per day by employing niggers instead of their own people.
And again, let's not forget that all the burning and looting only occurs in White working class neighborhoods, never the gated communities of the rich. The rich suffer none of the effects of niggers and gain all the benefits.

Anyway, I still maintain that if the Corsicans could cause greater monetary loss than the regime gains through taxes and business, (plus the pride-geld that comes from owning Corsica), the Parisian regime would be forced to cede it whatever they wanted to make the explosions go away.

>I presume, with the current state of affairs: they still can experience most of their culture and even use their language
Yeah. The problem they face is the same as the one we face racially, just on a smaller scale. It's comfortable being Corsican. But their high IQ folks know that within a few generations, they will go extinct if nothing is done.

Per the articles, I only can read English (and German) so I only read English articles about the conflict. You're gonna hate me, but I cannot find exactly which articles contain which interviews with random Corsicans who disapproved of the violence. I really do want these interviews to be lies or with extremists who don't value their culture. I'm not Corsican, I just naturally like insurgents. Especially if they blow up banks. Especially if those banks are in Paris. I concur with your analysis of the French regime.
>Do they even translate (their tax data) into English?
Again, I do not know. It could be that there is data but it's only in French. But then, why can I find exact data on the net tax revenue of Bryansk Oblast, but I cannot find such data on any department of France?
Again, France is less open and transparent than fucking Russia. It's absurd.
>>7609
>The problem of White passivity is racial
citation needed
>arabs possessing partial african ancestry 
again citation needed (north african sure, but I highly doubty most palis have subsaharan ansestory) 
>The only way Whites can ever overpower the kikes is by mixing their blood with the niggers
this is a really, really bad idea
You are stupid, probably some sort of shill, but in the off case you aren't I will explain to you why palis actioaully fight very hard, and how White people can do the same. 
The reason they fight so hard is that they have exausted every other option. They have tried reformism (Palestinean Authority) and it failed, and they tried peaceful protests (2018 great march of return) also failed. When every option besides violent resistance is made impossible, and no resistance will lead to certain doom, that is when people will turn to violence. Also the Gazans have been indoctrinated for thirty years with militant nationalist (from their prespective) ideology by a vanguard party (hamas) which makes them more willing to fight. Here is an article that explains it much better than I could. 
https://littoria.substack.com/p/yahya-sinwars-impossible-resolve
The lessons for White Nationalists are pretty simple, have a dedicated vanguard organization that can indoctrinate your people in an ideological foundation for resistance, root out traitors and spies, and be willing to sacrifice everything (including your life) in order to win.
>>7621
>isn't it obvious?
How do you mean?
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>>7624
Do not all organizations of such a nature practice compartmentalization? Maybe I am overestimating how much systematizing goes on in rebel groups.
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>>7614
I support your pro-active thinking.
I'm trying to build a community watch in my area.
I have problems (I live in boomerville) but I must do what I can.

I'd give you the following critique: Think very hard about how things would function in a real world situation. Plan around incompetence and your plan will function much better than if you plan around all 200 IQ super-geniuses.
>>7625
Oh, so we were on the same brainwave after all. Nevermind, I was just overthinking.  In any case, one issue I could see coming up is that I'd be the connecting thread between all groups and so secrecy could be potentially compromised if a member of one tier suspects about the existence of a deeper one and that I might be involved. I could alleviate that issue by recruiting through proxies in the same tier, but that would require already having fully redpilled recruits with me already. Or maybe I'm overthinking again.
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>>7628
I think what you describe has a lot to do with trust. All members of each 'tier' need to trust you. If they understand that any secrecy you practice is for the good of the group, they will not pry to the point of liability.
If they do not trust you, then they as you describe it will cause tension. They may even fear you are a police informant.

How to build that trust is something which cannot be taught but I will say that trust is not the same as abject worship, which is counterproductive. "Trust but verify" is a good principle to instill, I think.
>>7583
>What's the difference?
One is vague and includes all races, the other is not. As simple as that.
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>>7618
>However, he and his confederates absolutely had to publicly state their desire to revolt against the Romans for at least a year to thousands of people, who would then proselytize this ideal to tens of thousands more.
Not really. The assault involved only several thousand warriors extracted from the nearest parts of sort-of-Germany. The equivalent of a village or a very small town. As long as dozens of chieftains would be able to gather one or two hundred men each, you'd get your band of bruder. You don't need to sell your idea down to every single kinder, nor advertise it for a full year. You would need to be careful about whom you can trust and you'd better be sure that your elevator pitch sounds convincing enough too to get that many people ready to face death for legitimate reasons.
>You go on to say how the ambush had to remain a secret in order to work, and I will elaborate on this further, but you imply that Hermann must have kept the whole plan a secret until the day of the battle. 
No, that's no my position. Only that the amount of people who needed to know what would happen in sufficient detail had to be kept low. The less details, the more vague the knowledge about an event that may happen, the more people would hear about something cooking. I suspect things accelerated a lot weeks prior to the event. The Romans also had to be baited so there's definitely a strong chance that some false information was sent their way.
>The Romans had about 20,000 men. How many did the Germans field? No one knows. Some speculate that they must have outnumbered the Romans significantly but I suspect otherwise.
I don't think they needed more. The element of surprise, the attack against the flanks of three large and prestigious legions all stretched thin that prevented them from assembling into their most efficient formations made them far more open to destruction than usual.
>Teutoborg Forest isn't particularly rich in rivers.
The battle literally followed the path of a river.
>logistics
Point noted but there are ways to gather resources for special occasions without again leaking out sensitive information.
You're also blowing the shelter and woman aspect out of proportions in my opinion. They were not setting up a summer camp or a funfare and likely had much more to do with how the Foreign Legion operates: with minimal resources and a lot of makeshift skills. They could use one or two closest villages as regrouping points and places to gather food and other necessary items from other villages branching out in numbers the further away you'd move from the focus of the coming battle. In other words, resources would be funneled towards that region. In fact they might have even used this as a cover? Anything carried beyond that would be temporary and in a large part only used for the battle. Again, all of which would have progressively started forming and concentrating up towards the battle's region, with resources shipped as late as possible. Before that they would merely need to have the leaders ask for a gathering of food resources: the people would not even need to know if there would be a massive peaceful event, and then later one when signs of impeding war would be obvious, they wouldn't need to know that warriors were going to throw themselves into another internecine tribal fight or else. The implicit network that would be the backbone of the aggregated army didn't need to be revealed. Each subgroup only being given information on a need-to-know basis.
They could not set up the equivalent of a temporary town right next to the battle zone either because a concentration of fires and smoke may give off the presence of Hermann's forces, although they'd certainly have considered setting up a smaller camp of some sort at a more secure distance, with Herman's knowledge used to mimic the functionality of the Romans' efficient logistics. But that camp would not need to be anything more than very temporary and probably far less glamorous than the expensive tents used by said Romans.
As for the cavalry, I question how much any of it had been present, that for one simple reason. You may be able to tell a human to remain silent, but not a horse. Even less a hundred horses, even when you use hypothetical harnesses to keep their mouth shut between meals.
>The greater point of all of this is obvious: It is literally impossible for only a small number of men to have been in the know for this operation.
That is because you make the mistake of thinking that a whole new town was exactly installed next to the trap and that every single peasant contributing to wood chopping or the gathering of food had to know what was going on, even months prior to the fateful event, as if a whole nation was building a pristine new stadium. Yet no matter how much we slice and dice this, the assault really depended on the quality of the trap and the secrecy. So all activities that would count as support for the constitution of the army would need to be disguised as "all natural, nothing to see here, keep scrolling."
My argument is that Hermann couldn't afford revealing the existence of the whole network, nor give out its purpose. He really had to keep a tight control on the flow of information and who needed to know what in order to build this adventure up.
On top of this, the German tribes probably also had an advantage contrary to the Gauls being that they had been less affected by Roman culture, and were likely resentful of former defeats that ended with their sons taken away as an obligatory tithe. This too would positively contribute to the secrecy of the operation. Add the language barrier and the high concentration of forestry, making the entire region a rather obscure landscape, like a sponge gorged with water (warriors) which would release its content once pressed only at the last minute so to speak.
>And once again, forget all of this: Hermann STILL had to convince tens of thousands of Germans to revolt in the first place.
This is not necessary for the same reason that grunts don't have to be convinced of anything to obey. They just take their orders and that's it. In this case, the professionalism or a Roman or modern army is traded with the blood-bond, the oaths and a likely hatred for anything Roman.
Imagine yourself being a random tribesman. You saw that your own village started gathering resources to some extent, at least reorganizing some surplus for some untold reason. Your leader wouldn't say anything about until he deems it necessary. Then one day you and your fellow Germans are called and your leader delivers a speech that explains that a complex project had been put into motion that involves several tribes and the population of many villages and that it involves launching an assault on Roman legions in, say, a geographically favorable place. Many thousands of other men (and women to some extent, for logistics) living in those lands have already answered the call (the leader may make use of artistic liberty here to get his men's juices pumped up). This is a historical event, our ancestors and the gods are watching over us blah blah blah. Now all the food, leather and ore gathering makes sense. We're going to war and we will kick some Roman ass and even grab one of their damned precious eagle banners, just to add more reee to their saltiness.
>You say or imply that it's impossible for this to have been kept a secret if so many people were involved.
I state that it's impossible for this to work if the details are shared far too wide, with too many people, far too soon, considering what appears to be a very noticeable frailty to the entire plan if it gets leaked. It's very obvious that the more undercover the entire ops could remain, the better. Some aspects of this battle and her preliminary preparation logically had to be kept under wraps to some extent. By the time it was impossible to hide the full logistics of the operation anymore and so whatever would reach the Romans would be fake information, the most sensitive aspect of the assault, the trap's position, still had to be a late surprise for most men while the Roman thought the battle would take place further East and kept trotting in that direction sure of themselves.
>But I also explained that this was not abnormal. In our past, ethnic loyalty was so strong that the thought of ratting on your people just did not seem to occur to most men.
As I said and proved, it would only take one man knowing enough information. There would have been numerous chieftains and other families who would have genuinely feared reprisals from Rome against their own children taken over there, because that's what Romans would do sometimes to make sure that the vanquished tribes remained loyal. And we know that despite all of Hermann's gained reputation and glory after such an incredible victory, he still got betrayed by people from his own race.
I don't think we will change our minds on this, I believe I have provided enough arguments to substantiate my side of the question. I for one know what I'd have done if I had been in Hermann's shoes.
>Like, what kind of no-good, rotten, inconsiderate son of a gun would tattle on his neighbors?
Have you ever heard of the Stasi's 1% rule?
Again, whether we like it or not, such traitors existed right next to Hermann, temporally speaking.
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>>7620
With more and more people being discontent with democracy and the current batch of leaders, with some many people abstaining from voting, I think the legitimacy of a deep change is definitely growing in people's heart and minds, perhaps more than we think. For now, people may not be ready to topple the current structure but I feel like at the same time they don't really believe there's any usual solution, like voting differently, etc. For sure the ((( medias ))) do everything to keep people thinking that the current institutions are only hurt by bad apples but could be quickly be redeemed. It takes a something else to see beyond this and wish for a complete overhaul.
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>>7640
The only people who matter are White people.
Furthermore, if I can take this nice phrase from the enemy, I would do so.

>>7641
>The assault involved only several thousand warriors extracted from the nearest parts of sort-of-Germany.
You do not have any source on the number of German warriors involved since there are no such sources. While I don't believe that Hermann needed to have outnumbered the Romans by a great deal, it would be extremely unlikely that a "few thousand" could defeat 20,000 Legionaries and Auxillia. 
Most historians agree that his force numbered between 18,000 and 30,000.

>The battle literally followed the path of a river.
Fair point.

You mention the Foreign Legion but that's a modern army. Ancient militaries were nowhere near as professional. Ancient armies and wars were a cross between warfare and festivals with huge camp followings. That's a large part of the reason why Rome and Macedon were so effective: they (tried to) cut out the excess baggage.
Maybe they could have used local villages as base camps, but again, 20,000 men or even 10,000 (which is stretching things) is a huge number to house and feed. The logistics still presents a challenge which would involve hundreds if not thousands of people.
>You may be able to tell a human to remain silent, but not a horse.
An ambush on this scale no longer really needs silence on so small a scale. Cavalry would be absolutely essential for such an engagement so you could send forces around to hot-spots and to cut off elements of the Roman force. Remember, we're still dealing with 20,000 Romans + their own camp following. That's a huge force and unlike in film depictions, the real battle involved dozens if not hundreds of local clashes over the course of miles. Cavalry would be an absolute game changer and if only the Romans had fielded it, they could have won, easily.
You're also making the mistake of presuming that the Roman intelligence gathering apparatus was better than it was. Again, Germans were not interested in talking with Romans. 
I am not saying that every peasant had to know "the plan" in its full detail. However, they did need to know that a revolt was planned and yet the Romans were still taken off guard because the number of traitors was so low.

>This is not necessary for the same reason that grunts don't have to be convinced of anything to obey
German tribal society wasn't a modern military. Most "government", if you could even call it that, was localized. Family networks got everything done. In order to convince the Chatti to revolt, you'd need at the very least to convince a wide ranging council of the tribal nobility. Just how large these bodies were is unknown but given how distributed power was, we can assume it was a wider range than later medieval nobility, which was still a huge number of men. And then these guys would need to give orders to their familial networks. Do you really think they all kept the nature of their preparations a secret from their extended families? I do not buy it.

>Your leader wouldn't say anything about until he deems it necessary.
Except that "my leader" is not just some guy in a vacuum. It's a clan. And unless I'm a slave, I'm probably just a few family members away from being related to that village leader. Again, I do not buy that this sort of thing can be kept a secret. But you know who I wouldn't be closely related to? A Roman. So if I, a distant cousin of the village chief, might tell my second nephew that he'll be earning his shield soon, I sure as hell will not be telling a foreigner and I see no reason why my second nephew would either.
>Some aspects of this battle and her preliminary preparation logically had to be kept under wraps to some extent
I agree with you and do not mean to imply that Hermann went from moot to moot detailing every step of his plan. Instead, I believe that he had to first convince them in broad terms to revolt. You're right that the exact plan could have been put together weeks or months before the ambush. I do not dispute this.
> he still got betrayed by people from his own race.
True, but this is apples vs oranges. It's one thing to defend yourself against foreigners, but another to see a member of your own people exert kingly rule over other tribes which have been independent since time immemorial.
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By several thousands I don't mean a "few thousand", I didn't use such words, but I don't believe in many tens of thousands either to the point of outnumbering the Romans. I can agree to 18-20K troops. On the other hand, the strength of the legions has always been preparation and control of the terrain, notably to organize in precise formations and force the enemy's moves. If you remove this you remove their greatest strength and push them into a situation where they'd have to be dealing with a surprise guerilla warfare for which they were simply not so well trained.
They'd also have to carry around all their stuff into enemy territory while the Germans could collect their resources from various points in and around the forest, which means that what Germans would bring to the very battle site would be warriors only, much less burdened by the implicit convoy necessities afflicting the Romans and eating up a certain amount of men from those ~20,000 people.
>auxiliaries
They are usually already counted among the 20,000. That's logically why the counting from only three legions which would have amounted to 15,000-17,000 soldiers manages with an extra to reach 20,000 men.
>Foreign Legion
For a long time their logistics were rather questionable, decades ago they seldom had any grounded transport vehicles. They were very sturdy walkers. They had resources of course but looked more like a poor man's army in comparison to what other developed armies including the regular French army carried around with them. Which really gives a special meaning to "Legion" in their name because they almost feel anachronistic, like a Roman legion but with guns. For one, they would hardly be able to lay a siege, not only because they didn't have the numbers for that, but because they just didn't have the logistics. But hit and run tactics would have been much more in their book if push came to shove.
I hesitated drawing a comparison to the FARC too, notably because of their habit of operating in forested environments, but they were more like one big gang of thugs with guns spreading like a cancer though many small cells in hard to reach regions.
>the feeding
The German men who fought were commoners. They already had their usual means of nutrition, they didn't need anything special that would suddenly pop out of nowhere and look suspicious. Obviously by not being a long standing regular army, Hermann's forces had to cannibalize to a certain extent their own normal resources and tap into their yearly reserves. But I hardly see how that would have required them to suddenly shift their entire production multiple times up in ways that would be calling for inspection. After all, their logistics were temporary, contrary to that of the Romans. They could afford such a sacrifice.
>An ambush on this scale no longer really needs silence on so small a scale.
If this were true it wouldn't be an ambush anymore. Yet the story is absolutely clear on this, it was an ambush. They even had created a camouflaged palisade along a significant length of the track the Romans would follow. There would be no point going to such lengths to create this very tense ambush that hinged on one big spring if at the same time you'd let countless tens of thousands of people know the plan for months in advance. You don't need large settlements when your attack is not meant to last more than a few hours instead of looking at an installation that would stand as a backup base for days, weeks or months of warfare.
>Cavalry would be absolutely essential for such an engagement so you could send forces around to hot-spots and to cut off elements of the Roman force.
The river blocked the Romans and the attack was launched along their entire long walking line. It fragmented it.
>Cavalry would be an absolute game changer and if only the Romans had fielded it, they could have won, easily.
They had some but it was useless in such terrain. Cavalry is used to charge at enemy troops on clear and more or less flat terrain mostly and to break formation, which the legions often seek. The charge doesn't give horses time to think as they are whipped into rushing forward. The advantage of horses in a forest, even more a dark one, is nigh useless. They couldn't even organize a charge and because of the surprise the horses would certainly be scared, almost already routing to some extent.
And I can tell you that horses can be very noisy, especially in a forested vale. If any German cavalry existed, it would have been kept far away and only used for mopping up the fleeing Roman soldiers at a later stage further up the road.
>Roman intelligence
I don't assume much about it since I don't even claim they'd be particularly active about it because the snitching would come from the German themselves, from locals. I mean, imagine that, after having utterly crushed no less than three legions, at the height of his fame and legitimacy and definitely at a time when it would be unthinkable to turn against this intertribal (national) hero in such tense times when Germans are fighting for their liberty, you still had petty nobles ready to betray him and who precisely did it, because Hermann proved that it was impossible to keep an empire at bay without a minimum of gathering of power at a wider scale for such circumstances, and that hurt these sellouts in their feelings. It also goes without saying that much of the Romans' understanding of the current situation in the German lands directly came from Hermann himself who knew how to lie to them.
>I am not saying that every peasant had to know "the plan" in its full detail. However, they did need to know that a revolt was planned and yet the Romans were still taken off guard because the number of traitors was so low.
The Romans could have thought that any rumor of the Germans also organizing their forces several weeks prior to the invasion was perhaps a natural reaction to their own plans having leaked to some extent, but it would be dealt with as usual. There definitely was an affordable amount of leaking acceptable on both sides I suppose, but not in the same quantity, as it was the Germans who had a lot to lose if the intricacies of their real plan were vented. While Hermann would cover as much as he could by the advantage of his own position by feeding the Roman leadership with false information, he had no certainty that he could trust every single chief, inhabitant and merchant either.
>German tribal society wasn't a modern military. 
I covered that already. Human mentality hasn't changed, there always were and will be followers. All they look up to is legitimacy. Back then when people's minds were not so polluted with education and media, they had their faith and a much healthy link to their leaders. Legitimate leaders would be followed. The final moment when the people would need to rally for real could easily happen very late while the rising sentiment of proto-nationalism would grow progressively. It also wouldn't be too hard to convince people to prepare for war since Rome had no way to prevent the knowledge of the incoming invasion from spreading, if only because mobilizing three entire legions is not something you can brush beneath the rug. The Romans would be expecting some kind of activity on the other side of the Rhine. But nothing like one of their own military leaders betraying them by gathering a whole opposite army and above all laying the ground for a deadly ambush. Most of the German gathering of resources and preparation could have been shoved under the idea of preparing for resisting against the invasion, which then at a later time would have been revealed to be part of a plan to actually mobilize all these forces for a secretive and well coordinated general assault.
>In order to convince the Chatti to revolt, you'd need at the very least to convince a wide ranging council of the tribal nobility.
It wouldn't be that hard when they were about to be invaded, subdued, their culture altered and then forced to pay taxes to old men in robes living in a place where snow is almost unheard of, while their noble sons would be taken away as a measure of blackmail.
>And then these guys would need to give orders to their familial networks. Do you really think they all kept the nature of their preparations a secret from their extended families? I do not buy it.
"We need to resist as a group and prepare for invasion" already covers most of the requirements but allows the leaders of the revolt not to have to divulge the critical aspects of the plan.
>Except that "my leader" is not just some guy in a vacuum. It's a clan. And unless I'm a slave, I'm probably just a few family members away from being related to that village leader.
You have never heard of the concept of family secrets, haven't you?
>Instead, I believe that he had to first convince them in broad terms to revolt. You're right that the exact plan could have been put together weeks or months before the ambush. I do not dispute this.
Agreed.
>So if I, a distant cousin of the village chief, might tell my second nephew that he'll be earning his shield soon, I sure as hell will not be telling a foreigner and I see no reason why my second nephew would either.
Right, you're a good guy. But you can't vouch for the others.
>It's one thing to defend yourself against foreigners, but another to see a member of your own people exert kingly rule over other tribes which have been independent since time immemorial.
The victory against Rome changed everything about the dynamics of power and proved that a unification was necessary as long as there would exist a neighboring empire with a great appetite. Some men stuck in their old ways were unable to see this, to the point of willingly killing the one hero who was responsible for their liberty still being a thing in Germania, the same man who had not given up after the Day of the Axe, who remained leading the armed groups that repelled the subsequent retaliations. That is the great man they murdered as one colossal dick move. When you're ready to morally scoop so low you simply are ready for the worse. That is the vilest kind of backstabbing possible, in the same vein as what was seen during WWI with the communist strikes. Such people have no honor and are only concerned for their well being and power, they're materialistic, which is the same exact mentality that earlier on could have brought them to think that being nice to the Romans and accepting to pay some taxes wouldn't be such a terrible hurdle in comparison to literally dying and seeing their family's wealth being wasted. Thinking that Hermann wouldn't be aware of this critical risk and wouldn't take preemptive measures against it is absurd. He also knew how cruel the Romans could be and what would await the Germanic tribes if they were to fail after this revolt.
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>>7642
we don't need the mooosses. we need a few more young white men with rope, AKs, and a desire for extermination of that which would have us brown.
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>>7663
And a sprawling communication network and material support. Don't underestimate the effort needed.
>>7644
>they'd have to be dealing with a surprise guerilla warfare for which they were simply not so well trained.
Not disagreeing with you but I must point out that the Romans were not helpless in the face of ambushes. Remember that Julius Caesar's invasion of Britain was basically one continuous series of ambushes. Yet the Romans easily swatted them away.
What I will say is that the Romans, in fact no ancient or medieval government was pervasive enough to even notice if the Germans, Basques, peasants etc were changing their diet. Again, I am not arguing against what you wrote directly but to address the implication in your words that the Roman state could have been monitoring the German population to the degree which you imply they may have been. One of the secrets that allowed ancient societies to engage in open talk of revolt without the government catching on was the fact that the central government simply couldn't spy on everyone. But again, the other important factor was the strong sense of ethnic and local community.
Take the Cornish Rebellion of 1540. The English were caught nearly completely by surprise and, for a time, Cornish rebels held total control over their countryside. Now, it was eventually crushed, unlike Hermann's Revolt. But how is it that the English didn't know about it until it began?
Simply put, because no one told them. Remember that Cornish people lived in Cornish communities and you could talk frankly about your feelings towards the foreign English overlords without worrying about rat-faced anti-White liberals ratting on you to the FBI. The very thought that someone would betray their ethnic family was preposterous. 
For goodness sake, it took the Persians three days to find even one guy who would show them a goat path that literally every Greek in the area knew about. The level of ethnic loyalty in the past was just so much better than it is today, at least among White people.

>They had some but it was useless in such terrain
Let's not forget that in the Iron Age, indeed in most pre-modern settings, there were always places clear-cut for grazing, charcoal production, and farming. Furthermore, even this is misleading as real ancient battles were not like Rome Total War where you fought in flat fields. Real battlefield settings were mostly farms and hedges, basically very broken terrain. Anyway, I simply disagree that cavalry was useless. The opposite, in fact. Cavalry would be extremely useful. As for it giving away their position, just research ancient and even early-modern battles. Whole cavalry forces crashed into each other by accident. For instance, during the English Civil War, the forces of Charles I accidentally marched behind the Roundhead army. Two entire armies of tens of thousands of men in a non-forested setting literally walked past each other with neither party being aware of the other until they ran into each other. Before airplanes, getting intel on the enemy's position was extremely difficult.

>It wouldn't be that hard when they were about to be invaded, subdued, their culture altered and then forced to pay taxes
This was 9 AD, they had already been conquered. This was the revolt.
>You have never heard of the concept of family secrets, haven't you?
Where do you get this line of reasoning? Anon, tribal society is basically extended family society. You are obsessed with the idea that this massive revolt could be kept a total secret but it's just not possible. 
I'm not trying to be rude but I have noticed in my years as a "right winger" that the right is obsessed with the idea of secrecy. And there is good reason for this. But ancient societies were not modern police states. If you lived out in Teuton-town, quite literally everyone there was a fellow Teuton. And your connection to the capital or the enemy who conquered you was tenuous at best. Simply put, you could talk openly about whatever you liked without fear that the Romans or Franks or whatever would bust down your door to kill you. In fact, rural people were almost a law unto themselves for most of our history. 

>proved that a unification was necessary
Maybe to you & me, maybe even to the average German peasant. But the elite aristocracy will always stand to lose the most when a people centralize. They're the ones who killed him in the end, not the German people.
A fish rots from its head. Noble corruption is a problem as old as time.
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>>7668
>ancient societies were not modern police states
>you could talk openly about whatever you liked without fear
Indeed. It is horribly depressing how much we have lost as a people. I find it hard to continue on this path knowing that the combination of deracination and the endless march of surveillance technology have made revolution almost impossible.
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>>7669
>revolution almost impossible.
>the endless march of surveillance technology
not true at all! Do you have any idea how easy it is to reduce power-grids to multi-million-debt monoliths overnight? Five ton detransistor complexes aren't sold at Wogmart or anything, by the way, and replacing power infrastructure damage takes half a year minimum. You could organise this in multiple states at once SOLO; WITHOUT ANY TINY POSSIBILITY OF CONSPIRACY by just strapping burner-phone-call-linked explosives or incendiaries to unguarded transistors and calling the numbers in quick succession from another burner phone. Become liquid acceleration, stoker of the cleansing flame, invisible assassin of the System -- or mither and ruminate on Internet forums, occasionally reading redundant esoteric nonsense books. Your choice!

>Indeed. It is horribly depressing how much we have lost as a people.
Not really! We'll wade out of this Christly quagmire so much neater and evolved than we stumbled into it.

>I find it hard to continue on this path
Sniveling COWARD! Then at least do something for our kin before blowing your brains out!

>deracination
I don't feel deracinated, I don't know about you. Actually, this white race is filthy, and in need of a bleach bubble bath -- luckily, they are also dependent on industrial technology, every myriad kind of race traitor and genetically-inferior lowling.
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I also tremble, slightly, at the thought. I used to be in favor of rebellion at the earliest opportunity. But further analysis has convinced me that we should eschew violence and instead focus on building pro-White social organizations. We cannot afford to waste our most dedicated men in failed insurgencies that don't go anywhere, like the Order. 
Mind you, this doesn't mean denounce violence. I have argued for years in favor of voicing support for even failed lone wolf attacks because there is literally nothing to be gained from denouncing what has already happened.

>>7672
It's not that easy, brother.
Firstly, being a lone wolf is an extremely difficult thing. You have to do everything yourself by yourself, fund yourself, drive yourself, and you have no backup and have to provide your own get-away. In practical terms this means, (in a hypothetical strike), you need to drive yourself to the target location in your own car, then park within walking distance of it rather than have a confederate waiting far off to pick you up within minutes of your strike. This exposes you to ten times more risk. Also, two heads are better than one. You will inevitably miss things that will seem obvious in retrospect because you didn't have a different mind to analyze your plan. 

Then we must consider what the purpose of it all is. Say that you take down the grid. Now what? Nothing.
In order to overthrow ZOG, we need actual pro-White forces organized and waiting to exploit such a grid failure.
I used to be exactly like you but I realized that I was being reactive and aimless. The end goal of your plan seems to be the destruction itself. The success is taking down power for a couple days. 

Even if this was a worthy goal, it would be far better if it were done by multiple teams of 2-3. This way, even if one team got captured, the others could continue striking and causing damage over years rather than just a few times before the loner got captured. The strength in asymmetric warfare is the ability to repeat small attacks over years to attrition the state. 

I am not a coward and neither is >>7669. We do not have infinite numbers to throw in prison and if we did, it still would be better to use our numbers wisely.
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>>7672
Where are your multi-million-debt monoliths?
>>7673
>Say that you take down the grid. Now what? Nothing.
>In order to overthrow ZOG, we need actual pro-White forces organized and waiting to exploit such a grid failure.
In order to organise actual pro-White forces you need to have an incentive, which means no choice to sit at home on benefits and play video games because you have no power. These phantom "actual forces"; "actual insurgencies"; "actual organisations" are an explicit non-sequitir and the rationale behind this sentiment always leads to kinsmen with good intentions ineffectually strengthening the System by creating organisations which painfully conform around following the pig System's electronically-enforced laws. The psychological pressure from the System's dominance is so terrifying and massive that even masterfully-planned, opportunistic and uncompromising efforts like the Atomwaffen Division are doomed to failure.
Simply, why would the donkey (our folk in its Roman decadence) move (systematise with higher, more DIFFICULT, by proxy anti-democratic standards) if he can get carrots where he's standing? We acclerationists say: light a fire beneath him, and he will move!

To summarise this crucial point,
>Say that you take down the grid. Now what? Nothing.
Yes! Nothing! The abscence! The void to be replaced! Don't bother with the "ermm...,,,, we haven't got daaa infracstructuuur o algo" line because I know as a white man I have mine with our race, that's my and your personal racial responsibility at this time.

>Also, two heads are better than one.
Two heads can be a liability, but true regardless.

>Firstly, being a lone wolf is an extremely difficult thing.
there are plenty of other similarly-awesome positions in our race's domain for those not cut out for the sweat of a lone wolf.

>The end goal of your plan seems to be the destruction itself. The success is taking down power for a couple days
destruction of the Pig System at any cost, absolutely! I don't give a shit about concessions or muh Troomp or whatever. All Systemites must be shot, and harming the Beast System, which despises and betrays our kind, feeds myriad NIGGERS of the soul and blood, is the greatest end.

>Even if this was a worthy goal, it would be far better if it were done by multiple teams of 2-3.
I wasn't trying to be provide good tactical advice, it was an example, I suggest finding substance of argument to criticise instead.

>We do not have infinite numbers to throw in prison and if we did
THE PIG SYSTEM HAS NOT INFINITE PRISON, WE ARE SLAVES ANYWAY, AND YOU HAVE NOT TO GET CAUGHT! HOW WILL THEY CATCH YOU WITHOUT THE CELL TOWERS AND COMPUTERS!?

>it still would be better to use our numbers wisely.
redundant, redundant, redundant

>picrel
Andrew Anglin-esque miserable Internetslop. Do better, faggot!
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>>7685
I comprehend your position. To iron man it a little
>taking down the grid is good because it removes the propaganda of the regime & forces White men to get off their ass or starve. Perhaps pro-White organization could take place when the lights are out & cameras down
Ideally, yes. And if it were this simple, maybe it would be worthwhile to support. But multiple things make this impractical.

Firstly, not to be cliche, but no one here is gonna do that. I'm a coward, you're a coward, we're all cowards. Why this is so is irrelevant. Maybe we're all a bit brainwashed by materialism but to ignore this trait would ruin your plan. Even if you were not a coward (btw, I am not trying to insult you personally but to make a blunt observation which I apply to myself as well) and you also overcame some of the other problems I will address, you have no way of guaranteeing that others follow suit. Thus, if you are captured, your reign of terror will end having achieved little in the grand scheme of things.
Insurgency must be sustainable over the course of years and decades to be effective. It sounds un-romantic & lame but it is true. This is especially true if the objective is to attrition the enemy's infrastructure. The lives of men are infinitely more valuable than objects.

Secondly, the power grid is not as weak as you think it is. I'd like some electricians to weigh in on this (hey, maybe I'm full of shit) but I will spitball things. If the grid could be taken out by shooting transformers, then we'd have rolling blackouts after every storm. You bring up redundancy and that is exactly what the grid encapsulates. 
Actually, and I am not advocating this per se, I believe that your suggestion is wasteful. Creating a cellphone bomb to go after transformers is high input, low reward. The critical link in the chain is more likely substations, but even taking out one of them is not enough as the Met Calf substation attack demonstrates. Cell activated IEDs seem like overkill and a potential identification tool for the police to track you down. Much better to use some sort of industrial rubber-band to launch molatov cocktails (augmented with styrofoam or oil to enhance its stickiness and heat) at long range at the vulnerable step-down transformers.
The more contact you have in & around the substations, the more likely you are going to get caught. The more you mess around with explosives which require purchase, the more likely you will get caught.

Furthermore, taking out easy substations just cuts power to rural (ie White) populations. The areas most important to take out are not as unsecure as rural ones. 

Thirdly, even if you could take out power over a wide area, this isn't guaranteed to cut White people off from power as the system is vast and its power network wide.

Fourthly, again I want to analyze the goal here. So, say that one did cut power in a rural area for a few days while they restore power. What realistically will happen? Certainly not spontaneous White organization. If power just happened to go off where you live, is that what you would immediately do? You wouldn't even know the cause of the power outage for several days, assuming you didn't get power restored quickly. And urban areas are cut, at best this would only lead to temporary looting, not race rioting.
So what do you even expect will happen?
If you elected to go on such a quest, you would not be able to influence the result of your heroism or you would expose yourself to an even higher likelihood of capture.

Despite your hostility, I like you because you're thinking pro-actively. But I also want you to think realistically. Contemplate how others will react to your hypothetical actions, not the way you'd like them to react.

Do NOT interpret this as advocating for illegality (whoever may be reading this) but I recommend that you test for yourself how challenging it is to conduct "terror" attacks on your own. Plan out and go on a dry-run of something which you feel might work. Do not do it in a place with cameras or bring anything suspicious. If your plan involves a specific target, just choose a random area in the woods or an abandoned warehouse as a substitute. Be systematic in planning how you would go about everything from preparation, transportation, arrival, execution, and evac. You will glean many lessons from physically training which you would never have even considered from just idle thought. 
There is a reason why militaries excessively train their soldiers. The physical act will teach you many things.

If you take this advice, I wish you good luck. Maybe I'm just a stupid coward who doesn't know what he is talking about. Maybe it's easy.
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>>7603
>>The issue with modern insurgencies is the surveillance state
>Absolutely. It is the greatest threat to action for all of us.
I would say that the greatest threat is our standard of living as well the bread and circus keeping the lemming urbanite distracted and satisfied. Drugs are also a factor in keeping the population compliant.
Surveillance states could only function well in a happy and docile population that has their needs fulfilled.
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>>7694
True enough. A gang of niggers could disable an entire city's worth of cameras in a month given electric bikes, spray paint and baseball bats.
>>7668
At this point it's so clear that you're reading what you want from my post that I can't be bothered to continue but if there's one point you ought to explain convincingly, it's how you think that a country that had been conquered by Romans could easily organize an uprising without being extra careful about the big plan. Your position is jus not coherent at all. You're just proving that the plan had to be kept even more secret.
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>>7685
You can't bring enough damage to the power grid and the GSM network (and don't forget the satellites, oops) on your own. You would need multiple cells. That's an unofficial army.
Justice is compromised. The whole army is compromised. The police is compromised. Schools and medias pump poison all day long into the heads of countless million people. The breadth of such degeneracy and evil is unbound. Lone wolves will be able to operate with meaningful results if they know brothers elsewhere are doing the same, in sufficient quantity. Their modus operandi will be that of sabotage and punctual elimination of prime targets, all as silent as possible and with no glorification expected in return with one shot suicidal voyeuristic behaviors. Precious assets have to be kept alive and free.
Yet the only way to have such cells is to have places on Earth were people can be trained and sufficiently organized, or at least to be given tools, methods and a reliable list of targets and objectives too coordinate with other mobile cells. Do we have anything that remotely approaches an area where our people could be trained for self-defense and eventually discreetly selected for such LW ops? Certainly not in Ukraine. For Europe you'd have to look into countries that have kept things under wraps. A few Baltic ones, perhaps Serbia and Hungary, and maybe a place or two in Italy. For the US, the mid to upper central states with their largely unpopulated areas would be a good start. That training would need to be serious and the equipment real, well supplied.
>>7687
I absolutely concede, in every single possible regard, to not knowing a single thing about power stations, and I will openly clarify I only know it as weak because of the pdf “Redstone Killers” which was written by someone who knows what he’s talking about. I have no clue what I’m talking about and am saying what I say for effect; my point is it is undoubtedly easy to damage infrastructure because literally no civil citizen would do it like come on, and also purely second-hand evidence which I can’t be bothered to blogpost about.
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>>7710
>I have no clue what I’m talking about and am saying what I say for effect
That's not a great way to put forth an opinion in good faith.
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>>7711
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>>7710
Good luck out there, brother. Maybe someday we will see for sure. For now, we must build legal networks. Prepare for a long struggle which we will not live to see the end of, and maybe we will get surprised. 
That's what happened to Lenin (he wrote that he didn't expect to see the fruition of his efforts). If it happened to him, maybe cosmic justice will give it to us. But of course, cosmic justice is imaginary and what will grant us victory is hard work.

>>7701
Whatever you say. I've made my points.
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>>7718
>Prepare for a long struggle which we will not live to see the end of, and maybe we will get surprised.
Thinking about it long and hard, I've come to the conclusion this is a ruinous mindset. Making peace with the possibility that you will die before the great revolution is over? That's fine, this is war and not everyone comes back home alive in war. But thinking about it in such long-range, abstract, nebulous terms is detrimental because it instills a sense of complacency, which is the greatest obstacle in our struggle outside of kikes and traitors. Time is the one thing we don't have.

Every year our people are less abundant, weaker, dumber, more deracinated, more dispossessed, more individualist. The enemy grows more entrenched irrespective of the crumbling infrastructure in our societies. We can't afford to think about it as a gradual change of some sort, it's a trap that leads us to a dead end. This is a fight for our very survival as a race, a fight for our very souls. We don't get a second chance if we fuck up. And the longer we take, the higher the chances for someone to fuck up, to give up, to falter in their convictions and make "deals" with the enemy. That last one is the worst, because the second ANYONE on our side starts thinking about compromise, the kikes have won. We're not going to be young and fit forever.

See, a big reason boomers are so selfish and apathetic is that they already got theirs, so they don't see a reason to lift a finger for the sake of bettering their environment. Even if a boomer is going through a rough spot, even if he can see the myriad problems gnawing at the foundations of society, his first priority will be to keep what he has and "make the best of it", rather than effect risky, dangerous, grand sweeping change. The older one gets, the more alluring the siren song of complacency. Thus the older we get, the more likely that some in our ranks will abandon the fight out of fatigue, or waver in their convictions and simply try to "make the best of it" of living in the System's clutches. Old farts are useless for this purpose. Revolution is a young man's game.

This mindset is also a disservice to the generations that will come after us, dumping the work of finishing the job for us on them not unlike the hated baby boomers. How exactly can we claim to fight for the future of our coming generations if we don't leave them a better world than the one we departed from? How can we claim to fight for them when it's them who will have to actually get it done?

No. I reject those premises wholesale. This gets done now, in one generation. Ours is the LAST generation that will have to suffer the kikes. When the next generation is born, they will be born in a judenfrei world, a better world, a cleaner world, a healthier, more beautiful world. THIS is to be our ideal. Even if we fail to make that deadline, we should put ALL our energy in bringing it about.
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>>7719
I disagree. Firstly, I again reference Lenin. The communists played the long game and they came out on top. 
Secondly, what is needed is violent revolution. Consider a charge-up weapon in a videogame. If you unleash it before you are ready, you will do no damage and be in a worse off position than you were before. The same is true IRL.
We are extraordinarily weak right now. If we engaged in violence today, our field numbers would be in the dozens at best. We would be destroyed, accomplish nothing, and those who did not join us in the attack would be in an even weaker position without us.
This is not complacency, this is basic math. 
Let's put ourselves in Hermann/Armenius' position again. He hailed from the Cherusci tribe. He likely could have rallied them behind him and led a revolt against Rome immediately. And they would have been crushed without achieving anything but killing Germans. Instead, he spent 1-2 years convincing other tribes to join him. 
Another, counter-example: In ~55 BC, the Gauls met at a sacred grove and decided to revolt against the Romans. Almost immediately, Ambiorix revolted, wiped out an entire Roman legion, and then besieged another.
Then, Caesar arrived and crushed him in battle, marched into his territory, and fucking killed all of them. The Eburones were destroyed forever.
Where the FUCK were the other tribes?
They didn't do anything because, idk if they were still preparing or they were chickenshit, but man do I wish I could go back in time and slap them all. They let Ambiorix hang out to dry.
Yet just a year later, hundreds of thousands of Gauls mobilized for a revolt that almost destroyed Julius Caesar. They almost won, but they were defeated at Alesia and the rebellion collapsed. Ambiorix was a capable commander and his forces were dedicated fighters. It's too bad that they were unable to help Vercingetorix because they were dead a year too early.
Would an extra tribe mobilizing have tipped the balance? No one can say but Caesar came so close to defeat at Alesia that I am certain that an extra 9,000 men would have defeated him. 

The point here is that sometimes it is better to get all your ducks in a row before you go off half cocked. What if the Gauls had revolted one at a time like Ambiorix? They'd be crushed easily and no one would ever have heard of Vercingetorix. 
As you yourself wrote:
>We don't get a second chance if we fuck up.
We are not ready to revolt. This is not cowardice to point out, it is a simple, observable fact. Our task in life is to 
1. Figure out how to make revolt feasible
2. Make it so

I think about insurgent struggles of the past a lot and the one which is most similar to the war we would be engaging in is the Troubles. An ethno-conflict for racial survival against a democratic police state. Even with their enviable demographics (at the time), they failed to achieve independence, yet did defeat the state. If we extrapolate the numbers for an America sized population, we should expect to suffer between 16,560 and 97,600 casualties (over 30 years) and still have enough numbers to be able to fight. (the IRA lost as battlefield casualties 0.5% of the total population of Irish in Northern Ireland. If we include the total Irish population on the island, we get 0.0092% of the total Irish population lost in the war. Extrapolate this to the total White population in America and the sheer scale of what we might suffer in battlefield casualties is apparent.)
Are we prepared to sustain this? Nope. We could not even field 16,000 people in an organized fashion and if we did, half of them would call the other half feds. 

I am 100% with you on the desire for immediate results. I am not happy with the current demographic trends. And I am 100% with you on your admirable initiative. However, we cannot afford to become romantic about revolution or we will fail and achieve less than nothing. Furthermore, there is reason to be hopeful as well as angry: It is impossible to measure, but it seems apparent that White youth are moving in a positive direction. Pro-White memes are extremely prevalent online. While that alone is meaningless, it is indicative that a substantial percentage of White youth are at least capable of thinking racially. That's the first step in climbing Mt Everest. 
But this is not enough. 

Let's say that someone did it.
What would he accomplish? Well, assuming he even achieved his goal without fucking up and lived to do it again, he might be able to knock out power to, idk, San Jose for a couple days. Maybe 2 weeks if he kept at it. But eventually, if he was doing it multiple times a week, he would be caught. What would his enormous sacrifice achieve?
Well, some rich scum would lose several hundred million dollars in profits, all together. Maybe a billion. But they will not change their behavior once the hero is captured. 
There might be copy-cats. Expect them to be embarrassingly incompetent and impulsively do it without thinking. Certainly, pro-White organizations would not be able to exploit said man's sacrifice because such organizations do not really exist. There are a few such organizations but they are still in their growing phases and cannot hope to act violently. Ironically, the System might just use such a doing as an excuse to shut them down. Which, maybe this would be beneficial. But wouldn't it have been better to force them to shut down a large organization of thousands rather than 400 guys?
So nothing would actually result from such a sacrifice. What we need now is men willing to forego glory and instead work on getting these 400 guy organizations into self sustaining ones that cannot be shut down without consequences. THEN and only then does accelerationism in the way you describe make sense.
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>>7720
Lenin? He had already done the hardest part with the coup. Perhaps he was worried about the White Russian resistance but it was misorganized and abandoned instead of pushing harder.
By the time they were in power it appears a large portion of the people and the army were behind the communists, so the game needn't be long as long as they could keep the power they took by force and increase it.
What we are seeing today is a gradual increase of the chaotic conditions that gave way to 1917, but these were partially amplified by the Russian government itself that thought it could be a good thing to reinforce and thus control the rebels, but it got lost in its paranoia and failed to keep track of who was doing what. Germany also poured fuel on that fire, one of the dumbest and vilest moves in history because nothing should warrant throwing a whole nation under the communist bus. It's even more despicable knowing that it came from an aristocratic group.
I am not sure that the first nation to kick the bucket and begin its own civil war will benefit from external help much, so her own Whites will have to find a way to gather inner resources on their own.

>>7719
The other anon's position sounded like calling for an inversion of the boiling temperature when what needs to be done is to kick the pot altogether and spill all the water on the floor.
>How exactly can we claim to fight for the future of our coming generations if we don't leave them a better world than the one we departed from? How can we claim to fight for them when it's them who will have to actually get it done?
I think it's called preparation. We are not even there yet so it's totally premature to speak of combat.
But I agree that our generation should be the last to see this horrible world. This however is nothing more than a wish because we simply do not know how long it will take to conquer our lands again and it could be very very long, but it has to start soon and it needs to be violent, not to start around 2040 or whatever.
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>>7720
>Ambiorix
The bad harvest hardly gave them enough resources to sustain a prolonged war or even waste time deciding what to do when the Romans were depleting them. That put some pressure on him. The victory, temporary as it was, had in no small part its reason in the suddenness of the revolt.
>the other tribes, where?
Too buys drinking Roman wine for sure.
Even Vercingetorix struggled to get enough of them under his tutelage, which isn't without irony regarding our Arminius friend since the Arverni's father was killed by people who held against him the exact same gripe, that of trying to unite all of Gaul. It is worth noting that as far as the siege of Alesia is concerned, a very large contingent of Celtic forces came, but with no sound plan and no idea of how to assault the double-edged Roman enclosure around Alesia, they gave up after a while, when they had so many men that they could have defeated the Romans at their own game by establishing a series of temporary fortifications and choke points too to slowly but surely drive the Romans into a situation of attrition that would have them defeated, even if it would have come at the likely cost of losing the hungry people stuck in Alesia.
The tragedy here is that there definitely was potential to unite Gauls in a more efficient way and Ambiorix's forces would have been a great addition to those of Vercingetorix.
If you want to mirror that with the United States, White men have more than enough firepower to get to a similar situation. We are just lacking the proper leaders and hopefully they will be smart enough to get the conservatives in, them who are so content to sit on the fence despite knowing how deplorable the situation is.
Brought to Europe, the situation is quite different. In too many countries the people are not used to handing heavy weapons, they're in desperate need of training on top of a need of radicalization, which will only come as a reaction to the increase of the oppression, the injustice and the rapes and murders.
In all cases, networks, resources, preparedness and numbers will be the key to victory.
Looking at the number aspect of the issue, we may speculate that based on the voting trends, a large portion of the populations are eager to support a harder right wing party. The White leftists, the milquetoast mid-voters and the migrants are those who essentially fill the ranks of anything else. Only the antifas, the extreme leftists and the invaders will engage in armed conflict together against the White Armies of Reclamation.
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The worst news would be that as a country would desperately attempt to rise, something like NATO troops would be sent as reinforcements to help the local ZOG forces. This would be a repeat of the Roman cases. We could only hope then that the others countries would understand that a global  cohesion is the only way to achieve victory. Here, by using the imperial language of the day, English, we would face not the need to convince other tribes or even whole regions, but convince entire foreign nations to join us which would prevent ZOG forces from lifting reserves that would leave other areas unprotected for too long.
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>>7721
>He had already done the hardest part with the coup
I was referencing a quote from him way before the coup. He once quipped in Switzerland that he will never see the revolution. A few years later, he was on a train to Finland to lead it.
It's a hopeful quote since we could very well see it but only if we're prepared for it.

>ermany also poured fuel on that fire, one of the dumbest and vilest moves in history because nothing should warrant throwing a whole nation under the communist bus
Meh, there's no way they could possibly have known that their gambit would actually "succeed" so well. I get the anger but war is war and the Entente was pathologically insane and would not accept peace. Unconventional times call for unconventional measures.
>It's even more despicable knowing that it came from an aristocratic group.
It's a tangent, but I do not understand the infatuation with aristocrats. The German ones were better than most yet they were still a bunch of selfish liberals. German peasants were better people than their rulers.

