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The way I see it is that it is every citizens duty as Hitler described to take part and actively participate in our Nation. That being said I would rather shoot myself in the face than to let down a functioning NatSoc society. Why would we not simply remove him even if it cost us everything.  O/ Heil Victory

>>4232 (OP) 
His conclusion is retarded, the stupidity of the masses leads to a far longer lasting and far more insidious tyranny than that of a single "bad fuhrer" because of the false idea of the superiority of mass moral reasoning.
Never mind that the intention was to create a system that only allowed those men of the requisite character, nature and ability to rule into the position and it was not intended to have absolute power forever and as always if the government he created fell short of it's main purpose it was the duty of it's citizenry to rise and destroy it, read Mein Kampf and other National Socialist writings

>>4232 (OP) 
Im not a NatSoc nor a monarchist, but his argument is the same as for example a monarchy. In this case, if the ruler sucks, the people should be able to kill him. Tyrannicide. Meanwhile in a democracy, if you kill the ruler, it will be replaced by exactly another one that does the same thing, because in democracy, rulers nor people don't hold any power. Democracy is incompatible with liberty. This anon >>4234 is right.

>>4232 (OP) 
I'd rather all the power be vested in the hands of one guy you can string up if he does a bad job than a bunch of niggerkike bureaucrats. This is something Hitler talked about himself in Mein Kampf, actually. No one gets held accountable for shitty decisions in a democracy because no one is solely responsible. The voters just kick the can down the road another 4 or whatever years and maintain the illusion they have any real power.

>>4237
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>>4234
Most people are lemmings and when they think of an evil leader who needs to be killed: literally Hitler.
So these moral justifications on when to tyrannicide broadly speaking don't appeal to the majority of the public, neither do they share the same belief system as this minority of a place.

>>4243
Even assuming that we lived under NS, I doubt Hitler would have envisioned that, should a future Fuhrer prove to be incompetent or traitorous, the people should directly take up arms and dethrone him at once. Rather he would likely assert that the other parts of government would arrest and try that leader for crimes against the German people. 

Hitler believed in rule of law. As do almost all founders of political systems. Famously Thomas Jefferson advocated for rebellion in the case of corruption but I can't help but feel this is intellectually lazy. After all we see how that turned out - people were comfortable and did not rise against the corrupt feds because there was no leadership guide them into doing so. None of this is to say that a singular supreme leader is a bad idea but rather that a corrupt system and the necessary break from it is not something one can truly plan for when creating a government.

>>4254
The point notwithstanding is most normalfags earnestly believe you people are the bad guys, are the most evil leaders in history, and corrupt and should be strung up like at the Nuremberg Trials by their account.
Ask /leftypol/ or the West to be your judges and their verdict on what they would have done: or the German nobles within who conspired against Hitler and other discontents. 

>but I can't help but feel this is intellectually lazy.
It is intellectually lazy, imo, because do we honestly believe people are just waiting for the right moral reason to virtue signal and not rather to powergrab? 
And if we did speak of moral reasons, imagine what it would take to accomplish the goals of the kind of regime /fascist/ would want. To deport all the unwanted races alone would be enough to fuel the greatest propaganda campaign that whoever is doing this is a tyrant and the normalfags would go along with it.

Yes. I think we are driving at the same conclusion. The problem is in many ways bottom-up. Corruption in and of itself is a serious problem but it can only come about when a people - a nation - lack proper moral conviction and/or a will to power. Looking at the situation now it is much as you say: Whites are themselves half degenerated. They do not have the proper Master Morality and will to power.
Rehabilitating that Will to Power is the most necessary and difficult of tasks for our cause. It must take place simultaneous to the creation of a new order or all the effort is for naught.

>>4256
By the way, do not take this post as a criticism of Hitler or NS. Adolf Hitler accomplished
>Rehabilitating that Will to Power
With his speeches and leadership. It is part of why he was so extraordinary.
I don't think we can take the exact same route that he did for a multitude of reasons but it is nevertheless needed.

>>4257
Don't worry, the future leader Hitler spoke of to Heinz Linge, is out there, but I suspect nobody will see him until the comfort has been broken beyond repair, we don't have too long now, shit could break apart any day.

>>4258
It is difficult to be assured of such a thing. The majority of Whites seem to be either against their own racial survival or indifferent to it. Of those who would like to see racial survival, precious few are willing to do anything to actively work toward it. It feels like things are getting worse too gradually for that desperate fighting reflex to kick in. It is an abhorrent quagmire.

>>4233
That captcha is dang hard to solve.

>>4258
Huh. What is that? What's the source??? Why would that guy be already born? That's crazy talk.

