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Orlog, let me know if you want my shit moved elsewhere or as a new baked thread. For some reason, my effort posts keep ending up in your containment threads.

Re-posting a few of my rebuttals on the topic of ethno-weapons in the last thread before it died. A few typos were fixed, combined with the addition of symbols for clarification in the analogy for illustration purposes at the end.

One of several sources for the ethno-weapon (then labeled as an ethno-bomb in the news in the 1990's) by kikelandia: https://www.unz.com/pub/jhr__israel-is-developing-ethnic-bomb-for-growing-biological-weapons-arsenal/

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Getting tired of the obvious paid or volunteer interns spamming up /fascist/ for some reason, so let's just cut to the chase. I'll put it in bullet points for any new readers (although some oldfags will probably appreciate it here). 

- Largely, the goal is to develop bio-weapons which target the specific gene structures for each enemy race, while holding onto the weapons for certain races that are perhaps neutral (arguably, some East Asians fit into this category. There might be smaller ethnic groups I'm unaware of as well) as global deterrence.

- After the enemy (jeets, niggers, jews, spics [many spics have jewish DNA due to many of the early raping conquistadors that woke textbooks complain about, were in fact crypto-jews which Europe expelled]) is largely crippled and their population dying in large numbers, actual large-scaled covert and overt political organization can take place.

- Taken from the 23andme genetic leaks, we can analyze some potential candidates for gene sequences to examine. The full set exists elsewhere for further analysis, and enough time has passed so that this dataset has been spread all over the Internet. Here's a sample of it, only revealing some jewish celebrities and individuals in the database (please see the picrel). It's suggested to get your hands on your own full copy (plus future DNA company leaks in the future, as these can be reverse-engineered).

• The mutation DFNB1, which causes deafness, is found among both Ashkenazim and Palestinian Arabs.
• The mutation G2019S sometimes associated with Parkinson's Disease is found among both Ashkenazim and Arabs.
• I1307K, an allele that causes Colorectal Cancer, is found among Ashkenazim, Sephardim, and Arabs.
• The pemphigus MHC susceptibility gene is found among both Ashkenazim and Iranians.
• The 185delAG breast cancer mutation is found among both Ashkenazim and Moroccan Jews.
• A mutation causing Factor XI Deficiency is found among both Ashkenazim and Iraqi Jews
• all R1a-Y2619 Ashkenazi Levites are descended on their direct male lines from a single man (the R1a-Y2619 Ashkenazi Levite progenitor) who lived about 1,743 years ago
•  7.9% of the Ashkenazi population - about 300,000 men living today - are descended from the R1a-Y2619 Ashkenazi Levite progenitor on their direct male lines. R1a-Y2619 is one of the largest Y-DNA clusters - if not the largest Y-DNA cluster - among Ashkenazi Jews.

TL;DR: Take the known yDNA and mDNA about different racial groups (this information is known online, in leaked datasets now spread everywhere, and can be coaxed from even modern censored AI with the correct prompts), study unique weaknesses found in populations which share these haplogroups, genes, or gene mutations. Experiment with private AI analysis or expert analysis on how these weaknesses can be exploited, build clandestine and cheap labs to test out said knowledge, if a golden ticket is found, spread said knowledge to the world digitally. Assume other cells will replicate this knowledge and these weapons. ????. Profit.

Boom. There you go. No more honey pots, no more paid jeet interns, no more kikebots shitting up quality content threads on obscure imageboards. By the way, niggers and jeets and other racial groups have their own medical genetic info spread out for decades to likewise exploit. There's not any real fear of this knowledge getting leaked, since most of the other races are too stupid to build or design such weapons, while jews share too much European DNA due to their mongrel nature to fully exploit it against Europeans. By contrast, jews have extremely specific genetic makeup which can be used against them without much concern for backfiring. I'd even go as far as to say that jews have an active mission to destroy anyone who tries building European-specific ethno-weapons, precisely because it'd kill so many of their own ashkenazi elite).

I personally suggest weaponizing in this order:
1) jews (this will take care of a chunk of the spic and sandnigger problem simultaneously due to interbreeding)
2) jeets (has overlap with some nigger DNA solutions, such as the prevalence of the sickle cell but their medical genetics are well-studied)
3) sandniggers (might be difficult to get a one-size fits all solution, since they are very mixed)
4) niggers (pretty easy)
5) spics
6) asians last (although this one might be difficult, as I'm not aware of how different each of the asian subracial groups are, it is entirely outside my field of knowledge plus it seems they are the least likely to be groups we'd want to actually deploy weapons for with the exception of the chinks)


>>15632
>In fact, it dramatically assists you since doing so could
>1. Provide you with more funding
>2. Allow us to take power after bio-weapons wipe out enemy races.
Yes, and as you likely recall, I fully ceded these to you. However, my post was more about what can be done right now which is novel, can be done independently, and is undeniably something greatly effective if carried out while precisely taking a giant shit on glownigger attempts to derail, invite to honeypots, distract, and demoralize with miseryporn flooding like they've stepped up here in the last two weeks seemingly out off the blue. Even in pieces, frens and anons can do this type of work to study potential solutions before passing them on before an effective framework is carried out physically. This for example, is already being done in pharmacology to guess the likely effect and use of drug pharmokinetics based on their structure alone before ever producing them in a lab; I see no reason why anons and frens can't do this with provided genomic data already here and now on the Net, both leaked and publically available (plenty of archived medical genetic studies out there for example), nevermind ones in the future once more of these ancestry kike companies get hacked. There's guides for private off-line AI tools that do this type of work, as an aid, nevermind the collective intelligence of anons doing the legwork themselves as both amateurs and professionals working together.

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>>15644
Remember, if you ask anons to seriously denounce the kike manual along with the chain of other statements, the most important part is demanding (and providing) a clear chain of sources or images which anyone can read and will be convinced that kikes are bad. Feds and jeet shills alike can say 'gas the kikes' all day long, but it's an entirely different matter to get a supervisor to authorize you posting hard statistical sources of vast child rape reports in jewish communities, clear sourced passages from real talmuds, nuclear arsenal reports combined with proving that kikeland's nuclear program is illegal combined with educating readers on the samson option, etc.

The point is to have it be clearly something reproduceable in a court of law, which a judge will have to read and recognize outloud, and which every glownigger will likewise be forced to do. Glowniggers and shills here and elsewhere tried pulling the whole 'you seriously think they'd bother with you or this level of autism on random imageboards?' until being forced to see the court FBI reports in picrels doing precisely that repeatedly on 8chan and elsewhere. They always fuck off after that.

>>15632
>You counter by saying that we're not genetically distinct enough for them to be sure. This works both ways. 
I did forget to address this point: I did mention a further counter-point to your own counter-point here, but do not believe it was illustrated correctly in past posts. I will amend that right now.

In an extremely simplified form, my counter-argument to your own counter-argument (or raised concern) can be addressed like so: Racial Group A has 97-100% genes in common, while Racial Group B likewise has 97-100% genes in common, and so on. Let's say Racial Group N has 32% of Racial Group A's (unique) genes, while close to 68% of its majority (unique) genes are from Racial Group B. Racial Group K might for example have 10% of Racial Group D's genetic make-up, 28% of E's, 5% of B's, 50% of Group A's, but also has a stand-out 20% of its own which is not found in any other existing groups. The point then, would be to devise weapons for that 20% unique to Group K and/or Racial Group B, which would also affect Racial Group N.

If you are following so far, substitute B with african (100% African), N with the 'africans' (or blacks) in Western countries such as the United States which are of mixed heritage, or K with jews and this analogy makes more sense in a realistic application. The analogy isn't quite exact, since Group K in this example has such a widely ranging array of samples from different Groups in real life, combined with goyim converts such as Donald Trump or others obviously having actual genes only related to Group A, but you can see why it's largely correct since in fact many of Group K do possess a set of unique stand-out genes no matter how much it varies in a range of something like 5-48% as is the case with real jews.

Finally, from the case I've shown here, I think you can see why devising weapons against Group A would be extremely dangerous to Group K even if done correctly (Group A → Group K), while Group A devising weapons for Group K does not affect Group A if done correctly by only focusing on genes particular to Group K (Group K !→ Group A). Also similar with B and N (Group B → Group N, while Group N !→ Group B), you can see why weapons against B will do serious damage to N as well.

>>15651
That's my explanation for why kikes haven't deployed any weapons: weapons against Palestinians and other sandniggers (proven to be a project since the late last century) in general would wipe out a majority of their own lower and middle class population, while European weapons would wipe out their elites.

Again this is a very simplified model, as in contrast to real life, there are things such as jeets having about 5% of their population having the sickle cell trait. If you devise a weapon against the sickle cell trait, it might be very devastating to most african populations, mixed and non-mixed, but would only do (at best) damage to something like 5% of the jeet global population since not even 10% possess it.

Although hypothetically taking out 90-99% of africans *and* 5% of jeets would be a welcome addition, it still would require solutions specific to south asians to address the other 95%.