>I am not sure that the first nation to kick the bucket and begin its own civil war will benefit from external help much
This is another concern. This is actually why I would prefer the Revolution to begin in America (& succeed, obviously) so we get our hands on nukes. If, say, Sweden (lol) became the first nation to overthrow the jews, they'd get dogpiled from all sides. Even France is not ideal due to their small arsenal. It has to be the USA... or, I guess Russia but... that'd be awkward. 

>>7722
True but he still jumped the gun and got no support from his countrymen. Such a waste of men. Ugh.
Makes me angry. It also makes me nervous. 
My second greatest fear is that we do revolt and then get crushed.
My first is that we revolt and then turn on each other.. and then get crushed.

I agree with your analysis, it would have made more strategic sense to besiege the Romans besieging Alesia. But we must also consider logistics. Were the Gauls able to feed themselves? I have no idea. Maybe they could and this was just Celtic disorder. But I also suspect that the Romans scorched the earth around their fortifications, preventing the Celts from resupplying from the land. Remember, the Belgae once summoned an army (>>allegedly<<) 200,000 strong to fight 20,000 Romans and had to give up when Caesar refused to fight them because THEY ran out of food.
But yes, it is seriously tough to manage so many people. Radicals tend to prevail the more people are involved. That's democracy for you. 

>>7723
Let's just promise to take reasonable action if one of our nations succeeds. If White rebels take power somewhere, that is the time to throw everything into helping them. Either helping them directly or indirectly by attacking the system at home.
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>>7727
>>7722
Upon further consideration, they could have just imported food from elsewhere because they were in friendly territory. So either hot-heads prevailed because they were worried about food stocks in Alesia, or they just got stumped by Caesar's fortifications and attacked on impulse. Or perhaps, they figured that 300,000 men should overcome 70,000. 

It was autumn so they should have had plenty of food. They should not have attacked.
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>>7727
Regarding Lenin, I really wonder how much was due to luck or to a network of you know who that prepared the way, strongly suggesting that kind of special revolutionary agent to Russia while there already were people there creating the conditions of an uprising by attacking the economy, which is quite a repeat of France. A single guy could do nothing without an already active force ready to support him. There is just no logic to the idea that Germany would even believe, as ridiculous as it sounds, that secretly shipping one single man to Russia would change everything. I can understand Germany wanting to weaken Russia and perhaps going as far as thinking that after looking at what communists were doing in Germany with the strikes and all the other subversive acts that harmed the country's military might, it would be tempting to throw this same poison at the Russians and see how they'd fare with it. But not just with one man. The German authority must have been given guarantees that there were people ready to prop up Lenin once he'd be stationed in either Moscow or St. Petersburg. Obviously the same people must be behind the earlier well organized revolt of 1905 which was part of an international process to destroy all lasting forms of monarchy, regardless of the status of peasants. Emancipation of the serfs was just a way to transform these workers into industrial cogs to increase the wealth of a new rising group of sellers. Their living and working conditions simply didn't improve at all but and in fact worsened, although they were promised to make more money. Every time, in the wake of these bloody revolutions you find the Jews, the usual wailing victims of some form of abysmal injustice, being emancipated and gaining further rights, thus allowing them to slowly encroach on the political power which has always been their true goal, always using the disgruntled masses as a shield, a veil and as temporary allies. The heightened focus on Lenin does miss out the larger entity that had lodged itself in Russia. If anything, a deeper look into why the Black Hundreds seemed to fail to achieve anything of value beyond suppression of targets should be urgently considered. Tsarist apologists and possibly unconvincing on theirs policy of economic, they appeared to be a minor annoyance against the tidal Marxist forces that spread all over the empire.
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>>7747
Lenin spent over a decade building a revolutionary party with chapters all around Russia, this party the bolsheviks and militia units secretly organized that eventually stormed the winter palace. Before this they organized local "soviets" which were councils of people who supported his movement that eroded Tzarist power in the cities by providing an alternative local government. Both the militias and soviets were key ingredients to the Bolshevik revolution. Without the two working smoothly and being a part of the larger bolshevik party, Lenin would have failed. Lenin ran these groups from exile so that he didn't risk running into the Tzarist authorities. If we were to follow his example and create a vanguard party TODAY, it would still be at least two decades before a WN revolution.
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>>7753
You can't build such a huge network on your own, even less when working remotely. He only was the tip of the iceberg.
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>>7747
Did jews do it? Absolutely. It's complex but while Lenin was writing articles in Switzerland, jews and communists were working to eat away at the legitimacy of the Tsar.
Revolution is never spontaneous. It is the culmination of decades of work. This is why I advise caution even though I am fuming with rage every day. We simply are not ready. We are not ready to fight, we are not ready to replace the regime, the people are not ready to support us, the system is too strong, etc.

>Every time, in the wake of these bloody revolutions you find the Jews,
90% of the first Soviet were jews. Look it up.
Jews were 43% of apprentice lawyers, 35% of the mercantile class. In Kiev in they were 37% of managers.
This despite being just 1% of the population (we're subtracting the population of Poland from the mix because they were occupied by Germany by 1917)
The communist revolution did not "emancipate" the jews. It gave them unbridled power over an innocent population.
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>>7753
>Before this they organized local "soviets" which were councils of people who supported his movement that eroded Tzarist power in the cities by providing an alternative local government. Both the militias and soviets were key ingredients to the Bolshevik revolution. 
THESE, right here, are the two sentences which we must study and remind ourselves every day.
The enemy created an alternative to the government... and these played a key role in his successful revolution.

I'm not a Tsarist simp, btw. What I'm interested in is how the enemy created a revolutionary environment and how he ultimately took over. Technically, the bolsheviks overthrew a democracy, albeit a very weak one. But this makes their actions all the more relevant to us.
>>7757
And yet "readiness" seems an impossible task for us when we don't even have any operatives in play or very many organizations existing. The few orgs that do exist are constantly pinned down.

It's easy to propose a slow build up in theory, but how does it work when we have no right to association, no right to free speech, no right to self defense, and a network of surveillance goyphones and cameras enforcing the anti-white laws at all times?
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>>7759
>we don't even have any operatives in play or very many organizations existing. The few orgs that do exist are constantly pinned down.
I know... I know. 
Believe me, I know. No one said that this was going to be easy. If you were the jews, would you make it easy? They know that when we win, we're going to kill them all.

>we have no right to association, no right to free speech, no right to self defense, and a network of surveillance goyphones and cameras enforcing the anti-white laws at all times?
The same was true for the bolsheviks. And for the Irish. In some ways they had it worse than us, in other ways, we have it worse than them. The point is that we're an existential threat to the regime and frankly, it's a miracle that they haven't made it legal to just shoot us on the spot yet.
For now, we must work within the law to make it possible for bigger things in the future.
We are not ready to go full IRA yet.
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>>7760
>For now, we must work within the law
That "law" is a noose which tightens each and every day. In the UK you get arrested for publicly disliking shitskin rapists. In Australia, within the fucking week a law will be unanimously passed in parliament to make "hate speech" - including Roman salutes - punishable by 2 YEARS in prison. 
The US is soon to be behind them, with Orange kike pushing full dismantling of the constitution, already multiple EOs targeting "anti-semites" and filling the courts and cabinet with jews once again.

We have fewer than 5 years. If a serious movement, underground or not, is not realized within 5 years in the continental United States, the White race is done. You can cope about the other White majority countries but they mean shit when the US can subdue them militarily in the case of an awakening. Every single stronghold of Whites, physical and ideological, has fallen. It's now or never. We have 5 years.
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>You can't build such a huge network on your own, 
No, Lenin was the leader of the Bolsheviks, but their were lots of people who join the Bolsheviks and created their party. Before the party was formed communists in Russia formed informal social networks which acted as a backbone of manpower for the creation of the Bolshevik party. 
>>7757
>This is why I advise caution even though I am fuming with rage every day. We simply are not ready. We are not ready to fight, we are not ready to replace the regime, the people are not ready to support us, the system is too strong, etc.
We haven't created the irl informal networks that are needed to serve as a backbone of a National Socialsit party. In Germany their were tons of informal networks that were instrumental for creating the NSDAP. This is what we need to focus on before moving to the next step. 
>>7759
We have to start by creating informal irl networks. Try to meet up with other anons. Their is a risk of fed infiltration, but their is no other way so we just have to "bite" that "bullit." We can't let our fear prevent us from taking calculated risks. 
>It's easy to propose a slow build up in theory, but how does it work when we have no right to association, no right to free speech, no right to self defense, and a network of surveillance goyphones and cameras enforcing the anti-white laws at all times?
You meet and vet people irl, then if you're pretty certain they are "safe" you have secret meetings and slowly grow your network. Different networks after growing can start to "communicate" with each other but remain separate orgs to prevent compromised networks from infiltrating others. As these networks grow and you are to big for a few infiltrators to destroy you start centralizing the networks into an official vanguard party. 
>If a serious movement, underground or not, is not realized within 5 years in the continental United States
I hate to say it but you can't rush this, its a slow process and their is no easy way out. But the truth is we have more time on our hands then we think. Even if America becomes minority White, Whites will still be the super majority in the rural areas between brown cities. If we get an insurgency going in the White areas we can either negotiate or siege out the brown cities. Also as America gets less White, ZOG is paradoxically weakened as they will have less smart White functionaries, and in a majority brown America, smart Whites will be more willing to side with us, and less willing to work for ZOG. In fact America's diversity has already weakened it on the world stage. You see it with Russia winning in Ukraine and Israel loosing in Gaza. ZOG's power is on the decline, someone will topple them eventually, but if we don't get our act together in the coming decades, the people who replace ZOG won't be us.
>You can cope about the other White majority countries but they mean shit when the US can subdue them militarily in the case of an awakening. 
If America is less than 50% White, and they try to still control Europe, then Russia will defeat America in a great power war. Modern Russia is not an ethnostate, but its still majority White and based on current trends, will be so in 2100. I don't think a majority brown America could beat Russia in a war.
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>>7760
the IRA are nothing but drug dealers
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>>7761
>We have fewer than 5 years. If a serious movement, underground or not, is not realized within 5 years in the continental United States, the White race is done
Challenge accepted (not like I have a choice)
Even if it were hopeless, I would accept my task without complaint because it is right to resist evil, no matter the cost.

>>7767
>This is what we need to focus on before moving to the next step.
It shall be done. That is my quest.
Also, I agree with you that we're not done in 5 years. Even if Whites become a minority in the US, we can still fight and win. Even if that means seceding from a shitskin country with only a small territory. That is still an upgrade.

>>7768
sigh, this again
Okay, anon. Well, those drug dealers forced a democratic police state to the negotiating table. If they can do it, maybe we can too. Let's learn from the drug dealers.
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>>7770
>Even if that means seceding from a shitskin country with only a small territory. That is still an upgrade.
It would also ensure freedom for Europe, and Europe is more important for Whites to hold than America.
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>>7767
>We haven't created the irl informal networks that are needed to serve as a backbone of a National Socialsit party. In Germany their were tons of informal networks that were instrumental for creating the NSDAP. This is what we need to focus on before moving to the next step. 
These groups were not even a network per se, just a constellation of shared and opposed views that on the average put them on the right or far right of the political spectrum. Then there were one or two of these groups that mattered much more, and it all went up rather fast all things considered.
If you look at our respective nations we already are in such a situation with tons of groups and cells more or less united on a set of similar ideas or beliefs but what is always lacking is the one engine that drags them all in one direction.
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>>7811
>If you look at our respective nations we already are in such a situation with tons of groups and cells more or less united on a set of similar ideas or beliefs but what is always lacking is the one engine that drags them all in one direction.
The age-old question: who iwll bell the cat?
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>>7814
*will, rather
>>7759
>It's easy to propose a slow build up in theory, but how does it work when we have no right to association, no right to free speech, no right to self defense, and a network of surveillance goyphones and cameras enforcing the anti-white laws at all times?
You rely on S.M.A.R.T.

>>7770
>It shall be done. That is my quest.
>Also, I agree with you that we're not done in 5 years. Even if Whites become a minority in the US, we can still fight and win. Even if that means seceding from a shitskin country with only a small territory. That is still an upgrade.
Once the new e-currencies are online and running, the debts will be gone for the most part after a most generous world Jubilee, then they'll be again able to run the printers at full speed again except now it will all be electronic and the shekelizer will go biiiiip.
Which means they will easily have a hundred years of potential unstoppable inflation and debt increase to once again pull the same shit with UBI soldiers who will be more than glad to submerge our miserable and isolated hideouts, because picking apemen from Africa or Florida and giving them M16s with the promise of a cornucopia of chicken will do wonders while the drones and sats fly high above our heads.
The Jews will throw everything they have and more to exterminate the last free Whites now that they are perhaps a decade away from being able to do it unimpeded in some major countries and pull a Gaza on us if our ideas don't manage to make it into the White populations at large to the point that shooting Whites ala Weaver or Wacko will have a Gapon effect and backfire on them. So we need to hurry up.
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>>7770
>Okay, anon. Well, those drug dealers forced a democratic police state to the negotiating table. If they can do it, maybe we can too. Let's learn from the drug dealers.
The PIRA did, IIRC.
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>>7811
>Socialsit
Is technically what most people on our side do.
>app name btw
>>7816
>S.M.A.R.T.
The term is unfamiliar to me.

>Second paragraph
Yeah, this. No matter how much I would like to believe that we have more time, The jews control basically everything and have multiple avenues to ruin Whites within the decade. They can run the same playbook they have in recent years:
two-tier policing where the shitniggers can kill whites with minimal sentences combined with cracking down hard on "hate speech" by Whites who want a homeland. Oh, and more immigration of course.
It worked in the UK - there is almost no real action being taken there. If you add in the Great Reset, now they are additionally appealing to cowardice and consumerism, which are a rampant weakness among our people.

There will either be a meteoric rise or total ruin, I can see no other way unless a fucking comet strikes Earth.
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>>7819
>Specific
>Measurable
>Assignable
>Realistic
>Time-related
>>7816
I'm doing my best. I'm one guy, atm.

>>7817
They did. I use the term synonymously for brevity sake. Once someone didn't know what PIRA was so I've gotten into the habit of just calling everything IRA so I don't need to explain it.
But yes, it was PIRA, the Provos.
The original IRA is dead so they're not drug dealers either.
>>7811
>If you look at our respective nations we already are in such a situation with tons of groups and cells more or less united on a set of similar ideas or beliefs but what is always lacking is the one engine that drags them all in one direction.
Their is still more work to be done. The sad truth is for most WNs, their politics in online only and they don't know other WNs irl. This needs to change if we will accomplish anything.
Lolberts are completely worthless, spineless pieces of shit. They're loudmouthed idiots who shout day and night they will resist government tyranny and overreach with violence if pushed to it. We've all seen they have failed to resist in any meaningful way for the last several decades even as the government got more and more tyrannical sometimes to the point of absurdity. The best example of this of course being the Covid years. Not only did they chicken out of doing anything at all besides complaining online, they unmasked themselves as weaklings and cowards with the pathetic excuses they've made for not resisting, even as police were beating and jailing children and elderly people for breaking quarantine. Some even outright admitted that they didn't want to lose their jobs or egt arrested, effectively admitting they're too cowardly to ever put their money where their mouth is, because in the end all they care about is their own wallets and creature comforts. They showed the entire world they will never stand up for themselves, let alone their kinsmen. And let's not even get started on their endless clucking about hunting down pedophiles when not a single of their number has lifted a finger to bring lethal justice on the heads of rapist shitskins and their enablers in the government. Simply put, they're utterly worthless in every capacity.

Where am I going with this? Simple, at least in the USA there's plenty of lolberts who have an extensive collection of weapons (that they'll never ever use but keep reading). Many of them are quite well-to-do, because lolbergism is an upper middle class man's ideology. This means they have quite a lot of material resources at their disposal. Not just money or guns but also food (if they're preppers), vehicles, electronic appliances. Therefore, seeing as how they will never raise a hand against the System or move a finger to defend their kinsmen, they should be killed and their resources appropriated by WNs. That way those guns, vehicles, money, etc. will be put to actual use in overthrowing the System slowly killing our people rather than let it go to waste in frivolous individualistic pursuits.

It should also send a message at the same time: that nobody gets to be neutral in this fight. Lolberts think if they retreat to their homes and roll the shutters down they'll get to ride out the storm, maybe benefit themselves by selling their surplus goods at outrageous prices (look it up, most lolberts also approve of price gouging). By killing lolberts their illusions of neutrality are shattered, and they'll be forced to choose between continuing to while away in their selfish stupor while the System chokes them out, die at our hands for being traitors to their kinsmen by inaction, or taking up arms for a cause and being worth a damn for once in their lives. On that note, should they approach WN organizations to sign up they should be screened and trained away from regular recruits and kept on a short leash for a long time, because chances are these selfish weasels are just joining up to save their own skins, the only thing they ever valued. Unless they prove to be exceptional, unless they show they've turned a new leaf, use them as grunts and keep them the hell away from any leadership positions. You really don't want a Mike Powell type running a cell, you don't want him subverting the Organization from within or worse, turning informant in exchange for police protection.
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>>7937
>they should be killed and their resources appropriated by WNs
Can we be realistic here?
If "we" initiated the struggle by slaughtering our own race, that would destroy our movement forever. The way you begin a conflict sets the tone for the rest of the struggle. Opening with an anti-White action will destroy any moral authority such rebels could claim.
>It should also send a message at the same time: that nobody gets to be neutral in this fight.
Yeah and everyone would take the side against us. Systemites already would support the System killing us and if we showcase ourselves as looters who target random old people who never harmed us, literally no one will take our side.
This is a terrible idea.

I get your position, believe me I would like all selfish talkers to be machinegunned into a pit. But I am more concerned with victory than petty revenge.
Think about this strategically, in the long term, and you will see that this is the better way.
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>>7940
>If "we" initiated the struggle by slaughtering our own race, that would destroy our movement forever. The way you begin a conflict sets the tone for the rest of the struggle. Opening with an anti-White action will destroy any moral authority such rebels could claim.
It is not Anti-white to kill those who are now and will continue betraying our race in favor of either their own comfort or to stick to principles based upon false premises. Contrary to your point there would be no moral authority to any such movement if they left such Whites alone or worse allied with them.
>Yeah and everyone would take the side against us. Systemites already would support the System killing us and if we showcase ourselves as looters who target random old people who never harmed us, literally no one will take our side.
This is a terrible idea.
No, free resources is free resources, and there are many ways to take them without revealing who did it, and many to obfuscate who did it, and by the time we can just openly take them there would be no International media or national media to use against us that would make those "unaware" turn against us.
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>>7940
>realistic 
Please stop using that word. At this point it's just an excuse for inaction and apathy. It's the coward's battlecry.

>If "we" initiated the struggle by slaughtering our own race
Gonna stop you right there. Traitors are not kinsmen. Shabbos goyim deserve to die just as much as the kikes and niggers, and most lolberts are pro-Israel. 

>The way you begin a conflict sets the tone for the rest of the struggle. Opening with an anti-White action will destroy any moral authority such rebels could claim.
Where was it said direct action would begin with lolberts as a target? It's irrelevant anyway.

>if we showcase ourselves as looters who target random old people who never harmed us
We'd be targeting selfish boomers and other scum that sold their own for an illusion of personal profit and security, "never harmed us" my ass. And again, the average lolbert is pro-Israel. It's not hard to make it clear why this or that person was targeted, assuming their killings wouldn't just be made to look like a robbery gone wrong. Like >>7962 said, there's many ways to skin that cat.

>petty revenge
It's pretty telling that you use these specific words. There is nothing petty about executing traitors, let alone those who betrayed our race. Remember that lolberts have no principles whatsoever. As cowardly and selfish as they are, as much as they cluck about bucking the System and being their own men, the truth is that they depend upon the System's prosperity and they know it. Unlikely though it may be, it's not 100% out of the question that they might form their own squads to hunt down "terrorists" (read: us) when the System points its finger at us, or even outright enlist with the System's forces as mercenaries or what have you. Better nip that in the bud and impress upon them no action against us will be tolerated.

>>7962
>by the time we can just openly take them there would be no International media or national media to use against us that would make those "unaware" turn against us.
I'd argue that the media is irrelevant. Optics is not a matter of appeasement but force. Doesn't matter what the media says about us when White neighbors know we're the only ones protecting them from shitskin looters, for example. Doesn't matter how juicy of a reward the System offers for information on our members if they know what happens to snitches.
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>>7966
Sounds like a whole lotta roleplay when we haven't fired a single shot at ZOG in anger yet.
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It feels like thirty years into the future, we will still be bickering about what should have been done and how we can course correct stuff, while trying to manage our prostate issues.
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>>7962
Libertarians are largely useless. But to initiate a conflict against the jews by killing our own race is idiotic. At least libertarians are not actively supporting White genocide.
You say that this will knock people off the fence. Yes. But none of them will join us. So what would this accomplish other than give a few of us a cathartic feeling? This is foolishness. The priority of targets is, and I am not legally advising anything, this is all just hypothesis: 
>1) Anti-White politicians, businessmen, and anyone involved in the police state, the legal system, or journalism
>2) Underlings and systemites. NGOs, uncompromising managerial class members, key personnel who make the system function, Leftist operatives and bootlickers
>3) Ironically, moderate non-Whites who confuse naive White people. 
>4) Non-Whites

The libertarians sitting in their homes are not only irrelevant to the struggle, but literally old and dying. There is absolutely nothing to be gained from killing them except taking a bunch of weapons that are actually useless. Also, why the fuck should WE be the ones "confiscating the guns?"
The system already wants to do it and it will piss them off. Why the fuck would we do the system's dirty work AND piss off our own race? Makes zero sense.

>there are many ways to take them without revealing who did it
This is so overwhelmingly naive. No one will be fooled. The media will already be pushing false flags of us attacking White children. Why the fuck would we give them real material?

This whole thing is backwards. This is the mentality that leads otherwise decent White men who know how the system works to waste their lives attacking a walmart.

You're thinking like a terrorist rather than an insurgent or a rebel. I will tell you exactly what would come of such a policy. "We" would become a universally reviled terrorist "group." I put group in quotes because calling a band of disconnected terrorists a group is overselling them. Such a "movement," with zero support from the population it ostensibly is fighting for, would just die. Indeed, everyone will point out that these "White nationalists" are just targeting White people trying to be left alone by the system. What a pointless waste of resources and for what? Guns? Guns are not nearly as useful for insurgents as fertilizer. Hell, the system, upon seeing this group acting so stupidly, wouldn't even need to ban guns. They'd just let them terrorize the aging boomertards into submission.
Then, once said group had absolutely zero support, they'd round them up and shoot them. Or, maybe the System would let them persist as a powerless boogieman.

>>7966
>Please stop using that word
If we're not realistic, we're just playing on the internet.

>Traitors are not kinsmen.
If we extend traitor to mean literally everyone not a White nationalist, then we're basically also at war with our race and our cause is hopeless. What are we even fighting for if our own people are not our misguided kinsmen?

>Where was it said direct action would begin with lolberts as a target?
If this is not an opening move (to seize their weapons was stated as the goal) why would we need weapons? Either a viable insurgent group would exist and the smallarms lolberts hoard would be low value tools compared with AA weapons, explosives, and drones. Furthermore, again, being realistic, by the time the system is weak enough and we are strong enough to even resist in the first place, boomers will be dead and their guns already confiscated by the regime. So what is the point of any of this?

>assuming their killings wouldn't just be made to look like a robbery gone wrong.
That's the other issue. This is robbery. 
If we're not fighting for the White race as a whole, what or who are we fighting for? Are we really just a small clique of reviled people who just want power so we can become rich?
And again, targeting dying boomers is a pointless act since any rebel group worth its salt would already be armed. What this is, made obvious by the original post and yours, is primarily driven by a revenge fantasy. 
>There is nothing petty about executing traitors, let alone those who betrayed our race.
There is when the executions serve no purpose or are counter-productive.
The purpose of executions, of terror, is to achieve goals. 
If done in the initial stages of an "uprising," the uprising would fail utterly because you'd reveal yourself as dangerous thieves and terrorists uninterested in fighting the system and more interested in guns and killing. You'd get zero support from your own people and all drown in our own blood.
If done randomly after establishing ourselves as a rebel force, the same thing would happen. It would be a pointless waste of good will and instantly turn all remaining White people against us.
If done AFTER we won, what would that achieve? Boomers would probably be long dead by then anyway but if they were not, going around slaughtering old people is among the worst possible things you could do. We already will have a tough time justifying killing nigger children. But if we reveal ourselves to want to slaughter most of our own race, that will prove the jews correct and, you know, also turn most White nationalists against you. Most of us are not "signed up" to kill our own people. Were you called to answer for your actions, they would point out that you chose to carry out a war against nobodies with no power in a way that undermined our cause.
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>>7971
This too.
>>7996
>Libertarians are largely useless. But to initiate a conflict against the jews by killing our own race is idiotic. At least libertarians are not actively supporting White genocide.
Libertarians are by and large Christians and therefore jews, they die no differently than jews in my book, and they are actively supporting white genocide, have you listened to how fucking stupid they are lately? However useless you might think they are, they don't oppose the government, they oppose it's "overreach", and they certainly oppose Statists like NS of any sort, whether you think so or not they are among our enemies. Worse still they are enemies, that too many who claim the label of National Socialist think are allies in some way, they are not allies and they are not lemmings who can be left alone behind us. Even if they won't fight directly at first, they will fight against us in any way they can, including directly, if we do so much as put a toe where they don't like it.
>Yes. But none of them will join us
I don't know where I said anything about fences, but I wouldn't be killing these libertacucks to make the survivors join us, I'd be doing it to spare myself the trouble of rooting them out of my forces later, and preventing them from betraying my forces to other enemies.
>>1) Anti-White politicians, businessmen, and anyone involved in the police state, the legal system, or journalism
>>2) Underlings and systemites. NGOs, uncompromising managerial class members, key personnel who make the system function, Leftist operatives and bootlickers
>>3) Ironically, moderate non-Whites who confuse naive White people. 
>>4) Non-Whites
Cute list, but I have long agreed with only one thing Codreanu said, "If I had but one bullet and were faced by both an enemy and a traitor, I would let the traitor have it." This is the only correct attitude to have about this issue. We will gridlock and face too much internal turmoil if we have to keep unfucking the actions of traitors within our forces. Even if to do so we must let an enemy go, to clean up and eliminate traitors, it is always wise to do so before the traitor can cause greater damage than the enemy ever could.
So will you kill the traitors or will you let the traitors kill thousands more because he only cares about himself, or money, or comfort?
>The libertarians sitting in their homes are not only irrelevant to the struggle, but literally old and dying. 
Nigger, that's not true, and you know it. sure a good portion are old and soon to be dead, but many others aren't and even if they are the old and useless variety they usually have sons who will get what they have when they die.
>There is absolutely nothing to be gained from killing them except taking a bunch of weapons that are actually useless. Also, why the fuck should WE be the ones "confiscating the guns?"
Most guns these preppers and shit have are not useless by a wide margin, and if we don't take them somebody else will, who would you rather have those guns? and no there isn't an option to let ten thousand guns just sit there in one mans or even one families hands, we can worry about gun laws later(there shouldn't be any).
Why are you worried about what people think? If we have more firepower than they do what they think DOESN'T FUCKING MATTER! what's with the optics cuckery?
>This is so overwhelmingly naive. No one will be fooled. The media will already be pushing false flags of us attacking White children. Why the fuck would we give them real material?
If they're already going to fake it, why would we not do as we need to do to survive and win are you just fucking stupid? if I have to kill the kids of some white traitors, I will and there's nobody who will stop me, or they'll get shot as a traitor too.
>This whole thing is backwards. This is the mentality that leads otherwise decent White men who know how the system works to waste their lives attacking a walmart.
No it isn't, that mentality is first and foremost the mentality of the lost, and the broken, those like Payton Gendron are not fanatical National Socialists, they're broken young men who see no future for themselves and so take the lives of those they view as having done this to them.
I am sick and tired of you whiny fucks trying to use those that this system has broken and turned into weapons without any guiding principles save their hatred for those inflicting the most direct pain upon them, as if the truth about how we must be as National Socialists made them do what they did. Newsflash motherfucker, it didn't, the few most recent shooters I've heard of weren't even Nazis, and more than half were radicalized fucking trannies or shitskins with no mention of anything remotely related to Nazis.
 You're fucking stupid if you think we can work with christniggers, libertarians, and conservacucks who would betray us the moment we revealed we hated their beloved niggers, their king jew, or YE(Blessed be our nigger savior).They are all our enemies and if killing them makes people hate me, so fucking be it, I'm not a National Socialist because I want to be liked, and neither was Hitler, I am a National Socialist because it is the truth, and it is WHO I AM.
>You're thinking like a terrorist rather than an insurgent or a rebel
A TERRORIST  IS AN INSURGENT IS A REBEL, what world are you in where you have this fantasy that our fight isn't a fight of terror against a system that has a monopoly on force and opposes everything we are, down to our very fucking DNA, if we do not use terrorist tactics to scare the weak into submission and make shit worse and harder to govern, so that the system might finally fucking die, we will die out as a race, there is no other option at present, unless you can tell me where I can find a million, no even just 50 thousand, fanatical National Socialist soldiers, with every bit of supplies and equipment that will be needed for the next ten years, right now! You can't? THEN TERRORISM IT IS.


>If we're not realistic, we're just playing on the internet.
He's pointing out that retards and cowards like you constantly use realistic to make excuses and fallaciously argue like you're doing now.
>If we extend traitor to mean literally everyone not a White nationalist, then we're basically also at war with our race and our cause is hopeless. What are we even fighting for if our own people are not our misguided kinsmen?
Whit Nationalists are not National Socialists, White Nationalists are idiots who support anything they perceive as being pro-white, whether it is or not in reality.  We are in a multi-generational civil war within our race you fucking moron, this cause isn't just about whether our government is run by us or not, it's also about fighting against those who look like us and yet fight for the plight of fucking savages they chose to uplift out of the pits of India Africa and fucking Asia, they're enemies as much as a jew is, except they unlike the jew chose to fight against the interests of our race. If that makes it hopeless then I will do my best to make sure a global nuclear war happens and that nothing is left on the surface of this planet except for the wind over the ruins of what once was.
>If this is not an opening move (to seize their weapons was stated as the goal) why would we need weapons?
Do you think we will somehow have access to the HUGE chain of logistics and resources needed to field a modern Army or do you somehow not realize that things won't be some kind of peaceful transition of power where we simply take over the government and reform it? because that's exactly how you're talking, and that's not what's going to happen, not even fucking remotely.
>Either a viable insurgent group would exist and the smallarms lolberts hoard would be low value tools compared with AA weapons, explosives, and drones. Furthermore, again, being realistic, by the time the system is weak enough and we are strong enough to even resist in the first place, boomers will be dead and their guns already confiscated by the regime. So what is the point of any of this?
whether this would be an opening move or not there will always be a use for taking supplies from others, I don't care if it's a perfectly pure white fantasy lolbert family(as if they didn't all have Asian fever), they're enemies, and if I can make better use of what they have I will kill them for it, it doesn't matter if that's now or fifteen years into the collapse.
>That's the other issue. This is robbery. 
No, this is war, both within and outside of our race, there will be rape, sexual assault, torture, mutilation, executions, Men will kill their fathers, mothers, uncles, aunts, brothers, sisters, nieces, nephews, and there will be a fuckload of what modern society condemns as "war crimes", this is not a fight where anybody is coming out as a squeaky clean faggot in beautiful dress uniforms, it will be bloody, it will be terrible, and we will all do horrible shit to survive and to thrive, in the hopes that we might spare our descendants from having to experience that, probably won't succeed, but better to try than just leave it to them.
>If we're not fighting for the White race as a whole, what or who are we fighting for? Are we really just a small clique of reviled people who just want power so we can become rich?
We were never fighting for the White race as a whole, we are fighting for the Aryan race, IE, what the White race should have already birthed, and if we take power what we will both be in this world again through our actions and be birthing into this world going forward, National Socialists fight for what we can be, the future of our race, we will do whatever is necessary, even killing 90% of what is considered White today ourselves, if needs must, to make that a reality,
>And again, targeting dying boomers is a pointless act since any rebel group worth its salt would already be armed. What this is, made obvious by the original post and yours, is primarily driven by a revenge fantasy. 
Do you think rebellions are short affairs and we will somehow never need to take what somebody else has in order to keep fighting? there has never been such a rebellion and never will be, we will have to take what the weak and cowardly can provide, by force or not. you are living in a fucking fantasy thinking we won't do anything "dishonorable" in order to win, fuck you and anyone who thinks like you, because you are the morons who will get other better men killed, because you can't see what is right in front of your face.
>There is when the executions serve no purpose or are counter-productive.
>The purpose of executions, of terror, is to achieve goals. 
There is a purpose to executing traitors, it is so that they neither spread their corruption nor are able to take any action against us that endangers our people, the goal is wiping clean our race of those who oppose it from within.
>If done in the initial stages of an "uprising," the uprising would fail utterly because you'd reveal yourself as dangerous thieves and terrorists uninterested in fighting the system and more interested in guns and killing. You'd get zero support from your own people and all drown in our own blood.
Have you never read a history book? Every successful rebellion ever finished with a fuckload of bloodshed, clearing out those who would oppose the new power structure, this has never not been the case. and it is a never-ending job to be clear, have the Taliban stopped killing people yet? NO!
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>>7937
you are a fed
>>8011
>Libertarians are by and large Christians and therefore jews, they die no differently than jews in my book
We're killing all Christians now too?
Again, it seems like you'd like to kill 95% of our race.
What the hell are you even fighting for? The very reason you pronounce Libertarians inferior is that they don't stand up for their race. Yet here you are proclaiming your intent to wipe out most of our race.

>Why are you worried about what people think?
> If we have more firepower than they do what they think DOESN'T FUCKING MATTER!
This is so, so naive. I need to address this before I handle anything else. (I actually already started writing responses to individual paragraphs but deleted most of it for this)

Okay, so let's envision that you and, we'll be generous, 30 other men are engaging in an actual insurgency against the regime. I mean no disrespect, but I would wager money that you have never considered how these men would be organized and how you would subdivide them in a way that both guaranteed cell integrity in the event of an informant AND allowed actual communication between them so that they could function as a unit rather than several random groups of several men with no coherent strategy or goal. But let's ignore this.
Somehow, you have a group of wizards who communicate telepathically yet lose this ability upon capture.

So you start killing libertarians. What is the end goal? An revolutionary thinks in terms of X + Y = [regime-gets-overthrown-and-we-replace-it-with-ourselves]
Something about your writing style tells me you're absolutely one of those "let's shoot out electric transformers" types.
If not, I accept being wrong on that one.

So how does this plus killing random old White people with zero power (and taking their small-arms) lead to victory over the most despotic police state on earth?
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>>8020
>We're killing all Christians now too?
Yes. It's pretty fucking rich that you equate killing christkikes with kinslaying given that those cocksuckers are the very reason we're in such a sorry state in the first place. It ws christkikes who infected Roman society with the semitic death cult (remember that the first christkikes were indeed full-blooded kikes), it was christkikes who wormed their way into power and abolished Native European religions and cultures, it was them who forced everyone to worship the kike on a stick at sword point, it was christkikes who tortured Native European religious leaders to death, it was christkikes who desecrated holy sites, defaced statues, destroyed records of Native European folklore and smeared them as backwards savages and demon worshippers. They killed and tortured their own people by the millions and installed the eternal jew in power, destroyed so much of their own people's culture that to this day it's impossible to know just how much was lost, and forever installed a slave morality into the minds of the populace that has been poisoning our people to death generation after generation. There's millenia of blood debt still unpaid. 

Now, you might say modern christkikes "aren't that bad" or that they're pro-White. You would be telling a filthy fucking lie because if you asked any of those cockroaches what is most important to them between the future of their own people and worshipping the dead kike on a stick, they'll pick the latter every time. They'll call you satanic (a kike word, irony of ironies) for saying that one should prioritize one's own people instead of giving everything to kikes and niggers. Fuck's sake, what do you think "catholicism" means? It means a universal creed, it's literally the prototype for modern deracination and globohomo. They'll rush to kiss a nigger's feet but wish death and suffering on another White man for worshipping the dead kike in the wrong way, and that's without mentioning the murderous hateful vitriol they have for "pagans", i.e. those of us who uphold the ways and lore of our actual people instead of some scummy semitic conmen. None of this is an exaggeration, if you bring this up they will smugly sneer in your face for "worshipping your race" (like that's a bad thing or some shit) and hyuck-hyuck about how you supposedly fuck animals and eat your own shit. Most christkikes today are either against "antisemitism" or outright pro-Israel and will say they're the Chosen of G_d, when they aren't whining about muh holy land. Hell, some of them even wish for WW3 and global atomic warfare so the Chosen People can inherit the world. They're unsalvageable. They are race traitors plain and simple, even worse than miscenegators in fact on account of the sheer damage they've done to their own people.

>The very reason you pronounce Libertarians inferior is that they don't stand up for their race.
>Yet here you are proclaiming your intent to wipe out most of our race.
How convenient that you ignore the core point of anon's argument, which is the intent to kill TRAITORS AGAINST OUR RACE. Taking out fifth columns and shabbos goyim is ALWAYS a worthy pursuit, on sheer principle alone but also because were the average christkike to get off his ass and stop whining and mewling for Rabbi Yeshua to save him, if he were to take up arms, it will be to fight AGAINST US and FOR THE KIKES. It's not even a matter of optics, christkikes are hardwired to throw their bodies forward and take a bullet for the kike. They literally believe it's their duty to go die in the desert for Israel. Why are you so dishonest? Why do you omit such a crucial fact?
>>8021
>Yes. It's pretty fucking rich that you equate killing christkikes with kinslaying given that those cocksuckers are the very reason we're in such a sorry state in the first place.
Europe survived one thousand years with Christianity having no effect, religion is completely superficial. We are in the sorry state we are in now because of dysgenics. You are a great example of this.
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>>8021
>Yes. It's pretty fucking rich that you equate killing christkikes with kinslaying given that those cocksuckers are the very reason we're in such a sorry state in the first place. 
I hate Christianity.
But I am not fighting to kill White Christians. 
>the intent to kill TRAITORS AGAINST OUR RACE.
Your definition of traitor includes at least 95% of our race.
Hell, do you and I even meet your own standards? Neither of us are killing jews. 
Again, what are you even fighting for if it involves killing most of our own people?
I hope you also support a 100% extermination for all non-Whites too or the survivors of your genocide are going to quickly be overrun.
And how the hell would you even accomplish this in the first place?

Nevermind, I would like an answer to this please. >>8020
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>>7978
Ironmarch and /fascist/ have not achieved any real-life action(apart from some book reading). Safe to to say, as long as book worms are at the helms of WNs, nothing will or will ever happen. 30 years of book reading with no real life action? couldve spent said time socializing, or moving on in life away from IBs.
>>8020
First >>8021 is not me. but I'll answer your shit to him too, and i already lost an hours worth of work because my computer froze so I'm going to be short and to the point.
>We're killing all Christians now too?
Always were, It's in the name National Socialist, if you think you are an ally or even claim to be NS and can tolerate even the mere presence of a christnigger, then you are an enemy and you too are on the shitlist.
>Again, it seems like you'd like to kill 95% of our race.
If that is what must be, it shall be, but don't and pretend we're gonna leave shitskins whether they be jews or otherwise alone, that is not and never was the case, I, at least advocate for Ethnoglobalism, ie the complete extermination of all inferior races. worldwide, without exception or mercy
>What the hell are you even fighting for? The very reason you pronounce Libertarians inferior is that they don't stand up for their race. Yet here you are proclaiming your intent to wipe out most of our race.
I told you like 8 times in my last post, but I'll say it again.
Nstional Socialists, do not fight for what is, and preserving as much of it as possible, we are not conservatives, we are revolutionaries, and not your milquetoast "revolutionaries" that simply seek to take over what is standing now. OH fuck no, we seek the absolute and merciless destruction of the current order. Not just the buildings, no, nor the racial invaders on our soil. No we seek to destroy and uproot everything, from morality as it stands in the public consciousness today to the putrid stain of christianity across our entire race, and the likes of every shitskin who has ever fucking lived, whether in our countries or not. if we have to kill 95% of our race because they oppose what must be done, then, SO BE IT!
>This is so, so naive. I need to address this before I handle anything else. 
nowhere below do you even begin to point out my naivety in any way, and as a matter of fact before my computer said fuck you bye bye post I had a long explanation of many things about how I would operate completely ignoring your moronic post except for the numbers with when I take action, but I have no patience to rewrite it now nor do I have the patience to entertain your idiocy, when you don't even point out what you claim.
The few things I will bother saying are: The end goal of killing lolberts, that are only your specific niche of the wide breadth of those who call themselves such, is mostly done when supplies are needed and the quickest and best way of acquiring them is to take from those who have far more than they need, this doersn't necessiotate killing them, true, but why leave behind a witness who will almost surely report it to the police or feds the moment you're gone. and if done after government go bye bye, why leave someone behind who can find others to try and take their shit back? This, if you had bothered actually reading what I wrote before was never going to be the opening move, you complete moron. It would only have anything to do with the event or action or whatever you wish to call it, that might kick off SHTF if and only if we had already used what we could acquire before hand and needed to desperately acquire supplies while being hunted or if they somehow just magically knew what we were doing and attempted to stop us.
As for how I would start the SHTF, I will never tell anyone on any electronic media, you want to know? Come to my door, but if you were to come to my house, don't expect to leave alive.
>>8022
Just because we survived iit doesn't mean, it wasn't doing harm, christianity especially is one of the prime causes of the  dysgenics you decry and falsely apply to me. The very fact that you could say that incredibly stupid and ignorant statement proves you know literally fucking nothing about the history of our race, and as such you are not worth engaging beyond this.
>>8024
>I hate Christianity.
No you don't, the most you do is disagree with it, or you wouldn't still be following the moral programming your parents either did themselves or had done to you, it's transparent and oozes out of every fucking putrid word you type, if you actually hated it, you would have done as I and many other NS did and ripped that shit out of yourself, and replaced it with the true values, beliefs and morality of our people.
>But I am not fighting to kill White Christians. 
Then I cannot wait to see them stab retards just like you, right in the fucking back, that is what will happen and choosing to remove it and actively destroy it, is the only way to stop that from happening.
>Your definition of traitor includes at least 95% of our race.
So? a collapse occurring, which will be very rapid compared to the past will take care of most of it for us
>Hell, do you and I even meet your own standards? Neither of us are killing jews. 
Irrelevant,  and even if my or the other anon's standards required that, why would either of us tell you?
>Again, what are you even fighting for if it involves killing most of our own people?
Yes, because this has been a civil war going back about two thousand years that those who wish for our race to survive, thrive, and evolve into what we are meant to be are currently on the losing side of.
>I hope you also support a 100% extermination for all non-Whites too or the survivors of your genocide are going to quickly be overrun.
Obviously that is the case, probably for both of us. but, even if they could be a threat the traitors would still come first, an enemy within, is far worse than one without.
>And how the hell would you even accomplish this in the first place?
Who said we had to do anything for a long while? in the event of a catastrophic power loss, whether natural ie sunspots/solarflares/etc. or man made, 90% of the current population will be dead in less than a year, from various causes of death but the majority will probably be exposure, and starvation, followed by violence.
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>>8029
> if we have to kill 95% of our race because they oppose what must be done, then, SO BE IT!
Surely you realize that most people reading stuff like this assume you're either a fed or roleplaying?
>we seek the absolute and merciless destruction of the current order. 
Yes, but why?
And how will you do that when you have openly stated that your objective is to kill most of our own race? No one is going to help you and, given what you have stated, the best interests of 95% or even more of our own race, nevermind jews and shitskins is to side with jews to destroy you. You've given your own race no option but to side with jews or die. I mean, sure, technically they could join you but no one will because everyone will just consider you a deranged, unreasoning lunatic.

>nowhere below do you even begin to point out my naivety in any way
I would like to know what your goal is first so I can explain how intentionally turning everyone against it will not further your objectives.

>The end goal of killing lolberts, is mostly done when supplies are needed 
>why leave someone behind who can find others to try and take their shit back?
Firstly, no one will be under any illusion who did this. Especially since the media will be working closely with the FBI.
Secondly, so obviously you shouldn't reveal anything about yourself or any plans (which, I will be blunt, I don't believe you will do.) The issue is that you, I suspect, have thought a bit about tactics but not much about strategy. Again, a revolutionary must consider the ultimate goal: Winning. I read lots of fire and bloodshed in your posts. Is that the goal? Killing? That's not a strategy.
Again I ask: How will intentionally pissing off the vast majority of your own race lead to you being in a position to kill them all?

Also, as an aside, your weapons gathering strategy sounds like a brigand, not a revolutionary. A lot of literature has been written about this from real revolutionaries, including Dr. William Pierce, and they all stress against doing this.
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>>8032
>>8029
Your rage is justified. But rage without strategy is pointless waste. I hope that you don't end up shooting up a walmart. If you do choose the iron path, think long and hard about consequences (not for you but for the struggle) for a year or you'll end up accomplishing nothing but feeding the system and further sabotaging serious revolutionaries' efforts to overthrow the jews.