>>4232 (OP) 
>Because what if its a bad fuehrer. 
1. Define what a "bad fuehrer" is supposed to be first.
2. How would that be substantially worse than what Jews already do?

>>4242
Nothing would prevent a democracy from having harsh rules for traitorous or incompetent leaders, but the same democracy if it were that moral would not be what we have today and so the chances of needing to have such rules would be very low. Yet, here's the paradox, by the time such rules would prove urgently necessary, the democracy would be in such a state of decomposure and corruption that even if such rules lingered somewhere in the law books, they would or could never be applied, fully or partially.
At which point you may agree that laws are just as good as the people who write and vote them. I've read and heard enough about how the justice is broken to know that there are rules, and then there are people who may or may not uphold said rules. Sometimes it's very easy to hide corruption under the face of a mistake, of incompetence. You know, an oopsie. A big enough oopsie that one's life gets completely ruined in courts.

>>10652
>Sometimes it's very easy to hide corruption under the face of a mistake, of incompetence. You know, an oopsie. A big enough oopsie that one's life gets completely ruined in courts.
This is why I can't stand the faggots who bring up Hanlon's Razor. It's such a bullshit copout.

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I think one thing that hasn't been successfully tried in the current millennium and might work this time with a deeper understanding of the previous failures adjusted to the times we live in now is to cultivate an ascended society without lemmings, where no one living in it can objectively be called a "normalfag" on any metric because they're just too informed culturally, intellectually, and maybe even spiritually on a plethora of fields and subjects and have had enough time to fully self reflect and develop their minds/spirits in this ideal society without bread and circuses. I know I'm not alone in this reasoning, one of National Alliance's main objectives was to have an accessible catalog of somewhat hard to obtain books, and William Luther Pierce would often stress the cruciality of education. Of course at the same time also practicing strict eugenics because genetics are the internal machine of all life that need to be maintained and improved upon in order to operate efficiently and harmoniously. Basically the solution to this paradox is to make a society where every man is an übermensch constantly striving to be a leader and puts immense value in freedom (real freedom, not freedom to become a slave to the senses), simplicity, and the burning drive to seek out the truth of everything in it's most unadulterated form. I honestly don't think it's as hard as it sounds to accomplish this because I'm confident this was the status quo before our era and it took a long time and a lot of effort through forced dysgenic systems and social engineering (but mostly dysgenic systems) to reach this level of mass unconscious and apathy. I'm pretty sure the specifics of how to get to this ideal society has already been documented in ancient texts, or subconsciously pulled from higher realms by philosophers like Julius Evola or Friedrich Nietzsche and so many other individuals.

>>10654
Galt's Gulch is never going to happen. Let it go.

>>10654
This requires a lot of work to achieve. First of all, creating a society that is capable of engineering this elite within the more normal population by selecting the better individuals is what our society normally achieves. We need dumbasses you know, for menial work. They accept their duty, get paid and have some vacations. The eugenics would be used to create this elite but the principle to follow here is that you always need to work to extract the best essence from the mass. This is what guarantees enough initial matter to work with and also provides a constant re-enrichment of the population because, again, there is a slot for every man in the whole social hierarchy.

>>10643
Let me guess. Is that the child pornography hidden behind a spoiler?

>>10660
Yes.

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>>10659
>This requires a lot of work to achieve. First of all, creating a society that is capable of engineering this elite within the more normal population by selecting the better individuals is what our society normally achieves. 
I forgot to acknowledge that yes, 30-40% of current lemmings are just excess fat that nature will take care of eventually without interference. Who I'm addressing are the 50-60% of lemmings who are more eugenic and have the potential to actuate a higher consciousness if it weren't for the relentless kike psyop campaign which is falling apart as we speak and it would be foolish not to take advantage of this breathing room.
>We need dumbasses you know, for menial work. They accept their duty, get paid and have some vacations.
>The eugenics would be used to create this elite but the principle to follow here is that you always need to work to extract the best essence from the mass. 
In this ideal world I'm proposing, there would be the same emphasis of devotion towards all labor (within reason) because when everyone is fully realizes their worth and learns to truly love their folk they can no longer afford to be sociologically checked out as people are today.
>This is what guarantees enough initial matter to work with and also provides a constant re-enrichment of the population because, again, there is a slot for every man in the whole social hierarchy
I'm not just proposing that The Overton Window should be shifted, I am also proposing that the gap should be bridged through encouraging intellectual, cultural, and spiritual development in the more eugenic and sensible group of lemmings/normalfags so that the distance between the common man and the noblest man is not that far apart which is a better society to live in because it would provide even more solidarity among the folk and a higher functioning society than the one you're proposing.