>>15665
I only deleted your last post to redo the thread image, as I deleted the thread not knowing you had posted in it. sorry about that.

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>>15665
Forgot my other picrels.

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>>15665
Polite sage. Re-pasting some older abbreviated posts, to provide context for new readers and to refresh the memory of anons on these topics. 

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>>14424
I will do my best to address your question about above ground vs underground. For now, repeating my stance that above ground movements have repeatedly failed (and will continue to fail) as long as enemies are at our doorstep, which they are. Australia's NSN was a very recent example of this strategy, movementarianism (marching, voting, etc.) failing over night despite checking every box imaginable. The Golden Dawn is another in Greece. I'm not against above ground in the future, but they cannot exist now, which requires the underground and the methods I urge you all to consider. My main concern is showing all of you why the above ground is not feasible (with clear direct evidence from many countries), rather than pointing to examples of the underground working at this time which a lot of you are demanding me to do. As said before, a lot of what I am stressing by its very existence does not offer clear examples to point to. By analogy here, I am suggesting the arquebus to invest in as a brand new technology in an era of blades and pikemen and calvary, while you ask of me to give you clear-cut examples of firearms winning wars on an international or national scale. 

>>14426
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8836344/
Many israelis are allergic, while the native palestinians are not, precisely because the former are outsiders. Nature itself recognizes them as foreigners. If this is the case with a purely accidental, natural phenomenon, imagine how it can be augmented if done by design and engineering.
>What plants affect niggers but not Whites?
I don't have as clear an example for niggers. I will look into it more. 

>>14429
>There's been nothing better than guns and bombs.
This is patent nonsense. There are biological weapons far more potent than these. Hell, even natural disease and plague were far more dangerous than the weapons you suggest in all of human history, and those were not engineered or designed. The problem is that most (and likely almost all) known biological weapons affect EVERYONE, which is why they're not employed outside of selective use of them on specific populations (poisoning water with lithium, estrogenic compounds in our water and food, plastics, COVID vaccinations and quite possibly COVID itself, etc.)

>There is a world of difference between posing as victims as they did to legitimize their attacks, and deploying illegal genetic weapons on entire populations.
The israelis were openly developing these genetic weapons in the 1990's. It's not conspiracy whacko nonsense. I can cite you this if you wish, like my PubMed article. They clearly did not continue development or they developed them and did not release them, which are extremely odd for such a genocidal species and nation. Clearly, something made them very hesitant, which is where my conjecture comes from that they realized it'd wipe out significant portions of their own leadership and armed forces.

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I should add as a note for clarification of terminology: genetic, ecological, and biological warfare / weapons / phenomenon are all three distinct, but there is significant overlap. I will give examples as best I can to illustrate them both separately and in conjunction.

- Biological phenomena:
1) Black Plague
2) Small Pox
3) Diseases inherent from things such as corpses, contamination, etc.
4) Diseases unintentionally carried over by sea or air, leading to flu and influenza as seen in North America's history with the natives

- Biological warfare
1) Ancient Assyrians catapulting dead bodies into cities during sieges, in addition to contaminating water supplies leading back into the city being besieged, intentionally spreading disease by use of biological phenomena (overlap example)
2) Modern engineered ticks and mosquitoes to spread disease (ecological overlap)
3) COVID-19 vaccinations to inoculate specific populations with biological means, leading to genetic mutations (genetic warfare overlap)
4) Intentionally releasing rats or species infected with plague (overlap with natural biological phenomena, some ecological)
5) Poisoning water and food (seen with microplastics, SSRI's, lithium, etc., in North Americana and elsewhere)

- Ecological
1) Invasive species accidentally carried over, destroying local flora and fauna (overlap with ecological)
2) Trees, plants, and animals naturally being allergic to foreign populations (benign examples are allergies which people with second or third homes often have when away from home, not acclimatized to the local environment; the israeli-palestinian olive tree example is another)
3) Invasive species intentionally brought over or engineered (overlap with biological warfare and phenomena, such as the case with ticks and mosquitoes developed by the U.S. government; honey bees dying in recent years; asian beetles and bugs destroying trees and plants in North America as an invasive species from China possibly by design and intent)
4) Seed-bombing and other species used for select targets, which a focus on not spreading beyond target areas

- Genetic warfare
1) Introduction of individuals with bad genes, into a population to destroy it (hence referring to shitskins as bio-weapons). Seen since ancient times, but clear example with Great Replacement / Kalergi plan.
2) Targeted genetic weapons (COVID itself, separate from the vaccinations. Jewish populations were some of the least affected. Europeans were some of the most affected. This is likely no accident).
3) Broad-scale genetic engineering and tampering with humans (COVID vaccinations).
4) Combined methods (see above: engineered species such as ticks, released as an ecological weapon, which spread disease, which triggers epigenetic issues).

As you can see, all can be separated, overlap, and be combined which is why my answers seem to move around a lot for different issues and questions raised. I advise investing in all of them.



The way forward that I see, realistically, is in this order:

1) Clandestine ecological warfare first (green bombing techniques, refinement over time plus selection of plants and trees for distribution / planting en masse which *naturally* inflict allergies on foreign populations, requiring little engineering). Spread of this knowledge. Underground.
2) Refinement and study of ecological means; study of genetic vulnerabilities in different races. Theory and development of clandestine genetic weapons from research. Underground.
3) Release of clandestine genetic weapons, ideally combined with proven ecological methods. Further research of how to make them lethal. Above ground political movements being planned.
4) Seeding and release of lethal variants to reclaim territories. Analysis of success. Move forward to push public-facing movements.
5) Assuming success and capture of major territories, along with defensive seeding and proliferation in the country side / friendly territories, push to develop and greatly expand public movements.
6) Public movements in power. Assuming major successes and takeover. Continue development of lethal to mass-scale. Apply offensively, taking new territory. Transition from national to international.
7) Ideal final outcome: refine mass development and release of selective weapons everywhere, leaving no land or country for adversaries to flee to. All hospitable lands and waters have combination ecological-biological fine-tuned on a genetic level released.

I've skipped a lot of steps here, but you can see how conventional politics and warfare takes place between 3 and 7. This is where I'd defer to the expertise of many good anons in our camp. However, I see the methods I stress as irreplaceable to get you started in the early stages, and unavoidable for an ultimate world-view victory in the end stages as well.

Fascinating stuff! Your work is admirably thorough, Biowarfareanon. I had the same broad idea in mind, just with a different application. Admittedly my own stab at this line of  research was far more amateurish, but I made some interesting discoveries of my own. That said, I keep running into the same big hurdles.

1) Timing. Even if we develop a 100% reliable pathogen that kills only selected ethnic groups with 100% certainty, if its spread is limited to one area, even if it's a large region, it runs the risk of burning itself out before it can spread to the whole world, or being quarantined. The moment its impact becomes visible, its effectiveness is on a timer.
2) Insufficient reach. Even if we do manage to kill a great number of kikes, it's unlikely (unless seeded in specific ways) that we might be able to hit the top kikes. Not to mention, there's still plenty of shabbos goyim who will be unaffected, and thus cannot be disposed of with this ethnically-tailored pathogen.
3) Backfire potential. As Orlog mentioned, the possibility that it mutates and begins affecting us as well is a concern. 

Any attempt at biowarfare should solve those problems first, or I fear its impact will be tragically limited compared to the damage it could do if properly applied. All in all, I think if we employ biological warfare we only have one shot at it, so we have to make it count.

As a final note, while I admire your thoroughness and your planning skills, I think putting all our eggs in one basket is a mistake. I'm of the belief that war against the System must be undertaken with any means at our disposal, according to each revolutionary's individual capabilities. Guns and bombs have their place, as do bioweapons, as does cyberwarfare, as does espionage. I'd be elated to work alongside you though, if we ever meet.

JEWS JEWS JEWS JEWS JEWS

>>15676
>1) Timing. Even if we develop a 100% reliable pathogen that kills only selected ethnic groups with 100% certainty, if its spread is limited to one area, even if it's a large region, it runs the risk of burning itself out before it can spread to the whole world, or being quarantined. The moment its impact becomes visible, its effectiveness is on a timer.
Perhaps, yes. You make good points. However, I think it'd be very useful in its early stages even as a limited-reach weapon. Besides all that, I was really hoping to have it run parallel with the ecology projects.
>2) Insufficient reach. Even if we do manage to kill a great number of kikes, it's unlikely (unless seeded in specific ways) that we might be able to hit the top kikes. Not to mention, there's still plenty of shabbos goyim who will be unaffected, and thus cannot be disposed of with this ethnically-tailored pathogen.
I agree with you here, for the most part. I do however think the clearing out (and prevention) of all non-Europeans is the sort of fighting chance needed in a geographical area, even if it leaves a lot of immune shabbos alive. This has strong psychological value, besides the number of competent shabbos goyim getting progressively harder to find; this seems to me to be the very tactical high-ground needed for the conventional and unconventional means you and others wish to pursue (and which I also agree inevitably need to be pursued).
>3) Backfire potential. As Orlog mentioned, the possibility that it mutates and begins affecting us as well is a concern.
The benefit of this line of research (and with the specific ecological sister branches I've suggested) is that I do not really see that happening, as it's not an all-purpose weapon to begin with. Meme all-purpose bioweapons in prior decades which the media fearmongered about and played up, such as anthrax, most definitely can backfire -- along with many types of ecological weapons. I personally see us as out of time or I'd never suggest such paths to begin with, but even accounting for my own impatience, this seems more conservative by design. If the ecological-genetic weapon route is pursued more firmly instead of the biological-genetic weapon route,  this might be the sort of safety handguards you are looking for. An example of the former would be something like olive trees (already triggering mild reactions) which were modified to trigger extreme allergic reactions to the point of death or something similar -- these would already be field-tested and proven 'safe' towards the native population. The latter might take the form of something like an airborne agent or mold, which was modified (or found to already negatively affect) different racial groups, but might run the risk of mutating on its own.