Shooting up a walmart is not a serious revolutionary act. It's just empty rage.
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>>8032
>Surely you realize that most people reading stuff like this assume you're either a fed or roleplaying?
No fed would ever say that probably not even insincerely, their goals are to make you say or reveal things, not to tell you what to say and if that fails to literally just make shit up, if they did come here they wouldn't get anything from any actual fucking denizen of this board which you are clearly not.
 I am not roleplaying either and who are you to presume that I have ever cared what anyone else thought? why would it matter to me if they disagreed or not? my beliefs and  what I choose are for me to decide, not you nor anyone else.
>Yes, but why?
I have stated this CLEARLY several times already I will not do so again.
>And how will you do that when you have openly stated that your objective is to kill most of our own race
Why tell you and waste my time doing so? why give anyone who may or may not be an enemy any fucking idea as to what I plan to do in any fucking way?
>No one is going to help you and, given what you have stated, the best interests of 95% or even more of our own race, nevermind jews and shitskins is to side with jews to destroy you.
Funny then you complete fucking retard that one of the biggest reasons reason I hold the position I do is BECAUSE THEY ALREADY DID SIDE WITH MY ENEMY BEFORE I EVEN KNEW I WAS A NAZI! I didn't come to these positions to be fucking edgy, I did it first because they were the correct answer to the questions I asked of the universe, I reasoned, argued and clawed my way to the truth through every fucking retard coming at me whining and crying about all the poor little white people who are going to die many of whom argued that hitler was wronmg bnecauser he's jewish(false), or he killed 55million whites(only tangentially) if you blame him for the war, which no sane rational person could ever actually fucking do as he took every step and every measure to AVOID and what did his enemies, whom he treated and thought of as BROTHERS do? that's right they started a fucking war, brought in every single power on earth that wasn't in the axis or supported by the axis to use as a distraction and crushed Germany, not for themsleves but for the jew! Did you somehow not think that the loss of the war, which was a loss for any and every single White, who had even an iota of Aryan spirit left on the face of the planet, was not a lesson, that nothing could be learned from it. I tell you what spoke to me as I read Mein Kampf again after I came to this point, it showed me that the man who wrote that book believed almost exactly what I believe now, unlike him, I do not have the luxury of being nice, lying and sugarcoating what I seek to do, There are just under 200 million of our people left on this earth, at a bare minimum, we need 1 million people, assuming a 50:50 gender split, to preserve our genetic diversity as a race as it stands now, that's the bottom line and if we have to go even lower, we have to, what we have to do. Lets underscore just how bad shit is though, the best projections for the planet, if say electricity were to fail worldwide, and be impossible to repair within any reasonable time frame( which is very possible with a strong enough solar flare or storm) is that somewhere in the area of 90% of the population of the planet would be dead in less than a year, so we're looking at about  20 milion whites left on earth give or take a few million, how many of us would be among that number? Maybe 2 and a half million? we'd still be outnumbered by more than ten to one, by traitors, not even mentioning the shitskins, and both you and I know whether you want to admit it or not that Christians will not work with Nazis, not even the much vaunted CI tards, and even if they did work with us, it would be for no reason other than to use us until they could stab us in the back, I've heard it straight out of the mouths of far too many christniggers, and especially CI's. The same can be said of christianity's bastard children the Liberals, the Commies and the Libertarians, and all the other christian moralists out there.
>I would like to know what your goal is first so I can explain how intentionally turning everyone against it will not further your objectives.
I've told you at least 7 times, I really, really hate repeating myself, and I assure whatever bullshit you're gonna try to pull out, it isn't going to work, the odds that I directly refute the central point or will point out that already refuted what you will say, are very very high.
>Firstly, no one will be under any illusion who did this. Especially since the media will be working closely with the FBI.
For the last time it does not matter what the people are told, if they believe the lies of the enemy and choose to act against us they are the enemy, this is not a difficult thing to understand, not even remotely. Ignorance isn't an excuse, cowardice is not an excuse, it does not matter what they know or don't, if they cannot kill all of us in one fell swoop they will fail, and we will win eventually, and even if we cannot win, I'll refer to Savitri Devi and her quote on nuclear fire as to whether we'd make sure it all went up in smoke or not, we are not here to save a race or any member of it which hates us, that includes our own, I don't give a fuck if it's your sister your brother your mother or father or my own, if they stand against me, I will kill them, and I am far from the only National socialist to think this and I assure you this is what Hitler believed as well, he just couched it in pretty language and sought to do it over time, unfortunately he failed and we don't have any luxury remaining.
>The issue is that you, I suspect, have thought a bit about tactics but not much about strategy
I have thought about strategy and in strategy there is zero parts that gives a fuck about what people might think about what actions must be taken strategy is only concerning what is the most effective way to do what must be done. I don't care and it is not relevant, nor will it ever be, as to what the media will say, nor is it relevant what lemmings believe, because the lemmings do as they are told and think as they are told to think by the most powerful people around whether they are comfortable or not, so long as they are safe.
>Is that the goal? Killing? That's not a strategy.
How many fuicking times are you going to ask the question I have already answered repeatedly and in how many different ways? You gonna continue to be fucking oblivious until you are removed from this board?
 >How will intentionally pissing off the vast majority of your own race lead to you being in a position to kill them all?
Why do you keep being the dumbest most optimistic fucking idiot? When the nazi's are able to march there will no longer be a media to manipulate the lemmings, and even if(big if) there is, the lemmings will not listen because the government is no longer airing the circuses (niggerball, etc,) and providing all their bread, aka comforts of any sort whether food or not, get that through your fucking skull, the system worldwide has been designed for 80 years to suppress National Socialists, while continuing it's mission to kill all white people, do you really think we'll march and undertake what needs to be done when it is most disadvantageous for us to do so, no, those of us who can remain strong and stay sane through their shit designed to make us insane bide our time, prepare as best we can, and let the road lead where it may, because chaos benefits us and furthers our goals at present until we can act and proceed from there.
>Dr. William Pierce, and they all stress against doing this.
I can assure you Pierce didn't care, this has always and will always be done by revolutionaries, and "legitimate" armies alike, even if he talked against doing so in The Turner Diaries, which I don't recall at all, and wouldn't be out of the norm for a book designed to recruit people, nor do I remember it in any of his radio shows that I've watched, even if so, it doesn't matter, even the Germans stole supplies from enemies and neutrals and their own people alike when they had to, because it is necessary in war, always has been, I'm just adding killing any of those who oppose our cause when we need to do so, as a matter of course, it does not do to leave an enemy ,let alone a traitor alive and that I know for certain Pierce agreed with me on.
>>8033
the next time you confuse passion for rage, or accuse me of not thinking or being able to think just because my soul is filled with the rage of the gods, you'll be the first target of my rage, I chose the "iron path" as you call it almost half a decade ago because it was the only way to go. I have thought longer and harder than your puny mind can comprehend as to why this must be done the way I have said repeatedly, I have never once fucking said I was going to, nor intimated that I would, nor thought to, nor encouraged anyone else to go and shoot up a Walmart, if you bring that example up again as if that is what anyone actually fucking means when they say violence is necessary and say that the level and brutality of violence that is necessary would make your faint little heart break. I'm fairly certain you will be banned, Orlog has banned better than you for being traitors who cannot even bother to read an essay of 88 precepts and follow the advice therein.
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>>8021
It's fine to hate them but don't be excessive. You don't need to kill them unless they openly oppose you. Most of them are mere followers and will not turn out to be obstacles. Convert their sons and daughters. That's what the Germans were doing in the late 30s, in a country that was almost 100% Christian. Outside of the US and perhaps some Latin and Eastern countries in Europe, Christianity is a dying creed. It will be easier to get rid of it in due time. The problem right now is the lack of a religious alternative, a sort of White islam but full of 100% pagan and White stuff. Now, understand that Muhammad didn't have anything like an organized religion when he did what he did, assuming he ever existed. He certainly was seconded by a few smart people and there is no doubt that Islam was a serious attempt at correcting the errors and contextual limits of Christianity in the Middle East. However it kept these people anchored to Semitism which is something we cannot tolerate so we will have to work on this.
>>8034
The both of you write way too much and I am sure neither of you could hold a proper discourse face to face.
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>>8034
>No fed would ever say that...their goals are to make you say or reveal thing
I don't believe that you are a fed. However, among the goals of the enemy is to convince White men to commit meaningless crimes which they can arrest us for. 
>I have stated this CLEARLY several times
I disagree. You have told me that this is just a tactic to acquire weapons. There are many, far less harmful ways to acquire weapons. I'm asking how this tactic, which is 100% guaranteed to align virtually our entire race behind the very regime we must defeat, will lead to victory.

Furthermore, you say in more or less words that after we win, we will move on to exterminate basically all White people, leaving only those of us who fought the regime at the start alive. How will you even accomplish this with a miniscule number of intensely despised people even if you managed to somehow destroy ZOG. Without public support, your force would be no better than a moderately sized (at best) street gang. It's as if you took the NPC meme a little too seriously and believe that you're the main character in an Anime or action game.

Finally, it is obvious from your explanation that acquiring weapons is secondary to punishing those whom you, correctly, blame for the dominance of the jews.
Thus, the overall gyst of what you're saying is that 95% or more of our race is the enemy because they're traitors and we need to kill them all in retaliation.

> unlike Hitler, I do not have the luxury of being nice, lying and sugarcoating what I seek to do
Unfortunately, you are in a far worse situation than Hitler was. You have zero power to enforce anything. Proclaiming your intention to kill most White people is not going to fix this.
>we need 1 million people, to preserve our genetic diversity
Proclaiming that we're going to murder most White people is not going to be very effective at getting those 1 million Whites.

>If they're not with us, they're against us
Explain how we go from totally powerless to controlling the entire world while actively trying to help the jews mobilize our own race against us. You go around killing random Whites and that's it, revolution over. The entire point of a revolution is to harness the power of an aggrieved population against the regime. Without popular support of at least a significant minority of our people, we will be utterly powerless forever.

>I have thought about strategy and it doesn't matter what people think about us
Fine, then articulate how one goes from powerless nobodies to masters of the earth while actively making sure that our population unites behind the jews in order to survive.

> When the nazi's are able to march there will no longer be a media to manipulate the lemmings
You never explain how we go from not even being able to influence a school board meeting to masters of the world.
>We knock out electricity so they can't watch niggerball
Dude... if you're literally going to murder 95% of White people, knocking out power doesn't make them like you. It gives them more time to kill you.
And since they will all want to kill you, what is the point of knocking out power in the first place?
Think.

>for 80 years to suppress National Socialists, while continuing it's mission to kill all white people
That's your goal too though. Why do you even care about the jews killing White people when you also want to do this?

>this has always and will always be done by revolutionaries
That's hopelessly naive to the point of delusion. No, revolutionaries do not try to wipe out their own core group.
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>>8034
>the next time you confuse passion for rage, or accuse me of not thinking or being able to think just because my soul is filled with the rage of the gods, you'll be the first target of my rage,
LMAO
This fucking guy.

>I never said shoot up a walmart
You literally stated that you'd like to wipe out most of your own race. That's even more asinine than shooting up a walmart. At least Crusias was targeting spics. You're literally trying to target White people. wtf
>>8039
If I only had more time, I'd write less.
The problem with AIB format is that a lot is said and it's difficult to respond succinctly to a huge array of ideas and arguments.

Simply put: No, murdering our own people is not how we gain power.
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It is pointless to fret about having to kill White people in our struggle, counterproductive even. Million of policemen are White, and they have no compunction about enforcing the System's nightmarish dystopia. Europe has plenty of White cops, and they either worked to cover up the mass rape of hundreds of thousands of children of their own nations and arrest the grieving parents, all to safeguard their own paychecks. There are some who didn't actively cooperate but they're irrelevant, they kept quiet for fear of their own livelihood. The USA has plenty of White federal agents who are perfectly content to arrest and kill their own kinsmen simply because those are their orders and that's what they get paid for. Millions of White soldiers utterly destroyed Germany in WWII, because they were told to. Millions of White civilians go and snitch on their own neighbors (sometimes their own families) for whatever random thing the System considers bad goy behavior, because they've been conditioned to see us as "evil terrorists" and to refuse to see race due to decades of brainwashing. And don't get me started on the White businessmen, politicians, and other bigwigs that directly cooperate with the kikes, selling out their own people and their future as a race for selfish personal gain.

It's grim, it's awful, it's unpleasant, but it's an immutable reality any WN has to internalize, or we'll never get out of our rut. If one side of a war hesitates to shoot because the other side is mostly made of kinsmen, they will lose because their opponents have no such compunctions.

Does this mean one should kill indiscriminately? No. But countless Whites will die as a result of our actions, whether because they're meat shields to the kikes, or as collateral damage. We won't always have a perfect vantage point with a peach of a shot to take out a US senator, for example. More than once we'll have to go through their security detail, though all the White meat shields protecting them. And taking out police stations, government offices or military facilities (to say nothing of dockyards, power plants, airports, etc.) will incur collateral damage in the form of White civilians. It's unavoidable. Similarly, many servants of the System will have to be killed even if they're White. Cops will patrol the streets looking for us and move to arrest us, so they have to be killed. Soldiers will be deployed to kills us, so they have to be fought off. Snitching neighbors have to be silenced. Even an otherwise innocent electrician or night watchman might have to be killed during a clandestine operation simply because they're a potential witness. The moral repugnance of being a race traitor aside, from a purely pragmatic standpoint lots of Whites will be in antagonistic roles and they will have to be taken out, or we'll lose the struggle. It's not easy, but if we want to abide by the Fourteen Words, we'll have to spill a lot of our own people's blood, because the enemy will have no hesitation in spilling ours.

But the faggot demoralizer in this thread is arguing in bad faith, so all he's gonna get from this post is "lul go shoot random people at walmart"
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>>8045
>Simply put: No, murdering our own people is not how we gain power.
That's where you're 100% wrong, it will be an absolute necessity, whether you whine like a bitch, as you are now, or not.
>>8043
>However, among the goals of the enemy is to convince White men to commit meaningless crimes which they can arrest us for
You mean like the nationwide, RICO qualifying Vandalism campaign of Patriot Front? Yeah about that you'd be absolutely right, you are not correct about any shooter, so long as they took the life of even one shitskin or traitor, they erased a life the system values, and prevented those people from going on to do further harm to our race.
>I disagree
I told you the answer multiple fucking times, it's a way to acquire weapons, first and foremost, and also a variety of other operational supplies including food, medical supplies, ammunition, and depending on when it has to be done and what we have behind us, possibly building supplies, construction equipment, and many other useful things at just one of these preppers houses.
Almost every one of them is ideologically, morally, and religiously in opposition to National Socialists and you think it's a good idea to let them live just because they're White?  are you a moron, once again? I'm not going to negotiate with someone who has betrayed the race their entire life just because they share a similar origin to me, not only is that naive, it's also a bad move strategically and tactically.
It is in no way guaranteed to turn anyone against us, even if the fact that we did it were ever to leave the place it occurred, which is incredibly unlikely, at least in my case, I would leave no witnesses, and no evidence that it was National Socialists specifically, certainly not if there was no reason to leave said evidence. It's like you think the kikes and government are omniscient and will have footage of everything we do, and be able to transmit that to every single White worldwide simultaneously. You also act as if we weren't already fighting with pretty much our entire race arrayed against us from the start, because we are and have been since around 1938.
>Furthermore, you say in more or less words that after we win, we will move on to exterminate basically all White people, leaving only those of us who fought the regime at the start alive.
 I never said that. We will be cleaning house, to the entire race, from eliminating dysgenic nightmares, to ideological dissidents, every form of traitor or undesirable to a Eugenic society will be dealt with in an appropriate manner, both while we fight and once we have destroyed what we must and while we rebuild, and basically until the end of time, or until our reborn Aryan society undergoes another upheaval somewhere further into the future, whichever comes first.
>How will you even accomplish this with a miniscule number of intensely despised people even if you managed to somehow destroy ZOG.
That's our fucking starting point, and it's not going to change until people learn that we should be feared and decide not pissing us off is far better than the alternative, regardless I Intend to take my best shot and if that means I'll be soaked in more blood than Genghis Khan, so be it.
 I will not compromise just to get more people on my side, because I am not an idiot, I am not a coward, and I follow the advice of those who came before, because we can see that so many of them who gave that advice, later chose not to follow it, and that failure to follow that advice directly led to their failure, and that includes Hitler. 
The last bit about NPC's, apparently you don't realize that what the meme conveys originated with Dr. Pierce and it was called the lemming theory, and so far it has not been remotely proven to be wrong, although the modern form was flanderized and stolen by conservacucks and applied to leftists more-so than themselves and the population at large.
>Thus, the overall gyst of what you're saying is that 95% or more of our race is the enemy because they're traitors and we need to kill them all in retaliation.
it's gist btw and yeah, although I highly doubt that killing all of them would be strictly necessary, but that would be why one would create methods with which to identify those who can be made of use and those who can't, remember we're National Socialists not conservatives.
>Unfortunately, you are in a far worse situation than Hitler was. You have zero power to enforce anything. Proclaiming your intention to kill most White people is not going to fix this.
Holy shit, you begin to see why such drastic measure might be necessary! I don't give a fuck whether they know or not, if they somehow missed the memo, that's not my problemm one's own ignorance is their own problem, this intention has been spelled out in pretty much every piece of NS literature there is.
>Proclaiming that we're going to murder most White people is not going to be very effective at getting those 1 million Whites.
It doesn't seem to have any effect on christniggers at all, they regularly expound on killing everyone who doesn't fit their perfect mould, and that's directly one of the reasons their moronic religion survived from it's origin in Gamaliel, Paul, and Mark's minds.
>Explain how we go from totally powerless to controlling the entire world while actively trying to help the jews mobilize our own race against us
Explain where I said I wanted the whole world in my lifetime? I mean if I'm incredibly lucky, blessed with every ounce of aid the gods and our ancestors can provide, and get everything just perfectt, it might be possible, but =I'm not counting on it, a state of our own from where we can build up and then go on to finish the job completely over the course of several generations is fine by me because I will make sure that it will go on to do just that if it's even remotely possible, and it's not just remotely possible.
The government is pissing off the populace and destroying itself just fine on it's own, once it goes down the entire world will follow it into chaos, and that chaos is where we will jockey for power, kill our enemies, traitors, every single shitskin in sight, etc., etc.. You're a moron for thinking it's not going to be bloodier than you can imagine, It'll probably even be worse than I can Imagine, and I'm imagining a lot of blood.
Right now there's probably 2 or 3 million people in the US alone who think like me, and would gladly join me in killing whomever we need to, because unlike all our enemies we know that violence is the way to the end and we are more than willing to bathe in blood if that's what it takes, and it is. Even considering the possibility that most of them will die, it's still likely to be more than million left, NS tend to be much more likely to survive, and if you compromise for women you're even dumber, their voluntary participation is not even remotely required, nor is it particularly desired with how corrupted by feminism they are today.
>Fine, then articulate how one goes from powerless nobodies to masters of the earth while actively making sure that our population unites behind the jews in order to survive.
It's been spelled out too many times, but if I have a better trained, more willing to kill, more brutal fighting force than my enemy and I kill all of them no matter what method I must use to do so, what does it matter? I can't possibly spell out every single details of the future, nor would I, if I could.
>You never explain how we go from not even being able to influence a school board meeting to masters of the world.
Killing everyone who opposes us, taking whatever we want and must to do that, by whatever means we must, and then when we're done, oh holy shit the worlds ours!, how hard is it to understand? this is the same method literally everyone else will use, and has always used, from the ancient times to now.
>Dude... if you're literally going to murder 95% of White people, knocking out power doesn't make them like you
Never said i was going to, also never said it wouldd, and I don't care if it were to make it worse, but pray tell how they find out we, or whoever, did it, if the TV, and the internet and pretty much every single modern convenience of the last 200 or so years isn't going to work for months or even years? I highly doubt stability would remain long enough for them to begin to investigate,  and even if they all somehow magically had solar power, or something similar, if the news doesn't have power, and the government is so poorly managed and staffed as it is now, how would anyone know? Never mind that Sol, could take it all away far more permanently than man, in moments, at any time with less than 8 minutes of warning?
>And since they will all want to kill you, what is the point of knocking out power in the first place?
As repeatedly stated, and you seem to be completely oblivious to, they already do want to kill us, so why would we not create chaos if we had the opportunity, and literally force the shit to collapse, then fight and kill until we can create what we want?
>That's your goal too though. Why do you even care about the jews killing White people when you also want to do this?
No, my goal is to kill all non-whites on the planet, and clean up the White race as best can be done, so that it can grow far stronger and more Aryan than it ever has been, this does not require saving dysgenic fucks, cowards, traitors, or even worthless lemmings, Quit acting like it does or that their opinions on anything even matter.
>That's hopelessly naive to the point of delusion. No, revolutionaries do not try to wipe out their own core group.
Tell that to Castro, Trotsky, Lenin, Mao, and so on. They did exactly that, as did Hitler, Plenty of political prisoners were purely German and many were executed, honestly he might have been able to win if he had taken it further, alas he let too many traitors stay in the ranks of the Wermacht and in various government positions who fucked him and Germany itself over.
>You literally stated that you'd like to wipe out most of your own race
Yep, those are the demands of National Socialism and of the Natural Law we seek to follow, don't like it? Leave.
They were always a target of NS, it is not now, and never was, about saving the White race that exists now as a whole, it's about making it better, it's diseased and full of weakness, greed, dysgenic monstrosities, the corruption of a foreign religion designed by our enemies, prey tell why waste time and effort trying to change their ways peacefully and garner their sympathy when killing them is so much more expedient and wastes far less resources?
>>8039
This has always been the case on /fascist/, you don't belong.
>>8046
Pro-tip: quit talking about White Nationalists, many of them are not actually allies of NS or Fascists, and are traitors cloaking themselves in pro-white talking point's to slip under the radar, or bilk us out of money, case in point The Right Stuff, etc..
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An except from The Turner Diaries. Relevant to the current conversation.

>October 28. Last night I had to do the most unpleasant thing that I have been called to do since joining the Organization four years ago. I participated in the execution of a mutineer.
>Harry Powell was Unit 5's leader. Last week, when Washington Field Command gave his unit the assignment of assassinating two of the most obnoxious and outspoken advocates of racial mixing in this area-a priest and a rabbi, coauthors of a widely publicized petition to Congress requesting special tax advantages for racially mixed marned couples - Powell refused the assignment. He sent a message back to WFC saying that he was opposed to the further use of violence and that his unit would not participate in any acts of terrorism.
>He was immediately placed under arrest, and yesterday one representative from each unit under WFC-including Unit S- was summoned to judge him. Unit 10 was not able to send anyone, and so 11 members-eight men and three women- met with an officer from WFC in the basement storeroom of a gift shop owned by one of our "legals." I was Unit l 's representative.
>The officer from WFC stated the case against Powell very briefly. The Unit 5 representative then confirmed the facts: Powell had not only refused to obey the assassination order, but he had instructed the members of his unit not to obey either. Fortunately, they had not allowed themselves to be subverted by him.
>Powell was then given an opportunity to speak in his behalf. He did so for more than two hours, interrupted occasionally by a question from one of us. What he said really shook me, but it made our decision easier for all of us, I am sure. Harry Powell was, in essence, a "responsible conservative." The fact that he was not only a member of the Organization but had become a unit leader reflects more on the Organization than it does on him. His basic complaint was that all our acts of terror against the System were only making things worse by "provoking" the System into taking more and more repressive measures.
>Well, of course, we all understood that! Or, at least, I thought we all understood it. Apparently Powell didn't. That is, he didn't understand that one of the major purposes of political terror, always and everywhere, is to force the authorities to take reprisals and to become more repressive, thus alienating a portion of the population and generating sympathy for the terrorists. And the other purpose is to create unrest by destroying the population's sense of security and their belief in the invincibility of the government.
>As Powell continued talking, it became clearer and clearer that he was a conservative, not a revolutionary. He talked as if the whole purpose of the Organization were to force the System to institute certain reforms, rather than to destroy the System, root and branch, and build something radically and fundamentally different in its place.
>He was opposed to the System because it taxed his business too heavily. (He had owned a hardware store before we were forced underground.) He was opposed to the System's permissiveness with Blacks, because crime and rioting were bad for business. He was opposed to the System's confiscation of firearms, because he felt he needed a gun for personal security. His were the motivations of a libertarian, the sort of self-centered individual who sees the basic evil in government as a limitation on free enterprise.
>Someone asked him whether he had forgotten what the Organization has repeated over and over, namely, that our struggle is to secure the future of our race, and that the issue of individual freedom is subordinate to that one, overwhelming purpose. His retort was that the Organization's violent tactics are benefiting neither our race nor individual freedom.
>This answer proved again that he didn't really understand what we are trying to do. His initial approval of the use of force against the System was based on the naive assumption that, by God, we'll show those bastards! When the System, instead of backing down, began tightening the screws even faster, he decided that our policy of terrorism is counter-productive.
>He simply could not accept the fact that the path to our goal cannot be a retracing of our course to some earlier stage in our history, but must instead be an overcoming of the present and a forging ahead into the future-with us choosing the direction instead of the System. Until we have torn the rudder out of its grasp and thrown the System overboard, the ship of state will go careening on its hazardous way. There will be no stopping, no going back. Since we are already among rocks and shoals, we are bound to get scraped up pretty badly before we find any clear sailing.
>Maybe he was right that our tactics are wrong; the reaction of the people will eventually answer that question. But his whole attitude, his whole orientation was wrong. As I listened to Powell I was reminded of the late-19th century writer, Brooks Adams, and his division of the human race into two classes: spiritual man and economic man. Powell was the epitome of economic man.
>Ideologies, ultimate purposes, the fundamental contradiction between the System's world view and ours-all these things had no meaning for him. He regarded the Organization's philosophy as just so much ideological flypaper designed to catch recruits for us. He saw our struggle against the System as a contest for power and nothing more. If we could not whip them, then we should
try to force them to compromise with us.
>I wondered how many others in the Organization thought the way Powell did, and I shuddered. We have been forced to grow too quickly. There has not been sufficient time to develop in all our people the essentially religious attitude toward our purpose and our doctrines which would have prevented the Powell incident by screening him out early.
>As it was, we had no real choice in deciding Powell's fate. There was not only his disobedience to consider, but also the fact that he had revealed himself to be fundamentally unreliable. To have one of us-and a unit leader, at that-talking openly to other members about trying to find a way to compromise with the System, with the war just beginning… There was only one way to deal with such a situation.
>The eight male members present drew straws, and three of us, including me, ended up on the execution squad. When Powell realized that he was going to be killed, he tried to make a break. We tied his hands and feet, and then we had to gag him when he began shouting. We drove him to a wooded area off the highway about 10 miles south of Washington, shot him, and buried him. I got back a little after midnight, but I still haven't been able to get to sleep. I am very, very depressed.
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>>8046
I never said or implied that no Whites should be harmed. Traitors should die.
However, the topic of discussion boils down to 
>AT LEAST 95% of our race are traitors because they are not fighting back today.
>therefore, they should all die.
Anon has articulated these points multiple times. Everyone from libertarians to Christians. Nevermind, I presume, every last liberal and neutral.
This is pure foolishness.

>all he's gonna get from this post is "lul go shoot random people at walmart"
If your position is that we should execute 95% of our race, that is quite literally what you are advocating.
ffs, he literally states that EVEN WHITE NATIONALISTS are going to get the axe.
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>>8052
It is not very related to the conversation. In this story, Pierce is talking about a weak willed libertarian in the Organization. Nowhere in the Turner Diaries does Pierce advocate making our goal the near extermination of our own race, as anon advises.
The Organization doesn't target Christians or Libertarians in their homes. And Pierce even discusses exactly what anon is talking about doing in the first or second chapter and concludes that White insurgents should NOT rob our own people for money, weapons, or supplies due to the exact reasons I cite.
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>>8048
>I have a better trained, more willing to kill, more brutal fighting force than my enemy and I kill all of them no matter what method I must use to do so
Firstly, lol. No, anon. You are not going to kill billions of people on your own or even if you did have a sizeable squad of terrorists behind you. No matter how smart or skilled they are, you will suffer casualties over time. With no ability to recruit more to your cause (since everyone correctly views you as an existential threat), your starting force of 30 whittles down to 9 over time.
Every single person in America will report your every mistake to the FBI since you revealed your intention to kill them and their children.

>Explain where I said I wanted the whole world in my lifetime?
I mean, that's your goal regardless. You will not even get to kill all the Whites in America you don't like without power, nevermind the world. You won't even get to kill all the Whites in your state you don't like without political power. Genocide on the scale you lust after is impossible without a state under your full control. Which, btw, is impossible given that no one will ever help you and everyone will try to kill you and with good reason.

>I will rise to power in the chaos.
You will not because you revealed that you'll kill everyone everyone will help anyone but you.

>You're a moron for thinking it's not going to be bloodier than you can imagine
You are severely mistaken. You think I am a pacifist. I am anything but. I am far more serious than you are about this. That is why I find your silly notions about killing nobodies for petty revenge to be laughable. 
You have not thought about this seriously so you are not bloodier than I am by any standard, not that this is a brag. You talk loud but there's no strategy behind your urges. I want White men in power. 

>there's probably 2 or 3 million people in the US alone who think like me,
Well, that's unfounded. Where do you get the notion that 2 million men want to wipe out our own race save for a few million?

>Killing everyone who opposes us
With what army? You have none.
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>>8056
>>8048
To expand a little bit, if you had 30 of the best trained terrorists in history, you would still have nowhere near 0.000000001% of the forces needed to exterminate most of the planet including most White people.
In order to gain the forced to exterminate most White people, you would need to recruit more White people.
But no one is going to join you because you want to exterminate most White people.

Catch 22.

Revise your policy on genociding most White people.
>>8048
>This has always been the case on /fascist/, you don't belong.
Are you convincing yourself that you have achieved something meaningful with far reaching repercussions just because you merely unleashed kilobytes of text upon an obscure image board?
Big Brain Little Arms syndrome. Do you want to vent forever?
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>>8054
>Traitors should die
>Everyone from libertarians to Christians
Exactly, however you presume too much, and also mischaracterize why Christians should be killed, Libertarians are almost always christian as well so the distinction is largely moot.
All christians should be killed and the religion wiped from the planet for it's 200 year history of nothing but harm to our Race, spiritually, physically and mentally, it cannot coexist with us, not any longer you can cry all you like but this is absolutely necessary, if we let christianity continue to exist it will lead to our extinction, sure we could delay it but with these automatic traitors who whish to serve a jewish king for eternity among our numbers, progress to our goal would eventually stall and we would end up back here again.
As for neutrals? who's neutral? Atheists who cling to christian moral programming even stronger than many christians do? The leftist morons on the streets? the cowardly conservacuck christniggers hiding in their safe white suburban neighborhoods all over the country while they vote for politicians deadset on selling them out for the mexicans/guatemalans/el salvadorians/etcs they hire to clean their homes or that they have continued to replace experienced expensive white workers for?
You're also straw manning again like a faggot
If your position is that we should execute 95% of our race, that is quite literally what you are advocating.
>ffs, he literally states that EVEN WHITE NATIONALISTS are going to get the axe.
My position is that no betrayer shall espace if that nbecessitates the death of 95% of the Whites on the planet, so be it, that's still leaves about 20 million of our people to continue the race, which is much more workable than you think and even if you only spent sixty years shoring up numbers, you could have more than recovered back to pre purge numbers in that time with a simple policy like Hitler's on encouraging kids, a minimum of 4 per family repeated for 3 generations would be well beyond what one would require.
>>8056
>Firstly, lol. No, anon. You are not going to kill billions of people on your own or even if you did have a sizeable squad of terrorists behind you. No matter how smart or skilled they are, you will suffer casualties over time. With no ability to recruit more to your cause (since everyone correctly views you as an existential threat), your starting force of 30 whittles down to 9 over time. Every single person in America will report your every mistake to the FBI since you revealed your intention to kill them and their children.
Quit abiding by your little fantasy scenario. it was ridiculous on it's face. You have no idea what I may or may not have now, and even if it was just me, I'll still go on, I will find a way. and if I can't then I will make sure it all burns. I am more than willing to lie, cheat, steal, kill, brainwash, and much much worse to accomplish my goal, not just because it is necessary, but because our enemies have no honor, as such, we must strip ourselves of all but rigid adherence to the most foundational tenets of natural law. You will find to your misfortunate that there are a lot more people like me than you think. There are far more of those who are willing to do what is necessary than you are, and they also willing to realize things aren't nearly as peachy as you claim. Nor will the collapse go the way you imagine it's not just gonna be a blip of interruption with jews telling everybody what to do and think on TV. it's going to go down, hard and fast. at first it'll just be survival, the cities will rip themselves apart, scattering to the winds as they begin to rot from natures ever encroaching growth. The already overcapacity and constantly at risk of exploding electrical system will likely be the first thing to break, if and when that happens here, the rest of the world will fall quickly thereafter, either to internal turmoil, or the fact that America was holding too many burdens and with it gone or at the very least completely unable to worry about external problems and thus no longer polices the worlds oceans. Then trade becomes impossible as the sheer number of pirate we were suppressing becomes abundantly clear. China is already overextending itself and couldn't even begin to fill that vacuum of power, and would probably immediately turn pirate themselves. Fuck they can't repair infrastructure vital to the lives of millions of their people, whether because it was built incorrectly or they have lost the knowledge to do so is immaterial how long until the seasonal rains collapse that stupid fucking dam and 400 million die? and that's just the tip of the iceburg.
Those fucking traitors do that shit now, and who cares what the FBI might be able to do? they're incompetent at best, and might not even exist in a few months.
>I mean, that's your goal regardless. You will not even get to kill all the Whites in America you don't like without power, nevermind the world. You won't even get to kill all the Whites in your state you don't like without political power. Genocide on the scale you lust after is impossible without a state under your full control. Which, btw, is impossible given that no one will ever help you and everyone will try to kill you and with good reason.
It's an ultimate goal, if it could could accomplished in one lifetime, excellent, but that's unlikely. We don't need to seek political power, it's completely locked off from our access today and even if it was possible, it doesn't sevre our purposes now. All we would need is to have a greater capacity for violence than anyone or any other group nearby, and then whatever we will becomes rather easy to make reality, through numbers, if not direct military capability, besides you don't have to let people know who you are until they go through your gates, and you certainly don't have to tell them who you are as you kill them.
From the first there is no possibility that we will take any State currently existing under our power, this was impossible in David lanes time let alone today, we must endeavor to create conditions where what we will can be made real, not easy but certainly doable.
>You will not because you revealed that you'll kill everyone everyone will help anyone but you.
That would only matter if anyone knew who I was, or that I am a national Socialist, fortunately they don't and I don't have to tell them, you see I don't have to share that with anyone until I have gained their trust and then it's not a difficult matter to turn them to my side, if they were willing to follow me simply because I'm stronger and smarter and better at surviving, and more willing to kill than anyone else around, they will be quite easy to turn away from what they need to be turned away from then it's just a matter of creating what we need to create will fighting off those who wish to take it from us and devising ways to increase numbers, through whatever means are necessary.
>You are severely mistaken. You think I am a pacifist. I am anything but. I am far more serious than you are about this. That is why I find your silly notions about killing nobodies for petty revenge to be laughable. 
I said nothing about pacifism, I said you're an idiot because you think we'll only be fighting the government and we'll have the populace living all hunky dory in the background willing to help us just because we oppose the government. Well, nigger, if that were ever going to be the case, Patriot Front would have 10000 members and would do actually effective things instead of retard rallies while following around literal enemies to our cause, or their sticker campaign which are already proven to qualify for RICO charges if the feds were inclined to actually take down their best piggies.
>I want White men in power. 
That's not going to happen in any way you have thought of, I can say that for certain. You keep talking about strategy, I don't think you understand what it means, not even remotely, because you're using the word as if it's "strategy" to not take shit you need, when you need it, strategically, it is of extreme benefit to target these lolberts, not just the old aging retards you keep claiming we're exclusively targeting despite being repeatedly disabused of that notion, becasue many have untold years worth of supplies, live out in areas nobody gives a fuck about, and are traitors to our people and would gladly tell the government or anybody he likes more than us, that I bought, or traded, or took supplies and where I headed after I got what I needed. Why leave such a risk alive? when I can kill him and kill two birds with one stone?
>Well, that's unfounded. Where do you get the notion that 2 million men want to wipe out our own race save for a few million?
I get it from long years of experience, and the results of certain studies I've read over years done by both independent researchers and The system and also from the popularity of many different things, I also run into too many people on Shit like telegram, who think just like me and they're too numerous and frequent, are they all perfect? Not by a fucking longshot, but I can see the pattern
>With what army? You have none.
Nor do you, your two hundred retard ralliers in PF don't count.
>To expand a little bit, if you had 30 of the best trained terrorists in history, you would still have nowhere near 0.000000001% of the forces needed to exterminate most of the planet including most White people.
You have 20000 characters with which to make your case use them, quit listening to idiots who don't belong, then again you don't belong either.
That's true, but nobody, aside from you fucking retards, ever said I was retarded. I have never overlooked how to hide who I am, nor how to get people on my side and make them into what I need, even if I don't have a miraculous army pop up out of nowhere, I don't need it, all I need is my mind, my body, and what I have taken the effort to learn and those tools I can find, to make it a reality.
There is no catch 22, you're just assuming that I'm as retarded as you are.
>>8055
I read it too and I really don't recall it saying that at all, but then again the scenario it painted is going to be very different from reality, the Organization is now impossible to create, even more so with the level of infiltration depicted therein, the media and government would collapse long before they could even hope to create squads of niggers to take guns from everyone, The populace is in a far worse state than was presumed in the books, and it even was worse than Pierce thought while he was writing it. You're literally living in a fantasy world constructed from tiny little straws you're grasping at and presenting as ironclad fact.
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>>8061
>Are you convincing yourself that you have achieved something meaningful with far reaching repercussions just because you merely unleashed kilobytes of text upon an obscure image board?
This is stress relief for me, and this is how arguments have been done on here for several years going right back to the original /fascist/ on 8chan, as I said, if you don't like it, and don't want to put in any effort then leave
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>>8066
>We don't need to seek political power
Without political power, you cannot kill a billion White people.
>All we would need is to have a greater capacity for violence than anyone or any other group nearby
Which you lack now and would especially lack when you revealed that your plan is to kill most White people.
>you certainly don't have to tell them who you are as you kill them.
In your senario, of some incredibly unlikely black swan event allowing a mad-max style collapse, you and your band of bandit killers would be the least likely group to take power.
1. Because you lack such a band
2. Because, even if you had 30 loyal men to follow you, you'd still be outgunned and outnumbered by the rest of the country and your own race that you foolishly aligned against you.
But I don't even want to waste my time entertaining a black swan event fantasy. it's unlikely. Even if it were likely, those who have don't demonstrate that they're just brigands will wield far more power than you would, even if you had a sizeable number of followers.

> it is of extreme benefit to target these lolberts
Okay. Apart from stealing their weapons, which is meaningless in the grand scheme of things, what long term strategic value does helping the jews kill non-leftist White people gain us?
How does making all White people actively take the side of ZOG assist us in overthrowing it?
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>>8072
>>8066
You'll probably say something like
>to kill traitors
But if 95% of our race are traitors, and really, it must be more than even this since your definition of traitor is everyone not engaged in resisting ZOG, and if this is implacable, our chances of victory are basically zero. We will never be capable of beating ~100% of the population of the world + 95%+ of our own race united with the jews.
The entire purpose, the entire goal, the very first step for any ethnic or racial dissidents resisting genocide is: Split your population off from the enemy government

Then you come along and your agenda literally does the opposite, enticing Whites to view the jewish regime as their protector. Which, given your plan to exterminate them, would be accurate. You make jews look like the good guys.
>>8067
>This is stress relief for me
So it's all just roleplay. Okay thanks. No wonder WN never got anything off the ground.
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>>8075
How do you get roleplay from stress relief? arguing to defend my beliefs is what relieves stress.
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>>8077
Because this is clearly just you talking about your fantasies as you'd like them to happen rather than join the serious men who are working to figure out and then enact action that takes us there. And the most basic realization you come to when you get serious is that going around (talking about) killing basically all White people who are not currently resisting the System (which is almost 0 atm anyway), is the opposite of the way to actually take power.

In a country of millions, millions of White men are needed to set up an alternative to the regime and then to overthrow it. The idea that one guy will rambo-kill all of our enemies, then make new ones, and kill those too, is absurd and childish. Join the serious resistance talking club. There is no actual resistance atm. In order to win, we must figure out how to make lazy White nationalists organize, and undo the damage done upon the minds of our brothers. 

Eventually, fear and terror can be used to mobilize even those too cowardly or greedy to resist the system. However, without a serious political, social, and military force to conduct such actions, they will never happen.
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>8080
>Niggerpill's innovative tactics
The pro-White position has, in general, developed an naive and self sabotaging view of resistance politics. I had hoped to use this conversation to talk about it by asking >>8066 to elaborate on how we go from zero power to max power but he never actually tried articulating how beyond saying that he's just kill everyone in his way. In fairness, I could have been more friendly.

At present, zero White men are engaged in armed resistance against the regime. The objective for White nationalists is to overthrow the regime. Therefore, one must go from nothing to victory somehow. 
I believe it would be highly unwise to engage in armed resistance at this stage, even if an organized force popped into existence tomorrow. But if one did form and elected to initiate the armed struggle today, this force (of a moderately large insurgent brigade of 30 men or so) cannot physically overthrow the regime on its own.

Even if it were possible to somehow cause the regime to collapse, it's not possible for 30 men to establish a new government without widespread support from the group they are fighting for, which, I would expect, is White people. Right? That's the entire purpose of our struggle, yes?

Thus, the goal of an insurgent leader is to think long term: Will my actions today lead to White people withdrawing their support for the regime and investing it in our new, revolutionary body?

Three broad categories motivate men to resist regimes: Idealism, revenge seeking, and greed. 

One goal, which is outlined in the Turner Diaries, is to compel the regime to overreact to the insurgents' activities and take out its anger on innocent civilians. This drives a wedge between the people and the regime, isolating the regime as more and more civilians withdraw their support from it. Some will switch allegiance to the rebels instead. If the jews start to massacre White civilians in retaliation for an attack, their family will resent them and many will switch allegiance. Even those who do not directly support the rebels will still be assets by simply not reporting suspicious behavior to the police state.

If, however, the rebels do this, then it only further drives fence sitters over to the regime. With no support amongst the populace, every action becomes a defeat. Every mistake becomes crippling as every eye that sees them will report even mild suspicions to the FBI. Even if one of the cells knocks out power to the entire region, it would accomplish nothing so long as our people remained rock solid behind the regime. In exasperation, the rebels might start shooting more White libertarians, or White Christians, or even White nationalists. Each death only further isolates them and guarantees defeat. At that stage, even killing blacks would make White people hate them because they will understand that this terrorist group is the enemy of both blacks and Whites together. Indeed, by targeting Whites, this terrorist group actually helps unite all races together.
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This is much wiser than sitting around calling for total nigger death and then being sad that this doesn't happen. (Please read my argument before you call me impure)

As (you) know, the White Right is very good at talking about the fact that we ought to have a Revolution, but absolutely terrible at actually having one. Propose anything short of storming the Whitehouse an you get called a coward, but these brave "revolutionaries" never take the revolution beyond talking about the need for it. And we all know that if any of us actually did anything, we would receive absolutely zero support from these talkers.
We would die in prison or in a pool of our own blood and the only thing that would happen is neckbeards arguing over our fed status on 4chan.

Let us get a little bit more serious about this. How do we go from zero power to storming the Bastille? 
The fact is that if you hold everything short of total world conquest as a defeat, you will become debilitatingly depressed. It is impossible to go from no power to full power without hard work. Setting an impossible goal makes your cause impossible, which is immensely blackpilling for you and for everyone around you.
Spiritually, but not practically better is putting your money where your mouth is and doing something. However, even if you succeeded, which is in doubt, you will still fail to trigger the Revolution or the race war or the gun confiscation or whatever you think will happen because the moment you get captured, the threat is removed and the system no longer needs to do anything except televise your trial.

Instead, I propose we adopt the highly successful strategy of the left. Focus obsessively on a small range of reasonable demands, often framed in a way to cast opponents as ridiculous extremists. Hammer on these tangible goals until they are either attained or by denying them, the enemy casts themselves as unreasonable.
This is far more likely to lead to an armed revolution than talking about how much we need a revolution.

I will rephrase: Imagine two scenarios 
>I demand total world genocide of all shitskins, the US government is executed, all banks are seized.
Lol, okay, weirdo. Have fun with that
>I demand no more H1B Indians in this country, they're taking our jobs and impoverishing Americans
He does have a point there...
If we get this, we get this. If we do not, then it's further ammunition to use against the regime.

This is basic stuff, let's narrow down our demands and focus on that when evangelizing on the internet.
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I intentionally did not voice my opinions on which issues deserve focus.
However, I believe that now that affirmative action anti-White discrimination has been lifted, the next target should be immigration. Mexicans are the most severe threat to Americans after the jews because they are used by corporations to enhance their profit and thus are "integrated" into the American economy. Even blacks are not as integrated this way as Mexicans and their birthrate is lower than Mexicans as well.
Of the attainable goals, demanding increasingly strict regulations on immigration is both popular with the masses as well as beneficial for our people.

Alternatively, we could go the accelerationist route and focus on justifying the existence of pro-White organizations. As the country browns out, these will become increasingly popular among normal White people seeking relief from the constant racial harassment.
While I agree with the concept, the ignorant masses will ultimately believe whatever the mainstream media tells them to, or whatever crap the hivemind on Reddit has updooted. That doesn’t leave us with much space to lobby within, but it would help to shift the overton window. Ultimately we can present whatever ideas we want, but unless the counterargument is indefensible or self-destructive for the other side I have doubts on it being successful. Discussing it publicly at least gets the request in people’s minds, and even if shot down it can be brought back up at a later date once the culture shifts and we try again. If the incumbent party ignores a righteous demand from the public, it could have consequences at the next election and splinter the traitorous party’s voter base. 

I think this thread has overlap with the redpill thread, as educating people on relevant topics makes them more receptive to implementing effective and meaningful action, instead of some dysfunctional lip service.

I’ll toss out some ideas of varying significance regardless;

>Military is deployed to the border with shoot to kill orders against illegals. This includes the navy and relevant air assets.
>Rainbow flaggotry is kept out of school. Fire teachers who try to keep proliferating it.
>Foreign individuals and businesses aren't allowed to own residential housing unless it's to house native workers or work visa immigrants.
>Extremely strict points based immigration policy, ideally from culturally similar (ie European descent) countries only. Must be able to speak the national language. Blacklist individuals that hold credentials from diploma mill schools, universities, colleges, etc, as well as hostile foreign religions.
>Open a Department of Remigration to assist those who don't want to live in the country in leaving. Muslims go to the Middle East, blacks to Africa, etc. I wish we could “remigrate” the marxists to a gulag.
>Removal of first past the post democracy systems in an attempt to undermine major parties that hate the populace, like the Democrats of the USA or the British Labor party. Replace with preferential voting. Media still has massive control over who get elected, but it’s a start.
>Removal of anything that is anti free speech, especially hate speech and blasphemy laws. Just a pushback on censorship and digital monitoring in general. Social media platforms that are for general public use shouldn't be allowed to censor so heavily.
>Something about allowing new media to compete with legacy media on legacy media’s turf. Imagine if you could watch actual history on public broadcast television instead of selective lies. Get our message in front of the ignorant masses.
>End foreign aid to countries that don't immediately effect your nation's well being. Maybe leave in  a provision for animal conservation to keep leftists happy.
>End aid to foreigners in the country illegally, that money should be spent on citizens. Possibly spend it on legal minorities instead of foreign ones to get more support from our opponents. Dem niggers were real mad their gibs were getting given away to illegals.
>Reject any "climate change" measures that aren't about developing technology, most countries are too small and irrelevant to make a measurable difference compared to China, USA or India's output.
>USA should remove that dumb fuel emissions law forcing auto makers to build oversized and expensive trucks.
>Something about reducing the number of whores in society. Woman doesn't get the man's stuff in a no-fault divorce?
>Right to defense and protection of one's self, home, business and belongings.
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>yes goy, deradicalize yourself and come to the table to play the game that we nakedly rigged against you
This thread is subversive garbage.
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>>8124
>the ignorant masses will ultimately believe whatever the mainstream media tells them to
You're correct. I do not believe we can convinced all or even most of our race to defend themselves. However, if we are 1% of the greater whole of our race, the other 99% are only lemmings by degree. Another ~10% or so likely can be swayed by reason, and perhaps a further 20% can be swayed if it looks like we're respectable, high status, or viably able to stand up to the regime. And then the 50% pure lemmings will support whatever side appears like it will win.
To put it in military terms, maybe 1% of a population are actively engaged. Another 10% can be convinced to take up arms. Once the rebel forces appear like they won't immediately get crushed, a further 20% may join them, safe in the knowledge that they can hide in the masses, without needing to show individual courage but instead taking courage from the group itself. And then, 50% more will join up once it appears that this side will win. Now we only have to kill 19% of the population.

> Discussing it publicly at least gets the request in people’s minds
Exactly.
Consider, "Diversity is our strength"
It is an idiotic slogan that only a jew would come up with. Yet, by virtue of cancerous repetition, they managed to turn a self contradictory slogan of zero substance into an argument that people actually cite as a self evident truth in debates.
Repetition is how you win over the 50% true lemmings.

All your suggestions seem great to me. Though I believe that focusing on climate change is a red herring. Even if we did win that fight, it isn't necessarily a racial debate (Yes, I know that fighting "climate change" only ever seems to hurt White people, but this take several sentences to explain so I feel that it's better to focus on things that are either racial or fighting degeneracy) Or maybe there is an angle that I have not considered here.
 
>>8125
Okay then. Articulate your alternative.
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>>8126
The climate change bit is just a reason to escape from the grift and stop wasting time, money and resources on irrelevant trash. The technology might be useful at some point but for now it's mostly overpriced junk with finite components.

>>8125
There can be multiple ways to achieve the same objective. You can ask nicely, and when they say no, that's casus belli to burn it all to the fucking ground. Do prepare for violence as it is inevitable.
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I just realize that when in the future people will look at what our propaganda looked like, like that picture which regardless of its message is as cheaply done as it will be shat by history, they will understand how bad things were. Not saying that all should be Boticelli tier but.
>The fact is that if you hold everything short of total world conquest as a defeat, you will become debilitatingly depressed. 
Looks like it worked for the yids.
>the systum
made criticism of yids illegal in most White countries. But we spread the memes nevertheless.
>Instead, I propose we adopt the highly successful strategy of the left.
I agree. First things first, let's have yids support us because we will need their money to buy them out of academies, politics, medias, companies and banking.
>Focus obsessively on a small range of reasonable demands, often framed in a way to cast opponents as ridiculous extremists.
Example please because there's no reasonable demand that shouldn't be useful, and anything truly useful to us is probably going to be seen as evil or too radical. Watered down demands you say? I don't know how this is supposed to shift the Ovaryton vvindoe our way.
>absurd false dilemma
Or just simply ask for exclusively White countries where we write our own laws to protect ourselves and our racial interests and our White families, with economy culture and police forces subservient to Whites. There is nothing outlandish in this. Don't budge. This will force all our enemies, potential traitors, cowards and idiots to expose themselves.
Nevertheless I do agree that because of a lack of better options for now, we must insist on the most approachable steps, but the solution should be to have a White party and be the loudest anti-immigration group of al because our unashamedly pro-White message would be clear and people would know that if they wanted the purest anti-immigration dope on the market, they would know for a fact that we'd be the only one they could safely and reliably turn to, they could trust us to have the premium non-laced Whitest soma you could ever hope find and taste on that side of the neighborhood. Anything else would be cut with shit and taste like rot in comparison.
>hey what's in the powder mate?
Pure Truth.
>fuck me that's wild! and what's the ratio?
About 14/88.
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>>8127
>. You can ask nicely, and when they say no, that's casus belli to burn it all to the fucking ground. Do prepare for violence as it is inevitable.
Wisdom.