>Any attempt at biowarfare should solve those problems first, or I fear its impact will be tragically limited compared to the damage it could do if properly applied. All in all, I think if we employ biological warfare we only have one shot at it, so we have to make it count.
Yes. And I do expect these different routes (genetic, biological, ecological, combination, etc.) to have unexpected successes and some complete dead-ends, especially if anons are collectively collaborating on this in a decentralized manner.

>Guns and bombs have their place, as do bioweapons, as does cyberwarfare, as does espionage. 
No doubt, and I will never disagree.

>I'd be elated to work alongside you though, if we ever meet.
I'm missing the sort of land and space and resources to test some of these things, along with peers to double-check my work, but my hope is that others with those things will get the chance to see the fruit born from such labour which I will likely never get to see myself due to OPSEC and logistics. However, that's good enough for me if competent anons such as yourself succeed and perfect what I can only open the door for.

The working class are more moral than rich people. I mean think about it. Most of the people bringing in a gorillion immigrants are rich company owners who are bringing them in for cheapness alone. Most of them live far more comfortable lives than the average man and thus maybe they do not truly care for the problems caused by the immigrants.
The working class has in recent years been the main supporters of nationalist "far-right" or whatever parties which has caused the supposed left socialists to fail as they fall into cultural Marxist subverted progressivism.
Idk if this really is an unpopular opinion.

>>15679
The only reason the working class cares is because it affects them directly. If America still had segregation for example I think most of the white population would go quietly until we were 20-30%

Rich people are just as insane as poor people but at least they dress better and are more superficially polite. Anything is better than living around homeless drug addicts and they're all white. I don't really care if they're "victims" of the Sacklers either

I wonder if fascism would be more successful if it didnt care about race so much. Make it about "citizenship" or something.

>>15680
>Anything is better than living around homeless drug addicts and they're all white. I don't really care if they're "victims" of the Sacklers either
Kill yourself kike.

>>15681
It's because of the "citizenship" bullshit that we're in this abysmal situation. Civnats get the rope too.

>>15682
Well, the problem is that citizenship has turned into a bureaucratic phrase for certain taxation and voting status. The old meaning of citizenship, and being and acting like a citizen, had meaning. But it could work as a better public word, instead of fascism etc.

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>>15679
>The working class has in recent years been the main supporters of nationalist "far-right" or whatever parties which has caused the supposed left socialists to fail as they fall into cultural Marxist subverted progressivism.
It's no secret that for all their touted solidarity with the working class, the left fucking hates (White) blue collar workers with vitriolic spite. Not a single leftist has ever had an actual job, dig a little and you'll see they've always been spoiled rich fucks who never worked in their lives.

>>15681
Citizenship ceases to matter, if the race is not preserved, since almost no civilization other than European ones are worth living under.

>>15686
I am thinking of citizenship as an expression of the standards and expectations of a Western man.

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>>15687
Can you explain further? I'm genuinely confused on what you meant, since fascism without ethno-centricism just turns into civic nationalism, like everything else deprived of ethno-centricism including theocracies / theocratic nationalism.

If you meant marketing or propaganda-wise, it still doesn't work to not focus on race, since your enemies just label you le heckin' racist nazi, and you're right back in the same boat even if you genuinely just wanted a functional government and society which coincidentally fit 1990's sitcom ethnic demographics in Western countries without an ounce of fascism, fighting, killing, or race politics.

>>15682
No. Some homeless drug addicts can be saved, maybe 20%. But the rest choose that life because they're too traumatized to fix or genetically antisocial. Physical removal will be necessary. And yes, there are homeless niggers and illegals, but most of the bad ones end up in jail. Homeless white meth heads though are everywhere. They steal everything and litter almost as much as jeets.

>>15688
I think we are looking at this through two completely different lenses. You are viewing this through the lens of modern political theory and identity politics—where everything is reduced to race, power dynamics, and state mechanisms. I am looking at it through the lens of history, human flourishing, and the actual spirit of Western civilization. When I talk about citizenship as the high expression of a people, I am talking about virtue, duty, and excellence. In the Western tradition, to be a citizen wasn’t just a passport or a tax bracket; it was a moral calling to be a custodian of a specific way of life, actively practicing the virtues like personal responsibility, reason, and the rule of law that made the culture great in the first place.

This perspective transcends both the sterile legal contract of "civic nationalism" and the biological reductionism of "ethno-nationalism" by focusing instead on cultural excellence. The average person doesn't want to live in a hyper-politicized battlefield where every conversation is reduced to race or fascism, nor do they want to be treated as mere economic units who just pay taxes and vote. People want to live in a functional, beautiful, and stable society, and they naturally long for meaning. By framing citizenship as a shared cultural inheritance, we offer people a grand story to participate in, giving them a standard of excellence to strive for in their daily lives, their families, and their communities.

Ultimately, this is a far better and more appealing way of living because it creates organic stability from the inside out. A society is truly stable when its people share a deep, internal moral fabric and a genuine pride in their heritage—not when they are simply forced to coexist by laws or segregated by identity politics. You don't get a stable Western society just by having a good tax code or by hyper-focusing on demographics. You get it by revitalizing the cultural virtues that built the West, and citizenship, in its highest sense, is simply the daily practice of those virtues.

And by West, I mean White, of course.

>>15691
>But the rest choose that life because they're too traumatized to fix or genetically antisocial. 
And who did the traumas / made society so irredeemably shit that even a normie life inflicts severe stress and mental instability in The Current Year of Our Lord 2015+11?

Not defending hardcore drug addicts, have plenty of reason to liquidate them myself from firsthand experience after seeing how irredeemable they are. I'm practically an anti-social social hermit myself, due to the incessant organized judaism inflicted on my entire country, the globe, my race, and every realm of life since before I was born but was made undeniable since the year 2020 which has impacted everything.

>>15692
>This perspective transcends both the sterile legal contract of "civic nationalism" and the biological reductionism of "ethno-nationalism" by focusing instead on cultural excellence
I (and we, meaning most actual educated fascists or ultranationalists or actual right-wingers), don't have a 'biological reductionism' of race (and by extension ethno-nationalism) to begin with, though. A core tenet is to match your ethnicity on the inside (meaning mentally, ethically, and spiritually) as well as the exterior (meaning genetics and biology). That's what it means to be Aryan, unironically, in the genuine National Socialist / Fascist / ultra-right-wing sense: it's to be a pure ethnic European, who does not behave like a nigger, but instead a noble member of their race exactly like the best of the ancient West in character, spirit, creed, and lifestyle (as far as one can do so, within their means). It doesn't take much effort to see this, using extremes: is the European woman (or man) who prostitutes themselves to foreign dick in any way the sort of behavior of someone who is internally European or Aryan? Of course not. This is actually a fundamental reason why homosexuality is attacked so much in our community, despite a particular homosexual being genetically European or even 'based' in their outlook and words.

I (and we) don't give a shit about our race, so much as we give a shit about members of our race who are looking out for our own race or have the potential to do so such as children or the unborn or the uneducated. Respectfully, I think your lack of attention to this is from a lack of education on the matter, rather than any fault with fascism (or adjacent philosophies).

Seriously, go through the reading list on fashfront.st; ignore the community, and simply read the compiled best selections from actual right-wing people on there. You will find that there's a rich, long history of providing exactly what you believe to be absent in ethnic Europeans who are part of this movement (or again, attached in the periphery).

>>15605
>Its leadership, such as Gerry Adams, were frequently arrested, detained, and continuously monitored.
This is not something we could afford. A leader has the brain and the vision, he has prime information on the network and as he surrounded himself with the best, his capture is terrible for the network. He must be protected, even if it means switching to the non-legal side. That's also why the surface aspect of the organization is always walking on eggs and must surround itself with advocates and be ready to play dirty and use subterfugre and pressure against agents of ZOG such as politicians, technocrats, judges, journalists. Slander will come our way anyway, there's no point believing otherwise.
>Should meaning morally? Yes. In an ideal world, no one should be killed especially children.
In an ideal world, there would be only Whites or almost, and nothing remotely close to Jews. But this world doesn't exist.
The other points are noted and agreed upon.