>>8129
> it worked for the yids.
On the contrary, they moved slowly. Now that they have total control, they are accelerating their pace. And look what this got them: Us.

>simply ask for exclusively White countries
The trouble is that an exclusively White country will only be achieved through force of arms.
Are we prepared to do this? Nope. 
Therefore, acting like we're in a position to "demand" it is ridiculous. So what is the point of pretending? It's not a serious proposal. 
I am serious and I want you to get serious about this too. We need to figure out how the fuck we go from zero power to the strongest military force on the planet and there are steps from here to there.
One of these steps is organizing politically.
You say that taking the most pure stance and never watering it down for the masses "exposes the cowards among us"
Okay... and what does that gain us? Pride? Virtue signaling how pure we are?

We can sit here, in groups of 10, and pride ourselves on how pure we are. And we will grow old and we will die as alienated individuals with no power and the jews will remain in power forever and our race will die. But at least we never compromised.
Or we can hold our pure beliefs but also demand things that are also widely popular with our own race, and do it in a way that forces the jews to either give in or demonstrates that the regime is anti-White, thus galvanizing just a little bit more of our race against them. 
Then, we either get one piece of what we want (and then we move on to the next item) or we don't and then, with far more people behind us, we intensify the pressure. Someone gets martyred, and then it begins.
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>And we all know that if any of us actually did anything, we would receive absolutely zero support from these talkers.
Wrong. Brenton Tarrant is my role model.
>if you hold everything short of total world conquest as a defeat,
Nobody wrote that. World Aryan Conquest is a long-term goal. The kikes and their minions have long-term goals, too: extinction of the Master Race, maintenance of fake equality, and enslavement of all men. Picrel is a goal we could achieve with only one generation of Hitler youth. 
>Instead, I propose we adopt the highly successful strategy of the left. Focus obsessively on a small range of reasonable demands, often framed in a way to cast opponents as ridiculous extremists.
The libtards never succeeded. The zionist occupation succeeded, and only because it went out of its way to make White people poor and none of its conspirators ended up kicked to death by children in public. Also, we should lay out our short-term and long-term demands, like men. Sneaky Nazi never won any arguments, even though his heart is in the right place. The fags, the feminists, and the niggers are not forward about their long-term goals because their long-term goals are horrible and unspeakable.

If the government wasn't making us poor on purpose, we'd have bought more preparations in response to rising shitskin numbers and activity. If we are to succeed, it's going to be because we stopped letting the government make us poor. It's a complicated topic, but I guarantee that a more anarchist economy would give White folks room to win and succeed with no risk of starting fights with shitskins. The White Race must collectively be intolerant of the government regulating us. We can regulate ourselves just fine.
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>>8135
> Brenton Tarrant is my role model.
What have you done to support him beyond posting online?

>Picrel is a goal we could achieve with only one generation of Hitler youth. 
>a PNG of North America with some swastikas on it
Oh yeah? Hitler's Youth are all dead. No modern organization exists.

You seem to be spiritually in the right place but you're posturing. Your post is filled with slogans which I have seen on 4chan for ages and that's nice, but you aren't writing anything original, nevermind proposing an actual plan of action.
If America is ever going to become a no nigger zone, real people are going to have to make it happen in real life. Wishing for organizations to pop into existence, fully formed and peopled by 180 IQ supermen, is not going to turn America into your 526x612 PNG. In fact, it may only make you impotent.

After years of demanding nothing short of a no nigger zone, you will still not have it. Years will go by and you will end up in one of two places. You'll either become depressed and blackpilled from your complete lack of progress. Or you will become like me and ponder late into the night: How do we do it? How can we get to the no nigger zone with three swastikas? What is the step by step progress that will create that sweet, sweet png, but for real?
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The white birthrate issue will never be solved without the following:
>End no-fault divorce and the presumption of maternal custody. Unless the father is a raging alcoholic or some other sort of demonstrable degenerate, he should always get the kids and the house. Women currently file most divorces because they're retarded, never satisfied with anything, and face no consequences. Changing the laws back to pre-feminist, early 1800s standards will help prevent the communist destruction of the family.
>Similarly, discard the idea of "marital rape." Unless we accept that sex is a contractual obligation in marriage, women will continue milking their end of the bargain for all it's worth while providing as little as possible. It's in their nature.
>Finally, women should be largely excluded from the workplace. This would not only raise wages for men, but help us maintain our sanity and sense of self-worth in the face of constant henpecking and female uselessness when it comes to getting anything done. Anyone who has ever worked with a bunch of women knows what I'm talking about. They're even useless in a kitchen.
Until JD Vance or whoever implements these sorts of policies, I'm not getting married, having kids, or working more than the bare minimum I need to survive. This society isn't just a raw deal for men, it's an outright scam. Anyone who still chases after these whores is insane.
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>>8138
I should add: I have some faith in the potential of closed communities like return to the land getting a handle on women's behavior even if the laws remain how they are. Women are very susceptible to social pressure, so if they stand to be shunned by everyone they know for being whores, they may decide to act right.

However, I don't think every decent white person moving to some intentional community in buttfuck nowhere is going to be viable long-term. We need a presence in the cities to affect national politics, and of course electronic media like internet and television corrupt even rural culture. Therefore, we need to set our sights on changing the whole legal and moral framework of the country. Cuckservatives like Vance may not be based on the race issue, but we should certainly use them whenever their stated goals stand to benefit whites, intentionally or no. His promotion of common sense family values is one such case.

Regardless, I think I understand why the Muslims insist on doing honor killings even after they move to the west. Even 80 IQ niggers know damn well that preserving their culture depends on maintaining an iron grip on women's sexuality.
>>As (you) know, the White Right is very good at talking about the fact that we ought to have a Revolution
In minecraft. The word ought is never used lately that I've noticed.
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>>8138
>>women should be largely excluded from the workplace
Everything you wrote is correct. The issue is that I do not believe that this is an achievable goal without political power first, either though force of arms or a gradual takeover of local powers in opposition to the jews. Obviously, the jews like it because it leads to adulatory (and thus destruction of White family unit) and big business supports it because it doubles their consumer base and halves the real value of labor, destroys labor unions, etc. 
But more importantly, is this achievable without an iron grip on at least local government? I am not so sure. As a long term objective, I am already on board. But as an issue that we can use against the regime, I don't see it working.
Consider if in a normal public setting; we demand women be excluded from workplaces. Obviously jews and shitlibs say no. Do they seem unreasonable to the 30-50% of our race that is somewhat lemming-like but not wholly brainless? I think this only gives feminists an easy win.

But ending no-fault divorce, THAT, I feel, has power. Normal people, even the wiggers, hate unfairness and men fear the power of the feminist lobby and judges. Ending divorce rape and no-fault divorce already has large support among, probably ~20-40% of men. Spitballing. If we could harness this organic support and focus it and make conservative politicians feel like they can score safe political points, we could start getting pro-marriage laws passed and be 1 step closer to removing females from the workplace entirely.

I'm also with you on isolated White communities. Theoretically possible (it does happen) but unless it leads to achieving political power, removing ourselves from society is a retreat, not an attack.
We must attack.
We must attack the regime in every possible way. Legally, economically, politically, socially, and (eventually) we must consider the final vector of attack.

>>8140
>ought too
>"we" should go prank the grid
>if only sOmEoNe would fire-prank a [structure]
All the same word to me. It means "I will not do this"
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>>8157
I agree that ending no-fault divorce has the most support from within the current establishment. That's why I mentioned Vance in particular. I'm honestly surprised that the elites haven't come out against the phenomenon sooner. When even billionaires can't keep marriages together, you know something is going to change eventually.

As for retreating vs. attacking, consider the following. White people have already lost America, at least temporarily.

I know that's a controversial take, but I also think it's indisputable based on the facts. We are soon to be a minority, if we aren't already.

Recently Uncle Jared's podcast interviewed Aarvoll, the guy in charge of Return to the Land. One of the things that stood out to me was the idea that in order to even organise an attack on or alternative to the system in the first place, whites need a base of operations free from diversity and bureaucratic meddling. That, I think, is the true purpose of these isolated communities.

I really encourage everyone to read Sun Tzu if they haven't already. There's this attitude on the white right as if retreat is always dishonorable, but I strongly disagree. If anything, persisting in a doomed struggle for the sake of your own ego, or some Christian fetishisation of martyrdom, is infinitely worse.

We can still reclaim this country, but we have to start thinking in terms of multiple generations. The Chinks and Jews already do so, and that's part of the reason why they're kicking our asses. White civilisation is just as ancient and illustrious as theirs, if not more so. We have to learn how to "take the L" as the Zoomers say and move on as best we can.
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>>8164
> White people have already lost America, at least temporarily.
I'll dispute that. I am an American, but there are many reasons to believe that America is key to solving our problems globally, and many reasons for hope, despite the demographic catastrophe. 

I do agree that a strategic retreat, like a ram pulling back to strike again, is not a dishonorable tactic. Certainly, if we can win by consolidating in a smaller region, ala the Butler Plan, I am all for it. But strategically, we simply must liberate America. If we consolidating in, say, Germany or even France and somehow took over, we would then need to deal with the final boss. The hegemon of NATO, armed with thousands of nukes, the most overpowered military force on the planet. As tiny little Germany, still likely dealing with severe internal opposition to our leadership, how could we do that?

I believe that we must neutralize the strongest beast first. Once ((( American media propaganda ))) and pressure from the irresistible US government is neutralized, most of the leftist influence will evaporate. Europeans can liberate themselves or even be liberated if they need help.
>>8131
>The trouble is that an exclusively White country will only be achieved through force of arms.
>Are we prepared to do this? Nope. 
>Therefore, acting like we're in a position to "demand" it is ridiculous. 
What is ridiculous is not preparing our people to want this. You cannot obtain anything if you don't get them used to see the world our way and this will not happen if we stay in the shadows and meander. No matter what, we will have to come out of the woods and stand for it. We will not gain any ground if we appear afraid of asking for what is natural to us, what is legitimate and necessary. Talking about it openly is the first step. We make our demands clear, we don't retreat, we only go forward.
>So what is the point of pretending? It's not a serious proposal. 
We must rally our people against a simple idea. White power, White lands. Period.
Anything else is a waste of time.
>You say that taking the most pure stance and never watering it down for the masses "exposes the cowards among us"
>Okay... and what does that gain us? Pride? Virtue signaling how pure we are?
It gains us visibility and respect. We shall demonstrate our pride and courage. Our message, loud and clear. A call for honesty. A call for truth and justice. This is what we want and what we need, there is no point arguing otherwise.
>We can sit here, in groups of 10, and pride ourselves on how pure we are. And we will grow old and we will die as alienated individuals with no power and the jews will remain in power forever and our race will die. But at least we never compromised.
Compromise all you want coward. I've read enough of your blackpilling. You will be with us or against us.
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>>8137
>let me ponder two more decades
>>8157
>We must attack the regime in every possible way. Legally, economically, politically, socially, and (eventually) we must consider the final vector of attack.
Hence we need at the very least a pro-White party that exposes the kikes, and we should gather a network from there that covers everything from work, life, culture, economy and law. If we can't even manage to pull this off we will never make it anyway.
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>>8171
>What is ridiculous is not preparing our people to want this
Brother, that is my entire purpose.
>Talking about it openly is the first step
Did you not read the OP. I have explained why it is more effective to make "reasonable" demands to push things further "right" rather than sit and petulantly demand things we cannot possibly get at the moment. It's depressing and makes us look weaker than we are, which is saying something.
>It gains us visibility and respect.
It makes us look weak. Demanding this is basically demanding the overthrow of ZOG. Which we will only get once we are militarily strong enough to do so through force of arms. So what is the point?
I think there is some misunderstanding. I am not saying: "Abandon our position that a White America is the end goal." I am saying that we will achieve far more success if we rally behind a few reasonable demands that people will actually get behind and push things further right slowly.

This is simply ridiculous. You have absolutely jack shit to enforce your ideas. While the left wisely pushes things slowly but surely in an anti-White direction, you're sitting here, having accomplished absolutely nothing, calling me a coward because I want to push back. 
You may say, I am pushing back. I am demanding 100% of what I want
But you know and I know that that will never happen unless you have the strength to enforce it. You lack that strength. So how do we gain that strength? By rallying more of our people and weaponizing ourselves. And how do we do that? By actually scoring victories and pushing back against ZOG.

No one is going to want to be pro-White if all we are is a bunch of losers who go around whining that we don't have a no-nigger-zone with three swastikas. We need to achieve meaningful political victories, even if they are small.

>>8173
>we need at the very least a pro-White party
Yes. That is my point.
But how do we build this if all we do is set ourselves up to fail every single day?

>we should gather a network from there that covers everything from work, life, culture, economy and law. 
>If we can't even manage to pull this off we will never make it anyway.
This is exactly what I am talking about. "We need," "we should," and what is the goal you have set for ourselves? It is a good long term objective. Or even mid term objective. Let's build a White party. I am with you!
But we lack one and we need a strategy to galvanize our people into building one with us. That requires us actually interacting with politics. And the way to do this is to make demands that people will see as reasonable and achievable.
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>Did you not read the OP. I have explained why it is more effective to make "reasonable" demands to push things further "right" rather than sit and petulantly demand things we cannot possibly get at the moment. 
You assume that because something cannot be obtained now, we should not voice our requirements already for said goal. I strongly disagree. We must provide a clear vision of what our most noble end goal is. Once people will be used to such blatant violent truth they will possess a tool of comparison against the piss poor requests voiced by the neutralized parties. They will see how all the other parties are clearly wasting people's time and lying. By forcing the debate closer to our views all these other parties will be weighed against our views and ideals.
You also think that by watering down our demands they'll get satisfied. You could argue that more moderate demands would be easier to get fulfilled. But you have no proof of that and worst of all you have no guarantee that we could even escalate. More importantly, watered down positions would not be exclusive to us, which means they could be espoused by the other groups which are Jewish tools, therefore the same yids could maintain control over what needs to be done. They would certainly make sure that even these modest demands would be met with difficulty.
Meanwhile our attempts at enlightening the White population about our dramatic situation could never happen because we would have accepted the fake ceiling that filters out the radicalness of our positions which are entirely based in unadulterated truth. More over, we would again be losing precious time trying to wedge a toe in the door when we actually need to smash it open. We absolutely need to force into the minds of people the fact that radical solutions are necessary now, not tomorrow. Diluted messages will never get us anywhere and will never put enough pressure on conservatives because they will always look for the less tumultuous method. They will want endless talks, calculations and concessions. We need conservatives to be sucked into a vacuum generated by the sheer implosive force of our ideas, otherwise they will stay rooted where they are and won't move. It's not up to us to shift left by adopting softer positions, it's up to them to move in our direction. We must be that strength.
>It makes us look weak. 
That is wholly absurd. You cannot look weak by being stronger than anyone else and shining like a beacon of pious light in a sea of darkness. Being weak is accepting to act like conservatives and that takes us away from a revolution of the mind. What must be done is to shame these people and expose them as the little stupid cowards they have always been for more than a century. But contrary to Europe I have a strong feeling that America will never manage to break free from the usual anti-fascist heroic WW2 myth, it has become too much of a cohesive cultural backbone to the average American citizen.
>Demanding this is basically demanding the overthrow of ZOG. Which we will only get once we are militarily strong enough to do so through force of arms. So what is the point?
Where and when will you get that army if you are not capable, willing and brave enough to call for a White nation fully subservient to our racial needs?
>I am saying that we will achieve far more success if we rally behind a few reasonable demands that people will actually get behind and push things further right slowly.
Giving you for a moment the generous benefit of plausibility, how long do you think this would take? Here's what will happen: our positions will be forgotten and we will find ourselves stuck in the quagmire of half arsed policies in a system that will be very efficient at keeping people happy with the little they are given. Nobody will be willing to risk the very little relative improvements they got, for a simple reason. Radical ideas can only work in critical times, but if you let the Jews drop the pressure we will not reach that point where really desperate people are willing to listen to us.
>This is simply ridiculous. You have absolutely jack shit to enforce your ideas.
It is our duty to find the means to acquire power to enforce them. But we won't find anyone willing to join us if we don't even explain our ideas, if we don't even proudly stand for them and if we have no doctrine nor anything else to use when we try to reach for people. We don't want and should not espouse a milquetoast station. There is no point moving closer to ZOG and play according to a rigged game, an act which will corrupt us, when we know full well that we will never be given a chance to grab power anyway. So instead we must make our intent clear and that's it. It must create friction and tension. Whatever must happen will happen. What the hell are you afraid of? We are right and we have all the evidence in the world to support our position. We have all the statistics, all the curves for the next two decades, all the historical substance to tap into anytime anyone would doubt our words.
>You may say, I am pushing back. I am demanding 100% of what I want
Negotiation 101: always demand more than what you want or can have, not less.
You have already lost otherwise.
>But you know and I know that that will never happen unless you have the strength to enforce it. You lack that strength. So how do we gain that strength? By rallying more of our people and weaponizing ourselves. And how do we do that? By actually scoring victories and pushing back against ZOG.
And how do we score victories against ZOG? By "rallying more of our people and weaponizing ourselves."
A perfectly circular argument you have here. Which incidentally will never happen if you can't even name the Zionist tyrants. Thankfully free speech is still so lenient that you can do all of that without once calling for murder or the destruction of the USA. You can even appeal to International Law and remind everyone that a given people of a particular culture is entitled to be masters of their own destiny and fully enjoy the sovereign power to guarantee their safety. But who the hell talks like that? Who has the courage to say such basic things despite it being totally legal, legitimate, sane, fair and natural? You don't even want to go there. Hence you will not make it.
Most importantly, you will never command respect if you are afraid of the power of your own ideas and if you abide by the very rules you utterly despise, lying to yourself in the vain and stupid hope of having that very system throw you a bone. People will see you for what you have become, it will be transparent. Masses may not be smart but they recognize brazen bravery.
>No one is going to want to be pro-White if all we are is a bunch of losers who go around whining that we don't have a no-nigger-zone with three swastikas.
Then give up already. Nobody said we need to have flying swastikas, but the purpose of obtaining White territories must be correctly articulated and delivered to the masses.
If you're too weak to demand the existence of White lands, go play GOP games with your vaguely whitish nation and her 9~11% patriotic browns and mutts, because you will simply NEVER have the nerve to have them removed while you're surrounded by a large jerking party all too happy to settle on a good enough situation and way too compromised to be able to move further.
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>October 28. Last night I had to do the most unpleasant thing that I have been called to do since joining the Organization four years ago. I participated in the execution of a mutineer.
>Harry Powell was Unit 5's leader. Last week, when Washington Field Command gave his unit the assignment of assassinating two of the most obnoxious and outspoken advocates of racial mixing in this area-a priest and a rabbi, coauthors of a widely publicized petition to Congress requesting special tax advantages for racially mixed marned couples - Powell refused the assignment. He sent a message back to WFC saying that he was opposed to the further use of violence and that his unit would not participate in any acts of terrorism.
>He was immediately placed under arrest, and yesterday one representative from each unit under WFC-including Unit S- was summoned to judge him. Unit 10 was not able to send anyone, and so 11 members-eight men and three women- met with an officer from WFC in the basement storeroom of a gift shop owned by one of our "legals." I was Unit l 's representative.
>The officer from WFC stated the case against Powell very briefly. The Unit 5 representative then confirmed the facts: Powell had not only refused to obey the assassination order, but he had instructed the members of his unit not to obey either. Fortunately, they had not allowed themselves to be subverted by him.
>Powell was then given an opportunity to speak in his behalf. He did so for more than two hours, interrupted occasionally by a question from one of us. What he said really shook me, but it made our decision easier for all of us, I am sure.
>Harry Powell was, in essence, a "responsible conservative." The fact that he was not only a member of the Organization but had become a unit leader reflects more on the Organization than it does on him. His basic complaint was that all our acts of terror against the System were only making things worse by "provoking" the System into taking more and more repressive measures.
>Well, of course, we all understood that! Or, at least, I thought we all understood it. Apparently Powell didn't. That is, he didn't understand that one of the major purposes of political terror, always and everywhere, is to force the authorities to take reprisals and to become more repressive, thus alienating a portion of the population and generating sympathy for the terrorists. And the other purpose is to create unrest by destroying the population's sense of security and their belief in the invincibility of the government.
As Powell continued talking, it became clearer and clearer that he was a conservative, not a revolutionary. He talked as if the whole purpose of the Organization were to force the System to institute certain reforms, rather than to destroy the System, root and branch, and build something radically and fundamentally different in its place.
>He was opposed to the System because it taxed his business too heavily. (He had owned a hardware store before we were forced underground.) He was opposed to the System's permissiveness with Blacks, because crime and rioting were bad for business. He was opposed to the System's confiscation of firearms, because he felt he needed a gun for personal security. His were the motivations of a libertarian, the sort of self-centered individual who sees the basic evil in government as a limitation on free enterprise.
>Someone asked him whether he had forgotten what the Organization has repeated over and over, namely, that our struggle is to secure the future of our race, and that the issue of individual freedom is subordinate to that one, overwhelming purpose. His retort was that the Organization's violent tactics are benefiting neither our race nor individual freedom.
>This answer proved again that he didn't really understand what we are trying to do. His initial approval of the use of force against the System was based on the naive assumption that, by God, we'll show those bastards! When the System, instead of backing down, began tightening the screws even faster, he decided that our policy of terrorism is counter-productive.
>He simply could not accept the fact that the path to our goal cannot be a retracing of our course to some earlier stage in our history, but must instead be an overcoming of the present and a forging ahead into the future-with us choosing the direction instead of the System. Until we have torn the rudder out of its grasp and thrown the System overboard, the ship of state will go careening on its hazardous way. There will be no stopping, no going back. Since we are already among rocks and shoals, we are bound to get scraped up pretty badly before we find any clear sailing.
>Maybe he was right that our tactics are wrong; the reaction of the people will eventually answer that question. But his whole attitude, his whole orientation was wrong. As I listened to Powell I was reminded of the late-19th century writer, Brooks Adams, and his division of the human race into two classes: spiritual man and economic man. Powell was the epitome of economic man.
Ideologies, ultimate purposes, the fundamental contradiction between the System's world view and ours-all these things had no meaning for him. He regarded the Organization's philosophy as just so much ideological flypaper designed to catch recruits for us. He saw our struggle against the System as a contest for power and nothing more. If we could not whip them, then we should try to force them to compromise with us.
>I wondered how many others in the Organization thought the way Powell did, and I shuddered. We have been forced to grow too quickly. There has not been sufficient time to develop in all our people the essentially religious attitude toward our purpose and our doctrines which would have prevented the Powell incident by screening him out early.
>As it was, we had no real choice in deciding Powell's fate. There was not only his disobedience to consider, but also the fact that he had revealed himself to be fundamentally unreliable. To have one of us-and a unit leader, at that-talking openly to other members about trying to find a way to compromise with the System, with the war just beginning… There was only one way to deal with such a
situation.
>The eight male members present drew straws, and three of us, including me, ended up on the execution squad. When Powell realized that he was going to be killed, he tried to make a break. We tied his hands and feet, and then we had to gag him when he began shouting. We drove him to a wooded area off the highway about 10 miles south of Washington, shot him, and buried him.
>I got back a little after midnight, but I still haven't been able to get to sleep. I am very, very depressed.
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>>8176
>We must provide a clear vision of what our most noble end goal is.
I never argued otherwise. What we need in addition to this are achievable goals. If you need to travel from point A to point B, you must take many steps to get there. That is my position.

>you have no proof of that
On the contrary, the conservative block is now 100% on board with removing Affirmative Action, and they did. We actually won that fight. Now let's move onto the next one. Always attack.
> the radicalness of our positions 
In 100% seriousness, what is radical about our positions? Yes, we do want to overthrow the regime, but why? Because they are committing genocide. Resisting genocide of your own people is probably the most moderate, basic position you can take.
> we would again be losing precious time trying to wedge a toe in the door when we actually need to smash it open.
This is where I make the greatest critique: You lack the power to smash that door down.
We are weak at the moment, with no political power or influence. Ironically, the people who are doing the most to overturn anti-White laws in the real world are conservatives. They have literally scored more White victories in the past years than us. Trump is actually moving to end birthright citizenship. This may actually happen but it wasn't necessarily due to us.
>You're pro Trump!!!!
I am pro-White. If Trump does something pro-White, even in isolation, why the hell shouldn't I praise good behavior? 
It encourages more good behavior whilst making our enemies lash out at his base and accuse them of being racist. This is inoculating them against the fear of the smear.
> it's up to them to move in our direction
Not without any power, it isn't. Why would anyone adopt our positions when we, apparently, cannot win even small fights (because we don't start any fights)

> You cannot look weak by being stronger than anyone else
At present, we are weaker than marxists. I am genuinely worried every day that Trump will turn on us and issue orders to round us up. And because we are so alienated from the great masses of our own people, most of them would cheer this on.
We are in a very precarious position with no clear path to victory.

Also, you keep insisting that I must do either only calls for world genocide of niggers, or basically parrot conservative ideas.
I argue no such thing.
I am arguing that, in addition to our ultimate goal, we must focus on achievable steps to remove non-Whites from power.
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>>8179
I believe this has already been quoted ITT. This is not similar to what is being debated at all.

1. The Organization in the Turner Diaries is an organization of tens of thousands at the very least. They are engaged in an armed struggle against the regime.
I keep informing you that we have no such organization and are not engaging in armed resistance.
You do not present a path that leads to armed resistance. You are only proposing that we take the most unachievable goals and fail at achieving them over and over because we have no possible way to do so. There are intermediate steps between holding no power and having a massive insurgent army.

2. The context of this fictional event is that the armed struggle already has begun. That's the final goal, the last step before winning it. The purpose of focusing on achievable goals is to ratchet things inexorably in the direction of armed struggle. Once it has been achieved, there is no longer any need to engage in peaceful politics (insofar as that being the main focus)

3. I'm surprised no one ever quotes the seemingly far more applicable scene where the Organization focuses on the most "extreme" rhetoric to weed out the faint of heart from the Organization. That is immediately a far better argument against my position than this.
Even so, it is not a good argument because the Organization already existed as a legal political group before it went underground. How did it get to be this way?
By doing exactly what I am advocating, albeit, according to the book, unsuccessfully. It only went underground after the Gun Raids. 

And furthermore, Dr. Pierce said in later speeches that the Turner Diaries was not a realistic book and that was not his intention to lay out a blueprint for Revolution. Indeed, he much preferred Hunter as this lays out achievable goals for lone wolves. In Turner Diaries, the Organization is far more organized and top-down structured than would be feasible in a police state like America. The communications thing would be nice, but probably impossible to keep secure. 

And lastly! The entire reason why the Organization was so successful in the first place as outlined in the Turner Diaries was because it made the mistake of repeatedly taking extreme positions that alienated the public. It confiscated basically all guns, it hosted violent black mobs and race riots, it deputized black goons to rape and harass White people, etc. It made the very mistake you wish us to make.
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>>8181
> because THE SYSTEM made the mistake of repeatedly taking extreme positions that alienated the public.

As an addendum, there are two groups. 
One has as their goal "total nigger death."
But that's illegal and none of them are prepared to start killing niggers. So they meet and meet and meet and achieve nothing. What is the point of this group?

A second group has as their goal the same final goal, but focuses on the far more achievable goal of pressuring conservatives and conservative politicians to pass a law that actually benefits White people. Perhaps it is a law penalizing corporations from hiring spics or a law that removes CRT from the public school curriculum. This is far more energizing than meeting in a basement and whining that they cannot achieve their unrealistic goals. They will likely succeed and then move onto the next goal, gaining experience and cohesion as a result. And if they fail, now we have yet more ammunition to use against the regime.
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>>8179
>We have been forced to grow too quickly. There has not been sufficient time to develop in all our people the essentially religious attitude toward our purpose and our doctrines which would have prevented the Powell incident by screening him out early.
The screening part is very relevant. I believe only the equivalent of our fundamentalists should truly be sent on such missions, and they should all be correctly trained. In other words, while we should grow our militia, we would precisely screen and meticulously pick the most adapted individuals for the underground activities that clearly stand outside of the legal realm, and no overt connection ever shall ever be found between any part of the organization and these active cells.
We shall have tiers, and in this story, the Powell profile should be found standing in one of the intermediate tiers. An individual who would back off the moment he'd understand that violence could or would make things worse for us and should therefore be abandoned is not an individual we would want anywhere close to a platoon, even less a secret operative. This is the kind of people who would eventually support us from the civilian fringes.
Don't grow too quickly. Be methodological and routinely screen each individual. Make sure the doctrine is perfectly understood, even if in broad strikes only.
>>8182
>A second group has as their goal the same final goal, but focuses on the far more achievable goal of pressuring conservatives and conservative politicians to pass a law that actually benefits White people.
Conservatives care about their money and their safety, and I don't know which one comes first wit these rascals.
We can't threaten their bank accounts, but we surely can threaten their safety.

They only begin to concede a few bits here and there on security the moment it hits their own prosperity. They don't fancy negroes touring their suburbs and killing them on the spot. But once the negroes are tamed, they go back to their normal routine. What is the threat doesn't come from the negroes only? The conservatives will certainly say this goes too far and will once more side with the System for protection. This will be their first reaction, the easiest one, to cry mommy and beg for a renewal of their safety and the price of their soul. But we would not back down. At this point it becomes clear that the harassment should become constant and I certainly believe it would be easier to maintain that kind of pressure in much Whiter states because conservatives would be surrounded by righter Whites. Operations to off very obnoxious figures from the opposition would need to be kept for deeper activities within leftist thus System territories. Floats would have to be coordinated for this. This is why we must begin to secure the Whiter areas so they can act as our bases of operation, as safety havens to which we can retreat and even hide if necessary. Which means making these regions hazardous even to police forces as the value of blue skin will sharply drop.
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Wodensson had plans to write a novel about Trebor's early life and I wish he had time to write it because his insight would have been valuable, even if disguised as fiction. It is after a work of fiction that changed his own life.
>>8181
Regarding the US and those "gun raids", it would be one huge trigger and it's obvious that ZOG has done everything humanely possible to convince people to forgo their rights to bear arms. Considering the rise of violence everywhere this is not a discourse that will get through many ears. Not even a radical false flag event would suffice.
I doubt it would ever happen and I equally doubt that even pushing ZOG hard would have the government enact such a retard measure. Assuredly it would leave it to states to decide, at most.
>And furthermore, Dr. Pierce said in later speeches that the Turner Diaries was not a realistic book and that was not his intention to lay out a blueprint for Revolution.
He was right and I would add that in another article he also stood against the very dubious and super sketchy mass shooting-like operations because he understood that there is a time for everything and certain paramilitary activities within a specific context can easily backfire.
Despite being a fiction I think his book has value because it's a narrativist take on what essentially is a political, social and perhaps pre-wartime simulation. For that it is useful and has people talking its numerous aspects, from the most realistic to the most outlandish.
What is clear is that properly targeted and meaningful lone wolf activities only begin when the Organization is pushed underground and becomes physically active, with enough men to count on and a solid doctrine to point to when clarifications are needed.
>Indeed, he much preferred Hunter as this lays out achievable goals for lone wolves. In Turner Diaries, the Organization is far more organized and top-down structured than would be feasible in a police state like America. The communications thing would be nice, but probably impossible to keep secure.
Then again, turning to The Brigade and its associated books would prove useful, but we should also consider looking into testimonies of real historical events.
For now we may really need to focus on Codreanu's for example or books that describe what happens during the collapse of an western country because it will teach us what people will do and expect during such times, it will also give us an idea of how difficult it would be to organize and safely shift resources about.
>[The System] confiscated basically all guns, it hosted violent black mobs and race riots, it deputized black goons to rape and harass White people, etc. It made the very mistake you wish us to make.
I don't understand what you mean by this.
I will also notice that the free ride given to negroes during BLM was pretty much one of those very radicalizing moments and it barely scratched the reality of what would happen would the savages be given a complete freedom to lash out at Whites, as described in Rockwell's White Power.
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>>8180
>I never argued otherwise. What we need in addition to this are achievable goals. If you need to travel from point A to point B, you must take many steps to get there. That is my position.
Can't reach a destination if nobody knows where and what it is.
>On the contrary, the conservative block is now 100% on board with removing Affirmative Action, and they did.
Please. Jews simply reduced the intensity by a very few degrees of the most obnoxious portion of the anti-traditional forces and we all knew it would happen because the most militant side of the affirmative action is also the most anti-natural. We are only observing a stepping back from decades of unrelenting AA that has allowed tens of millions of foreigners to multiply. Just like fight against abortion is meaningless to our cause if it's just to fall back on a blind protection all God's cherished life that allows millions of brownoids to spawn on our lands like some damned creep. All you are seeing is a little pressure release by barely returning to the normal of yesterday, which depending on the topic can be just about fifteen years ago or as far as a few decades back. All the freaks who have wormed their way into our institutions won't be eliminated. And even if it were to happen by the US turning almost despotic and puritanical, it still would be according to Jewish law and oversight. You want to play the political democratic game and be careful with your own words when there are even less Whites today than there were fifty years ago. You won't get anywhere until you start talking about White Lands.
This is why you don't understand >>8179 
>>[Powell] simply could not accept the fact that the path to our goal cannot be a retracing of our course to some earlier stage in our history, but must instead be an overcoming of the present and a forging ahead into the future-with us choosing the direction instead of the System.
>In 100% seriousness, what is radical about our positions? 
Bad faith won't get you anywhere. You do know for a fact that anti-Jewish, racist, pro-White ethnoseparatism with a complete racial territorial segregation and the affirmation of the quality of the White race, and certainly its clear superiority over brown ones, is the absolute antithesis of our current multicultural sick and jewed society. it is the Great Satan in that theme park called ZOG World.
>It's Okay To Be White
doesn't cut it when we need to say
>It's Okay To Have A White Nation
because the latter implies an application of the Fourteen Words.
>I am pro-White. If Trump does something pro-White, even in isolation, why the hell shouldn't I praise good behavior?
He hasn't done anything pro-White so that's a non-sequitur. At best he's only done something a bit less pro-brown and only under the condition that we become even more submissive to Israel. He is also moving forth with a further unification of the upper half of the American continent, which means opening even more the borders to non-Whites. He has not stepped in to totally stop non-White immigration. His friend Musk is asking for hordes of *cough*capable and skilled*cough* pajeets to settle in. The commie Trudeau has split Canada open to be invaded by chinks and pajeets too and Trump wants to dissolve the border between the US and Canada.
So you're talking nonsense.
Even if 100% of immigration were to be stopped, legal or not, it would simply not come anywhere close to solving our issue until we'd cut off true White States from that dying disgusting Beast. Remember that the Noahide Laws are already loaded and ready.
>Not without any power, it isn't. Why would anyone adopt our positions when we, apparently, cannot win even small fights (because we don't start any fights)
You don't even know if Whites have no power of their own volition at all, because you haven't even tried to run this scenario in your head. You automatically assume that even a pro-White party would simply not get anywhere so we must bow down to "reasonable" pale requests.
Mind you, conservatives don't have any power at all, Jews decide for them. Jews have felt the need to open the pressure valve because of the very radical opinions that people like us have defended online and offline. We have been the underground pressure that the Jews are forced to acknowledge and it is about time we accelerate things and come to the surface because there is just that much we can do underground and it's not sufficient, at least as long as it stays legal.
As I said we already have all the information we could ever need, the injustice is plain to see, vice is everywhere and our replacement so certain. It's about time we coalesce all of this latent power into some true intelligible and bright force for all to see. We shall carry this white light and bring it to our kinfolk.

WHITE LANDS
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>>8185
>We can't threaten their bank accounts
We could... 
>I don't know which one comes first wit these rascals.
Here is the crux of the issue: There are three broad types of White people in this country besides us. The first group, the largest, are the conservative types. This includes libertarians. They range from "leave me alone so I can make muh money." to idealists. There is a lot of natural overlap with us and it has been conservatives whom our speakers have focused on converting.
The second group is the uncaring mass type wigger people. They're interested in TikTok, shiny toys, and not being engaged politically. I view these people as hopeless. What could possibly motivate them to throw all their degenerate shit away to live in constant fear that you will wake up dead?
The last, smallest group are the shitlibs. These pathologically anti-White people are, I believe, unconvertable so long as the mass media is jewish. Once we seize the media, the shitlibs will all become Nazis except for the diehard degenerates. 

Tell me I am wrong here. Show me evidence to the contrary.
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>>8189
Doing real gun raids would be idiotic. Not saying you're wrong but I am saying that I hope that they do it. What a blunder.

> I think his book has value because it's a narrativist take on what essentially is a political, social and perhaps pre-wartime simulatio
100% with you, brother. I have read communist literature as well and I must say that the Turner Diaries is the most revolutionary piece of literature in the world at the moment. It discusses revolution on a scale and to a degree that even communists do not in their literature.

> turning to The Brigade and its associated books would prove useful
Again, I agree. 
Dr. Pierce, being born in 1933, learned his Art of War from observing Vietnam. Therefore, his rebels are fighting a rural revolution similar to Maoist China. Covington on the otherhand, learned his Art of War by observing the Troubles in Northern Ireland. I almost worship Dr. Pierce, and I follow his idea of vanguard White party politics. However, I fully admit that Harold had a firmer grasp of what the war will look like.

>I don't understand what you mean by this.
I typo'd, thus nullifying my arguments. >>8182

>it barely scratched the reality of what would happen would the savages be given a complete freedom to lash out at Whites
This is the hidden motive behind my proposal. I am at heart an accelerationist, but I have given it serious thought and concluded that skull masks and menacingly standing near pylons isn't effective. Instead, I would like to exacerbate racial tensions by scoring multiple small victories "for the racists"
This will likely trigger more BLM tire chimpouts
>>8191
>Can't reach a destination if nobody knows where and what it is.
No, but you cannot reach a destination if taking small steps is considered cowardice.

I appreciate your greater point here. Should we seek to resist White genocide if doing so turns down the heat? 
I believe that it is beneficial because
1. It moralizes our side
2. It makes the arrogant enemy go insane. An insane enemy is good.
3. The prime directive is to organize politically until we have the strength to attack the System directly. As I argued, sitting alone and pinning for an unachievable goal will not accomplish this. Organizing around small but stead achievable goals will.
We must organize or we will lose.

>Bad faith won't get you anywhere.
There is no bad faith. White people being pro-White is the norm throughout all White history.

>At best he's only done something a bit less pro-brown 
Praise this while denouncing zionism. 
>moving forth with a further unification of the upper half of the American continent,
I don't buy this grandstanding. Trump isn't serious. 

>Even if 100% of immigration were to be stopped, legal or not, it would simply not come anywhere close to solving our issue 
Would it be an improvement?
Yes.
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<Ay carumba, amigo! why you gotta be so anti-HUWITE or sum sheit ese, why can't we just work together holmes?
>Who de fukk ar' you? Sta radish v Srbija?
<Huwhy yo' killin' dem' Bosnyians, ese? Don't cha know dat WE were all ONE race, da HUWITE race? Dey share da same skin colowah as YOU, mayne! We'z sapposed to be a-past DAT 'ETHNO-NATIONALISM' stuff, ese.
>Peder, get da fakk off mah saight.
<Oi amigo, listen.. da "Huwite pozzilion" is where.. Huwite pepioo.. do stuff or something.. Now go donate to our grorious leadah Tommy's bank account and maybe then, he would expand on what it really means or somethi-ACCKKKKKK!!!
You Patriot-Fags really do live in a funny and delusional world, you are deracinated and confused Anglos as whole. Your only actual racial conception is a big blob of vague "White Identity", which instead of developing an actual particular ethnicity with soil and blood. (as Americans themselves are primarily an Anglo-Saxon ethnicity with some mixed elements of Irish, Germanic, Italian and Slavic.) They chose to engage in the mental faggotry possible by worshipping and emulating literal Freemason ideologues from the 18th century AND shilling their worldview on this very board.

The actual White race or more accurately, races of Aryan descent are a collection of sub-races or ethnicities clustered around the continent for all their histories, to reduce them into a single blob ignores the historical realities of which various nations had to fight for their spot.
Europeans killed each other for eternity, it's not something you can easily change as it is innately rooted in our biology, it is one of many laws that Nature imposes as to which your own ancestors killed each other for socio-religious and racial tensions.
Deal with it.

This is very typical effeminate behavior that you all are indulging in. aside from the "Kill da christcucks" poster. While his behavior regarding about Christian lemmings would seem unhinged on the surface, it's not without reason.
He just happens to come from the nation where two of the most popular Christian (or Christcuck) denominations, Catholics and Evangelicals are hell-bent on importing niggers and shitskins all over the world to America endlessly. Which for some funny reason that your "organization" seems to bend their asses to instead of righteously attacking them as racial traitors and cancer, for all this talk of being "Pro-White" in this thread.
And speaking of cancer, it can indeed spread aggressively to the body if not treated quickly, the surgeon will have no choice but to amputate the limb if left for too long. The cancer patient, that is your "own people" want to strangle themselves. They will convince others to do the same by peer pressure and they will attack you madly if you try to stop them at all.
You don't have any actual choice in this matter.

By the way, do not try to defend your political cult of personality here, you will get BTFO so hard that you will spam "MUH SEEJFAGS HAIL THOMAS" all over this board just to divert the attention of the overwhelming evidence against you and your ilk. But you cannot censor this board like you did with Cuckchan /pol/.
PFOG has no power here.
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>>8198
> Your only actual racial conception is a big blob of vague "White Identity", which instead of developing an actual particular ethnicity with soil and blood.
As someone who is alive, has eyes, ears, and a brain, I simply could not help but notice that the jews are not simply attacking Germans, Irish, or Anglos, but all and only White people. They explicitly state that their objective is the removal of White people from the earth.
Therefore, I must take the opposite position that White people should not indeed be removed from the earth.

You say that White people fight each other over our ethnicity. You say I must deal with it, implying that we ought to return to this.
One wonders how this benefits any White people. It seems clear that the only ones who benefit from White internal conflict are the enemies of White people.
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>>8200
If Jews or any other external threat did not exist or no longer do so in the future, as soon as that happens. There will exist in-fighting in that case then.
There will always be in-fighting amongst wolves. That fact is not desirable to hear by any means, Europeans fight each other for dominance and supremacy all the time because that's the way it simply is, regardless of I or you feel.
But we should work around it and address any blood scars from fraternal wars gradually instead of pretending that Europeans should 100% ignore all their previous grievances to each other and sing kumbayaya together and form a Euro-mystery mulatto race into existence.
Only in peacetime however, because let's face it, if two European ethnicities like Albanians and Serbians fight again, or the Irish and British fight, then your efforts might as well be futile.
And it's not even just wolves in-fighting, it's wolves of different stripes and appearances, genetics fighting each other for dominance and supremacy. 
Incompatible elements will never mix together and for some reason American WNs seem to ignore that.
>>8200
>They explicitly state that their objective is the removal of White people from the earth.
Do they? I mean, explicitely?
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>>8195
>No, but you cannot reach a destination if taking small steps is considered cowardice.
Why bother with small steps when we need to run, without what we would get caught by the tidal wave?
>I appreciate your greater point here. Should we seek to resist White genocide if doing so turns down the heat? 
Resisting White genocide cannot turn down the heat, only increase it.
>There is no bad faith. White people being pro-White is the norm throughout all White history.
Irrelevant. We are not reenacting the past but living in all new conditions akin to extinction.
>I don't buy this grandstanding. Trump isn't serious.
He may be a clown and his show might be part of a clever smokescreen tactic, but the North American Union is a very real project that comes close to this segmentation of the world.
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>Would it be an improvement?
>Yes.
What would be your publicly advocated arguments in the political area to have all immigration come to a full stop? What would you say?
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>>8193
>We could... 
How?
>Tell me I am wrong here. Show me evidence to the contrary.
I don't feel like you have posted anything contradicting something I may have written to be honest. You just listed the three main political tendencies Whites are found in.
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>>8210
>How could we threaten their bank accounts?
2 ways. Rebels could do so directly through cyber attacks and identity theft.
The second way is to attack economic targets. For instance say that there is some sort of cuckservative twat store owner who goes way out of line to help jews or, more critically harmful, assist the police state in harming rebel activities. Well, those stores could be eliminated via mystery packages. Or, better yet, various cyber attacks or even direct attacks against the critical infrastructure of his business empire: Shipments, refrigeration, his payment system for his employees (making him very unpopular), taking control over his utility payment systems, hacking into company funds and draining them, etc.
Care must be taken when attacking public retail establishments or anything that large numbers of White people gain utility from, for reasons which should be obvious. However, modern technology allows rebels to cause pain to the businesses of unsavory characters in a multitude of ways without even leaving a trace. 

Due to human nature, the majority of store goers will never realize why the store goes out of business unless the rebels start parking car bombs outside of the store. Again, this is less than idea due to high civilian casualties (during the day) and the fact that the rebels are saying, "Hey, we're responsible for your lowing standard of living, not the zionist regime"
Purges must be conducted only after there is no chance of the enemy regaining power. And even then, it is best to seize power, be all happy and nice for a few weeks, then have 1 to 2 weeks of intense violence against traitors, and then go back to nice. This is how the Taliban did it and I fully appreciate their sound logic. After 2 weeks of terror, everyone will welcome the nice face of the new government back. And of course, human psychology aids in justifying brief periods of civil violence but not long periods. 

>>8209
>Resisting White genocide cannot turn down the heat
I agree.
I firmly believe that the regime will either deny basic demands (and thus alienate more of the public and show them the correctness of our larger cause) or, if they actually agree and implement several small things, this will lead to psychotic nigger-retard chimpouts, which will do the exact same thing.
Getting what we want isn't necessarily the goal. The goal is education.

>In modern context, being pro-White is radical.
Maybe so. However, I do not believe it is a good idea to call yourself "far right" "radical" or "an extremist"
It kind of surrenders to the enemy.

>What would be your publicly advocated arguments in the political area to have all immigration come to a full stop?
To Republicans:
-Immigrants vote left. You wouldn't want that, would you? Socialism. Joe Biden! Marxism. Communism!
-They're literally gonna kill you once they're the majority. You know this, right?
-Check out these crime data. 
To Democrats (White ones, obviously):
-Immigrants are scabs. (begins citing all the times that businesses use Mexicans to undermine labor unions and impoverish White workers)
-Quoting Samuel Gompers and other labor leaders
-The environmental impact of immigration
-How are you gonna have healthcare if you have an open border?
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>>8206
I currently do not have my images folder on this computer. However, the jews and non-Whites in general say in explicit terms that the elimination of Whiteness is their goal. That is genocide.
Furthermore, just in case it was not clear enough, they state that all Whites are racists. They state that all racists need to be exterminated.
That is also a call for genocide.
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>>8215
>To Republicans:
>-Immigrants vote left. You wouldn't want that, would you? Socialism. Joe Biden! Marxism. Communism!
>-They're literally gonna kill you once they're the majority. You know this, right?
>-Check out these crime data. 
>To Democrats (White ones, obviously):
>-Immigrants are scabs. (begins citing all the times that businesses use Mexicans to undermine labor unions and impoverish White workers)
>-Quoting Samuel Gompers and other labor leaders
>-The environmental impact of immigration
>-How are you gonna have healthcare if you have an open border?
All of which we can say in an even better fashion and with more emphasis with a pro-White all encompassing rhetoric.
If we can't get people to join us with the truth then there is no point trying to convince them. Crime data can and should be shown to democrats too. The environmental impact of immigration is not exclusive to the left side of the political spectrum. I haven't seen a single right wing lad who didn't have an opinion on health care and who hasn't grown sick of the supposed social darwinism of health care which is just a veil for the intensive mercantilism we are exposed to. Do we want to pay for idiots to chop off their balls? No. Could we pay for the less fortunate to help them a bit through their life by taking from the very rich? Perhaps. A bit of sharing wouldn't hurt but I couldn't count on the billionaires to do it by themselves, regularly.
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>>8231
The real issue is that we have to teach Whites to be selfish from a racial group perspective.
>>White First And Always.
That should be our motto.
>>8222
Well if you ever put your pawns on your terabytes of evidence, don't hesitate to share it in some dedicated thread because we need sourced facts.
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>>8231
>Why not take a maximalist stance when convincing fence sitters to join us?
Were you born a White nationalist? When & how did you become one? Was it suddenly, all at once? Or was it gradually as you learned new information?