Is the subversive moron saying we should fight against White Nationalists and help the Jews still in the room?

>>15727
Who was saying that? because nobody involved in that argument was saying that, one was very clearly stating that if "White Nationalists" had an issue with actual National Socialist revolutionaries doing what must be done they would be traitors by definition and considering how the majority of "White Nationalists" act these days any such revolutionary would be turned in, to the jews and jew-controlled governments, very quickly, by said "White Nationalists" so who are you talking about?

>>15729
I skimmed the last two dozen replies in the former thread and that's definitely what was being argued by the two bickering anons, the daycare fag one and the SIEGE one, whether it was the fruit of dishonesty or a misunderstanding or else. You can find this around >>15401 and while there seemed to be a strawmaning going on with
>I will wage a civil war (against White nationalists) even as Zog still lives
which was modified sentence from the former post, the other anon didn't object to it. And then Jews, and ZOG, etc.

Current White Nationalists may do stupid or lame things because the leaders are rather mediocre, but they're the only ones doing at thing at all on the other hand. On purely theoretical grounds, a White Nationalist fights for the White nation, where nation stands as a people united by origins, blood and culture. WNs getting a bad rep these days is just another unfortunate side effects of the current times. I tire of seeing White Nationalism being given such a bad reputation from within our ranks. There is no cohesion, no proper leadership. All we have are figures running on resources we cannot trace back to their donors and that is it. We don't even have one single relatively White nation with, say, its own hidden power group that could be used to obtain funds to prop up new organizations in countries in dire need of such structures. What is there? The White drug cartels in the US? The eclipsed Third Reich crumbs in Europe? Even if there were compatible potentialities in Eastern Europe I feel there's no racial network there at all. Everything needs to be built up before we go anywhere. I wish we had a real White Triad for example. Do we?

>>15606
>If National Socialism means helping jews slaughter the opponents of jews, then I am not a National Socialist.
National Socialism states that Jews are the enemies of the Aryan Germans and Whites to a greater extent, as Jews are the enemy, forever.

>>15613
An obvious tool to keep up our sleeves but this is utterly premature. I can feel why you need to say such things openly but that's really bread and butter of the inner NS circles and other groups likeminded. IOW, don't worry.

>>15615
Obvious fed post but just in case, a clarification.
>Interesting you see the Jews as a potential ally on that front
This is not what that anon said. Quote the litigious part or shut the fuck up.

>>15621
>Is this thread here with us now? no?
I saved such a thread. I think it was put on an archive or screen captured. Nevertheless I know this thread existed and it delved deeply into the difference between the IRA and the PIRA and explained how far the actions of the latter went, including bombing cases. It was an appreciated effort post as far as I'm concerned.
>what you did on 8chan isn't even fucking remotely relevant to any discussion you might have unless you actually posted it's content and sources, and even then your commentary is almost utterly worthless.
What anon did was likely believe too hard that the post would remain forever. I too posted over there, now countless words lost in the silence.
<I've witnessed the death of a thousand forums and boards, the extinction of a million worlds, the last breathe of entire galaxies. For those, I say, no one is ever prepared.
But let's put an end to the bickering then.
Let's have a proper comparison of IRA vs PIRA, documented and all that. Pros and cons.
>You cock-gobble PIRA and Sinn Fein like they weren't traitors to the IRA cause, like they didn't become naught but another tool of the British government.
Funny thing because I remembered that it was the IRA that got utterly wormed by the Britbong government but maybe I got my mem notes wrong.
>Gerry Adams... Sinn Fein
If anything this is the proof that capture is not acceptable. Such people can be turned against their own comrades. On another note, we're yet to see Robinson have any kind of ties to an underground army that could organize bombing events against governments assets on a foreign territory.
Regarding SF, we all know they abandoned the cause and that's because they simply didn't grab power and maintain it. But let's be honest, if that had happened back then, Ireland would have soon or later been invaded by England and the US, reduced to being Afghanistan but with more potatoes.
>If I were to choose to target a daycare center hypothetically, (when I have never stated to do so nor advocated doing so, I have only claimed that killing my enemies children is morally right) then I would be sure to pick one that is either entirely non-White or if none could be found, one that is majority non-White, we will go with the second in this following hypothetical. I would gladly kill these imaginary children both white and not to teach people that fraternization and comradery with non whites is anathema and should be punished with death it would also serve to demoralize the likely leftist or moronic conservacuck parents and teach them that letting little Arya and Theo be around niggers is not a good thing. If White Nationalist have an issue with this, they can choose to shut up, or choose to be traitors.
This is where I would draw the line because that's stupid. Our mission would be to evac all White children first and foremost and then, and ONLY then, perhaps, bomb the whole thing.
>Natural Law
It says to do what is best for our people, to preserve it and its sanity. Killing enemy children is, if needed, totally acceptable. Done on a case by case basis, if only to avoid assigning resources to tertiary operations. Civilians can be a liability too for the enemy so sometimes keeping civilians alive but brutalizing them to the point of troops being used for civilian support is a good option.
>We are living under an oppressive regime that seeks to destroy our people down to the last man and the only strategy that doesn't get most of us killed, or swept up and put in jail, is the one where we don't operate in organizations with names
This debate is stuck between two aspects: on one side the necessity to gather the resources to be able to create a powerful network from scratch; on the other hand, the unavoidable fact that a nameless underground hitting arm is just as necessary to get moving, with the added factor that it will certainly be free to act in ways that any other organization couldn't.
>Nobody claimed that it was spontaneous, the book you keep shitting on, while never bothering to read, directly says to form something locally, if you can, and it explicitly says to do one of 2 things: Total Dropout: as in cutting the system out of your life to the extent that it is possible. or Total Attack: as in go fucking wild with the boys and destroy things that underpin the systems power and control, do not claim you did it, do not tell anyone who was not directly involved what you have done, and many more methods to avoid being caught most of which are still relevant 40 years after it was written, it has never, and will never, provide a method to organize if the system goes down, most of that is common sense or stated so many oither places it's inclusion would be redundant, it's only goal is to tell us the way to most effectively bring the system, that we cannot defeat militarily, to ashes. it tell you how to do this without getting caught, not everyone will to be able to escape the system or it's enforcers but that's just how life works.
Sounds like a power fantasy, as always. Your "boys" will be so few that you'll get nowhere. If anything, your source acts as if there were a thousand cells all acting magically coherently at the meta level like some national army without yet having a thousandth of the organized network and logistics to support that.
Meanwhile nobody cites Lane who talked about that much more intelligently than any of you, and if you truly needed fictions you'd be able to look into Pierce's books, starting with Turner Diaries, and Covington's NTI series, starting with The Brigade.
>The point is not to defeat the System, it is to weaken it at every opportunity from within, wearing it down until it shatters on it's own, while either outwardly appearing as harmless, or to leech from the system to the utmost while cutting yourself out of it.
You understand nothing about the human psyche. People always want to gather into great institutions. We are social beings, we want to be with people who think and live like us. We always want to belong to things that are greater than us. That's why an organization is of the utmost necessity and that's why cells magically forming here and there won't work until there's something and something to lay a blueprint and organize things without necessarily micro-managing the shit down to the last fighter.
>THE CELLS ARE NOT SPONTANEOUS, THEY ARE TO BE DELIBERATELY FORMED BY EACH MAN WHO READS SIEGE, BY EVERY TRUE NATIONAL SOCIALIST, IF IT IS POSSIBLE TO DO SO, IF NOT, YOU CAN STILL OPERATE ALONE, IT JUST ISN'T EASY, OR THE SMARTEST THING TO DO.
Considering how long this book has existed, it doesn't seem to have had the effect you wish it had. It would only become acceptable if the book were given respectful letters and almost treated as an official treaty of asymmetrical war. Meaning it would need to be backed by an authority that people would look up to in order to decide if the book is correct or not. Which brings us back to the need for this authority. That's why you have religions, kingdoms, armies. People behave like children and they need their daddy to tell them what is right and what isn't. Assuming Siege could be cleansed of all the mockery that surrounds it and truly taken seriously, it would still need to be validated so to speak by some group or someone. As it is for now it's just an obscure book floating heedless in a sea of noise.

>>15622
>it took Anthony Fauci 40 years to create and accidentally release Covid19 which did almost nothing, and is now an endemic cold of sorts.
>accidentally
Holy fuck. Please stop. There's nothing accidental about this global psyops. It was just as prepared and even announced as 9/11, with the same usual clues painted ahead and all over it.

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>>15725
The boys in Aus seem to be trying their hardest to keep Hugo clean since he's the one funding their operation. I think his family owns real estate and is worth hundreds of millions. He's not the leader per se but he could run for politics even if Thomas and Joel stay in jail for awhile
>>15731
You can't organize on the basis of "whiteness" because it's implicitly Anglo and the American population is mostly off-whites / nons. White nationalism unironically looks like Kike Pence and his army of Zionist Jews desperately trying to shore up WASP power against the masses of low-IQ slaves the WASPs themselves imported. White nationalism is deporting Palestinian protesters but allowing subhuman Muslim niggers to run around raping Irish girls in the working class neighborhoods. Because the Muslim niggers are the only ones desperate enough to work for the slave wages the self-appointed Calvinist elect WASPs are willing to pay. The whole country is rotten to the core. I hope Iran and Russia win

>>15732
>Assuming Siege could be cleansed of all the mockery that surrounds it and truly taken seriously, it would still need to be validated so to speak by some group or someone. As it is for now it's just an obscure book floating heedless in a sea of noise.
I'm baffled there's people still advocating to 'read SIEGE'. It was novel at the time because it already accepted that Rockwell's era of movementarianism had failed (and the time for it would not work past that era due to demographic change). It then introduced accelerationism, which would itself more properly evolve into being labeled as futurism. However, SIEGE is not like Mein Kampf or even Covington's works -- there's no real further details to be gleaned from it. Mason wisely says to stay away from himself, as he's under monitoring, and it's implied he was doing the best he could to drop a canary in the inevitable event he'd be forced to go informant / honeypot future nationalists to avoid prison and be able to eat.

IM, FF, and FF (and predecessor forums) already distilled the best of SIEGE into memes and bullet points. Real accelerationists and futurists, now, are well beyond SIEGE besides. There's no camp I can think of who'd still advocate for it other than chum which will end up in some fed honeypot shitskin O9A / ToB / Satanist meatgrinder either accidentally or as a lure to others gullible enough to do so.

>>15739
>There's no camp I can think of who'd still advocate for it other than chum which will end up in some fed honeypot shitskin O9A / ToB / Satanist meatgrinder So you mean like this place or Fashfront?

>>15741
Haven't seen a hint of that here, funny enough. Gets nipped in the bud immediately here, since all eyes are on discussions with the open format. Might happen with private exchanges on FF, but the admins there are pretty quick to gas even active members if there's any hint of that talk since it was that crew which killed AWD and IM last time around.

>>15731
>I skimmed.......
That's the problem, the argument started due to the derad faggot using the bible as an example of how bad jews are morally, and took objection to that they'd kill their enemies children except the girls suitable as breeding sows, and also objected to how christniggers don't care about it, he found the slaughter of children wrong at its core, no matter the perspective, I objected to that and and he promptly brought out brought out his Derad ScriptBook™ again which revealed who he was and so it went from there 
>which was modified sentence from the former post, the other anon didn't object to it. And then Jews, and ZOG, etc.
the fact that it was modified and straw-manned should tell you about the truth of the claim, I told him clearly what would necessitate that and it was White Nationalists, who apparently need articles to remind them to avoid "based blacks", opposing me, in the hypothetical, doing what must be done, pure, plain, and simple. With them being against National Socialism, which most of those who claim that label are.
>Current White Nationalists may do stupid or lame things because the leaders are rather mediocre, but they're the only ones doing at thing at all on the other hand.
And instead of I don't know actually putting in the effort to learn why men like Pierce and Rockwell and Lane and so on were National Socialists and not "White Nationalists" these retards do what, they cling to their likely incoherent conceptions of racism, nationalism etc., and believe we can remove the shitskins, of all stripes, peacefully by taking control of a government, or governments to do so. Ones that have been designed and bent towards wiping out any inkling of NS thought for 70 years, through electoral politics. Oh and also while supporting ,and allowing, such shit as "WN feminism" to exist.
If you seriously think these fucking subversives who exist mostly to suppress National Socialists, and thus true revolutionary thought and action, are worth something, you might be more deluded than they are.
>On purely theoretical grounds, ...
They can't even manage to do that now, what makes you think more than even 1 in 1000 of them is even recoverable, let alone made into any kind of fighting force.
>WNs getting a bad rep these days...
It's not a side effect it's literally only happening because outside of a few places left nobody who runs or manages a NS space keeps them out of their discussions, I spent a few days literally driving niggerfugees from frenschan, when it went down, off the board to keep it how it always has been, the threads are still there. 
>There is no cohesion, no proper leadership...
By design, both from the system and because those who could lead properly have either read what's necessary to realize what has to be done, and like me are trying to make sure that continues to be the case and that we lose as few people who could be useful as possible to the Meat-Grinder Nationalism of shit like Sinn Fein and Patriot Front.
>Even if there were compatible potentialities in Eastern Europe I feel there's no racial network there at all...
If there was, they're probably spent by now, either as soldiers or mercenaries considering Volodymyr Zelensky isn't dead and replaced with an NS leader, or at least Military.
It doesn't matter what exists now, if any orgs manage to manage to survive the systems implosion I'll be greatly surprised since naming themselves and allowing federal infiltration and control has definitely painted targets on their backs, and that's if they didn't do it already by committing crimes against their local community that don't serve to destroy the system, like the many supposed NS gangs that exist from here to there across the country

>>15732
>I saved such a thread.
Okay, then provide it or shut up about it, if I could see it, maybe it'd have been relevant, but I can't, so it's not.
>Let's have a proper comparison of IRA vs PIRA, documented and all that. Pros and cons.
It's not really relevant for me, I don't give a fuck who did what where and how I care only where they ended,
The IRA was moderately successful but couldn't finish the goal and it should be noted they didn't cut PIRA and SInn Fein out of meddling with Irish politics, considering they either no longer exist or are no better than Sinn Fein/PIRA I consider the IRA ultimately a failure after a good amount of success, PIRA/SF on the other hand, don't seem to have done anything remotely successful since their inception, they didn't prevent the furtherance of, or independence from Britain, they didn't keep shitskins out, or anything we could look at beside modeling their outward discipline, for yet another worthless organization, sure maybe we could learn how to bomb people but an Anarchists Cookbook serves just as well, and yes I know there are better books than that.
>Funny thing because I remembered that it was the IRA that got utterly wormed by the Britbong government but maybe I got my mem notes wrong.
Maybe so, but that was AFTER accomplishing at least half of what they set out to do, and through an actual war against the Brits, what did PIRA accomplish in comparison? not much from what I can recall but I may be wrong.
>If anything this is the proof that capture is not acceptable.
Capture, of some, is inevitable, but of course should be kept to an absolute minimum.
>we're yet to see Robinson have any kind of ties to an underground army that could organize bombing events against governments assets on a foreign territory.
He has literal, direct ties to Mossad, and he seems to be a jew himself. in fact, one of his known besties/employees at his retarded journalism outlet is the former Israeli Defense Forces "Defender Of Australia™" Avi Yemeni.
>But let's be honest, if that had happened back then, Ireland would have soon or later been invaded by England and the US, reduced to being Afghanistan but with more potatoes.
I find it highly unlikely that America would have gotten involved, or that that would have happened, but sure it's possible.
>This is where I would draw the line because that's stupid. Our mission would be to evac all White children first and foremost and then, and ONLY then, perhaps, bomb the whole thing.
It isn't stupid, it's a daycare, it'll have kids from babies on up to 10 or so, and you'll note it's been done before, OKC ring a bell? Just because they might be innocent doesn't mean you waste your time, and risk the freedom and lives of actually active and useful men saving them especially if you're going to return them to their likely leftist parents afterward, it makes no sense tactically, ideologically, or in any other way to do so, and in the event you aren't returning them, why the fuck are you going to waste resources raising kids that don't belong to your community and would always be a risk of turncoats later on down the line.
>It says to do what is best for our people, to preserve it and its sanity. 
No it says to preserve it and guide it top the best way it survives if losing our races, "sanity" (whatever in the fuck that is beyond a tool to suppress and oppress us) is the cost to survive and thrive even that must go.
>Killing enemy children is, if needed, totally acceptable. 
It is absolutely necessary, and must be done to the last shitskin on the planet or this will happen again.
>Done on a case by case basis, if only to avoid assigning resources to tertiary operations. 
It should be done in all cases, without fail, they already mercilessly and unceremoniously murder our peoples children, it is illogical and idiotic not to do the same.
>Civilians can be a liability too for the enemy so sometimes keeping civilians alive but brutalizing them to the point of troops being used for civilian support is a good option.
If civilians must be saved best not to put them anywhere you're going to need to be free of traitors.
>This debate is stuck between two aspects: on one side the necessity to gather the resources to be able to create a powerful network from scratch; on the other hand, the unavoidable fact that a nameless underground hitting arm is just as necessary to get moving, with the added factor that it will certainly be free to act in ways that any other organization couldn't.
No it's only stuck on his part, named organizations can do nothing but fail or become tools of the enemy, we have seen this demonstrated repeatedly over the last 81 years, The only moderately successful groups after Rockwell's death were the National Alliance, and the Silent Brotherhood, and had the Brotherhood not trusted CI niggers, they might have avoided the feds, and what happened to Mathews.
>Sounds like a power fantasy, as always. Your "boys" will be so few that you'll get nowhere.
No that's you straw-manning shit, the point of Siege is that at the time they were written you had plenty of people in groups/gangs that were mostly for defense of their communities from groups like the Black Panthers, such as Metzger's groups under WAR and Tomassi's group, and so on, who had actual NS leading them, one model was to be like the Manson Family in structure, but with the guide being Hitler. Mein Kampf, etc. Outside the system, like roving bands taking what you need wherever you can, this was unlikely so there were several other models provided within the compiled newsletters.
The only real problem with it is that from the first page you are presumed to be a proper National Socialist, with a correct understanding of the ideology and how to make sure purity in ideology remains as you move forward, as provided by many figures starting with Hitler and the editors of Mein Kampf, and it was this presumption that failed, many who've read it or claimed to do so, didn't have the proper understanding of NS, nor the mindset necessary to follow what must be done. A prime example is AWD who failed utterly because they first, named themselves, and second didn't exclude Abrahamic religions, or allowed diluted ideology to make it's way into a given cell, and so on.
>Meanwhile nobody cites Lane who talked about that much more intelligently than any of you,
Siege is not fiction it was a critical of the movement at large newsletter written by Mason and published by I think, first, what remained of Rockwell's group and it's publishing arm. 
The Brigade series depicts allowing women to fight and have jobs like they do in the modern world, this is a dumb idea and one of the first things we'll have to deal with. and I've already read several of Pierce's books(Who We Are chief among them) as well as many of his essays, and listened to a buttload of the radio shows, the Turner diaries being completely unnecessary, because I don't think Pierce put much effort into it.
>You understand nothing about the human psyche. People always want to gather into great institutions. We are social beings, we want to be with people who think and live like us.
I understand that perfectly, that's part of why Siege is correct in what we must do, in order to survive and destroy the system we need to deny part of our nature, that base need to belong to something bigger. Being technical, it provides that with being a National Socialist, if that isn't enough for you, you need to reevaluate. That need is how our enemies have manipulated us, and are even now using it against us to kill US before they do more than pester the lemmings of our race
>that's why cells magically forming here and there won't work until there's something and something to lay a blueprint and organize things without necessarily micro-managing the shit down to the last fighter.
I guarantee you whole cells already exist, the only matter is finding them and organizing them once the system is broken beyond repair,, until then the system is doing damage to itself and the more we contribute, in whatever way, that isn't joining MGN groups the faster we weaken and destroy it. The only guides one should need are the 88 precepts, the 2 sets of the 14 words, Mein Kampf and Siege, all else can be saved and preserved and learned later or as you go along.
>Considering how long this book has existed, it doesn't seem to have had the effect you wish it had. 
I couldn't know even if I wanted to, if someone is following what's inside Siege, they would never tell anyone they couldn't trust absolutely.
>It would only become acceptable if the book were given respectful letters and almost treated as an official treaty of asymmetrical war.
IT should be, but MGN fucks refuse to consider it, and suppress all revolutionary action within their reach because they're too dumb to read it or understand it if they did, and they're ultimately cowards and also the fact idiots turned it into memes. which sure got some of the ideas out there, but bastardized nearly everything there is about it. The best infographics were made by Iron March, and I don't even think that should have been done either, because in eschewing detail you lose the essence of things. You allow morons to take what's ours, bastardize it further, and then spread their idiocy even further.
>Holy fuck. Please stop. There's nothing accidental about this global psyops. 
That part was sarcastic, intentional or not, it really doesn't change anything, it was released and is now endemic.