Again, I keep saying that you can take maximalist positions if you want. But let's do so while focusing on specific, achievable objectives such as closing the border. 
As an aside, I view mexicans as a graver threat than niggers because of their higher birthrate and their integration into the money making schemes of White capitalists. Thus, focusing on cutting off the flow of mexicans is the logical ideal. If, again ideal situation, we could remove mexicans, White people already universally hate niggers. Even Democrat Whites hate niggers.
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>>8233
People post quotes, videos, and screencaps all the time. I hate to say it but just go onto 4chan and ask. Sadly, it seems like it's just me and you here...
I don't waste my time on 4chan anymore. Too much ((( noise ))).
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Unless we're born in a hard right family already or live with such people one way or another, we all have to wade through steppes of doubts and misinformation until we reach safe places of enlightenment. For me it happened at a pace that was slower than it should and could have been at first, but after being exposed to content that I would deem extreme and highly illegal, things moved very fast. This content didn't come to me, I had to look for it and a lot of time was definitely wasted.
Today we have amassed such an important amount of collected and synthesized facts that it makes the awakening of anyone much easier and faster, assuming said content is delivered to an audience. The memes are now so powerful, concise and radical that we don't need to waste our time as people around me are far more receptive to politically transgressive pro-White material and that's what matters to me.
Whether we have a political party that adopts a radical stance in its message or we have young people orbiting the MAGA crowd who get exposed to radical memes, one way or another the radical content has to be produced and shared on a constant basis. I'll give you that the only use of adopting a circumvoluted way at delivering said content is for the issue of the legality of our ideas depending on one's country of action. But in many Western countries the freedom of speech has been so curtailed that for them it's useless to waste time with adopting the democratic codes of discourse because it's impossible to get anywhere. On the contrary, it is the truth that has to be delivered in very smart ways.
For example, by using social networks to share simple content without comments. Show Jews being nefarious but don't say anything because you would merely be sharing content that is already legal and public. Remind people of the hypocrisy of the system too, that is not too risky. Show the inherent limits of democracy and who owns it through the banks and the medias. Again, give names in broadly sweeping techniques but don't target them. And finally, don't hesitate to use funny content that is used to mask redpills against non-Whites, fags, femoids and traitors.
For example, I believe many of the 88 Precepts could be quoted verbatim in most countries without issue but they would be exposed you as picking from a reprehensible source. Instead, a slight modification of the content and eventually associated to a more general picture about the recent political news would milk up the pill and let it go down smoothly. Many other quotations could be slightly reworded or recomposed with others to create quick and powerful small paragraphs.
No matter how harsh the law is, it still is very leaky and with cunning you can get through, knowing anyway that the Jews will use other methods to try to silence you. Being alone is certainly a problem so that's why a large party with gusto and its own guard would be required. We don't want our own people to be taken away so easily and we don't want to make the cops' job too simple easier.
Otherwise a given government could simply send a bunch of blue pigs to arrest a politician with minimal resistance, mince him through a bullshit trial and trumpeted charges and have him rot in jail. We can't afford that, but nobody would understand the necessity of some possibility of an armed resistance if we didn't have some radical to say to boot.
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>>8239
>I awoke slowly, after being exposed to content that I would deem extreme and highly illegal
You're not European so I am curious how illegal content convinced you. At present, there are very few kinds of content that are "illegal" online, in America. And a large amount of it is the kind of content which no one here would want associated with us, nor would it be related to race. Obviously, you shouldn't reveal anything that negatively affects you or even has a chance of negatively affecting you. 
But even outright denying that the holocaust happened is perfectly legal in America, nevermind pointing out the violent tendencies of niggers. The only caveat is that if you espouse these truths via most social media, you get banned.
But even on X, you can poke holes in the holocaust to a degree and you're only going to get banned if one of Elon's friends notices you.

I critique the jews all the time on X. The only things that have ever gotten me banned were suggesting that the jews assassinated JFK because he was going to label AIPAC a foreign lobbyist organization, believe it or not.
I have noticed that you have to be very careful when critiquing AIPAC on X or you get banned.
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>>8240
I say that I deem it highly illegal because I don't know for sure who I am talking to and America tends to be the exception today, I too often assumed that things weren't that grim elsewhere. Also because some of the people who posted said content told me so, as some of them were European so they knew what they were talking about and I had no reason to distrust them regarding their claims tbh. They were older than me and for a few of them if I remember correctly they had been like threatened by their respective governments. Besides the POTUS has said a couple times already how much he'd love to make this kind of material highly illegal here and the ADL has pushed that line too and when you see the kind of vile shit them kikes can get away with we better be cautious because the unthinkable might unexpectedly get very real quicker than we thought possible.
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>>8241
Trump trying to round us all up is actually my number one short term concern.
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>>8260
Any legal action against us is an ever present threat, even if only a process-as-punishment scheme.
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>>8261
No, in the greater scheme of things, anyone but Trump going after us is preferable. If he does, his base will mobilize, joining forces with the shitlibs (who will salivate at the chance to kill off some "Trump Nazis" with the assistance of other "Trump Nazis").
98% chance there will be virtually no resistance.
2% chance that any resistance there is is quickly squashed because it would have no hope of overthrowing the regime with zero popular support.

We would simply be crushed and America would become the UK.
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>>8236
In this case, you probably could find what you're looking for.
>>8262
>joining forces with the shitlibs 
Maybe but keep in mind that the very first victims of the current scheme were the pro-palestine shitlib protesters at college campuses. It would require extremely careful and selective enforcement which I don't quite think the system is guaranteed to pull off.

On the other hand, I do feel as though conservatives are the absolute worst of political elements in the US, so my disgust for them leads me to agree with your assessment that they would fall in line. They have a mental block preventing themselves from disagreeing with their Orange Savior.
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>>8264
To briefly expand on this

If Trump enacts antisemitism bans:
-Shitlib perspective:
<Trump is doing it = bad
<It affects pro-palestine = bad
>I don't like nazis = good
-Cuckservative perspective
>Trump is doing it = good
>It affects pro-palestine = good
>I don't like nazis = good

If Kamala (or any dem) enacts antisemitism bans:
-Shitlib perspective:
>Kamala is doing it = good
<It affects pro-palestine = bad
>I don't like nazis = good
-Cuckservative perspective
<Kamala is doing it = bad
>It affects pro-palestine = good
>I don't like nazis = good

Trump = 33% lib approval and 100% cuck approval
Kamala = 66% lib approval and 66% cuck approval

Perhaps this is a stupid and binary argument, but it illustrates my point.
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>>8265
I like the game theory.
Another factor to consider is that when Trump is in office, cuckservatives trick themselves into thinking that they aren't really Nazis. But when he isn't in office, deep down ever cuckservative knows that when they're talking about killing Nazis, they are talking about him and his entire White family.
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>>8261
>>8262
>>8264
All sides will be literally OK with punching nazis in the face.
America has its sacred cows. WW2 is this glass ceiling it can't get through.
Too many people bought the MAGA when it was MAG. And if you read Wodensson with a clear heart you know it's not possible.
The only difficulty with banning antisemitism is that it would trample the First Amendment in ways that are really massive and shocking to the average American citizen used to freedom of speech. This could have worked ten years ago but now that the kikes have bombed Gaza to fine dust and openly shill building hotels there on the hot corpses of Palestinians, the educated bourgeois left (an oxymoron) will reee like mad at this because they're also identified as antisemites since they oppose Israel. Cue "we're not nazis" and for this the medias will double down on bizarre comparisons between the Hamas and nazis.
All the other people voting left such as migrants and degenerates won't give a shit about Palestine and will comply. The left will fracture further and it already did because some of the migrants switched to Republicans for the shekel gibs, to avoid having to split them too much with their fresher cousins and the new wave of pajeets. They all hate whitey but they understand that there's a finite amount of cake and it cannot be subdivided eternally.
So most of the left won't give a shit about antisemitic laws, and most of the right will be too retarded to see beyond Jesus' approval. Besides conservatives just hate sandniggers anyway and can't stand leftists so they'll hit two birds with one stone by supporting this ban on antisemitism.
Meanwhile Jews will be working round the clock to continue seizing as much land as possible and get the third temple built, perhaps before '28 according to the curse of the 80 years, which means giving the Muslims the middle finger. This will likely enrage them everywhere on this planet and give Trump and right-wing governments elsewhere a free pass to crack down on anything Muslim, although it will be largely ineffective because it will be done in bad faith and very superficial, since the Jews want to continue submerging White nations with all the shit of the world. The likeliness of foreign wars in Muslim areas will again increase to deplete the best goyim during Operation Stormnigger. Expect more snackbars.

TL;DR
Nazis = bad agreed upon by all, USA is too kiked, democracy perpetuates the idiocracy, things get worse.
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>>8282
That's true of boomers. But what about adult generations?
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>>8282
Divide and conquer is such a good strategy under ((( democracy ))) it's unreal. Unless you have the manpower to destroy the government we don't you are at the mercy of the jew system and all the retards who follow it.
>>8283
Even if the youth are willing to turn it around, the momentum in the wrong direction means that the boomers and gen-x can ruin Whites before we have a chance to salvage the nation.
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>>8285
> boomers and gen-x can ruin Whites before we have a chance to salvage the nation.
The nation is our race, not the state. If we are able to save our race, then we will have saved our nation. 
As for our chances of success, anything above 0.00000 sounds like the most beautiful music to me.
Accelerationism isn't always about promoting things that will "wake the whites up" or make them angry. Sometimes the better route is to find this groups who are doing actual damage to the system you oppose, usually groups defined as "terrorists" by you n country, whether that be Islamic or white nationalist.
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>>8292
>Sometimes the better route is to find this groups who are doing actual damage to the system you oppose
Clarify please.
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>>8285
>gen x
ngl but they seem among the most based, old enough to remember the better times but tech savy enough to know how to make good shit, especially from an experience gathered when things had to be built and were them too of a better quality.
The boomers are on their way out while zoomies are too young for now. It takes time becoming based in an environment that tries its best to be subversive and debilitating.
t. millennial citizen
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Let's get the putrid stench of Responsible Conservatism™ out of this thread and get back on topic. I'll raise a subject that hasn't been mentioned in this thread so far and I haven't seen discussed very frequently. With the recent advancements in robotics and AI, and the tentative overtures of implementing robots in the military and law enforcement, what countermeasures would be good to take, and what precautions must one have in mind for dealing with this new threat? Before anyone raises the obvious objection, it doesn't matter whether or not they're being implemented for real or it's just propagandistic spin. If we're to take the fight to the enemy we must be ready for anything and everything.
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>>8308
I guess lasers would be a good start assuming we can put our hands on powerful and cheap ones, sufficient to superficially damage drones' lenses and the other fragile parts.
There are pocket torchlights that emit strong light and they heat up very quickly. A higher power and a more concentrated beam would give us a way to damage drone when it's spotted. But spotting drones is hard, they are small and fly high.
There's the simple fact that no matter the surveillance tricks ZOG uses, dirty bombs remain very cheap and effective to use. It depends a lot on when this will really happen and how organized and armed we are against this. If it's now, with drones used against civilians, not much.
This said, unless the drones carry weapons, they're only providing visual and audio information to central offices, boots are still needed on the ground. So having one face's masked, wearing gloves and being careful about what we say should help a lot when we get involved into hot action.
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>>8339
Laser anon? Is that... is that you?

In my analysis, there is no need to feel troubled by questions of combat with drones. The era of our struggle is in Organization and Passive Resistance phase. The next phase, ideally, would be insurgent resistance phase. 
In both phases, any contact with hard targets is out of the question. If you get into a situation where you're fighting drone delivery EDs, you have made a severe mistake.
>>8339
>having one face's masked, wearing gloves and being careful about what we say should help a lot when we get involved into hot action
Keep in mind that facial recognition software has been in development for quite a while now. I remember an article from years back where they were training AI models to recognize the shapes of people's ears as a unique identifier. Therefore, learning make-up techniques and stocking up on theatrical prosthetics and wigs is another important item on the to-do list of any revolutionary.
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>>8339
That advice is all well and good for taking care of unarmed drones as well as electronic surveilance, but how is that going to stack up against pic related?
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>>8352
That tactic doesn't seem very effective.
>>8294
He means for example supporting in a way or at least letting such groups do their thing against your enemies: feminists, fags, judges, journalists, politicians somehow, etc., with the Jews at the end being the juiciest target. Therefore if there is a group that is acting in ways that the Jews deem unacceptable, and if this group is rather large and blossoms in ways that that we, oursleves, can't even dream of, then for the moment allowing this group and perhaps even helping that group may be a fruitful thing to do as a temporary measure, even if said group would be opposed to us, which requires some specific accumen on our part to engage with this group without being exposed. In this you can see a lot of efforts being needed which then requires a lot of work to accomplish, to what others will reply that the few resources we have should be best used to support our own groups directly. Case in point, the anti-Zionist leftists. This is something Zionist did have to contend with for a long time and if you have sufficiently followed the political events of countries where these two groups are active, even if it meant paying attention to the slightest detail that reminds you and anyone else of how power is managed and who holds the leash, you can observe rather easily that the left is one big useful idiot but it's also a very blind and brutish idiot at times and can become a problem to Jews themselves, here because of a large amount of migrants and pro-Islam people present in such groups. When this happens, Zionists pull on the leash and sometimes that is enough. Sometimes they have to resort to reminders, be they in the form of notes, public statements that simply mirror those of exchanges that we are not privy to, and sometimes much more violent solutions to bring the petulant leftists back in the square yard as happened with Breivik.
I got bored reading but suffice it to say killing your own population is not the means to victory, even if 95% of them are "traitors".

Really I just wanted to mention that accelerationists are wrong to suggest damaging critical infrastructure like power stations as that predominitly damages white people in europe or north america. Its like the kikes poisoning wells or water sources, why do the enemies job for them? 

The real solution is to damage computer datacenters and tier one/two datacenters acting as interlinks creating and deciminating propaganda. There's a wide variety of AI data centers such as the very ones shilling in this thread with the sign of ":^)" that operate in every medium of electronic communication. Destroy those and the spying aperatus of the state falls apart and its not easily built back up as it requires components made in taiwan and mainland asia.

Even if all the datacenters of it in europe and north america fell there are still centers in asia and africa that would exist. But it sure would put a dent in the propaganda.
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>>8346
> they were training AI models to recognize the shapes of people's ears
The kikes only train their AI's to recognize indo-european languages in speech recognition and to recognize the faces of assyrians, e.g white people. Their AI's are useless for asian languages. Their AI's also are worthless for recognizing nigger or eastern indian or asian faces.  The easiest way to get their automated systems to ignore you or not recognize you is to look and have speech like a chink or a nigger somehow. Writing in cursive is a good start and speaking old german or old english might help but not for very long. Wearing glassess to make your eyes wide like an asian and applying thin layers of paint to your face that are slightly offshaded or invisible to the naked eye could fool cameras.

If you want a foundation in the truth stop calling ((( them ))) jews. ((( They ))) are not jews. I'm not gracing this board again. The internet is dead and no amount of mental masterbation will effect change.
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>>8411
We are becoming just as dependent on the data than we are on energy. Look at all the jobs that require filling online document or being constantly connected, or simple selling services that always need to ping databases to bring you the most mundane bit of information because nothing is stored locally.
So if you want to break things, you cannot do it in a clean way. Data centers, power plants, shipping lanes (road, rail, water, airports), you need to hit it all at the very least. Whatever emerges from this chaos, you need to exploit as fast as possible knowing that it will be impossible for police forces to organize themselves effectively.
There is simply no safe way through this if you're thinking about blowing up some Federal or civilian assets.
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>>8412
>captcha'ing your face
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>>8349
Underestimaing the effectiveness and lethality of robots is retarded. They are high maintenance systems, sure, but they don't give two shits about sleeping, pain, doubt, morale or arguments. This is one big advantage for them and we've just begun to see the first generations of these systems. The improvements are increasing at an insane rate.
>>8411
You're right.
The key to jewish power is data control. 
He who controls information in the Information Age is the king.
Jewish propaganda is the source of the degeneracy. And computer software is the cornerstone of the police state. Imagine if the jews lost their ability to monitor us 24/7.
The ideal war would be a computer virus that infects and shuts down the police state and the jewish media corporations. Wiping the servers and disrupting their pay services, revealing the identities of agents, and destroying data.
The issue is that the enemy has absolutely thought of this too. They undoubtedly have erected barriers to prevent cross contamination of servers.
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>>5326
><I have friends in jail right now just for saying mean things online.
Okay, Europe is a special case. If you live in Europe, maybe you should discuss racial subjects only in hushed tones in basements.
Or online via encryption. The problem is that if we're reduced to this, I worry that resisting the jewish global regime would not be possible in Europe.
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Might be a little twee, but the quote from the original movie is quite relevant and sobering.
>It can't be bargained with! It can't be reasoned with! It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it will not stop, ever. Until you are dead.
We gotta stop this shit before it gets to the generalized deployment stage, or an already uphill struggle will be all the more daunting.
>>8420
The networks needs power as much as it needs servers.
The cable issue can be circumvented through the massive use of satellites, but these data centers consume huge amounts of power and if they want to be able to survey people they still need to pull cables outside of the cities and up to our houses and power them too. So the off-grid notion is very real. The fifteen minutes cities is the entrapment model they want to push us into, one where they can keep an eye on people with the minimum amount of duplication of material and services. Internet of Things, then Internet of Bodies. Soon enough after pushing for all this roboware garbage they'll tell you that in order to use your toaster you need to plug it to the network which will automatically tie your citizen ID to the appliance and unlock it, unless you've been some bad goy. Cut the cables and cut the power and suddenly you're free. The issue is that while they advanced the technology, we would find ourselves lagging behind and at some point there's simply fuck all we will be able to do against a bunch of killer drones shooting smart projectiles from half a mile away.
That's why the inawoods protocol is self defeating if we don't bring the fight on the System's own turf.
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>>8412
>If you want a foundation in the truth stop calling (((  them  ))) jews. (((  They  ))) are not jews. I'm not gracing this board again. The internet is dead and no amount of mental masterbation will effect change.
Btw shut up Identity-cuck. You'll never be a kike.
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>>8424
>the inawoods protocol is self defeating if we don't bring the fight on the System's own turf
True enough, but we do still need safehouses and caches in the countryside in order to conduct certain operations away from prying eyes. There's an ongoin thread about that topic on this very board.
>>8420
>The ideal war would be a computer virus that infects and shuts down the police state
No that wouldn't be enough. A virus like that would always be superficial without physically damaging the hardware, and the power drain as >>8424 points out would be enourmous even with the software being useless. Nothing short of physical destruction will stop it as sattilites will still be able to cross national boundries and deciminate kike propaganda. Shutting down powergrids near these datacenters is worthless because they have their own redundency systems to be self sufficient long enough for the kikes to have goys move to occupy and repair other means of power generation. The best ways would be moltov cocktails or thermite charges placed on every server and power source in a datacenter, or a large capacitor bank like used for jumpstarting a vehicle discharged into a attenna pointing at the data center electronics as its resistor, also known as a EMP.

This poster >>8416 is either mentally retarded or a fedposter. Notice how they reccomend physical destruction of things useful to the local populations and nothing that would actually threaten the kikes control. Even giving water as a example when the other poster mentioned the kikes poisoning wells.

>revealing the identities of agents
With the kike disinfo system gone these people would physically reveal themselves and be able to be dealt with at a local level. The real problem right now is if you try to start a government, instead of the lack of enforced law and order for white skinned people as it exists in europe or north america now, the other localities loyal to the kikes get involved to crush any sense of order and government establishment, and quite speedily. See Dixie or amon bundy for small examples. Even having any more then 2-3 men can quickly get your shit fucked up by outsiders to the group. With the disinfo network gone communities can begin to form again.
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>>8425
How have you not been banned for mental retardation yet? Being a kike is always a bad thing.
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>>8424
>That's why the inawoods protocol is self defeating if we don't bring the fight on the System's own turf.
I hate to say it but we either get an armed revolt started in 2-3 years or we go quietly into extinction. They have the permanent techno-control grid ready to go with Goyvid as the proof of concept and psychological primer. I feel like I'm staring down the barrel of the end of mankind. 
Source: my intuition which is rarely wrong.
>>4859
take a look at how tough this subhuman keyboard warrior is from behind the comfort of his screen. Subhuman filth
>>8427
> sattilites will still be able to cross national boundries and deciminate kike propaganda
Not without constant data input. They would fall out of the sky within days.
>EMP
That would also work. Maybe as technology advances, individuals could build their own EMPs.
>>8428
You're still there? Go LARP as a kike elsewhere.
>>8427
> Shutting down powergrids near these datacenters is worthless because they have their own redundency systems to be self sufficient long enough for the kikes to have goys move to occupy and repair other means of power generation.
>This poster >>8416 is either mentally retarded or a fedposter. Notice how they reccomend physical destruction of things useful to the local populations and nothing that would actually threaten the kikes control. Even giving water as a example when the other poster mentioned the kikes poisoning wells.
The USSR didn't rely on data centers. Whites being dependent today on the same tools that guarantee their extinction is a key aspect of the problem we face. Even if data centers were all to have their own auxiliary power sources, the entire network itself does not. Everything from your computer, your TV and your recharged smartphone is totally dependent on the civilian power grid of which the main power plants are the equivalent of hearts. No hearts, no blood. It doesn't matter if ZOG's computers can still churn data in sealed environments while powered by their own temporary sources if the electronic private data they depend on cannot be collected and the managed civilization they uphold through live content they generate every fraction of a second cannot be dispatched nor received by the vast majority of people.
As for the disruption of transportation and shipping, that's a massive advantage when the entirety of the society is barely held together by duct tape and starved for cash, as it is now, and owes it lethargic survival and dominated status to the fact that it is always walking on the edge of the abyss but does everything to avoid falling despite being weaker than a granny. It's the modern electric comfort that helps this rotten way life keeping us individualized, fragmented and pacified because we can live isolated from our neighbors without needing any help from anyone else while everything is getting centralized through this collective voracious consumption of energy.
I am not saying this situation would have to become the new constant, but there's no point denying that increasing the amount of chaos would help us greatly, for example when needing to hit big cities hard since they are full of non-Whites who would turn feral the moment they could not obtain their daily input of free gibs, which again is all dependent on power and shipping. What our people should be doing is acquire as many solar panels as possible with a lot of surplus, not for the sake of reducing the bill, but to become more independent, and do the same with anything similar that can be done at the local scale like smaller wind turbines. Caring about environmental safety is secondary and will be dealt in the future when we will have the luxury of caring about this. Collecting coal, wood and gas would be necessary too. Lots of it. And small power stations like the kind that can run on fuel for example.
Each semester people should dedicated some of their money to collecting some of this besides buying all sorts of small tools and assets in order to be able to do repairs on as many things as possible. Obviously being able to be independent from the grid and still be able to use a fridge to keep food and medicine fresh is a plus. Fertilizer and sanitizing chemicals would be a good addition to all of this. On top of the primary requirements to stay well fed and alive come those which are related to communication and warfare. First of all, any kind of radio system. Then chemicals necessary for party poppers and fire arms and material to replenish ammunition stocks besides those assembled from basic expenditures.
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>>8282
>antisemitism: saying things about Jews that Jews don't like
>making it illegal
The recent events from Trump's cabinet and the complete lack of reaction are telling me he and his cronies might really put it off, it's that insane.
Okay, we have discussed things ranging from the topic to insurgent rebellion.
I will now propose a subject which I believe we should push and why:

Jews, blacks, and hispanics have a congressional racial caucus. White people should have one too

This is not as much an achievable goal in the short term, but something that appeals to the fairness instinct among our race. This unequal treatment of races begs the question: Why are jews grouping up? Because this grants them power and prestige. Okay, so why then are we not grouping up?
The objective is to get White people thinking racially. That should always be the objective. The lack of this is the cause of 90% of our problems.
The constant, overwhelming barrage of media is one of the System's favorite tools to keep the people pacified with materialistic frovilities, wired in a state of constant fear and otherwise frozen in a zombie-like stupor. Too much information in too short a span of time has been proven to numb the brain and reduce analytical capabilities in the subject. Therefore a White resistance militia should consider attacking nexuses of media broadcasting. TV stations, cell towers, ISP centers, etc. Without constant entertainment, advertising and other intellectual flotsam crowding their heads people will be forced to confront the physical reality around them, and consequently will be more susceptible to our propaganda. Maybe knock out the power for efficiency's sake, but media centers are still priority targets.
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>>8488
The problem is, say insurgents took out the power to a large area and as a result, several dozen or even hundreds of people in hospitals died. That's immediately a bad look and a very poor way to begin a revolt. Nevermind the annoyance and harm this will do to regular, non-hospitalized White people. Elderly would also suffer. 
The Turner Diaries present a very wise piece on this, actually one of Dr. Pierce's most inciteful piece on revolutionary violence and one of the least cited for some reason.
The rebels begin attacking the power grid and even more serious infrastructure. Mr. Turner contemplates this and first assumes that they should have been doing this from the beginning. Yet he concludes that it was much wiser to initiate the revolt by attacking the aristocracy, the niggers, and the jews because this mentally split the White working class from the regime. Normal White people realized that the insurgents were not targeting them, but universally reviled politicians, bankers, and media bosses.
Today, these hateful institutions are even more despised than in the 70s. 
Simply put, it is unwise to initiate a rebellion by attacking (even indirectly) the very population you need to win over to your side. The first objective for all insurgencies is to split your core demographic away from the regime. By attacking the grid early on, this pushes them into the arms of the jew.
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>>8492
Never said it should be the opening salvo of the revolution, but that's a good point. 

>Normal White people realized that the insurgents were not targeting them, but universally reviled politicians, bankers, and media bosses.
>Today, these hateful institutions are even more despised than in the 70s. 
Ironically, as much as I despise social media it has done us a great favor, albeit unintentionally. Because many of these rotten vermin are publicly known and so are their misdeeds, we won't have to do much to compound their elimination with propaganda efforts. Even if they're not widely known and repudiated individuals their despicable actions will be widely known in prompt fashion thanks to the instant and globalized nature of media and information technologies, as we all saw with the case of Brian Thompson. Relatively few people knew who he was or what he even did as his day job, then overnight millions of people found out that he was a CEO, worked in one of America's most repulsively evil medical insurance companies (an already contemptible sector to boot) and was responsible for the deaths of thousands out of naked sociopathic greed, all without the assassin having to release a communique or a manifesto. No need to even propagandize, even, his death was widely mocked and judged just, rendering the lügenpresse's attempts to paint him as an undeserving victim fail miserably. Again, without the shooter having to lift a finger. That is powerful stuff, and we should use it to our advantage. Any serious revolutionary should be assembling a list of priority targets right now.

Which in turn led me to ponder something. Should we style our initial direct actions as vigilantism? Of course I know a case can be made that our cause is of the vigilante persuasion, but I'm not going to quibble on the details. The point is, by making a point of targeting more or less universally despised persons in the initial stages (nigger gang members, exploitative landlords, healthcare CEOs, et cetera) and perhaps portioning some of the loot gained in the field to visible charitative causes (such as helping an elderly neighbor with the rent or a struggling shopkeeper with settling his mortgage) in anonymous fashion we can build an image of ourselves as heroes and protectors of "the little guy" not unlike the Robin Hood of legend. Obviously the lügenpresse will smear us as "racist gangsters" and "extremist terrorists" and all that rot, but your local cell's neighbors will not feel much incentive to turn them over to the authorities when the neighborhood is visibly safer and happier thanks to our efforts. The media is in the pocket of the enemy so we shouldn't care what image they project about us anyway, what matters is that our next door neighbor is grateful to us for our protection and help. On top of that perhaps we should have a public-facing branch of our hypothetical organization (masquerading as a garden variety co-op or sports club or what have you obviously) perform small public services, foment a spirit de corps as a prelude to awakenign racial consciousness and act as a listening post of sorts to gauge the local neighbors' attitude towards our organization, not to mention a recruitment avenue. 

All of this leads me to wonder if perhaps that is why the authorities crack down so hard on vigilantism. We've all heard the cliche that the cops will sit with a thumb up their asses and not do anything about the rampant violent crime, the gangs terrorizing the populace, the drugs flooding the streets, and so on, but will fall down like the wrath of heaven on anyone trying to take action against the aforementioned. Or the other well-known cliche, that if you try to defend yourself against a feral nigger crackhead to avoid becoming a statistic you'll get the book thrown at you while the nigger will get a slap on the wrist. Or you'll be jailed for a racist offense when you shoved the nigger trying to stab you, if you live in Europe. Regardless, that must be why vigilantism is dealt with in such a vigorous and diligent manner. The vigilantes will eventually run out of nigger muggers and corner dope pushers to lynch, and inevitably will begin to look into who's enabling if not outright sponsoring the criminal vermin tormenting their neighborhood. It's a trial that inexorably hits upon the JQ, and that they can't have.

In short, the crux of the matter: Should we style ourselves as vigilantes, at least in the initial stages of the revolution?
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>>8493
It certainly would not hurt to have "Nazi" always show up in the news next to "Kills gang members in apparent revenge murder". No matter how the jews spin it to look bad, Whites will quietly applaud. 

At the very least it would be better than being known for shooting up Walmarts.
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>>8488
>media centers are still priority targets.
It's been argued that taking control of them would be preferable but this requires a whole different kind of chain of command whereas merely ruining them for a prolonged amount of time is easier as long as the damage is severe.
Shooting journos down won't suffice, there has to be material damage. Millions have to go up in flames. Look at Charlie Hebdo, it's still running despite several boomers who worked there being turned into Swiss cheese by abduls.
We mean explosions and copious fires if we manage to get in. Otherwise bigger explosions. At best call the cops and the company that there's a big bomb and leave them five minutes to get the fuck out, depending on whether you think the journos need to die along many neutral civilians.
Think of the PIRA for example, once it's started you keep going and putting pressure on them again and again until they, not we, tire of it, casualties be damned.


>>8492
>The problem is, say insurgents took out the power to a large area and as a result, several dozen or even hundreds of people in hospitals died. That's immediately a bad look and a very poor way to begin a revolt. 
On the beginning yes but it will soon appear advantageous if not plain necessary to hit these fragile never centers. In many cities the hospitals are clogged with shitskins anyway. They are true leaches. It will be up to us to arrange for the people on our side to get access to hospitals in areas further away from these urban centers, which will be a work harder than ever since Jews are doing all that is possible to force people back into the prison-ghettos where they can force people to mix, to destroy their racial instincts all the while being monitored.
>Elderly would also suffer.
If the war gets dirty it will be an acceptable loss. Again, most of our elders will hopefully be living far enough from the cities to be spared the effects of the civil war.
Think of the future and the children, not of the old ones.
>Today, these hateful institutions are even more despised than in the 70s.
>Simply put, it is unwise to initiate a rebellion by attacking (even indirectly) the very population you need to win over to your side.
Perhaps but in the 70s you had little mixing, minorities lived in their own squalid ghettos for the most part, and Whites lived within the major cities which today have all turned into Democratic cesspits.
The conditions are totally different. The ruin of the big cities has far more pros than cons today than it did half a century ago. You hit the power, the media, the banking, the faggots, the traitors, the shitskins, the leftists. Let me tell you that, if you could nuke them flat it would be worth the price and anyone complaining about the casualties would be silenced because this is how brutal we would need to be.

Denounce the Talmud and don't forget that we will have to kill traitors and kikes.
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>>8501
>Shooting journos down won't suffice, there has to be material damage.
No reason not to do both, honestly. Journos all deserve to die, and making an example out of a few of them is a worthy pursuit. Keep in mind that journos, like most Systemites, are abject cowards. The only reason they speak with such repulsive smugness in their anti-White columns is because they never expect to suffer any consequences for their behavior. If a journo is found brutally beaten to death or what have you the day after publishing some anti-White screed, and this pattern repeats several times, other journos will be more reluctant to go to work or even blog from their homes, et cetera. Hitting such a building with bombs is quite a time-consuming affair due to the planning needed, so having teams go out and pick off journos here and there is a good way to maintain the pressure and keep them from catching their breath. Newspaper offices and TV studios will reinforce their security after the first few attacks, but the average journo will not enjoy such increased protection and is much easier prey. Plus, don't underestimate the psychological impact of such killings. They will think twice about parroting System propaganda if they don't feel safe even in their own homes.
I wonder what is the percentage of more pragmatic people within the global kiked elite who understand they may be pushing their luck too much, especially if they're trying to get a global recession and crash several economies in the process, which could very well trigger a chain reaction they could not control anymore. The last thing they would want is too much instability. If their calendar is right, they have something like more than two centuries to wrap things up for good. Why would they not bet on a much slower slow boiling? They must buy themselves time to let the recent Gazan massacres be forgotten. But if they keep adding a mess upon a mess in order to mask and divert attention from the previous mess, they will get themselves bogged down in a refractive mosaic of issues that no money in the world, not even a global war will be able to defuse. I for one don't even understand why these idiots have been accelerated things so much, so recklessly. It's absurd and it's very showing how they keep trying to prop up fake celebs and politicians to speak in the names of all the people who hate kikes with a burning passion, and there certainly were far more efficient and shrewd ways to control the entirety of the world without putting this fragile balance at risk. Although world domination needs Zionism, current Zionism is almost too retarded and too Jewish on paper for its own good lol. They are now rushing like headless hens, which from a people used to accrue power at a very slow pace comes off as very antithetical to their traditional and far more efficient strategy. I think the internal superstitious influence may not be very helpful to them, the type obsessed with muh third temple and bracing every single major crisis and terror psyops on the astronomical calendar and specific dates. It's like these people have been sniffing too much vaporous gematria.
>>8493
>Should we style our initial direct actions as vigilantism?
>portioning some of the loot gained in the field to visible charitative causes (such as helping an elderly neighbor with the rent or a struggling shopkeeper with settling his mortgage)
This is ideal. 
There are three broad kinds of armed resistance: Terrorism, insurgency, and conventional civil war.
Terrorists don't necessarily need support from their population if they can get foreign support (which, incidentally, we never will), but terrorists have zero chances of actually taking power.
Conventional civil war would involve several US governors openly seceding and, somehow, bringing over a sizeable portion of the US army with them. This kind of resistance has implicit public support and can elicit more support by virtue of being able to openly exert a monopoly on violence in a geographic area. 
It is the insurgent which is most tied to the people. Without public support in the form of intelligence, donations, weapons purchases (particularly ammunition, fertilizer, fuel, etc), assisting with escape & evasion, and even just abstaining from calling the cops every time something suspicious happens is critical to the success of the true Revolutionary.

In an ideal situation, a significant percentage of the aggrieved group (White people) simultaneously oppose the regime enough to not rat on suspicious activities (which are unavoidable) while also supportive of the rebels in tangible ways. Such as the aforementioned things. Plus, rebels will always suffer attrition, so there must always be fresh recruits from the aggrieved population. Disloyalty among the population can be corrected with violence but without a base level of support, violence directed against civilian* traitors is meaningless and probably counter-productive.
*Civilians referring to non-politician/jew/journalist/banker/soldier/police (btw, not a good target)/CEOs/niggers/spics/weirdo leftist activists.

I'm 100% for what you proposed. I will only add a few cautionary words:
1. All warfare is extraordinarily expensive. The insurgents in the coming struggle will be a net money sink. More like a black hole for cash. Any loot gained will not cover the costs of violence.
2. Given the nature of the modern economy, "loot" is slim and far between. Bob Matthews attempted to fund his insurgent force by robbing banks. Interestingly, this is about all they managed to accomplish and I suspect that they were not able to net enough cash to fund much more than more bank robberies. Ideally, robbery should be a plan B and funds should come from donations because robbery is violence and every act of violence is a risk of failure. Each failure leads to lost men and loss of the aura of invincibility. Each failure could leave evidence which the regime uses to kill more patriots.
3. It may be best that there is a peaceful wing of the party which handles charity. At best, the regime does not shut it down. At worst, the mass arrest of peaceful activists only serves to delegitimize the regime and hands us more martyrs.
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>>8501
>It will be up to us to arrange for the people on our side to get access to hospitals in areas further away from these urban centers,
That is a mountain of logistics to consider. This seems more like late stage rebellion where the rebels evolve from insurgents who do not hold territory to full blown conventional civil war.
Obviously, this is the long term objective but it is a distant one.

>If the war gets dirty it will be an acceptable loss.
If an action gains some tangible result that outweighs the costs, it is acceptable. In the initial stages of a Revolution, it is unjustifiable because the costs outweigh the benefits.

If (multiple) nukes were an option, I would say that the benefits outweigh the costs because such a catastrophic blow to the regime might unbalance it enough to even the playing field AND kills the rich and powerful elites who are the true threat and enemy. But as I outlined in OP, a few strikes against the grid with no ability to KEEP the grid down permanently would accomplish little if not less than nothing. It would be spectacular AND it would be destabilizing for the regime. Yes. But rioting niggers does not lead to White people detaching themselves from the regime. If anything, it makes them cheer on the regime for putting them down. The people we need to riot are the White people.

>Denounce the Talmud and don't forget that we
Not sure if this is directed at me but, sure, I denounce the Talmud.
But I can do something far more impactful, something which I know that communists and (I am pretty sure) jews cannot ever do: Prove that communists do not give a shit about economics
Communists are religiously leftist. The word "leftist" is more important to them than anything else and they desperately value the feeling of thinking of themselves as "left wing"
Any argument? No? Of course not. This is observable fact. Even communists admit this, though they do not say so as dismissively as I describe it. Being "right wing" is similarly critical to their existence. Right wing is like Satan, they NEED to believe in it or their religion falls apart.
Therefore, we may use leftism and right wingism to find out their true values. If they value something higher than economic socialism, that is their true motivation. 

Q: Mr leftist, I am pro labor unions, anti-capitalism, anti-big banks, anti-pollution, I want all businesses to be worker co-ops, and I want to arrest all rich people and redistribute their assets evenly to all...
Q: Would you say that I am left wing or right wing?
A: Oh, you are left wing! Very left wing! These are left wing positions and adding them all up makes you left wing!
Q: ...ahem, I wasn't finished. "redistribute their assets evenly to all White people." I am also a White nationalist.
A: REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE! That's RIIIGHT WIIING EXTREEEMISM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111
Q: White nationalism is just one issue. Does me being pro-White cancel out all the other issues which you claimed were core to your identity as a leftist?
A: YES! HITLER HITLER HITLER HITLER.... RACIST RACIST RACIST RACIST.... WHITE WHITE WHIE WHITE

We may now conclude that leftists do not seriously care about labor unions, worker co-ops, or wealth redistribution. They would like these things, but they are not core to the leftist mindset. If being pro-White outweighs every single other "leftist" issue combined, then we may conclude that being anti-White is the only issue leftists care about.
Thus, communists do not care about workers' rights. They care about hurting White people.

No communist can ever come to these conclusions or even pretend to hold them because this dismantles communism irrevocably. I'm not sure whether jews are as attached to communism to reveal the truth in order to pretend to be pro-White on anonymous image boards, but I would suspect that they cannot make themselves argue against communism in a pro-White way.
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>>8511
We aren't going to argue our way of of this. We either fight our way out or go extinct.
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>8511
>We may now conclude that leftists do not seriously care about labor unions, worker co-ops, or wealth redistribution.
Well duh, leftists aren't shy about expressing their vitriolic contempt for working class people, especially farmers and rural workers. Some of them are so cunted in the head and so irrevocably detached from reality that they accuse farmers of being "kulak" or bougie or what have you, and want to eradicate farms and convert them into anthill apartment blocks because "food comes from the grocery store". To say nothing of their stance on mass immigration. Truth is, not a single leftist has ever worked a day in their lives, let alone a blue collar job. Every single one is an indolent trust fund baby, all the way back to their idol Karl Marx.

But I know I'm preaching to the choir here, and everyone already knows this. Even so.
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>>8512
That is what I am talking about.

>>8513
> leftists aren't shy about expressing their vitriolic contempt for working class people, especially farmers and rural workers
They do. However, they also think that they are champions of the working class. So they imagine a working class of fellow weird tranny leftists who never do hard work and love living with niggers (even though, ironically, said communists NEVER live near niggers). Basically, they imagine subhuman slaves that they will lead.
It's disgusting. I hate them so goddamn much.
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I feel the need to point out you don't need to blow up a power station in order to compromise the System's infrastructure. Obviously it's the most decisive path of attack, but smaller sabotage operations inbetween are also effective. Whether you're a layman throwing rocks covered in copper wire at power lines or a trained electrician conductive more surgically precise sabotage, these quick-and-dirty actions will have far-reaching effects, on top of being cost-efficient. The trick is to do it on a semi-constant basis, on several places at once. You see, one common misunderstanding is the belief that the System has limitless resources. It does have a grain of truth, the System does have functionally infinite resources, however it does not have limitless resources at any one time. What does this mean? Simple. For the sake of this exercise let's imagine you roll up to a transformer in a bycicle late at night. You throw a pipe bomb at it, and as you pedal away a deafening bang accompanied by streetlights shutting off lets you know the transformer is toast. Naturally the people responsible for the maintainance and monitoring of the electric grid will notice this, but what happens next?
>They have to dispatch engineers to the transformer's location.
>The engineers will have to drive up to the transformer and diagnose what happened to it.
>Best case scenario the transformer will have to be repaired, worst case scenario it will have to be completely replaced.
>They'll have to cordon off that section of street to be able to work, impeding traffic and slowing the city's logistics even more.
>Also that area of the city will have no power until they finish, which will take anywhere from several hours to days.
Even if you don't pick a crucial target and wipe out power in a sizeable area, you're still costing the System a lot of resources in materials, parts, manpower, man hours, and so on. It's a pain in the ass. Now multiply that, have a handful of guys going all over the city doing the same thing on an almost nightly basis. Or a dozen, or more. You're gonna run the repair crews ragged before long, many are going to quit because of the impossible workload you're forcing on them, and that will lead to even worse infrastructural decay and vulnerability. 

You may object that after the first couple times they're going to wise up and post security details around relay stations, maybe even individual transformers and what have you. But therein's the rub. Posting police or sending them out on patrol also costs resources, manpower, man-hours. Every cop out there patrolling the street is also vulnerable to ambushes and drive-bys. Every cop guarding a relay station is a cop that isn't guarding a welfare center, a TV studio, a newspaper office, or town hall. Every cop that gets forced to put in overtime standing around guarding a relay station is a tired, stressed, demoralized cop that will be less effective at cracking down on dissidents and insurgents. Every cop that gets domed while patrolling the street is a cop that won't get his paycheck and kickbacks, and no cop wants to be that cop. The average cop is a cowardly thug, he won't selflessly give his life away just to guard a stupid power line, and if he starts getting the idea that he might not come home if he goes out on patrol and not even his fellow brutes in blue will be able to guard his life, his morale will plummet and he will be even worse at his job, which is a net win for us due to how it weakens the System's image of power and infallibility. It all adds up.

TL;DR: When you're fighting a vastly more powerful enemy, the best way to take it down is to bleed him dry one thimble's worth at a time. Death of a thousand cuts.
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>>8514
>>8513
I meant to add that there is something dangerously similar to this that "the right" does.
Many fascists will openly proclaim that the White working class are subhuman slaves and that considering them is a waste of time. This is even more stupid than what leftists do. At least they're trying to get normal people on their side. They just want to force normal people to become homosexual nigger lovers. Yet the very fact that they are not homosexual nigger lovers means that the people are closer ideologically to us than to them. Yet instead of being heartened by this, some fascists help the leftists by calling the working class homosexual nigger-lovers. 
It's insane.
Without serious public support, we will never win. We must mobilize our people. They are already ideologically opposed to marxism. They must be made to realize that they are in favor of fascism, or if this wordism is not palatable, substitute another word. Ideas matter. Words do not.
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>>8516
>Yet the very fact that they are not homosexual nigger lovers means that the people are closer ideologically to us than to them.
>Yet instead of being heartened by this, some fascists help the leftists by calling the working class homosexual nigger-lovers. 
Sure. These people will rant at length about how much they hate "Marxists" and "wokesters" and "cancel culture" and so on. They will nod and readily agree on everything when you explain how bad those things are, and how we should completely reject them. Those are still socially acceptable positions to take. Talk to them about race though, and watch how fast they scurry away, mumbling platitudes about how they're not "racists" or "nazis" and how their best friends are black or something along those lines. The sad truth is that most White people today are spiritually comatose, or spiritually syphillitic as Commander Rockwell put it. They're submerged in a solipsistic consumerist stupor where all that matters to them is having their little creature comforts next month. They will not risk being socially ostracized on social media for espousing bad goy views, they're utterly terrified of being claled racist or nazis, they fear those things more than they fear death itself. And they fear death a whole lot, because dying will mean no longer having the chance to enjoy their beer, their sportsball, their Netflix, their weekend BBQ. 

Unfortunately those people are 90% of the population and they're completely useless for our cause. Instead of this mass appeal approach that has borne zero results in the last several decades we should focus on appealing to those who are completely alienated by the System and the current world. People who abhor the noisy, vapid, superficial and blatantly fake society and culture of the modern world. People who can't stand the thought of rotting alive in an office their whole lives just to support infinite niggers and be told everything is their fault, with their only meager consolation being goyslop and soulless entertainment. In short, people who can't or won't have a place in our current world and reject it entirely. I know what you're thinking and no, I'm not saying we should go around recruiting hobos and tweakers. I'm talking about men who refute, reject and rebuke the "values" of our modern society and yearn for something else. And that's something you can't bring up with fancy rhetoric, that is an inherent characteristic of these given individuals. No boomer will pick up a gun and fight the kikes, but a young antisocial man will.
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>>8522
>but a young antisocial man will.
No shit? All five of them?
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>>8523
Quality over quantity. One young man who is loyal, dedicated to the cause and willing to learn is worth a million fat, complacent boomers.
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>>8524
The millions of complacent fatties will drown out any waves you make by continuing to feed the system
>>8510
Keep the terrorism for System territories while supporting the local White population that's willing to help. That's what all foreign populations do, starting with the economical side of things as per the Chinese in all the Chinatowns here and there, all the way to Afghani. Which means pressure has to be put on your own population to make sure it behaves like a nice dog and has no silly idea of trying to betray us. Demonstrative cases would help maintain the discipline. I also think that at some point the law will have to be ignored in a large part so that we shall carry weapons in the counties, states or nations where it's illegal. By the time we're all armed, what will they do? Prosecute us how? They need cops to arrest people. If cops don't even enter Muslim areas despite them hardly walking around armed like Akhmeds, just imagine how things would look like as soon as our militias would have feet on the ground, establishing a de facto alternate government.
>In an ideal situation, a significant percentage of the aggrieved group (White people) simultaneously oppose the regime enough to not rat on suspicious activities (which are unavoidable) while also supportive of the rebels in tangible ways. 
It really depends on how much our power is asserted.
The coming issue is while American is bringing boys back home to enhance territorial security, it's obvious that more European multicultural troops will also be used to contain Whites. I hardly see generals siding with us. The vast majority are either plain traitors, cowards or cucks who barely saw a theater of war after walking past the gates of their military academies. But then again when it comes to potential traitors, we will need to promptly put in place ad hoc courts and make examples of those who are found to be acting against us.
>Disloyalty among the population can be corrected with violence but without a base level of support, violence directed against civilian* traitors is meaningless and probably counter-productive.
That's the main issue. You need to be setting our bases in areas that are definitely White and not too liberal. From there the propaganda outlets must quickly be put in place and disseminated as fast and often as possible, at the very least to counter official System lies which are spewed on the televitzion and internet.
>police (btw, not a good target)
Mild disagreement here. As soon as the power struggle can be shifted our way so that cops cannot take our people away during the day or night time through forty men raids, we should really do everything for this to happen, with for example an ability to quickly react and establish road blocks to prevent their vehicles from moving away from the place where they went to arrest someone. When these fuckers will understand that they'll eat lead if they try to put their hands on our people, they may have second thoughts about touring our areas. They will certainly feel not welcomed and will begin to be equipped like real army guys, going around in armored vehicles too. At this point it will be futile to pretend we're not engaged in some kind of growing civil war that's just waiting for a true mobilization of White forces to begin shooting back and contesting entire zones. We will need no-cop zones ASAP. They may cut money and power from a distance, but a proper local support with basic assets such as fuel food medicine and weapons will easily remediate this.
>point 2
If the insurgency will be a money sink and if we can't mount enough funds, then we have to make sure that the other side bleeds money and grinds to a halt. Look at Heathrow, there's been fires in the power station. They put them out while the authorities have mustered the anti-terrorists to look into it. It's really easy to break an economy and the enemy cannot be everywhere, especially when his power critically depends on a vast network of fragile infrastructures.
https://apnews.com/article/britain-london-fire-heathrow-airport-6d63b2f6615e8ff39f2647641bfbc160

On a side note, there was a recent $50M movie lately about a modern US civil war. We were privy to the last days of it as Washington and finally the White House are stormed and the President felled. It was obviously shot from the perspective of Democrats winning but inverting sides in my head wasn't that hard and it gave a nice idea of what might happen. The war scenes were rather kino to watch and I could easily swap targets mentally and seeing CIA, FBI and ADL buildings being taken and their respective chiefs and leaders made to eat dirt for good.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_War_(film)
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>>8511
>But rioting niggers does not lead to White people detaching themselves from the regime.
It does if it reaches a level that the government cannot manage anymore. It's already at a loss on cash as we speak and its pathetic justice system is saturated, its jails are full. It will be impossible to bring back even a gilmpse of fairness and justice for the people if the chimpouts are accelerated on purpose. The violence will spread, shitskins will form looting gangs, kill and rape. People will either fight or die. They'll need guns and this will install in the minds of people that it's the way it should be as the government, the source of this mess, is incapable of quashing it. It will bring people back to their senses, let their natural instincts return to life, allow primal fear to take control of their minds, break their stupor and make way to ruthless methods of survival, which are the necessary conditions for the emergence of cunning war lords. Making sure that the state cannot recover while keeping the food lines broken for the urban areas will prevent peace from returning. As soon as the weakness shows, we will continue pressing on until the Beast collapses. And then we will finish it. Forever.
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>>8515
The mere fact of having gypsies stealing copper wire rolls can push entire works back one or two years and cost a lot to a city. Fake bomb calls for airposts and railroad stations until one does blow up will also strongly mess up with basic flow of goods and resources. Combine this with judges found drowning in puddles of mud (case in point, the last German judge who recently gave the equivalent of a slap on the hand of a migrant who raped a little kid by forcing him to s--- his d---).