>>15746
>MGN
What's what stand for again?

>>15748
Meat Grinder Nationalism

>>15746
>and in the event you aren't returning them, why the fuck are you going to waste resources raising kids that don't belong to your community and would always be a risk of turncoats later on down the line.
Bit apocryphal, take it or leave it, but there's accounts of South American military juntas taking the kids off commie couples and having them adopted by either peripheral members of the regime or people otherwise aligned with the regime's values. Supposedly these kids for the most part grew up with their adoptive parents' values and never would've guessed they were the children of commie subversives until they were told so decades after the regimes had fallen.

>>15751
I am aware but those are in a place more racially confused than anywhere except perhaps china, so popping kids into a random family isn't likely to cause many issues. The simple fact is we aren't likely to be in a position to do that and it greatly depends on the ages of children and it still wouldn't be a tactically smart move, unless one were going to kidnap every child and sort out the ones to kill later, which just brings hosts more questions that it would be easier and smarter not to deal with unless we have to.

>>15746
This, I think, is why direct actions by Breivik, Tarrant, et al are an important pillar of our campaign against the System. Notice how every stripe of fossil conservative and MGN (great term by the way, I'm stealing it from now on) advocates doing EVERYTHING BUT direct action. When someone like Breivik, Tarrant and other saints do their thing and the effects in the aftermath are clear beyond a doubt no matter how much media spin is invested in the matter, both conservatives and MGN find themselves in the unenviable position of praising the saints for their deeds and risking federal attention, or cucking out (be it by silence or by condemning the saint's actions) and revealing themselves as the hypocrites, cowards, and political prostitutes they are. Not one of those cockroaches will risk upending the donation gravy train much less going to jail, and therein lies the evidence of their vile nature, because these vultures are false saviors, they peddle false hope to desperate and anguished White people only to exploit them, lead them astray, and abandon them when the going gets tough, all while their nations and peoples are bleeding to death. On top of the obvious targets for direct actions, I'd say decapitation strikes against these snake oil salesmen and fake leaders are in order, so we can consolidate and monopolize oppositional discourse to ZOG without the clutter of movementarian cunts muddling the waters and poaching recruitable young White men from us. Besides, Spic Fuentes and Mr. Implicit are irritating beyond belief, I'd be glad to live in a world where I never have to put up with their and their ilk's grating, meandering bleating.

>>15753
>Notice how every stripe of fossil conservative and MGN (great term by the way, I'm stealing it from now on) advocates doing EVERYTHING BUT direct action. When someone like Breivik, Tarrant and other saints do their thing and the effects in the aftermath are clear beyond a doubt no matter how much media spin is invested in the matter, both conservatives and MGN find themselves in the unenviable position of praising the saints for their deeds and risking federal attention, or cucking out (be it by silence or by condemning the saint's actions) and revealing themselves as the hypocrites, cowards, and political prostitutes they are.
FF already addressed this, which is why I do not view them as a honeypot (they even tell you to only view the site or post there under the assumption it will be inevitably hacked and user info leaked in the future): the answer was to say that the saints are viewed as an inevitable force of nature in a fundamentally fucked up mentally-ill contemporary society while recognizing that negative discussion of them is inevitably seen as weakness / derad attempts (both true). The answer is to praise people who actually do things (such as Bob Matthews, who is an obvious case of a completely sane and moral man who did something that 99.9% of humanity will recognize as a technically terrorist act). Praise them, but do not formally encourage, in other words. WLP praised Matthews himself, despite viewing Matthews as extremist himself even by his own standards. This is what should be the rule across the board. FF's collective writings and literature is invaluable on solving these questions, even if the public-facing community is quite shit on the day to day.

>>15754
That leaves a sour taste in my mouth, it's a, for lack of a more elegant term, cucked way of thinking. Commies, goat fuckers, zionists, they all praise their extremists and butchers and shout down any criticism of them. We're the only ones who wring our hands and post disclaimers like frightened old women. We're never going to get anywhere if we're this timid and scared of looking like meanies.

>>15756
I'm not aware of any part of my post saying to not praise them. In fact, I said to praise them.
>Praise them, but do not formally encourage, in other words. WLP praised Matthews himself, despite viewing Matthews as extremist himself even by his own standards.

>>15754
Don't thank me for the term, It's in Siege, one of the reasons I recommend everyone to read it. it took him over a decade to write all those newsletters and he formed a critique of the movement that remains accurate even now. the Satanist/O9A/ToB bullshit it's associated with was(since The American Futurist so kindly revealed ToB's leader/founder is a federal informant as was the O9A founder for Mi5/6) I believe a government oop to turn people away from the sound advice within the book as it started to spread on the internet last decade thanks to Iron March and I'm sure in so small way to 4chan and 8chan, etc.. I don't know if Mason coined it or not, but I do know it is the most accurate descriptor of how every nationalist group I've ever come across does things, even the ones that are more tolerable for our side than posers like Patriot Front.
>>15757
I believe he was talking about what you were describing that the MGN's do, not about what you said or thought about it

>>15761
>I believe he was talking about what you were describing that the MGN's do, not about what you said or thought about it
Aren't MGN's a tool of the enemy to begin with, according to Mason (and your) use of the word? Why would we care about what they do? And how would we even impact well-manufactured and funded pseudo-groups of the enemy spawned from intelligence agencies anyways?

'Commies, goat fuckers, and zionists' don't have well-funded, multi-national and international governments, mega-corporations, NGO's, and mass media inventing fake versions of them out of thin air to make a strawman and public boogeyman to destroy or demoralize others with; we do.

>>15762
>Aren't MGN's a tool of the enemy to begin with, according to Mason (and your) use of the word?
Yes and no, they may not have begun that way, but seemingly without fail they go that way.
>Why would we care about what they do?
I simply express that I believed he was expressing sorrow as to how the MGN's behave, I can say nothing beyond that, I certainly don't give a fuck until they bring their baggage and failed bullshit here.
> And how would we even impact well-manufactured and funded pseudo-groups of the enemy spawned from intelligence agencies anyways?
Beyond killing them? very few ways and most of them people are already doing.