>>8516
>Many fascists will openly proclaim that the White working class are subhuman slaves and that considering them is a waste of time. 
There's a cattle mentality in about every "class" of a society but I hardly think what you said holds true outside of a few nutcases who are probably ex-leftists or pretentious posh-christian retards who will just quickly turn against anyone anyway.
In a lot of countries the White conservative vote fails to win because it's been diluted and is opposed by migrants who in a large part still vote against Whites. This is not to say that voting is good but it gives an overall idea of where people stand regarding certain political trends.
>we should focus on appealing to those who are completely alienated by the System and the current world.
There are more of them than you think but if you limit yourself to the truly destitute you will not get much support.
>No boomer will pick up a gun and fight the kikes, but a young antisocial man will.
This is a false dichotomy. There's a lot of interesting profiles outside of these two extremes.
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>>8522
>Most people hold views which are considered right wing extremism by the ruling class, despite billions of dollars of anti-White propaganda... however, most people are not as pure as I am, therefore they are useless
The very fact that billions of dollars of propaganda spent every year starting at birth has not even made them liberals is proof that the population are extremely resistant to it. If the peasant class were not naturally extremely racist, everyone should be an egalitarian liberal by now. 

>we should focus on appealing to those who are completely alienated by the System and the current world.
>describes us
Okay. So we have recruited ourselves. Now what?
What is the next step of your master plan?
<crashing this plane...
Yes but this has also "borne zero results in the last several decades"
The cold, painful fact is that most of us (I am talking about racially awakened White men) are absolutely terrible at revolutionary warfare. More than 99.9% never do anything violent. The .1% who do literally have only taken out some mexicans at a walmart, some niggers at a Tops, some jews at a synagogue, & some Muslims at a mosque. And they always get arrested (without even resisting the cops, mind you) at the end. Annoyingly, they never go after politicians either.
Compare the sum total of our "success" in revolutionary warfare with 20th century European resistance struggles. Do we come out as comparable to even the Basque?

I do not see a path to victory that doesn't involve our race.
>>8530
Very wise ideas here.
>Keep the terrorism for System territories while supporting the local White population that's willing to help. That's what all foreign populations do
During the Afghan war, the Taliban enjoyed huge levels of support & intelligence from the "civilian" Pashtun population. In Vietnam, every Viet civilian was a potential spy, VC support crew, supplier of food, medicine, & ammunition, & assistant in E&E. Insurgencies are total war.
>pressure has to be put on your own population to make sure it behaves like a nice dog and has no silly idea of trying to betray us.
Wisdom.
>The vast majority [of generals/politicians] are either plain traitors, cowards or cucks 
>You need to be setting our bases in areas that are definitely White and not too liberal


>When these fuckers will understand that they'll eat lead if they try to put their hands on our people, they may have second thoughts about touring our areas
I concede you're right here. I'm not opposed to retaliatory, educational strikes. Say that some fat fuckhead shows over-eagerness to prosecute White people or tamp down insurgent activities. He ought to be killed as an example. I hesitate to include his family for the moral effect of killing children, but it depends on the situation. And of course all nigger cops are targets.
What I caution against is going out of the way to target cops.
1. Americans have a weird obsession with police. When the media plasters the picture of a smiling cop on TV and says that he was killed, for some reason grown men will get all teary eyed. 
2. It's dangerous. Cops are replicable. Awakened, competent White insurgents are not. Even a single death or worse, capture, from combat is akin to a a military disaster. Going after hard targets is a huge risk, especially early on. This is why I am not immediately dismissive towards punishing the families (& preferably houses) of the most heinous police as a lesson.
Ideally, in my opinion, cops should be avoided and ignored unless they go out of their way to be a nuisance. 

Funny you should mention Heathrow. IIRC, a civilian drone once shut down that entire, critically important airport for hours. And the PIRA used to fire dummy mortars at the tarmac to shut down air travel & cost the Brits millions. 

I pirated the film and found it meh. It's war-porn and that does have an appeal to me. But the scene with the "racist" was absolutely knee smacking. I loved it. I like how the jews cannot even write racists correctly and he had to ask the gook where he was from before shooting him. So if the Chinese guy had said, "Oh yessir, I'm from Texas," presumably the racist would have smiled and said, "Heeeeell yeaah! A fellow Ay-murrican! Yeehaw!" and let him go, kek.
Just like he let that spic kid go because she was from Louisiana.
Shame it ended too soon. Shame he didn't shoot all of them on the spot for being journalists. That's what I'd have done if I were him.
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>>8531
That'd be a category 5 chimpout. Maybe that would work if military units of niggers went over to the rioters. That'd be a real civil war. But niggers are not yet in a position where they could seriously threaten ZOG.

>>8533
>In a lot of countries the White conservative vote fails to win because it's been diluted and is opposed by migrants who in a large part still vote against Whites.
True. This, I have found, is one of the most effective "ins" to reason with conservatives. They are justifiably frightened about what will happen to their little team when they are a minority. They know that niggers & spics will never vote right. What they need to understand is that when they are significantly weak, they will be exterminated. Physically exterminated. It'll be like Rhodesia or South Africa, but 10 times worse.

>if you limit yourself to the truly destitute you will not get much support.
I don't dispute that but reasoning with middle class White people is difficult. They are already benefiting from the status quo. 
I'm not talking about ministering to bums, I'm talking about everyone White and not making a 6 figure salary.
>>8536
The thing is, cops will never stop going after our people, not to mention they'll also jail and beat up random innocents either under suspicion they're with us, to make it look like they're getting any results, or simply out of petty revenge and to vent their frustrations. The old adage that the largest gang in any country is the police rings true, the average cop is little more than a bully and a thug, and his buddies in blue operate like a cartel. The point is, retaliatory strikes won't be enough because they'll be out on patrol and kicking down doors to search for us, they'll be an active threat once things kick off. 

Because we currently lack the numbers and firepower to completely crush them, the best way to deal with them is with surgical strikes, ambushes and psychological warfare. It's not cold unfeeling robots we're dealing with (not yet anyway), we're dealing with flesh and blood enemies that feel pain and fear, that get tired, that have no greater ambition or ideology, nothing driving them but greed and sadism. By and large they're selfish cowards who will resent being put in danger by their higher-ups and are already demoralized by not knowing if they'll come home alive from dealing with a belligerent nigger crackhead. Imagine then, what effect it'll have on their morale when there's an organized group out there that is targeting them specifically, has no compunction against killing them in their own homes, actively ambushes them when they're on patrol, and has made very clear that anyone opposing them has just signed their own death warrant. And most importantly, has done so time and time again and gotten away with it. A good portion of their number will turn their badge in and go home to lay low, and the rest will be utterly demoralized. 

As for your objections, though sensible worries (I've turned those very thoughts in my head for some time) I can readily refute them.
>1. Americans have a weird obsession with police. When the media plasters the picture of a smiling cop on TV and says that he was killed, for some reason grown men will get all teary eyed.
System brainwashing is one hell of a drug indeed. That said, we live in the age of information, which is something we should capitalize on. The System will do everything in its power to make us look bad, it will never give us a "fair shake" (this is why you don't talk to journos by the way) and so our victims will be made to look like innocent martyrs. 

Let's take what you said for example. One good evening a couple of our men shoot a police detective and vanish into the night. The next day all the news channels, even the supposedly liberal and anti-cop ones, are running puff pieces about the dead cop, singing his praises, plastering his smiling face everywhere and running loops of his crying family and friends nonstop while lambasting his executioners as "extremist thugs" and "terrorists" and whatnot. At the same time, on the internet people will find that the detective in question was a whoremonger, a thief, a drunkard (even on duty), guilty of planting evidence and of selling drugs on the side. No matter how much the System media prostitutes screech that it's all "le conspiracies", the image of the dead cop as a saintlike martyr is forever tarnished. With multiple cops lying dead on the pavement as a result of our actions and their misdeeds posted in public (it's easily acquired information anyway), the narrative will collapse in on itself as the sheer corruption of the System's forces is thrown into sharp relief.

Look what happened with Brian Thompson, if you don't believe me. Doesn't matter he wasn't a cop, just look what happened in the aftermath.

>2. It's dangerous. Cops are replicable. Awakened, competent White insurgents are not. Even a single death or worse, capture, from combat is akin to a a military disaster.
Nobody said this enterprise would be easy or safe. This is why every recruit should be extensively drilled and every operation planned thoroughly before anyone goes out on the field. Like it or not, this is the most important war we'll ever fight, no amount of danger should deter us because what is at stake is the very future of our race.

>This is why I am not immediately dismissive towards punishing the families (& preferably houses) of the most heinous police as a lesson.
This is the best way to go about it. Again, the average cop is a cowardly sadistic bully hiding behind his badge and gun. If those things can't keep him safe but instead make him a target, and if he's in danger of a brutal death even in his own home, the average cop will think twice about going after us no matter how much the System urges him to, and likely will quit altogether.

>Ideally, in my opinion, cops should be avoided and ignored unless they go out of their way to be a nuisance. 
And they will, so that's not an option. I must reiterate that as soon as the System catches wind there's a White revolutionary group working towards its destruction, it will scramble every single resource it has, and that means cops patrolling everywhere, stopping people on the streets and searching houses. Police have to be dealt with and sooner rather than later. They're the main obstacle between us and the System's masters (or at least the first big one) and should be dealt with accordingly.
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>>8536
>What I caution against is going out of the way to target cops.
Agreed. Obviously, all violent actions will need to be measured. I believe it's possible to get local sheriffs and the likes to, well, not necessarily be on our side but not being exactly super zealous to work for the ZOG either. At some point some of them may even grow a soft spot for us, but we shouldn't become weak and complacent, the rules should be clear. Stay where you are, leave us alone, focus on the migrants and all will be fine. And if your higher ups start raining shit on you and threatening you and your family, we may have a way to find you a job so you won't be bothered again.
For this we will definitely need to build a multi-pronged network which will have to be able to guarantee a fallback option for those who definitely can't stand the anti-White authoritarian pressure anymore. This channel will also be exploited by the enemy to shove in snitches so we would have to be careful.
>1. Americans have a weird obsession with police. When the media plasters the picture of a smiling cop on TV and says that he was killed, for some reason grown men will get all teary eyed. 
It's not all so weird. In many ways America is a rather right-wing country but where every single right-wing idea inherited from centuries of European culture and life has been subverted and put upside down.
>2
It depends on what kind of people are given guns on our side. Some training will definitely need to become mandatory. Nothing too heavy but basics about shooting, maintenance, logistics, radio use and signals and finally urban or semi-urban maneuvers would be useful. Learning about all the habits and codes used by police and military forces would be useful too, starting with the slang terms.
The ideal solution would be that as long as we can minimize violent action, we should precisely not go for it. Low intensity pressure through indirect and direct threats but no attacks on the health of people except for very high profile people whose murders could not be solved would be more than enough for starters, especially in very White areas. That's the benefit of it: how could potential traitors know if the White guy they stood behind at the aisle wasn't somehow part of the party, the network, a cell or else? What about that old chap who keeps looking at people walking down the street? Am I being followed right now? That's creepy and very effective. Damage the hardware before the people, but sometimes, at rare occasions, an example will need to be made. And really double down on the propaganda, the brazen pro-White talks, the recruitment, the family friends and community events, all splashed with a fairly generous dose of White folkness mood and culture to them, if only by appealing to White culture and history and putting White stuff forth and nothing else.
Another thing. Even merely using the word traitor sends very cold chills down people's spines and that's an experience we should multiply and repeat. Not even race traitor, just traitor. Like a judge, a journalist, a politician, or even a real estate pig who loves to sell houses to niggers in a rather clean and healthy even if modest neighborhood. We could already see how some people would react upon hearing that word and all it entails. Unabashed pro-Whiteism should grow and grow too. At some point we must shake off the burden of guilt and openly speak of racial solidarity and insist on how we must reach that point which will benefit us all, regardless of age or sex.
>Funny you should mention Heathrow. IIRC, a civilian drone once shut down that entire, critically important airport for hours. And the PIRA used to fire dummy mortars at the tarmac to shut down air travel & cost the Brits millions. 
Shit works. Like the Dali container ship that crashed into Baltimore's Francis Scott Key bridge in 2024.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Scott_Key_Bridge_collapse#Impact
>The debris from the collapse blocked maritime access to virtually the entirety of the Port of Baltimore; nearly 30 ships had signaled the port as their destination, and more than 40 were trapped. Only one part of the Port of Baltimore was unaffected: the Tradepoint Atlantic marine terminal at Sparrows Point, on the seaward side of the Key Bridge. Tradepoint Atlantic said on April 3 that it began preparing for an influx of redirected ships and estimated that it would unload and process 10,000 vehicles over the next 15 days.
>Maryland governor Wes Moore declared a state of emergency shortly thereafter, and Maryland Secretary of Transportation Paul Wiedefeld ordered the suspension of all shipping to and from the Port of Baltimore until further notice; trucking facilities remained operational. At 4:15 a.m., the Federal Aviation Administration imposed a 5-nautical-mile (5.8 mi; 9.3 km) temporary flight restriction around the incident site. Maersk, which chartered the vessel, saw the price of its shares decline by about 2% when trading opened at Nasdaq Copenhagen on March 26.
>The collapse blocked access to all of Baltimore's marine terminals except the Sparrows Point terminal, closing them to shipping.
>Supply chain disruptions
>While economists said the port closure was unlikely to reduce U.S. economic growth, Dun & Bradstreet estimated the weekly cost of the supply chain disruptions caused by the port closure to be $1.7 billion.
>Local effects
>Governor Moore said that 8,000 jobs could be affected by the bridge's collapse and called the disaster a "global crisis". The waterway's closure is causing an estimated daily loss of $15 million. On March 30, the Small Business Administration (SBA) announced that it would make low-interest and long-term loans of up to $2 million to small businesses hurt by the bridge collapse in the Mid-Atlantic states, and the SBA received 500 applications by April 4.
>On April 12, Moore issued an executive order under the law to start a $12.5 million program operated by the Maryland Department of Labor to prevent layoffs by port businesses.
>Litigation and insurance
>Barclays, Morningstar DBRS, Fitch Ratings, and the Insurance Information Institute estimated that the insured losses from the collision could range from $1 billion to $4 billion, surpassing the losses from the 2012 Costa Concordia disaster. Lloyd's of London chairman Bruce Carnegie-Brown said the claims could become the largest marine insurance loss in history.
>Wrongful death liabilities were estimated to total $350 million to $700 million. Moody's Ratings officials said most claims would likely fall on reinsurance companies, about 80 of which provide some $3 billion in coverage to Dali's insurers. The Maryland state government's insurance for the bridge covered up to $350 million for damage, while the bridge cost $60 million to construct in 1977 (about $311 million in 2024).
The simple ability to threaten such bottlenecks in liberal urban areas without necessarily using going after them would be very appreciated.
>On April 1, Grace Ocean Private and Synergy Marine Group filed a joint petition in the Maryland U.S. District Court to limit their liability to about $43.6 million under the Limitation of Liability Act of 1851.
>The legal process could last up to a decade and has been described as likely being "one of the most contentious marine insurance cases in recent decades".
>On May 2, officials at Willis Towers Watson, the bridge's insurance broker, said that Chubb Limited, the bridge's insurer, was in the process of approving a $350 million insurance claim for the state government.
>On September 18, Brawner Builders, the construction company that employed workers who died in the collapse, sued Grace Ocean and Synergy Marine for negligence and sought damages.[184] One day later, Ace American Insurance sued the companies, seeking to recoup $350 million it said it paid to the Maryland Transportation Authority as part of its property insurance policy.
>Also on September 18, the U.S. Justice Department sued the two companies, alleging negligence, mismanagement, and jury-rigging of Dali's mechanical and electrical systems. The agency sought $100 million, partly to recoup federal expenditures for the emergency response and channel restoration, and partly for punitive damages. On October 24, the department announced that Grace Ocean and Synergy Marine had agreed to pay $101.9 million to settle the government's civil claims.
>Channel restoration
>On June 10, the channel reopened, 11 weeks after the bridge's collapse.
https://www.sharqetrade.com/en/news--events/market-news/what-is-the-economic-impact-of-baltimore-bridge-collapse?Id=79841
>Baltimore is the biggest vehicle-handling port in the country, including cars and heavy farm equipment, Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg told a press briefing. He estimates there is between $100 and $200 million in value coming through the port daily, with “about $2 million in wages that are at stake every day.”
>He added in a CBS interview that ocean shippers, other ports and cargo owners are working to figure out where to divert ships headed that way. Besides the direct hit to thousands of Baltimore port workers, Maryland Governor Wes Moore warned in a CNN interview that more than 140,000 people could be indirectly impacted by disruptions.
>“The Port of Baltimore has such a significant economic impact, not just on my state,” he said. The port handled over 50 million tons of foreign cargo last year. “This is the impact it’s going to have on our country’s economy,” he added. Experts noted that the economic blow will also depend on the length of work stoppage. Ted Hampton, senior credit officer at Moody’s Ratings, said replacing the collapsed bridge “will likely take months or even years.”
https://marylandmatters.org/2024/05/08/a-bridge-too-far-reflections-on-the-dali-disaster/
>There are already a variety of calls for a regulatory response, including the suggestion to do nothing until we have a definitive answer as to which widget to fix. Additionally, The Washington Post confirmed that rebuilding the bridge will cost up to $1.9 billion.
>Despite the Coast Guard’s Swiss army knife mission, it took The Washington Post less than a month to analyze three years’ worth of Coast Guard data to reveal that there have been 424 reported incidents of large ships losing power in U.S. waters, with 103 of them occurring near a port, bridge, or other infrastructure. A USA Today analysis found that over the past 22 years there were approximately 6,000 similar incidents with 900 of them occurring near bridges.
Accidents do happen...
Sorry for the length of this post.
Something similar happened in 1980.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MV_Summit_Venture#1980_Skyway_Bridge_incident
You may look into one of Covington's book, there's a similar topic that's addressed.

>But the scene with the "racist" was absolutely knee smacking. I loved it.
#metoo
We laughed while the intent was obviously the exact opposite of that. Then the super stealthy pickup teleports in and the movie resumes its course.
>Shame it ended too soon. Shame he didn't shoot all of them on the spot for being journalists. That's what I'd have done if I were him.
Enslave the two White women for fun though, even the older one. Loot is loot. Or maybe shoot the older one. All other journos eat a bullet.
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>>8539
Everything you have said about cops is true. However, we must be very cold about this. Insurgents cannot ever make decisions based on emotion. Every single decision must be thought out and calculated to bring about the most good for the least cost. If killing cops will bring about more good than it costs, then it is worth it. But what is the loss of 5 cops? Nothing. What is the loss of 5 White rebels? An entire cell, gone. Potentially an entire regional command scrambling not to fight, but merely to survive. It might lead to the shuttering of operations for months while men go underground. 
The fog of war is hard on rebels who will not know if their lost comrades are dead or alive and talking. The regime will use torture and may even use drugs to get men to talk.
I do not like cops. But while we are in a state of peace, I will warn against recklessly expending men over emotional targets of low significance. Most cops deserve to die. But the world is cruel and we are too desperate to make mistakes. 
Please do not misunderstand me. I am not dismissing the justness of retaliation against cops. Indeed, I believe it will be necessary to a degree. But unless something gives a tangible result, no amount of justice or righteousness justifies the potential risks. When I say it is an emotional target, I mean that the rational is largely because they deserve to die rather than that it will lead to a significant blow against the regime.

>We could expose the true nature of targets
True. We could. Assuming the internet is not totally locked down by the enemy. If you think censorship is bad now, just wait until the jews feel threatened. 
>recruits must be trained to deal with armed resistance.
They should. But it's better to deal with unarmed resistance. And you're right, many high value targets will be hardened and insurgents WILL incur losses. Serious ones. But I do not believe that it's justifiable to risk losing men over what is largely an emotional cause. 

Then there is the opportunity cost. Time spent hunting down cops is time not spent hunting down jews, particularly media jews and judges. Cops are, at the end of the day, just meathead pawns standing between us and the System.
Sometimes, you need to clear away a few pawns to get to the king. But the object of chess is not to eliminate the pawns. It is to eliminate the ((( king )))

To put another way, let's say that a 4 man cell has a flat rate of 10% risk of failure for an action. 10% is good but still terrifyingly large. Do you really want to expend your time and luck going after cops? Or should they roll your life-dice against taking down CNN?

As an addendum, there will be a period of trials after the Revolution. I advocate against lengthy purges for stability reasons, but I will be in the minority. I believe in swift, bloody purges followed by a happy face. But anti-White authority figures of all ranks and positions will answer for their crimes to one degree or another.
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>>8543
>Stay where you are, leave us alone, focus on the migrants and all will be fine. And if your higher ups start raining shit on you and threatening you and your family, we may have a way to find you a job so you won't be bothered again.
Agreed. Also, said rebels can threaten families, homes, bank accounts, and kneecaps too.

>It's not all so weird. In many ways America is a rather right-wing country 
True, it's like Germany. Germans are natural authoritarians. If they're run by Hitler, everything is great. But if jews get into power, they have a very bad time.
Americans are largely German too and of course Anglos are cousins. 

>Damage the hardware before the people
You wouldn't happen to be a fellow student of the Troubles, would you? This was the PIRA's creed. They went out of their way to avoid civilian casualties. 

I had been observing the Baltimore port incident with interest. Strikes on ports, in my opinion, are better than strikes against the grid because
1. It generates enormous economic pressure on the regime... but....
2. The pressure is not immediately felt by White masses in the way that a power outage or downed bridge is, Thus, the rebels are further removed from culpability in the eyes of the masses. Inflation is generally blamed on the authorities because the masses view prices as magic.
The more I think about it, the more I come to the conclusion that we'll have to take out the internet on a global scale. At least temporarily. Not only is it a prime tool for ideological brainwashing and general conditioning of the masses, constant exposure to screens and junk data is frying the brains of the general populace. The average IQ is in freefall and it's not just the miscenegation. People are forgetting how to do basic tasks, they're drowning in exploitative gossip, idiotic frivolity, consumerism, pornography, polarizing political pandering and fearmongering. The quarantine years have caused immeasurable psychic damage to people of all walks of life. AI is aggravating the problem exponentially, too, with the way it devalues art, writing and even social interaction. Speaking of which, the commodification of socializing and the oversocialization resultant from 24/7 exposure to social media has had a catastrophic effect on the public's consciousness. 

To be sure, I'm not a primitivist. I'm not saying we should return to the days of cave living and hunter-gathering. I'm not agreeing 100% with Uncle Teddy. What I'm saying though, is that we'll need a downscaling of the global communication infrastructure as well as a complete overhaul. I can see no way to heal these gruesome mental wounds except by weaning the entire world's population of internet exposure for at least a few years. Maybe it'll be enough by destroying the main social networks and force people to interact face-to-face more or return to the days of e-mails and phone calls. Maybe it'll just be a start. It's hard to say, the sheer damage all this misuse of technology has caused is difficult to even acount for, it's happened on such an unprecedent scale. At any rate, any group that rises to overthrow the Jewish regime should make taking out the internet a big point in their to-do list, and the main purveyors of social media should be made priority targets.
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>>8545
>As an addendum, there will be a period of trials after the Revolution. I advocate against lengthy purges for stability reasons, but I will be in the minority. I believe in swift, bloody purges followed by a happy face. But anti-White authority figures of all ranks and positions will answer for their crimes to one degree or another.
If I remember my ebil readings, in The Prince it's stated that purges should be done quickly. I'd have to check the words used exactly but I think that it loses steam real fast and politics and debates may get in the way of a brutal and swift justice. If you go overboard be quick about it, people will have no other choice to shrug because what's done is done and it would be rather useless and of unsavory taste to split hairs over the corpses of varying shades of traitors, and casualties and mistakes are part of any war anyway.
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>>8598
This is exactly my thoughts on the matter.
No purge after coming to power makes you look weak and leaves your enemies alive. 
An immediate purge is okay if it's quick, but leaves a bad first impression.
The best option is a smiley face followed by a brutal purge lasting no longer than a couple weeks, followed by more smiley face. This leaves a good impression while also demonstrating resolve. The people will eventually associate the bad guys with the fear.
A long purge is the worst idea because it eventually leads to a French revolution style fear that ANYONE could be next 
At best, it delegitimizes the new regime. At worst, it forces an unnecessary counter revolution.

Sadly, I have resigned myself to this eventually.
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>>8595
We need to downscale the doomscroll
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>>8602
Yeah, forcing every other website to conform to the mobile format has been disastrous for the quality of the internet experience, not to mention mobile bullshit in itself is utterly heinous from a design and psychology perspective. Doomscrolling is a scourge we need to eradicate. Maybe we should abolish smartphones altogether, not just now due to opsec reasons but after the revolution for health and quality of life reasons.
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>>8603
That will be difficult...
Pandora's Box is open. The technology is out there.

As childish as it sounds, we cannot afford to be uncool.
A healthy dictatorship or even an authoritarian state in general must have the youth on side. And even boomers are addicted to their phones. So we'd be way out in the wilderness if we presented ourselves as Phone Luddites.
>>8595
>getting dumb, AIs
Absolutely. The AI "helpers" are massively responsible of this. Kids use them for their homework. Grammar need not be remembered, the convenient AI tool does it for you while the people in control of the algorithm can influence grammatical rules.
>the commodification of socializing and the oversocialization resultant from 24/7 exposure to social media has had a catastrophic effect on the public's consciousness.
Yes, people have globalized their approach to interactions. They have become more abstract, more superficial, more anxiety inducing as everything is shared and no secret is held. People need to feed on the current thing that changes every minute. If you're following too much content, it's a constant stream of new shit per second (new unit of measure). Even professionals are under strain and breaking under the immense pressure. Check your phone, again, reply to emails, check the notification, again, check your app-wall, who replied or reacted, again, now here's a gorillon videos we recommend for you NOW.
It's a total drain on the mind. We were not meant to live like that but it's the American way, the way of achievers who must always strive to produce more, better, faster, in cities that never sleep. The pollution, the noise, the saturation, they are real. They tire people, they cause stress and anxiety. You can't even leave your phone in a place that is out of reach for more than an hour or you will have a panic attack.
I seriously believe that a world without connected devices would be better. I don't mind no portable device, but such a limited bandwidth that you cannot be constantly flooded with content. Phones must become simple again.
>internet
It's the lattice of the transhumanist entrapment supported by Davod and WEF dick heads. What use we, here, make of it is less than negligible although I reckon that it would have been absolutely impossible to redpill myself without it.
The fact is that in a sane society, when truth will come no more from internet, journalists or schoo, but from a sane religion, a legitimate power and an overall culture that's alive and common to all, there will be far more incentive to be plugged into internet 24/7.
A loss of internet, or say a reduction of it through a severely limited bandwidth to the point of going back to a pre-video streaming capacity will be a good move, but it will also bring people closer to the television. This too will need to be curtailed. There's just too much noise and crap on TV these days when we don't really need more than less than half a dozen channels with racially aware quality content really.
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>>8601
Yes, the first step is to sound friendly. You will need to get control of the medias and quickly shift the propaganda so that people want blood. They will become far more receptive to it then, even if the justice is swift. Note that the main targets will need to be arrested first. Their murder may wait until people are ripe for it.
Or just exploit the complete confusion and simply kill enemies on the spot. But I say you need to hold them first for getting as much information as possible out of their heads, even if it's basic stuff like back accounts and all forms of wealth that can be looted. Passwords for the computers and servers where they store all the data in their organizations. Graal of all, access codes into the mainframe of ZOG's assets. All it takes is just one mole who can dig deep enough, and that can start at the most approachable level, paradoxically: the police station.
This is why as much as I know cops will for the most part be happy to dumbly point guns at us if all goes south, and that we should not have any pity giving lead back, if we could get some of them in our pocket by tying links with their families, it would go a long way to help us get prime intel even before dreaming of getting access to alphabet agencies.
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>>8615
Modern "school" is just busywork preparing goyim for the corporate wagie slave farms anyway and even then some in college, but less. Them using AI to skirt around the absolute jewish meandering faggotry propaganda they're forced to endure is a good thing.
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>>8616
I have no opposition to returning fire when necessary. My position is that cops are irrelevant and, when possible, insurgents should bypass them to go straight for the jugular/jews.
>>8617
>insurgents should bypass them to go straight for the jugular/jews
The jew-gular, if you will. Jokes aside, I understand where you're coming from but such a modus operandi would be unfeasible. Cops are going to be roaming the streets and cracking down hard on any suspected dissidents the moment the kikes get the idea there's a serious White insurgence getting off the ground. Simply put, you can't avoid them forever because they're an active and mobile threat, they're the first line of defence the System has. We're not James Bond, we're not Agent 47, perfect stealth is impossible.  No, I'm not advocating getting in open shootouts with cops like it's a cowadoody lobby, we don't have the manpower or weapons for it (yet). They still gotta be dealt with, because sometimes you gotta hack at the outer shell to get at the vulnerable innards. Police and military are another pillar of the System and it has to be knocked down just as much as banks and media. Because, as above, we lack the weapons and bodies to go to war with them proper, we have to rely on guerilla tactics. Fake 911 calls followed by ambushes, drive-by attacks, killing them in their sleep, car bombs, and so on. Psychological warfare is the guerilla fighter's best friend. We can't beat the cops in a stand-up fight or siege police stations (again, not yet) but we can make the average cop too afraid to put on his uniform and walk his beat for fear of being sniped, stabbed in the supermarket line, garroted in his sleep or what have you. Crippling their morale, depleting their manpower, sabotaging their supply lines, that's how you weaken the enemy forces and make the kikes they're protecting more vulnerable to direct action.
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>>8627
>Cops are going to be roaming the streets and cracking down hard on any suspected dissidents the moment the kikes get the idea there's a serious White insurgence getting off the ground.
Not to sound glib but: Then don't fight them.
The average White insurgent at any given time will be unarmed and not doing anything in particular most of the time. That's just the nature of asymmetric warfare. 
No amount of killing cops will make police just stop being police. They will only stop suppressing Revolutionaries when the Revolutionaries take power. Then they'll likely disappear or switch sides.

It's just such a waste of manpower, time, & energy to go after cops.
Profile of a revolutionary, or what to look for in a potential recruit:

>White, obviously. Verifiable European ancestry is a must-have. Mulattos, mystery meats, chugs, spics and Asians need not apply.
>18+ years of age, preferably in the 20-30 range but some exceptions can be made for exemplary competence and character.
>Physically fit. Fatties, skeletons and cripples not allowed.
>Straight edge. No drinking, no smoking, no addictions whatsoever.
>Clean appearance. No piercings, tattoos, or other easily identifiable markers. Scars are a greyer area, not a dealbreaker but should use makeup to cover them up.
>Close combat training. Prioritize MMA and other disciplines valid for use in self-defense, avoid kung fu and other ceremonial martial arts. . Not required out the gate (can be trained later) but it's a big plus.
>Trained in firearms use. At the very least should be able to fire accurately and know hot to clean, maintain and unjam a weapon. License optional but it helps. Not required (same as above) but highly preferential. 
>Clean record. Not a dealbreaker, but having a crime record means closer scrutiny from the authorities.
>Composed. Must be able to maintain emotionally stable demeanor and not waver in stressful situations.
>Courageous. Related to the above, must be willing to risk life and limb and not cave in to intimidation.
>Prudent. Must think things through and temper the risk-taking with cool-headed analysis and planning.
>Humble. Must be unconcerned with fame and prestige. Doing things for the cause, not to get on headlines or a /pol/ screencap. Or the history books, for that matter.
>Selfless. Must be unconcerned with personal gain, social status or career prospects. The Fourteen Words should be his first and only priority.
>Uncompromising. Will not settle for anything less than total victory, which entails total anihilation of our racial enemies and execution of all race traitors with no mercy or exception. Abhors the mere idea of seeking political solutions or compromises with the enemy and despises those who entertain them.
>Strong-willed. Must be willing to lie, steal, torture, murder, destroy for the cause with no hesitation or remorse. Must be willing to destroy the enemy regardless of age, sex, prior relations or any other criteria. No crime is too terrible when the very survival of our race and the welfare of our future generations is at stake. 
>Equanimous. Related to the above, must not give in to guilt, anger, sadism or other distracting impulses.
>Specialized skills or assets, such as but not limited to: Medicine, electric engineering, architecture, chemistry, weapon caches, land, businesses, contacts, et cetera.

This isn't an exhaustive list, but feel free to add to it. Other feedback is also welcome. Do keep in mind I'm not advising to look for a Gigachad who ticks every single box, but the more of the criteria above a potential recruit fulfills, the better.
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>>8689
Nice elite list but you know that you're looking for unicorns.
I'm not saying that we should lower our standard to what leftists do, because theirs are abysmally low, but we could perhaps find less specialized activities that require a bit less filtering.
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>>8700
Fair criticism, but again, these are just things to look out for. You don't need to look for someone who fulfills every single criteria (as you said, unicorns) but the more boxes ticked the better.
>>8689
Glad I meet most of these, depending on what counts as "trained"
Some accuse me of being compromising. Ironically, I am anything but. I've studied revolutions and rebellions of the past and realized that total war means everything, including lawfare and political AND violent wings.
What do you think of this article, and perhaps this little bit in particular?
>We must create a network of distributed knowledge, which profuses organically from a million lateral nodes, rather than flowing down through the power structure. This is an information apparatus which is much more difficult to control, and so it is a mortal enemy for policymakers who see themselves as ‘the elect’ (as Thomas Sowell calls them): the managerial priesthood appointed by academic institutions, endowed with a special degree of wisdom and given license to shape policies and administer programs for the peasants.
https://jmpolemic.substack.com/p/horizontal-information-flow
Would that make a difference? Would people bother to read all that many sources? Could they or would it be made hard to find? Is it an absurd attempt at keeping democracy relevant? Wouldn't the sources of information immediately converge into a few ones as soon as we would have power? What's the point of having several ways to obtain information if in most Western countries said information is illegal? What next? Must people keep talking? Is that going to contribute giving our people more real power (networks, money, seats of power, clout and influence)? Can it unlock the JQ in full or no?
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>>8745
Reminds me of the Book Men from Farenheit 451. Preserving knowledge threatened by an increasingly frivolous and censorious society, in the hopes it will be relevant again when said society collapses.
A silver lining to the ever-encroaching cancer of AI slop: Now any revolutionary with the right knowledge and tools can create synthetic voices that sound realistic and natural to pass along messages and for propaganda purposes without risking running afoul of voice recognition software or anything of the sort. Obviously it'd take truly extensive testing and fine-tuning to get it right so it sounds natural, the better to frustrate any federal agents going over the footage.
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Old but gold post. Worth considering.
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The opposite of stealth is jamming, but both work to prevent target acquisition. Any digital reporting system could be rendered useless by using AI to generate hundreds of fake yet plausible reports for every real report, and such an attack could be carried out in a decentralized fashion by individuals who don't even know each other. Karen might submit a genuine report but the only way to tell her apart from the hundreds of RoboKarens would be through real-life detective work.
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>>9029
The same thing could be done to fool key-word detecting algorithms. It'll be near impossible to sort out the genuine insurgent communications and treatises from meaningless posts, pages and documents of pure glossolalia without getting the human element involved. And that will mean wasting time, manpower and resources on sifting through mountains of mindless word vomit in the hopes of finding a single genuine rebel-penned document.
>>9029
I like this. The media could even be used to platform rebel messages to the public.
Consider this: how many internet sites nowadays are either annoying to use or downright unusuable without Javascript? Turn it off right now, and see for yourself. Now think about this: if  some ill-intentioned malcontent with enough programming knowledge could create malware that either piggybacks on Javascript, or makes it unusable, or inflicts some other nasty whatever system it infects, how much damage would that cause? Food for thought.
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>>9054
That would be a fantastic way to annoy the lemmings into the streets without implicating White dissidents. It would cause a LOT of economic damage to the regime, to everything.
And what about Cloudflare? So many websites channel their content through this, they monitor passwords and filter content and decide who can connect and who can't. This is literally a world wide second government all by itself.
To throw more fuel on the fire: if someone found a way to use Javascript for a security exploit, and that exploit becomes known worldwide to the point support for Javascript will have to be taken down for all platforms like they did with Flash? That would be absolutely crippling. They'd need to figure out a replacement, and in the meantime great swathes of the internet would be entirely unusable. I'm sure they have thought ahead and have contingencies in place, but it's still worth a try. Who knows, maybe the enemy is so overconfident and incompetent, such a thing would be viable.
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>>9020
All of those would work perfectly. In a world where security cameras and satellite surveilance were never invented.
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>>9071
Those things are also less helpful against an insurgency than you might think. Satellites especially, which are really only used to monitor large troop movements and such.
>>9059
There's a lot of js exploits already but they need to be  tailored, it's not the level of flawed that flash was(yet). Suffice to say that you should turn off your javashit with noscript a lot if not allow temporarily.

Also if the whatever site doesn't actually work on a fundamental level without js the developers are genuinely stupid.
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>>9111 (Nice trips)
>Also if the whatever site doesn't actually work on a fundamental level without js the developers are genuinely stupid.
Boy, do I have bad news for you. Most devs are genuinely stupid, in fact most don't even know anything about programming and just use a template, which you'll notice when you realize most sites these days look the exact fucking same. Most are poorly paid (if not unpaid) interns, and an increasing number of them are poojeets and other double digit IQ third worlders working for peanuts. It's an absolute mess, and it's ripe for the picking.
>>9111
>site doesn't actually work on a fundamental level without js the developers are genuinely stupid.
Funny thing is that many sites are actually made trough redactor software like wordpress and vivaldi or something whioe majority of devs are entitled retards
>>9059
Imagine if an AI would help achieving this, crippling js but never providing the explanation on how to patch this. A man can only dream.
Recordkeeping is a keystone of the current order. Destroy records and sow chaos. Taxes, financial transactions, criminal rap sheets, the works.
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Where does this meme that cash is untracable come from? Each bill has serial numbers, therefore it can be tracked like anything else.
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>>9261
Yeah but no one records each bill number when you buy gas with cash.
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>>9171
Based and Peasant Revolt-pilled.
Go for the records.
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>>6165
Actually, the best way to take down ZOG is to use the ALL-GO plan I make, which consists in simultanously creating several natsoc propaganda cells and SPAM Pro-White propaganda EVERYWHERE, and at the same time, creating several hidden settlements of Pure White Aryan and Pagan Men and Women to secure the biological future of our species.
So we create new Tribes of Aryan Men, while at the same time doing sabbotage and counter-propaganda against the enemy, use Blood-Memory awakening-tactics in your propaganda, and use Traditional Aryan Music like bagpipes and drums.
Also, discover our Lost Story by watching Agni Villar's 'Subverted History' video-series, and watching Robert Sepehr's content on youtube and Twitter.

Pray to the Old Gods, Make the correspondent Offerings and Sing to Them in Old Languages.
Sing in Ancient Greek, Gothic, Sanskrit, or whatever ancient Aryan Language you like the most, because we're are not only phisically at war with the jew, but SPIRITUALLY Too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YS1DhrU5kzY
A single execution video where a serial child rapist or local drug kingpin gets his head cut off with swastikas in the background will turn way more people towards our cause than all the pamphlets, marches, fashwave edits and happy family propaganda posters in the world. Soft-bellied electioneering opticscucks will seethe, but this is objective truth.
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>>9428
This could also work.
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>>8120
White Aryans should focus on conquering THEMSELVES FIRST, Know your Roots, Reconquer the Forgotten Stories of Our Ancestors, and Become STRONG Phisically, Mentally and Spiritually.
Have children like bunnies, and that's it.
>>9428
That requires either main character level skills or a team.
Also, how do the people know that the guy in the video is a serial child rapist? Apart from politicians, I don't know of any widely known child rapists with face recognition whom you could kill and everyone would just know who it is. You'll also have to figure out how you release the video to a wide audience. 

Don't let me dissuade you and your team from doing this tomorrow. I'm all for it. But for the record, I am not planning on doing this myself so I must focus on legal actions. Good luck when you and your team get around to doing this. I'll be watching the news tomorrow.
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>>6165
some reading material
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>>8422
Or perhaps because the pressure is at its highest in Jewrope, it is there that it will burst first like a volcano.
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>>9449
Thank you, Legend o/

>>9462
Believe me, I hope it does. Not to be a europhile, but it's our home so it should begin there. 
But America has nukes so...
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>>9464
>But America has nukes so...
Everybody has nukes. Some of the shittiest Western countries in Europe because of the saturation of shitskins and kikes have nukes (England and France).
Certainly, Hollywood has had that guilty pleasure of showing us Paris and the Eiffel tower being destroyed. It's been going on for decades. Sometimes it's also London and Big Ben. At least these are the usual targets (nukes, asteroids, aliens).
Who gives? These cities can burn, they're full of critters. They should burn.
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>>9477
>Everybody has nukes.
The English an French nuclear arsenal is a joke. Israel has more nukes than Britain.

>These cities can burn, they're full of critters. They should burn.
Fair points.
It's not the destruction of cities per-se that is the problem. The problem is that America could wipe the floor with the pathetic UK army and easily occupy the country. 
Also, I am frankly skeptical that the English people have the mental capacity for revolt. And I'm even more skeptical that they have the mental capacity to engage in asymmetric warfare against an occupying army. Irish? Yes. They could do it. Maybe even the French or Italians. Poles, I could see it. But English? I am English and I say that the English haven't done anything brave in hundreds of years. Stomping stone age tribes is not brave. Undergoing the extreme bloodletting that resisting a democratic police state would incur is brave.

English have not demonstrated any true courage since the Great Peasant Revolt.
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>>9480
>The English an French nuclear arsenal is a joke. Israel has more nukes than Britain.
Used strategically they can matter and are more than enough. They can also entirely delete Israel.
>Also, I am frankly skeptical that the English people have the mental capacity for revolt.
Same energy everywhere tbh.
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>>9488
But the jews won, so the european nuclear arsenal is useless.
Here's a thought: considering the rise of biometrics, what measures can be taken to spoof them?
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>>9488
>They can also entirely delete Israel.
If "we" somehow overthrew the regime in France (for instance), using our precious nukes on Israel would be such a stupid waste. 100% of our energy would need to be fixated on defending ourselves from invasion from every single NATO country, meaning literally every single border we shared with every country other than Andorra. And the sea would be an American lake. Our tiny arsenal of nukes would be barely enough to deter the, at this point, foaming-at-the-mouth jews who would activate their shitlib hordes into a literal frenzy of hate. Every single minute of every hour of EVERY news media broadcast would be about how we're killing niggers and jews in France, and how the world needs to "DOOO SOMETHING!" immediately to stop us. 
Every black ops project on earth would be halted so they could focus all CIA assets on France. The enemy would activate every cell and harness every grievance in France to cause a counter-revolution. We would be sanctioned harder than North Korea. Nothing in, nothing out. if the people couldn't be roused against us with money, they would starve them until they revolted. 

And man, would that be a step up from our present situation. I'd travel to France today to help.
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>>9541
People are going have to start paying someone to use their biometrics. Someone older, making casts of fingerprints/face, selling vials of their blood, glass eyes, etc.
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>>9541
>>9546
I can't help but feel it's all pointless. If you haven't heard the news, Palantir - a surveillance company run by notorious jew Peter Thiel - is being given a blank check from the Trump regime to collect all data from government and private sources and compile a database of every citizen.

The Whites in the US are about to be Gaza'd/Holodomor'd if they say anything bad about jews. 

It's just about over for the "soft" phase of the genocide.
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>>9541
Nothing. The pressure will increase and these people have tons of power and they're finally putting it to good use against us.
There are no secret powers or hidden heroes. There's no possibility of organization. It will be a slow death for all of us, through a shit job with a shit pay and more taxes again for pedos, kike banks and lucky niggers.
>>9547
Throwing millions of people into concentration camps sounds radicalizing.
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>>9554
There aren't enough radicals. Zog put entire cities under house arrest and no one rebelled, the arrest of a few "vicious antisemites" will be ignored.
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>>9543
Do you mean France/Europe needs a race realist gigabased Napoleon II who ain't no taking shit from jewish spies?
>America
As soon as things go south in Europe, if US White Nationalists fail to act adequately against their own brand of ZOG, then not only would American Whites prove to be all say and no do, but I'm afraid we would be deserving of whatever Europe would bring upon this continent as retaliation and vengeance for the two World Wars.
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>>9555
>Zog put entire cities under house arrest and no one rebelled, the arrest of a few "vicious antisemites" will be ignored.
Leafs organized the longest truck centipede ever but was conveniently kept toothless. At this point I can't help but think it was one big psychological operation, an elite's exciting power trip, a ritual humiliation of epic proportions to show people that even if they could all magically agree like a hive mind that they should oppose Trudeau and his lackeys, even this major event would deflate and would fail to achieve anything because the snowy yeomen wield no true power.
Jews have all communications tapped. There were independent cells arrested recently based on private online communications for planning anti ZOG action.

Jews own all the media platforms. Our grassroots propaganda is banned on sight. Their propaganda never ends and has people believe there's no white genocide, the 6 gorillion, population replacement is good, national socialism is flawed, Lolita Express frequent flier goyim forgotten about. A stunted zoomer, raised by plenty of early Internet indoctrination and over-stimulation is a good goy.

We need a leader. Leaders can't go from 7 supporters to 12 million anymore because they're noticed too early, then suppressed, propagandized away, subverted or killed. If we selected one of us as board Fuhrer and rallied around him, it doesn't matter we're all named Blackshirt, they already have the Fuhrer's and everyone else's name, address, post history. They'd have him die in a tragic accident or just arrest him with media calling him an antisemitic extremist.

https://zzzchan.xyz/news.html#675e67bcb014eda80dd7b025
>15/12/2024
>as of tomorrow we will be off shitflare and on a cdn that is sympathetic to us
zzzchan was quietly put back on "shitflare", that is Cloudflare >>>/b/256005. Admin openly betrayed us and has been sharing our personal data with the ZOG for months. This is one of the ways they end a revolution before it starts. The solution is to use Tor http://crghlabr45r5pqkgnbgehywk5nxutdks5iss7tabyux5psikqqjirryd.onion, but if they sneaked in Cloudflare I have no doubt they will shut down Tor access when it becomes popular.

There's technology that would permit a faceless, anonymous Fuhrer to rise up, but it's unlikely that the Fuhrer and lieutenants are experts at anonymity tools. They'd need to get support staff and by that time it's too late, it's leaked and the ((( NSA ))) knows and acts. The jewish fantasy of going back in time to kill Hitler became a reality thanks to mass surveillance.
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>>9575
>arrested recently based on private online communications
Some messaging app which requires a phone number, no doubt. 
>Our grassroots propaganda is banned on sight.
Not always, Tiktok and X have some high profile orgs on there.
>The jewish fantasy of going back in time to kill Hitler became a reality thanks to mass surveillance.
Not literally, but yes mass surveillance is a threat. Any suggestions?
>>9555
If throwing millions into concentration camps will not elicit a rebellion, then nothing will and we're wasting our time.
I refuse to believe that.
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>>9583
Your problem is thinking in term of what ZOG's actions will "elicit". Dissident Whites are far too reactive. Being reactive will only lead to what ZOG wants. They either get no reaction and do what they want or they get a reaction they have most likely planned for. If we cannot take the initiative then we are dead. 

After 50 years of failed movements, it seems that taking initiative is not in our nature.
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>>9564
It is our duty to revolt in whatever capacity we can if a European nation frees herself. It is the duty of Europeans to do likewise if we free America first.
And it is the duty of whoever takes power on either side of the pond to aid the rebels everywhere in whatever capacity is physically possible.

Oh, Australia too. If they free themselves, we must either move there or revolt here.
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>>9586
>either move there or revolt here
It will almost certainly be the latter. I don't think the jews will see a Fourth Reich emerge in a commonwealth country and not immediately blockade the place. It would be like allowing flights into Gaza from Syria and Iraq.
((( >>9575 )))
This false disparaging bullshit has been posted before on another board and then you edited it to be more applicable to this board.
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>>9584
It's tough to take initiative when we are disorganized, atomized, weak individuals with zero power or influence, and who backstab each other every time any one of us leaves the internet and does something productive that isn't shooting up a walmart.
And half of us even call that "a Mossad op to make Nazis look bad" or some horse shit.
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>>9595
Then the initiative is organizing in the first place. It feels far too late to be discussing such basic maneuvers. If we cannot even meet each other IRL without sperging and calling each other feds, then how do you suppose a rebellion could be elicited by ZOG's actions against us? If anything that paranoia would be heightened after people begin to be snatched and imprisoned. 

Again to use the example of Gaza, it's not like the sandniggers walk into their streets after an Israeli attack and accuse any Arab left alive of being Mossad.
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>>9597
>If we cannot even meet each other IRL without sperging and calling each other feds, then how do you suppose a rebellion could be elicited by ZOG's actions against us?
Well, firstly, it wouldn't be our choice. Anon said
>I can't help but feel it's all pointless.
>The Whites in the US are about to be Gaza'd/Holodomor'd if they say anything bad about jews.
I choose to look on the bright side. If it is inevitable that we are thrown into concentration camps, then we might as well try to make lemonade out of that. Better than whining about it before being machinegunned into a trench.
Secondly, I agree with Dr. Pierce that getting hit in the face by real privation and suffering may do wonders for our collective psyche. 

>it's not like the sandniggers walk into their streets after an Israeli attack and accuse any Arab left alive of being Mossad.
True. I admit that morally, Arabs are our superiors. This will trigger some jimmies, but no one can argue against this statement of fact. Arabs have their shit together in ways that put us to shame. Dr. Pierce once made similar comments on jews, because at least jews are fighting for racial dominance while we can't even organize a Whites only picnic without infighting. 
I would like to change this but I am only one person so all I can do is not backstab and call out backstabbing when I see it. We have enough enemies already. We don't need to turn on ourselves and make enemies out of each other.
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>le backstab meme
Or, hear me out here, got a novel thought. Maybe some of us  give half a thought to opsec because some of us aren't fucking stupid and know that gathering in person after advertising it on a publicly visible website carries the risk of being infiltrated, framed, or at the very least surveiled; see: everyone who ever got indicted on conspiracy charges. Some of us understand it's not worth it to take on so much risk for questionable gains, I mean how many of those guys are ready to take up the cause and how many are only there to hang out? It's a simple cost-risk-benefit analysis. Some of us understand that staying under the radar is the best option when fighting an enemy who is stronger and more numerous, as opposed to advertising and being infiltrated and arrested early. Some of us therefore can deduce that recruiting locally away from the prying eyes and ears of electronic devices is the best option. 

>le shooting a walmart meme
Killing our enemies is productive. Marches and videos aren't productive. Anders Breivik alone did more for the cause than all the worthless faggots playing the political game. If you weren't a dishonest coward you'd admit that.
>>9607
Every last one of you who says this shit does nothing.
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>>9608
>no answer
Cope and seethe, derad.
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>>9609
The answer is that none of you have accomplished removal of an important target and never will. You'll play it sooper seecret safe and be targeted by Palantir anyway.
Thought of the day: Overconfidence is the slow killer. The enemies of our race have been enjoying themselves for decades victimizing the innocent and the timid. They speak their contempt openly and shamelessly. They act like they already won. They don't expect anyone to ever hit them back. Use that, hit them while they're fat and content, blindside them, send them into helpless panic. And of course, don't succumb to overconfidence yourself.
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>>9607
>Anders Breivik alone did more for the cause
Killing a bunch of white teenagers really made a impact I'm sure.
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>>9619
You really expect anyone here to do something brave?
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>>9594
The site is in fact cloudflared.
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>>9627
You can just use the onion address and practice good operational security.
>>9607
>don't do anything IRL because you might be...
>infiltrated
Don't accept offers to buy sawed off shotguns
>framed
Name one instance. I know it does happen, but name one instance. It's a lot rarer than the system wants to to believe.
> or at the very least surveiled
Okay... then don't do retarded things like make explosives and plot to assassinate the president.

>it's not worth it to take on so much risk 
If the risk of being surveyed puts you into a state of terror, you were never ever going to risk death by drone strike by revolting. So you will just never do anything and you're not really a revolutionary. You're just a talker.

>how many of those guys are ready to take up the cause and how many are only there to hang out?
You won't even do that because you feel that the risk of being surveyed or even arrested is too much. Yes, we may get arrested. Okay. Do you actually believe that resisting jewish domination of the earth entails no risk?

>Some of us understand that staying under the radar is the best option when fighting an enemy
You're not fighting anyone.
You're just staying under the radar. 

>being infiltrated and arrested early
Earlier than what? Will you risk your life later after admitting that you won't risk anything now? And what will you risk your life doing? Engaging in acts of terrorism? No you won't and even if you did, you'd accomplish absolutely nothing since terrorism without a political force to capitalize on it is impotent.
Say you blew up a federal building. Now what? How does that lead to attaining power?

>Some of us therefore can deduce that recruiting locally
Recruiting to do what? LARP? What do "your recruits" do?
I know you have none, but humor me. If you did, what do they do? Nothing.
<Oh... uh, we're... we're waiting for the boogaloo. Then we'll totally blow up federal buildings
Doubt. 

>Killing our enemies is productive
Something you have never done.
>>4841 (OP) 
The idea that you could do shit that the kikes love while still somehow supporting your political end goals must be mighty convenient for all the repentant faggots who are well known to infest online right wing discussion.
There cannot be any alliance with Jews, and before the end of this millennium, they or us will have to be finally and entirely removed. I'd rather they go.
>>9594
ZOGflare acts as a middle agent that looks into your communication and data threads.

Nevertheless, perhaps we should cheat. It seems more and more real that the key to this lies not in the material plane but in the spiritual one. From what can be obtained over there, it must be brought back down there.

Remember the guys at Malta? It seemed they were onto something. I don't see a solution coming directly from a prosaic organization, we need support from something much more elusive and ancient. I have personally dabbled in such matters a long time ago and without being able to say for sure that unnatural things happened that went counter to logic and everyday laws, I'm still wondering what really happened.

I haven't gone back to this because of more pressing matters but I can't shake off the feeling that there's the solution there, in the unseen.

>>9598
>Secondly, I agree with Dr. Pierce that getting hit in the face by real privation and suffering may do wonders for our collective psyche. 
But this won't happen any time soon unless some people who have the means to make sure that the Jews' well oiled plan goes haywire and a real catastrophe happens. We definitely need shock and a radicalization where race will be the stick by which everything will be weighed.

I'm not even counting on an easy victory. It make take centuries of war and extermination for us to reclaim our lands. What worries more is that while we would see our countries balkanized, other countries would be spared such devastation and be let to grow their military industry. If this were to happen it would be nigh impossible to oppose them because they would not engage in forever wars like the US have made a habit of waging. Not, it would a gruesome exploitation of a technical advantage and we would be at the short end of it. For example what could we do against a China-Israel alliance that would have not suffered as much as we would have?

>True. I admit that morally, Arabs are our superiors. This will trigger some jimmies, but no one can argue against this statement of fact. Arabs have their shit together in ways that put us to shame. Dr. Pierce once made similar comments on jews, because at least jews are fighting for racial dominance while we can't even organize a Whites only picnic without infighting. 
Who's fault again? Europeans had suffered invasions for millennia and subversion by the Jews for about twenty two centuries at the very least.

>>9607
>Some of us therefore can deduce that recruiting locally away from the prying eyes and ears of electronic devices is the best option. 
That can only work in White and large communities. Imagine Afghanistan, but all White. The enemy is there but for some reason he can't find the enemy and as soon as he moves out, said enemy regains control of the land.
>Anders Breivik alone did more for the cause than all the worthless faggots playing the political game.
If you want to go that way then McVeigh did far more than Breivik for blasting that federal building.

>>9619
Extremely wise. Let me scribble these words on the back of my shorts.
t. general teapot
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>>9640
>We definitely need shock and a radicalization where race will be the stick by which everything will be weighed.
Well, we could always keep waiting for things to get worse. Things can always get worse. >>4841 (OP) 

>It make take centuries of war and extermination for us to reclaim our lands
I predict that, once we achieve a sufficient level of political organization, then we may initiate a violent struggle. From there, I predict that it will take 30-50 years of continuous but sporadic violence to overthrow the regime. This is based on the experience of several 20th century struggles against democratic police states.

> what could we do against a China-Israel alliance
Israel is nothing without the American umbrella and their military is pathetic. China has no military experience and, frankly, the IDF is almost certainly better at counter-insurgency than the PLA. But what is Israel gonna do? Send their tiny military to occupy the USA? That'd be insane and they'd lose Israel, which is the jews' greatest weakness. At worst, Mossad will engage in assassinations against pro-White insurgent leaders. 
And China? China cannot even conquer an island 40 miles from their coast. Furthermore, they stand to gain a lot from ZOG collapsing since it is America that enforces the liberal world order anyway and China would like to go conquering Taiwan and Korea anyway.
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>>9642
>implying israel would not arm niggers or use cheap robots to do the dirty work
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>>9647
Israel cannot produce arms or drones in large numbers.
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>>9648
>gives blueprints to China
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>>9647
Niggers would be armed by the US government. Not Israel. And ZOG already has robots. They're not cheap though. 

>>9663
Okay, then the enemy will be armed with the lowest quality weapons. I'm more worried about niggers getting smallarms from ZOG than China.
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>>9620
Whites who betray the White Race are no longer White, but spiritually jewish.
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>>9668
China invest in Africa. Future recruitment grounds. Industrial quality may be cheap because that's mass consumption but they know how to do expensive good stuff. Israel can monitor the more sensitive productions. We already use Chinese hardware all day long.
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>>9669
I also can't help but notice how he ((( conveniently ))) left out that those were sons and daughters of the political elites Breivik mulched. Dude took out an entire generation of shabbos goyim before they could even reach office.
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Why the assumption that China would ally with Israel. Israel is almost entirely supported by the US war machine. If we are talking about a scenario in which the US ZOG loses control over a large section of land and people, Israel isn't as big a player on the world stage as it is now. 

China could very likely try to win over the inhabitants of the US directly. Just as they supply other continents with tools and weapons in exchange for trade, they could offer the Balkanized US Whites the same. Ditto for Russia.
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>>9671
You ((( conveniently ))) forget the very real political and financial tensions between Norway and Israel at that time.
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>>9678
>it's another "no guy, your heroes are ACKSCHUALLY all Mossad false flag agents" episode
Get new material, Shlomo.
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>>8615
>This too will need to be curtailed. There's just too much noise and crap on TV these days when we don't really need more than less than half a dozen channels with racially aware quality content really.
I'm old enough to remember a time before the 24/7 news cycle and channels that transmitted at every hour nonstop. Now there's so much content, so much cultural flotsam going on everywhere all the time there's not enough hours in the day to even take it all in. It's insane to think how unimaginably worse it's all gotten.
>>9679
>it's just a cohencidence, look the other way goy
>>9678
There was no tension between Norway and Israel. Norway has never and will never move against Israel.
You're just desperately grasping at every loose straw to support your anti-action position.
>>9675
IDK about trying to win us over, but it is in their interests to destabilize ZOG so they can invade Taiwan.

>>9670
I'm feeling super duper generous so I declare that China may keep Africa and all the rocket scientists and doctors there too. They're gonna be so diverse that their minds will explode. My only stipulation is that they should share that diversity with Israel.
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>>9702
>let's leave our racial enemies an absolute treasure trove of natural resources lol it'll be funny cuz they'll have to deal with niggers
Can you please go back to cuckchan? Please?
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>>9703
Considering the fact that you cannot even say that we control a single small town in our own nations, my priority is not what happens in Africa.
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The Day of the Rope would be immensely more impactful now than in Pierce's time.
>>9712
To control a town you would need to control the water source nearby. You may do without electricity, which I encourage more and more bizarrely if you want to go that way, but water is essential. Water and guns. With that you can drink, your cattle can drink, you can maintain salubriousness and grow food, which you can eat, use to feed your cattle or even convert to a small extent into fuel. Guns, in turn, help you defend all of this. But you need all the village to be on the same page, not just a single Waco camp. And then all nearby villages need to be operating in similar ways and show some solidarity so that even cops or feds may disappear.
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>>9833
That's all well and good but towns are not isolated outposts. If a band of merry men somehow did cut off the water supply to the town of Appalachia in Appalachia, they would still be unable to even enter in daylight without being annihilated by police and National Guard forces. 
They must either have legal protection for being there (ie, they won a local election) or they must possess superior firepower to the US military, in which case, cutting off water is unnecessary.
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>>9446
moar
Considering most niggers are jobless leeches, hit-and-run attacks on welfare offices would be a quick catalyst for a race war.
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>>10359
Nigs are so uppity now that any act of interracial violence against them will lead to immediate riots.
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>>10360
All the more reason to stage surgical strikes in the right times and places to ensure truly apocalyptic levels of chimpout.
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>>10361
It wouldn't accomplish much since the state will just let them riot. Also I don't think anyone wants to start it in the first place. Whites are completely demoralized and don't want to fight.
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>>10362
No, really, think about it.
>average day at local welfare office, niggers queueing up to get their gibs
>suddenly a car rolls up and a a team of, let's say, four guys steps out
>they gun down everyone in sight, put the building to the torch
>by the time the cops arrive they're back home watching the news, their vehicle and kit destroyed or stashed away
>repeat until all welfare offices in the city are inoperable (and if there's more cells operating in the area more ground could be covered, enough pairs of hands and planning and an entire state could be hit in this fashion)
>niggers panic when they realize they can't cash in their gibs for their malt and fried chicken, riots ensue because it's all they know
>the inevitable melodramatic puff pieces start rolling in, all of America is treated to Tyrone screaming incoherently and making threats and 600 lbs Shaneequas wailing they're gonna starve and can't feed "mah chilluns" without their EBT
>working-class Whites all over the nation are reminded in stark and undeniable fashion that while they're working themselves to death to barely afford a house and groceries niggers get free room and board, and not only they squander it entirely, not only do they never give thanks for any of it, but they're angry and resentful and entitled enough to demand more
>all that on top of the crime, the rioting, and all the other shit they do that makes Whites' lives worse every day
>and all of this is blamed on the Whites paying the taxes that allow these animals to live for free
That's going to get a lot of White people really fucking angry when they connect the dots, and that anger is useful. It'll get the ball rolling.
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>>10364
>>average day at local welfare office, niggers queueing up to get their gibs
Forgive my ignorance, but is that really how this works? AFAIK, welfare is done mostly online, like everything else. You file a claim, you get a card in the mail, and the card has money. Why would niggers que up at a welfare office? I drive past a SS office every day and I have never seen a line of people. I don't even know how there could be a line since it's not like they hand out bags of money every day at 3 o'clock. These offices exist to accept in person deliveries like birth certificates and other documents that have to be hand delivered. So at most, you'd have a few niggers there and like 4 employees tops. Now, there is another SS office in my city but that one is also a courthouse and that's a fortress. That one I have seen a bunch of niggers in. 

I like your idea in theory. But more information on how welfare works is needed.

Also, in order for this to be effective, it would need to be done on a larger scale. If this just happened in a single city, the regime would send in the national guard. In fact, I think that this is unfeasible even on a larger scale due to the nature of the targets. The regime would know the location, though not the time, of the attacks. So they could simply station a few soldiers at each SS building in problem areas.
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>>10367
He must be stuck in the 70s. EBT and welfare in general are direct deposit to an account or a credit card.
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>>10367
Admittedly I have never been on welfare so yes, more reconnaisance is needed. That said, I'm fairly sure the niggers can't get their gibs if the offices are burnt down and the employees are dead, staying at home for fear of being targeted, or otherwise unable to work. 

>Also, in order for this to be effective, it would need to be done on a larger scale. If this just happened in a single city, the regime would send in the national guard. In fact, I think that this is unfeasible even on a larger scale due to the nature of the targets. The regime would know the location, though not the time, of the attacks. So they could simply station a few soldiers at each SS building in problem areas.
All more or less true, but that's the beauty of a target-rich environment: no matter which direction you shoot, you're bound to hit one. While yes, a head-on fight against even National Guard detachment or even the police would be suicide, they need time to mobilize towards the hot zone and they need supplies and whatnot to defend a position. Those are men and resources they're not spending on defending something else, like a courthouse or a power station.
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>>10369
The whole thing is stupid. What would such an action achieve? Niggers aren't going to stop getting welfare just because a few of them got killed.
>>10368
> EBT and welfare in general are direct deposit to an account or a credit card.
I thought there was a card specific to EBT?

>>10369
> I'm fairly sure the niggers can't get their gibs if the offices are burnt down and the employees are dead
That would make things a tad more dysfunctional, yes.
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>>6165
If a nation tries to enslave half the human population of the planet then maybe most people, people of whomst hated Rome for attacking them and enslaving their people until their culture was canceled, mostly hated Rome so they indeed had no reason to blab as nobody chose to be invaded by Romans and their tyrannical bullshit. All roads lead to Rome? When in Rome you must do as the Romans do? Yeah, because humans can have one culture/law! 

Today's people are "Mkultra'd" into thinking things like being impoverished =/= slavery. Society has euphemisms and faux smailes and many other gay things including EBT, what I call the nigger food card, of which is one of many things that stops rebellions. 
>>10373
It is a card that is specific to each state but ironically works in every state despite it looking different for each state. It has a food option and a  cash option and most get the food option but not the cash. Foster parents are given this card, homelss people, spics, minimum wage workers, if they pay enough bills and don't work too many hours enough hours to live on their own, people that are jobless but only for 3 months iir, people that are special cases trying t get on SSD (for years), etc.  And oh yeah, you can get more than one EBT card if you bounce around in the states. Many 'sell' their EBT even ow that it's a card and not actual stamps. 
>>10368
Yes it is a monthly reboot that usually happens at the start of the month and it varies depending on your income. You must work 20 or more hours and also pay bills or they won't even give it to you at minimum wage despite them saying that 20 is required they take it away anyway. Less than 20? Lol ur lazy. 40 and full time? Too much money! And yet if 20 and 20 only they wno't give it to you unless you pay a ton of bills, of which is stupid becusae there's a 2.5x rent rule (you must make 2.5x your rent or you will not be allowed to move into an apt) where I live of which means you have to have like fulltime hours to afford a studio bedroom apt anyway. This is something they do to stop rebellions as well, force the many cultures of young people to be room mates. How are you goint to have your little revolt when you've got a wigger renting with you that's trying to get you to listen to rap all day and borrow him money for weed that complains you snore? 
>>10364
Literally 1/3 nigger (males) go to literally prison, implying that probably more than half of nigger males are constantly in and out of jail. Many are proud of the time they serve and enjoy bragging about how well it teaches them to 'throw down', meaning fighting. One reaosn they don't even speak proper English is that prison/jail has it's own culture int he USA. Niggers/wiggers won't rebel. They are cowards with no moral courage. Niggers are the ones that say 'don't go in there' when watching a horror movie for a reason. They are violent, dumb a bit, but don't get bravery. They jump whitey all day long for decades now  becuase they have no integrity and a revolt would take integrity. They have it better and better and complain more and more. The women, the black onse, are a third of the welfare state I once read and the black males are half of the incarceration population at any given time and the majority of the maximum seciruty prison's population too of course. NIggers are born expecting to be locked up and cope with the idea at a young age. They basically have munch hausen and would enjoy bitching about having thieir welfare offices shot up and with how pathetically altruistic whitey is we'd just give them their own mansions and air drop food if it came to that. There are 3 times as many empty houses as the homeless population. With how rich people are they would hate the estates being sold away like that, but it can still keep the status quo the way it is via bitcoin as that is even better than land when it can survive any nation falling. They'd give up the land and trade it for the money it was worth and it'd never inflate as bitcoins do not inflate and unlike a nation's land you can just use it in all nations potentially. 

Back to reality they just renew the shekels that are on the cards they already have. The offices don't matter, they are just fake jobs as most jobs are basically fake. Useless people work there that are taught to bitch at everyone inside the building for being lazy that isn't a nigger. One time a security gaurd I knew would sit there talkinga ll day about how a woman with a broken neck he knew that is paralyzed from the neck down loved workinga s a telephone operator. He was  fatass. Nobody is going to miss that faggot nor the homeless people bastards sitting in there all day. If no poor existed they just pay cops more and no taxation rage would ever happen. The goyim know that all their money is going to get taken from them via the trickle down economy and they won't stop it because they hate themselves for being ((( sinners ))) anyway. 
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>>9554
The standard of living was pretty okay and we still had rights back before the cameras went up in the 1980s. More and more cops, more and more spying, more and more things like DNA scans and such, you can't rebell against that and they slowly changed things to make them worse so they would not have  a revolution. You can't once the cops have themselves patrolling like soldiers all day and there are hundreds of millions of cameras watching you. A child does not have a revolt against his parents. An animal does not attack a god. 
>>9547
And because Trumpf's name is to do with it we'll all pretend this is new and not 1980s tier, dna tracking and cameras. Wake me up when it's the 1970s again, this time don't stop the revolution okay my fellow goyim?
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Conservatives refer to their enemy as "Democrats" "the liberals" or some other term that presumes that their enemies are just human people who they disagree with on some issues, but we're all Americans, right?
Meanwhile, they refer to conservatives as "racists," "The Nazis," and "fascists"
All these words mean "subhuman enemies who we must kill at all costs"

While conservatives are not exactly the philosophically well grounded people out there, they are the majority of our race, who we must awaken, energize, and free from the enemy's manipulation. The problem is that conservatives and the right wing in general believe that they are in some sort of political debate with the left. The left correctly understand themselves to be in a total war of annihilation against the equivalent of demons.

If the present nature of discourse continues, the enemy will eventually win because White people simply do not recognize that they are at war with an enemy.

Long term benefits: 
>Once conservatives realize that their enemies are the enemy, and not some faction acting in good faith, they will be more open to taking defensive measures against them, such as arresting enemy politicians and leaders even when they haven't explicitly broken the law.
You would not allow Xi Jinping to serve as a judge in the Supreme Court while we were at war with China, would you? Of course not. Even if he hasn't broken any laws, he should still be arrested since he is an enemy.
>Positive language, such as calling our enemy the enemy, will allow more freedom of thought when dealing with people who literally say right now that they want total genocide of White people. Such as shooting them.
Listen, if it's okay for shitlibs to say that they want to wipe out MAGA conservatives, it is okay for them to be shot. It is good to shoot people who want to murder you. If someone breaks into your house with intent to kill your entire family, will you engage in a political debate with him on the merits of open borders for your home? No, you will shoot him the second you are able to, even if he is not physically pointing a gun at you. You don't need to wait for a "fair fight" once someone with intent to murder you breaks into your home. You shoot them as soon as possible.

Yes. I am aware that most of you already know this. But we must assist others in knowing this. Change will only occur once we destabilize the regime. At present, only one faction has intent to kill. This creates stability, in the same way that occupying a subject territory with military force creates stability. But if that territory develops an army of its own and starts shooting back, then there is contest, chaos, and freedom to change.
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>>10374
>It is a card that is specific to each state but ironically works in every state despite it looking different for each state.
It sounds like a better, less wasteful of lives option would be to simply DDOS the servers.
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>>10377
Wish I had gone to computer sciences instead of graphic design, that way I could figure out an EBT scam for insurgence purposes.
>>10376
All good points. It's fine that you're essentially preaching to the choir, sometimes we must remind ourselves of the most obvious and fundamental truths, lest we grow repetitive and unthinking in our dogma. The real issue is how to go about this, how to actually awaken that consciousness and that willingness to fight, but that's what this trhead is for after all.
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>>10376
This is like the fifth thread you personally have made saying the same shit every time, "there is a political solution!" "we can save the conservacucks, we just have to AWAKEN THEM" etc. etc., Quit opening new threads nobody is falling for your derad bait and if i see another needlessly created thread when 4 or 5 others where your moronic ideas can be discussed already exist, I will Wide-range ban your IP for a thousand years.
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From here on out this will be the Derad Morons thread, if I see another thread under any guise that encourages deradicalization, or promotes the idiotic idea that the Conservatives are allies or, that there is a political solution, etc, they will be merged here.
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>>10386
>>10387
I have a humble request: could you start treating shilling for Patriot Front and similar do-nothing faggot groups as deradicalization? I ask because I've noticed that every time that one faggot hypes them up he also derails converstion about effective resistance, discourages direct action in favor of the same old ineffective political activism and fouls up discussions with the same old tired derad talking points, when he isn't just being a nuisance with "le ur gun do nuthin" blather. It's not high in my Yule gift wishlist, but it'd be nice.
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>>4841 (OP) 
lol?
What's this about?
You have never and will never perform any act of violence against the regime. You have no plan to do so either.

I do.
This makes me far more serious about violence than you. You only want to posture and play pretend on the internet. I want to create the environment for Revolution in the real world.
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>>10386
"there is no political solution"
That's literally the point of all my threads. I am serious about revolution. I don't posture about violence online. How many jews have you killed? None.
How many niggers has your posturing on the internet killed? None.
Not a single one.

Why aren't you killing niggers and kikes? Because you're not serious about this "revolution" business. I am. I would like to change that. I believe that altering the political environment will achieve this and force you to act. 
But let's hear your proposal instead. What is your proposal to engage in serious political violence against the regime.
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>>10386
>>10387
You seem surprised that I make threads about "how do we go from peaceful politics to violent revolution"
Of course, you misunderstand them completely, but as for why do I make threads, you and I had "discussed" whether we should attempt to increase traffic to this board on QTDDTOT. 
You agreed with me that this was a good idea.
Making threads is one aspect of this. If no new threads are made, no new discussions happen and your board remains a frozen board where nothing is discussed.
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>>10388
I already do that, I don't bother with censoring shit or deleting shit unless there is a great need, i merged three or four threads yesterday because we had 4 threads all by the same person, all differently worded on the same thing, so now it's one thread, and any more I will merge here along with granting him or whoever else may do it a nice long ban. This was not a decalration that I will censor him from discussing anything even if he mentions derad shit in a different thread as long as it's a natural evolution of conversation, this was me telling him to stop making new threads when his old one hasn't hit the bump limit, he's a fucking moron who thinks i told him to do it for increasing engagement, I guess? Even though anyone with a modicum of sense would realize that's not how Imageboards work.
>>10392
This is me getting tired of you making a new thread when you stop getting engagement on your previous derad rant, welcome to your new home.
>>10393
>That's literally the point of all my threads.
No it isn't, you very eloquently encourage the tactics that have stagnated the movement for almost 70 years in every one of your thread openings and in damn near every post you make, quit lying to yourself  
>I am serious about revolution. I don't posture about violence online. 
No, you aren't, you're serious about pumping more effort into, and wasting more resources on tactics and strategy that haven't aided us at all in 70 years, 
>How many jews have you killed? None.
You will never know. 
Not only would admitting to any such thing point me out to the feds who are absolutely watching the board and the website at large. it wouldn't serve a purpose to to do so, it's always hilarious that your first go-to insult is always what have you done against the regime? etc. etc. it's really fucking suspicious, telling you or anyone on the internet would be beyond fucking stupid, same goes for your question about niggers
>I believe that altering the political environment will achieve this and force you to act
YOUR EVERY TACTIC FOR ALTERING THE POLITICAL ENVIRONMENT IS WHAT HAS BEEN BEING DONE AD NAUSEUM FOR 70 FUCKING YEARS, IT DOESN'T WORK.
>But let's hear your proposal instead. What is your proposal to engage in serious political violence against the regime.
I have done exactly as you wish multiple times, not only on this iteration of /fascist/. You just whine about how that will make people hate us, as if it mattered at all, we are already at maximum hate, so nothing we do will make it worse, they blame us for damn near everything whether we had anything to do with it or not.
>>10396
>You seem surprised that I make threads about "how do we go from peaceful politics to violent revolution"
No I'm not, I just found it annoying that you make thread after thread when we had 4 others of which this is the earliest iteration I found, Making a new thread when interest in your shit is dead, shows that what you're peddling isn't gaining traction, so you make a new thread to bait attention to your moronic ideas again, I don't approve especially when all you have to do to bring attention is post MORE in your original thread.
>you and I had "discussed" whether we should attempt to increase traffic to this board on QTDDTOT.
Whether we discussed that or not is immaterial, I wasn't giving you approval to make threads on the same topic 5 different times that why they are now merged and you are mocked.
>Making threads is one aspect of this. If no new threads are made, no new discussions happen and your board remains a frozen board where nothing is discussed.
I'm pretty sure my stance was that I don't give a shit if there's activity on the board or not, it has been slow for it's entire existence the fastest it's ever been in a sustained fashion was around 20 posts a day at best. 
If there's a reason to make a thread, people are free to do it, if and only if there isn't already a thread that would encompass what they wish to postand they are not allowed to clutter the board with 50 of the same thread, no matter how differently they're worded.
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>>10409
That is not what this is about. This is about increasing engagement on your board.
>you're serious about pumping more effort into, and wasting more resources on tactics and strategy that haven't aided us at all in 70 years, 
Okay. Then articulate how LARPing that you're  going to blow up federal buildings on an anonymous image board you have cultivated to have almost no people on will aid the cause.

You have killed zero jews, zero niggers, and zero anti-Whites. You have no plans to kill anyone or do anything but post on the internet, a place controlled by your enemies. You talk about deradicalizing, no one is more deradicalized and defused than internet dwellers who let off steam online and refuse to do anything beyond posing.
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>>10411
>Okay. Then articulate how bla bla bla hurr durr 
We all have, multiple times. We've provided a blow-by-blow account of how destabilizing the ZOG's various infrastructures and killing off their personnel would destabilize the regime's grip on a given nation and allow the revolutionaries' ascension to power. There is in fact a wealth of information about how violent action brings about the downfall of a nation's government. 

If anything it's you who never articulates how conventional political activism will give us real, tangible gains in our war against the kikes. Because it is a war. Stop pretending nobody notices when you completely ignore the question and instead resort to these childish insults to deflect from your utter lack of anything resembling an answer beyond some vague mealy-mouthed platitudes about "creating the environment for revolution". Orlog already brought it up, but it's also very telling that you're always discouraging direct action against the enemy. Because that's what you've been doing, deradicalizing.

So, enough. Enough stalling, enough deflecting, enough playing dumb, enough beating around the bush. Tell us, the anons on this board, how the conventional political activism you champion so much is supposed to bring about the downfall of ZOG, in detail. And while you're at it, answer this: if political activism is the key for White people to throw off the yoke of Jewish power and start fighting, how come it hasn't happened in the past several decades? Why then, are we in this situation where we're becoming minorities in our own countries with the plethora of conservative right-wing political parties out there? Why AfD, for example, with its high approval numbers, is still handicapped and castrated at every turn and has failed to make any tangible advances in its entire history?

Answer this, or you'll prove once and for all that you're a bad faith actor shitting up this board on purpose. Ball's on your court.
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>>10414
>We've provided a blow-by-blow account of how destabilizing the ZOG's various infrastructures and killing off their personnel would destabilize the regime's grip on a given nation and allow the revolutionaries' ascension to power
Firstly, no. You've fantasized about petty acts of sabotage without even a plan to seize power after blowing up some easily replaced buildings. These plans always amount to 
>Shoot up building
>?????
>Suddenly we take power and everyone loves us
It's not serious. 
Secondly, if you genuinely believe that this is the only way to win, why the fuck aren't you doing it? Instead,all you do is TALK about it online. You have no plans to do this. You want other people like me to die for your amusement while you cheer us on in safety. 

>you who never articulates how conventional political activism will give us real, tangible gains in our war against the kikes. 
I have here and in countless posts. 
1. You yourself know that all this talk about larping as a terrorist will ever accomplish is nothing. You have zero plans to blow up substations or shoot up nigger churches. In ten years, the only thing you will have done for the cause is post on a 4chan clone. Your "plan" is to continue pretending to be a revolutionary and "keep waiting for the collapse". The mod has claimed that I am proposing something that has failed for seventy years. But do you really believe that you're the first person to talk about blowing things up? No. You're one of a million angry men who talk and talk and talk and will never do anything but wait. We've been doing this for seventy fucking years. It doesn't work. No revolution in history has succeeded from a pitifully tiny band of terrorists blowing up substations and churches. Everyone knows that. Especially you since you obviously aren't doing anything. NO ONE is.
You are literally proof that you agree with me. The best thing the mod has done for our race is to create this Internet site. If he intended to go blow up substations, why the fuck is he waisting his dwindling years posting here? Every year, you grow older and older and less fit to survive persistently on the run. Every year, the regime places more cameras and sensors to detect you. If you genuinely believed that a pathetically small number of insurgents can overcome the entire us police state, the time to strike was decades ago. You literally know that I am right and he is wrong. He knows he is wrong. 
The "plan" is to spend the next 50 fucking years growing older and older, thumping our chests about how "SOMEONE should go shooting up transformers" as we wait for it to happen and atrophy. The only people who will kill even a single nigger will be schizos who write stupid manifestos, shoot up churches, synagogues, and Walmarts, and get caught. They accomplish nothing but making us look like fools. You know this already. You've seen it for however many years you've been awake.

2. The path to success is to follow the path of EVERY SINGLE successful violent organization in history. First, we must establish ourselves as a visible organization that exists outside of the Internet and does real things for real people. Without this, we have zero chance of success. You cannot point out even ONE violent organization that succeeded in even the most basic way that did not have strong political and economic support from the people.
Go on. Do it. Cite one. Rise to my challenge.
History supports my position because I base my positions on years of studying armed insurgency. 
In fact, pointing out successful armed insurgencies in Europe is a short list since the only one that even came close to success is the PIRA, and half of you say they utterly failed. 
So go ahead and cite one insurgency that worked. The communists of Vietnam? They had universal support from the people. Communist Chinese? The niggers of Rhodesia? All had support from the people. 
The only way we can even think about a successful violent insurrection is to have real people in the real world who support us. The way to accomplish this to engage with them. This means political organization that actually affects positive change. Not roleplaying online like children. You think that the objective of politics is to win elections. That is false. The objective of politics is to form lasting organizations that can affect violence. ONLY organized violence can overthrow this regime. Not random lone wolves who shoot up random people in a store every 6 years. No one is assassinating politicians. Certainly not you. You have not even seriously planned to do so. You don't even know who to kill because you feel helpless and depressed, like everyone else here.
The objective is to build a self sustaining organization that can exist outside of the Internet. Before such an organization exists, violence will amount only to what we have seen for the past seventy years of failure. 

Once such an organization exists, the next stage is to attack the regime by every possible method. The goal is to either 
>achieve meaningful success that benefits our people at the expense of the enemy 
>Take political power in white areas
When we are hindered, the people will see it as the regime attacking them. THAT is when violence will work. 
Don't believe me? Cite even a single example of real organized violence that was not preceded by exactly what I just wrote. Do it. Search the history of the 20th century for even one insurgency that doesn't follow my outline to success. Everything from al quaedda to the ira followed this ladder. 
Even Hitler followed this path to victory. 

>But hasn't this been tried before?
Yes. And they failed. Mostly due to extreme incompetence. Acting like wiggers in public and waving swastikas does not make people respect you. You know this. 
It is thanks to the hard work of race realists who didn't act like wiggers that you are here unless you're a boomer. If we had had more men like William Pierce and Jared Taylor, we would be in an even better position today.
>But I don't like Jared Taylor >:-C he is a cuck
Okay. And suit wearing organizers without face tattoos have brought more young men to our cause than skinheads and your insincere Internet roleplay has. A hell of a lot more people support national socialism because of calmly presented, fact based information than from Dylan Roof shooting up a church. If you are better than him, go lend your voice to affecting meaningful success instead. You sure as hell would accomplish more than posting for the 999th time that people not you should get ourselves arrested for shooting up transformers while you watch and cheer. No stable person will do that for you. So the only things they will do is shoot up more churches. And you sure the hell won't set an example so no substations will ever be attacked.

Speaking of which, did you know that White fascist have, so far, NEVER even blown up a single substation? We have never even accomplished shutting down power to a single small town. 
This in spite of you and the mod posting how to manuals online FOR THE PAST THIRTY YEARS. Even I have written essays on how to do it, analyzing groups like the PIRA on 8chan. I accomplished nothing from that.
Maybe in another 30 years, when you are old and grey, someone will actually try. But he will inevitably be a schizo and fail somehow, making sure to make us all look like retards. 

In short: talking insincerely online about shooting transformers doesn't accomplish anything. Real revolutionaries organize. This is not a Hollywood film about being a hero. This is time consuming and may take decades. But it is the only realistic path to generating the sustained violence you crave. If we all keep waiting for Earle Turner to recruit us into a fully formed, established terrorist organization, we will be waiting forever.

>answer this: if political activism is the key for White people to throw off the yoke of Jewish power and start fighting, how come it hasn't happened in the past several decades?
Because non-serious people would rather talk about violent fantasies they want OTHER people to do than invest the time and energy towards slowly building an organization that can exist outside of the Internet. Also, because of idiots with face tattoos whose hearts are in the right place but are otherwise larping.

>Why AfD, for example, with its high approval numbers, is still handicapped and castrated at every turn and has failed to make any tangible advances in its entire history?
They have achieved more than any pro-White group in America, and more than the last 30 years of pathetic lone wolf attacks against grocery stores.
I don't know if they are building up a power base in Germany. But if they are, they are following the playbook of success. They are akin to the early Irish nationalist groups that the IRA grew from. 
If they are playing their cards right, they are cementing political authority in German small towns. Once it becomes feasible to attack the regime directly, with bombs and drones, the AfD will use all the political clout they have to defend the Patriots against the police state and furnish them with money, shelter, and political defense. Again, this is how all successful violent groups operate.

Did I fail to address any of your questions to your satisfaction? I will elaborate on any specific details you feel I have not explained sufficiently.
I admit that my bluntness may come across as rude. Maybe that is a major failing on my part when I should be more gentle. But I am deadly serious. I am disgusted with the past 30 years of internet larping. If you believe that the only hope for success is shooting up transformers, go do it. But don't pretend to be a serious person if you expect other people like me to do it for you and suffer the repercussions while you don't. That's far more rude than my coarse bluntness. Worse, it's insincere and I am 100% certain that my path will bring about a real revolution. I am prepared to be arrested under spurious charges, like many an Irish nationalist was, when the regime retaliates against the political wing of the armed insurgency. Are you serious?
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>>10415
>Firstly, no. You've fantasized about petty acts of sabotage without even a plan to seize power after blowing up some easily replaced buildings.
We talk about what must be done amongst ourselves here in the relative safety of our online forum because when we do try to get the posse together and do something, it's always without fail broken apart and comes to nothing because of assholes just like you constantly putting the brakes on anything more rebellious than discussing Mein Kampf(which they haven't even read) for the 1046872876743rd time, and fawning over the latest fashy meme, that will totally wake up those libs, and centrists and rightists they constantly pine to bring into our circles for some fucking reason.
>These plans always amount to
<DO Only this thing I made up to strawman you
<Cartman Question mark meme
<Profit/take power
>It's not serious.
Of course it's not when you strawman the fuck out of it, to do nothing but mock people, who you do not know anything about.
>Secondly, if you genuinely believe that this is the only way to win, why the fuck aren't you doing it? Instead,all you do is TALK about it online. 
Are you an FBI agent? did you break into my house, cars, computer, phone, etc., and install cameras everywhere and malware that lets you know everything I do?
>You have no plans to do this. You want other people like me to die for your amusement while you cheer us on in safety.
My plans are mine to know and yours to find out feddy boy, as for you other comment, that is not what anyone is doing here at all or the content of the boards at large would be vastly different.
>I have here and in countless posts. 
And each and every time, the voluminous flaws in your ideas within posts are ripped apart and it's correctly pointed out that you are simply saying do more of the same Meat-grinder Nationalism shit, that has been done for over 70 years. Even if we weren't doing and advocating to others to join us in doing what we are doing, whatever that may or may not be, it would still be better than wasting, time, energy, and resources, endlessly, on something that has failed for over 70 years.
Honestly, it seems more like you're the one bitching about how nobody is doing anything, and came here to try and pick shit apart to do nothing more than waste time. What you fail to realize is that we can contribute to destroying the state in many more ways than just blowing shit up, and that nobody wants to post actionable or useful plans to do anything on the fucking clearweb, or really on any electronic device, so even if anything were being planned or done you would never know about it, nor should you be until it shows up in the news, if it ever gets there.
Who cares how many people are out there talking about shit they'll never do? Here we talk about  IDEOLOGY, THATS THE POINT OF THIS FUCKING BOARD! and how to keep it pure, and what is the purest form of said ideology, as well as history, religion, and it's interplay and necessity within the ideology and so much more. we get annoyed when idiots like you come in after years of conversation, research, and so much more, all leading to the conclusion that there is no peaceful path to power left to us, because parties and organizations that aren't already infiltrated or controlled by the state are not allowed to exist, and many other reasons that we have repeatedly stated across more threads than I can count(not really but i can't be bother to actually count the number). You have missed that violent takeovers and simply causing destruction have happened all throughout history, revolutions have happened without any warning and with no political apparatus aiding them and been successful in one way or another, never mind the many many when the goal was to destroy what was there, taking what you can (usually women) and build your own shit on the ashes and most of them did not care whether the people being conquered had nice things to say about them or not, no it was come in kill a bunch of whiny bitches like you, chain the cunts up and proceed with the raping, not all of history is in the books either. It's hilarious that you constantly try to use it to reinforce your point when you don't consider that historians hides that which the dominant powers find inconvenient, so you will have a hard time finding anything of worth in 99% of all history books anyway.
>You are literally proof that you agree with me. The best thing the mod has done for our race is to create this Internet site. If he intended to go blow up substations, why the fuck is he waisting his dwindling years posting here?
I spend a few hours a week checking on here and leave it alone most of the time because it's functioning the way it's supposed to, the last time I bothered to be this active was over six months ago, What do I do with the rest of my time? Lots of things, none of which I will tell you about, and never mind that we all have to find some way to live in this world, and that takes up most of our time just like it does for you.
I'm on the early end of my prime years, I can easily survive and thrive, or better, for another 40 or more years, regardless of conditions in the world, barring accidents or other misfortune( Incidentally I got shot this last year hurts both less and more than you'd think).
>the time to strike was decades ago.
Yep, and who was it who failed to do anything when it was best to do so? Not me, I was either a child or not yet alive depending on when you place your point on the decades ago mark. but Mason literally wrote the book on what should be done almost 50 years ago, yet you still advocate for everything that book warns against and morons continue to take money from people who wish to support the cause everyday.
>You literally know that I am right and he is wrong. He knows he is wrong
No we know you are wrong, The beauty of speech and thought is that I can talk about and discuss the most correct way to do something, and nobody listens because they think it's too harsh, too hard, or "everybody will hate us for it!", it doesn't change that I know I am right, that I repeatedly prove those like you to be as wrong as a faggot in a bathhouse, and to be as easily corrupted as a cast Iron pot is to rust.
>The "plan" is to spend the next 50 fucking years growing older and older, thumping our chests about how "SOMEONE should go shooting up transformers" as we wait for it to happen and atrophy
I have no plan, I have goals and I seek those likeminded to aid me in accomplishing them, I have had more people betray me because of their own ideological impurity, or cowardice, or succumbing to the enemy etc., etc., than I can count yet here I sit. still trying to find what and who I need and work out how to accomplish my goals. even if ultimately I can't do it, I'm putting in the effort every day.
>The path to success is to follow the path of EVERY SINGLE successful violent organization in history
You have limited yourself to organizations working under oppressive powers whose goals were far more altruistic and even more selfish than our own, those who limited themselves in both thought and action to accomplish less than we set out to, and you forget that the times they lived in were far more tight knit, far more private, and much more limited in scope, all we need are a group of tightknit ideologically aligned comrades and to find an opportune moment to cause damage, even at the cost of life and liberty. 
I can point out many conquerors who took over without worrying one whit about what people said, and who started with numbers of men less than 50 and still took power and built civilizations, and more, we do not need help from those who hate us more than they hate their supposed enemies and stab us in the back at every turn, You are not advocating for change or anything meaningful you are pining for belonging with the vast majority of society, ignoring that that isn't possible anymore, and it is from that that the core of your beliefs is laid bare. You talk and talk and talk of armed insurgency, and how you studied it, so your conclusions cannot be in error, that just because it was done this way or that way that it must be done that same way again, you don't dare to dream at all, you're a coward who sits around complaining that we here don't do what we talk about when all you know is what we talk about on politics,  what and how we think, all the other things we discuss about more topics than just how to bring this all down so we can build on top of the ashes, and yet you miss the understanding we have of what, and who we are and that we do not seek or need validation from you or anyone else, or at least I don't, can't speak for everyone there.
You cannot see that there is a path where we can destroy the system and do it without being known, because you choose to blinded by the lies of history, the lies of the government, and because you believe that if it hasn't happened before that it cannot be done differently, you are stuck in a way of thinking and will not be budged so it's honestly better that you just stop trying, and shut the fuck up.
>If we had had more men like William Pierce and Jared Taylor, we would be in an even better position today.
The very fact that you dare put Taylor on the same level as Pierce disgusts me you're not a Nazi you're barely better than a conservative, and Pierce would have shot Taylor because he kowtows to jews and sincerely believes they're fucking white people, never mind that he isn't widely liked nor is he successful at anything besides bilking dumbass racists out of money, the only remotely good thing you can say is he's physically fit and speaks well, beyond that he's entirely compromised, seriously get the fuck out of here.
Everything else is you either making shit up to make a point poorly, lauding israel worshipping faggots and cucks(AfD) or being outright fucking delusional, this is why talking to you fucks is usually nothing more than a waste of time.
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>I am disgusted with the past 30 years of internet larping. 
It's ROLE PLAYING; not larping. If it were larping they'd be runnin' around in Nazi attire irl. As if you've watched it for 30 years when people didn't used to use larp that way, the word is not larp. Anyway, image related. Comment was required. 
>the time to strike was decades ago
no shit buddy it's 1984 now so them talking peacefully here is already borederline van worthy an offense but they don't feel like getting shot by nerds over mean words because then they'd become the bad guy for getting their people shot over nerds talking on the Internet. 
>godamnit why don't you people go gas the kikes!!!! 
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>>10419
>  assholes just like you constantly putting the brakes on anything more rebellious than discussing Mein Kampf
What a sack of horse shit. You never get together. You, you personally have never gotten together with anyone in your life.
I guarantee it. You know with perfect clarity that your entire contribution to the cause has been posting anonymously on the internet about how people like me should get ourselves arrested by doing pointless lone wolf attacks. You're saving yourself for a guerrilla war that you have no intention of fighting. Your cope is that you should NEVER meet up to reveal yourself to the feds. Isn't that right?
I do not want us to meet and discuss committing terrorist attacks that we all know none of us are serious about. What I would like is more proactive pro-White activism. That's far more serious than reading Mein Kampf or talking, talking about blowing up federal buildings.

>That's a strawman
No, that is literally how discussing terrorism for the 1046872876743rd time goes. You never articulate how blowing up fucking buildings leads to any achievements. You think you do, but if you actually analyze these discussions realistically, there is never any actual plan to take power after these unrealistically skilled insurgents knock out power to the country. Nevermind how absurd that is. The IRA were a million times more professional than we are, yet they couldn't knock out power across the UK even once. You think it is easy because you have never tried. Because no one here has ever tried. 

>What cause do you have to make these assumptions about me?
Because I have seen thousands of people who mouth off online. If even one of us were actually shooting up transformers, we could draw one of two conclusions
1. We are absolutely fucking terrible at it. Worse than Africans.
2. We have taken out some transformers and had literally zero impact on anything. 
But even number 2 is not likely. The system is not going to suppress actual real life terrorism from our side. They want to frighten the lemmings with stories of us shutting down power to hospitals. That is propaganda gold. 

>you are simply saying do more of the same Meat-grinder Nationalism shit, that has been done for over 70 years
You are simply saying do more of the same terrorist roleplay shit, that has been done for over 70 years.
The difference is that 100% of all successful insurgencies follow my path. Only transient anarchist cults just attack things without any political organization capable of exploiting attacks.

>pick shit apart to do nothing more than waste time
If more White nationalists engaged in the real world, we would be in a far better place. Talking about terrorism you have zero intention of doing is helping no one. It's cathartic roleplay. Not even LARP, that would imply it takes place in the real world.