>>15762
>'Commies, goat fuckers, and zionists' don't have well-funded, multi-national and international governments, mega-corporations, NGO's, and mass media inventing fake versions of them out of thin air to make a strawman and public boogeyman to destroy or demoralize others with; we do.
Yeah, this is true. Going on the defensive is a loser's strategy. If we have to constantly put out disclaimers and praise with asterisks and whatnot we're gonna end up looking like a bunch of wimps afraid of being called names.

Here's the thing about optics. The only optics that matter are the optics of strength, everything else is womanly gossip and worrying about such things is idiotic. The main (perhaps only) reason ZOG's paid mouths keep mocking us, calling us incels, losers, closet faggots, hypocritical race mixers, sexually impotent dorks envious of "the African Bvlls's potency" or what have you and whatever other vile trash is because they're confident we won't retaliate. The only reason they keep slinging mud on us as psychotic murderers engaging in senseless carnage and murdering sixty gorillion innocent Jewish babies and toddlers of color (while running pity party narratives for tranny psychopaths that literally murdered children) is because they're confident we'll shrink in fear and immediately run to the mic to debunk this malicious narrative because we're good little boys and would never do any mean stuff. If we routinely kill journalists, streamers, and other media vermin who brazenly laugh at us and mock us, that will dry up pretty fast (because they're worthless cowards afraid of suffering consequences for their actions.) If we hold onto our nerve and remain silent when news of a false flag start circulating instead of immediately pissing our pants and bawling that we'd never ever do such a thing (nobody's listening) then those attacks also lose power. Kill media vermin anyway, the spew of propaganda filth will trickle to nothing and the only propaganda that will remain is the propaganda of the deed, the only one that matters decisively.

>>15738
>You can't organize on the basis of "whiteness" because it's implicitly Anglo and the American population is mostly off-whites / nons. White nationalism unironically looks like Kike Pence and his army of Zionist Jews desperately trying to shore up WASP power against the masses of low-IQ slaves the WASPs themselves imported. White nationalism is deporting Palestinian protesters but allowing subhuman Muslim niggers to run around raping Irish girls in the working class neighborhoods. Because the Muslim niggers are the only ones desperate enough to work for the slave wages the self-appointed Calvinist elect WASPs are willing to pay. The whole country is rotten to the core. I hope Iran and Russia win
*yawn*
White Nationalism is legitimate. It just needs good representatives and better leaders. But all we get is Fuentes and Lowe in the anglo world, and other bits of worse shit in other parts like Asstraila and Yurop. I don't have a hundredth of their presumably well entrenched network, nor even their social or oratory skills.

>>15746
>the fact that it was modified and straw-manned should tell you about the truth of the claim
But the anon replying to it, perhaps you then, didn't object to this alteration, so it seemed to be accepted and reflect the anon's true position, as condensed from all his former exchanges.
>And instead of I don't know actually putting in the effort to learn why men like Pierce and Rockwell and Lane and so on were National Socialists and not "White Nationalists"
This is only true for Rockwell. Pierce definitely evolved the formula and I never saw one line from Lane rebuking White Nationalism while he regretted very briefly that the former nationalisms were still too tainted by territorial and cultural grudges.
>If you seriously think these fucking subversives who exist mostly to suppress National Socialists, and thus true revolutionary thought and action, are worth something, you might be more deluded than they are.
I told you what I think of them. They act like they're extreme and edgy but the core of their spirit isn't that politically and morally sharp.
>They can't even manage to do that now, what makes you think more than even 1 in 1000 of them is even recoverable, let alone made into any kind of fighting force.
They need to be recycled into something greater and better.
>I spent a few days literally driving niggerfugees from frenschan
There's a lot that could be said of this defunct place and we always go back to the issue of the quality of those in charge. A chan is also highly dependant on its moderators because of the anonymous nature of posters and how bans can't really work, while bots can't be kept away by a combination of PoW and captchas.
>If there was, they're probably spent by now, either as soldiers or mercenaries considering Volodymyr Zelensky isn't dead and replaced with an NS leader, or at least Military.
If you imply that there were true NS cells there, I have to disagree. Not when your leaders are Jewish.
>survive the systems implosion
So you're betting on a collapse?

>>15746
>I spent a few days literally driving niggerfugees from frenschan, when it went down, off the board to keep it how it always has been, the threads are still there. 
As a heads-up, on the topic of FC, you're probably going to have to be fighting off rapefugees from kiwifarms and OC both over the next two weeks. OC was the purported successor of FC, but the owner apparently got compromised and they did a recent hard shift to full-bore 'libertarianism' out of the blue after being third positionist for a year and a half since it started. I've been seeing hemmorraged posters drifting here on different boards already from there.

>>15746
>It's not really relevant for me, I don't give a fuck who did what where and how I care only where they ended,
That is not the way to go. It's like not paying attention to National Socialism because Germany was defeated so that much prove something! *wink wink*
The failure or progressive corruption doesn't reduce the value of the good portions of the positions and acts of these groups.
>He has literal, direct ties to Mossad, and he seems to be a jew himself. in fact, one of his known besties/employees at his retarded journalism outlet is the former Israeli Defense Forces "Defender Of Australia™" Avi Yemeni.
The question implied good ties. It was rhetorical. Of course Golemson is an asset. He even had a rabbi next to him in a parade many years ago.
>I find it highly unlikely that America would have gotten involved, or that that would have happened, but sure it's possible.
It would be easy I think. Use the Irish population in the US to claim they're brewing grounds for hyper-nationalist infiltrators, roll out the usual false flag, bomb some UK embassy on US soil, etc. UK would be doing the same and call for help against the potato-nadzees.
>It isn't stupid, it's a daycare, it'll have kids from babies on up to 10 or so, and you'll note it's been done before, OKC ring a bell?
We are talking about children being targeted here, so what does the Oklahoma City bombing of 1995 have anything to with that?
I will simply not bomb to ashes a place full of White children just because there are nigglets in there too. That's the most stupid thing to do and the surest way to rob us from support from our own very side.
>Just because they might be innocent doesn't mean you waste your time, and risk the freedom and lives of actually active and useful men saving them especially if you're going to return them to their likely leftist parents afterward, it makes no sense tactically, ideologically, or in any other way to do so, and in the event you aren't returning them, why the fuck are you going to waste resources raising kids that don't belong to your community and would always be a risk of turncoats later on down the line.
That you don't know. The White kids, we can take care of them later. They're malleable. They are children so they're a far away from ever becoming an issue anyway. What you can do is force the White parents to pull their children out of this place, whether they like it or not, by threatening and eventually using low intensity attacks on the building that don't risk the lives of the kids, while publicly casting a clear message, that this only happens because of the co-existence of Whites and non-Whites in that place and that the White children must be taken elsewhere immediately. At the very least warn them. The parents may be dumb but some of them will probably be the kind to need a strong push to feel morally right in their heads to do what's morally wrong according to the national rules and medias. Besides many are hypocrites, the "I'm not racist but" kind that would rather put their children in White schools only.
Anyway, bombing daycare buildings full of children is waaaay down the list of priorities, especially if, to reuse your argument, our resources would be limited, as they would be better used on far more important targets. You do sound like either one big glownigger or some extremo LARPer, I don't know, but what I know is that if the lives of White children could easily be spared yet I'd find your pushing for those acts of wanton destruction at the cost of their lives in my group, I'd make sure you'd meet your maker and have you feed worms in some forest.
>No it says to preserve it and guide it top the best way it survives if losing our races, "sanity" (whatever in the fuck that is beyond a tool to suppress and oppress us) is the cost to survive and thrive even that must go.
No. There is no point becoming a caricature of our people. Jews would be all too happy to have us exterminate our own as an acceptable toll.
>It is absolutely necessary, and must be done to the last shitskin on the planet or this will happen again.
OK Mr Ethnoglobe, there are certainly many ways to do that which will be talked about much later on, when we will have hopefully regained full control of our destiny and power, but we're a long way from it.
>It should be done in all cases, without fail, they already mercilessly and unceremoniously murder our peoples children, it is illogical and idiotic not to do the same.
As said, they're tertiary targets and, worse, if there are White children in those places, then other methods will have to be used. Sorry.
>No it's only stuck on his part, named organizations can do nothing but fail or become tools of the enemy, we have seen this demonstrated repeatedly over the last 81 years, The only moderately successful groups after Rockwell's death were the National Alliance, and the Silent Brotherhood, and had the Brotherhood not trusted CI niggers, they might have avoided the feds, and what happened to Mathews.
Could you actually care being coherent? National Alliance was an open and legal organization. It's the highest any pro-White radical organization ever went in the US while keeping its hands clean, but a lack of plan B made sure that the departure of Pierce was the end of it.
As for the Br.Sch., if they had not relied on CI people they would have not existed at all. They're only a relevant example insofar as their honor, resolve and bravery remains unmatched, and Matthews' final showdown against fed pigs is pure stuff of legend, but their methods truly were catastrophic, their talent being utterly wasted. A wrong reading of the political situation of their time is what screwed them. Don't get me wrong, I really dig them, but their plan was senseless when they should have instead been playing the long game, no matter how grating it would have been on their nerves.
>No that's you straw-manning shit, the point of Siege is that at the time they were written you had plenty of people in groups/gangs that were mostly for defense of their communities from groups like the Black Panthers, such as Metzger's groups under WAR and Tomassi's group, and so on, who had actual NS leading them, one model was to be like the Manson Family in structure, but with the guide being Hitler. Mein Kampf, etc. Outside the system, like roving bands taking what you need wherever you can, this was unlikely so there were several other models provided within the compiled newsletters.
Sure, priceless coming from the guy who says in the same post:
>It's not really relevant for me, I don't give a fuck who did what where and how I care only where they ended
You're saying that when the conditions were better to have those groups form, the mass blossoming didn't really happen and in the end the few that existed went belly up. Why should we pay any attention to them according to your logic then?
>A prime example is AWD who failed utterly because they first, named themselves
All groups name themselves. What kind of silly logic is it that you lose the moment you have a name? Please be serious.
>Siege marines and stuff
Look, even with all that, all the resources, the remnants from other groups or organizations, with supposedly one big book to use as a point of reference, a light in the darkness, it failed. You can't cut it. You need an organization that defines objectives and limits. The good news? We have nearly all that we could ever need now, short of the concrete resources and the network. Everything else? It's all refined. We have all the examples we need, all the evidence, all the potential that stretches across an entire globe, ocean to ocean. We have the doctrine, the clarity of a vision that covers all from race to science and theology. We know the failures of those who came first, we see where they succeeded.
> the Turner diaries being completely unnecessary, because I don't think Pierce put much effort into it.
They are useful to start a discussion on what seemed likely and doable and what would obviously fail.
>I understand that perfectly, that's part of why Siege is correct in what we must do, in order to survive and destroy the system we need to deny part of our nature, that base need to belong to something bigger. Being technical, it provides that with being a National Socialist, if that isn't enough for you, you need to reevaluate. That need is how our enemies have manipulated us, and are even now using it against us to kill US before they do more than pester the lemmings of our race
All groups, even paramilitaries, operate as organizations which you join and fit in. It may suck but that's the way it goes with humans. Eventually if it prevails it may give an idea or two to people who feel like starting their micro-cells on their own, but at least the model will be defined by a recognizable organization with clear tenets and a vision, so the cells still have a feeling of belonging to a greater whole where the actions of the few, no matter how isolated they feel, combine more efficiently into a greater work at a larger scale. It will draw people in and be an inspiration for all, even more when people will speak of these prowesses. It will not only prove that it can be done but that the real racial war has begun. But for now we're reaching the critical mass. Everyone can feel it, Jews know it, we're getting there. The pressure is increasing, so the Jews, stupid as they are, can only hope to contain it by increasing the constraints. But it will blow up like a super-volcano, blasting everything in its way, spewing thick torrents of intense burning hatred that nothing under their waning power will be able to contain. Soon the age of the Jews will be over as we will make sure it never gets a chance to show up ever again.
>I guarantee you whole cells already exist, the only matter is finding them and organizing them once the system is broken beyond repair
Wishful thinking. You don't know that and I have no interest in made up inactive groups. You even admit that they need to be organized, which won't be done without the network and authority I speak of, otherwise they would already be active and causing much trouble. They're either too few, too feeble, too misinformed or under-equipped to do anything right now.
The System might look like it's about to trip over itself but it's still very powerful and vicious and it will easily crush those very few isolated groups that can only count on themselves and their very limited area of influence. For example they couldn't benefit from assets sent to them from another state, they couldn't benefit from a lawyer to protect whoever might get caught, they can't have access to people of a network to give them some training or better intelligence information, they cannot even be easily relocated into other distant territorial placeholders that the network would keep open to preserve essential members and avoid them being caught, because of mistakes and a routine they'd become victims of by operating the same way in the same place.
>I couldn't know even if I wanted to, if someone is following what's inside Siege, they would never tell anyone they couldn't trust absolutely.
You would have definitely heard of their operations on TV by now.
>IT should be, but MGN fucks refuse to consider it, and suppress all revolutionary action within their reach because they're too dumb to read it or understand it if they did, and they're ultimately cowards and also the fact idiots turned it into memes. which sure got some of the ideas out there, but bastardized nearly everything there is about it. The best infographics were made by Iron March, and I don't even think that should have been done either, because in eschewing detail you lose the essence of things. You allow morons to take what's ours, bastardize it further, and then spread their idiocy even further.
Which is the proof that the work needs to be done anew, according to the decisions of a would-be council of people who are serious about it. I think that right now we are in the age of the synthesis. Just like we're about to establish an underground yet official church of some kind that purports to cover all the angles.

>>15775
Tbf I thought that OC was really a piss poor version of FC. At least FC seemed to have a plan, with boards, a library, and a damn good layout at that. OC felt like we rewinded everything back and barely looked any better than the lamest active version of 8.

>>15762
>'Commies, goat fuckers, and zionists' don't have well-funded, multi-national and international governments, mega-corporations, NGO's, and mass media inventing fake versions of them out of thin air to make a strawman and public boogeyman to destroy or demoralize others with; we do.
Zionism is simply the one most well founded international power in the entire West.
Do you even know what Z stands for in ZOG?

>>15754
>FF already addressed this, which is why I do not view them as a honeypot (they even tell you to only view the site or post there under the assumption it will be inevitably hacked and user info leaked in the future): the answer was to say that the saints are viewed as an inevitable force of nature in a fundamentally fucked up mentally-ill contemporary society while recognizing that negative discussion of them is inevitably seen as weakness / derad attempts (both true). 
No, that's not true. They were dupes used by a radicalizing network needing them to furnish the Jewish agenda with convenient excuses.
>The answer is to praise people who actually do things (such as Bob Matthews, who is an obvious case of a completely sane and moral man who did something that 99.9% of humanity will recognize as a technically terrorist act).
His heroism was noble. His operation was pointless and pure suicide. But at least his message and convictions were absolutely clear and without taint of manipulation, on point and full of truth. We couldn't say the same about those "saints" at all.

>>15753
The Zionist saint shilling, as strong as ever. Always the same false dilemma: do some stupid action or don't do anything. Aren't you ever tired of repeating the same script? Are you feds already hitting the bottom of your reserves of autists to groom into shooters now?

>>15778
That's why purported was used, you silly goose.
>>15779
That's exactly the context and meaning of that sentence, you silly goose.
>>15780
Saying 'nuh-uh' doesn't change what FF and IM arrived at the conclusion of, after heavy debate over the matter with how to publically respond, you silly goose.
>His heroism was noble. His operation was pointless and pure suicide. But at least his message and convictions were absolutely clear and without taint of manipulation, on point and full of truth. We couldn't say the same about those "saints" at all.
Irrelevant, as already stated and shown why.
>>15781
Killing is based. I can give you the address for the top ultra-secret headquarters for us omega WASP terrorists if you want, plus times and names.

>>15784
>That's why purported was used, you silly goose.
Does that make my point wrong? No.
>That's exactly the context and meaning of that sentence, you silly goose.
Use proper punctuation next time.
>point on Matthews
>Irrelevant, as already stated and shown why.
No it is not irrelevant and you never explained why it's irrelevant. At best a moron associated his name to Brenton "I won't name the Jews" Tarrant and Zionist Breivik back in 2022 of the first iteration of that thread.
>Killing is based. 
When done with intelligence. If right now you pick a rifle and go shoot some road cops and kill two of them and wound a third one, what will be thy great accomplishment?

>>15772
>But the anon replying to it, perhaps you then, didn't object to this alteration
Because it was ridiculous, and smacked not only of strawmanning but literal twisting of my point in the opposite direction.
>This is only true for Rockwell.
No, it's true for all three, Pierce never failed to make sure that people knew he was a National Socialist, and Lane said much the same in many of his writings besides the 88 precepts directly calls for one to hold people who take action for our race in the highest esteem, he would spit in the faces of everyone who said anything negative about Brevik, Tarrant et al.
>I told you what I think of them.
>They need to be recycled into something greater and better.
They are not worth spending the time to recycle.
>There's a lot that could be said of this defunct place and we always go back to the issue of the quality of those in charge.
This place is no less active That /fascist/ has been in any of it's prior iterations.
>If you imply that there were true NS cells there, I have to disagree. Not when your leaders are Jewish.
I think there were, not many, certainly not enough to prevent eitherRussia or the West from interfering in their elections and I seriously doubt they still exist after all the conscription and death on both sides.
>So you're betting on a collapse?
I am stating that a collapse must happen for us to do what needs to be done, it is inevitable, and i don't really care if you like what will happen during a collapse or not, this is what Hitler said we must do if the system cannot be overcome in any other way, and every other way has been made impossible by the system.