>Who cares how many people are out there talking about shit they'll never do? Here we talk about  IDEOLOGY, THATS THE POINT OF THIS FUCKING BOARD! 
I mean, I am literally espousing an ideology. The ideology and strategy that EVERY successful armed organization in history has undergone.
> organizations that aren't already infiltrated or controlled by the state are not allowed to exist
Firstly, that is horse shit. Patriot Front proves you wrong.
What you espouse is cope to absolve you of guilt for doing nothing.
>Oh, I WOULD totally be contributing to my race but... uh... oh, it's because I'd get arrested if I did anything IRL
But people do IRL things all the time and you cannot even point to a SINGLE example of pro-White activists being mass arrested apart from either 
1. They get arrested and released in a day. Suffering zero repercussions.
2. They got arrested after idiots like you mouthed off about blowing up federal buildings.
Get over your cope. Dr. Pierce talked about people like you. You agree with him, yet when he asked people to actually help him in the real world, they came up with a million excuses to hide. Pierce was as Revolutionary as I am. I too wish for the mass execution of all our enemies. However, like me, Pierce understood that TALKING about blowing up federal buildings is pointless. He built a successful political organization and only failed because he failed to choose a successor. 

>none of which I will tell you about
Cute. But we all know that none of the things you do involve shooting up substations.
Cut the bullshit. No one, not even people who agree with you, are fooled.

>I can easily survive and thrive, or better, for another 40 or more years
And in 40 years, you will STILL be posting about how people not you should get around to blowing up buildings for you. No one will. 
The only way positive change will ever occur is if White nationalists get over this fucking cope and start building political organization just like every single successful dissident organization in history has done.
Literally nothing will ever result from whining about the lack of violence and posting how to manuals. All change is brought about by organized men in the real world.

>Mason literally wrote the book on what should be done almost 50 years ago,
And no one followed it because it advocated violence. We like to talk big but no one is following through.

Unlike you, I care enough about my race that I see how we have wasted 70 fucking years talking about violence instead of organizing. And I wish to start doing what every single successful organization has done. Literally every single one in history. Every one.
Not one successful nationalist (or any other ideology) movement has EVER succeeded by shooting up transformers before first establishing a powerful political organization.

>those who limited themselves in both thought and action
Laughable choice of words. You limit yourself to thoughts that eschew real politics, and consequently have achieved no action. Serious movements attack the system by EVERY vector. By limiting your mind to only thinking in terms of bomb throwing, you not only cede all initiative to the regime's forces, but you actually guarantee that no one will ever throw a bomb. You are actually the one preventing people from engaging in violence because no one is ever going to do it for you until we first have a viable political movement to carry out more serious attacks than petty vandalism.

>You cannot see that there is a path where we can destroy the system and do it without being known
What a load of horse shit.
Posting anonymously about terrorism isn't going to do anything. And since no one here has any plans to actually do it, this will continue until you are old and a 10% minority.

>I don't like Taylor!
Tough shit. He's accomplished more than you, brought more people to our cause than you have.
>Pierce would have shot Taylor
Pierce was on my side, buddy. He actually built a peaceful and successful White organization that didn't pointlessly mouth off about violence they had no intention of carrying out.
Pierce never shot anyone. He understood, like me, that anyone who mouths off about shooting people online is not serious. You've never shot anyone either. You never will, sadly.
Not until people like me actually build a viable political organization that can aid in serious violence. But, sadly, this will take decades at the current rate.
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>>10478
I'll counter your grandilocuent walls of text, masturbatory grandstanding and childish insults with some simple questions: if Patriot Front is so much better than any of us here, how come they haven't undertaken a single direct action against the enemy? How many kikes have they killed? How many shitskins have they ousted from their territory? How many leftist organization chapters have they taken out? How many politicians have bowed to PF's will and stopped their anti-White agendas? How many of their members are actually White?
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>>10478
>What a sack of horse shit. You never get together. You, you personally have never gotten together with anyone in your life. I guarantee it. You know with perfect clarity that your entire contribution to the cause has been posting anonymously on the internet about how people like me should get ourselves arrested by doing pointless lone wolf attacks. You're saving yourself for a guerrilla war that you have no intention of fighting. Your cope is that you should NEVER meet up to reveal yourself to the feds. Isn't that right?
Why do you never address anything I actually said? Why do you make shit up or extremely Flanderize what little you do respond to? What exactly is it about a sound argument that so repels you? The purpose of this board as stated many fucking times is not to organize meet-ups or to plan out terrorist attacks, it is to discuss Ideology and purify it to it's barest essentials the points and thought that cannot be violated if you wish to call yourself a National Socialist.
>No, that is literally how discussing terrorism for the 1046872876743rd time goes.
You can't just reverse what I said and try and throw it in my face, especially when none of what you say follows my argument or attacks my point at all, it doesn't make sense here and literally is just more of you trying to avoid the question. if you can't ac5tually argue, don't bother responding.
>Because I have seen thousands of people who mouth off online. 
Sure, just like I've seen tens of thousands say the same shit you have repeated ad nauseum for what almost ten months now? and still lose ground, however that's not at issue here, the issue here is that it is people like you who sit here and claim:
<I'm more revolutionary than anybody who says we should blow up powerstations
Yet, when people do attempt it more often than not, they're either snitched out by people who talk just like you, or get caught up in federal nets, usually taking only themselves down in the process, which has never been an issue, stupid people who blab their mouths so much that they get caught up before even taking action generally aren't intelligent enough to be more than a footsoldier, and most probably not even that.
>it's propaganda gold
So what, you have repeatedly been told that the general public hates us without even being prompted most of thye time and that the perp of any given "terrorist action" is jumped on as if they're NS, even when they're the farthest thing from it until it cannot be denied, we literally cannot look worse than we already do, so no matter what action is taken, we cannot look any worse this is chief among the reasons that optics cuckery has no point, and following from there why political "activism" akin to PF, etc. has no further point especially when PF is literally running Interstate Vandalism campaigns using the Postal service to send the materials, to be frank it's amazing or rather extremely suspicious that they haven't been rolled up en-masse yet.
>You are simply saying do more of the same terrorist roleplay shit, that has been done for over 70 years.
Again, you're doing a very poor job of arguing, just repeating what I said back and then making a statement that i literally pointed out as false, a little over a hundred years ago The IRA formed without a political party or backing in the British government, and they liberated three-fourths of Ireland, once again you're avoiding the question, not proving me wrong.
>If more White nationalists engaged in the real world, we would be in a far better place.
No, we wouldn't be, we would be far more well-known and much more easily targeted than we are now especially with the recent rise in anti-Israel boycotting laws here in the US and more attempts at restricting free speech beyond that.
Nobody on this board is going to admit or tell you anything we have or haven't done, and the fact that you keep asking isn't just suspicious, it's ever more indicative that you are a glownigger.
>I mean, I am literally espousing an ideology. The ideology and strategy that EVERY successful armed organization in history has undergone.
You are not spouting an ideology, and certainly not the ideology upon which the backbone of this board is built upon, you are spouting to continue the actions that have lost us ground for 70 years, that is purely strategy, and strategy that has been debunked countless times on this board so much so that beyond invaders like you who constantly pester against what we have discussed so thoroughly that there is no other conclusion but that which we continue to tell you glowniggers. When you do say anything ideological, you prove you do not understand National Socialist ideology in the slightest, and that just lends more to you being a goddamn glownigger.
>Firstly, that is horse shit. Patriot Front proves you wrong.
No they fucking don't, they prove me right literally every day, and I don't have to do anything and their members and federal agents on staff still come to my board and shill every fucking day.
>What you espouse is cope to absolve you of guilt for doing nothing.
I feel no guilt at all, because what I have done will never be spoken on any digital device or within range of anything capable of spying on me, and even if I had chosen to Drop Out, rather than Total Attack, I would still feel no guilt, for I chose a path and one that is still ideologically sound, unlike your position.
>1. They get arrested and released in a day. Suffering zero repercussions.
>2. They got arrested after idiots like you mouthed off about blowing up federal buildings.
The first only happens if they have no reason to arrest them, which isn't the case if they are arrested, or if they are told to do it against their will which is far more common and is certainly so in the case of Patriot Front  as they literally run Vandalism campaigns in every state, all commanded and supplied through the postal service by Thomas himself, which is a federal crime and does qualify for RICO charges.
As for your second assertion, that's usually brought about due to federal infiltration, chiefly brought about by talking about the shit in OPEN FUCKING GROUP CHATS, it's mostly stupid people getting caught for being stupid, and in those cases where it isn't, the feds literally make shit up because the person is actually going to do something, or they coerce CI's to do so if they cannot do so themselves I don't say anything online about what I have or have not done, and I never fucking will, not even on TOR, or whatever other darknet protocols there are.
>Get over your cope. Dr. Pierce talked about people like you.
No, he didn't, he talked about people like you a lot though, in fact one of the prominent passages in his book has people just like you executed because underneath your supposed agreement lie beliefs contrary to our ideology and dangerous to our cohesion. Pierce was not perfect, and I never claimed to agree with everything he said, Personally, I think he put too much importance on respectability and optics, and not enough on purging and keeping purged Christkikes or building the shadow operatives/para-military we needed to actually get anything done. I laud his focus on the intellectual side of the movement and making everything much easier to understand for those intelligent enough to understand in the first place. But for you to compare yourself to him is beyond arrogant and bordering on the profane.
>Cute. But we all know that none of the things you do involve shooting up substations. Cut the bullshit. No one, not even people who agree with you, are fooled.
I never said they did, I also didn't say that it didn't, regardless of what you say, I am not stuck on just that one path of action, and your repeated focus on it to the exclusion of all else as if that is the only thing one can do, is extremely annoying.
>And in 40 years, you will STILL be posting about how people not you should get around to blowing up buildings for you. No one will.  The only way positive change will ever occur is if White nationalists get over this fucking cope and start building political organization just like every single successful dissident organization in history has done.
No, I won't. The IRA, the original, didn't have what you claim is necessary for any success at all, in fact until 1967 there were no political parties that backed the IRA at all, many were formed by former members after they liberated much of Ireland but they did not then and do not now claim to support or back any still existing IRA factions, and one could argue that the PIRA is a separate Organization created by Northern Irish who created Sinn Fein and I'm not really certain what all they have accomplished by having done so, and they certainly aren't very popular in Non-UK Ireland then or now.
>And no one followed it because it advocated violence. We like to talk big but no one is following through.
No it didn't, it's hilarious that despite being Mr.Expert who knows better than the entire population of this board going back almost a decade, that you don't know anything about what Mason advocated for, or the very simple and clearcut reasons he criticized the movement GOING BACK TO THE 70'S, damn near every critique he outlined in his newsletter and later book, is still relevant for Patriot Front TODAY, and not just them pretty much every single organization you can point out, ticks almost every one of his points.
>Unlike you, I care enough about my race that I see how we have wasted 70 fucking years talking about violence instead of organizing. 
You're sounding more and more like a Snitch or a Glownigger with every single word out of your fucking mouth, it is very tiring to constantly point out how you don't understand what you're talking about at all.
>Not one successful nationalist (or any other ideology) movement has EVER succeeded by shooting up transformers before first establishing a powerful political organization.
Hitler was one step from having accomplished a revolution in germany at the beerhall putsch with what 20 men? He had thought the German government and people were far more corrupted and lost than they turned out to be, and if they had been he would not have surrendered to them and would have continued his fight no matter the odds. Once again, The IRA did succeed in liberating most of Ireland, without a political party backing them, so not sure where you get this moronic idea that your assertion is the absolute truth because it isn't, even if it's only that one example, it disproves your assertion of resistance without an approved government party as baseless and false. I really wish you'd let go of this idiotic focus on "ONLY ATTACK TRANSFORMERS DUDE!" I have never said that it is the only path, nor will I say so, there are many things that can be attacked to further the destruction of the System.
>Laughable choice of words. You limit yourself to thoughts that eschew real politics,
There is only one real political force in the world, and that is violence, without violence this corrupt putrid System and the disgusting foreign religion it has aligned itself to, would not have the power they do, take away the force they can bring to bear and they would be gone in a single night. You cannot argue this is not the case. You cannot convince me that bullshit retard rallies, and spray-painting americana on buildings, is somehow "real politics", and you cannot do so not because I am not open to it, but because I can point out how very fucking stupid it all is, and how weak and ineffectual anyone looks doing either of those. 
>What a load of horse shit. Posting anonymously about terrorism isn't going to do anything. And since no one here has any plans to actually do it, this will continue until you are old and a 10% minority.
When your so-called political activism results in anything of use let me know, at least I can point to how terrorist actions by White men have done what they set out to do, which is make shit worse for the system, scare our political opponents into slowing down or even stopping for a time, and make shit harder for the System to manage, has it hit a point that the whole thing is coming down right now? No, but that doesn't mean it had no point or purpose, even if all it did was fill the hearts of our enemies with terror that is enough for me.
>Tough shit. He's accomplished more than you, brought more people to our cause than you have.
Sure if you consider constantly bilking White men and women out of money to fund his magazine that never mentions the jew and certainly never points out how dangerous and subversive Christianity is and being super polite with how he talks about racial matters an accomplishment, then yeah, he did.
>Pierce was on my side, buddy
No, he wasn't, and your fantasy beliefs following this are even more profane than what you said before.
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>>10482
That would be rather stupid of them. They should instead settle in a very White territory and start converting people, building a strong militant community, find a way to attract young people and older people while building a multi-fronted mafia of some sort, with people ready to do the dirty work, and keeping some neutral but perhaps sometimes useful contacts with local police forces that will act as a buffer against the higher Fed rungs. At least that would get things rolling.
>>10409
>i merged three or four threads yesterday 
O_O
Guys, I don't know what you wanking over. Read Wodensson. He talks about insurgency mixed to the requirements of a functional political front. Why none of you mention him, as if he had written nothing, done nothing, known nobody?
You oppose elements which for most part are valid in themselves, but it's not this or that, it's all of that.
It's the politics, it's the clean front, it's the community building, it's reaching out to all ages and job types. It's also keeping our streets clean and children educated. It's making sure that when cops are too intrusive, they may lose a leg or two. Same for social nuisances. We need to be able to maintain our order. It's also about finding motivated people in that community to train them, and that will go as far as it needs to go. It's the understanding that dirty work is good work. It's the underground force, never seen, always felt. It's the propaganda, all day long, unrelenting, online and offline, brought to people, forced into their minds like we'd force feed geese. It's ways to build networks and accumulate wealth for the cause, mostly legal and the rest shuffled around so that it cannot be seized. It's preparing our people and homes for any possible greater violence, starting with the ways we build our places. Walls, streets, depots, secret stashes, etc. It's the outer and the inner language, the codes. It's the selection of particular targets when time comes.
We can't attack the government, but we can build militant communities, but we must not ask for people to accept us. We need to settle there, take control. Building a camp and having White racists join is funny but won't get us anywhere soon enough because it depends on people gathering. We need to plant the seeds of our new civilization right in the middle of White territories and progressively cleanse them with varying degrees of pressure.
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>be Patriot Front
>go on marches
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>make a podcast
>hand flyers to people on the street
>commit petty vandalism
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The idea of attacking power grids that majority of accelerationests push for it is dumb when you have an easy peasy targets like oil&gas pipelines which majority of our infrastructure (including electricity) is dependent on it. By targeting these pipelines it would not just cause a mass outage in continental US, it will also cause an economic crash, prices will go up especially the gas prices, majority of the American houses will be deprived from gas (and electricity) to heat their food, it will force an entire chimp out from the niggers and other shitskins, a chimp that even the army themselves aren’t able to handle it.

Most of these pipelines are not buried under the surface, so it will require to do the task an organised group of at least 1000 NS to accomplish it, and the rest is history.
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>seething so hard you just HAVE to edit the OP, instead of trusting the userbase to laugh at it
At this point just rename the board to /stalinism/, orloGAY.
I am tired of these derad's in our spaces, everyday I wake up sick and tired of none-Whites. I am not even White, I am weary of blacks and browns, when in public, violence is the solution. Examine what the early bolsheviks did. They used violence and terrorism. You can too.
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>>10621
It requires a coordinated attack in multiple points to create the maximum and lasting damage possible. Going for only this or only that is not helpful whereas breaking pipes and bombing plants, power nodes and bridges are all necessary, and even if it feels dirty, shooting and repair crews will be useful.


>>10624
They operated within a very destabilized country that was already economically attacked by foreign intests. The bolsheviks were also well organized and trained. On top of that they had a lot of support from many working groups led by unions. I will refrain from further blackpilling but merely saying look at what communists did to ask us to emulate them is extremely shortsighted. You sound like an amateur in fact and is worrying regarding this board's quality.
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>>10626
>I will refrain from further blackpilling
Why refrain from it? You know we're fucked.
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>>10634
It seems like he's right though. People have never had more reason to revolt and yet a revolt has never been more likely. Anyone who tries is arrested literal hours after even saying anything spicy.
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>yet a revolt has never been more likely.
I assume by the rest of your post you meant to say more likely to fail.
>>10634
It’s true that it is impossible to destroy the system that has the most advanced army the history has ever known, but it doesn’t mean that this system does not have weak points in it, if we hit it, it could weaken the system step by step and its destruction could be a possibility.
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>>10641
Step by step means it will fail far beyond our lifetimes. Whites will mix out by then. It's pointless.
>>10635
Which is the sign that this is the end of it, or we're in for countless decades of an insufferable slow death.
>>10543
Within those ?????s lies things like growing an actual support base, something you lack. 
Having an actual support base among the people you claim to be fighting for leads to a range of possibilities which you are incapable of doing today, such as actual violence that is effective.
>>10505
>Why do you never address anything I actually said?
I did. 
>What exactly is it about a sound argument that so repels you?
I only make sound arguments.

Cite one thing that is not beneficial about building a support network among White people that allows for a rebellion to succeed. No one ever has.
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>>10520
>We can't attack the government, but we can build militant communities
This is correct. 

>>10482
>if Patriot Front is so much better than any of us here, how come they haven't undertaken a single direct action against the enemy?
As others have stated, because that would be counter-productive. Violence at this stage would be meaningless.
If every single PF member went underground today and wages a guerrilla war, they would lose due to attrition within a few years. 
> How many kikes have they killed? 
No more than you have.
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>>10710
>As others have stated, because that would be counter-productive. Violence at this stage would be meaningless.
WHEN is it gonna be the time for violence, then? When the government forces racial integration? It's decades since that milestone was passed. When the government openly promotes miscenegation? Ditto. When shitskins rapaciously prey on Whites on the streets in broad daylight? Been the case for years and years and years. When Whites are below replacement rate worldwide? When Whites become minorities in their own cities? That's already the case. When White people go to jail for so much as saying we deserve to exist? Been the case for ages. It's been the better part of a decade. All you ever say is "two more weeks bro, trust the plan (also keep the donations coming)". There's no plans, no deadlines, no real objectives other than vague platitudes about "getting organized" and "creating the environment for resistance". Time passes, and nothing happens, and none of us is getting any younger.

>If every single PF member went underground today and wages a guerrilla war, they would lose due to attrition within a few years. 
What a convenient excuse. You know what the real answer is? They never will do anything. The leadership is a bunch of con-men that won't want to risk the gravy train of donations. Why risk their necks committing hard crimes they can go to Assrape Federal Correctional for when they can bilk credulous idiots for money and hoodwink them into thinking they're doing something ad infinitum? If the going gets tough, I guarantee they'll throw their idiot acolytes under the bus to get a sweetheart plea deal. 

>No more than you have.
Enough with the deflections. Ball's on your court. They number hundreds strong, they've been around for years. What have they gotten done? Nothing. And they never will, because that's not the point. The point is siphon fit young White men away from any kind of meaningful resistance and keep them in a complacent haze with placebo action. And then, set them up for arrest while the leaders conveniently get immunity for turning state's evidence. Yeah, I said it. Patriot Front is a honeypot.
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Why not go the Pierce route and patch up all the few critical mistakes he did?
Using leaflets dropped into mailboxes should work well. Don't over-rely on internet, and duplicate as much as possible the information or be both off and online. Really try to make human contact important as often as possible.
Keep the organization clean and mature. Patriot Front has bad optics.
HQ: Find a place that is not too isolated because you will need to build a network that is tied to business and money, but definitely avoid a state's county that is beyond racial salvation. I'd say pick a 95+% Whiteness area, semi-urban, developed. Wealth and transportation will help.
Already have a plan to disseminate a chapters. For that you need to look into historical cases and see how you can jump start some selective and smart recruitment.
Consider a proper estate with a solid building and something easy to defend and expand.
Thick walls and anything that can prevent armored vehicles from going through are useful too. Secondary exits, tunnels, etc.
HQ will be both the nervous center of communications and a fort you should feel safe in, easy to defend if anything goes south.
Your job also entails building a community of real people, not caricatures.
Identify the people and groups that have money and do your best to grab any percentage of that wealth for the organization. If necessary, change the message accordingly.
Your goal: propaganda, information, awareness, defense.
You need to breastfeed your target audience, easy data, small quantities, simple truths, repeat repeat repeat.
Stick to facts, avoid producing original content that can be tagged by the enemy. You can mention Jews, but don't extrapolate. Use a rhetoric that leaves no doubt about the obvious answers to astute questions.
Stay safe. Don't be a jerk. You want to be alluring to people of all ages, sexes and professions. Have a plan for each one of these groups. Stuff for kids, for mothers, for farmers, ex-marines too, firefighters, artists, carpenters, white collars, etc.
Contain and restrain the most radical profiles for now. Especially those that are trying to do some sub-recruiting. Sooner or later someone will try to entice another person to blow some federal building.
Make sure to convince people to get some self defense training, gun training and share tips about security. Don't hesitate to promote the exchange of alternative means of communication. Long range radio, meshnet, etc.
Any day some odd violence might happen that would be caused by a White person acting against perceived enemies, never condone said violence. But don't outwardly condemn it either, merely point out that there is an unfortunate risk of an increase in violent events and the culprit is the government. That's political talk btw.
Be careful with the painful trupills.
If at least you manage to build such a network you shouldn't be too concerned about the less pleasant side of what may come next. But we need at least a solid civil base before anything else.
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>>10737
>Consider a proper estate with a solid building and something easy to defend and expand.
>Thick walls and anything that can prevent armored vehicles from going through are useful too. Secondary exits, tunnels, etc.
>HQ will be both the nervous center of communications and a fort you should feel safe in, easy to defend if anything goes south.
Excellent idea, let's ask David Koresh and company how that went for them.
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Why can’t we just attack prisons where our natsoc brothers jailed in and liberate them? I remember back in 2013, isis attacked prisons in iraq and syria where their jihadist peers are in it, and after they got enough men they launched their attack against iraq and syria.
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>>10745
Risky and costly. Prisons are fortresses, and even if you had the bodies and firepower to breach into one, you'd have to contend with SWAT, National Guard, and various other reinforcements on the way out. And then comes the really hard part, even harder than breaking in, rescuing the prisoners, getting out and keeping the rescuees alive throughout: getting away with it.You bet your ass that if "neo-nazi terrorists" breached a prison and nabbed their compatriots there'd be a nationwide manhunt from every branch of law enforcement and the military. Not to say it cannot be done, it can, you'd just have to either weaken them extensively beforehand, or just boast a shitload of men and firepower as mentioned earlier.
>>10751
Addendum: even if you take all of the above into account and succeed in your stated objectes, you will suffer casualties.
>>10751
Most prisons are isolated from the urban areas, we could have time to rescue the prisoners before the SWAT comes in.
>And then comes the really hard part, even harder than breaking in, rescuing the prisoners, getting out and keeping the rescuees alive throughout: getting away with it.You bet your ass that if "neo-nazi terrorists" breached a prison and nabbed their compatriots there'd be a nationwide manhunt from every branch of law enforcement and the military.
That would be in an assumption that we are not following the Taliban method where we hide in the wilderness away from urban areas. 

Remind you that the scenario where we attack prisons to rescue our peers will only happen when the nation is under dire circumstances like maybe civil war, isis rescued their prisoners when the Syrian army was busy fighting the rebels.
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>>10714
>WHEN is it gonna be the time for violence, then?
When we are capable of winning it.
At present, we are not just not capable of winning.
We are incapable of even doing it.
As this entire board and every other 4chan clone demonstrates.

>There's no plans, no deadlines, no real objectives other than vague platitudes about "getting organized" and "creating the environment for resistance". Time passes, and nothing happens, and none of us is getting any younger.
Correct. Unfortunately, the first step to violence is establishing the pre-requisites for violence. Random schizos going on random shooting sprees every couple of years is not political violence, nor effective. Only organized violence will overthrow ZOG and the word "organized" comes before "violence"

>They never will do anything. The leadership is a bunch of con-men that won't want to risk the gravy train of donations.
This is a fair critique. If their leadership are indeed grifters, then we must establish new and more serious organizations. However, at this stage they are the only organized White men of note so I will defend their actions. It is better to have a corrupt pro-White force than none. Just as it would be preferable to have a corrupt pro-White insurgency than none at all. You cannot afford to be emotional when we're staring extinction in the face.

>They number hundreds strong, they've been around for years.
I have calculated that we should expect to sustain at least 38,000 casualties from a low intensity insurgency with ZOG. This is not factoring in going conventional, which would, I think, be necessary in the end. After all, the end goal of a guerrilla soldier should be to hold territory and become a conventional army.
In any case, no. 500 or so is not enough to win a struggle against the largest and most sophisticated police state in history.

>siphon fit young White men away from any kind of meaningful resistance
Now this is funny. This is actually hilarious.
Hey buddy: What meaningful resistance are they syphoning White men off of?
The one in your head?
That doesn't exist, so your point is just delusional.
>>10745
>>10751
>Why can’t we just attack prisons where our natsoc brothers jailed in and liberate them?
Because we lack the ability to do so and the will to do so.
Plus several other reasons, but it's mostly our utter lack of ability to affect organized violence.

>>10754
>we could have time to rescue the prisoners before the SWAT comes in.
We would need an organized and capable fighting force to go attack prisons.

It is so bizarre that everyone but me is just assuming that we have some invisible NatSoc army hidden away somewhere that we can deploy to solve all our problems by willing it into existence through online roleplay.
No one seems to understand that if we want such an army to exist, we will need to create it in the real world.
>>10714
As an aside, according to extrapolations from a 2017 survey, approximately 30 million Americans (White people) "agree with the alt-right on core issues"
Now, the irony of this is that you, we both know, would dismiss 90% of these people as impure. Yet doing so actually bolsters my argument that we are not capable of winning a war of attrition against ZOG, or any war whatsoever. 
If we could somehow mobilize 30 million people against ZOG, with perhaps 3 million actively fighting and 27 million playing supporting roles, we'd win pretty quickly.

But if we dismiss 90% of them, we are dealing with only 3 million White men who could be considered White nationalists.
Still, if all of these mobilized into an organized insurgency, we could field 300,000 men with 2.7 million playing a supportive role in the conflict. That's impressive.

But we will never be able to mobilize anyone without an organization to mobilize them. Random anons on a tiny board are not generals and wield no power. Furthermore, at present approximately 0% of this fighting force are willing to engage in violence. Why? 
If you're half as serious about revolution as I am, you should be asking yourself every single day: What is preventing us from fighting back?

Perhaps the answer starts with you. What is preventing you from fighting back? And I mean with physical force rather than posting memes online. 
I suspect that what's stopping you from sabotaging substations is the knowledge that it would achieve nothing and your likelihood of success is low while your chances of being arrested are very high. But I suspect that your biggest impediment is the knowledge that no one would join you, or even be capable of joining you if they were so inclined. You'd be utterly alone, your funds dwindling as you fled aimlessly from the police, not knowing whether they were onto you, you'd spend many sleepless nights gripping a rifle in your motel or the back of your truck, certain that you would be going down shooting this night after you heard the sound of the police sirens. Like Brenton Tarrant, he had hoped that his actions would energize copy-cat shooters. But only one or two rose to the challenge and their antics achieved even less than his.

This idea that stochastic terrorism will achieve anything is idiotic.
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>>10392
Posting in retarded keyboard warrior thread. Thanks for the free entertainment, toughtnuts lmfao
>>10742
>Excellent idea, let's ask David Koresh and company how that went for them.
The place they were in was anything but a fort you dumbass. Learn to read.
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>>10708
You didn't address anything I said
And you certainly didn't make sound arguments, especially you didn't address anything that directly proves you wrong, and rather ignored anything that even remotely challenged you.
>>10773
according to extrapolations from a 2017 survey, approximately 30 million Americans (White people) "agree with the alt-right on core issues"
We don't even know what supposed points these people agree on, with the "alt-right", nobody even knows what Alt-right is! it's a shitty label that encompasses everything from the Tea Party to outright fucking commies, making it entirely worthless and thus any extrapolation you use to make an argument also worthless.
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>>10776
If you can't go toe-to-toe with a first-world military having a big visible stronghold is a bad idea. When you're in the guerilla warfare phase invisibility is your best friend. Strongholds are for when you've got enough men and firepower to claim and control physical territory.
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>>10780
You're not supposed to wait getting besieged. The purpose is to have a safe place in a relatively well defended territory so that if the government ever tries something silly it would be harder to take you down. You couldn't get vanned away at four in the morning.
Obviously, if the government became cocky enough to go that far and your own forces couldn't do anything about it, the immediate objective would be to flee while making it hard for Feds to get anywhere the heart of the compound. If armored SWAT vehicles and helicopters (and now drones) can safely move around it, it has definitely failed its purpose.
If the government is already sending heavy armor and more forces, the very idea of even having an official political center is already bunk. But other than that, there is no acceptable reason to make the ZOG's work easier.
>>10778
I wrote pages of posts refuting your points but someone complained that I am too wordy, so I respond with a very simple point which you cannot refute.

It is a good thing for White men to organize. That is the prerequisite for resistance. 

>You can't just reverse what I said and try and throw it in my face
It's what you do though. People like you have been talking tough on the internet for decades and it achieves nothing. 
But there's just little of substance in your long post to even refute.
I refute a point and you just retort "NUH UH!!!!"

Address the facts like a White man: You've been spamming empty violent roleplay for decades with NOTHING to show for it. You cannot even articulate how we go from mouthing off online to taking over the country. I can and have over and over explained in detail how political organization comes before violence. I cited historical examples and explained in detail the obvious logic behind this rule.

>I refute this survey!!!
Okay. Then that only further proves my point. If the number of Americans who agree with us is even lower than 3 million, then we have a lot of work to do and you roleplaying that you're a revolutionary online like a child isn't advancing that goal.
>Hitler was one step from having accomplished a revolution in germany at the beerhall putsch with what 20 men?
Lol, is this supposed to be sarcasm?
>Pierce had you executed in his book
Nope. That was a man who was arguing for a political solution AFTER the revolution had already begun. Pierce did talk about you though. How now was not the time to go commit lone wolf attacks because it would accomplish nothing. Though actually, that's not even fair since you aren't doing even that. He instead talked about TALKERS who TALK about revolution yet do not lift a finger to help him build a pro-White organization, the National Alliance.

>There is only one real political force in the world, and that is violence
Then you're not engaging in politics. Also, everything is politics. What matters is victory and you playing around online is proof that you're not serious. You're not even LARPing. Militiamen are LARPing. You're doing the equivalent of online D&D.
I lay out a sober pathway for violence. You want to sabotage us, to keep White men TALKING and TALKING and TALKING without ever accomplishing a damn thing. You are the deradicalization shill here, though I don't accuse you of being paid or nefarious. You're just a 4channer who is rightfully angry but hasn't a full grasp of history and isn't serious about this White nationalism thing.
You're here to virtue signal to other roleplayers. You talk tough but are unwilling to make any sacrifices to actually advance the cause. When I tell you that it's possible to win, but that that path isn't like a videogame or movie, you get angry.
Real revolutionaries work with whatever we have to advance the goal. Currently, thanks to you, we literally have nothing. Nothing but online image boards, that is.

Once again, the best thing anyone here has done for the cause is not blowing up transformers, but creating sites like this to spread the truth and truly radicalize deradicalized RPers like yourself. If you only knew that there was hope for success, you might get off your ass and contribute to people who actually give a shit.
How is it possible for a NatSoc movement to reach authority without violence? It’s impressive to see how the NSN are ahead of any NS movement, but to think they could seize authority and rule over entire Australia is kind of hard to imagine.
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>Everything that isn't voting and sucking off jews is DUH FEDS
You have to go back
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>>13450
You don't get it mang, I need to shoot up a bunch of disposable niggers mang. This is real praxis mang, just let me shoot a couple a niggers mang. If we killed enough niggers we'll be good mang, come on buddy, let's hang out irl and kill some nigs. Trust me mang, it'll save the White race mang.
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>208888
Horry shit mang. This some divine ID mang.
>>13455
projecting because i never said that you kike
why did my id change
>>13456
Butthurt because the actions of heroes like Breivik and Tarrant expose your homosexual mystery meat circlejerk as a social club of do-nothings, aren't you, grifter boy?
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>>13450
do you have any better idea's faggot? Guess you like being around nigers % not discussing action. 
            that's the only way
I think the worst posters here are O9A, who are more like freelancers and/or useful idiots for feds, not on-the-books employees.

But it's not an entire board worth of O9A satanists.
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>>13473
I do not see O9A even being promoted here that much?
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>>13465
Ah yes, shoot a bunch of people and then get arrested and used to remove liberties. Truly a force for our people. Fucking kill all wignats.
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>>13477
>Is against killing niggers and jews
>Immediately calls for the killing of "wignats"
Do JIDF agents even try anymore?
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>>13478
How is killing people and getting arrested an effective strategy? I'm just tired of how stupid wignats are. Personally ethnonationalism is far far much better.
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>>13479
Have you considered that the crackdowns/anti-White propaganda which spawns from those events is good, as it removes the comfort from the masses and makes them face reality more?

You will not achieve shit if the masses stay comfortable. You can put up as many le based redpill videos as you want, but as long as normies feel comfy, they will do nothing. It seems to be you have not even researched accelerationism
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>>13480
Why would I? Accelerationism birthed from Atomwaffen, Atomwaffen was a honeypot? Why would a honeypot's literature be of any interest to me? Fuck off siegefaggot.
>Have you considered that the crackdowns/anti-White propaganda which spawns from those events is good
No? In fact it will make the masses want more crackdowns because of the violence, only few might.
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>>13482
Accelerationism was not birthed by Atomwaffen, don't know why you are randomly obsessing over a dead group. 
>siegefaggot
Have you even read the book? I doubt it, you would rather cry and throw insults around like a child instead
>No? In fact it will make the masses want more crackdowns because of the violence, only few might.
And what if things get so extreme that they can no longer escape from reality via hedonism? What if they cannot turn on the TV or get instant access the goyslop foods anymore? The bread and circus is what keeps them distracted, so what if it was gone?

Also, I have noticed a theme among people who act like you - never offering a genuine solution. Hint hint: you aren't going to win by debating or trying to get into politics when the entire system is fucked in every aspect.
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>>13483
>never offering a genuine solution
They don't want anyone wanting to implement actual solutions instead of the tired old political hamster wheel. The derad playbook is extremely adamant about never going out and actually doing something, just meaningless gestures and futile political ventures riddled with concessions. Hint: It's because they're either grifters trembling with fear at the prospect of being exposed as the do-nothing scam artists they are by the actually consequential actions of saints and having their grifting schemes disrupted, or straight-up feds. Also this thread is garbage and should be deleted or, at best, folded into the derad thread.
>>13456
The BO used to unironically argue this all the time but the rest of the posters here (mainly me) shouted him down until he shut the fuck up. Now he mostly seems to lurk
>>13479
Agreed. I'm not going to condemn Tarrant. Cutting the grass is an accomplishment. But we really do need organizations I don't care what the seejtards say. If mass mobilization is truly impossible then our race is doomed anyway
>>13480
The best the masses will do is loot if they're literally starving. Short of that they're only really good as a passive support base to donate money etc.

This is apropos of nothing, but apparently the assassination of Shinzo Abe was so successful it lead to the near-outlaw of the Moonie Church in Japan
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>>13491
You know it's funny you retards say this shit but when I look back through all the arguments I have been a part of none of you made any arguments worth merit, and the only reason i stopped being a part of it was because you have nothing to offer me to engage in the arguments against you, you are uninteresting, boring, and completely unoriginal, merely parroting the arguments of cowards and grifters from everywhere else, ones which i have thoroughly blown out both on old iterations of /fascist/ and here, as the arguments are still in this thread and others, there for all to see. I didn't give up you're just too fucking stupid for me to bother with.
>>13474
AFAIK nobody who is O9A peruses or contributes on this board, this is because there are no public named groups on this board, both because they get thoroughly ridiculed when they do try and because Patriot Front has tried many many times to infiltrate and always fail because they are faggots and derads and subverters and I will never allow any such shit be as it only invites infiltrators and retards to come and open their mouths not that they stop anyway.
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My only argument against accelerationism is that mass revolution by Whites will never happen. My source for that is endless transgressions which are never avenged. The government could start arresting every White man for the crime of being White and maybe 5% of them would ever gang together and fight ZOG. It is a lost cause.
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Niggas forget that the reason NSDAP took authority in germany was because of the economic and security crisis of that time, the terrorism of the marxists combined with the economic depression led the NSDAP to be the only perfect solution for the germans. Right now there’s a little bit marxists terrorism but there’s no real economic depression, which is what will force people to radicalise and rebel against authorities.
>>13499
Nah we thoroughly trounced you queer, but like most neo-Nazi LARPers (as opposed to proper National Socialists) you're too much of a low-IQ psychopath to realize that no one takes you seriously.
>>13499
How does posting on this board radicalize people?
Furthermore, you say that you'll never allow Patriot Front members to come here and open their mouths. But what are they saying that is bad for the cause? Hitler didn't complain online, he organized in real life. 

>>13503
>mass revolution by Whites will never happen
Fine. Then what is the solution? Infiltrate the government? Flee to a island? Wait for the collapse?
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>>13761
>Then what is the solution? Infiltrate the government? Flee to a island? Wait for the collapse?
Yes, but there's more.
We need to actively seek out other Pro-Whites and quietly build communities, businesses and networks between them that don't draw attention until there is power in numbers.
I've known preppers who have "Waited" their entire lives for te "Inevitable", which is always in "Just 2 more weeks"
Several of them just died waiting, and all their acquired "preparedness" was just sold off wholesale or thrown away by the kids or the bank taking repossesion of the home.
It would be a far, far better thing to have pro-White communities dotted all across the nation, building up real wealth and infrastructure. Small groups of families could buy land together and part it out and build on it for far less than the $400K suburban, 2 bedroom shitbox surrounded by DIEversity.
Apprenticeship programs could be started by those with the know-how, to teach the younger generations, and they could also HOUSE them (perhaps even in non-permanent housing-NON TAXABLE,) while also working and learning skills IRL. They would first earn the tools they need, then could start saving for their own land and businesses.
just like ((( modern life ))) is not conducive to living off of solar panels, but with a few adjustments, solar can cover your true power needs; the current system is designed to suck all the wealth and energy from you even if you do almost nothing.

White businesses that will still do trade and service for others cannot be legally "Shoah'd" but there also isn't anything that ((( they ))) can do about small businesses (under 10 employees,) and contracts between people that leave the ((( Banks ))) out of it altogether.
...YET.

Lot's of mutual funds and ((( Asset Management firms ))) have recently been even buying up trailer parks and jacking the rents up to absurd amounts like $1600/month
While you can own the doublewide, or broke down RV, you will still never get ahead.

We can change that.
then when the numbers are strong enough, townships and and even whole counties can be "taken over" and brought back to the will and benefit of the people.
tricky, but it can be done.
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>>13761
>Hitler didn't complain online, he organized in real life. 
Online didn't exist, stop being a faggot.
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>>13761
>>13769
Fair point that Uncle A would have been in AWE of today's information apparatus, but He did have access to the Kiked ((( Press ))), but they most assuredly locked-out and deplatformed him there too. 

Of course, It was NatSoc Germany who brought television into mainstream use.
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>>13768
>We need to actively seek out other Pro-Whites and quietly build communities
Okay, I am doing that already. in fact, I'm doing more than that because I'm creating/fostering more pro-Whites.
Here's the problem though; It's extremely difficult to actually find pro-Whites out here unless they advertise. A lot of folks who casually nigger-bomb (metaphorically speaking, sadly) are low IQ. High IQ racists control their language. But that makes us harder to find. 
Furthermore, high IQ seems to correlate with lack of interest to do anything risky.
Also, it's not possible for me to "build a community" until I have resources to build a community. But to get those resources, I need to either be rich (which I'm not) or to have a community who pools our money together.
Therein lies the paradox. I need to have a pro-White community to make one.

All your specific ideas are good but I must point out that all of them require a sizeable number of people acting offline to do it. Basically you're saying "build a parallel society." A small group of, say, 5 pro-Whites lack the capacity to enact all these ideas. Unless one of us is rich and owns a business. Which is great, but small cells that don't talk to each other will leave most without the means to do anything beyond hang out and complain about jews.
What is necessary is for the cells to talk to each other through a super organization.

>>13769
>there was no internet in 1933
Wow, no shit? You're so smart that my post went over your giant brain head.
>>13780
There are many who understand the problem you are talking about, but anyone who tries to create a solution gets fedjacketed. It really does seem the case that the fear of infiltration is more damaging than the infiltration itself.
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>>13780
> It's extremely difficult to actually find pro-Whites out here unless they advertise
Yes...That's true(same anon) but if you are smart enough, you know how to steer a casual conversation into the "No-No areas" then coax them out. This isn't something one does on a first meeting of course, but it is possible.
I personally went down to the RTTL, and had many "backchannel" convos with real builders and ideas-men.
we kinda came to the same conclusion. It was vaporware, however promising, and they had painted a BIG Fickken TARGET on themselves, as well as having a leadership with questionable pasts.
you can't do that.
Hell, I was booted without any of the measures specified in the guidelines, just because their project manager was a "Fake-it-til-U-Make-it" type and didn't like that I had over 20 years of real EXP.
I still have 2 pieces of rock from there as a memento of what NOT to do.
 There are at least 3 other groups down in that area who went about it differently.
I also considered the NWF/PNW but I don't think that the para-militaristic model is any better, for OPSEC reasons.
My first understanding of "just how bad things are" was when a Identity Europa sticker on a pick-up truck at a farmer's market in a little liberal town with a BIG 10 college in it, brought down the KIKEHAMMER, and by the end of a week the fucking governer was openly Apologizing to BLM for having Rasssist Whites at a farmers market.
I can almost guarantee those niggers were NOT affiliated with the school at all, but you can bet they picked up tons of supporters.

No... I quietly pick and choose whom I will promote group land buys with and building your own communities, but I'm much less reserved about "Wondering aloud" where freedom of association went, and why Straight White males can't seem to get any of the decent Corpo-jobs.
Then I usually roll into how I feel bad that Millennials and zoomers have been fucked in the housing dept. Now that the propery tax ALONE on a $400K 2 bedroom shitbox is anywhere from 12K-32K ANNUALLY, just because of Weimar 2.0.

Alternatively, a good gauge of a "power-level" is to approach it from the devaluation of the dollar. I can let them roll on from there to see where they stand, and if they'd be receptive to a 3rd position.\
>Furthermore, high IQ seems to correlate with lack of interest to do anything risky.
true.. and there is a considerable chilling effect with surveillance the way it is today.
I sure as hell wouldn't just roll into an active club. Too many 
>ASSETS
already in.
You aren't wrong about how it TAKES financial backing to get rolling.
that's probably the weakest link.
Hell, I tried to anonymously get some crypto or direct pay to donate to a content creator,(Devon Stack,) but every single one of them required SOME sort of Identifying confirmation..
What's the fucking point?
At this point, I'm considering seeing if he'll set up a P.O. box and just send him a $50 giftcard like a Jeet.
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>>13780
>Basically you're saying "build a parallel society."
Also...YES!
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>>13887
I have doubts about whether such a decentralized/distributed method can really win. Can we really afford to have hundreds of tiny projects that don't communicate or help each other? Seems like waiting for death by South Africa farm murder to me.
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>>13906
>Can we really afford to have hundreds of tiny projects that don't communicate or help each other?
NO! that is KEY
we need to have thousands of smol businesses and communities that have a network.
THAT is the trickiest part.
you can't even claim White pacifism anymore, the kikes will just roll over you.
>YOU ARE RACIST AND EVIL, just on account of BEING WHITE
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>>13909
Okay, so the question is by what mechanism can that be accomplished. If I find a handful of pro-White friends do a land buy and/or business venture with, how can I channel that into a larger effort? If we're too afraid of "duh feds" to reach out, we will never grow, but it's not as if infiltration can't cause problems.

How would these small groups vet each other?
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>How would these small groups vet each other?
that is the problem we have been wrestling with for years.
i think the short answer is simply, we need to be tacit in our businesses and communities, then individuals can work their way up the "Ladder"
key to this is NOT being adversarial. You may have seen just how fast the RTTL got dogpiled, even by the likes of ((( TMZ ))) amongst other ((( affiliated ))) expose' groups.

I personally am planning to start an apprenticeship program. that will be part of the vetting.
those businesses will expand outward from there with both horizontal expansion(things needed for home building that we currently get from Chinkland or other places) and also the expansion of communities that are intentional and *(QUIETLY) pro-White.
My personal "Chink in the ((( armor )))" is housing.
I plan to encourage young White couples to buy in together land, and put timberframe or non-permanant housing, or even kit homes...but the ability to have multiple White owned sources for manufacturing and all the things involved in that are right there...
Cottage industry like workwear and clothing are also viable.
We NEED to bring manufacturing BACK, and if White companies are making the things, soon enough, people will flock to them, as they will be superior products.

>Build a better mousetrap...

I also think that Whites should start having camping festivals that offer workshops, mentoring and networking..
I'm working on that too. You just can't advertise to the ((( MAINSTREAM ))), but instead operate more like RAVES did in the 90s and 00s
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>>13913
It's definitely a workable idea, of course this all counts on a certain amount of geographic consolidation. Thankfully, everyone even vaguely pro-White knows the three areas that everyone talks about in the US.
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>>13919
Hopefully there will be more.
My ideal would be 10 acres with a home and outbuildings, and a chainsaw mill, where my apprentices could live ON SITE, in non-permanent housing with minimal costs, and first be able to purchase all their own needed tools, then be able to save for their OWN acreage, with others. All while working and building both contacts and wealth.

We need to embrace the mentality of planting trees that we will never see the shade nor fruit of...
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>>13919
Please forgive my LATENESS.
i am also doing IRL shit and am being actively monitored.
hey, here's a fun thing:
Get a bell-Howell or Bunker-Hill hidden camera detector,9works on detecting radio waves,) and place it next to your SMORTPHONE™ and see just what it's doing.
Mine is putting out a funky rhythm every ~20 mins. akin to Kilgore trout's  'DUM DUM DUMMDUM TADUM'   from ...IDK one of tose old SF books I read.
>>13886
>anyone who tries to create a solution gets fedjacketed. It really does seem the case that the fear of infiltration is more damaging than the infiltration itself.
I've noticed this as well.
It's extremely effective in disrupting resistance to the System. That's why we're complaining online and not in power.
I have no idea how to fix this except to hope that this is mostly boomercons and maybe it'll improve once they're dead.

>>13888
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I'm trying but as I said, it's difficult with so few people. Yes, I can find out who is and isn't pro-White or who is and isn't politically incorrect. That's easy. In fact, very few of my friends aren't pro-White to one degree or another. In fact, my area is pretty fortunate insofar as being based. You'll probably disbelieve me, but I have literally talked about jewish influence over America with the principal of the local school. That is not someone you expect to be open to this sort of conversation. I'm not stupid and this conversation was the result of days of testing the water. 
Yet what can I do with this? Being perceptive enough to detect politically incorrect people also makes me perceptive enough to know that a conversation is as far as he's willing to go. This is the case with most of my friends. We're not a cell, we don't do anything and even I was confident in their courage to do something, I don't even know what we'd do. While my area is based, there are plenty of karens and shitlibs lurking like termites in the woodwork. If we went door to door proselytizing, some of us might face repercussions... especially me given my sensitive job.
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>>13913
I mean, I don't want to get banned for crime-think but Patriot Front is objectively the largest pro-White group in America. That's not an opinion. That is a fact. And it's kind of a sad fact since their numbers cannot be larger than 700 total.
Patriot Front literally states that its goal is to have White owned businesses collaborating to allow White employees to be able to vocalize our opposition to the regime without fear of being doxxed and fired. 

The ideal achievement for us has to be the establishment of pro-White private schools where you can be a teacher and teach real history without getting fired.
Alternatively, literally taking over a county somewhere would give us real economic and political infrastructure from which to attack the System.
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>>13996
> You'll probably disbelieve me
NOPE! I beleebe it.
>We're not a cell, we don't do anything and even I was confident in their courage to do something
No need, those SIEGE FAgs can take a flying leap FAC.
It's enough to start conversations amongst your peers about communities together,(5 families/households going in on 30 arces together and builing their own homes and businesses.
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